1 hour in and this pod is legendary! Joel trying to take down Dehls with him will be an all timer. Dehls clearly was skeptical early this year but went with his heart. Joel was in the bridge when he hit the iceberg!
1:34:40 - "Not sold when eagles play from behind" - injuries. They're getting Jordan Davis back soon. They just added Suh and Linval Jordan to the roster. Helped tremendously on Sunday.
as a lions fan i get the same feeling from herbert as i did stafford. talent wise hes one of the best but when you live and die by your qb saving you every game more times than not it wont result in wins.
The Jets failure to tank the 2020 season is the biggest fumbling of the bag EVER. I remember like it was yesterday everyone was talking about Lawrence to the Jets and how he wouldn't want to play there. Won the most meanless game ever vs the Rams and everyone in the world was shocked.
@@eazymb. I have no favorite out of that class, but judging a QB in their first few years with no help is a bad idea. Look at Geno. Look at how Rodgers started.
Love how people fault Jalen’s passing ability losing against the commanders when he was almost perfect in the fourth quarter passing. PLEASE watch that quarter again lol jesus christ
I think y’all need to revisit that St.Brown take of being better then Higgins . Higgins is a #1 wr on most teams , he would be like a Keenan Allen type
I love how as a jets fan, the 1 year we aren’t in the top 5 of the draft. joe burrow, herbert and tua were drafted. As of right now they all clear zach🥲
Swap Tua and Herbert, the dolphins are Superbowl contenders instantly. I'm curious how Tua will play in the playoffs considering the great moments he had in college
As a Washington fan I was hoping for a bigger segment. If we sweep the giants which I think we do because of their injuries this past week. We will make the playoffs. 49ers obviously the better team. BUT we can minimize their run game and make jimmy G beat us. Will Watson have the rust off? And Dallas week 18 I’ll be there. At home against Dak who has never lost to Washington. I hope it doesn’t come down to that game
why are we acting like JJ is not like 50 yards behind tyreek, all while having more tds lmao.Any player in the history of the vikings are automatically slept on
A top 3 quarterback not making the playoffs ever? If Lamar didn’t make the playoffs for the first three seasons of his career, they’d be asking for him to be replaced.
idk why he’s acting like Goff didn’t have an MVP caliber season as well, i agree Tua has been great this year but i think it’s also fair to want to see him the second half of the season keep it up against better defenses. Both sides can be right lol
Joe Douglas let the QB pundits convince him that Zach Wilson is better than Justin Fields. Could def lose his job for that despite doing everything else well.
1:37:12 - The cowgirls are like Jekyll and Hyde. They need to be more consistent for me to trust them. They just had a stinker against piss poor Packers.
@@kyj060792 i mean Darnold went for a second lol, Josh Rosen went for one as well. He was the second overall pick, i’m sure some team will believe they can fix his issues and he’s still young enough that it’s not impossible a change of scenery helps him
Ya the only things hurts messed up on was that blindside fumble( Watkins was open over the middle deep ) and that 3rd down right before they went for it on 4th n 10 brown was wide open
The number 1 reason why the cowboys are contenders is because of how weak the NFC is. In reality we know Dak isn’t gonna rise but the roster could carry us with how bad the NFC is
we aren’t sad, he was a high risk high reward prospect that just didn’t work out. We have our backcourt of the future with Cade + Ivey, some of y’all just can’t move on lmao
@@fireestyle don’t say we. Say YOU. Any wasted lottery pick is SADDENING. Yes we hit jackpot wit Cade and Jaden but killian was supposed to still transform into a good piece regardless. He’s our 2020s Stanley Johnson lmfao
@@Tjb313 it was the covid year where everything was uncertain. Guys drafted over him like Wiseman, Patrick Williams and Isaac Okoro have all been just as bad. The number 7 pick rarely turns out to be a great player, at that point the “safe” high upside players have already been drafted and more times than not you have to decide on good players who have perceived low ceilings (Tyrese Halliburton in this case) or complete mysteries like Killian who you hope is just scratching the surface. No one’s arguing he was a good pick but to still be stuck on our backup guard 3 years after we drafted him is insane bruh lol
@@Tjb313 because hes not even a starter on our team.... you can talk about him no one saying hes absolved of criticism but to say how sad we are when part of the reason we have Cade has to do with not taking Hali lmao. get over it, he wasnt the right pick but no point being stuck crying over a backup guard who has no future as a starter here barring a huge improvement this year... its weird as hell. i literally named 3 other players that were drafted before him who have been equally disappointing yet youre upset still over a pick made in 2020 and not happy we have our backcourt for the forseeable future. its the same with jeff okudah, he was never the right pick at 3 but theres nothing we can do to change it but hope he continues to be a good player for us.
Rivers got flack for missing the postseason entirely too much. It will be the same for Herbert unfortunately. The perception will be he’s a good regular season QB who you will never have success with when it comes to the post season.
You may have been right about the Vikings being frauds but that game was not on Kirk. He held the ball a little too long in the first quarter but after that the OLINE WAS ASS. The few times he had time back there he threw some dots. Hate on the team but don’t act like this is all on him. Also Kirk is having one of his worst statistical years yet he’s one of the clutchest QBs
Yeah you should never use highlights to see how good a player is it can give you a idea but, highlights can very deceiving. As a pats fan happy for the win but I was high on Zach out of his class and yeah he still has issues I thought he can get out of but so far not good.
Good news Joel is you have a really good young roster, so if Zach doesn’t pan out (which at this point it’s looking like no) you just need to be aggressive with a trade up or a vet QB. As a bears fan, Fields is looking like a guy (passing game will get better, he was drafted for his passing ability) but everything around him is shit and one draft class and free agency won’t get the roster to the jets level.
The pass that Herbert gets is crazy. Let that had been Wentz who threw that INT to end the game and y’all would’ve talked bad about him. Herbert isn’t that guy. Talent will only get you so far.
@@superduperdebegoat4042 so he’s the reason the Chargers have been bottom 5 in defense these last three years is what your telling me? He’s responsible for the idiotic coaching on the sidelines? The injuries? Y’all sound so dumb when it comes to Herbert
Not trying to be that guy, but Herberts never made the playoffs, never had a winning overall career record as a QB, and he’s 5-5 rn. Mahomes has so many accolades already, lost tyreek forever, literally throwing to people like sky Moore, Noah Grey, Gordy Fortson, and y’all give Herbert more leeway then Mahomes. Mahomes should be the one given the most trust and praise to. Y’all didn’t even talk about the chiefs and there 8-2 with the mvp on the winning streak with Mahomes doing it with people who arnt proven….
The chiefs have Andy Reid and Mahomes has had a really good receiving core and that’s not to mention Kelce. Chargers have been the most injured team in football and that’s not to mention the two idiots on our coaching staff acting like Mahomes and Herbert are in similar situations is idiotic
Zach Wilson deserves no sympathy what so ever to not accountability and him feelin entitled him thinkin he sum hes not in that situation is disgusting frfr
Joel news flash….Zach Wilson sucks. Horrible QB and a horrible teammate. I am sure the defensive players love him after he could not own up to his substandard play.
Facts. Think about what would you do if you were a defensive player. In your head you would be like we held their ass to 3 fucking points dude. Tua would have owned it without question. That’s why the team loves him. He’s a pro and a team first guy. That’s also why tyreke said he chose Tua over zack Wilson
The way joel is so picky how he “analyzes” tua and hurts but this man made so many excuses for zach until he literally was the worst starting QB in the league 😂😂
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Joel is the king of recency bias, he literally change his mind on everything every week
yah not the brightest
his nickname’s “mr. flip a side”
1 hour in and this pod is legendary! Joel trying to take down Dehls with him will be an all timer. Dehls clearly was skeptical early this year but went with his heart. Joel was in the bridge when he hit the iceberg!
Getting Jordan Shultz is a big W shoutout pick a side man
Proud of you guys keep it going!
13 hour road trip. Very clutch💯
This podcast is just so damn good guys, thanks for another banger
BRO 😂😂😂
“0/20 is historical, 0/5’s just an off night”
That may have been the best line in this podcasts history lmao that was golden
How tf did y’all get Shultz on the pod, fucking insane
You’ve guys only have taken Ws since I’ve found out about y’all. Inspirational fr
We up! I look forward to y'all episode drops every time!
Joel has lost the right to even utter Tua’s name 😂
Great episode, guys
Best Pod out keep up the great work
LOVE that he mentioned relationships are everything.
Joel went through the full 7 stages of grief 😭😭😭😭
i fall asleep wathcing youtube and evrytime i wake up its on a random episode of there podcast
1:34:40 - "Not sold when eagles play from behind" - injuries. They're getting Jordan Davis back soon. They just added Suh and Linval Jordan to the roster. Helped tremendously on Sunday.
as a lions fan i get the same feeling from herbert as i did stafford. talent wise hes one of the best but when you live and die by your qb saving you every game more times than not it wont result in wins.
The Jets failure to tank the 2020 season is the biggest fumbling of the bag EVER. I remember like it was yesterday everyone was talking about Lawrence to the Jets and how he wouldn't want to play there. Won the most meanless game ever vs the Rams and everyone in the world was shocked.
Lawrence is selling himself too tho
@@lawtooopforop149he is miles better than Zach 😂😂
@@lawtooopforop149 Lawrence is going to have a great future. He is a franchise guy. Zach has been giving shades of Darnold for a while now.
@@YourDailyBowlofCereal Man stop they both ain’t on shit. That entire QB class is snake bitten outside of one.
@@eazymb. I have no favorite out of that class, but judging a QB in their first few years with no help is a bad idea. Look at Geno. Look at how Rodgers started.
Literally a month later and the Tua/Hurts conversation really isn't even a debate.
Best podcast much love
I really felt that Joel 😂😂
Personally I have never believed Zach Wilson is a franchise QB but I feel bad for Joel now that he sees it too
Love how people fault Jalen’s passing ability losing against the commanders when he was almost perfect in the fourth quarter passing. PLEASE watch that quarter again lol jesus christ
Vikings vs Patriots ended up being an amazing game and you guys said Kirk was trash then praised him at the end no shame flip a side
The Titans have 7 wins waiting for the respect from you guys
I would have paid money to see this reaction. All year I have been waiting for this moment. Lmao. All the Tua hate I’ve been hearing. Jokes on you.
1:34:17 I’m with you Drew 😂😂
Its wild how one game vs the cowboys is the only thing you need to see, but the one game against the bills means nothing? Thats crazy
Couldn’t wait for Joel to cry over Zach 🥲
8-1 in last 9 games of the year last season. What’s the cold have to do with anything for Tua?
Watching Joel sweat to justify Trash Wilson, knowing Tua is in the MVP conversation is so euphoric for me 😂😂😂😂😂😂
This is classic 🤣🤣
I think y’all need to revisit that St.Brown take of being better then Higgins . Higgins is a #1 wr on most teams , he would be like a Keenan Allen type
Major W!!
Not Joel going kamikaze on Jo 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ima 76ers fan I understand the pain
Just so you can remember Mr Hurts hater, the reason they got stopped in the redzone ONCE last game was bc kelce threw the ball over jalen’s head🤦♂️
He is nitpicking, he would never do this to Burrow, Herbert or any other QB star...
I love how as a jets fan, the 1 year we aren’t in the top 5 of the draft. joe burrow, herbert and tua were drafted. As of right now they all clear zach🥲
I love drew .the reason I watch this show .Not sure how many times I said that already lol
Joel Bayless has upgrade to Joel Cowherd lol. It’s just pure ignorance at this point 😂
Just hope Joel apology louder than his Eagles slander later in the year...
1:24:00 - "they got stopped multiple times" - sounds like dude doesn't know that at the time, the colts were the #4 best defensive team in the NFL.
Called the Zach wilon situation 2 weeks ago in your comments
Swap Tua and Herbert, the dolphins are Superbowl contenders instantly. I'm curious how Tua will play in the playoffs considering the great moments he had in college
As a Washington fan I was hoping for a bigger segment. If we sweep the giants which I think we do because of their injuries this past week. We will make the playoffs. 49ers obviously the better team. BUT we can minimize their run game and make jimmy G beat us. Will Watson have the rust off? And Dallas week 18 I’ll be there. At home against Dak who has never lost to Washington. I hope it doesn’t come down to that game
why are we acting like JJ is not like 50 yards behind tyreek, all while having more tds lmao.Any player in the history of the vikings are automatically slept on
Picking Zack on Danny dimes was crazy
JORDO SHULZ ON YHE PICK A SIDE
I'll never understand dudes that want QBs to look impressive more than just trying to win the game.
Lions lost to the Super contenders Bills by 3 points that’s impressive
Options for the jets QB next year
1. Lamar Jackson
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Derek Carr
4. Jimmy Garoppolo
5. trade up for young
Zach sucks bad he is holding this team back
Dude moved the goalposts on Jalen Hurts like every other sentence lmfao.
Relax people, Justin will will his team to the playoffs. He leadership is underrated!
Herbert don’t even got a 500 record overrated
I pray for the Bengals to play dolphins and ravens in the playoffs. The Burrow disrespect from White Joel and Drew must end.
Joel I’m glad you’ve seen the light hopefully 😂
Joel sounds like a top tier hater the way he pinpoints the bad plays and gives backhand compliments to the good plays regarding Tua and Hurts
A top 3 quarterback not making the playoffs ever? If Lamar didn’t make the playoffs for the first three seasons of his career, they’d be asking for him to be replaced.
Im a Broncos fan wearing a Cowboys jersey, " Shout out to Elliot, Ohio standout" OMG... everyone like 🤮😒🙄
Yah Judon not in ur DPOY race is nuts
idk why he’s acting like Goff didn’t have an MVP caliber season as well, i agree Tua has been great this year but i think it’s also fair to want to see him the second half of the season keep it up against better defenses. Both sides can be right lol
Joe Douglas let the QB pundits convince him that Zach Wilson is better than Justin Fields. Could def lose his job for that despite doing everything else well.
1:37:12 - The cowgirls are like Jekyll and Hyde. They need to be more consistent for me to trust them. They just had a stinker against piss poor Packers.
Look at the hate on that broncos fans face when mahomes was being talked about.
Wick W Wide
i’m not even high on Zac but maybe he needs a new scenery. Trade him to Detroit for a second rounder or something lol
Why would he be worth a second rounder ? Lol
@@kyj060792 i mean Darnold went for a second lol, Josh Rosen went for one as well. He was the second overall pick, i’m sure some team will believe they can fix his issues and he’s still young enough that it’s not impossible a change of scenery helps him
if the dolphis win the super bowl you better put respect on his name
Joel was trying too hard to downplay Hurts when him & the defense the reason why Eagles won. Yeah it was ugly but a wins a win.
Ya the only things hurts messed up on was that blindside fumble( Watkins was open over the middle deep ) and that 3rd down right before they went for it on 4th n 10 brown was wide open
@@ryanmart4525 you’re doing what Joel is doing, over analyzing. The running back also needs to hold that block on that blindside hit
Zach already getting compared to Jamarcus Russell 😂😂
My joint ain't got any sound. Don't know if it's just me
Just you
It's good now. It took a minute for me
The number 1 reason why the cowboys are contenders is because of how weak the NFC is. In reality we know Dak isn’t gonna rise but the roster could carry us with how bad the NFC is
kittle is close to godert?!???
did they say that? I haven’t gotten that far lol that’s wild
Carr hands down 2nd , 3rd pick. If not Carr Bridgewater.
Joel tryna discredit other qbs cuz Zach trash 🤦🏾♂️😭😭
Imagine how sad us pistons fans are over Killian Hayes😂😂😂
we aren’t sad, he was a high risk high reward prospect that just didn’t work out. We have our backcourt of the future with Cade + Ivey, some of y’all just can’t move on lmao
@@fireestyle don’t say we. Say YOU. Any wasted lottery pick is SADDENING. Yes we hit jackpot wit Cade and Jaden but killian was supposed to still transform into a good piece regardless. He’s our 2020s Stanley Johnson lmfao
@@Tjb313 it was the covid year where everything was uncertain. Guys drafted over him like Wiseman, Patrick Williams and Isaac Okoro have all been just as bad. The number 7 pick rarely turns out to be a great player, at that point the “safe” high upside players have already been drafted and more times than not you have to decide on good players who have perceived low ceilings (Tyrese Halliburton in this case) or complete mysteries like Killian who you hope is just scratching the surface. No one’s arguing he was a good pick but to still be stuck on our backup guard 3 years after we drafted him is insane bruh lol
@@fireestyle he’s 21 lol and had only played 110 NBA games. That’s not even a season and a half. Why wouldn’t I still be talking about him?
@@Tjb313 because hes not even a starter on our team.... you can talk about him no one saying hes absolved of criticism but to say how sad we are when part of the reason we have Cade has to do with not taking Hali lmao. get over it, he wasnt the right pick but no point being stuck crying over a backup guard who has no future as a starter here barring a huge improvement this year... its weird as hell. i literally named 3 other players that were drafted before him who have been equally disappointing yet youre upset still over a pick made in 2020 and not happy we have our backcourt for the forseeable future. its the same with jeff okudah, he was never the right pick at 3 but theres nothing we can do to change it but hope he continues to be a good player for us.
just wanna say kirk cousins only attempted like 23 passes… much respect to diggs but you can’t catch passes that can’t develop
Not me living in Buffalo...
Rivers got flack for missing the postseason entirely too much. It will be the same for Herbert unfortunately. The perception will be he’s a good regular season QB who you will never have success with when it comes to the post season.
Cooper Rush to the Jets CONFIRMED!
Let’s be honest….does not matter what QB the Jets draft they will ruin him…it’s in their DNA….it’s what they do.
You may have been right about the Vikings being frauds but that game was not on Kirk. He held the ball a little too long in the first quarter but after that the OLINE WAS ASS. The few times he had time back there he threw some dots. Hate on the team but don’t act like this is all on him. Also Kirk is having one of his worst statistical years yet he’s one of the clutchest QBs
Yeah you should never use highlights to see how good a player is it can give you a idea but, highlights can very deceiving. As a pats fan happy for the win but I was high on Zach out of his class and yeah he still has issues I thought he can get out of but so far not good.
Damn I remember when this guy said Wilson was better than tua lmfao 🤣
Good news Joel is you have a really good young roster, so if Zach doesn’t pan out (which at this point it’s looking like no) you just need to be aggressive with a trade up or a vet QB.
As a bears fan, Fields is looking like a guy (passing game will get better, he was drafted for his passing ability) but everything around him is shit and one draft class and free agency won’t get the roster to the jets level.
Also, Hurts and Tua are those dudes and will be for their teams for the foreseeable future.
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1:20:50 - "that was a horrible play call" what??? 🤣🤣🤣 They made a reverse r-p-o. Basically a p-r-o. Bro, pls just stay quiet. Lol
The 2010 Chargers were #1 in Offense and #1 and defense and still missed the playoffs 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
Joel is a walking L on his qb takes
FIRST + RATIO SERG
The pass that Herbert gets is crazy. Let that had been Wentz who threw that INT to end the game and y’all would’ve talked bad about him. Herbert isn’t that guy. Talent will only get you so far.
He led a game winning drive all his team had to do was hold out for a 1:46 second how are y’all blaming Herbert for not completing a Hail Mary attempt
@@Bandicoot19 I’m blaming him for not having a playoff game under his belt. All I keep hearing about is “talent”.
@@superduperdebegoat4042 so he’s the reason the Chargers have been bottom 5 in defense these last three years is what your telling me? He’s responsible for the idiotic coaching on the sidelines? The injuries? Y’all sound so dumb when it comes to Herbert
No nick bosa for DPOY
PAS best in the game
Not trying to be that guy, but Herberts never made the playoffs, never had a winning overall career record as a QB, and he’s 5-5 rn. Mahomes has so many accolades already, lost tyreek forever, literally throwing to people like sky Moore, Noah Grey, Gordy Fortson, and y’all give Herbert more leeway then Mahomes. Mahomes should be the one given the most trust and praise to. Y’all didn’t even talk about the chiefs and there 8-2 with the mvp on the winning streak with Mahomes doing it with people who arnt proven….
It’s because Drew’s a trash ass Broncos and Dolphins fan so you can see how Drew acts when y’all talk about Mahomes almost disrespectfully
The chiefs have Andy Reid and Mahomes has had a really good receiving core and that’s not to mention Kelce. Chargers have been the most injured team in football and that’s not to mention the two idiots on our coaching staff acting like Mahomes and Herbert are in similar situations is idiotic
bro shut the fuck up with this. “Herbert hasn’t made the playoffs” Its a team accomplishment not an individual accomplishment
OBJ should go to Kc
Zach Wilson deserves no sympathy what so ever to not accountability and him feelin entitled him thinkin he sum hes not in that situation is disgusting frfr
Joel news flash….Zach Wilson sucks. Horrible QB and a horrible teammate. I am sure the defensive players love him after he could not own up to his substandard play.
Facts. Think about what would you do if you were a defensive player. In your head you would be like we held their ass to 3 fucking points dude.
Tua would have owned it without question. That’s why the team loves him. He’s a pro and a team first guy. That’s also why tyreke said he chose Tua over zack Wilson
Tua is 24
I’m so tired of bruh at the head of the Tabel. He so weird 😂😂 ahaha
The way joel is so picky how he “analyzes” tua and hurts but this man made so many excuses for zach until he literally was the worst starting QB in the league 😂😂