What do you guys think of this rework? Is there anything you think I missed? Would love to hear your opinions on this potential rework and don't forget to boost this video with a like!
I don't think the different colors would be realistic, but instead we could have flashlights that just give off a very bright light and basically acts like a constant, worse flashbang as you said in the start of the video we could have multiple (white) flashlights with different AOEs, higher AOE makes the handling/reload/ads/movement slower for balancing
Great ideas, though some needs changing. those affects to other players are a bit eehh imo. (in the way that it's a bit too game breaking, imagine some setups pairing lazers and flashlights together. This could end up being quite op.) Stylis does need to make the flashlight useful though, it's begging for it. You forgot to mention that i'm sure there's no way the flashlight would still be unlocked from 0 kills after these changes (I'm sure you'd agree with me.)
Hey Moon! Just wanted to drop in, maybe the flashlight changes could be a part of an entire new gamemode named "Exclusion Delusion" where certain guns are disabled, but the enabled ones have unique abilities that aid the user or harm the enemy, alongside each light/laser attachment having their own special changes. Or the more assumable and likely route, Stylis may add this but tweak the abilities to make it less annoying to fight against. Edit: some guns are going to be hella meta if this idea becomes real, so abilities can't be too broken (example being an auto-spot AoE around you)
My personal idea for a flashlight rework: Same AOE idea, but instead of blinding the enemy or messing with their UI, it automatically spots them without needing to press E
A lot of good ideas in this video, I've been working on a similar video to this one over the last week and I'm excited to see how our ideas on this mesh together. As longtime players, I think PF could use some serious reworks but would greatly benefit the game over time 🎉
They could lower recoil very slightly , after all the heavier the gun the less kick . The maglight would slightly decreases mobility for slightly lower recoil due to its weight . The blinding mechanic could be made better by making the light visible from range thus giving you a cqc advantage while making you very noticeable from range . Lastly they could auto spot enemies in your line of sight up to a range
In my opinion the yellow one needs a completely different idea, as it might give people motion sickness and as someone who has a rare phobia of spinning objects, this would be a nightmare for me.
@@magpineapple Its a bit complicated, but most things that are in a spinning or repeatedly swinging motion cause me a burst of nervousness and slight panic for a few minutes.
My take is just making the player hallucinate enemies that cant be interacted with for up to 5 seconds after flash. 1 second of exposure is required for the max 5 sec, so 0.2 sec is 1 second.
tbh flashlights are really only useful if there was a really dark map in the game, whether you have shaders on or off. other than that it can be detrimental cus it can alert people to your location tbh the solution you came up with was really good tho couldn't have thought of it myself lmao
I absolutely love this rework idea! Blinding enemies is such an Airsoft CQB thing to do, but let's add the option to have switch pads like in Zero Hour. Where the light will turn on or off depending if the player is ADS-ing or firing from the hip.
i think the orange flashlight should disable steady aim and make the screen shake more when the enemy is aiming, make the screen spin is pretty strange and it will confuse new players.
A lot of people forget that there were night maps during one of the Halloween events a few years ago, actually made torches and the night vision scope useful, that was such a fun event and made gameplay feel different for once. Bring back night maps!
Honestly i would make the in-game night much darker, removed day/light cycle setting. Or made it so flashlight can automatically spot players in short range if they use normal sights. And scope sights would emit a scope glare when pointing within the scope direction
This kind of ideas is what phantom forces needs, i mean, a little over the top, but i can see some counterplay to force sweats to up their game and give use to unused mechanics
Giving the flashlight a smaller and significantly more focused cone, enough so that it has some use in aiming, would be enough to give it a purpose. It already occupies the same slots as lasers, may as well have it act as a laser alternative.
3:23 Instead of colors i was thing low-med-high intensity flashlights. They would have ranging AOE's, and effectiveness. But would mainly consist of the blinding effect. While your concepts are neat, I don't see any real pratically in a gun attachment. As most of them would struggle to be good in pratice. Since 90% have the counterplay of just shooting the guy. Instead, your debuff could be employed by EM dispersors. Employed like grenades these items these item sit and radiate their AOE over a given range, they can be destroyed by being shot, they are easy to find because they emanate a white noise effect. For the first option, a simple Chaff grenade could be used, but im gonna add an IFF scrambler, inverting enemy and allies one the minimap. The green and blue would be bundled into one as the HUD scrambler. The blue flashlight concept is converted into the F.U.M.B.L.E a device that uses ultra low vibrations to mess with hand-eye coridination. It increase recoil across the board and increases reload ADS and even move speed. Basically feeling likely you're moving in molasses. The Orange is concerted into an EMP device, disabling holos and _Fookin laser sights_ along with all this other nonsense. Notably, flashlights are the only ones to be effected by scopes. Giving them the purpose of flashbanging snipers. Now, instead of the color coordination bonus, another concept simply called signalboosting. Wherein if two generators overlap, they give positive effects to allies. EMF acts like a UAV. NTW20x110, anyone? The HUD jammer lets you see enemy and allies HP and ammo. And Fumble just flat out increases your gun's preformance across the board! You even regen HP faster! Now, you can't have two of these at a time, so it encourages a bit of teamwork.
Instead of spinning the screen, the yellow flashlight should affect recoil recovery and stuff, and for people using scopes where you have to shift to steady, it will sway the camera much more than usual (before they shift to focus)
In cod you could run around with a shotgun equipped with a flashlight to blind everyone you shoot at, this is a good idea, but annoying to go against obviously
Bro took from making flashlights useless to making them unbearably OP 💀 And flashlights blinding your screen will just be more of a nuisance, other games have it and yet nobody uses it for that reason🗿
they should make it work like deadline, so they cant really see the enemy that well, plus it should be able to be seen by other players and toggled on and off
I swear I didn't look at the comments but I think that it would be cool if you were to look at an enemies and ii would makes a white outline around them that any teammate could see
the only mechanic im not fond of is how to get them. im cool with the idea of not being able to prebuy flashlights however i don't really like that you need have the maglight to get them. i think they should be unlocked at 400 kills and up by 200 kills from there. Also i think the maglight shouldn't have its own mechanics rather, it should increase other flashlight ranges. Great video, Even greater idea.
To be honest, this would be extremely infuriating to fight against since it adds some pretty hindering random elements into a game that already had so much randomness built into the loadout system, especially the yellow flashlight concept. Just the blinding light is enough i guess, since being able to make the enemy unable to see a part of their screen at any given time is powerful enough for such a fast paced game. also, like, idk I don’t want to give the server’s most enthusiastic entitled LGBT supporter more leeway.
A person called @bigdued7039 made the following suggestion: "Same AOE idea, but instead of blinding the enemy or messing with their UI, it automatically spots them without needing to press E" Valid idea, but this just replaces the Ballistics Tracker as just a better/cheaper version of BT. So, in adjustment to this, I propose that while it spots enemies, it would reveal your position the entire time you have the gun out - if you switch to a gun that doesnt have a flashlight or a melee that isnt the flashlight, your position is hidden once again but will be revealed -again- constantly when you use the weapon with the flashlight.
A lot of these just sound annoying to play against. If this were to release, you would be put through a constant cycle of these effects by other players, which will get really repetitve and rage inducing. Having an attachment nerf the other player is not the way to go.
Maybe they could also do something about the flashlight and bullet tracers like in real life. It could increase suppression or something just an idea to throw out.
i think it should increase the radius around your cursor that you can spot in, instead of having to point directly you can vaguely spot in their direction, with a 10 degree margin of error.
the original buff idea is a no brainer, but all the other colours seem like questionable game design to me. The only good idea that i can think of that isnt ridiculous is that aiming at a flashlight with a sniper scope causes the light to magnify and blind you from far too
Honestly I'd say let equipping a flashlight extend the amount of time a player is Spotted for while holding that weapon. (Doubling up would make it insane.)
Im gonna be honest, these ideas are nice but too game changing for a game like pf, it would be better if the flashlight added weight to your gun and lowering recoil based on its position, and maybe give it use like the BT but only at a certain range
There’s a great game on Roblox called Deadline, other than having a night mode that some people choose to use flashlights (with the option of NVGs), it also lights up your screen. It’s harder to see the enemy when it’s pointed at you and essentially blinds you if you are wearing NVGs.
Great video my man! however, i believe you could improve upon the flashlight type concept, with those same debuffs and effects, however instead of blue, red and green, make it like, EMP integrated, Tactical, and Special operations? maybe more conventional names and less of a direct bootleg of a laser, hope you do great with this video!
I feel like the lower level flashlights that mess with your ui could be easily countered by people who dont read them, and the high level ones like the yellow seem horrifically annoying. anything that messes with your controls can be hard to balance.
These flashlight colors are just dumb gimmicks that are annoying and will imo just make gunplay feel bad. Another comment that I saw suggests using the flashlight as a way to auto-spot enemies, which I think is way better in terms of providing a reasonable benefit while not downgrading gunplay. A reply in that comment section said that should be saved for a ballistics tracker rework, but I think the ballistics tracker should display the distance from your position to the target that you are aiming at or maybe show the geometry of the map on the radar.
Make a video about Five-0's unreasonable recoil pls. (Ok a bit of context, if you put 9mm in Five-0 it should lower the recoil right? It does, but why it still so high?)
There are 2 things i wonder about your video. First is the MP10 built-in flashlight, what effect will it have, Second is the potato grip which also has a built-in flashlight
I like the idea of reworking Flashlights, but I'm not a fan of the proposed ideas. Biggest issue with the blind mechanic is that madmen can just throw a flashlight on then play rush and forcibly blind you whenever they start a 1v1, which won't be fun. Furthermore, the blind multiplier for scope magnification will make sniping and flashlight user literal hell. If they look at you, your scope is just all white. Not fun nor interactive. I also dislike the colored flashlight mechanics. They're random, unnecessary, or horribly unfun to fight against. Doesn't make sense for a flashlight to break my minimap, and I don't want to have a meta where my reticle is gone, or my screen is rotating whenever someone looks at me. These are indescribably bad mechanics. Take no offense, not meant to be personal. If I had to throw a bone, I'd make flashlights spot enemy players in its AoE to you and your teammates instead of blinding you. I would also let the spot persist when an enemy leaves your AoE, lingering for like a second or two. Very short, but still a nice buff for the user. Also acts as a unique team mechanic. I would also like the AoE to be a cone rather than a circle, would make more sense. I like the different colored flashlights concepts. Let's make *White, Blue, Green, Yellow* and *Red,* each lighting an area in their respective colors. _> _*_White_*_ will be the basic flashlight with a 30 stud AoE. Enemies in the AoE will be spotted, which lingers on them for an additional _*_1.3 seconds_*_ once they leave the AoE._ _> _*_Blue_*_ will have a narrower, longer AoE, spotting enemies as far as 50 studs at the cost of less horizontal coverage. AoE will linger for _*_1.5 seconds_*_ after they leave the AoE._ _> _*_Yellow_*_ will have a wider, shorter AoE, only spotting enemies up to 15 studs. This will be made up by the wide horizontal coverage, bathing any enemies around you in an ugly yellow light. AoE lingers for _*_1.15 seconds_*_ after exiting the AoE._ _> _*_Green_*_ will have a wider, longer AoE, shining up to 40 studs. Enemies will NOT be spotted however. Instead, enemies in the AoE will show up on the minimap for ALL to see, lingering for _*_2.5 seconds_*_ once leaving the AoE._ _> _*_Red_*_ will be narrower and shorter, only reaching to 20 studs, but will spot enemies for longer. When an enemy leaves the AoE, they will remain spotted for a whopping _*_2.25 seconds._* Hope this was interesting.
Some form of the first idea for the flashlight being a weaker flashbang I could see working with some tweaks (to ensure there's fair counter-play and it's not just the one who uses flashlight that wins), but everything else with the colors and stuff seem way too exotic, bizarre, and frankly unrealistic for phantom forces. Sure, there are some bizarre and unrealistic melees, but they don't effect gameplay, they are just cosmetic. It's also not very intuitive or new player friendly, you wouldn't expect your screen to rotate or your ammo count to lie to you because someone was using a weirdly colored flashlight. Also consider what it would be like playing against these flashlights: it wouldn't really add another dimension to the gunfights, it would just be that you get nerfed whenever you happen to be in the AoE of one... and it would give even more reasons to not go CQB with anything other then a shotgun. Seems to me like it would just be an annoyance rather then an interesting gameplay dynamic to actually think about. With the original idea with the flashbang flashlight, I think that could work. For counter-play sake I think it would be a good idea to have the flashlight beam be visible to the enemy team, just not using the dynamic light system but a transparent image (like how Jailbreak does spotlights, if you've seen that), and maybe buff the blinding effect to balance that out. I think something like that could actually add some depth to the gameplay, getting an advantage in head to head combat for aggressive gameplay, but losing stealth. You would think differently about engaging a flashlight-user, trying to figure out where he's looking and flank him with the extra information given.. and the flashlight-user would have to think differently, figuring out how to engage enemies without being expected and being weary of who knows his location.
I dont really care about flashlight much, but i think they should make flashlight to be permanent attachment to every gun in the game and make a button to turn on/off it so it could be useful? But nonetheless the think i want to be in the game is flashbang or smoke bomb, regular grenade already have the smoke particles after the grenade exploded so i hope they could make it deal reallow damage but can blind/cover the player screen with grey smoke
fun fact: stylis briefly was considering having a flashlight rework with the future is bright update. this could mainly be seen in the zombie forces beta testing. i have a vid of it on my channel
The yellow flashlight (or ANY Flashlight at all) might as well make the 40x useless (even when it's already useless) AND give someone motion sickness in SECONDS.
I'd say this is way to convoluted and makes the game all the more complex than it needs to be. A more effective use of a flashlight would be that it spots an enemy inside the AOE.
By the way, have they fixed that BS bug when you can't see anything with certain scopes? I had the issue of some scopes turning completely white due to "sun", despite having literally all settings off. As someone who had to play "flashed" due to that bug, flashlight would be annoying
I don't like the idea of giving the flashlights weird effects that mess with enemy players, because it would feel unfair. Plus, locking the maglight's abilities behind an achievement barrier doesn't change the fact that it's still frustrating to fight and op. I think it's better to just go with the original "flashbang alternative" idea as well as making the crosshair disappear. Useful against snipers and in cqb, but not messing with the enemy ui.
we really need to have a system in the game where you unlock unique attachments and guns with kills. Being able to prebuy everything kind of sucks, and it would give rank 200+ players who have every gun unlocked another incentive to play.
i really like the idea and i could have never thought of anything better, but different colored flashlights would like be a copy and based instead they could be different kind of things like ecm jammers (red and green) and for the blue flashlight there isnt any alternative neither for the yellow imo but ye really good concept now they should add back the equipment and actually make it a thing and imo it could be a bit similar to payday 2's perk decks/skills you select a equipment lets say its a perk deck which if you spot an enemy they will take 10% plus dmg imo that would be good but kinda op anyway idk any other person's thoughts so lmk and if you see this please make a vid about it cuz i wanna know your thoughts on this idea
The tradeoff of flashlights: Glint effect that is seen by enemy players from within a large range when your aim cone hits them, similar to sniper scope glints in some Battlefield games. That way, you have to reconsider using flashlights, especially on maps with extra-long sightlines.
I was thinking that the flashlight, could automatically spot enemy’s, and have each of the effects you stated, but just bit less severe, also, the flashlight could also reduce camera recoil just a bit.
I know this isn't exactly a universal fix to flashlights but i would love some blackout maps or map varients where the lighting setting does not affect and you actually need to use a flashlight to see. This would also give the nightvison scope a purpose
really cool idea but sight magnification doesnt matter when hipfiring which hipfire plays a large role in cqc and these flashlight ideas are obviously cqc, plus the yellow one if designed for snipers makes no sense cause noone is ads'ing a 10x scope cqc and if they are its close enough they wont miss even with the effect of flashlight
You give a yellow flashlight rotation to outplay snipers yet there are a lot of people running with 1.5x and the range on mirage even with 8x wont be 96 studs
nah it should just blind you and like the sight one more but that like effects would be just to complex and not fun think, its a semi casual game, not escape from tarkov
Ik this is a quite overpowered idea, and it might be copied, but I think the red flashlight should have a twist. When your target is in the range of your red flashlight, the enemies radar glitches showing that your teammates are the enemies teammates and so the player will be tricked and yea…
i feel like your original "make it just friggin' uhh blind you i guess" was better then the unhinged three paragraph essay you followed it up with afterwards
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I love it
I don't think the different colors would be realistic, but instead we could have flashlights that just give off a very bright light and basically acts like a constant, worse flashbang as you said in the start of the video
we could have multiple (white) flashlights with different AOEs, higher AOE makes the handling/reload/ads/movement slower for balancing
i would come back to phantom forces
Great ideas, though some needs changing.
those affects to other players are a bit eehh imo. (in the way that it's a bit too game breaking, imagine some setups pairing lazers and flashlights together. This could end up being quite op.)
Stylis does need to make the flashlight useful though, it's begging for it.
You forgot to mention that i'm sure there's no way the flashlight would still be unlocked from 0 kills after these changes (I'm sure you'd agree with me.)
Hey Moon! Just wanted to drop in, maybe the flashlight changes could be a part of an entire new gamemode named "Exclusion Delusion" where certain guns are disabled, but the enabled ones have unique abilities that aid the user or harm the enemy, alongside each light/laser attachment having their own special changes. Or the more assumable and likely route, Stylis may add this but tweak the abilities to make it less annoying to fight against.
Edit: some guns are going to be hella meta if this idea becomes real, so abilities can't be too broken (example being an auto-spot AoE around you)
My personal idea for a flashlight rework:
Same AOE idea, but instead of blinding the enemy or messing with their UI, it automatically spots them without needing to press E
That should be for a ballistics tracker rework
That's a great idea
Damn I would love that
that would make it very useful, but maybe adding in a slight flash wouldn't be bad either just nothing that blinds them
blinding makes more sense tho, in cod that's the function of flashlight attachment
A lot of good ideas in this video, I've been working on a similar video to this one over the last week and I'm excited to see how our ideas on this mesh together. As longtime players, I think PF could use some serious reworks but would greatly benefit the game over time 🎉
They could lower recoil very slightly , after all the heavier the gun the less kick . The maglight would slightly decreases mobility for slightly lower recoil due to its weight . The blinding mechanic could be made better by making the light visible from range thus giving you a cqc advantage while making you very noticeable from range . Lastly they could auto spot enemies in your line of sight up to a range
In my opinion the yellow one needs a completely different idea, as it might give people motion sickness and as someone who has a rare phobia of spinning objects, this would be a nightmare for me.
so if someone starts spinning a top you get scared
@@magpineapple Its a bit complicated, but most things that are in a spinning or repeatedly swinging motion cause me a burst of nervousness and slight panic for a few minutes.
What a nice special debuff
My take is just making the player hallucinate enemies that cant be interacted with for up to 5 seconds after flash. 1 second of exposure is required for the max 5 sec, so 0.2 sec is 1 second.
this is just what i need, not only to affect my enemies character but also to affect them in real life
blinding idea is honestly the only good one in my opinion, but someone mentioned it automatically spotting people which I think is a great idea too
tbh flashlights are really only useful if there was a really dark map in the game, whether you have shaders on or off. other than that it can be detrimental cus it can alert people to your location
tbh the solution you came up with was really good tho
couldn't have thought of it myself lmao
I absolutely love this rework idea! Blinding enemies is such an Airsoft CQB thing to do, but let's add the option to have switch pads like in Zero Hour.
Where the light will turn on or off depending if the player is ADS-ing or firing from the hip.
i think the orange flashlight should disable steady aim and make the screen shake more when the enemy is aiming, make the screen spin is pretty strange and it will confuse new players.
would be a terrible mechanic and would be unfun
Only problem with removing the red dot sights is the homemade sight, it technically doesn’t have a red dot as it’s just painted one there
It'll be considered as "iron sight" if that's gonna be the case.
what if a cool animation played where the red dot breaks off
A lot of people forget that there were night maps during one of the Halloween events a few years ago, actually made torches and the night vision scope useful, that was such a fun event and made gameplay feel different for once. Bring back night maps!
Honestly i would make the in-game night much darker, removed day/light cycle setting.
Or made it so flashlight can automatically spot players in short range if they use normal sights.
And scope sights would emit a scope glare when pointing within the scope direction
This kind of ideas is what phantom forces needs, i mean, a little over the top, but i can see some counterplay to force sweats to up their game and give use to unused mechanics
it should blind people and spot them and also it would be better if there were some maps where you can't see properly without a flashlight
Giving the flashlight a smaller and significantly more focused cone, enough so that it has some use in aiming, would be enough to give it a purpose. It already occupies the same slots as lasers, may as well have it act as a laser alternative.
3:23
Instead of colors i was thing low-med-high intensity flashlights.
They would have ranging AOE's, and effectiveness. But would mainly consist of the blinding effect. While your concepts are neat, I don't see any real pratically in a gun attachment. As most of them would struggle to be good in pratice. Since 90% have the counterplay of just shooting the guy.
Instead, your debuff could be employed by EM dispersors.
Employed like grenades these items these item sit and radiate their AOE over a given range, they can be destroyed by being shot, they are easy to find because they emanate a white noise effect.
For the first option, a simple Chaff grenade could be used, but im gonna add an IFF scrambler, inverting enemy and allies one the minimap.
The green and blue would be bundled into one as the HUD scrambler.
The blue flashlight concept is converted into the F.U.M.B.L.E a device that uses ultra low vibrations to mess with hand-eye coridination. It increase recoil across the board and increases reload ADS and even move speed. Basically feeling likely you're moving in molasses.
The Orange is concerted into an EMP device, disabling holos and _Fookin laser sights_ along with all this other nonsense.
Notably, flashlights are the only ones to be effected by scopes. Giving them the purpose of flashbanging snipers.
Now, instead of the color coordination bonus, another concept simply called signalboosting.
Wherein if two generators overlap, they give positive effects to allies.
EMF acts like a UAV. NTW20x110, anyone?
The HUD jammer lets you see enemy and allies HP and ammo.
And Fumble just flat out increases your gun's preformance across the board! You even regen HP faster!
Now, you can't have two of these at a time, so it encourages a bit of teamwork.
can we appreciate how every video he's making is edited so good
So the flashlight will work like scope glare like with snipers
i think that's a good way, makes you visible to everyone but who you look at, sorta like tarkov
Bro literally has TOO MUCH free time, this is so creative! Hopefully stylis consider something like these
Instead of spinning the screen, the yellow flashlight should affect recoil recovery and stuff, and for people using scopes where you have to shift to steady, it will sway the camera much more than usual (before they shift to focus)
In cod you could run around with a shotgun equipped with a flashlight to blind everyone you shoot at, this is a good idea, but annoying to go against obviously
Bro took from making flashlights useless to making them unbearably OP 💀
And flashlights blinding your screen will just be more of a nuisance, other games have it and yet nobody uses it for that reason🗿
they should make it work like deadline, so they cant really see the enemy that well, plus it should be able to be seen by other players and toggled on and off
i like the arch productions editing style, keep it up
The halloween update DID have a map that was so dark you required a flashlight and it was both the warehouse and metro maps
coloured flashlights is a shit idea, just have the single basic flashlight with the ability to blind people, no need for these EMP esque ideas
There is a part on a map where if you use ur scope you get completely blinded by the sun. I see this rework as a thing
Fun Fact: I was holding a maglite while looking for videos to watch (some reason), and then watched this entire video holding a maglite.
radar jammer but in a flashlight ????? I love it
I swear I didn't look at the comments but I think that it would be cool if you were to look at an enemies and ii would makes a white outline around them that any teammate could see
the only mechanic im not fond of is how to get them. im cool with the idea of not being able to prebuy flashlights however i don't really like that you need have the maglight to get them. i think they should be unlocked at 400 kills and up by 200 kills from there. Also i think the maglight shouldn't have its own mechanics rather, it should increase other flashlight ranges.
Great video, Even greater idea.
Should add from a distance with a flash like you can see a white glow
And lasers light impact being visible
It's a flashlight, not a hacking device
Everything thing. Sounds cool. Expect for the set bonuses. Tf2 covers exactly why it was a bad idea.
To be honest, this would be extremely infuriating to fight against since it adds some pretty hindering random elements into a game that already had so much randomness built into the loadout system, especially the yellow flashlight concept.
Just the blinding light is enough i guess, since being able to make the enemy unable to see a part of their screen at any given time is powerful enough for such a fast paced game.
also, like, idk I don’t want to give the server’s most enthusiastic entitled LGBT supporter more leeway.
Bro you should be a creator and help. The flashlight idea is insane love the idea
Ballistic Tracker should show us the distance we're aiming at, updates every second and you need to unscope to see it on the side of your gun
“Niche micro-celebrity”😂😂😂 so sad but so accurate
Best damn idea I've seen in a while... Stylis should really think about adding this to the game👌(great vid by the way😅)
A person called @bigdued7039 made the following suggestion:
"Same AOE idea, but instead of blinding the enemy or messing with their UI, it automatically spots them without needing to press E"
Valid idea, but this just replaces the Ballistics Tracker as just a better/cheaper version of BT. So, in adjustment to this, I propose that while it spots enemies, it would reveal your position the entire time you have the gun out - if you switch to a gun that doesnt have a flashlight or a melee that isnt the flashlight, your position is hidden once again but will be revealed -again- constantly when you use the weapon with the flashlight.
A lot of these just sound annoying to play against. If this were to release, you would be put through a constant cycle of these effects by other players, which will get really repetitve and rage inducing. Having an attachment nerf the other player is not the way to go.
I find the idea verry cool and probably meta changing, tho me being colorblind, that will be a really hard mechanic for me to handle x3
Maybe they could also do something about the flashlight and bullet tracers like in real life. It could increase suppression or something just an idea to throw out.
i think it should increase the radius around your cursor that you can spot in, instead of having to point directly you can vaguely spot in their direction, with a 10 degree margin of error.
the original buff idea is a no brainer, but all the other colours seem like questionable game design to me. The only good idea that i can think of that isnt ridiculous is that aiming at a flashlight with a sniper scope causes the light to magnify and blind you from far too
Honestly I'd say let equipping a flashlight extend the amount of time a player is Spotted for while holding that weapon. (Doubling up would make it insane.)
Im gonna be honest, these ideas are nice but too game changing for a game like pf, it would be better if the flashlight added weight to your gun and lowering recoil based on its position, and maybe give it use like the BT but only at a certain range
how would this rework function with guns that have built in flashlights, such as the mp10
i mean most of the halloween 2020 maps required you to use a flashlight
it would be cool if we brought a map like those ones into the main game
What if Stylis has a Phasmophobia Halloween Event were the main utility is flashlight to see invisible players in order to survive?
Great Ideas
Ok I agree that the flashlight should obscure the enemy screen but not the whole glitching ui
something similar to this is the flashlight in criminality, it completely blinds your opponent
I think just having it be like a tarkov esque flashlight would be better
Or just keep the same one flashlight but make them work like in Tarkov
If you use certain bloxstrap shaders flashlights are a necessity
this is an insane idea. phantom forces please ADD THIS.
The only thing i thought about when i first see this is frederick franz fazbear
There’s a great game on Roblox called Deadline, other than having a night mode that some people choose to use flashlights (with the option of NVGs), it also lights up your screen. It’s harder to see the enemy when it’s pointed at you and essentially blinds you if you are wearing NVGs.
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Is this buff happen i gonna do speedrun go blind any%
I think that flashlight could just only blind yourself and depending on the color.
Great video my man! however, i believe you could improve upon the flashlight type concept, with those same debuffs and effects, however instead of blue, red and green, make it like, EMP integrated, Tactical, and Special operations? maybe more conventional names and less of a direct bootleg of a laser, hope you do great with this video!
In some games I’ve seen they make it so flashlights auto ping enemies.
I feel like the lower level flashlights that mess with your ui could be easily countered by people who dont read them, and the high level ones like the yellow seem horrifically annoying. anything that messes with your controls can be hard to balance.
These flashlight colors are just dumb gimmicks that are annoying and will imo just make gunplay feel bad. Another comment that I saw suggests using the flashlight as a way to auto-spot enemies, which I think is way better in terms of providing a reasonable benefit while not downgrading gunplay. A reply in that comment section said that should be saved for a ballistics tracker rework, but I think the ballistics tracker should display the distance from your position to the target that you are aiming at or maybe show the geometry of the map on the radar.
Cool concept! But, TBH, I would probably stop playing the game If Stylis added this
Make a video about Five-0's unreasonable recoil pls.
(Ok a bit of context, if you put 9mm in Five-0 it should lower the recoil right? It does, but why it still so high?)
We need this now
How would yellow lasers be reworked considering they're a laser/light combo
the good old escape from tarkov treatment
There are 2 things i wonder about your video. First is the MP10 built-in flashlight, what effect will it have, Second is the potato grip which also has a built-in flashlight
I like the idea of reworking Flashlights, but I'm not a fan of the proposed ideas.
Biggest issue with the blind mechanic is that madmen can just throw a flashlight on then play rush and forcibly blind you whenever they start a 1v1, which won't be fun. Furthermore, the blind multiplier for scope magnification will make sniping and flashlight user literal hell. If they look at you, your scope is just all white. Not fun nor interactive.
I also dislike the colored flashlight mechanics. They're random, unnecessary, or horribly unfun to fight against. Doesn't make sense for a flashlight to break my minimap, and I don't want to have a meta where my reticle is gone, or my screen is rotating whenever someone looks at me. These are indescribably bad mechanics. Take no offense, not meant to be personal.
If I had to throw a bone, I'd make flashlights spot enemy players in its AoE to you and your teammates instead of blinding you. I would also let the spot persist when an enemy leaves your AoE, lingering for like a second or two. Very short, but still a nice buff for the user. Also acts as a unique team mechanic. I would also like the AoE to be a cone rather than a circle, would make more sense. I like the different colored flashlights concepts. Let's make *White, Blue, Green, Yellow* and *Red,* each lighting an area in their respective colors.
_> _*_White_*_ will be the basic flashlight with a 30 stud AoE. Enemies in the AoE will be spotted, which lingers on them for an additional _*_1.3 seconds_*_ once they leave the AoE._
_> _*_Blue_*_ will have a narrower, longer AoE, spotting enemies as far as 50 studs at the cost of less horizontal coverage. AoE will linger for _*_1.5 seconds_*_ after they leave the AoE._
_> _*_Yellow_*_ will have a wider, shorter AoE, only spotting enemies up to 15 studs. This will be made up by the wide horizontal coverage, bathing any enemies around you in an ugly yellow light. AoE lingers for _*_1.15 seconds_*_ after exiting the AoE._
_> _*_Green_*_ will have a wider, longer AoE, shining up to 40 studs. Enemies will NOT be spotted however. Instead, enemies in the AoE will show up on the minimap for ALL to see, lingering for _*_2.5 seconds_*_ once leaving the AoE._
_> _*_Red_*_ will be narrower and shorter, only reaching to 20 studs, but will spot enemies for longer. When an enemy leaves the AoE, they will remain spotted for a whopping _*_2.25 seconds._*
Hope this was interesting.
Idk i just use it to make my guns look extra tacticringe and also a placeholder for the "other" attachment slot and im not a big fan of lasers
Some form of the first idea for the flashlight being a weaker flashbang I could see working with some tweaks (to ensure there's fair counter-play and it's not just the one who uses flashlight that wins), but everything else with the colors and stuff seem way too exotic, bizarre, and frankly unrealistic for phantom forces. Sure, there are some bizarre and unrealistic melees, but they don't effect gameplay, they are just cosmetic. It's also not very intuitive or new player friendly, you wouldn't expect your screen to rotate or your ammo count to lie to you because someone was using a weirdly colored flashlight. Also consider what it would be like playing against these flashlights: it wouldn't really add another dimension to the gunfights, it would just be that you get nerfed whenever you happen to be in the AoE of one... and it would give even more reasons to not go CQB with anything other then a shotgun. Seems to me like it would just be an annoyance rather then an interesting gameplay dynamic to actually think about.
With the original idea with the flashbang flashlight, I think that could work. For counter-play sake I think it would be a good idea to have the flashlight beam be visible to the enemy team, just not using the dynamic light system but a transparent image (like how Jailbreak does spotlights, if you've seen that), and maybe buff the blinding effect to balance that out. I think something like that could actually add some depth to the gameplay, getting an advantage in head to head combat for aggressive gameplay, but losing stealth. You would think differently about engaging a flashlight-user, trying to figure out where he's looking and flank him with the extra information given.. and the flashlight-user would have to think differently, figuring out how to engage enemies without being expected and being weary of who knows his location.
I dont really care about flashlight much, but i think they should make flashlight to be permanent attachment to every gun in the game and make a button to turn on/off it so it could be useful? But nonetheless the think i want to be in the game is flashbang or smoke bomb, regular grenade already have the smoke particles after the grenade exploded so i hope they could make it deal reallow damage but can blind/cover the player screen with grey smoke
this is genius! hope stylis adds this!
Would you be able to stack the color coordination bonus?
fun fact: stylis briefly was considering having a flashlight rework with the future is bright update. this could mainly be seen in the zombie forces beta testing. i have a vid of it on my channel
The yellow flashlight (or ANY Flashlight at all) might as well make the 40x useless (even when it's already useless) AND give someone motion sickness in SECONDS.
I feel like this changes the game too much, personally i think flashlights should just automatically E to spot players without making you point.
I'd say this is way to convoluted and makes the game all the more complex than it needs to be. A more effective use of a flashlight would be that it spots an enemy inside the AOE.
I think the Yellow Flashlight would just give the enemy player suffer increased Suppression Radius. The camera rotate is just too much to experience.
By the way, have they fixed that BS bug when you can't see anything with certain scopes? I had the issue of some scopes turning completely white due to "sun", despite having literally all settings off.
As someone who had to play "flashed" due to that bug, flashlight would be annoying
I don't like the idea of giving the flashlights weird effects that mess with enemy players, because it would feel unfair. Plus, locking the maglight's abilities behind an achievement barrier doesn't change the fact that it's still frustrating to fight and op. I think it's better to just go with the original "flashbang alternative" idea as well as making the crosshair disappear. Useful against snipers and in cqb, but not messing with the enemy ui.
we really need to have a system in the game where you unlock unique attachments and guns with kills. Being able to prebuy everything kind of sucks, and it would give rank 200+ players who have every gun unlocked another incentive to play.
i really like the idea and i could have never thought of anything better, but different colored flashlights would like be a copy and based instead they could be different kind of things like ecm jammers (red and green) and for the blue flashlight there isnt any alternative neither for the yellow imo but ye really good concept now they should add back the equipment and actually make it a thing and imo it could be a bit similar to payday 2's perk decks/skills you select a equipment lets say its a perk deck which if you spot an enemy they will take 10% plus dmg imo that would be good but kinda op anyway idk any other person's thoughts so lmk and if you see this please make a vid about it cuz i wanna know your thoughts on this idea
Honestly flaslight should automatically spot people in range
The tradeoff of flashlights: Glint effect that is seen by enemy players from within a large range when your aim cone hits them, similar to sniper scope glints in some Battlefield games. That way, you have to reconsider using flashlights, especially on maps with extra-long sightlines.
I was thinking that the flashlight, could automatically spot enemy’s, and have each of the effects you stated, but just bit less severe, also, the flashlight could also reduce camera recoil just a bit.
I know this isn't exactly a universal fix to flashlights but i would love some blackout maps or map varients where the lighting setting does not affect and you actually need to use a flashlight to see. This would also give the nightvison scope a purpose
really cool idea but sight magnification doesnt matter when hipfiring which hipfire plays a large role in cqc and these flashlight ideas are obviously cqc, plus the yellow one if designed for snipers makes no sense cause noone is ads'ing a 10x scope cqc and if they are its close enough they wont miss even with the effect of flashlight
You give a yellow flashlight rotation to outplay snipers yet there are a lot of people running with 1.5x and the range on mirage even with 8x wont be 96 studs
Mr Moon. I love you, but i dont agree with this video. As others have said the flashlight should give a spotting buff. But i do respect your opinion
nah it should just blind you and like the sight one more but that like effects would be just to complex and not fun
think, its a semi casual game, not escape from tarkov
Ik this is a quite overpowered idea, and it might be copied, but I think the red flashlight should have a twist. When your target is in the range of your red flashlight, the enemies radar glitches showing that your teammates are the enemies teammates and so the player will be tricked and yea…
i feel like your original "make it just friggin' uhh blind you i guess" was better then the unhinged three paragraph essay you followed it up with afterwards
This would be so cancer to actually play when you consider the fact that every single person would use a flashlight (or like 3)
People gonna use flashlight variant more than laser variant, plus more of snipers' best attachment when getting cqc
That would be annoying as hell to play against. Would be better if stylis just made some new dark maps or something