People (especially the nerds who can't play one game without complaining) always seem to hate shotguns. I mean, there are literally ways to outgun a shotgun user. Just stay back with a sniper or AR and go wild.
Minishells for the SPAS-12 are plenty fun to use, especially with Remove Stock for a 14.7 stud/s walkspeed with a 12+1 capacity, and is still capable of a one-shot should all pellets hit, which happens more often than you think. Super Shorty with Birdshot, Full Choke, and Traditional Pump is fun too. Despite the low per-pellet damage, you can reliably get one-hit kills up to about 60 studs. For shotgun *conversions,* I found the VPO-209 fun, taking an AKM and using shot, Carbine Barrel, and Remove Stock to get a CQC manstopper. Thanks to Carbine Barrel’s headshot multiplier buff, it takes one pellet to the head to get a 4-pellet kill as opposed to a 5-pellet kill, which makes it reliable in CQC when paired with the increased spread and above average pellet count. Last but not least is the 1,000 damage Sawed Off setup, which uses Improved Choke, Birdshot, and Boom Stock (the latter more to resemble the Super Shotgun than anything). Birdshot and Improved Choke together keep pellet spread tighter, while also hovering above the 1,000 damage threshold when bursting (specifically dealing 1,020 damage). Apart from these setups… remember when the M79 had 12 default pellets instead of 10, and the short barrel actually increased damage (at least in test place)? Good times.
@@camarokidbb4347 Would rather deal with that then get 1 shot by a cringelord using a shotgun. And stop with the whole no recoild shit. Not everyone who uses a SMG or AR have thier setup be no recoil based because it is boring. Dealing with shit that 1 shots or kills in 1 second is way more annnoying then playing against a no recoil setup.
The fact i wanna point out is that the KS-23M, DB shotgun, Model 870, and any Shotgun with slugs has a higher skill floor and skill ceiling than alot of Assault rifles. Imagine some Aug x Para user calling a DB shotgun user skillless despite the fact hes using the Aug para because he can't handle Recoil
Stevens DB w/ slugs, Paradox Choke, and on burst is actually pretty nutty imo. Pair that with a PSO-1 scope (more so because it visually looks nice than anything else), and you basically have a more portable base NTW-20 that sacrifices capacity and penetration to be able to be aimed while standing.
Unlocked the dt11 a day ago. It is not a good cqc shotgun stock. Spread is low enought that you cant just hipfire when people are close to the center of your screen.
@@DarkSkyies I have two setups that’ll help with your CQC troubles. First is Sawed Off barrel + 000 Buck (+ CQC optic of your choice). Real original, I know, but hear me out: it’s a 2-pellet kill in CQC with wide spread, so even if you only have 6 pellets per shot, kills should be fairly consistent, doubly so if you hitmarker within this setup’s effective range and fire a followup shot. Second is a lesser-known setup imho, with 3 1/2” shells, Combat Barrel, and the Olympian Stock (along with a CQC optic of your choice). This actually has a better movement speed than above, and while you don’t deal as much damage as above, your damage profile, spread, and pellet count are much more in line with your average shotgun than with either the stock DT11 or the setup above. The Olympian Stock helps tame recoil too, but keep the recoil delay in mind too. While you may need an extra pellet to kill compared to above, effective range is less of a concern due to the much tighter spread.
Lol I recognize this from it being based of AceOceriana’s video about Pyro mains. I didn’t think that it could be used in any other way though, so props to you for showing that it can be done. Also I don’t mind the secondaries but do dislike when people used them as their main weapon.
Shotgun mains are like the kind of people to get cookie clicker and grind hours to get an overpowered clicker Which is the equivalent of the shotgun mains
Well, the Germans did in WW. They complained that they were "too inhumane". This coming from the country that first used poison gas on a mass scale, pioneered flamethrowers, and promised to execute any soldiers with shotguns or shotgun shells on sight. _Yeah...._
It's very hypocritical if people say things like that and those people actually existed. I'm a pump action shotgunner and I always been dealing with people demanding to use a "real gun" while in reality they just spray and pray, get ton of kill and said they know how to aim.
Am i the only one who thinks that people using stuff like the M16A3 are almost on the same tier as the people who use stuff like the AA12? I mean come on, low recoil, high firerate, and high DPS. Sure the AA12 can one shot at close range, but like the M16 can take out a bunch of people with a single spray. Yea sure shotguns might be easier to hit, but youre sacraficing range
truth is, people complain about shotguns regardless of game or balancing. what separates players isn't the weapon they're using, but rather their individual skill, and their ability to adapt to different situations. for example: if a shotgun main goes on desert storm, they wouldn't try to take long range fights, in fact they would want to force their opponent to play closer, or when you're fighting against shotguns, gain some distance, or try to make them miss at least half of their pellets. it's also what separates good maps and bad maps, is the amount of ways you can approach something. this is why many good players in the community love warehouse.
Equips ks23m with harpoon And actually does good with it Idk why but I suck with meta guns, probably because they have so little potential and are just easy to use yet I can crush a server maining a revolver like the 1858 or a ridiculous one bulket, short range, monstrousity
All I have to say is Steven db: that one aug a1 sight Skeleton grip Paradox choke Either no stock or Ballistics tracker (depending on map) Slugs And now you have yourself a better bfg
this is exactly how people talk about the bfg, ive asked so many people why they hate it and they always have opposite reactions: "its easy to use" or "its trash", but they always agree to hate it...
I think the BFG is just bad . . . As a gun. Like, it's not that hard to go up against, it's just generally easy to use. I see it more as like training wheels then anything, it's easy to use, but once you get to a certain point, its reload limits your potential to get a high amount of kills. But, below that point, I don't have a problem with it.
@@SteveTheTaco64 Well, you could always change it up, and become an SFG main. If used correctly, it can be a hellishly effective CQC weapon, but then again, it's a completely different playstyle. I haven't used the Hecate, but I hear it has the benefits of the BFG with a higher capacity.
I had this one hk416 sweat (rank 70 or smthing) on my lobby like a few months ago complaining about people using shotguns on metro and even false vote kicked a guy for using a shotgun. He was always in top 3 in the leaderboards and he kept saying ez. People like this is the reason why Phantom Forces has such a sh*t fanbase.
The PF community will complain and complain. If someone’s going to voice their opinions about stuff, at least make it reasonable! I think it’s just the age-old rule that people will always complain over shotguns.
people have problems with shotguns all the time like too fast ttk at pretty unfun distance most of the time, but, that… is kind of shotguns’s thing, it specializes in killing really freaking fast in close-mid range, which while autos can do, can not surpass in any way, instead having a good range to work with, which the shotguns can’t do. round a corner with caution, stay out and be mindful of flank routes, or just go shotguns on linear maps. if you don’t respect what the shotgun users bring to the table, you have very little rights to complain about them.
I would love to see the reaction of people when I punch them to death with the bare-hands. It's especially satisfying when you sneak up on a camper and punch their lights out.
other shotgun mains: "no it's not easy to use! I only have limited range! etc etc" Me, a rank 228 shotgun main: "I just use shotguns to piss people off"
Shotgun mains in a shotgun shell (real)
bro just ruined everyones day in that bazar game ( personally best shotgun is spaz)
AA-12 mains that use the 8 round mag are certified Chads tho
Is this inspired by “Ace The Ocarina maker?”
It’s like, the exact same thing and the “complainer” says the same things as the original.
People (especially the nerds who can't play one game without complaining) always seem to hate shotguns. I mean, there are literally ways to outgun a shotgun user. Just stay back with a sniper or AR and go wild.
Moon: “I’m just gonna use what I want”
Also Moon: **Changes shotgun after criticism**
That's the joy of PF. You find loopholes in bad criticism and watch people get salty over it.
This is why batlebit didnt add shotguns, people will complain about them regardless of their place in the meta lol
Huh I didn't know Battlebit has no shotguns
@@heistingcrusader_ad3223 simply because you dont miss them in any way
It feels weird to see an fps game without a shotgun. Almost every FPS games nowadays have at least 1 shotgun
Minishells for the SPAS-12 are plenty fun to use, especially with Remove Stock for a 14.7 stud/s walkspeed with a 12+1 capacity, and is still capable of a one-shot should all pellets hit, which happens more often than you think.
Super Shorty with Birdshot, Full Choke, and Traditional Pump is fun too. Despite the low per-pellet damage, you can reliably get one-hit kills up to about 60 studs.
For shotgun *conversions,* I found the VPO-209 fun, taking an AKM and using shot, Carbine Barrel, and Remove Stock to get a CQC manstopper. Thanks to Carbine Barrel’s headshot multiplier buff, it takes one pellet to the head to get a 4-pellet kill as opposed to a 5-pellet kill, which makes it reliable in CQC when paired with the increased spread and above average pellet count.
Last but not least is the 1,000 damage Sawed Off setup, which uses Improved Choke, Birdshot, and Boom Stock (the latter more to resemble the Super Shotgun than anything). Birdshot and Improved Choke together keep pellet spread tighter, while also hovering above the 1,000 damage threshold when bursting (specifically dealing 1,020 damage).
Apart from these setups… remember when the M79 had 12 default pellets instead of 10, and the short barrel actually increased damage (at least in test place)? Good times.
🤓
see the thing is, its fun for YOU to use; not for other people to play against
@@chqxnBecause facing the same zero recoil^TM assault rifle build immediately after spawning over and over is so much more fun, right? 🙄
@@camarokidbb4347 Would rather deal with that then get 1 shot by a cringelord using a shotgun. And stop with the whole no recoild shit. Not everyone who uses a SMG or AR have thier setup be no recoil based because it is boring. Dealing with shit that 1 shots or kills in 1 second is way more annnoying then playing against a no recoil setup.
@@chqxnlaughs in model 870 user
BRO CAN WE NOT USE ANYTHING THESE DAYS!!?!?!
People still get mad when I drop 80kills with the Baewulf ECR 410 👍
Meeles
Honestly people have a problem with literally everything
Good guns? NO
Bad guns? EVEN WORSE
Shotguns… you’re about to get hated on
I got kicked out of a lobby for going 90-2 with a m9 pistol...
@@onswesleyy4866 LOL
The fact i wanna point out is that the KS-23M, DB shotgun, Model 870, and any Shotgun with slugs has a higher skill floor and skill ceiling than alot of Assault rifles.
Imagine some Aug x Para user calling a DB shotgun user skillless despite the fact hes using the Aug para because he can't handle Recoil
Stevens DB w/ slugs, Paradox Choke, and on burst is actually pretty nutty imo. Pair that with a PSO-1 scope (more so because it visually looks nice than anything else), and you basically have a more portable base NTW-20 that sacrifices capacity and penetration to be able to be aimed while standing.
Unlocked the dt11 a day ago. It is not a good cqc shotgun stock. Spread is low enought that you cant just hipfire when people are close to the center of your screen.
@@DarkSkyies I have two setups that’ll help with your CQC troubles.
First is Sawed Off barrel + 000 Buck (+ CQC optic of your choice). Real original, I know, but hear me out: it’s a 2-pellet kill in CQC with wide spread, so even if you only have 6 pellets per shot, kills should be fairly consistent, doubly so if you hitmarker within this setup’s effective range and fire a followup shot.
Second is a lesser-known setup imho, with 3 1/2” shells, Combat Barrel, and the Olympian Stock (along with a CQC optic of your choice). This actually has a better movement speed than above, and while you don’t deal as much damage as above, your damage profile, spread, and pellet count are much more in line with your average shotgun than with either the stock DT11 or the setup above. The Olympian Stock helps tame recoil too, but keep the recoil delay in mind too. While you may need an extra pellet to kill compared to above, effective range is less of a concern due to the much tighter spread.
Pretty sure this is inspired by "The tragic life of pyro mains"
*Pulls out BFG dust shot*
That AA12 montage made my day brighter, and now I'll be able to sleep comfortably.
Has a ks-23 harpoon main i can safely say that, shotguns are definelly one of the most fun guns to use
Harpoon is busted, 5000 headshot damage cqc.
Lol I recognize this from it being based of AceOceriana’s video about Pyro mains. I didn’t think that it could be used in any other way though, so props to you for showing that it can be done. Also I don’t mind the secondaries but do dislike when people used them as their main weapon.
Shotgun mains are like the kind of people to get cookie clicker and grind hours to get an overpowered clicker
Which is the equivalent of the shotgun mains
I remember getting judged for using the Kac Srr once. This community really is braindead 💀
Homie keep using that gun. Its a fun gun imo to use and i respect you for it.
What the f...
I like this video also people should be able to use thier own gunin a game where the ttk is less than a second on almost all guns
The Ace ocarinamaker reference is awsome
I’ll say it a million times, there’s a difference between using a fast shotgun and needing to use a fast shotgun
Me:*procedces to carry my entire teams ass with an m79 thumper using remove stock and behive conv* interesting
One day pepole in a war will get injured and be like "Bro, why you using a shotgun that's so cringe"
Well, the Germans did in WW. They complained that they were "too inhumane". This coming from the country that first used poison gas on a mass scale, pioneered flamethrowers, and promised to execute any soldiers with shotguns or shotgun shells on sight.
_Yeah...._
He will try votekick him
It's very hypocritical if people say things like that and those people actually existed.
I'm a pump action shotgunner and I always been dealing with people demanding to use a "real gun" while in reality they just spray and pray, get ton of kill and said they know how to aim.
as a dbv and stevens user o can confirm i get votekicked on bazaar alot
I just want the M107 back how it was. Nothing is actually balanced if players have more skill than others
Am i the only one who thinks that people using stuff like the M16A3 are almost on the same tier as the people who use stuff like the AA12? I mean come on, low recoil, high firerate, and high DPS.
Sure the AA12 can one shot at close range, but like the M16 can take out a bunch of people with a single spray. Yea sure shotguns might be easier to hit, but youre sacraficing range
truth is, people complain about shotguns regardless of game or balancing.
what separates players isn't the weapon they're using, but rather their individual skill, and their ability to adapt to different situations.
for example: if a shotgun main goes on desert storm, they wouldn't try to take long range fights, in fact they would want to force their opponent to play closer, or when you're fighting against shotguns, gain some distance, or try to make them miss at least half of their pellets.
it's also what separates good maps and bad maps, is the amount of ways you can approach something. this is why many good players in the community love warehouse.
Moon may not be pregnant but he never fails to deliver
um
Take my like and gtfo
Y e s
Equips ks23m with harpoon
And actually does good with it
Idk why but I suck with meta guns, probably because they have so little potential and are just easy to use yet I can crush a server maining a revolver like the 1858 or a ridiculous one bulket, short range, monstrousity
Any tips with that set up?
@heistingcrusader_ad3223 be good I guess, just have steady aim and a calm pulse
Using shotguns are so fun not only because they’re fun to use, but also because you make others unreasonably angry
Bro forgot the gb-12 nobody will roast you for suing that!
This annoyed me on how real and relatable is and that voice is my new inbrain voice actor for when i see people raging at me or someone
At some point in time i just said screw it im getting snake shot for the 1858 carbine and the kill count rocketed from ~450 kills and jumped to 1000+
All I have to say is Steven db:
that one aug a1 sight
Skeleton grip
Paradox choke
Either no stock or Ballistics tracker (depending on map)
Slugs
And now you have yourself a better bfg
Like Ace's pyro video but i like it.
this guy's voice is so nice
this video made me subscribed
I don't use birdshot on SAIGA-12.
I use rubber pellets.
Yes sir. Pellet time.
I love how both are portrayed negatively
Pf players when they realize that running onto a shotgun user will lead them to die: 😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮
Why I can just hear the irony of someone that's prob using a no recoil set up complaining on the e gun
Pf player be like: iF yOurR a sHotGuN MaIN YoU haVe mAjoR sKiLl isSuE
Me: Stfu I use what I want
This perfectly represents how whiny the shotgun haters are
People get furious when i dropped 60 kills with the AA-12 [Nerfed Version]
This is basically twitter, no matter the what 'people' will not be happy with your choice
I actually prebought the SPAS-12 and it's my fav gun lol
this is exactly how people talk about the bfg, ive asked so many people why they hate it and they always have opposite reactions: "its easy to use" or "its trash", but they always agree to hate it...
I think the BFG is just bad . . . As a gun. Like, it's not that hard to go up against, it's just generally easy to use. I see it more as like training wheels then anything, it's easy to use, but once you get to a certain point, its reload limits your potential to get a high amount of kills. But, below that point, I don't have a problem with it.
@@Humanai602 the training wheels are a great metaphor to represent it lol, its just sad that many people cant move on from them (including me)
@@SteveTheTaco64 Well, you could always change it up, and become an SFG main. If used correctly, it can be a hellishly effective CQC weapon, but then again, it's a completely different playstyle. I haven't used the Hecate, but I hear it has the benefits of the BFG with a higher capacity.
How do you only have 35k you deserve more
F *NTW20X110 CONVERSION SOUND* that guy that was talking that, was subbed?
Codm garena never has this problem, because everyone is a shotgun sweat
dude skins is so damn nice O_O
took me a while to realise this was an ace reference. good ol tf2
My R870 setup: (its a mobility setup)
Coyote/opk7
Duckbill choke
Skeleton grip
Remove stock
Stock ammo because stock is 🗿
I played pf today for the first time..... cant even get a kill
Play on lowest fov
spas 12 with pump action and loudener should change sound to hl2 shotgun. make it happen.
Ace the OcarinaMaker refartrabxe??!?!?
I had this one hk416 sweat (rank 70 or smthing) on my lobby like a few months ago complaining about people using shotguns on metro and even false vote kicked a guy for using a shotgun. He was always in top 3 in the leaderboards and he kept saying ez. People like this is the reason why Phantom Forces has such a sh*t fanbase.
DT11 or db with slug is the best sniper😂
"Shotguns no skills" mfs as they sprays a rain of 5.56x45mm NATO with the fire rate of 800 RPM at my face while i have to pump my Rem 870.
Why does this only have 300 likes???
listen, if someone use shotgun, they use shotgun
People are talking about actual shotguns while im the only can cannon tennis balls user here GET SOME SKILL
The KS-23 it's a pretty good sniper with barrikada slugs ngl
2:46 how to get this skin
The aa-12 is the only thing no one should use otherwise shotguns are cool asf.
The PF community will complain and complain. If someone’s going to voice their opinions about stuff, at least make it reasonable!
I think it’s just the age-old rule that people will always complain over shotguns.
for some reason idont se aa12 in baazar that much
people have problems with shotguns all the time like too fast ttk at pretty unfun distance most of the time, but, that… is kind of shotguns’s thing, it specializes in killing really freaking fast in close-mid range, which while autos can do, can not surpass in any way, instead having a good range to work with, which the shotguns can’t do.
round a corner with caution, stay out and be mindful of flank routes, or just go shotguns on linear maps. if you don’t respect what the shotgun users bring to the table, you have very little rights to complain about them.
The feeling when some underdeveloped child drops a false VK on you when using AA12, this has happened to me so many fucking times it was stupid
Day 5 of asking moon for Phantom forces player plays RECOIL from Bad Skeleton
i hope i wont get hated on for using melee
"Bro why are you using a oneshot heavy melee"
Average tryhard
I would love to see the reaction of people when I punch them to death with the bare-hands. It's especially satisfying when you sneak up on a camper and punch their lights out.
@@Ncorpsinclair lol tryhards dont know a word called FUN
@@S-m1l3y true lmao
I love how you portraying yourself as the other guy who whines and complains about everything.
what??? someone actually thinks that shotgun can be useless????
Micro uzi
Muzzle booster
Strike 3
No body will ever complain
4:05 then comes the patriarch yelling "ONE IN THE PIPE:
Generic the pyro main is probably feeling bad for Crutch the shotgun main rn
Average people getting mad cause they died close quarters that’s literally meant for that
The PF comunity hates shotguns bc they are not the M16A3.😅
1:43 gamer every server has atleast 5 guys that uses the sniper as a cqc weapon and u telling me i cant use a shotgun?
so early
Fun fact i was in one of the bazzar tounds where you used the usas
im just using shotguns with either loudener or just using chainsaw ksg barrel mini slugs
People just critisize whatever you do nowadays.
i dunno, still low levels kick IN 2024 with aa-12
Moon can describe my pain as shotgun main
No drum mag on the aa12?
You are clickbaiting so harddd moooooooooooon 😢😢
if some one is talkin bull ima just say ew cringe player with skill issues
and then there is the gigachad shotgun main.
slugs on the dt11 with a scope.
Average assault rifles fan:🤬🤬🤬😡😡😡😡😡🤬🤬
Average shotguns enjoyer:😎😎😎😎🗿🗿🗿🗿😎🗿
this reminds me so much of ace the ocarina maker
if i use the Saiga and put the .223 on it am i still using a shotgun?
That complainer gives me the same vibe as that Crimsix tweet.
Survival the JUDGEMENT the killer
I’m gonna say it.
Steven’s DB > DT11
Can’t balance shotguns? remove it gg ez
Funny vid actually 😂
dude i’m the background saved everyone in the server
other shotgun mains: "no it's not easy to use! I only have limited range! etc etc"
Me, a rank 228 shotgun main: "I just use shotguns to piss people off"
God i hate shotgun mains so much
Why do I feel like this video is targeted against me
Me who plays doom: Shotgun best gun
Ace TheOcrinamaker reference? Pyro main video
what loadout and setups did you use for the ksg?