Servicing the Lionel Lackawanna 1501 (6-18003) Clean, Lube, and Running
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- Servicing the Lionel Lackawanna 1501
6-18003 from 1988
Delaware Lackawanna and Western Railroad
Pocono (Northern) 4-8-4 locomotive
The engine was running sluggish and noisy. A quick inspection showed why, the old lubricant was dried out and sticky.
Follow along as I clean up this loco and get it running better.
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That was surely a job and a half, Dave. All that accumulated gunk can really cripple the operation drastically. That was quite an adventure you took us on to get everything ready to test for a run. It really great to see your careful attention to the details in getting the loco apart and putting it together again. Keeping things clean and in operating condition is no small task. Thanks for the demonstration!
Good job and great tutorial. Your missing paint on the white stripe reminds me of when I was overhauling an old Lionel 682 turbine. After I finished with the mechanicals, I cleaned up the shell. I notice that there was a lot of white paint missing from the stripes on the sides of the boiler. I searched all over my shop and could not find any white touch-up paint. Then I got an idea and looked in the top drawer of my writing desk and found some old typewriter White-out that had not dried out. It was the perfect match. Never throw anything away. 🙂
Perfect, exactly what I needed today :)
Glad the video was of use to you
Lex, could you please do a video on the "new names" that people are given during endowment?
Best engine cleaning process I have seen. I'll watch this several times.
The worm cover should be placed (it is curved so when hammered down it gets wider) so it expands sideways and secures at the recessed area.
One thing I do is punch a small hole in the covers center. This for oiling worm
Oh My Goodness Sake!!! Strong work...great job, Thanks for sharing!!
Thanks. I’m so happy I finally took it apart to service it.
Thanks for sharing Dave. Nice locomotive. I really enjoy your videos
Thanks so much.
I have the Rock Island and the Northern Pacific and I love ❤ them both they both run and pull superbly!!! I have to replace all 4 end wheels that are on the Northern Pacific because they have grooves in them because I ran the heck out it. It would have been nice for Lionel to come out with a one in C.B.&Q. and C.&N.W. road names.
Nice. All good engines. More road names would have been nice
Wow, thanks for documenting this so well.
I am waiting for my recently purchased 1501 to arrive from Trainz. I am also hoping that its in better shape than what you discovered but if I do have to do a tear down & clean up, I have some well documented guidance to follow. It's truly amazing how much crud can accumulate in that worm drive shaft area. Its a wonder that it ran at al before you opened it up.
I have also read on some on-line discussion boards that this locomotive and the Rock Island version had some initial Lionel production issues with its motor bearings. That did not seem to be present in yours besides all that the caked on lubricant.
I noticed that you cut one of the smoke hoses just after opening it up, was it too long or binding in some way?
I adore those Lackawanna passenger coaches you got at the Hamburg show and I will be looking for a similar set at York along with some other goodies.
Thanks once again for sharing your work and skill on maintaining & servicing this and other locomotives.
The smoke hose- I trimmed it because the end was split and wouldn’t secure to the smoke unit. I probably should have noted that!
Say Dave, could you have sprayed contact cleaner in the gear? 🤔
Probably. I don’t recall how messy it was, I do tend to use contact cleaner or brake cleaner to remove the final layer of grime
Super helpful video, Dave! I would imagine that most of these steamers from the 80s and 90s have this problem to one degree or another... you just helped a lot of folks! I noticed that your mighty sound of static... er, I mean steam seems not to work at higher speeds? Have you had a chance to look inside the tender on one of these, yet? Thanks. T4
Hey T4! Welcome back. Hope you are well. Helping people with their trains is why I’m here. 😃
The SOS works fine, I turned it off. I wanted to pay more attention to what the engine itself sounded like after service.
@@dagryffynhobby I have been watching...nice collection of MPC steam.
Use a do it yourself high pressure washer sprayer and then blow dry.
R
Good idea
Thanks for the cleanup how to. It was great to see how you improve the running of an old engine.
Huntt
Thanks!
Dave don't be afraid to wash them down with dawn dish soap after spray down with WD-40 it will get the rest of the junk out and will not hurt motor e-unit. When done washing blow dry everything with air gun.
This will save you some time cleaning out the gunk. Need to get you a dremmel tool to.
Nice job and well done video.
Really? Wash the whole frame? I would have thought the water would be a problem, but I guess if you blow it out. I’ll have to try that. Thanks Harry.
And yeah, I need a dremel. I have a tiny battery powered one somewhere.
Diffitty needed a good Maintenance job.
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I just picked up a Rock Island 5100 Northern, arriving tomorrow. I'm sure this video will come in handy for getting every function working properly. Thanks!
Beautiful engine.
Thanks 👍
Could you use something like Hoppes 9 to clean the old oil out of the gears? If it can get rid of cosmoline then it should work on engines. If not, what is the drawback?
It would probably work. Never tried the stuff.
It works pretty well for removing old grease in small amounts but I've never tried it in the amount that Dave would have needed for that major degrease job.
If I ever do I'll let everyone know!
As an old military guy let me tell you the way cosmolene was removed quickly from rifles or machine guns was for soldiers and Marines to jump in the shower with the cosmolened weapons, turn the water on full-hot and hold the weapons under the water. (It was OK for them to yell "OW! OW! OW!" while doing so.)
Made a mess but it worked!
As an aside, the military doesn't use cosmolene anymore, weapons going into long-term storage are given a light coat of a synthetic oil and vacuum packed in plastic sleeves.
By the way, I was going to suggest STP carburetor cleaner but I'm sure Dave already knows about it.
I’ll have to do the same with my rock island 4-8-4 . Done some but not as thorough. Enjoyed watching Dave!
I like all your videos but I especially appreciate tear-downs like this one because I wind up directly applying your "do's and don'ts" directly to maintaining my own small fleet of postwar locos. Thanks for making this one -- Grease is the Word (but newer is always better than old)!
Great video Dave!
It sounds like a happy locomotive.
Tutorials are always enjoyable!
Thanks
Oh geez, it's a good thing you cracked that open! Great looking engine and puller. Just as I suspected, it has the same chassis as the 611. Also similar to the Berk. Good job!
Hey, thanks for the speedy response to my facebook post 👍
Professional job as always. Too bad this profession doesn't pay well otherwise we would all quite our day jobs.
I see that you swapped out the observation trucks and have all cars running now. A+++ on that. Your gear junk reminds me of when I bought one of the celebration series magnetic cranes. I read from numerous sources that the plastic worm gears seize because of the cheap lubricant they used. The one I bought was new in the box and sat for 20 years. When I tested it, yep, it was seized. Tore it apart and found the grease solid as a rock. Soaked the worm gears in mineral spirits for a day, then scraped it all out with the same angled pick you used. Now they work great. I use lithium grease that I get free at work from my machinists on all my gears. Works great. Love these videos and they give me the courage to tear things apart.
Hey Dave, that’s a beautiful engine. When you were getting all that crap out of the gears and worm I was thinking, oh heck no, he’s gotta break it all the way down and really clean that baby. Sooooo glad that’s what you did. I bought a 1970’s never opened ABA unit diesel and the gears were all caked with dried grease. No where as bad as what you had there but one thing I learned was buying unopened older items you have to service and clean before using. Beautiful job.
Nice job on the maintenance there Dave. When I clean the old grease out I usually use some CRC electric cleaner and turn the gearbox upside down and douse it so the particles I missed can fall out. Glad to see your engine running well again. I had one of these when the first came out in the late 80s. I think they made the Lackawanna and then the Rock island after. It was the first new casting of a lionel engine in a long time. They also found out after the fact if you shimmed the wheels on the axles .100 spacer on each drive axle it would free the engine up and decrease the chance of binding against the gear box which was a problem for these engines.
Great video Dave, I didn't think that you could have any more dirt and caked in grease in one of those beasties but it sure made a difference once you got it cleaned out. Thanks also for the grounding tip. That would have confused the heck out of me.
Remarkable work and a little touch up on the white stripe and it will look great. Learned a lot too thanks !!!
Basically the same mess I found inside my turbine from 1985. Took forever to get that worm drive cleaned out
Now I’m wondering if I’ve serviced my 6200 - I should probably check that out!
Great maintenance video on cleaning your engine.
Have you ever used CRC QD Electronic Cleaner ?
Again great video 🚂💨💨💨💨💨
Thank you.
I have used it, it does clean things up wonderfully, but I try not to use solvents like that on my trains. I get exposed to enough of it at work.
Would suggest that you get a SS cooking restaurant tray, fill it with mineral spirits, this for "parts washing". I have such about 14" long & 3" deep.
"Acid wabs" is an inexpensive brush to dab away old grease.
Dental tools are hobby-cheep to scrape away at worm gears, etc.
R
Great idea. I do need a much better parts washing set up!
Another great video Dave I had to do the thing to my Chessie Steam Special Berk an I had to repair the chuff mech. in order for the Mighty sound work properly
Thanks. Yeah that chuff mechanism is touchy
Well done Dave! Very meticulous and thorough. Doing that center drive gear was painstaking, but your perseverance paid off, and also taught many others that some things like that take time to do, but absolutely needs it. Have you thought about soaking some things like the ball bearing thrust washer in kerosene overnight. I find that kerosene is a great cleaner of old grease, especially on small pieces, and hard to reach locations.
Thanks. Soaking things over night, yes, in kerosene, no. I don’t like using things like that, fumes and whatnot.
Hey Davie nice steam engine and repair video and clean and I think the motor last much longer then eunit does and I only fixed diesel locomotive not steam locomotive
Thanks. The motors should last forever with a little maintenance and new brushes when needed.
The contact points on the e units are so small, they tend to get dirty and burnt easily.
Great video Dave, always love your step by step teardowns and re-assemblies. Nasty gearbox, now pulling very nicely. Thanks much. You skipped your usual pawl check and clean on the E unit.
Thanks. I skipped the e unit because it was fine, clean and working well, and I’m a little burnt out on eunits! Haha.
An excellent tutorial Dave! If I ever latch on to one of those 1501's I'll certainly keep this video in mind!
One thing I didn't think of the other day, if I remember correctly those E-L passenger cars are K-Line products? If they're like the K-Line car set I've got (not scale) they may have a lighting system a bit different than what you're used to. Instead of two independent lamps they may have a series of lamps that look like Christmas tree mini-lamps. Nothing wrong with that except the multiple lamps will draw more power and cause you to use a higher throttle setting than normal, just something to be aware of.
Thanks Wayne. Good point about the lights. I’m sure at some point I’ll change them over to LED. Maybe. Depending on the bulb type I may just try a led replacement bulb.
Very informative!!! Thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching 👍
Very interesting. I have the Reading version and years ago one of the wires on the tether from the engine came off. Anybody who can tell me exactly where each of the 3 wires go, I would be appreciative. Great 👍 video, Dave.
If you've got the model number (or catalog number) try going to Lionel's website and see if they've got a wiring diagram. They just might even with that older model you've got.
3 lubes: automatic trans fluid (light oil)
30 weight motor oil. (Mobile1 if you wish) for medium eight.
EP90 (car rear oil) for open gears.
The L hobby oil too expensive.
R
Good alternatives, but I’d personally rather not use the petroleum oils. Petroleum degrades over time. The synthetics should retain their properties much longer.
I bought a three pack of Labelle over a year ago, and I still have some left. I’m ok with 25/30 a year. But like many things, we all have our preferences.
One thing you might consider is Break Free CLP in the aerosol can. It is a gun cleaning lubricant that breaks up dirt and old grease while lubricating at the same time.
Being an old shooter myself I couldn't help but wonder how good ol' Hoppes #9 would work to break up that old grease. But until I try it myself I'm hesitant in recommending it. It cleans darn near everything else!
Another great one Dave! Very nice locomotive!
Thank you!
The 1501 was one of the first Lionel locomotives I purchased many years ago. I did a lot of tweaking with the help of the late Jim Barrett of o gauge railroading magazine. He did a two-part article on the foibles of this engine. I added a sound Commander many years ago to eliminate that sound of scratch and have been very happy with this engine since then.
Did jim barret pass away
@@kensbackshop6399 Yes he did, I think almost two years ago. Heart attack. Very sad indeed, I really enjoyed his columns in "O Gauge Railroading."
I THINK (I could be wrong) OGR offers Jim's columns on disc.
I am pretty sure that every issue of ogr is available digitally. Mr Barrett was a class act and will be missed.
Great video,Dave. Thx
Thank you!
Nice loco Dave!
Thanks!