If you eventually decide to make a part 3 talking about extinct members of preserved classes, maybe 2512 Silver Fox and 6234 Duchess of Abercorn could make the list. Since Silver Fox reached 113 MPH, while Duchess of Abercorn was recorded reaching a maximum rating of 2511 hp/horsepower, and still holds that record to this day.
Great Northern wasn't Edward Thompsons first choice, it was just in the works and in need of a heavy general overhaul, so his hands were tied when it came to choosing an A1/3 into his own design. Also, none of the LNER's board members were really that bothered about which Pacific he rebuilt, as long as it worked
I still can’t believe I missed that. If I hadn’t,y bias toward Thompson might’ve gotten alittle more sympathetic. I can’t say for sure because I was still a noob with research back then
Thompson never hated Gresley and the rivalry was made up by writers, Thompson was on the A4 building team for god sakes so he played a role with the creation of Mallard indirectly, and he chooses Great Northern because it was the most warn out member of the class and it's reliability was poor, yes he could of put her to the NRM but since this was war time it was all locos on deck so rebuilding her was a no brainer.
Exactly, I was just an idiot. Also, info on that poor guy is biased all over the place. Even Darkness The Curse struggles to speak kindly about this guy without getting any backlash.
What about Santa Fe 3461? The engine had a world record of traveling 2,227 miles from LA to Chicago without any maintenance, and the engine had the streamlined skyline casing.
No. 2751 Humorist was fitted with a Kylchap exhaust system and also received wing-plate smoke deflectors. Renumbered 97 in 1946, she became No. 60097 in June 1948. Instead of Witte deflectors like the rest of the A3s, Humorist was given Peppercorn-style deflectors. Retired on 24 August 1963, she was scrapped exactly one week later.
Here are the locomotives from the list that deserve a rebuild: 1. LNER A1 #4470 and A3 #2750 2. Illinois Central 2613 (because we need a 2600 back) 3. LNER A4 #2509 “Silver link” and LNER #4493 “Woodcock” (with Apple green livery 4. N&W Y6B #2174 (for excursions by the N&W Y6B Trust if that future organization forms) and #2143 for display at the National Railroad Museum 5. GWR Castle Class #111 Viscount Churchill 6. LMS Princess Royal #46242 “City of Glascow 7. LMS Coronation Scott (streamlined with better maintenance and lubrication)
One particular engine for me would be Central Pacific No. 173. Even though it does have one surviving sibling, that being Virginia & Truckee No. 18 the 'Dayton', the 173 itself does stand out a bit more since it not only served as the Central Pacific's entry into it's own homebuilt steam locomotives following it's rebuild in 1872, and its aesthetics and parts being replicated on other Central Pacific locomotives giving the railroad's roster their own personal look. This engine even played a big role in the legacy of Walt Disney, most notably in his love for trains and railroading, serving as the prototype for his miniature locomotive the 'Lilly Belle' for his backyard Carolwood Pacific Railroad (which eventually led to his inspiration for Disneyland in 1955), as well as the Disneyland Railroad's No. 1 locomotive, the 'C.K. Holliday'.
Despite there being 5 CPR H1 hudsons preserved, I feel like the CPR's H1a class should be an honorable mention. They're the only CPR hudsons that isn't surviving today out of the H1b (2816), c (2839), d (2850 & 2858), and e (2860) classes
I will defend Thompson as he had no choice in the matter. The LNER wasn't the most profitable of the Big Four and Thompson literally had to make do with what he had, plus you have to remember, he slept in the station office because his house was bombed during the blitz. Honestly, check this out for more on Thompson: ruclips.net/video/knLZDuzCaOM/видео.html
Andrew matured overtime and found out the truth from Darkness the curse probably a month or more before you posted this comment. Andrew was sadly severely mislead by the looks of things about Thompson in the beginning
meanwhile here's little ol' me making an altarnate canon of events where 4470 ended up being smuggled off the LNER thanks to the board making a deal with a smaller joint-line on the west coast of Britain, renumbered to 1470 and given a different name, whilst another unsignificant A1 (my thoughts either being 4473, 4480 or a different one) be rebuilt into the horrendous A1/1 and wore Great Northern's plates. While 1470 would carry on into the 1960's and recieved it's original plates again, and got preserved alongside Scotsman, Humorist and Papyrus...
Can relate. However I do admit within 1.5 years later I was alittle harsh on Thompson(as well as Metra in 5629), since I eventually, learned the real truth of both earlier this year thanks to Darkness The Curse, not to mention maturing some more
Hot and accurate take: Thompson saved Great Northern with his rebuild. The reason why: *it was fucking old at the time, so chances are likely it would've been scrapped.*
The Norfolk & Western J Class. With 13 built in its class from 1941-1950, all but one were consequently scrapped: #611. Built in May 1950, it is the only surviving known member of the class, retired from service on October 7, 1959, and restored from 1982-1984. It was put on its first excursion service from 1991-1994 and was put in storage in in 1995. It was donated to the Virginia Museum of Transportation in 2003 and restored again from 2014-2015.
I am surprised you didn't mention SP 4449 & 4458. The SP GS-5 was supposed to be preserved, but was scrapped because of a miscommunication, so in a rush they went and found 4449 instead, which was slated to be scrapped, and saved it.
Duluth Missabe and Iron Range 222 this Yellowstone pulled an publicity excursion. she and 15 other Yellowstone’s Where Retired and scrapped when the Duluth Missabe and Iron Range between 1958 and 1960 when DM&IR was in Steam To Diesel Transition period. Fortunately We Had three Yellowstone’s 225, 227 and 229 where saved from scrap and are preserved 225 in Proctor Minnesota, 227 at the Lake Superior Railroad Museum In Duluth Minnesota and 229 in Two Harbors, Minnesota
Great series. As for the content, it was very informational. I'd say that when it comes to messing up, address those issues at the end of the video. It'll keep some viewers from skipping ahead and accidentally missing information (and keep the video runtime shorter). Also if you can, try to keep the volume of the voice-overs and memes added into the video at the same level, and take the music out when a meme is being played. You might even think about clipping out filler footage as well.
I am planning to address them in a Halloween video in the form of a third installment to this series in 2024. Particularly the whole thing with Thompson and 5629, both of which I learned so much about thanks to Darkness The Curse. Due to the limited time I had last summer I couldn’t finish the whole 5 segments. For this Halloween. I was however able to take one and form it into a shorter Halloween special that will premiere this Halloween on my channel.
But also, always remember, past me was a complete idiot with this stuff compared my current self. Even without any of the complaints in this comments section, there’s no way my current self would have made the same blunders I made in both parts, including the Thompson and 5629 segments
Some information I translated to screen is incorrect and my views of them have changed. Particularly about 5629 and Edward Thompson. You may know that I made a video addressing the 5629-part and that I had acknowledged and accepted the actual truth that its scrapping was mostly Jensen's fault, and not so much Metra's. As for Edward Thompson, I was too harsh. I didn't know at the time that there was alot more going on in his head during his time as CME than I realized. True he may have disagreed with Gresley's methodology and that's fair. LNER couldn't continue with using that ideology after he died. What I didn't mention also was Thompson's mental health. He lost his wife prior to the war, which made him depressed. Coupled with his house being destroyed in a German bombing raid(forcing him to live in his office at the railway), and the wartime restrictions he had to work with whilst overhauling the railway's engineering methods to adapt to Gresley's absence, the man was really depressed and overly-stressed out. And finally, the reason he built 4470 into the A1/1 was because it was critically worn out. Whether or not he did it out of spite for Gresley remains unconfirmed. Most importantly, my channel and I were still in our infancy with narrated train history/engineering videos, so my ability to do proper research and bring accurate information to screen wasn't as good as it is now, and I've matured too. This whole outdated thing is to help inform audiences that this video isn't to be taken literally.
Great video! 2 problems though 1st problem being is that your voice is so quiet, I have to turn my volume all the way up just to be able to hear you. 2nd problem being that while I understand you're testing out different microphones, it's not the ranging qualities of each recording. It's the constant apologies for bad quality. It gets annoying. Still though, great 2 part video!
That Edward Thompson is a prideful, and greedy, and a very careless decision making person, a office stationery has gold platings, a perceived symbol of his wealth owning all those fancy business suits and always keeping his hair out of place. The Audacity to use one of the late Sir Nigel Gresleys designs is by far a disgrace to use Great Northern. LNER should have succeeded Arthur Peppercorn he's a much better choice because of his modesty and being humbled.
I didn’t fully understand the truth at that time. I’ve matured and found out he wasn’t as bad as he was thought to be. The truth is, we was depressed. The next time I make one of these videos, I’ll renounce my hatred because this throw shading my old thoughts of Thompson and Jenson is starting to get out of control. That was all years ago, and people of my age can change quickly.
@@AndrewTheRocketCityRailfan4014 Yeah shame that the LNER didn't vote for Arthur Peppercorn, he and Sir Nigel Gresley were close because he mentor him so well that he considered Peppercorn part of his family.
There's a loco no. Ka 949 there is 3 sill runing look it up so can know and one thing that was saved is where ka 949s no. That was on the front pls make this in your video pls
There can be few reasons why even celebrity locomotives of their class gets scrapped, condition. Most preserved steam locomotives were saved because they were in satisfactory condition and had better odds of survival. DRG 05 002 can be an example as it could have worn itself out to the point it was beyond economic repair and beyond saving. We can't control these circumstances as these things happen. Also at 15:02, you got one bit of Flying Scotsman's history wrong. Flying Scotsman, unnamed until the British Empire Exhibition in 1924, was never a GNR locomotive as it was built in February 1923, a month after the LNER was formed.
Umm, that's now outdated. I learned the truth eventually about both, forgave them, and now agree with them. Metra: It was actually Jenson's fault Thompson, he was CME during a war and depressed. Also I matured too, so don't make the same mistake a certain railfan did that caused another viewer to call him a chicago scum.
Say what you will about Thompson and his pacifics (which we’re inferior to Gresley’s and Peppercorn’s) but he had the right idea. Gresley didn’t like freight engines and the P2s were incredibly specialized to the point that they could only do express passenger service on one or two lines. Sure the p2 might have been a much better design, but with only 6 of them if a part broke they would need a new part made for them or otherwise require keeping a bunch of parts around on top of parts for engines they had, which wasn’t feasible with rationing. The A2/2 might not have been as reliable a design (understatement of the year candidate right there) but at least they used common parts and were easier to fix. As far as great northern is concerned, that’s just to spite Gresley. What, I didn’t say Thompson wasn’t a dick I just said he was on the right track for wwii. Also, the LNER cheif mechanical engineers have more backstabbing than the Roman forum. I mean good god it’s like watching the habsburgs and bourbons fight each other. Gresley grooms his own successor, essentially cutting Thompson out of the game. Thompson schemes his way back in, cutting peppercorn out of the game. Thompson then undies as much Gresley work as he can (though his actual designs that weren’t spite driven, except the pacifics, turned out to be pretty ok and were well placed for wwii) then peppercorn shows back up and takes the job he had been groomed for. (Assuming the story I have heard and pieced together is accurate). That’s like three of the French revolutions politics put together, all we are missing is a guillotine, some riots, and a raid on an old prison.
I’ve checked on www.brdatabase.info/locoqry.php?action=locodata&type=S&id=600112001&loco=1470 And it’s not even like Great Northern had just had maintenance. It went in at a normal time. I like his portrayal as some kind of villain though
Starting off with my baby girl sliver fox she is mostly well known for being caught on film more often than any other A4 The reason why Silver Fox has been caught on film is because of her starring debut in the 1952 British transport film Elizabethan express and by the way the engine that was used for cab shots of the Elizabethan express that was 60030 Golden fleece who was on the passenger train from Kings Cross to Grantham. Next up is LNER 4491 Or BR 60012 Commonwealth of Australia. When Commonwealth of Australia was withdrawn on 20 August 1964 there was an attempt to save the engine from scrap most notably the Australian government tried to buy the engine but it failed miserably. And last but not least we have 4489/60010 Dominion of Canada. while Dominion of Canada Spent the rest of her career On both of the LNER and On British railways As 60010 she was later giving a Canadian Pacific railway five chime whistle and a bell. The other surviving A4’s are 60007 sir Nigel Gresley 60008, Dwight D Eisenhower 60009 union of South Africa, 60010 dominion of Canada 60019 Bittern and 60022 Mallard out of all six of them only four of them remained in the United Kingdom while 60008 Dwight D Eisenhower was donated to the national railroad museum in Green Bay WI & 60010 Dominion of Canada was donated to the Canadian railway museum in Montreal as for 60007 sir Nigel Gresley he is undergoing a massively needed overhaul at crewe and will not be back until 2022
Sadly Flying Scotsman Lost Her Two Brother Great Northern And Papyrus Its Shame Flying Scotsman Still In Her Career I Hope We Can See Her Two Brother In Museum When They Got Scrapped In Favor Of Thompson
I find it incredibly more common for people to follow OS Knox records for the LNER locomotives (who is possibly the most bias historian possible) he hates everything LNER that wasn't Gresley, this is from someone who fired the A2/2 and /3s 'they were no where near as bad as people made them out to be contrary to belief they were good steamers and were economic compared to others' Thompson yes made a mistake converting Great Northern but this Fanfare about the P2s really needs to stop yes they were powerful but limited, they were terrible for the rails (why do you think so many things are being changed on the new build with the wheels and leading and trailing bogies)
Surprised Coronations only get an honourable mention, as they were the best locos to work in this country, when at least 3 more should have survived and I wouldn't include 46242. 46220 , obviously, as doyen of the class and one time speed record holder, 46234 as British power output record holder and 46256 built slightly modified by Ivatt and named after Sir William Stanier. It was also the last member of the class to work. It pulled the Scottish Lowlander in September 1964, ironically both of the A4s involved survived. Some may also include 46236 which worked the exchange trials in 1948. Going back to Big Boys how about 4015 the last one to work. BTW horsepower is far more important than tractive effort. Tractive effort is a theoretical figure based on dimensions and boiler pressure. Horsepower is a measure of a locomotive's ability to perform work. The greater the steaming rate the higher the horsepower but the TE remains the same. Two locomotives of different classes could have identical TEs but the one with better boiler would be the more powerful one.
What about the Union Pacific 119 & Central Pacific Jupiter, the pair that are here today are replicas. The original Central Pacific Jupiter & Union Pacific 119 were scrapped.
Exactly, because I was an immature idiot creator and terrible narrator at the time. But I'm about to rectify that in the future and save my image from further controversy.
I actually have that at number 5 in the script of a planned Halloween video I haven’t made yet. I sadly didn’t have enough time last summer to finish it though. That video was going to be a Halloween special in the form of a 3rd installment of this series, in which I’d also address my acknowledgment of how badly I screwed up the 5629 and Thompson segments in the entire top 10. However, I was able to finish up a video that’s essentially one of the 5 segments from that video and it’ll premiere this Halloween.
Certainly nobody. Not even him. He only did his rebuilds like that because he was CME during WW2 and was depressed(His wife had died and his home was bombed by the Germans)
The whole rant on Edward Thompson towards the end just comes off as unprofessional and unfounded since it's based entirely on the words of writers who specifically wanted to run his name into the ground long after the fact. If you people really want to know the logic behind Thompson's work on the LNER then I would highly recommend watching the *ENTIRE* Railway Mania PODCAST Ep. 5. Here's the link if you are curious, ruclips.net/video/AsY6AW5Ts08/видео.html. More specifically, starting from the 47:40 mark you will learn the TRUE story as to why Great Northern was rebuilt and who ACTUALLY selected her (Here's a hint: It wasn't Thompson).
Bro, I was a F@&king idiot at the time I made this, and in my infancy with making videos, not to mention way less mature. There’s no way I would’ve repeated the mistakes I made in this video nowadays. I’m 3 months short of turning 21 as of this reply. You mature a lot between the ages of 18 and 21.
I WAS MISGUIDED BY MISINFORMATION AT THE TIME; just like with GTW 5629. The current version of me WOULD HAVE NEVER DONE SUCH DISSERVICE because, and never would be doing so since some point in 2022 when I learned the truth of Thompson thanks to H.I.T.D. Had the 2022 version of me or the present written that script, you wouldn’t even be writing this comment since such versions of me would be much more natural and sympathetic rather than biased.
So you did little to no research on why Great Northern was rebuilt Well; Thompson did not “choose” Great northern, he was given her due to the locomotive being in an exceptionally poor condition. Though a test dummy she may have been, the P2’s had a horrid availability problem that was that they were spending a good three quarters percentage more time in the workshops and only about 15% actually doing any form of work. As a NE fan, kindly do more research next time.
I did do research pal. But holy frack, info on this guy is all over the place with varying accuracy, even at that time, of which I was still in my infancy with this stuff and not as good at it as now, and would have looked at multiple sources and spoken about this from a grey area perspective. And holy F with the impatience and temperament of how you spoke to me like that. Also, you watch it with saying remarks like that about my old self because I’d learned these mistakes long ago, within a year, before you barged in. Also, you DO NOT TELL ME to do more research! My brain does it for me buddy.
Am I the only one who doesn't mind the German smoke deflectors, they're unique and add a unique outline to a fantastic class! Plus what if they had flaps like the Royal Scots. (If anyone got the flaps joke, you have watched TONW, if you didn't, look up The Tales of New Wessex)
Thank you for 800 subscribers! Let's keep pushing to 1000!
What is the audio for number 3?
I vow to thee my country
you're nearly at 5K Nowaday's, look how far you have come!
If you eventually decide to make a part 3 talking about extinct members of preserved classes, maybe 2512 Silver Fox and 6234 Duchess of Abercorn could make the list. Since Silver Fox reached 113 MPH, while Duchess of Abercorn was recorded reaching a maximum rating of 2511 hp/horsepower, and still holds that record to this day.
Also, Silver Fox (unofficially) broke Mallard's record in 50's.
Technically with what you mentioned, 4006 (Most logged miles ever) and 4000 (Prototype and reason for the Big Boy's existance) stand out too.
Great Northern wasn't Edward Thompsons first choice, it was just in the works and in need of a heavy general overhaul, so his hands were tied when it came to choosing an A1/3 into his own design. Also, none of the LNER's board members were really that bothered about which Pacific he rebuilt, as long as it worked
I still can’t believe I missed that. If I hadn’t,y bias toward Thompson might’ve gotten alittle more sympathetic. I can’t say for sure because I was still a noob with research back then
Great northern: please don’t turn me into an A1/1!
Thompson: *bonk*
Thompson never hated Gresley and the rivalry was made up by writers, Thompson was on the A4 building team for god sakes so he played a role with the creation of Mallard indirectly, and he chooses Great Northern because it was the most warn out member of the class and it's reliability was poor, yes he could of put her to the NRM but since this was war time it was all locos on deck so rebuilding her was a no brainer.
Exactly, I was just an idiot. Also, info on that poor guy is biased all over the place. Even Darkness The Curse struggles to speak kindly about this guy without getting any backlash.
@@AndrewTheRocketCityRailfan4014 no worries bro. Looking back on it I could have put my words in a much nicer manner. Keep doing what you're doing man
5:58 "The Flying Hamburger"
Gimme a side of fries to go with that along with a shake.
What about Santa Fe 3461?
The engine had a world record of traveling 2,227 miles from LA to Chicago without any maintenance, and the engine had the streamlined skyline casing.
No. 2751 Humorist was fitted with a Kylchap exhaust system and also received wing-plate smoke deflectors. Renumbered 97 in 1946, she became No. 60097 in June 1948. Instead of Witte deflectors like the rest of the A3s, Humorist was given Peppercorn-style deflectors. Retired on 24 August 1963, she was scrapped exactly one week later.
60097 Humorist was the only Pacific I ever had a ride behind, in 1961 when I was six years old
Here are the locomotives from the list that deserve a rebuild:
1. LNER A1 #4470 and A3 #2750
2. Illinois Central 2613 (because we need a 2600 back)
3. LNER A4 #2509 “Silver link” and LNER #4493 “Woodcock” (with Apple green livery
4. N&W Y6B #2174 (for excursions by the N&W Y6B Trust if that future organization forms) and #2143 for display at the National Railroad Museum
5. GWR Castle Class #111 Viscount Churchill
6. LMS Princess Royal #46242 “City of Glascow
7. LMS Coronation Scott (streamlined with better maintenance and lubrication)
nyc hudson
One particular engine for me would be Central Pacific No. 173. Even though it does have one surviving sibling, that being Virginia & Truckee No. 18 the 'Dayton', the 173 itself does stand out a bit more since it not only served as the Central Pacific's entry into it's own homebuilt steam locomotives following it's rebuild in 1872, and its aesthetics and parts being replicated on other Central Pacific locomotives giving the railroad's roster their own personal look.
This engine even played a big role in the legacy of Walt Disney, most notably in his love for trains and railroading, serving as the prototype for his miniature locomotive the 'Lilly Belle' for his backyard Carolwood Pacific Railroad (which eventually led to his inspiration for Disneyland in 1955), as well as the Disneyland Railroad's No. 1 locomotive, the 'C.K. Holliday'.
Tbh., 4470's rebuild as a Thompson itself was actually pretty decent. It only needed to be a different A1 and no one would say a word of complaint.
Am I allowed to use footage from here for the 3 excellent Big Boys? I need it for an own list + original owners pls.
NnW 613,
Lner 4469,
Nkp 767,
CnO 1642,
Lms 6220,
Prr 2445,
Up 9018,
Tp 638,
CnO 2765,
NnW 2190,
NnW 2143,
Sp 4274,
BnO 659/7609,
NnW 1204 and 1240.
For the big boys I wish #4000 was preserved. She was the one that (potentially) had the name written on her.
BR had some serious b&&ls to fit one of the most iconic British and Gresly steam locomotives with German deflectors
Despite there being 5 CPR H1 hudsons preserved, I feel like the CPR's H1a class should be an honorable mention. They're the only CPR hudsons that isn't surviving today out of the H1b (2816), c (2839), d (2850 & 2858), and e (2860) classes
If I understand the great northern was in the wrong place at the wrong time she was next in-line of a heavy over haul
Yep. Somehow I missed it like the exhausted night-working idiot I was.
It’s interesting that 05-003 was both streamlined and cab-forward.
I will defend Thompson as he had no choice in the matter. The LNER wasn't the most profitable of the Big Four and Thompson literally had to make do with what he had, plus you have to remember, he slept in the station office because his house was bombed during the blitz. Honestly, check this out for more on Thompson: ruclips.net/video/knLZDuzCaOM/видео.html
Andrew matured overtime and found out the truth from Darkness the curse probably a month or more before you posted this comment. Andrew was sadly severely mislead by the looks of things about Thompson in the beginning
Again, I was a moron and a half-matured idiot when it came to making videos back then.
Very interesting, both this part 2 and the earlier part 1: thanks for the upload.
Also another honorable mention was southern pacific cab forward 4274 but not the same subclass. 4274 is a AC-11 but 4294 is a AC-12
meanwhile here's little ol' me making an altarnate canon of events where 4470 ended up being smuggled off the LNER thanks to the board making a deal with a smaller joint-line on the west coast of Britain, renumbered to 1470 and given a different name, whilst another unsignificant A1 (my thoughts either being 4473, 4480 or a different one) be rebuilt into the horrendous A1/1 and wore Great Northern's plates. While 1470 would carry on into the 1960's and recieved it's original plates again, and got preserved alongside Scotsman, Humorist and Papyrus...
Can relate. However I do admit within 1.5 years later I was alittle harsh on Thompson(as well as Metra in 5629), since I eventually, learned the real truth of both earlier this year thanks to Darkness The Curse, not to mention maturing some more
Hot and accurate take: Thompson saved Great Northern with his rebuild.
The reason why: *it was fucking old at the time, so chances are likely it would've been scrapped.*
And I never spoke like that at the time because I was an immature f&@king idiot and terrible at this. Time has showed that's changed.
Nice I’m excited to see this
12:49 not glasgow himself!!!
I like Thompson designs it’s my opinion great northern was rebuilt because it was the most worn out so it’s Actually was for the best
At least the "Y6a"s weren't too far from the "Y6b"s in performance, still really good, powerful locomotives and among the best on the N&W and overall.
The Norfolk & Western J Class. With 13 built in its class from 1941-1950, all but one were consequently scrapped: #611. Built in May 1950, it is the only surviving known member of the class, retired from service on October 7, 1959, and restored from 1982-1984. It was put on its first excursion service from 1991-1994 and was put in storage in in 1995. It was donated to the Virginia Museum of Transportation in 2003 and restored again from 2014-2015.
R.I.P Great northern and Papyrus
I love the 4919 big boy so much cause it looks like more stronger than the other big boys cause it’s elephant ears and I have 05 002 in Trainz driver
I am surprised you didn't mention SP 4449 & 4458. The SP GS-5 was supposed to be preserved, but was scrapped because of a miscommunication, so in a rush they went and found 4449 instead, which was slated to be scrapped, and saved it.
Don't you mean 4457 & 4458 as 4449 is a GS4, not a GS5
@@rainierbagatsing1073 Yes. That is why a GS4 was saved instead of a GS5
Who knows how to make a flux capacitor. I’m going back and saving those locomotives.
FUN FACT: I saw the 4005 at the Forney museum of transportation In Denver (the only big boy I saw at person)
Now the world needs a Re-Born GNR A1 Great Northern and LNER A1/A3 Papyrus, so that Scotsman won't be alone forever.
It would KingFisher was preserved as it was painted appl green. Geof Drury was planning to buy KingFisher, but it had a firebox issue.
and also WHAT VIDEO EDITING SOFTWARE ARE YOU USING ANDREW RAILA BAMMERS
One locomotive I want to be seen the present day: Canadian national 5700 the 4-6-4 hudson
This really reminds me of the NS 6513 wich was a locomotive built by Hohenzollern and none were preserved but the SHM has a near identical locomotive
Duluth Missabe and Iron Range 222 this Yellowstone pulled an publicity excursion. she and 15 other Yellowstone’s Where Retired and scrapped when the Duluth Missabe and Iron Range between 1958 and 1960 when DM&IR was in Steam To Diesel Transition period. Fortunately We Had three Yellowstone’s 225, 227 and 229 where saved from scrap and are preserved 225 in Proctor Minnesota, 227 at the Lake Superior Railroad Museum In Duluth Minnesota and 229 in Two Harbors, Minnesota
Great series. As for the content, it was very informational. I'd say that when it comes to messing up, address those issues at the end of the video. It'll keep some viewers from skipping ahead and accidentally missing information (and keep the video runtime shorter). Also if you can, try to keep the volume of the voice-overs and memes added into the video at the same level, and take the music out when a meme is being played. You might even think about clipping out filler footage as well.
I am planning to address them in a Halloween video in the form of a third installment to this series in 2024. Particularly the whole thing with Thompson and 5629, both of which I learned so much about thanks to Darkness The Curse. Due to the limited time I had last summer I couldn’t finish the whole 5 segments. For this Halloween. I was however able to take one and form it into a shorter Halloween special that will premiere this Halloween on my channel.
But also, always remember, past me was a complete idiot with this stuff compared my current self. Even without any of the complaints in this comments section, there’s no way my current self would have made the same blunders I made in both parts, including the Thompson and 5629 segments
6:12 what is the name of the music in the background??
Uh, andrew, why is this list of yours both part 1 and 2 titled outdated?
Some information I translated to screen is incorrect and my views of them have changed. Particularly about 5629 and Edward Thompson. You may know that I made a video addressing the 5629-part and that I had acknowledged and accepted the actual truth that its scrapping was mostly Jensen's fault, and not so much Metra's.
As for Edward Thompson, I was too harsh. I didn't know at the time that there was alot more going on in his head during his time as CME than I realized. True he may have disagreed with Gresley's methodology and that's fair. LNER couldn't continue with using that ideology after he died. What I didn't mention also was Thompson's mental health. He lost his wife prior to the war, which made him depressed.
Coupled with his house being destroyed in a German bombing raid(forcing him to live in his office at the railway), and the wartime restrictions he had to work with whilst overhauling the railway's engineering methods to adapt to Gresley's absence, the man was really depressed and overly-stressed out. And finally, the reason he built 4470 into the A1/1 was because it was critically worn out. Whether or not he did it out of spite for Gresley remains unconfirmed.
Most importantly, my channel and I were still in our infancy with narrated train history/engineering videos, so my ability to do proper research and bring accurate information to screen wasn't as good as it is now, and I've matured too.
This whole outdated thing is to help inform audiences that this video isn't to be taken literally.
With 4014 not standing out, does that make it actually historically irrelevant, or does that only count for the days of steam?
0:07 am i seeing Locomotive or Socomotive?
Great video!
2 problems though
1st problem being is that your voice is so quiet, I have to turn my volume all the way up just to be able to hear you.
2nd problem being that while I understand you're testing out different microphones, it's not the ranging qualities of each recording. It's the constant apologies for bad quality. It gets annoying.
Still though, great 2 part video!
I found that adding subtitles resolves that.
Well, atleast I solved that eventually.
Oh shut up Dr.
And rip my brother 1240
That Edward Thompson is a prideful, and greedy, and a very careless decision making person, a office stationery has gold platings, a perceived symbol of his wealth owning all those fancy business suits and always keeping his hair out of place.
The Audacity to use one of the late Sir Nigel Gresleys designs is by far a disgrace to use Great Northern.
LNER should have succeeded Arthur Peppercorn he's a much better choice because of his modesty and being humbled.
I didn’t fully understand the truth at that time. I’ve matured and found out he wasn’t as bad as he was thought to be. The truth is, we was depressed. The next time I make one of these videos, I’ll renounce my hatred because this throw shading my old thoughts of Thompson and Jenson is starting to get out of control. That was all years ago, and people of my age can change quickly.
@@AndrewTheRocketCityRailfan4014 Yeah shame that the LNER didn't vote for Arthur Peppercorn, he and Sir Nigel Gresley were close because he mentor him so well that he considered Peppercorn part of his family.
There's a loco no. Ka 949 there is 3 sill runing look it up so can know and one thing that was saved is where ka 949s no. That was on the front pls make this in your video pls
There can be few reasons why even celebrity locomotives of their class gets scrapped, condition. Most preserved steam locomotives were saved because they were in satisfactory condition and had better odds of survival. DRG 05 002 can be an example as it could have worn itself out to the point it was beyond economic repair and beyond saving. We can't control these circumstances as these things happen. Also at 15:02, you got one bit of Flying Scotsman's history wrong. Flying Scotsman, unnamed until the British Empire Exhibition in 1924, was never a GNR locomotive as it was built in February 1923, a month after the LNER was formed.
I learned from the two videos that Andrew hates Metra and Thompson
Umm, that's now outdated. I learned the truth eventually about both, forgave them, and now agree with them.
Metra: It was actually Jenson's fault
Thompson, he was CME during a war and depressed.
Also I matured too, so don't make the same mistake a certain railfan did that caused another viewer to call him a chicago scum.
@@AndrewTheRocketCityRailfan4014 this is a 2 year old comment. Be my guest
Say what you will about Thompson and his pacifics (which we’re inferior to Gresley’s and Peppercorn’s) but he had the right idea. Gresley didn’t like freight engines and the P2s were incredibly specialized to the point that they could only do express passenger service on one or two lines. Sure the p2 might have been a much better design, but with only 6 of them if a part broke they would need a new part made for them or otherwise require keeping a bunch of parts around on top of parts for engines they had, which wasn’t feasible with rationing. The A2/2 might not have been as reliable a design (understatement of the year candidate right there) but at least they used common parts and were easier to fix. As far as great northern is concerned, that’s just to spite Gresley. What, I didn’t say Thompson wasn’t a dick I just said he was on the right track for wwii.
Also, the LNER cheif mechanical engineers have more backstabbing than the Roman forum. I mean good god it’s like watching the habsburgs and bourbons fight each other. Gresley grooms his own successor, essentially cutting Thompson out of the game. Thompson schemes his way back in, cutting peppercorn out of the game. Thompson then undies as much Gresley work as he can (though his actual designs that weren’t spite driven, except the pacifics, turned out to be pretty ok and were well placed for wwii) then peppercorn shows back up and takes the job he had been groomed for. (Assuming the story I have heard and pieced together is accurate). That’s like three of the French revolutions politics put together, all we are missing is a guillotine, some riots, and a raid on an old prison.
I’ve checked on www.brdatabase.info/locoqry.php?action=locodata&type=S&id=600112001&loco=1470 And it’s not even like Great Northern had just had maintenance. It went in at a normal time.
I like his portrayal as some kind of villain though
Exactly. I just didn’t see most of it yet. Not to mention I was still a noob at this, and way less mature.
Southern railway 78 was scrapped in the end of steam era well Southern railway 154 was preserve
Rip n&w 2174
I wish great northern was preserved as a A1/1 for a like 10 years then rebuild it back to a A1
Starting off with my baby girl sliver fox she is mostly well known for being caught on film more often than any other A4 The reason why Silver Fox has been caught on film is because of her starring debut in the 1952 British transport film Elizabethan express and by the way the engine that was used for cab shots of the Elizabethan express that was 60030 Golden fleece who was on the passenger train from Kings Cross to Grantham.
Next up is LNER 4491 Or BR 60012 Commonwealth of Australia.
When Commonwealth of Australia was withdrawn on 20 August 1964 there was an attempt to save the engine from scrap most notably the Australian government tried to buy the engine but it failed miserably.
And last but not least we have 4489/60010 Dominion of Canada.
while Dominion of Canada Spent the rest of her career On both of the LNER and On British railways As 60010 she was later giving a Canadian Pacific railway five chime whistle and a bell. The other surviving A4’s are 60007 sir Nigel Gresley 60008, Dwight D Eisenhower 60009 union of South Africa, 60010 dominion of Canada 60019 Bittern and 60022 Mallard out of all six of them only four of them remained in the United Kingdom while 60008 Dwight D Eisenhower was donated to the national railroad museum in Green Bay WI & 60010 Dominion of Canada was donated to the Canadian railway museum in Montreal as for 60007 sir Nigel Gresley he is undergoing a massively needed overhaul at crewe and will not be back until 2022
Sadly Flying Scotsman Lost Her Two Brother Great Northern And Papyrus Its Shame Flying Scotsman Still In Her Career I Hope We Can See Her Two Brother In Museum When They Got Scrapped In Favor Of Thompson
krauss maffei made many german steam engine br 01 -02 40-44 50-52
I find it incredibly more common for people to follow OS Knox records for the LNER locomotives (who is possibly the most bias historian possible) he hates everything LNER that wasn't Gresley, this is from someone who fired the A2/2 and /3s 'they were no where near as bad as people made them out to be contrary to belief they were good steamers and were economic compared to others' Thompson yes made a mistake converting Great Northern but this Fanfare about the P2s really needs to stop yes they were powerful but limited, they were terrible for the rails (why do you think so many things are being changed on the new build with the wheels and leading and trailing bogies)
Indeed. I was an idiot at the time I made this and way less mature.
I hurl when i see large steam locomotives
What about southern pacific’s 4443 and 4450
These didn’t come to mind. I did however just research why they came to yours
where's the link for windows movie maker
Surprised Coronations only get an honourable mention, as they were the best locos to work in this country, when at least 3 more should have survived and I wouldn't include 46242. 46220 , obviously, as doyen of the class and one time speed record holder, 46234 as British power output record holder and 46256 built slightly modified by Ivatt and named after Sir William Stanier. It was also the last member of the class to work. It pulled the Scottish Lowlander in September 1964, ironically both of the A4s involved survived. Some may also include 46236 which worked the exchange trials in 1948.
Going back to Big Boys how about 4015 the last one to work.
BTW horsepower is far more important than tractive effort. Tractive effort is a theoretical figure based on dimensions and boiler pressure. Horsepower is a measure of a locomotive's ability to perform work. The greater the steaming rate the higher the horsepower but the TE remains the same. Two locomotives of different classes could have identical TEs but the one with better boiler would be the more powerful one.
Nzr k4 no. 949 was in a crash in December 24 1953
What about the Union Pacific 119 & Central Pacific Jupiter, the pair that are here today are replicas. The original Central Pacific Jupiter & Union Pacific 119 were scrapped.
Doesn't count for my list. I would say something similar about those locomotives if I got either in a "Reviewed in 10 words or less video"
I drove a bigboy in reverse in msts at 200 mph
Bruh
I don't agree with you about one thing, destruction of Silver Link was greater loss than Papyrus and Great Northern.
Understandable. No human brains are the same afterall that’s just how God made us
I SAID WHAT VIDEO EDITOR ARE YOU USING
At the time I was using Windows movie maker. But nowadays I use kdenlive, beginning with my Strasburg Thomas video
The A 1/1 it looks like tornado drivers got Cut up and smash up and put on a A3
Damn my tooth came out during this video on #1 lol
I can just get an outline of what you are saying in german and I am one!!!
WHO INVENTED THE SCRAPYARD. I AM TEMPTED TO CHUCK THEM OUTSIDE THE ATMOSPHERE.
Bro went peter in 8:07
Yeah, I was still pretty bad at projecting my voice naturally and my microphone I was using wasn't as audible as what I have now
Thompson isnt as bad as you make him seem
Yes
Exactly, because I was an immature idiot creator and terrible narrator at the time. But I'm about to rectify that in the future and save my image from further controversy.
Why do you always do honorable mentions
2509 was scrapped in 1965
😢😢😢😭😭😭 poor steam engines
2156 was sold to the virginian muesum of transportian
More like leased. I came back to St.Louis in 2020
LNER A4 Woodcock is preserved, albeit in Canada and not in the LNER Apple Green
I thought it was 60010 Dominion of Canada that went to Canada?
@@johnnypoker46 Yep
Do nkp 767
silverlink was scrapped in 1965 not 1963
Wikipedia lied to me again
I have one last question...
i’m going to rebuild the y6b 200000
What about the A4 that got bombed and now has a place where it happened in the NRM in York
Wasn’t that sir Ralph wedgewood?
@@vinniecross1092 Yes. However, that name was later applied to another locomotive of the class, which eventually became BR no. 60006
I actually have that at number 5 in the script of a planned Halloween video I haven’t made yet. I sadly didn’t have enough time last summer to finish it though. That video was going to be a Halloween special in the form of a 3rd installment of this series, in which I’d also address my acknowledgment of how badly I screwed up the 5629 and Thompson segments in the entire top 10. However, I was able to finish up a video that’s essentially one of the 5 segments from that video and it’ll premiere this Halloween.
This series made me want to pee on the graves on a lot of people...
Bro, that's disgusting
Luckily 2 n-2 berks butsurvived
Did you mean to say “N-1” instead of “n-2”?
i thought 4007 was the only one that burned oil?
No. It was 4005
Hey at least tomsin did not do it two a A4. WHO WOULD LIKE A A4/4
Certainly nobody. Not even him. He only did his rebuilds like that because he was CME during WW2 and was depressed(His wife had died and his home was bombed by the Germans)
WHY IS PAPYRUS HERE
19:56
The whole rant on Edward Thompson towards the end just comes off as unprofessional and unfounded since it's based entirely on the words of writers who specifically wanted to run his name into the ground long after the fact. If you people really want to know the logic behind Thompson's work on the LNER then I would highly recommend watching the *ENTIRE* Railway Mania PODCAST Ep. 5. Here's the link if you are curious, ruclips.net/video/AsY6AW5Ts08/видео.html. More specifically, starting from the 47:40 mark you will learn the TRUE story as to why Great Northern was rebuilt and who ACTUALLY selected her (Here's a hint: It wasn't Thompson).
Bro, I was a F@&king idiot at the time I made this, and in my infancy with making videos, not to mention way less mature. There’s no way I would’ve repeated the mistakes I made in this video nowadays. I’m 3 months short of turning 21 as of this reply. You mature a lot between the ages of 18 and 21.
I WAS MISGUIDED BY MISINFORMATION AT THE TIME; just like with GTW 5629. The current version of me WOULD HAVE NEVER DONE SUCH DISSERVICE because, and never would be doing so since some point in 2022 when I learned the truth of Thompson thanks to H.I.T.D. Had the 2022 version of me or the present written that script, you wouldn’t even be writing this comment since such versions of me would be much more natural and sympathetic rather than biased.
HEY
8:09
So you did little to no research on why Great Northern was rebuilt
Well; Thompson did not “choose” Great northern, he was given her due to the locomotive being in an exceptionally poor condition. Though a test dummy she may have been, the P2’s had a horrid availability problem that was that they were spending a good three quarters percentage more time in the workshops and only about 15% actually doing any form of work.
As a NE fan, kindly do more research next time.
I did do research pal. But holy frack, info on this guy is all over the place with varying accuracy, even at that time, of which I was still in my infancy with this stuff and not as good at it as now, and would have looked at multiple sources and spoken about this from a grey area perspective. And holy F with the impatience and temperament of how you spoke to me like that.
Also, you watch it with saying remarks like that about my old self because I’d learned these mistakes long ago, within a year, before you barged in.
Also, you DO NOT TELL ME to do more research! My brain does it for me buddy.
I hate the football team that's close to Big Boy 4017.
Why
@@mjaysonganal6480 I'm a Bears fan.
Why?😖 why? Did they do this.
Do what?
24:35
Am I the only one who doesn't mind the German smoke deflectors, they're unique and add a unique outline to a fantastic class! Plus what if they had flaps like the Royal Scots. (If anyone got the flaps joke, you have watched TONW, if you didn't, look up The Tales of New Wessex)
No, no, no! They only fit well with German steam locomotives and nothing else.
tell me
To be honest I kinda like the A1/1,A2/1 and A2/3