R.C. Sproul: One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church
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- In the Nicene Creed, we confess that we believe in “one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church.” But what do we mean by this confession? In this message, Dr. R.C. Sproul explains the meaning of this basic confession regarding the nature of the church.
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I thank Christ Jesus, my Lord, for delivering me from the empty religiosity of Romanism, and bringing me to the knowledge of his salvation. All the works, rituals, ceremony, theatre and tradition of old Babylon, I now consider garbage, compared to knowing the living God. All glory to the Father, who reconciled a people to Himself, through His Son. It is in Christ himself -- not in religion or works -- that the sinner has been redeemed. What Good News!
amen
Tell me as an ex Catholic, born again (I’m assuming) do you think it’s possible for a catholic to be born again? As Catholic’s claim that every single one of them aren
Also praise God for your salvation ✝️😍🙏
@@darcie7773 I constantly remember my dear family before God in prayer, and all Roman Catholics, that the Lord would have mercy on them as He did for me, a sinner. I ask God that He would open their ears to the Good News, and that they would forsake religion (ritual, sacraments, the tradition of men, 'good works' etc), for the Salvation that comes in Christ Jesus, our Lord. I do believe that there are Catholics, Muslims, Jews, and other religionists around the world who are being saved even now, because God shows no favouritism, and calls all peoples -- from every tribe and tongue -- to come to repentance. Jesus, the Messiah, is a Light to the nations. Yes, even in the Roman system, a sinner can be reconciled to God, and in due time, that redeemed person will be led by the Spirit to leave his religion (often at very great cost), but the Lord will sustain him. All glory to the Almighty!
Persian Drum thanks for leading that prayer as I’m not so good at articulating I may use that in the future :) .. of course the power of God can reconcile absolutely anyone no debating that, I was curious to see if you believed they could stay in Catholicism after rebirth , think I got your answer anyway ... praise God friend ! May the hope and peace and joy of Christ be with you ! ✝️😍💪🏽
Thank you Lord for our dear brother. Rest his soul. So grateful for his teachings on RUclips.
Good riddance religious bigot now he's going to answer to God and Jesus Christ for bashing his one and holy Catholic Apostolic Church
And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. - John 3:16
Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out.
-Acts 3:19
If you’re in North America, please go check out any of the churches available to you: PCA, OPC, Rpcna/Rpc, Urcna, or a canrc church
(These are conservative and actual Presbyterian churches)
If you can’t find one of the conservative presby churches then, maybe a Lcms Lutheran church.
If you are Scottish, I recommend the Free Church of Scotland and the APC.
(Different from the Church of Scotland)
If you’re English I recommend the Evangelical Presbyterian Church in England & Wales and the Free Church of England
(Different from the Church of England)
Also online you can look up church finders for each of the groups, it will show you locations.
Dr. Sproul is my favorite teacher. He is sorely missed, but has left behind a body of work that is unequaled. We will see him again in the Kingdom, though, and can thank him for all he has done!
Sproul knew the truth about catholicism but his pride could not escape being subservient to a vicar that actually represents Jesus in his body...justification in reformed Theolgy can be scripturally demolished on all angles ....these Catholics are not stupid..they have the promise to preserve the truth...otherwise Christianity is a joke of chaos...
@@fredrios1402...like in purgatory....right? Paying for your own sins...yes?
Is he your new Messiah or something or a little god?
@@kevinrtres actually not praying for your sins but paying for your sins. It's like making gold pure it has to go through fire first
@@riclmena9395 ...so what did I write?
There's no purgatory in the bible - doesn't exist - not even close.
Besides, who decides when you've had enough in the fires of hell that you can be released? You or God? Can't be God because the bible clearly states that it is appointed unto a man once to die then face the JUDGEMENT.
Once you've been judged to be short of the glory of God you go to hell and then into the eternal lake of fire. No purgatory, no escape either. Catholics are simply fooling themselves believing the lie.
I've never heard an RC Sproul sermon, but that was inspired by God and it's what I wholly believe.
And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. - John 3:16
Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out.
- Acts 3:19
If you’re in North America, please go check out any of the churches available to you: PCA, OPC, Rpcna/Rpc, Urcna, or a canrc church
(These are conservative and actual Presbyterian churches)
If you can’t find one of the conservative presby churches then, maybe a Lcms Lutheran church.
If you are Scottish, I recommend the Free Church of Scotland and the APC.
(Different from the Church of Scotland)
If you’re English I recommend the Evangelical Presbyterian Church in England & Wales and the Free Church of England
(Different from the Church of England)
Also online you can look up church finders for each of the groups, it will show you locations.
And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. - Jeremiah 29:13
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. - John 3:16
Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out.
-Acts 3:19
If you’re in North America, please go check out any of the churches available to you: PCA, OPC, Rpcna/Rpc, Urcna, or a canrc church
(These are conservative and actual Presbyterian churches)
If you can’t find one of the conservative presby churches then, maybe a Lcms Lutheran church.
If you are Scottish, I recommend the Free Church of Scotland and the APC.
(Different from the Church of Scotland)
If you’re English I recommend the Evangelical Presbyterian Church in England & Wales and the Free Church of England
(Different from the Church of England)
Also online you can look up church finders for each of the groups, it will show you locations.
The Bible says the church is the body of Christ & the body are those who believe the gospel. Christ is the head according to scripture. It's so simple!
nparksntx It is so simple that you have 48,712 different Protestant denominations all from 7,957 verses.
nparksntx Amen to that.
Marty Zang Yeah but the church has gone astray. Its like gossip. Someone says something to another and when they say it to someone, they add to it. By the time it gets to the 20th person, the whole story has changed and theres no trurh to it. History has it recorded. Thats why so many churches started up, to start over straight. But not many were not tempted by money.
nparksntx Did you get this Denise Barragan.
@alray
just another, pagan
Why would the pope say, " a personal relationship with Jesus Christ is a dangerous thing." It's contrary to our belief and is blasphemous to the Gospel. Yes, everybody makes mistakes. But, the bible says the bishop must be blameless. How much more the pope? Just as Jesus was blameless, we who teach the word and lead people to Jesus Christ ought to make sure we teach truth according to the Word of God. No one is worthy to step into Jesus sandles or even latch them. Who is worthy? We are deciples, followers of Christ and apostles, teachers of Christ. NO man can stand in the place of Jesus and make sacrifices for the mass. It's not biblical. Jesus died once and for all. He said, "It is finished." All former things have passed and a new covenant was made.
It is sad that you, Rebecca do not understand the 'paradoxical' use of language that the Pope uses. As a paradox the meaning is just the opposite to the statement. It actually means that having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ demands that one has to give up all worldly ways, that one cannot continue to live according tot he 'flesh'. In that sense it is 'dangerous' to a worldly life style to which one is used to.
Rebecca Ponce u get things wrong when u view others view from ur own view points and that is dangerous to urself and ur family so save ur self
You have it right Rebecca. Get your doctrine from God's word, not these foolish men who just love to hear themselves talk.
Matthew 6:7
7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
Acts 20:29-32
29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
32 And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.
That pope wouldnt say that unless you exclude the father and the holy spirit.
Even in Revelation John talks about the seal of the scroll that NO MAN can open and he weeped because of it . Only ONE MAN can and that is YahWeh our great redeemer. The Christ.
Love this teaching. Thank you Dr. R.C. Sproul! So sad to read so many commentaries supporting the harlot church. May the LORD bless you for your ministry to the true Church of Christ.
Its interesting that you can hate and insult the beliefs of a group of people
How do you feel about that.
There is the Catholic Church and the mess known as Protestanism with it's 45,000 different denominations.
Isn't it interesting that Protestants can't agree with each other, which is why there are so many different denominations, with the exception of when they're bashing Catholics.
@Teler Tubby.Poor guy died of heart attack and left behind a spoilt son.I wish he had spent time raising him and not bashing the Catholic Church
What’s a harlot church
@@matthewdavis4981 the unholy catholic "church". the mother of all harlots
"The church does not createThe Bible The Bible creates the church." RC Could not have said that any better at the end. I am going to miss him.
reformation 1 That is logically false, the entire Roman Empire both East and West was Christian before the Bible. Bible 397AD council of Cartagena, Bishop in charge St Augustine, Catholic Bishop of Hippo.
@Mic Micson
another pagan
@Rodrick Evans Your old testament the protestant Bible was rewritten after the last revolt by the Pharisee Rabbi as reaction to their loss of the revolt. The Hebrew Bible didn't exist after the exile to Babylon in 585AD, the Jewish slaves returned to Israel speaking the language of their masters the Babylonians which was Aramaic a related language but Not Hebrew. The Greeks conquered Israel and ruled it for close to 300 years, the Jews was Greek speaking subjects of the Greek empire and continued to speak and write Greek even after the Romans conquered Israel. The old testament was rewritten in Greek in Alexandria because the Jews lost their Aramaic. Jesus read the Greek old testament in the synagogue and the apostles and Paul quote from it. So your Moses garbage is just garbage. The old testament you use was used to reject Christ by stripping the Greek books that supports Christ. The old testament you accept which Jesus never saw, the Apostles never saw and Paul had been dead 80 years before it existed. If you accept that old testament why not Simon Bar Kokhba who the writers of your old testament selected as the Messiah instead of Christ.
All apostolic Christians accept the Septuagint not something from 145 years after christ's birth.
@In Lucem _took out 7 Deuterocanonical books_
This is a straight up lie.
@@thomasmcewen5493 lots of lies and half truths in this post
" There must be unity in the Church" Everyone one of us has our own theory who Christ and we missed HIM completely .One Father ,One Son ,One Holy Spirit
The word Catholic is not the religion Catholosim
The meaning of the Word Catholic which is a Greek word means this Universal
The one true Holy Universal Apostolic Church
It has nothing do with Roman Catholic religion
The Orthodox were and still use that phrase in its liturgy still today
They were one until the schism, yet there are men in the Roman Catholic Church who hold the old traditions. prior to Vat.2
@ce g *Bible does not say Roman Catholic Church = true church of Jesus. Neither history. You are making false claims with no proof.*
you said
true church of Jesus,
@Kevin McLaughlin *Bible says otherwise. Try reading the Bible some days. Roman Catholic Church was NOT the Church Jesus founded. It came in AD300s by Rome.*
*Roman Catholic doctrines deviates from Scriptures 95% of the time.*
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The early Christians were One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic. That same Church exists today in union with the Holy See of Peter. Same doctrine for 2k years.
Jesus saves.....not religion......but believing God for everything! We are blessed to have the word of God, the Bible....and most importantly the Holy Spirit, otherwise we would never see the truth. We don’t need men to give us the truth, we have the Holy Spirit, like it says in the Bible you will never have to be taught but it will be revealed by faith.
He knows the truth now. I pray God mercifully received his soul.
@ Tom McKemma, Did he not know the truth before now?
@@barryoghagbon3917 No, not completely. Unless he was infallible.
@@tominrichmond examples ? thanks
@Believer *BIble does not teach water baptism saves. Where in the Bible says so?*
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Think about it. Also not all protestants believe baptism in unto salvation.
One of my pet peeves: a Protestant teacher who doesn't believe in the teaching authority of the Catholic Church just takes a teaching of a Catholic Church council, adopts it as true, then ignores that it came from the Catholic Church. Finally, the protestant teacher modifies what it means to avoid the uncomfortable aspects of the teaching -- i.e. we know all believers are "one" because it is invisible. They make this modification because no on could claim that ANY protestant denomination is "catholic" or universal. Especially in this example -- the Catholic Church adopted these 4 characteristics to define something ABOUT ITSELF. One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic. No Protestant Church can claim to be one, catholic, or apostolic. And holy is a stretch since they were all founded by men (rather than Christ himself).
Extraordinary speaker, teacher, Theologian, Pastor and leader. No notes, only extemporaneous deliver. Amazing servant of Christ.
And just about Catholic
@@jgood3047 100 percent Catholic in the sense of Universal (as in the Apostles's Creed), but by no means Roman Catholic. He was the biggest and most outspoken voice against Evangelicals and Catholics Together in the mid 90s.
@@joeiiiful Amazing! An Island unto himself. Would have made a good Roman Catholic like so many other non Catholic conversions. We Catholic will continue to pray for the repose of his soul anyway.
@@jgood3047 you mean Roman Catholic.
Everything he just spoke is complete refutation against the Roman System
@@drummerhq2263 Yes, the Holy Roman Catholic Church. That same Church that developed from the beginning mentioned in the Gospels. The same Church that was in fact the reason Western Civilization also developed in parallel for Centuries to this very current date. The Early Church , Catholic and centered in the Roman Empire , Rome . The same Church that developed the western university system, the hospital system, Science and exploration to the New World that followed . So what exactly is the refutation? Its simply one mans opinion of the Universal Church , the Catholic Church . And now he's dead and his flock has dispersed to unknown systems themselves unlike the Catholic Church thats be around from the day of Pentecost. How could a system( as you suggest) ever survive? Must be miracle. Cheers!
Praise G O D for a purposeful life Dr. R.C. Sproul. I have been brought to the fullness word! We love you! ❤💛✝️🛐
Sure did waste time disparaging the Catholic Church. Guess a guy has to make a living somehow. By the way , he's dead and gone and the Catholic Church is still alive and well. Always others to take his place with the same results RIP
@@jgood3047 The catholic cult is leading many astray with its false teachings and traditions of men
@Believer *Too bad. You are wrong. They did not have bible but they had Scriptures. They did walk into the Church (house churches) with Scriptures. Acts 17:11. How else they search the Scriptures to see if what the Apostles said were true? Acts 17:11.*
you said
And no one walked with a bible into church nor under their hand nor had one at home.
Thank you dear God for this humble teacher. Paul's letter to Timothy expounds the same message. Timothy 3 : 14 - 16. There is no room for argument nothing, what once was outside our understanding, God in his great wisdom has revealed it in his word. It exercises and excites me to devour the word of life. Paul sums it up, it's no longer I that liveth, but Christ that liveth in me. Oh what a wonderful savior.
Thank you, Ligonier, for sharing RC's messages with us.
The Catholics record of London Ontario - Sept 1, 1923 states,
"Sunday is our mark of authority... the church is above the Bible and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact." THIS STILL STANDS TODAY.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OBSERVING SUNDAY OR THE SABBATH WILL BE DETRIMENTAL TO OUR FAITH. Deut 7:4 For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the Lord be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly.
Josh 24:15 15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
We cannot follow the traditions of old. From grandmother to mother to daughter. Search truth in the Word of God.
Mk7:5-9 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands? 6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. 7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. 9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. THIS IS THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH.
It probably is.... The Catholic church is the authority on the bible though seeing as it wrote, collated, published, preserved and translated it.
@@Kitiwake But, they are wrong to change the teachings. You cant teach something for many years then one guy says, let's not teach it 5his way. It's all in satan's plan and those who dont know any better will follow it.
@@bjaquez6 Let the catholics have the CC. They deserve whatever they get.
@@Kitiwake The RCC didn't write the bible. Jewish converts to The Way of Christ (the early Christian church before RCC formed), actually wrote the NT, and Jews wrote the OT. The RCC later collated the canon, and the NT from a latin translation. Other bible scholars translated the bible we have today, but were martyred by the RCC for it, because the RCC didn't want the bible to be available to the laity. It was a group effort of Catholic and protestant, but we can thank the martyred reformers that we have it available to us now.
@@KitiwakeI’ve never seen a Catholic study the Bible. Most don’t believe it infallible.
@ce g *You are preaching man made doctrines. None of your verses even mentioned Roman Catholic Church as the Church. What's the point of you misquoting verses and claim it to be true?*
you said
Brothers, do not be fooled by false prophets.
i´m proudly Catholic.
ONE;
John 17 21
that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. (one church)
Ephesians 4 4
Walk in Unity
I, therefore, the prisoner [a]of the Lord, [b]beseech you to walk worthy of the calling with which you were called, with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing with one another in love, endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. (one body=one church)
Ephesians 5 29-30
For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as the Lord does the church. For we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones. (one body=one church)
Ephesians 5 25
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, (one church)
Ephesians 3 6
that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel, (one church)
Matthew 16 18
And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. (MY CHURCH=one church)
HOLY;
Ephesians 5 25-27
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish. (Jesus himsel sanctifys the church, it is holy)
Ephesians 3 7-10
of which I became a minister according to the gift of the grace of God given to me by the effective working of His power.
Purpose of the Mystery
To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things [c]through Jesus Christ; 10to the intent that now the [d]manifold wisdom of God might be made known by the church to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places, (Saint Paul says he is saint, so the church is holy)
Ephesians 1 1-2
Greeting
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God,
To the saints who are in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus:
Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. (Saints in the Holy church)
John 20 22
And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.(holy church)
CATHOLIC;
Definition; Universal in extent; involving all; of interest to all
Mark 16 15-16
And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. (Jesus send them to all the world, into a catholic mission)
Matthew 28 19-20
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen. (all nations=universal=chatolic)
ACTS 1 8
But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be [c]witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.” (world wide=chatolic)
APOSTOLIC;
Matthew 10 1-4
And when He had called His twelve disciples to Him, He gave them power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease. Now the names of the twelve apostles are these: first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James the son of Alphaeus, and [a]Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; Simon the [b]Cananite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed Him. (Jesus founded the church with the apostles=apostolic)
Mark 3 13-15
And He went up on the mountain and called to Him those He Himself wanted. And they came to Him. Then He appointed twelve, that they might be with Him and that He might send them out to preach, and to have power to heal sicknesses and to cast out demons: (Jesus founded the church with the apostles=apostolic)
Matthew 16 17-19
Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not [g]prevail against it. And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth [h]will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” (Jesus chose the apostols, and established the papacy and clerical hierarchies=apostolic)
John 21 15-17
So when they had eaten breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me more than these?” He said to Him, “Yes, Lord; You know that I love You.” He said to him, “Feed My lambs.” He said to him again a second time, “Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me?”
He said to Him, “Yes, Lord; You know that I love You.” He said to him, “Tend My sheep.”
He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of [f]Jonah, do you [g]love Me?” Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, “Do you love Me?”
And he said to Him, “Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You.”
Jesus said to him, “Feed My sheep. (Papacy apostolic church)
I want to know how many Roman Catholics accidentally pressed on this video😂
RC, I’m born again, I’m saved! ; no religion is my forerunner; my forerunner is the Holy Spirit, My deliverer is Jesus, and He will present me before the Father as a suitable bride to Himself; He will approve because of my relationship with Jesus and his Blood. In all this talk, where is his blood? It’s on me, it’s in me!, is it on you, is it in you? The young man in the window fell asleep and fell out the window; this is happening in the church today!!!!!! Thanks RC for your subtitle teachings.
This is false teaching of Rome. Do you know that the passover lamb is not a sin or redemption offering? Its an obedience offering and faith that God will deliver his firstborn sons from death. This is what happened as Hebrews 5:7, Isaiah 53, Psalms 18, 22, and many others teach you. Its a metaphor for YOU. If you obey God's commands he will deliver you. Why do you think you were told to pick up your own cross and your old man must be die (Adam). If Jesus died for your sins he should have died on the day of atonement and he if he paid the wages for your sins, he should be in hell forever for you. Unfortunately the catholic church and her mystery religion led believers into pagan idolatry. Worshipping a man as God is an abomination that Jesus warned you not to be deceived by.
Every teaching is good, this one is great!
@Louis Whitehead *Mat 28 speaks of baptizing in the name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit. Where in the Bible says its Acts 2:38 only for salvation?*
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you have to obey the Apostles doctrine of Acts 2:38-39 which is the salvation plan for us today . The Apostle Peter said in verse 38-39 “ Then Peter said unto them , Repent , and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins , and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost . 39 For the promos unto you , and to your children , and to all that are afar off , even as many as the Lord our Gad shall call “
A giant amongst men, a giant amongst theologians, a giant for Christ.
Plain and simple truth. People read your bibles. We are not being good christians if we dont know what our faith is. We cannot be a good anything, Dr, mechanic, teacher or Christian, if we are not taking the course and learning the subject.
Dear Rebecca, I am certain neither you nor I have studies the Word of God like Scott Heart on this thread has. He knows the protestant perspective in a way I do not. He did not want to know it's flaws. The battle for us is not of this world. It is spiritual. We are all deceivable. We all need to come to Christ with our guard down and be open to Him.
Lucem what are the differences in salvation issues of the translations you listed?
People read the catechism of pope john paul II. Your cannot understand the deposit of faith by merely reading scripture alone.
@Lucem Compare the different translations. See what each is saying. There is no difference but the simplicity of each version to help one understand. Some though are off and not used by many. You can compare them side by side. You have to search deeper. Catholics teaches that studying the bible is for those who want to become a priest and that the priests is our guide. Not true. The holy spirit is our only guide, Jesus Christ is our example. The priests dont even know the truth how can they teach it. We each need to search the truth with all that we are. Many will not find it. Narrow is the way to righteousness and wide is the way to damnation. My words, same meaning from scripture Matt 7:13-14. I pray for all to be saved. There is only one mediator between man and God and that's Jesus Christ.
@@Kitiwake that is a lie of the Devil. God didn't know enough???
this is awesome! love it :)
Hebrews 4:14 JESUS is our Great High Priest. He is the only one we need to pray to.
One unholy catholic church and unorthodox church
i despise all opinions but mostly my own that is why i trust only the bible the word of god
Amen.
Romans 3:4
4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
Great mind and teacher!
James 3:14-18
But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
@Louis Whitehead *Where in the whole of NT says all converts were baptized in Acts 2:38 only? Are you saying Jesus is a liar to say "baptize in the name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit?*
*Of course its Singular. God is One God and 3 persons.*
*Where in the Bible says Father Son and Holy Spirit = Jesus' name? Pls prove your claims.*
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Every convert in the book of Acts was baptized in the name of Jesus Christ only . Anything else is man made doctrine . There’s absolutely no place in the Bible where anyone was baptized in the titles of Father , Son , and Holy Ghost . Peter and the apostles understood what Jesus meant when he said “ Baptizing them in the NAME ( singular ) of the Father , and of the Son , and of the Holy Ghost “ was Jesus name .
If people would spend more time critiquing themselves, as opposed to looking for what they think is wrong with the world, fellowship would exist in abundance!
Great teacher! As a carpenter I love that podium
25 volumes of theology. I can only wonder whats in them. Im glad Jesus yoke is easy and his burden is light. And why do catholic speakers just stand there and try to convince everyone the CC is the true church.
Excellent theological teaching by the late Dr. R. C. Sproul. 😊
@Thomas McEwen *Scriptures came 300 years before all these claims. Jesus and Apostles were already using inspired Scriptures. They did not suddenly become inspired just because some Church claimed so.*
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That is logically false, the entire Roman Empire both East and West was Christian before the Bible. Bible 397AD council of Cartagena, Bishop in charge St Augustine, Catholic Bishop of Hippo.
Your problem is you can't accept the fact that God inspired the scriptures written by man had the same man had to discern to what scriptures ( god inspired ) are they. How about the Gospel of Thomas ? Why wasn't to included? So many others . Yet it was the Church that finally discerned those new testament that you and I both trust to be inspired. Just the facts. RC Sproul is a lier and a false teacher.
On this lecture RC Sproul clearly unveiled what most people think are unnecessary for salvation. He touches every subject of faith. Holy God, Holy church, holy time, holy place, holy saints .... Holy Spirit... everything... thank you RC and may you rest in peace with the Lord...♥️♥️♥️
Really? Just what is necessary for a person to get imputed righteousness from God other than believing that on the cross, Jesus Christ paid the entire sin debt the individual owes God? "For by grace are you saved through faith ; it is the gift of God, not by works lest any man should boast
Amazing message by RC.SPROUL on the one Holy Catholic and Apostolic church. Beautiful explanation.
Thanks to the ministry.
Hmm.. yes the Catholic Church.
That's not the Roman Catholic Church now.. which only exists in the minds of Protestants.
Doctrine. I’m sure that RC has exactly the right place in heaven.
Matthew 16: 15-16 Then He (Jesus) asked them, “But who do you say I am?” Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah (the Christ) the Son of the living God.” Peter was the first apostle to recognize and declare who Jesus was. The church is built upon a confession of faith not upon Peter.
Guys...”Catholic” means “universal”. Saying “Catholic Church” is NOT the same as saying the “Roman Catholic Church”.
There never was a Roman Catholic Church. The word "Roman" was added on in the 17th century by Protestants in an attempt to distinguish between the Catholic Church of their era with the Catholic Church of the Nicene Creed.
A true Christian preacher would NEVER let there be any appearance of confusion on the matter.
1 Thessalonians 5:21-22
21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
Psalm 71:1
1 In thee, O LORD, do I put my trust: let me never be put to confusion.
Isaiah 41:28-29
28 For I beheld, and there was no man; even among them, and there was no counsellor, that, when I asked of them, could answer a word.
29 Behold, they are all vanity; their works are nothing: their molten images are wind and confusion.
Isaiah 45:16
16 They shall be ashamed, and also confounded, all of them: they shall go to confusion together that are makers of idols.
Jeremiah 7:17-20
17 ¶ Seest thou not what they do in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem?
18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.
19 Do they provoke me to anger? saith the LORD: do they not provoke themselves to the confusion of their own faces?
20 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, mine anger and my fury shall be poured out upon this place, upon man, and upon beast, and upon the trees of the field, and upon the fruit of the ground; and it shall burn, and shall not be quenched.
1 Corinthians 14:33
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
SO lets be specific and say THE Vatican .. which is the roman religion
Exactly.
@@RollTide1987 the Nicene Creed isn't the problem. It's called Roman due to being run by the bishop of Rome. Too bad it wasn't the bishop of hippo ;). And yes it is called Roman as it isn't the universal church...the body of all believers.
obviously, these well meaning people who support the Catholic Church have never really read and studied the Bible.
Catholic Councils of Hippo and Carthage have decided on the canon of the New Testament and compiled the Inspired Scripture. So amazing how through Chinese whispers people claim the Catholic Church has never read the bible. The bible is read at every single mass every single day in every single Continent. If you are a daily mass goer the entire bible would be read out in three years. Yet, fundamentalist will twist every Truth and present it differently.
Nonsense Roger. My son's who went to a traditional Catholic school were able to talk circles around their 'Bible Christian' relatives when it came to knowledge of the Bible. Not only that, but many Non Catholics (like our in laws) do not have purity of intention-they are not open to the grace of conversion because they have such a hardness of heart. Their religion, sadly, is not about proclaiming the doctrines of Christ, rather it is a doctrine of anti-Catholicism. I encourage to you look up Steven Ray, a convert to Catholicism and to read the Church Fathers. Steve says that the early Churches all had 2 things in common; a priest and an altar.
'sons'-2 of them.
Absolutely Dr. dunkelweiss ! Steve Ray & Dr. Scott Hahn on the Eucharist. Nicholas on Old & New Testament.
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Ernest Roger yes we have
The Nicene Creed is from the 4th century - 1200 years before Martin Luther.
Your point?
People make the mistake that Christianity is splintered, it's not, the Church is not divided. What you actually have are those that have left the Church and are attempting to carve their own path.
thank you Rc sproul really
95% of what Sproul says about this topic is what the RC Church teaches. He is so close yet so far! Ireneus was not using the Bible against the heretics - it did not exist then! He was using the Apostolic authority because he was ordained by Apostolic succession. Unbroken connection to the Apostles is necessary for to be Apostolic. No 'protestant church' is Apostolic.
I respect Sproul very much in many of his teachings! May he rest in Peace! (RIP)
George you are wrong there is no Catholics secession of lineage of popes that is a fable of the Catholic Church Constantine is the first. Pope. Watch the series with Bible scripture and it will prove to you Peter was not the first pope he was a petrol source Mall Stone of The Rock Petra is a boulder that is Christ Peter even referred to Jesus in the original language as the Petra. All true Christians are Petros and that is the church not a succession of popes in lineage that you were taught by Catholicism paganistic rituals.
@Robert Lulek
There is a gigantic catholic literature from the first 3 centuries of the Church... much before Constantine. I'm sorry, but you have been fed lies.
St. Ignatius, bishop of Antioch, in "Epistle to the Smyrnaeans", in the year 110 AD, writes:
"See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church."
St. Irenaeus, bishop of Lyon, in "Against Heresies", Chapter 3, par. 2, in the year 180 AD, writes:
"Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such a volume as this, to reckon up the successions of all the Churches, we do put to confusion all those who, in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing, by vainglory, or by blindness and perverse opinion, assemble in unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I say,] by indicating that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church, on account of its preeminent authority, that is, the faithful everywhere, inasmuch as the tradition has been preserved continuously by those [faithful men] who exist everywhere."
So you see, what the early christians understood as Catholic Church is the Church established by the Apostles, the most important one being the roman one, established by Peter and Paul. St. Irenaeus in his second century "Against Heresies" talks about the apostolical succession of the Popes, naming all the bishops of Rome (Peter, then Linus, then Anacletus, then Clement, etc). The great historian Eusebius of Cesarea, in his work "Church History", written around year ~300 AD, also talks about the apostolical succession in Rome and other cities.
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@@clubedejurupari my brother,
I have for a decade now trying to talk sense to protestants, they wont accept it, if they argue biblical, i replied biblical, but they would shift to historical, whrn i replied historical they would start talking contemporary, when i talk about that they use parallel theories that i know has no point of meeting.
Then start to quote all over again the sale of indulgences, etc.. If that doesnt work, insulting all the doctrines and catholic worships, etc..
In conclusion, pointless to argue or teach somebody, whose ingrained nature and culture and religion started with rebellion, fighting, hatred and disobedience in the 16th century.
George are you a roman catholic ?
Please look up "The Conversion Center," and the "Gospel Catholic" publication. These are joint ministries that reach out to priests, nuns, and attendees of Roman Catholicism, seeking to convert them to Christ alone. They help priests and nuns, who once had been supported by the RC Church, but are now displaced and destitute, having left. It's a worthy ministry to support.
I don’t understand why people think Catholics need man (Protestants people to save us when my church teaches and I personally believe that I was redeemed by the blood of Christ
and only by the blood of Christ!!!!
I don’t understand why you don’t think where Christians???? We are
Born again at least my family is I can’t speak for all Catholics!
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Amen to both of your comments, but surely you're aware that RCC teaching adds trusting in Mary, and praying to her and the saints, which is forbidden by the bible. The pope, the priesthood, statues (idols), are all antithetical to the Scriptures. God pleads for true believers, in Christ, to come out of their false religions.
@Believer *You are wrong once again. Bible does not teach Apostolic Succession - APostles to new Apostles. Bible teaches Leadership Succession - Apostles to elders/leaders. Titus 1:5 says so. After the times of the Apostles, all churches went independent. They had their own leaders, own councils, own canons, ... They did not go back to Jerusalem for councils anymore. But as a whole they were still the Church (consisting of all churches + all believers).*
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et some think because they study Gods Word they can open their own church but Paul talks of succession by laying on of the hands. This is what Gods word points to.
great teaching.
It was Ignatius of Antioch who said that "wherever the Bishop is, let the people be, even as wheresoever Christ is, there is the Catholic Church". So this already demonstrates, at a very early stage, the authority of the Bishops. Furthermore, what is spurious and unfounded in Scripture is Sproul's notion of the "invisible church". This is a completely and utterly false. Finally, Irenaeus was not concerned primarily about the authority of Scripture. Indeed he even states that the Gnostics take Scripture and turn it into a picture of a dog. He was advocating the preservation of the Apostolic faith found in the Tradition of the Church.
Si: Most scholars reject Ignatius' alleged writings as forgeries and reject them all as fakes, believing they were written about 250AD in an attempt to (even then), promote catholicism. Almost nothing is known about the real Ignatius and most importantly, your claim in NOT found in canonized scripture which is the true test, like it or not.
Theres 15 Ignatius' epistles. The seven middle ones of the recension are the ones accepted as authentic: Ephesians, Magnesians, Trallians, Romans, Philadelphians, Smyrnaeans & Polycarp. Isn't it convenient that the balance (8), are the ones that mentions the catholic dogma the church wants verified AND the catholic church alone accepts? Most scholars reject the"8" as forgeries. Educate yourself. BTW *quote not qoute
I find it fascinating how hard you argue for a system that is known to be historically corrupt and unbiblical. 2 Timothy 3:7 ...always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth" Have a nice day.
You've denied every claim scholars know to be true. I stopped for 1 reason alone: Proverbs 26:4 "Do not answer a fool with his own stupidity, or you will be like him" - Have a nice day.
@Believer *Faith Alone is a doctrine that says Salvation is Not By Works. Two third of New Testament that says Salvation is Not By Works (Faith Alone Doctrine).* Luke 23:43 - the thief at the Cross believed in Jesus and he was in Paradise thereafter. NOT WORKS! John 1:29 - Christ the Lamb of GOD who takes away the sins of the world ... (NOT OUR WORKS) John 3:16 - saved by believing in Jesus. NOT WORKS! Acts 16:30-31 - saved by believing in Jesus. NOT WORKS! Rom 4. Vs 1-2 - justified NOT BY WORKS! Vs 3 - Abraham believed (FAITH) and was accounted as RIGHTEOUSNESS. Vs 4 - WORKS are debts . Vs 5 - he who DOES NOT WORK is JUSTIFIED . Vs 5 - God justifies the ungodly, Vs 5 - FAITH was accounted as RIGHTEOUSNESS. Vs 6 - Blessedness Apart from WORKS! Imputation of RIGHTEOUSNESS by FAITH. Vs 8 - imputation of RIGHTEOUSNESS apart from WORKS! Vs 9-10 - Abraham was made RIGHTEOUS BY FAITH BEFORE ANY WORKS! Vs 9-10 - Abraham received seal of RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE FAITH by imputation. NOT WORKS! Vs 11 - Promise to Abraham was through RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE FAITH. Vs 14-15 - Faith is made void by works of the law, works of the Law brings Wrath, Not salvation. Vs 22 - Abraham believed (FAITH) and was accounted as RIGHTEOUSNESS . Vs 22 - RIGHTEOUSNESS imputed on those who believed. Not those who WORKS! Rom 11:6 - IF IT IS WORKS, IT’S NO LONGER GRACE . 2 Cor 5:21 - GOD made Jesus who knew no sin to become sin for us, that we might become the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD. Gal 2:16 - not justified by WORKS OF THE LAW, BUT BY FAITH IN JESUS. BY WORKS OF THE LAW, NO MAN IS JUSTIFIED! Gal 2:21 - if RIGHTEOUSNESS comes through the law, then Christ died in vain. Gal 3:1-5 - Paul said Christians who started by faith, why end up following WORKS of law (not only Mosaic laws)? Are you made perfect by flesh (WORKS)? Gal 3:1-5 - Did God do miracles by your faith believing or by your WORKS of law? Eph 2:8-9 - saved by grace through faith NOT BY WORKS. Eph 2: 8-9 - salvation is a GIFT. NOT WORKS! 2 Tim 1:9 - saved NOT according to our WORKS. Titus 3:5 - saved NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS. 1 Pet 2:24 - Christ (the Lamb of GOD) bore our sins … (NOT OUR WORKS).t
@Fr. David *Too bad. You are wrong once again. We do think Jesus meant spiritual food. So its true food. More than 5 times Jesus said its referred to believe in Him for Eternal Life. Jesus did not teach C - lism. The issue is not really even open for debate.*
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If I understand your denomination correctly, Jesus said, “this is my body” but your denomination says it is not. Jesus said His body is “true food” (John 6) but your denomination says it is not true food. The Bible says five different times to eat of Jesus’ body and drink of His blood so the issue is not really even open for debate.
FOLLOWERSHIP in YESHUA HaMashiach is NOT universal. The Roman pontiff can claim that his religion (R. Catholicism) is a UNIVERSAL religion but that's NOT the FAITH of YESHUA HAMASHIACH. Hence, the use of the term CATHOLICISM is not quite representative of the true faith of those who FOLLOW the Messiah YESHUA/
Hence our belief in a small c catholic (universal church)
"Church" is from "Kirk" which is from the Greek "kuriou + oikos," "House of the Lord." The word "oikos" is "house," and the root of the prefix 'eco-.' A steward in scripture is an "oikonomos," an economist. "Catholic" is from the Greek "kata" + "holos." "Pertaining to the whole."
@Believer *Still promoting theLs of R Church? Bible and history do not say R Church = the Church. Neither R Church giving any New Testament. Nt Scriptures was written by Jewish Christian Apostles. Not R catholics.*
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The Church gave us the New Testament,
The Unity that we ail seek Jesus expressed so well." where twi or more are met in "my" NAME.... THERE. " I " AM"
The Roman Catholic Church
The Church is one
The Church is holy
The Church is apostolic
The Church is dynastic
The Church is Hierarchical
The Church is messy
The Church is Mystery
The Church is teacher
The Church is Mother
The Church is universal
The Church is sacramental
The Church is authoritative
The Church is visible
The Church is unchangeable
The Church is missionary
The Church is the Kingdom of God
The Church is TRUTH
The Church is the bride of Christ.
The Church is the mystical body of Christ
The Church is in the world not of the world.
*Bible does not say Roman Catholic Church = true church of Jesus or the original Christian Church. Neither history. You are making false claims with no proof.*
There is nothing holy about Roman Catholicism... it's idolatry. They even removed the 2nd commandment to prove it.
5winder
Lol 😂
Let’s see what Luther believed.
Martin Luther: Sin Boldly - “No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day”
What’s the sixth commandment?🤔
Let’s see what Jesus said about adulterers shall we?👀
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? (Do not be deceived:) neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, (nor adulterers,) nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
Idolatry is what happens when your evangelist adorn $2000 suits and spend big time bucks on cosmetic surgery, clothes, jewelry, remarriages & jets. They live in opulent mansions & make religion a commercial activity. Fundamentalist, you need to turn inward & introspect on the fact that Martin Luther, the Father of Protestantism & lies gave you a bunch of false doctrines that you still cling to. He fragmented the Church the one body of Christ & lied to you.
5winder They didn't remove it the old testament until today in apostolic churches is the Greek Septuagint translated by 70 Jewish scholars around 220BC, Jesus read from it, the apostles quote from it. Your Old Testament was written to disprove Christianity by the Rabbi because they rejected the Greek language because they blamed it for the fall of the temple.
5winder True, thank you.
Denise Braganza You can't condemn ALL Christians because of a few bad apples. Look at many people from the bible like King David and King Solomon. King David returned to God after his great sins thru true repentance, but after much loss, like many of us. King Solomon was a man of the outward appearance and filled his temple with money and gold. Jesus rebuked the temple because of their outward appearances, laws and traditions but no change in their hearts. You can't say, God only is here in this place, How ignorant is that? Jesus who is the Word of God speaks for God because he is God. Jesus is the church wherever the people are joined together in his name, (Bible hearers and doers of the word) not traditional keepers. I think only small minded people would think God is only here or there. POPE FRANCES WHO SHOULD KNOW WHAT GOD'S WORD SAYS BUT TEACHES CONTRARY, IS BLASPHEMY, STRAIGHT OUT. IF YOU DEPEND ON SOMEONE WHO THINKS HIS WORDS ARE GREATER THAN JESUS, YOU ARE SETTING YOURSELF UP. THE POPE HOLDS A HIGH PLACE FOR A PEOPLE AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT SO WRONG.
@Believer *Too bad. You are making circular arguments once again. Bible does not say R Church = the Church or Christ's Church. Neither History. Neither Jesus. Neither God. Neither apostles. You will have to prove this but you cant. No R Catholics could. So why would it be a contradiction?*
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His word flows from those filled with His Spirit who are in His Church. But to attack His church with the word of God is a contradiction.
I too have heard many times that people are fine with Jesus but detest Paul, but invariably they mean Jesus as social reformer - not as God
On point number 2.... How can this "idea" of a church be "holy" when half the members practice the abomination of praying to dead people(mary,peter)?
They don't pray to them, they ask for their intercession. The custom to pray for the dead comes from Judaism (even today many Jews have a custom to pray for their dead). The development to ask for the intercession of the saints comes from the belief in older Christian Traditions (Orthodox, Coptic, Oriental Orthodox, Catholic, Eastern Catholic, etc) that there is no separation between the Church on earth (Church Militant) and the Church in heaven (the Church Triumphant). The saints are those Christians who finished the race and are in heaven constantly praying for us (i.e. the cloud of witnesses) and why older Christian Traditions ask for their intercession. Protestant denominations have a significantly different understanding of life after death and the composition of the Church, which is one of the reasons Protestants don't have a custom of praying for the dead nor for asking for the intercession of saints.
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I might clarify that the dead are only dead in the flesh, not in the spirit, so they are alive in Christ;
"We are confident, then, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord." (2 Cor. 5:8)
Elias Calisto;
Yes Catholics pray to them.
They pray asking them for guidance, they ask them for help to conquer trials and tribulations, they ask them for better health and wealth, they ask them to take their sins and petitions to Jesus.
There is a whole list of hundreds of Catholic canonized patron saints in which Catholics pray to asking them to resolve whatever problem they have.
Jesus said to bring our burdens to Him directly.
What part of that don’t Catholics understand?
@@bornagainsaint1friend, I can only encourage you to dive deeper into the theology and history behind it. Don't just compare Protestantism to one church (the Catholic Church). Look into the history of saints and how it is understood by the Orthodox and Coptic Orthodox as well, for example. The practice has been part of Christianity from the beginning. Athanasius, for example, the defender of Christ's incarnation speaks about it; so did Basil the Great who at his time became one of the biggest defenders of the Holy Spirit in the trinity as doubts about the Holy Trinity arose. Of course Christ is the mediator, but if we're going to be consistent with the claim that we should only ever go directly to Christ for help then let's stop asking for prayer requests from anyone, ever, as we should only be directing our requests directly to Christ himself. If I said I don't need friends, my pastor, or my family praying for me because I should only go directly to Christ himself for prayer would you agree with me? I hope not.
Elias Calisto:
You have really missed the point.
The living can pray for the living asking Jesus in His name to help each other.
But when we pray TO OTHERS in their name it is absolutely wrong.
It is idolatry.
As far as those who have passed on praying for us and taking our burdens and petitions to the Lord is not biblical.
Jesus said to give Him our burdens.
Jesus said to ask seek pray and knock in His name only.
What part of this don’t you understand?
The Bible led me to the one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church. And it looks nothing like the unauthorized assemblies that I’d been part of for most of 50 years. And her 2,000-year treasure chest of Saints and writings are far wider and deeper and richer than all the teachers and preachers of private interpretation that I’d consumed, to include Sproul. And her bishop is seated in Rome. By God’s grace, I am now Roman Catholic. My conscience required entrance into the Church. I could stay away no longer. Question: which mischaracterization of the true faith keeps you out of St. Peter’s Ark? Which false Protestant teacher do you rely on for your teachings about the Catholic Church? These are serious questions from a long-time, former Baptist-then-PCA believer, now Latin-rite Catholic.
Faith in one Please tell me more about where the Bible came from, and why you believe it is authentic.
i am sad when i hear people say they are back to the roman catholic church ..as many are being led astray...think of constantine making christianity legal after so many christians were put to death up to 313 a.d . after he did that while also including the pagan religions of the day. ie the many non biblical traditions of the rcc. when the real rcc didn"ow up until 6th century. also ,broke with greek and russian group over baby baptism ..also not biblical.
Cathy Vagts if you knew the Catholic Church to hold the true faith, you would certainly not stay away, would you? Of course not.
Many of the things you hold as true are assumptions, or errors. I know from first-hand experience. If you wish, I am happy to discuss with you. I am happy to share some reliable resources. (Don’t say, “I have the Bible”. Indeed, the Bible led me to the true Church.). You might pick out one objection and see where that one leads. (It’s hard to discuss a dozen things at one time.)
@@dannycollier5507 Just one small question. What do you make of the direct statement by R.C. Sproul that there is no and cannot be any apostolic succession because of the very fact that only Jesus can make direct apostolic appointments?
kevin ruiters I would like to reply later when I have more time. In the meantime, recall what happened after the death of Judas Iscariot. In Acts we read where the apostles appointed another person to take his place. Jesus is the Head. The church is the body. So, ultimately it is Jesus making the appointment. The head and the body are one.
This is because there was an office to fill. The apostles occupied offices started by Jesus and perpetuated through time. This actually happened in history. Matthias was the first instance.
@Believer *Church refers to believers of Christ based on Bible's definition. So what's wrong with Churches (believers) coming in ad1500s? There were also true believers before that too; hidden in all churches all around the world.*
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Protestantism came in the 1500s shortly after the Mormons and the Jehovah witnesses and all other cultic sects Developed
@Believer *"Exact Word Criterion" is not a proof for doctrines. The word "trinity" is Not in the Bible; but the doctrine is. The words "Faith Alone" is actually in Romans 3:28. It appeared in multiple Old Catholic Bibles; R Church deleted that after Luther exposed them of the m m doctrines.*
*The doctrine of Faith Alone is in the Bible. Faith Alone = Salvation Not By Works. Two third of New Testament says Salvation is Not By Works. Dont you ever read the Bible R Catholic supporter?*
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Where does it say faith alone? God says do not add to his word nor take from it. And I am not a Catholic but being honest with myself
Did Jesus say that there was a Catholic church?
Yes. Jesus said to preach the Gospel to the whole world. Whole world = universal. Catholic means universal in Greek. The Catholic Church is the universal Church composed of the Body of Christ.
Honestly NOPE. I was catholic for many years, bio father killed himself, step father died of cancer, I personally survived war (Afghanistan), prayed or tried praying to other saints like Mary but got NOTHING, suffered other trials, even now but have kept faith in God. NEVER did I did I feel I needed to stay catholic or return to Catholicism at all. Not once. The word for whole world is global not "universal" and Jesus never would have believed in the ridiculous doctrine that we as infants carry sin or guilt that our parents commited. Jesus actually said, " suffer the kids, and forbid them NOT to come to me...except ye be as the little children, you cannot enter heaven." He would have been far more clear about us being as baptized children or kids with no sin. Either way, I know my tiny tiny babies and really small children in my family have NO sin cuz they CAN'T and it's NOT fair at all that innocent little children would carry "sin" they know nothing about. You tell me if an aborted baby struggling to breath really needs to be baptized. Tell me a loving just god wouldn't embrace a dead child that couldn't comprehend between good and evil.
@@morelmaster You're a liar and a deceiver. Jesus was always or NEVER was the leader of the catholic church. NO WAY, just NO WAY Jesus was the founder of a church that massacred and tortured many people on both eastern and especially western hemispheres to enforce its beliefs and faith. No way Jesus would have let so many pedophiles get COMPLETELY away with raping kids and violating their minds. No way Jesus gave his God appointed, strict, sole position as mediator, messiah, the way, the truth, and life to even his mother. Neither would christ change drastically the way His holy priestly authority was organized which was with 12 apostles and a prophet who would continue with more apostles, 12 of them, as Judas was soon replaced with another called an APOSTLE. Not a pope or cardinal. So much error in catholicism blinded more by its own hand.
@@bobbq8380 WOW, DELUDED AS THEY COME. REPENT.
RCC is EVIL
@andy watson:Yes RCC is evil, closed minded and lead astray by a papacy that wants so much to be hailed as Christ Himself.The papacy calls itself Holy Father.That is so wrong.We must be like Christ, but we are not Christ, we are not thee Son of God.
Yes. Whatever RCC is ...if you say so
@@bornagainsaint1 what about Abraham... Was he a holy father and was he wrong?
which church descends from the 4th century church? the catholics.
@Fr. David *Too bad. Even Orthos do not believe in m m doctrine of Transubstantiation of R Church. Neither in eating Physical Jesus.*
*Orthos believe in Real Presence - Presence Jesus present during communion. Not eating Jesus physically.*
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Jesus said, “This is my body…this is my blood” (1 Corinthians 11:23-30) and only Catholics and the Orthodox have the guts to believe His hard teachings.
Why Is The Catholic Church Holy?
First of all, no church is holy unless its source is the source of all holiness. Think of an organization, any organization, if its founder was a murderer, adulterer, robber, would anyone join it? I hope not for those who joined such organization associated themselves with its founder. On the other hand, a good organization, founded by good people, and for good purposes can always have bad members, and bad members don’t make a good organization bad unless the organization condoned its members’ bad behaviors or actions.
The Catholic Church has its source in Jesus Christ, the source of all holiness; flows out from this source of all holiness can only be holiness. For this reason, the Catholic Church is holy, and not only the Catholic Church is holy it is also always holy for it is the body of Christ, and the body of Christ is always holy. Eph 1: 22, 23, (22) And he put all things beneath his feet and gave him as head over all things to the church, (23) which is his body, the fullness of the one him who fills all things in every way. Eph 5:23 For the husband is head of his wife just as Christ is head of the church, he himself the Savior of the body.
So the Catholic Church is holy. What then can be said about the sins committed by Catholics? Let’s think of an innocent child. If, for any reason, this child had to bear horrible looking wounds on his or her body, would these wounds take away the innocence of this child? Definitely not! In much the same way, the sins committed by Catholics are the wounds Christ still bore on his holy body, the Church. These wounds, no matter how horrible they are; they can not take away the holiness of Christ body, the Catholic Church. St.
Paul made this clear, Col 1:24, "Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ on behalf of his body, which is the church.” In addition, Christ founded his Church for no other reason than to continue his redemptive and sanctifying work in the world, to make disciples of all nations, and to lead all to holiness. So if the Church itself is not holy, it can not lead its members to holiness. This, however, does not mean members of the church are holy. In fact, they are sinners, but through the Church, Christ pours out his graces to cleanse, to sanctify, and to make holy sinful members so that Jesus “might present the Church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish.” Eph 25:27.
As a recap, the Catholic Church is holy because it has its source in Christ, the source of all holiness, and because it is the body of Christ. Though Catholics are sinners, through his Holy Church and by the power of the Holy Spirit, Christ continues to cleanse, to sanctify, to prepare, and to adorn them as his unblemished Bride for his return.
The RCC took out the 2nd commandment because they don’t want to face the truth that they do worship dead people and idols.
They don’t want to face conviction of their sin of idolatry.
So in order to avoid conviction of idolatry this same church uses the wrong scripture to support their idolatry.
So it goes from bad to worse.
From loving their paganistic ways to the twisting of the word of God.
bornagainsaint1 Lol Catholics don’t worship dead people and idols
David Figueroa;
LOL
Yes they do
bornagainsaint1
Okay, prove it.
David Figueroa;
The rosary - praying to Mary in HER name is idolatry.
The Catholic prayer Memorare to Mary is wrong, in this prayer catholics are taking their sins to Mary and telling her they are sorry.
?! WHAT ?!
Is that enough proof?!
bornagainsaint1 Praying to Saints is not idolatry. The book of Revelation tells us that those in Heaven can hear our prayers and offer them up to God. Also, we do not worship Mary. Only God can be worshiped. Any Catholic who worships Mary is committing a mortal sin.
@Believer *Too bad. These are not real histories. They were just traditions. Traditions are not known to be accurate in history, doctrines, chronologies, and other things. Give you an example: Jerome and many writers claimed Peter was in Rome for 25 years. All based on traditions. But based on Chronology of Peter in the Book of Acts, its totally impossible.*
*While R Catholics claimed all these as real histories. We who study more know they are just traditions which are often half accurate. So please do not take doctrines from these in accurate traditions. It's good to know. But they are not doctrines.*
you said
John 16:12 “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now…. Do you know how Peter died? And if you do know, how is it that you know. The Bible don’t tell us, Good Bible teachers will tell you Peter was crucified upside down. But they know this because this is what church traditions has taught. We know of the apostles martyrs because of the ancient church. We would not know of the history of the church in Protestantism for they were not there.
Some churches are busy complaining abt what day is holy to worship, arguing what ways of worshipping and what to worship! These divide their unity in Jesus! Some pastors like to blame and badmouth others esp the catholic, accusing them of worshipping by pagan ways but look like their love for God has eroded as manifested by their envy and hatred for their other brothers in Jesus.
The Catholic Church is the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, founded by Jesus Christ by his own authority and on the faith of St. Peter and the Apostles.
The Holy Bible came out of the Church, not the other way around.
There is no other Church, nor will there ever be.
Sproul was a Calvinist heretic. How sad.
At least sproul could point in writing to where his beliefs and doctrine came from. It would be worse if he believed in stuff like papal infallibility, immaculate conception or the assumption of mary. With no sound evidence or reason to believe it to be true other than we declared it to be true so you have to believe it. so before you run a man down perhaps you should examine what you believe and is it a different gospel to the one the apostles taught. Have they added things which could cost your soul?
@@giznob
I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.
I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.
I believe in One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come.
Amen.
@Peter Cho you can't use the apocrypha to try and prove Scripture
@Peter Cho can you give me where Jesus said that with the book and verse numbers?
@Peter Cho where in the Bible is that?
Sproul,: The Catholic Church is the "ONE HOLY APOSTOLIC CHURCH".Scripture says: There is only ONE Church. Psalms 127:1, Matthew 16:18, 1Corinth 3:11, Ephesians 1:22,4:5 How come Protestants have so many Methodist /Presbyterian, SDA, Anglican, Episcopalian, Lutheran, Baptist, Salvation Army, Dutch Reformed Church, Unitarian, Pentacostal……..teaching false doctrines that conflict with the bible. God is not an author of confusion. So who is behind the confusion regards abortion, remarriage, divorce, contraception with regards to the hundreds of denominations.
The bible is very clear on divorce Christ did not permitted it. So how come it is allow in Protestant denominations ?
Remarriage, is not permitted by God ....yet Protestant evangelist do in public.
You have been decived
Many of the ones you mentioned are cults/ false gospel. As to the rest of your question why so many...RC addressed that.
Actually, Scripture does make exception for divorce.
Sorry learn history and the he bible and you will know better
😂 10:18 guy is probably like why pick that moment to put the camera on me
@Believer *Amazing. You are using fallacious argument. R Church is still here does not prove its the Church. Why? Church of Lucy came a long way too. Is it the Church of God too?*
you said
AMAZING the gates of hell will not prevail against her.
Looking at the Catholic Church deeply for over 20 years in the Bible and History, all the beauty of it, the good, the bad, and the ugly in the end I had to come to mother Church.
God bless you and may our Lord keep you in the fullness of His care.
Looking at the Church since the apostles established churches 2000 years ago, i've seen many men depraved, make many mistakes. But in the end they brought it to the one thing that mattered, Jesus Christ. In the end I never came to Christ Jesus, Christ Jesus came to me.
stick with your mother...true believers will go with the Father
baptist to catholic The catholic church is a works church. A church that tickles the ear. Bible teaching churches you will feel the conviction of the holy spirit. That is when your sins are revealed by the spirit and you have a true repentance and turn away from your sins. Not just go to confession every now and then but still sin every day. There has to be a change of heart and mind to be one with Christ. The catholic church don't even have bible study ever! How will you know truth? The priests are not sovereign, only Christ Jesus. They have led you astray, all like sheep have gone their own way. They are wolves in sheeps clothing. The outward appearance is fake for their hearts are wicked. Mark 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
baptist to catholic I too missed the beauty of the church, but its just that, a church, a building. Not where the BODY of Chirst dwells in the spirit of the people.
The only church that possesses these four attributes is the Roman Catholic Church. No other has the ability to recite this section of the nicene creed without seeming silly.
Yet, there they are reciting it nevertheless....did you notice what happens when you put the word *_ROMAN_* in front of the word *_CATHOLIC?_*
* Aposles Creed: We Believe in One. Holy, Apostolic & Catholic Church. The Communion of Saints, the Resurrection of the Body...
Within theology, why would a god that first said the Jews were his chosen few, send a son to earth who ended up preaching that without Christian doctrines, the Jews could not be saved?
Sproul might as well become a Roman Catholic after this grand conflation of the Invisible Body of the Faithful in Christ with church buildings and Institutions of hierarchical authority.
Hey R.C., do you know who said "where ever the Bishop appears, there let the people be; as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." He continues, "It is not lawful to baptize or give communion without the consent of the bishop. On the other hand, whatever has his approval is pleasing to God. Thus whatever is done is safe and valid". Do you know who said that RC? St Ignatius of Antioch said that in the early second century. I don't know about you, but I will believe Ignatius over you any day of the week. You don't even believe in Bishops and there we have one, who was a contemporary of the Holy Apostles, confirming the authority of the Bishop and thus the Church.
Nothing but romish traditional bunk
Its a real quote...
The irony, here Sproul is talking about unity of the church, yet, reading the comments in here, there goes that sermon out the window. Save your division for another time and place. smh
Nobody want unity with Mary worshiping idolaters.
There’s only one Church that fits those descriptions
A) “The Pope… can dispense above the law; and of wrong make right by correcting and changing laws.” (Pope Nicholas, Dist. 96, quoted in “Facts for the Times” pp55, 56. 1893)
B) “The Pope has power to change times, abrogate laws, and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ.” (Deretal De Translat. Episcop, Cap) [See Col. 2:9, “For in Christ dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.”]
C) “Sunday is our mark of authority… The church is above the Bible and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.” (Catholic Record Sept 1, 1923) [Good enough for Christ, but not Christians eh?]
D) “She took the pagan Sunday and made it the Christian Sunday… and thus the pagan Sunday dedicated to Balder (Baldr, Baal-Tir, Baal) became the Christian Sunday sacred to Jesus.” (Catholic World, Mar. 1894, p.809)
E) “Of course the Catholic church claims the change (to Sunday) was her act… and the mark of ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters.” Letter Oct 28, 1895. C.Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons
F) “He (the Pope) can pronounce sentences and judgments in contradiction to the rights of nations, to the law of God and man… He can free himself from the commands of the apostles, he being their superior, and from
the rules of the old testament.” (Deretalia, de Translat. Espiscop, Cap) [A man to over-rule God’s law, really?]
The Bible states that a 666 Beast shall speak great words against the most High… and think to change times and laws…” Daniel 7:25-26… He (the 666 Beast) ‘thinks’ he can, but really?]
No wonder the Vatican proscribed the Bible & murdered hundreds of so-called heretics for having & studying a copy of the Bible in their native language.
See Luke 12:32, "Fear not, LITTLE FLOCK; for it is your Father's good pleasure to GIVE YOU the kingdom."
I wonder what happens to the BIG flock? The one with the BIG number of 1.3 billion?
1 Peter 2:9, "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a PECULIAR PEOPLE; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light;"
How can a church be called "peculiar" when it has the name Catholic, a name that translates directly as Universal?
Why does the Catholic Church church place itself above God?
And so test the spirits:
1 John 4:1-6: "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but TEST the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already. 4 Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. 5 They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world, and the world listens to them. 6 We are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us; whoever is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of error."
To be clear about the 666 beast, the Bible is very specific, which is why a certain 'Universal Church' has tried to corrupt the & proscribed the Bible from the time of Constantine. By its pompous, corrupt authority, it has changed the Laws of God (Ten Commandments) by removing the 2nd, changing the Lord's Day, Sabbath Day from Saturday to Sunday for pagan 'sun'-worshippers & split the 10th in two to make up for the one removed. See Exodus 20 & compare to a Catechism.
It is curious how Roman numerals for the Latin names of this universal/ occult church add up to 666.
For example, in the Bible's prophetic code Roman numerals are an important key. Other ancient cultures that had alpa-numeric counting systems include Hebrew & Greek.
Looking at Roman numerals to solve this ancient riddle is however most revealing, for exaple, the Roman Catholic Church claims to be the NUMBER ONE CLERGY.
In Latin, NUMBER ONE CLERGY translates literally as "DUX CLERI". Apply Roman numerals to this term & then 'count'/ add.
"Let he who has understanding" realize that a "beast" in Bible prophecy is always a king or a kingdom. See Daniel 7:17 for confirmation.
(Wonder later, how this also works in Hebrew & Greek, when using their terms for the same king & kingdom.)
"Here is wisdom, let he who has understanding count the number of the beast, for it is (also) the number of a man and his number is 666."
So, "let he who has understanding COUNT the number of the beast". Rev 13:18
So, a critical identifier of the 666 beast is "his number". The only place in the Bible where 666 is mentioned in prophecy is Revelation 13:18.
The Greek word "anti" also means "instead of".
Start counting in Latin numerals, but this also works in Hebrew & Greek. You do the research.
Recall: I = 1, V = 5, X = 10, L = 5, C = 100, D = 500, M = 1000. U is a modern Latin letter derived from V. V & U both represent 5.
Number One Clergy = DUX CLERI.
So "count the number of the beast", one of its many identifiers using its own counting system.
D= 500, U = 5, X =10 & C = 100, L = 50, E = nil, R = nil & I = 1.
DUX CLERI has a 'number count' of:
500+5+10 + 100+50+0+0+1 = 666.
Now, what’s the job description of the Pope?
Would Vicar of the family of God do? In Latin that's VICARIUS FILII DEI
5+1+100+0+0+1+5+0 + 0+1+50+1+1 + 500+0+1 = 666.
So what's Italian for King of Roman Priests?
Try, REX LATINVS SACERDOS
0+0+10 + 50+0+0+1+0+5+0 + 0+0+100+0+0+500+0+0 = 666.
It also 'counts' in Greek & Hebrew, in all a total of 14 descriptions of the Vatican & the Pope revealed it & he as the 666 beast.
A) “Sunday is our MARK of authority… The church is above the Bible and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.” (Catholic Record Sept 1, 1923).
B) “She took the pagan Sunday and made it the Christian Sunday… and thus the pagan Sunday dedicated to Balder (Baldr, Baal-Tir) became the Christian Sunday sacred to Jesus.” (Catholic World, Mar. 1894, p.809).
C) “Of course the Catholic church claims the change (to Sunday) was her act… and the MARK of ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters.” Letter Oct 28, 1895. C.Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons.
D) “The Pope… can dispense above the law; and of wrong make right by correcting and changing laws.” (Pope Nicholas, Dist. 96, quoted in “Facts for the Times” pp55, 56. 1893)
What an abomination
FYI. Catholics are nt bound by everything the pope says or does. But you didn't know that did you?
I doubt if most of this historical, worldly stuff works today.
It's true we are not bound by the old testament but view it thru the perspective of Christ.
Therefore for example, Adam and Eve's and Noah's Ark's actual existence is optional belief for Catholics.
@@Kitiwake No harm intended Pat, but please study the Bible & understand why in these last days of earth Christ pleads to a group of His people to, "Come out of her My people, lest you receive of her plagues." The Vatican fully intends to re-unite church & state, a death decree will eventually be issued against who do not keep the commandments of Rome, even those contrary to God's immutable Laws that govern all the heavens & earth.
Insane. If R C Sproul (RIP) was a member of a Church which was in fact Apostolic, he would be able to trace its lineage back to the Apostles with documentary evidence as can the One True Catholic and Apostolic Church which R C Sproul had condemned as a false Church. This talk is utter non-sense. So sad that millions of otherwise decent intelligent people are so decieved.
You're still making the mistake of believing that the true church of God is a religious organisation, rather than the body of Christ of true believers in Christ.
@@risingdawn5788
Don't get hung up on the word "organization" as if it is something negative. Here's the definition of organization;
An organized body of people with a particular purpose.
I would say that the Body of Christ fits this definition, wouldn't you???
Yes that's a fairness point. I was trying to convey the idea of a God made "organisation" as the body of Christ, versus a man made organisation like the Roman Catholic Church.
@@risingdawn5788
Actually, the Protestant Church fits the description of a man-made church, whereas the Catholic Church as we know it, was founded by Jesus Christ. And just because the word "catholic" isn't found in Scripture certainly doesn't preclude the early Christian Church from being identified by another name shortly after the Apostolic era, which indeed happened. It is in the writings of Ignatius of Antioch that we first see the word "catholic" in reference to the church of Jesus Christ, and that occurred in about 107 AD. Other early church fathers of the first few centuries also speak of the Catholic Church, as well as the Muratorian Canon of the 2nd century, which speaks of the inspired books that were accepted by the Catholic Church at the time. If you are of the mind that the Catholic Church did not come into existence until the 4th century or later, you are badly mistaken. You would do well to study the ECF's writings with a fair mind and see that what I am saying is entirely true.
The RCC apostated from the truth of the word of God in their doctrine long ago, which is why the Protestant reformation happened in the first place. The RCC has since not changed its teachings about Mary as a mediator to God (as well as praying to other saints), it's "purgatory" doctrine, the "mass", and perhaps most importantly, their doctrine of justification before God by works, which nullifies the grace of God in the Gospel and preventing people from understanding how to be saved.
As the Lord Jesus Himself said, "you must be born again."
I thank my Lord Jesus for not putting me in the poisonous claws of the Protestants and it's innumerable tributaries alias denominations.
We are to preach about our Lord
Jesus; not preach against people.
Of course; I believe that Catholics are on the wrong side of things; they're an easy target. We don't need examples of wrong. God will correct the wrong...
including the finger pointers.
Catholicism is not Christian
Not Christian...... My Dear the Catholic Church is the original Christian Church , all the rest are branches for the original. Not to mention the reason Western Civilization took place.
@@jgood3047 *Bible does not say Roman Catholic Church = true church of Jesus or the original Christian Church. Neither history. You are making false claims with no proof.*
you said
the Catholic Church is the original Christian Church
@@browncony3897 Does the Bible have to explicitly say " Roman Catholic Church " is be the true Church. Where would a good Christian find that passage , explicitly.
And if not. what single Church( universal) as we both know Jesus gave to Peter and the Apostles as successors thereof does the Bible name explicitly?
The answer: not found explicitly .
Though like an acorn the Church developed and grew by the grace of God as promised explicitly in the Bible as a ONE HOLY catholic and Apostolic Church, and the only Church in town at the beginning was that universal Church (catholic) that sprouted into a mighty Oak that stands today as the Holy Roman Catholic Church.
If the great 20th century writer C.S. Lewis a devote atheist turned christian ,turned Catholic Christian can reason both theologically and historically the truth of Christ Church , so can any random Christian within a random Christian Churches holding your same understanding.
@@jgood3047 *RCC claimed to be the Church Christ founded (first Church), yet we do not see that in the Bible. So you are just telling me its all empty claims. How would anyone know if you have no proof?*
you said
Does the Bible have to explicitly say " Roman Catholic Church " is be the true Church. Where would a good Christian find that passage , explicitly.
@@jgood3047 *This is another empty claim. Nowhere in the Bible says RCC inherited any authority of Peter. So where is your proof? None again? Yet you claimed its true? Lol*
you said
And if not. what single Church( universal) as we both know Jesus gave to Peter and the Apostles as successors thereof does the Bible name explicitly?
The answer: not found explicitly .
This talk is ridiculous!
RC Sproul wasn’t a Christian
I bet "The Church of the Ladder Up to Heaven #1, didn't add the "#1" until after "#2" came to be.
Can't emphasis enough the importance of these
From reading through the comments it seems a lot of people haven't understood the difference between Catholic Church (RCC) and holy catholic church.
RCC is in the Catholic Church friend. God has His remnant.
@@believer8793 as per my comment, there is a difference between the RCC and the Holy Catholic Church. They're not one and the same thing.
Also the official beginning of the Roman Catholic church occurred in 590 CE, with Pope Gregory I.
Then what protestant church is the church?
@@HearGodsWord Gamaliel gave good advice to Israel. acts 5:38-39 Acts
38 And now I say to you, keep away from these men and let them alone; for if this plan or this work is of men, it will come to nothing; 39 (A)but if it is of God, you cannot overthrow it-lest you even be found (B)to fight against God.” What’s interesting is the Roman catholic church has been here for over 1000 years. Just a thought
@@believer8793 to ask that question just proves my point make in my initial comment.
Holland!!
Within theology, if Jesus supported the Catholic doctrine, then he would have been a traitor to Judaism, which was his birth-"right," where it was, and is said by all Christians, that he was born "perfect."
You will spot the lies, as did I, but only when you are ready and willing.
What is the lie exactly?