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  • @fian9
    @fian9 Год назад +1648

    The problem with hog is not that he punishes you for being out of position, it's that he punishes you for being remotely in the fight.

    • @Real_MisterSir
      @Real_MisterSir Год назад +120

      Hog's problem is that he's ONLY useful on one single condition: Landing his hooks. That means his entire reason to exist is literally to one-tap people. I mean, whenever a Hog misses a hook everyone just walks over him, he does so little to actually contest or protect space. He can survive, sure, but he's not a threat and he doesn't really do anything except land lycky one-taps once a blue moon and then rely on his hook for the rest of the fight.
      This was tolerable with 2-tank lineup in OW1 where Hog's job was hard space denial and flank contest since he could rely on his maintank to hold the frontline during hog's downtime. But with only one tank in OW2 Hog just feels so bad to play and play against. All he is is a walking hook on a cooldown, and a fat blob when he has used it.

    • @CowSaver-yc3nj
      @CowSaver-yc3nj Год назад +18

      @@Real_MisterSir thats definetly true i noticed that whenever a hog misses a shot and gets targetted by even 2 players its over super quick even when popping his heal and finding cover.

    • @enriquemeza6335
      @enriquemeza6335 Год назад +8

      Green lantern sucks, the corp as a whole. Most powerful weapon in the universe and they keep getting beat lol

    • @decomposies
      @decomposies Год назад +25

      me as support, being hooked through all my teammates ,watching the replay still wondering how he got me.

    • @VonSnuggles1412
      @VonSnuggles1412 Год назад +51

      he punishes you for deciding to play overwatch

  • @Nyxtia
    @Nyxtia Год назад +2459

    No way the Hogocaust denier picked Reaper to demonstrate Rein's one shot

    • @kleber1157
      @kleber1157 Год назад +613

      Hogcaust denier is fucking gold holy shit lmao

    • @dushanov9353
      @dushanov9353 Год назад +239

      Hogocaust lmao, like how do you even come up with this

    • @boiofbois4232
      @boiofbois4232 Год назад +1

      The supports are the Jews

    • @paytonyoder1260
      @paytonyoder1260 Год назад +47

      The comment asked for a combo. Not a one shot. That would be why reaper was picked. Since everybody is conflating combos with one shots it’s easy to understand why you think they are the same thing.

    • @RandoStaRR
      @RandoStaRR Год назад +69

      @@paytonyoder1260 Is hog's hook a 'combo'? Because thats what the comment he was referring to was talking about

  • @FaultStrider
    @FaultStrider Год назад +734

    TikToker bragging about how skilled he is on Sojourn:
    *fires railgun directly into Sigma vortex*

    • @fettbub92
      @fettbub92 Год назад +45

      Sojourn: "I'm gonna do what's called a 'pro gamer' move."

    • @Help_MehL3
      @Help_MehL3 Год назад +33

      It's GO time

    • @smashkid9196
      @smashkid9196 Год назад +11

      Don’t forget the vortex thingy around 17:47

    • @naturalliving6795
      @naturalliving6795 Год назад +5

      @@smashkid9196 yea😂 fires their vortex into the wall in front of them. what a bot

    • @UndoTitano
      @UndoTitano Год назад

      Even at bronze I can avoid this XD

  • @lopsidedanxiety4190
    @lopsidedanxiety4190 Год назад +173

    3:05 "so badly positioned as he saw where you were" ah yes position is bad if hog can see you, that sounds like a fair point, apparently, I fucked up when hog decides to open his eyes

    • @marxmanw3877
      @marxmanw3877 Год назад +34

      Fr, what are these hog defenders. All in silver and gold I bet.

    • @rasmachris94
      @rasmachris94 Год назад +22

      Obviously, just sit in spawn because that's the safest spot.
      Yeah i dont see how anyone can say these things with any degree of seriousness.
      Bad positioning is when you're isolated from your team, out in the open or some combination of the two. You should be punished for that.
      If you have enough skill and it's a 1v1 you should also be able to outplay the punishment to some extent. Punishment does not equal instant death.
      You should not be punished for standing near your tank and getting pulled 30m across the map to an instant death.

    • @mochabean5042
      @mochabean5042 Год назад

      @@marxmanw3877 i'm pretty sure they're just trolling to get engagement tbh lol

    • @GummyDinosaursify
      @GummyDinosaursify Год назад

      @@marxmanw3877 They're people who want to play Widow, but dont have the aiming skills.

    • @sthepcorms6747
      @sthepcorms6747 Год назад

      @@marxmanw3877 He's gold

  • @dudeman1359
    @dudeman1359 Год назад +279

    Love how the sojourn guy ends the TikTok with “y’all just have a skill issue” while shooting his disruptor into the wall in front of him

    • @Julia-vo7iv
      @Julia-vo7iv Год назад +16

      YEAH I NOTICED THAT it’s like bro ik we all have our moments but maybe don’t choose to call everyone who doesn’t like Sojourn bad while missing a simple ability

    • @naturalliving6795
      @naturalliving6795 Год назад +19

      literal bot, any person flexing gold guns in ow came straight from cod and we do not want them here.

    • @KillerQueenDopamine
      @KillerQueenDopamine Год назад +2

      That was fucking hilarious

  • @deathclawking8055
    @deathclawking8055 Год назад +432

    Why do hog apologists look like the stereotype of a hog player

    • @hg_aneh
      @hg_aneh Год назад +35

      I was literally about to comment this lmao.

    • @genesisosuna
      @genesisosuna Год назад +10

      They all look the same. It's hilarious.

    • @Zee-xb9zm
      @Zee-xb9zm Год назад +5

      Some kinda even look like him

    • @ainulvr9808
      @ainulvr9808 Год назад +1

      Because it´s a stereotype for a reason

    • @josuenegron1729
      @josuenegron1729 Год назад

      LMAO YOU RIGHT THOUGH 💀

  • @YanAde
    @YanAde Год назад +378

    the irony of hog players saying "just respect his effective range" while playing a character that doesn't have to respect anyone else's effective range is lost on them.

    • @YanAde
      @YanAde Год назад +45

      "Just don't ever be in your OWN effective range against a character with 700 hp damage reduction knockback reduction and healing! forehead"

    • @Lh0000
      @Lh0000 Год назад +11

      “Just get Gud lmao” -hog player’s after hard CCing the enemy dps and one tapping them before they are physically capable of reacting.

    • @KillerQueenDopamine
      @KillerQueenDopamine Год назад +2

      His effective range seems to change daily 😅

    • @theonetheycallheadspace2899
      @theonetheycallheadspace2899 Год назад +6

      @@KillerQueenDopamine somewhere between 20-infinity meters

    • @Ross516
      @Ross516 Год назад +1

      @@KillerQueenDopamine his effective range is hooking you whole you're in illos and hes on havana

  • @Swootles
    @Swootles Год назад +93

    "Reaper does not counter most tanks." *Proceeds to dump entire clip into Matrix*

  • @Taratorial
    @Taratorial Год назад +441

    My favourite thing about the Rein pin video isn't that Reaper can easily survive it, it isn't that it's a stupid point anyway (as Flats explained), it's that the Rein went over the edge and was falling to his death.

    • @rasmachris94
      @rasmachris94 Год назад +40

      Yeah "It's super easy to one shot with other tanks, just die to maybe get it!"

    • @meowcow21
      @meowcow21 Год назад +1

      Well it said 2 moves so pin and primary

    • @isaacsimpson8098
      @isaacsimpson8098 Год назад +27

      @@meowcow21 yeah but hog doesn't have to kill himself for it

    • @VonSnuggles1412
      @VonSnuggles1412 Год назад +4

      @@isaacsimpson8098 also don't forget Hog has more range than Rein. All Rein gets are 2 fire strikes on cool downs but outside of that he's all melee and getting that pin and living can be, and is quite the effort. While hog can still land fairly decent damaging headshots outside of his normal range with his alt fire, only having to stop and reload, while having a hook that allows him to stay comfortable with his team or wherever he is, with no risk to himself and securing a one shot, or if he's around a teammate having someone clean up for him.

    • @SSoul0
      @SSoul0 Год назад

      isnt Flats also straw manning the pin argument too? they said 2 moves which in fact rein got that kill with two moves. I get why Hog is a huge problem but Flats didnt argue in good faith either for the 2nd clip.

  • @jttitan5915
    @jttitan5915 Год назад +165

    Love how flats turned a rant about soj being hella strong into a reason why hog is too strong, mans had hog for so long he's started seeing him in other heroes lol

    • @treasuredquartz
      @treasuredquartz Год назад +24

      They both One-Shot was his point.
      They both can easily get away with it.
      They both also have a lot of One-Shot uptime.

    • @jttitan5915
      @jttitan5915 Год назад +4

      @@treasuredquartz I am aware, I just find it funny that soj is so broken that she's comparable to hog

  • @defenem73
    @defenem73 Год назад +398

    Sigma: needs to wind up rock and the rock is thrown at an angle
    Rein: needs to charge himself to get that pin kill
    Hog: hook is nearly instantaneous, travels at a straight line, makes the target come to him instead of the other way around like rein, can walk away and heal with damage reduction.
    Solution: nerf humanium

    • @astupidlylongnamethatstoolong
      @astupidlylongnamethatstoolong Год назад +26

      And the rock has some slow projectile speed, so its really only effective close range, even then is relatively easy to juke.
      While hog hook isnt instantaneous, it travels FASTER than everything rein owns. It comes out hella fast, like 0.16s and travels 40m per second for a max range of 20. SO IT TAKES 0.5S TO TRAVEL FROM HOG TO YOU AT MAX RANGE + 0.3S for it to hook anyone back. So you're stunned for effectively 0.5s (stun timer + hook return).
      For reference, a rein charge for 225 damage takes 0.6s to cast, gives a 200% movespeed buff during charge on a 5.5meter per second walking speed. And it would still be slower than a hog hook by 3/4ths of the speed. Why is that even allowed?????

    • @soullessging2210
      @soullessging2210 Год назад +4

      What if they changed it to where he had to charge his hook up before throwing it, with an audio cue of idk metal clanging or something

    • @soullessging2210
      @soullessging2210 Год назад +1

      Like a 1-3 second charge up for his hook throw

    • @astupidlylongnamethatstoolong
      @astupidlylongnamethatstoolong Год назад +7

      @@soullessging2210 The argument by the Hogocaust deniers is that they say that will make him increasingly predictable and thus rendering him useless.

    • @Sauced_Egg
      @Sauced_Egg Год назад +2

      Nah bro nerf genji

  • @Flooding474
    @Flooding474 Год назад +79

    "Just don't hook. Just don't hook." That's what I chant to avoid being hooked. You gotta take the power from Hog.

  • @iron_serpent_2293
    @iron_serpent_2293 Год назад +480

    Man I love these videos. Flats reacting to bad takes on tik tok is kind of entertaining to watch

    • @domenergy10
      @domenergy10 Год назад +3

      Same, I don't even play OW

    • @mayitakeyourhatsir8632
      @mayitakeyourhatsir8632 Год назад +15

      It's always fun to hear some absolute blasphemy get dismantled by someone that actually knows what they're talking about

    • @padarousou
      @padarousou Год назад +6

      And its great because Tik Tok naturally is filled with bad takes so he has endless content supply

  • @AnymMusic
    @AnymMusic Год назад +57

    honestly people seem to forget Hog's hook has a 20 METER RANGE, which in turn, creates a 40 meter across circle around him where you just can't be ever because if you do go in that circle, you're dead. Imagine if Rein or JQ had a 40 meter death circle, people would lose their minds

    • @astupidlylongnamethatstoolong
      @astupidlylongnamethatstoolong Год назад +16

      Also fun fact, the hook comes out at 0.16s, you have very little time to react to that pointblank. On top of that, it travels at 40m per sec. So it comes out fast, and hits fast at a very respectful (not lul) range of 40 meter across.
      Rein charge takes 0.6s to cast, and travels at like 15m or less per second (not sure if its 11m per second or 16.5m per second, anyways still slower)
      Like, come on man. How is this even fair. Hog hook comes out fast and deletes 300 hp targets with ease from absolute safety. Meanwhile rein if he ever used charge will be punished to hell and back.

    • @AnymMusic
      @AnymMusic Год назад +5

      @@astupidlylongnamethatstoolong exacty. It's like hog defenders can't even do basic math or comprehend why Rein's "one-shot" is more fair compared to Mr Oink & Yoink

    • @Lh0000
      @Lh0000 Год назад

      This isn’t to mention that properly executed the one shot combo is almost completely impossible to react to on your end. Not just the hook, ALL OF IT is unreactable, the second the hook hits you already lost, no saving through, no skilled work around, you just die.

    • @astupidlylongnamethatstoolong
      @astupidlylongnamethatstoolong Год назад +4

      @@AnymMusic the worst part is that im not even considering the full combo of, right click hook, shoot, melee.

  • @SandwichWhisperer
    @SandwichWhisperer Год назад +137

    People really need to understand that characters that force you to play the entire game differently because they can instantly delete you if you look at them the wrong way is inherently not good for the game

    • @harryrobinson5735
      @harryrobinson5735 Год назад

      Very good way to sum it up

    • @kybalerton2608
      @kybalerton2608 Год назад +1

      Makes me think of bastion in low ranks. My friends complain about the last second bastion swap in overtime everytime it happens

    • @padarousou
      @padarousou Год назад +4

      Widow and hanzo are fine tho

    • @gurimisenpai2358
      @gurimisenpai2358 Год назад +12

      @@kybalerton2608 Tbh you don't need to play around so much against Bastions.
      They don't have the ability to pull you out of cover and into them is the neat thing.
      So you can just peek shoot them to death or just completely ignore them if you're in good cover spots.
      Hog however- doesn't give a shit.
      If he sees you, you're probably dead.

    • @astupidlylongnamethatstoolong
      @astupidlylongnamethatstoolong Год назад +2

      @@gurimisenpai2358 People also don't understand how easy it is to deal with a Bastion. Turret form or not, he has an inherent weakness that holds him back, his big ass hitbox. It is incredibly easy to get a bastion to back off of turret form if everyone started to look at him for a second. Yeah sure, lower ranks don't understand how to deal with bastion, thats true just about every hero you can slot in for them. But once they climb, bastion is nothing but a risky tank deleter.

  • @AnnetteGAMING
    @AnnetteGAMING Год назад +40

    I want all the Zen players to know.. that they can just run away from the hook.. ✨💀

    • @kingjotaro9420
      @kingjotaro9420 Год назад +4

      Fr honestly a skill issue💀🙏

    • @astupidlylongnamethatstoolong
      @astupidlylongnamethatstoolong Год назад +3

      Istg zen has a bigger ass hitbox compared to every other 200 hp heroes.

    • @ezno5416
      @ezno5416 Год назад

      Spoken like someone who has no idea how immobile Zen really is 🥲

    • @GummyDinosaursify
      @GummyDinosaursify Год назад +8

      @@ezno5416 /r/whoosh

    • @ezno5416
      @ezno5416 Год назад

      @@GummyDinosaursify
      Just because I understand the joke doesn't mean I have to go along with it 💀

  • @CadeCraze
    @CadeCraze Год назад +123

    I was tempted to make a tiktok account to post actually correct Overwatch content but I don't think I could handle the skull emoji comments.

    • @wib9525
      @wib9525 Год назад +29

      True 💀💀💀

    • @Backfisch5927
      @Backfisch5927 Год назад +29

      Goofy ahhh skull emoji💀💀💀💀

    • @ninjablaze2016
      @ninjablaze2016 Год назад +33

      comments really be like
      Bro does this dude even know what he is talking about 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

    • @RandoStaRR
      @RandoStaRR Год назад +6

      💀💀👽💀💀

    • @dereivid7151
      @dereivid7151 Год назад +4

      FR FR ☠️

  • @SoloEmperor-ry8xf
    @SoloEmperor-ry8xf Год назад +4

    I love how the go to thing for hog is just “GeT BeTtEr” like dude I got hooked from the back of my team.

    • @ihopeyouandicanbefriends
      @ihopeyouandicanbefriends Год назад +1

      no just get better. don't even peak ever just hide behind walls and run away if you hear hog footsteps it's that simple

    • @astupidlylongnamethatstoolong
      @astupidlylongnamethatstoolong Год назад +1

      @@ihopeyouandicanbefriends Just swap to sombra, play invisible always and teleport if you think he looks at you 4head. Or play pharah mercy and never get close l m a o /s

    • @ruta_VA
      @ruta_VA Год назад

      true at this point i'm just gonna stop playing the game to counter the enemy roadhog ez

  • @thereallylargeknome7461
    @thereallylargeknome7461 Год назад +15

    Rein Pinning a squishy means there's an opportunity to potentially punish an out-of-position rein. Hog Hooking a squishy means you need to burn your cds so that they don't immediately get negated.

  • @Snake3169
    @Snake3169 Год назад +334

    As a dps and support main, I wish I knew I could just run from the hook.

    • @red-handed4862
      @red-handed4862 Год назад +34

      yeah, man i found that out and instantly climbed from bronze 5 to GM 1!

    • @VonSnuggles1412
      @VonSnuggles1412 Год назад +5

      it's like Soundsmith said with market gardening in TF2 "don't like getting gardened don't back up. While it's technically true, it undermines the effort required to get there" or something similar to that

    • @ccricers
      @ccricers Год назад +14

      Most hog players just yeet their hook in the general direction of a fight and often hook a target other than the intended one. That's how I get pulled in as a support.

    • @astupidlylongnamethatstoolong
      @astupidlylongnamethatstoolong Год назад +11

      @@ccricers As someone who's coping as Hog (with how shit rein is) this is accurate. I just toss it in the general direction and get 50-75% hook accuracy. Its so fucking charitable that it feels like it has triple the rein pin hitbox.

  • @granddaddy_funk
    @granddaddy_funk Год назад +5

    That thing about revenge is so true. It even works in real life like in sparring or fighting. If you hit someone with a leg kick for example, they often retaliate wit a leg kick. So if you know they are that type of fighter/player you can set them up for a counter

  • @YonkoJ
    @YonkoJ Год назад +10

    “ the reaper lived, the REEEEEEEEE” I’m rolling

  • @jordanplanas176
    @jordanplanas176 Год назад +11

    1:16 reminded me of this match I had yesterday. I was playing Rammatra and the enemy tank was a Rein and they just solely focused on trying to get me. They would ignore the DPS that would walk past, and wouldn't bother to protect whoever was behind them. 1.5 - 2 minutes into the match I had over 5k damage while they barely had 1k. It got to a point where I would walk backwards and lead them away because they were so desperate to finally get a kill of me that they would walk away from their entire group, leaving his team completely vulnerable. They were also so desperate to get a kill that their shatter became extremely easy to read and I would shield it constantly.

  • @EBlue9978
    @EBlue9978 Год назад +162

    I don't think he understands how much we love seeing these videos. 1 view, 11 likes. It's going to be good

    • @Febrezeaire
      @Febrezeaire Год назад +1

      its an auto like before even watching it 😂

  • @myneighborturgtoro1539
    @myneighborturgtoro1539 Год назад +16

    *Insert David Attenborough voiceover* And here we see the wild Hog player emerge from his pen to defend his hero because he knows with a nerf he will no longer be broken and everyone else will be able to enjoy playing. No more the words 'just get better" would be spoken and the depleted Hog player shall return to his mud pen and much like a bear will go into hibernation and disappear when the inevitable nerf arrives.

  • @AetherPanda
    @AetherPanda Год назад +3

    fun fact about the battle of olympus event, lucio's booping people off the map doesnt count towards our score for the statue so we got robbed

    • @Lh0000
      @Lh0000 Год назад

      Yeah if they counted those unironicallly I think lucio would win.

  • @rejardiolin
    @rejardiolin Год назад +2

    "people want revenge if you kill them 2-3 times" unless you play mercy then once is more than enough to induce rage HAHA

  • @nailinthefashion
    @nailinthefashion Год назад +20

    There's something so whimsical about naming him Herald instead of Harold

  • @agentz4695
    @agentz4695 Год назад +5

    Gotta love Flats trying to calm chat down when they start freaking out after bringing up light mode.

  • @kingsarues1586
    @kingsarues1586 Год назад +5

    I love denying roadhogs oneshot and not being able to punish him because he has an ability that makes him borderline unkillable. Then he has his hook back.

    • @ihopeyouandicanbefriends
      @ihopeyouandicanbefriends Год назад +3

      the bullshit I've PERSONALLY lived through as hog when playing him like 3 or 4 out of the 5 enemy players shooting at me at once and me living through it all that stupid broken healing ability, it's actually ridiculous how braindead easy hog is as a character

  • @Reubs03
    @Reubs03 Год назад +41

    For me there’s no better feeling than getting revenge on widow, moira and junkrat in that order

    • @nailinthefashion
      @nailinthefashion Год назад +5

      For me it's the reverse order since I'm on consoles

    • @katsdraws
      @katsdraws Год назад +1

      I love how junk and Moira are probably getting kills on you without trying and you’re somehow the most mad at the one it takes actually skill to get kills with

    • @nailinthefashion
      @nailinthefashion Год назад +1

      @@katsdraws no exactly lmfao Widow players make my bi body vibrate

    • @kingjotaro9420
      @kingjotaro9420 Год назад +2

      @@katsdraws it takes skill yh but at least the junkrat and Moira are near you so there was smth you could've done how am I supposed to feel watching a clip of someone dink my head from 500m away

    • @katsdraws
      @katsdraws Год назад

      @@kingjotaro9420 impressed? That’s normally how I feel. Incredibly hard shot to hit, especially a head shot. But getting killed by a junkrat spam or random Moira damage orb from across the map will always feel worse and more frustrating then someone landing a skillful and difficult shot

  • @mykaljh
    @mykaljh Год назад +5

    After he charged the reaper I realized it HAS to be rage bait

  • @mag1ckyle799
    @mag1ckyle799 Год назад +5

    Love how he pins the reaper into a wall off the map to prove his point when there's literally a wall 2 inches away in the other direction.

  • @halloweagle957
    @halloweagle957 Год назад +10

    I get so frustrated when people say Hog doesn't need a nerf. I often pair up with my brother and we're support mains, we got so fed up with getting one shotted, I learned Orisa just so I could deal with the countless hogs. I now queue Tank when pairing up with my brother, so I can protect my supports.

    • @rasmachris94
      @rasmachris94 Год назад +4

      And that's exactly what the meta centres around.
      Because hog is so broken right now, you are obligated to either play him or Orisa to have the best chance at winning.
      That means that supports and dps are centred around killing hog/orisa and sustaining them. It's really stale.
      The people claiming that he isnt broken and he doesnt need a nerf are only saying that because they play him and it's inflated their rank.

    • @ChimpRevolution
      @ChimpRevolution Год назад +2

      @@rasmachris94 On god dude. I honestly hate playing orisa but had to learn her because every game a dumbass pig walks out. I usually play Winston and if I win first fight the pig walks out and I pretty much have to switch unless the hog is straight garbage because of how bad a matchup it is for monkey and I need to help my supports

    • @astupidlylongnamethatstoolong
      @astupidlylongnamethatstoolong Год назад +1

      @@ChimpRevolution I like playing Orisa, and my god is it still insufferable to just look at Hog THE ENTIRE GAME.

    • @tragedy8365
      @tragedy8365 Год назад

      @@rasmachris94 meta is sojourn, hog gets picked to counter her. If they don’t nerf sojourn to the ground next patch but do so with hog the game will be worse then it is already.

  • @bismarck4872
    @bismarck4872 Год назад +4

    Bro, I'm gonna feast on Hog main salt when his one-shot is gone.

  • @nerdstorma8427
    @nerdstorma8427 Год назад +2

    I'm never gonna let a hog player tell me I'm bad again when they're playing the laziest character who gets free one shot and total immunity through self heal, AND THEY STILL aren't being proactive

    • @Lh0000
      @Lh0000 Год назад +2

      I have legitimately had someone say “hog diff” to me.. like BRUH, this isn’t a Dif it’s you abusing a blatantly overpowered hero.

  • @shard135
    @shard135 Год назад +19

    I still believe kiriko having a cleanse is a problem and will cause many issues and debate about other characters in the future since it remove the ability to counter strong characters with status

    • @matthewvest5191
      @matthewvest5191 Год назад +1

      Well the problem is now things like Ana Nade is being buffed to counter the cleanse power so if cleanse is removed then other characters will have to change with that as well

    • @shard135
      @shard135 Год назад +5

      @@matthewvest5191 yeah but introducing a cleanse mechanic was a very big mistake imo and it will really cause issues or limit future character designs like for exemple now they can't really use self heal as a mechanic anymore for tanks or we ll have the roadhog issue coming back

    • @matthewvest5191
      @matthewvest5191 Год назад

      @@shard135 Well, it depends, but I will mention that with the support revamp that will be happening that may very well end up changing as well

    • @GaussianEntity
      @GaussianEntity Год назад +1

      Cleanse isn't the issue. It's the invulnerability. Cleanse is actually decent utility but giving invul to low HP targets is a bit much

    • @astupidlylongnamethatstoolong
      @astupidlylongnamethatstoolong Год назад +2

      @@GaussianEntity I would even hazard to say it isnt even cleanse or temporary invulnerability. Zarya Hog wasnt ever a combo in Overwatch 1, zarya bubbles effectively did the same thing for hog as with a kiriko, just no heals from it. Yet it never became a meta strategy. I would say the change to 1 tank allowed hog to flourish, the nerf to zarya made her less popular on top of playstyle change made zarya selfish with her bubbles meant that anytime a hog gets a hook, it becomes harder to deny it or to prevent it in the first place. On top of that, shield tanks falling out of favour for the most part. Rein shield was relatively effective at denying hooks, Sigma shield as well with some prediction on hook times. Also the fact that, hog just kinda 1v1s most tanks? I cannot think of a tank that has an advantage against hog outside of Orisa. Those are my takes at least.

  • @boredblueyes1963
    @boredblueyes1963 Год назад +2

    5:00 My favourite part about this, is Hog's hook has the same range and 3x the speed of Widow's grapple. You know, the thing the people complain about the sniper having too much mobility with, but it's on a shorter cololdown.

  • @FrogPondering
    @FrogPondering Год назад +2

    In the competitive pokemon community they use the term Checks aswell as Counters
    Counters being, something scary comes out, you throw your counter in, the counter should win assuming RNG doesn't get in the way.
    Check being, you're not "guaranteed" to beat it outright, but using it correctly to play around the scary thing you can use your check to well, keep it in check.

    • @Lh0000
      @Lh0000 Год назад

      Yeah sojourn and hog are the equivalent of Ubers Pokémon being left in OU, and it’s ridiculous

  • @karsalesman4382
    @karsalesman4382 Год назад +4

    the reaper hitting shift out of pin comment made me think what if they made the shooting after hook animation take a tad longer so people with escape abilites (ex tracer reaper moira) can just save their abilities to keep themseleves alive from hook

  • @braedenalexander7204
    @braedenalexander7204 Год назад +10

    I think they should do what they did with open queue to 6v6 so we can choose if we want to play 5v5 or 6v6 and also have a gamemode that has 2cp so the new players can suffer like how we used to… 😂

    • @Lh0000
      @Lh0000 Год назад

      Yeah I’m not fully sure how it would crack out, wasn’t here for OW1 but I’d totally give 6v6 a shot

  • @liathedoll
    @liathedoll Год назад +2

    Hog doesn’t need a nerf bc the solider was flanking, it is bc his heal is too good and he can hook you from another damn reality.

  • @moek25
    @moek25 Год назад +2

    Rein's pin has a cast delay, a travel delay, exposes himself to the enemy team, gets him out of position, and Rein has no way to heal and reduce damage after he goes in like that
    Hog has a small delay, it travels fast, it doesn't expose him, in fact even if the Hog is bad and doesn't one shot you he puts u in the middle of his team, and if he gets focused he just heals and runs

    • @moek25
      @moek25 Год назад +1

      I'm kinda new to the game, but in that little time I have dodged Rein with FUCKING SPRINT, meanwhile Hog caught me many times in the middle of Mccree's roll with that funky hitbox

  • @shaynemartin3473
    @shaynemartin3473 Год назад +14

    Nice haircut flats. I love your content and it’s definitely improving my gameplay all around keep up the great vids!

  • @mindmadeit
    @mindmadeit Год назад +5

    Love the vids flats, was wondering if you have made a video yet about the different types of team comps in ow like rush/spam/moth etc, going over what characters fit those comps and what maps work best with what comps etc. if not could be a great video for new players! Keep up the great work!

  • @CoinGoblin97
    @CoinGoblin97 Год назад +1

    I used to do something similar on hog where id make people think the hook was coming with a melee. Then when they attempt to jump away the hook was almost free

  • @daintyonion
    @daintyonion Год назад +1

    Idk why the tea kettle phasing in over you laughing has me dying but it does lmao

  • @alexanderblundell2557
    @alexanderblundell2557 Год назад +4

    i swear flats has such a contagious laugh lmaooo

  • @crownysuccubus1524
    @crownysuccubus1524 Год назад +7

    Yeah, it sucks that Sojourn is the type of character I've been wanting to play for years and have been looking forward to playing her. And then I have to feel guilty because she comes out busted.
    Went through the same thing with Brig. I wanted to play a "Healing Reinhardt" since OW1 launched, then she came out and everybody hated her.

    • @ccricers
      @ccricers Год назад

      Same when playing Sombra for the first time.

    • @haydenfisher1387
      @haydenfisher1387 Год назад +2

      Playing Guilty Gear introduced me to the adage of “every characters I don’t main is probably cracked” or something like that

  • @zekeharris6839
    @zekeharris6839 Год назад +1

    The amount of times I’ve been yoinked from behind my entire team even though hog “punishes out positioned players”

  • @onyxsky13
    @onyxsky13 Год назад +1

    "Don’t stand in front of him" 💀

  • @dandlex2704
    @dandlex2704 Год назад +3

    2:19
    Me when I got caught flanking ( Sitting in the backline of my team ) by myself as soldier ( I was playing Zenyatta grouped together with my team) and roadhog did his job ( blindly aimed his hook into my team, that out of all the people grabbed me from the back bc the hook is longer then the eiffel tower and then one shotted me leaving my team with one less player without roadhog needing to move from his position and risking himself ) : 😐😐😐😐

  • @Our_Remedy
    @Our_Remedy Год назад +3

    Hog isn't just unfair because you can get one shot by him (he would be unfair because of just that anyways). But you basically have to kill him twice thanks to his heal.

  • @simmysingh7859
    @simmysingh7859 Год назад +2

    My boy Flats always uploads around dinner time when I need a vid to watch. GOAT🙌

  • @HoboJoe10000
    @HoboJoe10000 Год назад +2

    Dude on Soldier I just sprint away from the enemy bullets and I'm literally immortal and have never been killed in the history of Overwatch.

  • @user-cl4yu9tn3u
    @user-cl4yu9tn3u Год назад +6

    The hog nerf cant come soon enough, because its needed AND so i can play the funny fat pig man without feeling shit on by every content creator and player. My only hope is they learn from the last time they removed the 1 shot and give him some team play maybe

  • @PurpleNoir
    @PurpleNoir Год назад +11

    1:35 I know EXACTLY what flats is talking about; I was being hunted down on repeat as Mercy by an enemy Soldier, next round I swapped Moira and proceeded to dunk on him 😂

    • @GoldenKirby
      @GoldenKirby Год назад

      You were on Mercy, it was justified.
      Also sounds like lowelo

    • @brghid
      @brghid Год назад

      @@GoldenKirby say that to the top 500 mercy's, say that to flats who has a famous video of him talking about how the best mercy's positioning is unkillable. if you have good DPS (or even if you don't) her movement and dmg boost is incredible.

    • @GoldenKirby
      @GoldenKirby Год назад

      @brghid i know
      and i hate them too
      the character kit is lame as hell

  • @days1182
    @days1182 Год назад +1

    7:16 bro shot his whole mag into the matrix and expected to kill the dva

  • @Ross516
    @Ross516 Год назад +1

    Flats getting yelled at for light mode reddit is so fucking funny

  • @allstarwoo4
    @allstarwoo4 Год назад +3

    Here's how you deal with Hogs defenders. Ignore them. Most Hog defenders only like him for his one shot ability. As a reminder Hog is a great anti dive tank. So every time they complain that he'd be useless without his one shot it's probably because they only play him for the one shot.

  • @hades2659
    @hades2659 Год назад +9

    As a reaper main it's an ultimate dishonor to let any cc hit you. Learning how to use wraith is the 2nd most important thing for a reaper. 1st would be aim/positioning. When it comes to learning how to target characters most of the time I'm going after enemy dps unless healers are giving a hard time. I don't hunt tanks that often mainly because it wastes time unless the tank is low or being targeted by my team atm to take them out.

  • @rileyentangled152
    @rileyentangled152 Год назад +101

    2:19 A good way to tell if a hero is broken is if the only defense from people who play that hero is 'lol their not broken u just need to git gud'

    • @user-cc3ef7qh1x
      @user-cc3ef7qh1x Год назад +2

      No, you are wrong. Think about Moira

    • @mrgiraffe1577
      @mrgiraffe1577 Год назад +24

      @@user-cc3ef7qh1x the difference with Moira is you are telling low ranked players to 'git gud' but with roadhog even top 500 need to 'git gud'.

    • @rileyentangled152
      @rileyentangled152 Год назад +4

      @@user-cc3ef7qh1x I mean the ONLY defense. Like if someone says Moira or Bastion or Rammatra or whoever is OP there's a lot of reasons you can explain why they're wrong; they're usually making a lot of little low-rank mistakes that add up and/or lack game sense in key areas. GM players will say that Hog is OP and the response is always like 'just don't get hooked'

    • @Nynzy
      @Nynzy Год назад

      @@rileyentangled152 I mean it is not the -only- defense to Hog. You could Zen + Bastion + Sojourn/Reaper + Mercy/Ana etc etc to just blow him up nearly instantly when he comes in for the hook, especially if you have a tank that can block his hook for you, such as Rein or Sigma. But this is a problem similar to OW1 Bastion, you need your TEAM to play around that ONE hero who is being a menace to the game~

  • @splink89
    @splink89 Год назад +1

    this reminds me, one time i was playing widow, i am not good at this game at all even worse on widow, but this tracer kept killing and t-baging me, then i finally killed them, t bagged, and they left, felt amazing

  • @Jh-zy5yd
    @Jh-zy5yd Год назад +3

    Hey flats I just had an idea I don’t know if this was implemented earlier in overwatch but what if one of the nerfs to road hog is that he has to charge his hook to get the maximum distance so say he has to hold it for 1.5s for a full range hook

    • @Jh-zy5yd
      @Jh-zy5yd Год назад

      Also cooldown should be based on if he hits the hook or not

  • @kingkongsta4051
    @kingkongsta4051 Год назад +7

    That guy that talked about his gold gun choices likely started at overwatch 2 like I did, it’s pretty cool choosing who to give the cosmetic too after all your hours grinding for it.

    • @brghid
      @brghid Год назад

      i'm soooooo excited for dva and mercy gold gun :3 picked both my skins based off how they would look with it

  • @reagansido5823
    @reagansido5823 Год назад +2

    Humanium is definitely the super special metal that acts as the McGuffin to make swords that explode and reform themselves at the same time or whatever.

  • @luciferandassociates9255
    @luciferandassociates9255 Год назад +2

    Flats: Flashbang in the room!
    Me: Ahhhh! My eyes!

  • @CowKirbo
    @CowKirbo Год назад +4

    DIFFICULT DOES NOT EQUAL WEAK! That's the problem with sojourn! They didn't understand the real issue with her was that she's an incredibly difficult character not that she's a weak character. (even though I can just pick her and win a game)

    • @rasmachris94
      @rasmachris94 Год назад +1

      Yep, If i didnt have the aim of a small child with an uzi I'd be picking her everytime as a DPS. I dont like her specifically because of how precise her railgun in.
      If you cant aim properly she's pointless to pick. If you can aim she's an objectively better soldier 76 with one-shot potential, and can dominate matches.

    • @astupidlylongnamethatstoolong
      @astupidlylongnamethatstoolong Год назад

      @@rasmachris94 you dont even need to be precise, my ass is terrible at aiming. I can get like 50% railgun accuracy with ease, thats how easy it is to land. For reference, my best games on s76 has 35% accuracy

  • @ericfinocchiaro1466
    @ericfinocchiaro1466 Год назад +5

    I mean People also forget that sojourn has audible hit registration queues to know that her railgun is on target. All those hit markers pop with head shots being more pronounced.

  • @Jakethayne
    @Jakethayne 4 месяца назад +1

    They should make “Hammer down” a voice line

  • @theshadow5200
    @theshadow5200 Год назад +1

    The sequel to “just dodge the hook” “sprint away from the hook”

  • @daviddoggie7160
    @daviddoggie7160 Год назад +6

    Pin should have a damage reduction buff while in the middle of it and have it leave once he completes the animation, and like maybe 200 more shield

  • @timvandermolen9696
    @timvandermolen9696 Год назад +2

    I did not use soljurn till today only play junk mei and hazo and distroyed the lobby with a pocked I suck at nomal projectails/hitscan but gog she is strong going to use her for more comp maches (gold 5 btw)

  • @Fdfdre
    @Fdfdre Год назад

    14:43 Flats said I'm a walnut...
    I cant belive this I'm shaking and crying rn 😭😭😭😱😭

  • @IcyMantaray
    @IcyMantaray Год назад +1

    2nd tik tok be like "we have flats at home"
    Flats at home: 2:19

  • @lap1aceFPS
    @lap1aceFPS Год назад +4

    Here before the NPCs that say Ohio tiktoks 💀

  • @cheeseman_jones
    @cheeseman_jones Год назад +4

    Guys I need help, as a tank player how do I deal with Orisa other than just counter picking:/

    • @SpectralLumo
      @SpectralLumo Год назад

      Depends, what tank do you play?

    • @rileyentangled152
      @rileyentangled152 Год назад +5

      The way you deal with Orisa is to not deal with Orisa. If an Orisa manages her cooldowns right and has the support of her team she's basically unkillable. Try to go after her squishies; harass supports, try to deny the damage getting value, etc. You still need to peel for your backline and prevent the enemy tank from being to oppressive to your squishies, but in most cases dueling the enemy tank isn't the play. Orisa in particular won't be vulnerable until your team has a numbers advantage.

    • @immune855
      @immune855 Год назад

      you either fully ignore her or just tunnel vision her

    • @christiangiles1847
      @christiangiles1847 Год назад

      @Timothy Hedge yeah I hate dealing with a smart dive Winton

    • @dazey856
      @dazey856 Год назад

      @@rileyentangled152 if you ignore the orisa at the moment she takes away all the space from the team and bullies the squishies

  • @ThePandarian
    @ThePandarian Год назад

    1:29 that is the exact reason I T-bag when I absolutely destroy someone. I know they’re gonna want to head hunt me after that which causes them to play angry and make tons of mistakes. So many mind games go into OW it’s actually nuts

  • @ahooymebucko2352
    @ahooymebucko2352 Год назад

    “Going Bananas” talking about a team with Winston in it…..LMAO

  • @Skynertia
    @Skynertia Год назад +4

    Bold take: The only reason Sojourn was underperforming at low ranks is because she was a new hero with an overpowered skill shot (one season of Sojourn with plenty of new and returning players isn't a fair assessment of her overall value at low level). Had lower level players had more exposure to her she eventually would have climbed and become overpowered. Just because she wasn't seeing good performances didn't mean she wasn't fundamentally broken.
    Edit: and Flats said the same thing...

  • @nadarmt7069
    @nadarmt7069 Год назад +3

    Hog punishes you for being out of position.
    Hog punishes you when being out of position. (and can get back full health with a press of a button)
    Simple right ?

  • @nightmare9399
    @nightmare9399 Год назад +1

    Shout out to the one hog today on route 66 that had all 5 people shooting him and he just casually walked through us hooked zen killed him walked back with vape and made it out alive

  • @everydayenby2901
    @everydayenby2901 Год назад +1

    Why is no one talking about that hilarious and adorable girl naming OW characters? That's probably the best OW video I've ever seen.

  • @travisstanton9691
    @travisstanton9691 Год назад +1

    If hog gets a nerf I either want his old health and healing back or no more delay when he hooks you so you can escape again

  • @fyr3st0rm51
    @fyr3st0rm51 Год назад +1

    The overwatch tiktok videos are my favorite

  • @Nightshade1245
    @Nightshade1245 Год назад +1

    even without a Mercy pocket, I can still carry my silver games just by playing Sojourn

  • @Pieman523
    @Pieman523 Год назад +2

    I am only calling RAT Silly Pants now

  • @alexpivniouk8421
    @alexpivniouk8421 Год назад +1

    I'm just happy that, as a brand-new OW player, I made it to Plat 5 DPS (and then quit and went back to Apex lolll)

  • @ninja666gaming
    @ninja666gaming Год назад

    literally proper taking over the whole lobby in OWL as sojourn

  • @Bifasse
    @Bifasse Год назад

    The keetle at 6:05 freaking destroyed me 🤣

  • @kieranwalker7830
    @kieranwalker7830 Год назад +1

    12:05 And he took it personally 😂

  • @hypocriteharold8707
    @hypocriteharold8707 Год назад +1

    The horror when light mode Reddit shows up

  • @KuroVergil
    @KuroVergil Год назад

    1:20
    There was a "feature" in Gears of War of War 3, where if the same enemy killed you 5 times or more they would become your "nemesis" and killing them would award you with an "insignia" that would count towards a medal, a cosmetic you could use for other people to see (kinda like the BP titles in ow2)

  • @Ollowayn
    @Ollowayn Год назад

    Hey there! I´m new here (to the channel and OW2) but binging your tiktoks reactions and they are very insightful and funny!

  • @llllTatollll
    @llllTatollll Год назад +1

    Not only would’ve the reaper lived but the rein activity died because of the charge

  • @viaprime187
    @viaprime187 Год назад

    for the sojourn discussion in the last clip. season 1 i was hovering around high bronze low silver as dps just playing whatever to have fun and something different than playing support. in season 2 i picked up sojourn and now i am high gold on dps while being low gold on support

  • @Deathsinger99
    @Deathsinger99 Год назад

    Some of my favorite content

  • @aidenzorn8322
    @aidenzorn8322 Год назад +1

    Hog defenders can’t understand that we just don’t want hog to be good

  • @UltimateDudeGuy
    @UltimateDudeGuy Год назад

    6:04 bro really just turned into a stallion

  • @williamwhitebirch9191
    @williamwhitebirch9191 Год назад

    The revenge part I feel all to well. I began playing Widowmaker the other day and now.. I'm not superb at her or anything but I've definitely had games where the entire enemy team basically shift focus to hunt me down. While frustrating it's also very entertaining lmao.