How Modernity is Causing the Birth Rate to Collapse | Louise Perry
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- Опубликовано: 5 май 2024
- In this clip, Louise Perry examines the reasons for a global birth rate collapse which she argues is a result of modernity.
Louise Perry is a journalist and author based in London, UK. She is a columnist for UnHerd, a featured writer for the Daily Mail, and hosts Maiden Mother Matriarch, a podcast about sexual politics.
Louise is the author of the landmark book, 'The Case Against the Sexual Revolution: A New Guide to Sex in the 21st Century,' published by Polity."
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The richest countries in the entire history persuade their young adults that they can't afford children.
Weird.
Because they can’t.
@@emanym Our ancestors were dirt poor and had tons of kids. Young people today just don't want to sacrifice their cushy lifestyles.
@@Stoddardian Is that a bad thing?
@@chuckscott-cy7iq Is what a bad thing?
@@Stoddardian
Not wanting to sacrifice a cushy lifestyle.
I was born in 1990 in Canada and assumed the best life for me would be staying in school, going to university, travelling abroad plenty, moving to a city for a cheap apartment and to start my career, and then get married and have kids once I could afford to buy a house. I was always focused on advancing my career and finding the "perfect" husband first (because who you have kids with is such a major anxiety indicing decision). My parents always told me to do all these things while I still had time, so I wouldn't miss out once I was saddled with kids. Well I'm 34 now and after all that, I'm single and unemployment right now living with my grandma and still waiting for the perfect situation to have kids in. I'm not sure if I will now, I'd have to get back to work and find the perfect mate first 😅
It is a culture obsessed with instant gratification
Way back in the 60's I worked for a couple of years in rural Africa... essentially with hunter/gatherer level culture. Thinking back, the message i missed then was how mentally well balanced they were. Utterly poor, but completely rich in social harmony. Mental health was a non issue, they had communal security.
This is what we have completely lost in rich western urban culture. It certainly doesn't occur naturally growing up and living in concrete city silo's. Small town and rural there is still some level of community.
Plenty of sane people about. We call them ",conservatives". Some people have different genes. They are going extinct.
Then you go live there and leave the rest of us alone please
That's because inequality is the source of why the kids are depressed. It is very much so now because they are on their phones all day looking at rich people who get paid to brag about how rich they are. If you are a hunter gatherer you are pretty much the same as everyone else unless you found a cool rock or something then I guess your hunting buddies can be a little jealous over that but it is nowhere never the exponential levels we have.
@Jake-mv7yo How many times have you heard a teenager say " I'm depressed because some random stranger is a billionaire". Never happens. Even those with left wing views don't say that. They're all whining about the end of the world coming, or not being able to get a boyfriend/girlfriend or not being able to get a flat.
It's not as if they make a secret if this -it's all over social media. You must be living in a fantasy bubble of your own creation.
Western urban culture is lost because housing is in crisis, it's unaffordable relative to income. Once upon a time a man with a full time job with less than a college level could afford a decent home and an automobile. It may not have been spectacular but it was better than anything the socialist nations could offer and (by today's standards) almost princely. Today rent is unaffordable and that's where the system came crashing down: the most basic and immediate human need is shelter, take that away and you have control: that's what governments have done: oh and by the way look at the taxes after all that where they end up going, for socialised bailouts of large corporations and big (not small) banks.
Our society wants us to spend 4 unpaid hours a day in traffic so we can all show up to work and leave at the same arbitrary time and force our kids to go and get bullied at school every day. It's radical but that's the sort of thing that needs to change before people will start wanting to have kids again.
@Whatifalthistory has done a video on our population collapse, and suggested that COnservative, countryside communities are the ones that have maintained societies over millenia, because, well...
_"It takes a village"_
There's a reason that's a phrase.
Correct 👍🏼
What modern women think men want: Kim Kardashian
What any true man wants in a woman: Louise Perry.
What a wonderfully aerodyte, and elegant woman. Please listen to her.
Do you mean "erudite"?
@@arthurbriand2175
You couldn't resit that one . I dont blame you though. Perhaps its an ability to glide from a height?
Louise is such a good guest, could listen to her all day. Top work John.
In 1950, human population 2.3 billion. In 2024, 8.2 billion. A correction was inevitable. Global capitalism was always going to eat its own lunch.
The irony is how everyone comments on how the lower birth rate means fewer young workers to exploit in the social welfare state.
But child mortality (under 5) has fallen. In the US is it was 100 per 1000 births in 1930 and now it is in the single digit. In any case, children are now all expense, whereas in the past they at an early age became an asset to the farm. So people have fewer children but invest more in them with the "college for all", etc. And now, in the West, to have children is to lose most rights under the state intervention of "for the good the children". Live a childless life or live under the boot of the social worker or family court judge.
"As Malthus argued, the only force strong enough to stand against the biological desire to mate and have children, was the even stronger social desire to live comfortably and avoid poverty." --Invention of the Modern World, Alan Macfarlane
Great comment! Why is it that discussions about low birthrates inevitably hand-wring over the "plight" of shortsighted retirees?
@@oskartheme5233 A telling observation from 1952 USA:
"The increasingly successful war against infectious diseases had brought about during the nineteen-forties a great increase in the number of old people,...
Meanwhile the jump in the birth rate was beginning by 1950 to swamp an already overcrowded elementary school system, and threatened to do so increasingly for many years to come. So it was that as the nineteen-fifties began, Americans in their wage-earning years were faced with the prospect of having to support, in one way or another, more human creatures senior and junior to themselves than ever before in recent history."
Allen, Frederick Lewis. The Big Change: America Transforms Itself, 1900-1950 (1952)...
@@jkbrown5496 Burning the candle from both ends.
Ah yes the people in castles blame the peasants for not breeding on lifestyle and not their greed squeezing the working class. This book will have nothing to offer but pointing the finger down at the people with the least power.
Exactly. I've seen her sit around in fancy rooms with powerful men harping on about how working class people need to breed more when if she had a clue she'd realise how expensive it is for people these days. It's almost a caricature of the elite but it's unironic.
No, it's not the peasants that need to breed, it's the upper classes and wealthy.
Good luck collecting your pension in old age when they will point fingers at the childless elderly who are partial free-riders. They will have "Plan 75" available for you then. See the movie, it's the future.
It comes down to the definition of what poverty is in of itself and the miscalculation of what is truly valuable. If you know how to survive without society then you are rich. rich people are not rich if they don’t know to survive without society. A mansion without electricity, water, or heat/air conditioning is pretty useless to a modern person. The truth is we got spoiled and comfortable. And then we also get less skilled and capable and therefore more dependent on the government and society and then we want to mate with the perfect person because the amount of hard ship modern people will stomach is lower and lower. This population collapse is pretty inevitable but maybe it will lead to a complete reformation of what we consider truly valuable.
you need to factor in feminism which has alienated women from men with their attitude of woman can be ( eg career only), that men are predators, unrealistic standards and expectation of what men have to be for women eg the sixes, nevermind that marriage/LTR is now risky thanks to the legal system when you can very easily lose your kids and have them alienated from the non custody parent...
add to all that the costs of shelter, raising children, depressed wages( thanks to excessive immigration) etc
Life is pain. Why not at least dedicate the pain to something that brings joy.
Don't think everyone wants to live in pain and misery.
My joy is waking up 4 days a week to walk to the beach, eating fruits in the streets of the carribean where I purchased a home cash. 😊
Excited about this one. Best guest in a while. Drop it already....
Modernity? “An Essay on the Principle of Population” was published in 1798. That’s the book which discussed how to Reduce the Surplus Population.
its a "the tragedy of the commons," phenomenon. My not having children, single motherhood, divorce doesn't matter. Yes it does because the bad behaviour of the few if there is no repercussions can lead to a cancer in society.
This needs to be looked at in more detail as some populations seem immune to this process. Israel has an increasing population but some demographics within countries are experiencing rising birth rates. In Western nations it seems to be mostly those on welfare that are experiencing this.
Most of the people on welfare are not even citizens.
Israel is THE exception, but then, they have loads of hardcore orthodox jews which has to have a major effect. Also, the only subgroups in the west with real high birthrates are Mormons, Amish and other super religious cohorts like them. Generally, everywhere but Africa has low rates, incl all of Asia. Even India is at replacement and will drop below any day now.
In the UK there has been a decline in teen mothers and single mothers since they government changed welfare in 2012.
Surveys on religion show 95% of Mormons and Muslims have children, 80% of Catholics and Episcopolians and just 50% of atheists.
Feminists have for a long time suffered from low birth rates.
The implication of this is that people with left wing views of one kind or another are dying out. Thus shows up in the stats where just 40% of the Laboir Party vote is coming from native British people, and the Labour supporting tabloid newspaper The Daily Mirror has seen a slow decline from 6million in the 60s to close to nothing today. It will be gone entirely by 2035. As will the Guardian newspaper and the BBC.
Everything is going to change in 2035.
Of course. Since religious belief and a Conservative world view is down to genetics, when those who are not religious and not conservative go extinct, there's no coming back. I just hope they aren't doing anything important - but probably not.
The two trends are related
Don't worry, the future Moslem descendants will inherit Britain and will be quite pleased with the nation the modern westerner leaves them, same thing with France. So it is not all for nothing.
And what will they do with it? Far too busy living off the indigenous, currently. When China take the top position, they won't have time or toletence for Islam.
and then when they take over they become the same corrupt system they're trying to flee
@@Surreptitious_1China has low fertility as well only Africa and the Middle East is the future the desert tribes.
@@Surreptitious_1China's birth rate is falling as well. They will also be replaced by muslim community by then.
Great meaningful conversation
Latin Mass Catholics, Hasidic Jews, the Amish and some Mormons FTW
if demographics is destiny the future will be TLM catholic, Muslim countries and hasidic Israel.
And conservative Protestants.
@@jlandles Like the quiverfull movement? That particular movement doesn't seem large enough, or broad enough to survive in the long run. Let me know if you're seeing something else on the ground (at your particular church or wherever) because I would be very curious to see something within mainstream Protestantism that looks like it has legs to run. But my understanding of Protestant family ideals is that very few families have more than three children, whereas at my Catholic parish three children seems to be the minimum...and within the Amish communities five kids seems to be the standard.
Not only TLM Catholics, but observant N.O. Catholics involved in strong parishes still have 6+.
Anderson always talk to those he agrees with. It. is time to take the plunge is to talkto those with ideas that are different to his he can learn more things he never thought of.
If all the aborted children were living instead, what would be the birth rates in countries?
Why were there less children being born? Because they weren't allowed to be born.
The birth rates would by sky high, filling up the jail cells, drug clinics, and mental hospitals.
That's hard to quantify, as a small number of women tend to have a large number of abortions. Those same women would be far more careful if abortion wasn't an option and would almost certainly not have more than 1 child. Worse those children would not be born into good family structures, meaning they are less likely to become productive members of society. In addition, the fertility rate is plummeting, people are meeting their life partners later in life when they are naturally less fertile, people are choosing to have fewer children as it is so expensive and it is harder to meet your life partner (in some countries there are too many men, too many with autism etc) so more and more people are remaining single. This is multifaceted, and not good.
Just say what you mean, you're freaked out because less WHITE PEOPLE are being born. World population is ONLY NOW starting to level off and decline from its eye watering apex a few years ago. Why not support family planning programs for developing countries if that freaks you out so much? Your methods aren't even aligned with your goals 😂😂😂
I'm not sure of the exact numbers off the top of my head, but I believe there have been around 60 million abortions in the U.S. since the 70's. Coincidentally (or perhaps not) I also believe that's around the same number of migrants they've had in the same amount of time.
@@skylinefever You are not wrong, but if it was illegal, women and men would probably be more particular about who they slept with.
Why would anyone want to bring a child into this world where it’s just full of woe. Poor child will just suffer.
Interesting how there are those who wanted to lower births. Now people are saying...uh oh!
It's just evolution. People that bought heavily into "modern" thinking -atheists, feminists, radical.feminists, teen mums, single mums - these are the ones that stopped having babies in 2012. The more conservative, traditional folk just carried on as they had done for thousands of years.
Since both religious belief and conservative worldviews are related to our genes, those that don't have these genes and fail to reproduce as a result will go completely extinct, removing their own genes from the gene pool.
The outcome of this will be a future which is more conservative, more moral and more religious - forever.
Yes you have a point but there are also some serious obstacles today which wasn't there in previous generations that prevent people who want to have kids, not able to have kids.
Yes to what you said about conservatives but this lack of children is a wealthy country problem. China, South Korea and Japan are in a dire situation. South Korea is projected to go extinct in 100 years. So the phenomenon is a little bit more perplexing than conservative attitudes. To me wealth creates spoiled citizens and child rearing is difficult. The more comfortable you get the more you tend to avoid difficulty. You also have attitudes that keep postponing marriage and child rearing because everyone is looking for the perfect person because they have so many options now whereas most of human history was arranged marriages of two teenagers or you had kids with your first love who you met in the village your apart of. Now there is no village and everyone hustling to have careers and yet very few people are skilled enough to survive without society. The rural people have the advantage clearly. Cause they don’t need modern things and they have the skills to be the ones likely to survive a societal collapse. I’m probably a goner lol
@whatshappening3327 I can guarantee that NONE of these countries will go extinct. There are people having children and some that are not. Whatever the reason, the "weak" people that are not having babies will simply go extinct and the "strong" will thrive. The genes of the strong will be carried through to the next generation and there's no.reason at present to believe they won't continue to thrive in the next generation.
And conservatives are the once who are cauisng the divorce epidemic and the entire degeneracy with it. Single mother homes are caused by conservative not liberals.
Perry speculates that the falling birthrate is something to do with urbanisation. I agree but would take it a little further: in a rural setting, a family can do the work necessary to feed, house and sustain themselves while also looking after children. In an urban setting where you must go and work in a factory or an office, you can't. You have to either pay someone else to care for them, or sacrifice your income until they reach school-age. This is a huge and often prohibitive loss. After all, it's not like your mortgage payments stop for five years at the same time.
Or, the boomers made it economically impossible for the young to afford children 👧 😮😢
Raising children is hard work and human's are becoming lazier as technology provides everything for us in abundence.
I understand her direction but i disagree. I think the sole factors are modern feminism and high costs of living. Women are the choosers and men are the seekers, especially when it comes to committing to marriage and parenthood. It is societies influence on modern women, telling them that motherhood is a bad option that created this problem and tough economic times that did the convincing. America IS society and we forget that our influence has far reaching consequences. Many secular societies don't have social safeguards against modern BS. This equals birthrate collapse.
John grew up where parents needed kids enough to open and close fram gates, collect and cut fire wood and other menial chores. 5,7,9+ child families were around in the 1970's in rural Australia.
How much it's now?
I'm fortunately not part of those who contribute to demographic Winter.
Fertility is decreasing too irrespective of whether someone *wants* to have kids, they may not be physically able to have them.
And "unwanted" pregnancies will be less for the same reason
Where did you get that nonsense?
There is an attempt now to normalise fertility difficulties and skirt around what a problem it is. Big harma have a lot to answer to.
@misse909 The only fertility problem is sending 56% of women to university, hanging a £60k millstone of debt around their neck and then looking surprised when they've left it too late to look for a man and start a family.
@@PGHEngineer
Fertility amongst men and women is being diminished in many species because of endocrine disrupting forever chemical pollution
@@PGHEngineer
You can find plenty of information, news and research about "endocrine disrupting" chemicals if you want to.
You know how to use a search engine, right?
This is 100% on western women and as with everything that western women champion it has turned to failure. There are zero success stories about anything western women champion. Zero. None. Not even one.
Concurred.
Feminism = Sisterhood of Perpetual Victimhood
Not all women are made the same. Due to genetic differences, people's worldviews differ. This is evolution, not extinction.
@@PGHEngineer What are you trying to say here? It sounds like a Kamala Harris word salad.
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Look up the science of memetics. Then look up the genetic influences on voting preferences. Then the genetic influence in being religious or not.
Now, it turns out that 40% of people are conservative because they are genetically predisposed to be conservative. 40% of people are genetically pre-,disposed to be religious. It turns out that the religious conservatives are more likely to marry early, stay married and have children. This leads to a differential rate of reproduction between left wing post-modernists vs traditional religious Conservatives. Differential rates of reproduction due to underlying genetic differences leads to evolution.
If you want it in even simpler terms, one day the Amish will have taken over the world.
I see depopukation as by design, many factors are being pushed to create it.
first off to have or not have children is a personal choice an couples are making are making these choices to based on their circumstances. Secondly here in the US growing number of those individuals choosing not have children are largely those 55+. In fact I've come into contact with many of those individuals in that age group who say they quite happy with the decision not have children because of the trade-offs invovled.
Then a section of people complain always that the immigrants are taking over lands and selecting their own govt. by using man power voting. Why?
A world with one billion people sounds good to me .
I look forward to reading Louise' new book.
We are animals. What
makes animals stop having children? Lack of resources and dangers!
Lack of resources is clearly not an issue.
So what is left is that our women does not feel safe.
men don't feel safe either with the way no fault divorce laws are set up in the west
and yet they must be safer than most of human history. Maybe just maybe their threshold for dealing with fear is lower because their lives are better. I mean hunter and gatherer societies definitely weren’t very safe lol
Yea sure, keep blaming others. And not the women themselves who won’t listen to men and so read choose to believe in the lies of the snake, such as communism and feminism.
How are they not safe? #metoo has made men more afraid to approach them than ever before.
No subject is taught as poorly as family skills. Even the churches won't talk about it.
It’s not about consumerism. It’s just expensive and therefore exhausting to raise kids these days.
Rich people: you kids need to make better choices and stop needlessly spending your money if you want to be successful. Embrace austerity, work hard, embrace frugality!
Millennials/Gen Z: ok kids are definitely expensive we won’t have any, plus we don’t want them to be broke too abd we’re working too much to be able to take care of them properly anyway.
Rich people: … THE AUDACITY
Lousie Perry
The moralistic take is the wrong one here. People want kids but the expense has grown relative to other expenses and the social fabric that helped you (and your children) handle the burden of raising a child has collapsed. Read about cost disease and the urban crisis.
I'm not even sure what the point of preaching child rearing to 'hedonists' would be, if that's all they are.
Russia 🇷🇺 gave monetary incentives for their citizens to have more children and it did increase their population.
Give incentives for couples to have more children and to bring them up themselves, instead of leaving them in childcare with strangers who don’t love them.
Even IT companies are asking their staff to head back to offices; it's more about control rather than efficiency. Capitalism is great but great wealth and power has been funneled upwards into the hands of a limited group of people such that the middle class feels squeezed. In my Asia side of the world, many get married in their 30s after school and getting a stable job for the sake of financial security. Biologically it's a decade too late and a good number of women have to use IVF in order to bear children. The social evolution is too fast for biology to catch up, we have lost that village support we used to have. Moreover now it takes 2 incomes to feel comfortable & kids are 20+ year projects. So no surprise that the middle class is not reproducing to replacement rate.
I honestly don't think this upperclass, well to do lady has a clue how people are trying to make ends meet in the real world.
People do not want to bring kids up in poverty.....simple....we can't bloody afford to live never mind bring kids into the world.
Prior to 1895 the average westerner lived below the poverty line yet somehow managed to rear large families. In refugee camps one can find lots of children even though everyone is on the brink of starvation. Think we've lost something in the West, sadly.
We lost seeing any point in having kids.
birth rates plummet as soon as you start herding women into the workforce and higher education. look at the actual data
China , of course, had a limit on children, because of its famous huge population. So, that’s why their birthrate fell recently.
SO , How Many Children does Louise , I Wonder ?
Yeah! Cause if she doesn't have kids we can ignore demographics!
@@jlandles ?
@@jimmyhvy2277think she has one and is currently expecting her second.
Louise and her husband are expecting their 2nd child, I think.
People dont want to live on the edge of poverty and women became picky as conditions improved
Atleast Elon Musk walks the talk and has lots of kids. As opposed to other rich people who only talk about why others should have more kids.
Oversocializing men and women no mens spaces
5:41 Tu câți copii aii facut????
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John Anderson and his wife have 5 children.
Louise Perry and her husband are expecting their 2nd child, as far as I can gather.
30 to 54 I was a fairly happy dad. Son committed suicide. 55 to 70 it’s been great, now part time in Philippines, subsistence culture, shared kids in 2 family household, some time in Hawaii. Life with childless partner is good. Let’s help people bring up the more than enough kids in the world right now. Think of Gaza for example. Suburban house car marriage and kids is simply a bad fit for this era of massive climate change and political right wing rubbish.
Wow does she regret not having kids
People stop having kids when they move away from rural areas because there isn't space to have them. Rural hovels might be small, but there is a lot of open space for kids to exist. Now, the entire stretch from New Hampshire to Virginia is a concrete scar visible from space. Other major metros are the same. Most of the remaining land in North America is uninhabitable because it is desert, mountain, tundra, or used in agriculture. Where are we supposed to have kids, when we can't even get an apartment without a dozen roommates? We're living in Soylent Green.
Is she going to pay my bills? No? Then she can keep her recommendations to herself. I won't spend my money on this.
Lol. Since when does one have to pay for your “bills” in order to voice an opinion?
How many kids does she have?
Women! Do your duty!
I contend that a more convincing slogan would be, “Men and women, do your duty, together!”
People are to9 poor the have kids
Women’s rights are the main cause imo.
Women have many rights/privileges in the West which they don’t have in Africa for example. In Africa though, the women know how to have children.
Go and look up their mortality rate especially among 15-17 girls giving birth. Maybe then you will be more concerned.
Que comentário idiota machista!
Whenever you give women rights without responsibilities.
we are overpopulated.
This has been disproven.
Funny that women at the age of 32 and having only one child , make philosophies regarding birth rate)))) Foots on ground ? Credibility?
Islam is still right 👍 They'll win as demographics is destiny..
Dar o sa moara de foame.....când albii vor dispărea..... Că nu le place munca!
I believe you. The biblical horses in the apocalypse in book of revelation all match the flag colors of countries that surround isreal. We will probably all be forced to accept a mark of the Islam beast before Christ's 2nd coming. I wonder if the writing or symbol of Allah in Arabic resemble 3-6's
Birth rates in Islamic countries are falling off a cliff too. Islamic populations in western countries are above replacement but falling too. I think Israel is one of the few places with increasing birth rates.
@@GriffinParke Yeah but that's because they're fighting the same Cultural Marxists/Communists as the West..
@philstabler6650 They'll be the British army 🪖 over time..
JESUS SAID ONE MAN ONE WOMAN MARRIAGE ❤