Dr Shaym Shakespeare was able to do it right and that was like ‘400’ years ago or some shit She’s called lady Macbeth She was written in the same way as a male character, and she killed herself Shakespeare=👌
True, while she seems and/or looks like real life women possibly ones we know or logically exist in the real world. An that strength shows through anyways whether she's trying to show it or not. It's what made characters like Le Lu (5th element), Ripley, Leia an such great back in the day.
@@Gambit771 what do you mean strong Male characters in media have you seen most movies?in case you haven't most of them have strong Male main characters
it pisses me off that every single female super hero in both marvel and dc universes are always THE SAME EXACT CHARACTER. they’re all black widow. they’re all “i’m tired of cleaning up after you boys” types. they’re all bland STRONG WAMEN. when thor, star lord, loki, the flash, aquaman etc etc are all goofy and funny. there’s literally no “funny” flawed female super heros. there was starfire, but they absolutely ruined her in the live action Titans.
I agree, I was ranting about this shit in school today. I'm primarily a gaming channel, but I feel like I should make a video addressing this stuff, and help spread the word.
@TvT exactly, just do your job and stop trying to prove shit. For example captain marvel trying to kill thanos on her own. like stop and get the fuck outta the mcu
Amen. I think all characters need to be well written, because that is the point of telling a story. Even the most testorene fueled badasses required some depth.
Strangely enough, I think currently the masters of writing likable female characters are the asian countries like Japan in their dramas and anime. Of course, not all of them are good writing as some series are made deliberately to be weak in development to capitalize on some other attribute such as cute comedy's, but ultimately everything right in character development is often seen there. One series, "Btooom!" for example does an excellent job of making a great male and female lead without sinking into the whole stupid battle of the sexes comparisons.
yup. captain marvel didn't work because captain marvel intentionally wasn't given a personality. there's even an in universe reason for that (she was told to supress her emotions), which almost acknowledges that this isn't normal. so idk why they decided to do that.
I often get funny looks from women when I tell them "Dorthy was one of the first strong female leads in cinema." As if the concept ONLY existed in the last 10 years of cinema. I say "Think about it. She kills the wicked witch. She frees the Scarecrow, saves the Tin Man, confronts the Lion, exposes Oz and frees the munchkins and goes on a great adventure. All the while the "Good" witch sat on her ass all those years and a 13 year old with no powers does in a few days what she could not do in years."
@Lizzie Allen Did you comment twice pretty much the same thing or are there really two people who can't spell Dorothy and both write Dorthy instead for some reason?
@@fruitpastel3643 no. He put the " ". It's implied that it's a term only certain people use, coz I don't think most people would consider Brie Larsson's role as that of a strong woman but more of a highschool bully asshole who happens to be a female.
Not to mention McGonagall, Hermione, Luna, Ginny, etc. Honestly the Harry Potter books were great at this. It's a shame JK Rowling has gone nuts over the years.
@@eddiecactus1085 Some people may think of McGonagall as one of those BS masculine female characters, but that's because she knows she has to put up a strong face so her students can feel safe. These are maternal instincts at work here.
But doesn't that seem a bit off to you? Bellatrix is a seasoned Deatheater and Molly, while a strong and protective woman, was never shown to be a fighter, let alone if she has to be up against someone like Bellatrix.
take rey from star wars for an example, she beat a person who has been trained for years and strong with the force, she only just used it. then named herself rey skywalker at the end of the film. vader would’ve killed her on the spot
Honestly I feel like “Strong Female Characters” made me feel bad about liking stereotypical “girly” things. I always observed that people bashed and hated characters that liked pink, dresses, and girly things, said they were a “bad example for young girls”. So I started playing sports, and stopped doing girly things, and I hated it. People should just let people like what they like, whether it be masculine things, or feminine things.
I had the opposite experience. Well, sorta. Never heard anyone bash any female characters. I was very much a tomboy growing up and never thought it made me any less of a girl, until I was constantly told by family and other kids that it did. I didn't see how playing Star Wars with the boys in kindergarten rather than princesses with the girls made me less of a girl (although I just haaaad to be Leia -_-) or wanting to climb trees and play-wrestle rather than... whatever the other girls were doing while I was doing that. I even found that several of them actually did like to climb trees, but didn't because it was a "boy thing". I vividly remember this really pretty girl (still in kindergarten) of a very wealthy family (as in, lived-in-a-castle wealthy. I live in Denmark) asking me almost in a whisper to show me how to climb the big tree in the yard, cause it looked fun but her parents would get mad if anything happened to her dress. Got worse as I got older. Even my mother tried to dissuade me from doing so-called "boy things", despite her being even more of a tomboy than I was when she was a pre-teen and teenager. I would be very interested in learning how to put things together, but my mom's boyfriend would completely ignore me and instead call my brother over to show him how, despite my brother being completely indifferent to furniture-assembling and whatever else. I thought it was fun, like a puzzle to solve. I grew up to experience severe gender issues and I can't help but to think that the "gender is determined by behaviour, rather than genetics" nonsense had at least something to do with it (I don't have said gender issues anymore though, I just can't be bothered to change my account display stuff). The idea that there is a male list of interests and traits and a female list and if you fit more of one than the other, then you're not a real ~insert biological sex~. It's a great way to screw up children's perception of gender. After all, this is what trans-activists claim. But regardless of which side you're on by nature, masculine or feminine, it all comes down to what you said. Just let people be themselves, especially children. A girl doesn't magically become a boy, because she chooses toy cars over dolls. She's just a girl who likes toy cars.
I know right? Like, sure I like pink. SO WHAT? I like flowers? Who doesn't? I like reading?? Why wouldn't I? Know what else I like. I like watching action and playing video games, I like horror and mystery novels and I absolutely love writing bois and dudes are usually my fav characters. ENJOY WHAT YOU LOVE AND DON'T LET SOCIETY LET U SAY UR WEAK!
Avatar The Last Airbender does strong females right. Ty Lee was girly,but not weak,they all fight and had things they stood for. Azula,Toph,Katara,Mai,they're all awesome
@giveagoodsong I kinda disagree... yes, TLOA was generally better, but I don't see where all the anger about Korra comes from... I mean yes, she WAS the "tough woman" trope at the beginning, but she had reasons to, as she grew up knowing about her powers, it was her very character even as a kid, etc... But being a woman was a part of her identity without being just what defined her. Then yes, the villans being males... let's admit that they were way baaaaadly written, agree. I just wouldn't call the entire serie a "feminist fest", that's all. It have soooo many other problems!
@giveagoodsong I haven't really seen anything of that... Watching Korra, absolutely no scene made me think: "Hey, that's how I, as a woman, feel everyday!" - and that should be the target if you want to organize a feminist fest! Same as watching TLAB, which, if I may, brought the gender roles up many more times (see Katara being a "mother", Toph being week, Azula wanting to be the Fire Nation heir - wink wink). And, last but not least, Azula, a young strong woman, was the main antagonist in TLAB, and no one complained! Yes, I see feminism in the Avatar universe when we have good and bad characters both males and females, but I don't see anything wrong with that.
Dorthy from the original Wizard Of Oz was a stronger character than any of the female characters in media these days. Yes you can talk about how she cries and acts scared, BUT what about the other stuff? Like how she threatened Miss. Gulch physical violence if she takes her dog away. How she ran away from home but changes her mind when professor Marvel told her Auntie Em was heaving a heart attack? You guys remember when she slapped the Cowardly Lion for scaring her dog? She even killed the Wicked Witch. And she was the only person of her group to stand up against the Wizard twice. Dorthy was strong because she had a desire and goal that is more noble than anything 3rd wave feminist can achieve. To get back home to the family that loves her.
I was extremely with you until the dig at third wave feminism. Does anyone even know on youtube what the movement is about and in support of? The Hollywood writers of the stereotypical strong female characters represent the massive movement how exactly?
Another great thing about it was we didn't expect her to be the hero. People thought it would be Tom Skerrit or one of the other guys but when they all got killed she had to take over.
"maybe instead of showing a female character can do anything a man can do, she should be shown doing something only a woman can do". Perfectly phrased. Thank you.
For example Katara from Avatar: The Last Airbender. She is a strong character but not independent,she needed the rest of her friends as much as they needed them
@Vick Murray Preach my friend. Preach! If this keeps on going, then we'll be in the same situation we were in before. It's just that the roles are switched this time around. NOTHING WOULD CHANGE.
@@ReCursedy bro don't talk about fanservice. They literally got the ugliest bitch they could lay their hands on for captain marvel. If she was even a little attractive I could've made it through the end of that bullshittery.
God yes! I’m so tired of this “we need more movies with female leads” as if they’ve never been done before. We don’t need more films with female leads. We need more GOOD films that just happen to have female leads. Taking good films that had male leads and rebooting them to have women doesn’t make them good. It means fundamentally missing what makes a good female character interesting. You can’t remake Steele Magnolia’s with men, so why are we are trying to do that with women?
Exactly we already have: Alice from Resident Evil, Trinity from Matrix, Black Widow, Leia Organa, Gwen Stacy from TASM 1 and 2, Ripley, Motoko Kusanagi, Wonder Woman, Furiosa from Mad Max, Sarah Conner, Carol from The Walking Dead, X-23 from Logan, Alita Battle Angel, just to name a few. But SJW's make it seem like ONLY NOW we are getting female characters and before that there were none. A lot of these characters I named are not even super powered badasses, they are simply interesting, nicely written characters with decent level of good development who just so happened to be females.
@@My_Master_Waves to be fair a lot of your examples are either really recent or the characters aren't compelling, or they're from bad films. That said I see your point, because fundamentally, you are correct
A movie that relies on a Strong Feminist Character to be good = A movie that should have never been made. At that point it's clear that the movie's overall message is so shallow that the writer's shouldn't have even bothered
This reminds me of Hirohiko Araki's quote: "I write my female characters as if they were men. My belief is that a character's traits shouldn't be defined by their gender. You can create a world full of only male or only female characters and still make it work as normal"
If you want to find female characters that are strong and feminine, look at Studio Ghibli films. Hayao Miyazaki has almost perfected this through his animation industry.
I feel like Daphne from Scooby Doo would have been worth mentioning. She's about as feminine as someone can get, and yet she is still just as competent as the other gang members, without giving up at femininity.
"Lets make a strong female character!" "Sure, what traits?" "They're gay, say bad stuff about men, and-" "How about no?" "SEXIST I'LL GET YOU FIRED" "What?" "BOSSSSSSSSS"
sailor moon is a great example. she's flawed to hell -- overeats, doesn't study, is a bit of a coward, whines, is tech illiterate... but she's also kind, loyal, generous, creative, and really pulls it off when she tries her best. she's the best kind of strong female character
@@thedragon133 yeah, like there is a difference between being the most powerful being in the universe, and having no flaws. And adding to one punch man, he is also not precisely a kalvin klein model, usually flawless characters, aka mary sues and gary stues, tend to be physically perfect and attractive too.
He’s bored and depressed that there’s no challenge. Also his flaw is his luck since nobody (Except for a small few) believe that he’s even that powerful which keeps him in the low ranks
"Women in films are just love interests, we need to make them more realistic" *Makes an invincible female character who actively hates men and constantly points out how strong she is despite being female*
Kind of amusing that every strong female character has the emotional range of a block of wood. Even the most badass of male characters used personality and charisma, and showed some depth.
And don't forget this... They make them badass even if they have little to no training. The same people who defend Mary Sues are the same people who will point out a Gary Stu in an instant.
why should women need training when they can do it with no training? Training is a waste of time and for the weak. Because its only the weak who need training.
trigger warning.... a blonde, brunette and a red head are trapped on a small island. they each try to swim to the mainland. the brunette swims 1/4 of the way... gets tired and swims back to the island. the red head gets 1/3 of the way, gets tired and swims back to the island the blonde gets half way. gets tired and swims back to the island.
Feminists: why aren’t we represented in movies enough? Writer: **includes women** Feminists: ......why isn’t she physically stronger then that 6.5ft man?
People should really consider taking advantage of traits that many women have. For example, women are generally smaller so their strength would lie in agility. Then you can have a strong female character without making it weird. Of course this would be different if she is supposed to have supernatural abilities. Tbh, I just want strong female characters to have a personality.
@Zero Hero true. For a five ft person(male and female) to destroy a person twice their height they must either have supernatural abilities, be armed, or be extremely jacked (and I don’t mean like skinny woman with a little muscle jacked, I mean like bodybuilder who is visibly stronger than the opponent jacked). It is not completely impossible for a small 5ft woman to beat a person twice her height but it’s highly unlikely and definitely not easy. And she’s definitely not gonna be able to fight several 6.5 ft people. My biggest pet peeve is actually when the author adds a weak character and makes them just magically beat several extremely strong opponents, like, at least give us an interesting way to beat this opponent by using things other than strength(like intelligence or agility because the opponent is obviously stronger). A good example of weak person beats strong person would probably be something like “viral hit” by taejun park and a bad example would be literally almost everything.
@@IAteYourLastCake "People should really consider taking advantage of traits that many women have. For example, women are generally smaller so their strength would lie in agility. Then you can have a strong female character without making it weird. Of course this would be different if she is supposed to have supernatural abilities. Tbh, I just want strong female characters to have a personality." Black widow lacks a personality, and, oddly, doesn't even make sense in a move with iron man in it. When they make a "Strong female character" they usually just overdo it. Black widow breaks every law of physics there ever was in a single move. I agree, I want a female character with a good power and a good personality, instead of having a jotaro-like personality, just really only based off of one thing.
Brilliant. I felt the same way about Sarah Connor, who I'd argue is on par with Ellen Ripley. In the first Terminator, she was down on her luck, frightened, and relied on Kyle to save her until the end where she was dragging HIM to safety and in the end, had to save herself. Then in T2, we see she's become very unstable from fear of judgement day, almost murders a man, and goes through the arc of realising she cannot abandon her humanity, the very thing which makes us human. All the while doing everything she could to protect her son from the T-1000, even though there was almost nothing she could do, her maternal instinct drove her on regardless. Talk about a great character. And not once did she have to belittle a man to do these things. She was great on her own merits.
I love the deleted scene with Kyle. She reverted right back to the scared waitress she was for a second until Kyle reminded her of her purpose. "Save our son, Sarah"...
Yeah, also my favorite scene from T2 was when she was breaking out of that Insane asylum. She was kicking ass, she beat the shit out of someone who sexually assaulted her. She was about to escape, but then The T-800 terminator steps out of the elevator holding a shotgun, then she just collapses having a post traumatic breakdown. This fearless Heroine collapsing into a shell of her Badass self. To me, that scene just stuck with me and will forever remember it. Because she was very much flawed and could break like all of us.
@Vick Murray no , it's not, the one making bad feminist characters are not the feminist. Is 50 year old men who think they know what women want to see and have no idea of feminism themselves but want to try and cater to feminist. It's not working well for them, their hidden mysoginy is pretty obvious.
I liked it, but one thing I would add. Is that a strong female character can be a badass, if it serves the plot. If she has personality traits that show negatives and positives about her character through her being a bad ass. She can be feminine sure or masculine but only if that personality serves the plot. Equally so a compassionate gentle man can also serve the same outcome. Just that when we write flawless men or women it defeats the point in telling a story. Flawless characters on any gender say OG superman who was flawlessly heroic took away his sence of self as he could do anything until he was rewritten to be more dynamic. Superman at one point in history was a boring character. Gender isn't the issue even. It's just one note writing not knowing how to convey these characters with personality. There are women in the world who do not convey traditionally feminine traits. Because they're people there can be diversity but just having a women who is written to be perfect, strong and having no personality is just lazy. Basquez from aliens was also important because she was a soldier and had a sense of camaraderie with the men on her crew. It wasn't important that she could do what the men could what the other men could do. It was important that she just happened to be female, just happened to be a physically fit soldier. But was just as human and vurnerable as the other men. If she was written today she would have survived the Alien attack and would have said nothing. She was a dynamic part of the crew but was not traditionally feminine. Did not matter, she was memorable because she had personality. I don't think women have to be written feminine. There is a large diversity of people on this earth. Just written well to serve the needs of the plot.
Right. I feel like this is taking the point to be "write well-written nurturing mother characters because that's what women be." Which would I guess still be better than horribly written flawless female non-characters but still really limiting, reproducing a stupid binary that forces men to be excessively stoic, etc etc. But yeah, you should be able to write a female tough soldier, or knowledgeable expert or whatever if you build in reasonably associated strengths and weaknesses. Hell, you can even write a story about a perfect goddess come to earth or something but then you better make the story around the unexpected problems and flaws (dunno, arrogance, exhaustion with helping people whatever) associated with that i.e. Buffy is an example of a somewhat invincible waif-fu technique using badass BUT her character is all about chosen one angst and responsibilities (although she is a traditionally feminine character in certain other ways).
@ Sounds cool! I'd say as long as one immediately forwards the flaws, whatever they are that character shouldn't be mistaken for one. I gotta say though, personally, any time I've tried writing a story I find it amazing how tempting it is to write a Mary Sue even though they're like the most obviously bad thing whenever you read one. One just wants to write about cool people and not be cruel to one's characters I guess. I think the thing I always try to remember is that while once we root for a character we do want to see them be strong and triumph and even just be action movie badass its the weaknesses and failures that make us root for them in the first place and actually connect with them.
This is why I love Mulan. They made one of her main flaws as strength (we really should accept that men are biologically stronger than females), BUT made her think laterally. She's really smart and creative, she knows how to work with people. She's not a Mary Sue unlike the new one.
@@chrishansen1842 i have seen videos responding to articles claiming that she is too hot to be feminist. she caters to "the male gaze". remember when she got that new body that could be molded to any shape she wanted? well by their reasoning, if she was a truly empowered woman she should have chosen a disgusting walrus-like shape just to stick it to the patriarchy.she also is willing to communicate with males and even have feelings for them. a true sign of internalized misogyny. idiots, all of them.
If dislikes could be manipulated such as on the Gillete ad where they removed 90% of the dislikes then I don't see why the bell notification being manipulated would be a problem.
I have an idea for a female character: She begins as a 'Strong wamen that need no man' but this attitude sometimes leads her to failure and defeat. Throughout the journey, she learns to be more nurturing to her allies rather than talk them down as a strong wamen - and in kind, they help her back. She becomes from an unbalanced act-strong character to a better woman to the end of the story.
I'm in the works of a film and one of my characters is like this: A girl who grew up in the bad areas of the city (Like the hood) she decided to become a strong & tough person so the no one could mess with her, she accomplished her dream but now no one wants to even BE near her (not because of her strength, but because of her infamous actions) and she became lonely, until she meets a young man who's never heard of her, and because of this they form a bond and she becomes VERY afraid of loosing him, meanwhile the young man teaches her about having fun and being more normal (like eating ice cream together or playing games together) and shows her how to truly be happy. So basically, a woman who gave up on femininity is learning to be more feminine.
When Brie Larson starts talking about how she can use Captain Marvel as her activism because CM is a strong woman in a movie, I wonder if she has forgotten about her character in Room. That one was a very strong character even if her physical strength was just that of a normal human woman. Her strength came in other ways.
i feel like black widow was supposed to have flaws, since in age of ultron 2 she falls in love with banner and its revealed she was trained since she was a child, but people got so mad when this happened and ultron got even more hate than it actually deserved. when they attempt to do something interesting with this uninteresting character, nobody likes it.
ShiningPig he did have bigger plans for her. But the SJW mob lambasted Joss Whedon, a man who is not only a proclaimed feminist but who also brought Buffy the Vampire Slayer into being, as being sexist and misogynistic. He had to leave Twitter because of this and it may have even played a role in his departure from the MCU.
I related more to these characters than fake modern SFCs. Princess Atta from A Bug's Life genuinely wanted to be a queen, instead of "I don't want to be a queen and help my people, it's always about what I want!" Atta taught me that it's okay to have insecurities and fears and how to work through them. She was a way better role model for girls who want to pursue politics or other high positions of power than Hillary Clinton, and I personally believe she has one of the prettiest Pixar designs. Oh yeah and she can fly. Megara from Hercules taught me to not make deals with bad/suspicious people, the importance of sacrifice, and that it's okay to fall in love and not be ashamed. She also taught me the importance of redemption. Mrs. Brisby deserve WAY more credit for her heroic deeds, especially in that abysmal Secret of NIHM 2. It's like the characters forgot about her or something. Honey Lemon taught me that feminine girls can be scientists and shouldn't be shamed for being intelligent and girly. Also Gogo never shames her for being girly and actually loves and respects her. Gogo herself was a tomboy but she wasn't blatantly going all "Not like the other girls." Aunt Cass has a lot of emotional strength for someone who not only lost her relatives but her nephew in such a short amount of time, but she manages to remain stable and not let her losses pull her down. Arcee from TFP taught me about the sad reality of PTSD and that is okay to have moments of shutting down (again she has PTSD). That does not stop her from being a badass through and through. Everyone seems to give Sonic a lot of shit these days, but you have: - A batty jewel thief who also operates as a government spy and despite her suggestive choice of clothing is actually super classy and feminine. Her friendship with Shadow and Omega in the games and Topaz in Sonic X were highlights of her character and how ultimately loyal she is to her friends. - A pink hedgehog who is a total fangirl who spends her days lusting after the hero but learns to be less dependent on him while still keeping that crush. She admires him for his spirit and compassion, she cares about her friends, and despite wearing a dress all the time carries a giant mallet for a weapon. Also she can read tarot cards. Has her moments, but she stopped someone from blowing up the planet by simply talking to him and appealing to his good nature. - A cute Moe rabbit who is as sweet as they come but can also handle herself in a fight. When she had to stop one of her robot friends she was CRYING but still had to do it. Also, her little Chao pet is the equivalent of a mini nuke. - A flame wielding princess from another dimension who felt like an outcast due to her powers and status. Learns to be more friendly and open to others; sacrificed her life once to stop an evil God. She sees Sonic as an equal without a forced romance. - A sickly human girl who lost her life trying to save her only friend, the resident Edgelord. Her last wish inspired him to seek peace and remain kind. Of course you have Tikal, Sally Acorn, Bunnie Rabbot, NICOLE, Fiona Fox, Wave the Swallow, Merlina, Shara the genie, Tangle the Lemur and Whisper the Wolf, all of them were great characters. But I guess all of them are written off as weak all because none of them are quick to beat up anyone with a dick.
@giveagoodsong Yes! For once I would love to see more princess characters actually want the throne and have ambition without being portrayed as villains.
@@alexbennet4195 People complained about certain characters I described as weak and useless. If Meg was an official Disney Princess she would be considered weak because extreme feminists and caustic critics have a hate boner for anything related to the Princesses. Amy Rose, Cream and Rabbit are often said to be useless, Amy for her crush on Sonic and Cream for the fact that she's six and doesn't seem to possess a lot of the 'offensive' powers most Sonic characters have. And let's not even go into Mrs. Brisby.
Chellis McElveen: But who even are these people? I’ve never heard of any Meg hate - quite the opposite, lots of feminists really like her as a character. And as for the criticism of female characters I’ve actually heard people say, often they actually have decent points (like them being badly written), or they actually like the character and their criticisms are admittedly minor, yet over people blow up other them. The very tiny minority of “radical” feminists who just hate on these characters for no good reason are the smallest group by far.
SJWs hijacked the term strong and replaced it with feminist female character. The term strong character is a character that both have flaws and has the ability to overcome them( regardless of gender). Alita From Battle Angel Alita is a very good example of writing a female character with a strong presence in the story( she just happens to be in an action Manga).
mimi mimi Why did you think that I mean beating up someone else? I’m talking about training, practice. And taught by a more experienced individual. And the time spent doing those things, showing small steps of improvement on a journey to greatness. Not just a few words of advice or swings and call it training. You seem to be pretty violent yourself if you assumed that I was talking about violence that easily.
Random Person "You seem to be pretty violent yourself if you assumed that I was talking about violence that easily". No, just no; that’s not how *anything* worketh.
Keep speaking the truth. I love female characters if they're done right. Uma Thurman's character in Kill Bill was great. She was a highly trained killer but none of the men in the movie were portrayed as weak. They got the drop on her. She was buried alive. She almost killed in the beginning of the film. But I'm sure if the movie was made around today the character would have gotten to Bill unscathed. The male roles would have been pushovers. She would have ended up teaching the martial arts instructor something and she would have learned that 5 pressure point technique out of nowhere, just like Rey in the last Jedi. By the way I'd love to hear you talk about the Last Jedi in depth.
Not only that , but the Bride also shows that she has an emocional side when she learns that her daughter is still alive. And Bill even tries to use that against her.
+ActivistParrot Luke blew up a Death Star by mind controlling torpedos he's never fired before in a vehicle he's never piloted before. Rey beat a half-dead Sith who got torn open with a Wookie Bowcaster. Cry me a fuckin' river about Rey already.
@@RecklessFire29 Luke in episode IV was an insecure adolescent whining all the way through, until he finally trusts Kenobi (he doesn't know, he trusts his mentor!) and uses the force instead of trying to do things in his stupid and unsuccessful ways. Luke in episode V is an impatient young guy who almost gets killed because he tries to battle a much stronger foe showing both underestimation of the enemy AND overestimation of his own abilities. He also gets destroyed emotionally and his last resort is, quite literally, suicidal. Only in episode VI does Luke become a strong character, yet he still has to face his own worst unsolved issues. Rey, on the other hand, has nothing of this: she explores her new, almost casual, condition by trying casually what took other people years to develop at lesser stages, she never has to learn, she never missteps anything, she never faces real challenges because she already is better than anyone eles, she has no strong motivations guiding her, she doesn't fight and she doesn't suffer, but everything comes to her naturally; but mostly, she never fails, she has no weak sides, no flaws. And of course this is why she is so incredibly boring. (BTW, Luke couldn't beat a training droid, the first time he held a lightsaber. Rey, on the other hand... Like I said, no faults, no flaws, only superhuman perfection, how boring is that?)
@@SirEdwardeight You're comparing the skill levels of a Moisture Farmer that has never seen a day of combat in his life to a girl that has had to exist in a desert hell-hole fighting for her life scrapping space cruisers that crashland around the planet. Also, you DO realize that Luke wore a blinding helmet, right? He couldn't see shit. The woman very clearly knows how to use a weapon, and her entire life is spent gaining and adapting. Everything is driven on instinct with her in combat. She also does fuck up, several times in fact. She gets captured, even. Them having to go save her is what gets Han killed. So why don't they just hammer the shit out of her about that? Because that useless pile of shit Luke never got it either. Everyone kissed his ass because he was a Jedi, and only in the final movie did he actually get any combative skill to his name. Other than that, he's largely been completely useless, yet he somehow seems to be loved by everyone for everything he does, despite losing every fight he seems to get into. Oh, and don't forget blowing up a planet destroying space station with Force-Guided Torpedos, the only thing he ever actually did. But yes, let's completely ignore the facts against Luke, one of the most beloved characters in the franchise, his absolute status as dead fucking weight except for piloting, yet everyone regards him as some great savior come to stop the Sith and bring balance to the force. Meanwhile, we'll rake Rey over the coals for daring to fight and defeat a half-dead Sith (explained by her survivalist upbringing), her ability to fix ships (again, explained by her job), and her daring to use a Jedi Mind Trick a brainwashed soldier with no will (something which incompetent, no-confidence Luke couldn't do, but Padawans could easily do in the Clone Wars show).
Hunter x hunter komugi, full metal alchemist brotherhood, almost all females are written well. Re zero, rem, code geass, kallen, monogatari series etc. There are plenty of good female characters but they are difficult to find, just like well written Male characters.
Catwoman is an example of a well rounded character . No not the Halle berry version that one was trash . But her comic backstory of being an orphan learning to defend herself and survive . I especially like when Batman and Catwoman work together and that they both save each other . I like how she has weaknesses , a dark past but uses her feminity to her advantage and isn't ashamed of it . She's seductive but she uses it as a weapon which works . I also liked the main character in birdbox and how she eventually started having maternal instincts towards the two kids and protected them . It didn't make her weak and she wasn't a Mary Sue she had to overcome the death of her sister and her past to get the kids to safety .
@@dddddddddddddddd6886 Yeah, season 5 just recently started, so far they've decided to make Gotham an apocalyptic wasteland divided between the worst criminals and madmen, with Gordon only running a tiny area that takes in civilians and keeps them safe, everywhere else in Gotham has no power and is called the dark zone, Jeremiah is gradually going more insane as he obsesses over bruce. And the government won't allow people in or out of Gotham and refuses to help after the bridges blew.
Notice: if there’s a strong male character, who don’t need no woman, that often ends up being his fatal flaw and what he needs to let go of to complete his mission/achieve his goal.
Thank you. God forbid you try to explain this online, you automatically get labeled a woman hater by all the white knights who don't understand hollyweird is ruining female characters.
@Radical Left Maybe you should shut up, mr. phd in psychology. I said "hollyweird" is a lame joke (I mean who can deny) and he/she jumps to personal insults. Oh yeah, I'm the cranky one. Lmao gtfo, leftie.
It's a male talking about female characters, it's automatically "mansplaining" and invalid uwu Doesn't matter what if his points are good to people this shallow and mindless, guess that's why they don't enjoy the critique of the shallow "strong" characters in media.
??? it is meant to say Women account for 50% of moviegoers, while men are the other 50% That second part is implied cause you shoud have enough inteligence to understand it
As someone who wants to get into writing, I'd recommend this video because it gives specific examples of how a good female character is written. Personally, I'd add a few detailed examples of bad female characters, like Rey (even if she was being shown often throughout this video). But overall this is fantastic.
Rey may be the best, most infamous example of this problem ever. That they gave her absolutely no character arc is simply stunning. I have heard of a bigger problem with 7-9. They never actually planned out the stories. A $4 billion property and they couldn't be bothered with a roadmap.
I kinda disagree, but here me out. The main problem with the new Star Wars movies is that they are not putting all the information you need to know about a character in the movie. You have to buy 3 other books and watch a cartoon on their streaming service to get a full backstory and motivations of a character. You read Bloodlines and your opinion on Leia can go from being a "strong female character" to a leader of a fringe terrorist organization who provoked a war pretty quick. Phasma is a joke in the movies but in her background book she is absolutely frighting and will murder you for the sake of holding onto power. When it comes to Rey almost everything about her is explained with little nuggets of information that is scattered across the whole of the franchise. It boils down to her being the way she is because the Force requires her to be. The Force is the literal deus ex machina of the Star Wars universe.
@@erwin669 And that is a huge, universe destroying thing to happen. Training to be a Jedi (A sci fi alt. to training to be a Knight or Samuri) is a waste of time. Just let the force choose you. Now I don't want to see a young Ben movie. He's a moron. Wasted his time.
Strong Female Characters Are NOT Ruining Female Characters, SJW Female Characters Are Ruining Female Characters. Alice from Resident Evil Trinity from Matrix Black Widow Leia Organa Gwen Stacy from TASM 1 and 2 Ripley Motoko Kusanagi Wonder Woman Furiosa from Mad Max Sarah Conner Carol from The Walking Dead X-23 from Logan *Alita Battle Angel* A lot of these characters are not super powered badasses, they are simply interesting, nicely written characters with decent level of good development who just so happened to be females
I feel like alot of the female playable characters like Jill or sheva are strong but not a man inside a woman body. For example in resident evil 5, in-game only Chris (the guy) can give her jump boost through broken ladders or gain distance on long jumps but not the other way around. she gets the job done as a female character, she is a strong and caring character but has weakness, she isn't as strong nor as fast as Chris. But her light weight gives her some advantage over Chris. This makes sense because naturally males are heavier and stronger than their female counterparts but feminist can't accept it.
idk trinity from matrix didn’t really do much she was only there cause she can shoot and fall in love with neo. i really liked emily blunt’s character in looper cause she wasn’t afraid to fight anyone or anything, but she was very loving and nurturing towards her son.
fun fact, I failed my English GCSE and in our new English subject gender is our subject, our home work was write a story with a positive female role model and there was no mention of men apart from us being shit, we also had to read "snow child" which is kind of like a part of snow white apart from it shows the man being worse, the entire lesson we had so far was just our teacher telling us how the men are both weaker than women but are some how, suppressing them (either that or oppressing them) we also watched a scene where women beat a man to death for raping a woman, what this had to do with gender I have no idea, any way thank you for reading.
I recognize that from my studies. I figured out a way to pass though. Whenever I had to write an essay for my SJW professor, I would print out pictures of Karl Marx and put up all over the apartment. I would also watch feminist propaganda for hours just to get into the right mindset. I became a SJW. It's whoreshit and unfair. I should have reported it really, but fuck it. Too lazy for that.
How can you fail your gcse, then get given a new topic - makes no sense. There is not even a book on the spec that addressed gender unless it was an old one - in which case feminism wasn’t around then. Your entire paragraph was just made up rubbish.
And in the book the characters are only named by family name and there is no mention on who is male or female. It's a good character that happened to be cast with a good female actress.
The best example I can think of for a strong female character is, in all honesty, Rarity from My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. Yeah, go ahead and get the laughter out of you system now so I can explain. Rarity is a fashion designer. She loves pretty dresses and diamonds, and dreams of finding her prince charming, all of which are decidedly feminine. However, she's also a shrewd business owner, owning three boutiques, two of which are in Manehattan and Canterlot (Their equivalent of New York and Washington DC). She made her way in the most cut-throat industry through shear tenacity and force of will. Plus, she followed a group into the most dangerous forest in the world to stop a mad near-god from plunging the world into eternal darkness and kicked a fucking manticore in the face.
Rarity is one of the best ponies in the show, and an awesome female character. If you really look at it, all the main characters in My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic are great female characters in my opinion. They all have strengths, wether it be Fluttershy’s compassion or Applejack’s dependability, and weaknesses like Twilight’s perfectionism or Rainbow Dash’s ego. All of them are still great people, err ponies, but they’re all portrayed as flawed. It’s honestly a shame Hollywood doesn’t get how to write female characters for a huge franchise like Star Wars, but a toy company making glorified toy ads in the form of a TV show, understands how.
Hollywood doesn't have characters like this because it doesn't sell. People who watch a new movie every week don't want characters with character. They want cheap thrills. If there wasn't so darn many of them the industry wouldn't be such a joke.
Anime female leads are really well written, in the fact that they are still feminine and strong but are well written characters that happen to be female
Well the eastern media does not get affected by Americans feminazi so they can actually write a strong feminine character instead of a strong character that happend to be female
Example Lara Croft in the 2013 game trilogy. First game she starts off weak constantly needing help from her friends. Second game she can do most on her own, but still has Jonah helping a lot. Shadow of a tomb raider she literally breaks down showing she has flaws and weaknesses. That's why she is a good female. character.
New Lara's incessant whining in the first game is a big reason why I haven't finished it yet. It's not a legitimate display of terror, it's just a woman yelling "OH GOD OH FUCK" every thirty seconds for cinematic effect.
I think your model for creating good female characters is 90% perfect. I want to leave open a space for the occasional hyper-violent and assertive woman. The key is diverse, creative, and well-written characters. As long as the character serves the story well and is not carelessly designed, I am fine with it. I am pretty well-drawn to Black Widow who seemed to have taken the opposite route. She was a confident and competent femme-fatale. Text-book definition action-star mary sue. But as the films go by, they start establishing that she is incredibly sentimental and affectionate of her surrogate family. She even sacrificed herself because she loved them. She ain't the best female example, but she can join the pantheon of awesome female characters.
-Shaym makes a reasonable argument about how a strong female character is made -Every feminist that takes the word of Anita like it's the holy gospel: ... REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE MANSPLAINING MISOGYNISTIC SEXIST RACIST MAN TELLS US HOW FEMININE TRAITS AREN'T BAD FOR FEMALE CHARACTERS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
@@rubyrude.infinite I got one at the video start and two others at the yellow marks on the video progress bar. Weird that this time I still see the marks, but got the ad only at the end.
Most of the Animated Disney Leading Females, even recent ones would work. You showed Nala several times, and, yes, she is a great example of a good, strong female character. Other notably good ones are Belle, Mulan, Judy Hopps, Cinderella, and Moana just to name a few. If only the live-action movies could get this right...
And the villains too, all of them ( except, well, the evil queen) are very confident in themselves and their looks even if they are old and wrinkly or fat, and they are strong, but they loose cause they overestimate the heroes ( or just cause, you know, evil can't win in a kids movie)
see i would agree if it werent for the fact that she got raped while in coma, so i cant even watch that movie because it makes me wanna die. but im sure you got like 3 more female protagonists done very well, kudos
@@mephybooks7309 that rape fleshed out her character and made her more driven to get her revenge.. her character was still written and executed very well
@@Luzmaldita577 no it didn't what the fuck, it was a gratuitous addition to the movie and character motivation didn't need it THe rAPe fLeSHeD OuT Her ChARaCTer ... jesus christ.. fuck me...
@@mephybooks7309 The character motivation in a sense needed it in order to surpass the fact that she has been in a coma for 4 years. When she awoke from her coma she was hopeless, but to find out ontop of that that she has been sexually abused while unconscious filled her with the rage necessary to get out of that situation. Theoretically, could she could have gotten out of that situation without the rape happening? Maybe, but theres also the factor that it fuels more to her rage against Bill. He almost took her life, took her babys life (from what she thinks she knows), took 4 years of her life, and also got fucking raped for 4 years?? All that gave her the strength she needed to move her big toe and leave the hospital with her mind made up on her revenge.
@giveagoodsong I mean she almost got super close to being defeated by Bill and his brother, it was more so that she was just the most skilled killer in the world and happened to be a women. She had many flaws that almost led her to her death
"Strong/Diverse" female characters are the equivalent of the nice guy/fedora neckbeards. I just said what everyone was thinking. Strong female characters SHOW instead of TELLING. Actions speak louder than words and force-feeding a purple haired Gender Studies professor into the mouths of fans of a beloved franchise just won't work. One does not simply send Rorschach to prison and tell the audience he's a killer; the audience and the inmates come to find out why and how. Suddenly professional film makers forgot everything about character development and story arcs. God forbid a female character has some personal flaws or obstacles to overcome which would actually endear her more to the audience.
Funny when Jennifer Lawrence play as Aurora from Passengers, she act very girly. She was so pretty yet much stronger than Katniss. But people don't like the movie because they say it glorifying creep misogynist, while my friend who was rape victim enjoyed watching the movie a lot, lol
As a writer, a male writer at that, I can back this up. I always ask myself, what will the character do in this situation? Does this character's gender or sexuality matter in the plot? I like to write feminine characters, male or female. Aside from my own liking, it's because I like to write plots lean on details, and feminie characters can interact with details more that masculine characters. I firmly believe that characters should serve and lead the plot, so tokenism will be only in supporting roles. I can never understand stripping all femininity off a female character, it's just bad design.
I'm not a writer, but I make stories up in my head. I'm male. I also make most of the characters feminine (except for the main character). Maybe it's because I want to show how reliant they are to him or that he is a super stoic badass compared to them, when the others run away he stands there, unfazed. I know he may not sound like a real person, but he's like that because he's insane from isolation for 70 years (he's immortal). But, that's his tragedy, he wants to die because he hates his life, but he can't. Also, how did this go from saying that most of my characters are feminine to me talking about my main character. I should just stop.
@@bigdog7632 Yes. I mean, she's a very flawed character. She lost her daughter thanks to the vigorous training Karen went through, getting DHS involved. Very much injured in her fight with Michael to the point she had to be carried out of her burning house by her family. Drinking problems. PTSD. She's a victim of a brutal crime and I think Halloween 2018 should be the inspiration on how to make a truly strong female character. They shouldn't use Rey or Captain Marvel as inspirations. It should all come from Jamie Lee Curtis' amazing portrayal of the character that made her and yes, even Ellen Ripley, who actually shares the same traits of the Laurie Strode from the new Halloween continuity.
Best written female protagonists (written at the top of my head*): Ripley, Samus, Jill Valentine, Lt. Joshi, Tsuyu, Princess Ariel, Lara Croft (classic-era games), Akko, Aeon Flux, Powerpuff Girls (McCracken era), Kyoko Kirigiri, Astrid Hofferson, Lela, Princess Fiona, Sailor Moon, Revy, Clarice Starling, Misato Katsuragi, Bulma, and Sarah Connor. *_*(EDITED AS OF 2/15): it means i wrote these examples at the top of my head, i did not forget anyone, okay? if you want to reply with more examples, that is fine. but please do not reply with "but you forgot x," because i am aware of the other ones too. also, don't include the other stuff i already mentioned. thank you._* NPC's, liberals, and modern Hollywood need to take notes on how to write a good female character rather than have females be the main characters by shoving down their dumbass woke political agenda down people's throats.
Let's not forget other Disney and DreamWorks characters like Helen and Violet Parr, Princess Fiona, Moana, Elsa and Ana, Rapunzel, etc.... It's really funny how Disney and DreamWorks do the main female characters so much justice in animated films but fail to do so in live action movies.... Strange.
Tyler Vega It’s fine haha. But yeah, you still made a great point. Helen, Violet, Jesse, EVE, Rapunzel, Dory, Ariel, Belle, Fiona, Tigress, Astred, Kim Possible-these animated characters play way better roles as female protagonists than either The Last Jedi or Captain Marvel. And both Star Wars and Marvel are owned by Disney and are well established franchise before and during that acquisition. Go figure.
Thank you for this. This was a well put together argument. Using the things feminist say to contradict there own statements which prove them as sexist is brilliant. This was a bit less humurous than your other videos I've seen so far yet is was enlightening and carefully executed. My hats off to you sir.
Not really? She fell in love with some random ass dude after like 5 minutes and the plot followed that boring ass storyline lol? Honestly people lick that movies balls way too hard.
If they (feminists and SJWs) so desperately want lead female characters, why don't they work towards becoming professional directors and script-writers instead of getting a degree in gender disparity or something. Same for running for President and any other post where you have actual power. You need to earn power and respect. You can't be so incompetent and at the same time, expect to be handed power.
It's easier to complain and sick the twit-er mob on someone and demand change than to actually work toward that change themselves (Ironically, if they did do that, they might understand why it's better to show a character striving for something rather than having it handed to them)
“We want female leads and strong women in movies!” “I’m not going to make this happen myself though, I’ll wait for people to do it for me because I deserve it for doing nothing!”
I think that if they really became professional directors and started making movies with "strong female characters", the movies would be totally 0/10 and laughed at. The reason would be abusing the fact that the movie is specifically made to show that female character and making her too badass or just too strong, just like captain marvel. Seriously, they made her so powerful that I'd doesn't make sense that she hasn't doo much in the movie. She just came at the end and delivered some serious blows to the villain forces and that's it. With the feminist-made movies, that would be the same thing. Focusing too much on one character and making the movie just mediocre.
Anyone seen the new toy story 4 poster? To early now to make assumptions but I’m worried they’re gonna make bo peep another condescending feminist ‘strong independent wyman’ type who’ll throw in something along the lines of “ugh men, am I right ladies”.
Considering the BS they showed in the Werck-It Ralph 2 trailer, and the fact that Disney is in charge of Marvel and Star Wars, signs point to RESSPEC WAHMEN
The Kill Bill series for eg. gets it right for a strong female lead imo....it works on many levels .... she often fights against 'bad' women...(not just men), is empowered without need to reference to it on a 'gender' level...yet she is still emotionally vulnerable at times and driven by simple revenge ....Tarantino is very intuitive and smart when writing female parts...he creates very believable characters in his movies without the need to ever 'virtue signal'..., writes them as good and bad people ,strong and weak etc. always exploring and revealing a wide range of realistic female traits.
SJW's and Feminists never realized that Ripley was amazing. She did what no man or father could have done. As a man we understand the love of a child but we don't have that strong bond as a woman does from giving birth. That's why Ripley was able to save Newt and get out and why no man could have done that. She wasn't Superwoman or a Wonder Woman either. Just a regular woman who was a mother.
That is why Ripley is the one of best female characters of all time,and one of my favorite.People are confused about what courage and bravery is.Brave is not one who feels no fear,it is condition of lacking fear,brave is the one who overcome his fear in time of needs.
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I'm surprised you haven't done a video about that Gillette commercial.
Dr Shaym fucking toy story 4 have changed the fucking doll to be strong and independent.
Dr Shaym Shakespeare was able to do it right and that was like ‘400’ years ago or some shit
She’s called lady Macbeth
She was written in the same way as a male character, and she killed herself
Shakespeare=👌
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A truly strong female character is one who does not feel the need to show off how strong of a woman she is.
Justin Y's Stand Agreed. That’s just arrogance, not confidence or charisma.
Bayonetta is one.
@@Nosretep Samus Aran too, at leas,t in the good Metroid games
True, while she seems and/or looks like real life women possibly ones we know or logically exist in the real world. An that strength shows through anyways whether she's trying to show it or not. It's what made characters like Le Lu (5th element), Ripley, Leia an such great back in the day.
Just like how if a man was to do it. We all think he's a douche.
We need less strong female characters, and more strong characters that just happen to be female.
As well as male because there is a shortage of strong male characters in media especially when there's a woman in the film.
@@Gambit771 what do you mean strong Male characters in media have you seen most movies?in case you haven't most of them have strong Male main characters
@@Gambit771 Ant Man comes to mind.
AMEN
Isn’t that the same thing?
it pisses me off that every single female super hero in both marvel and dc universes are always THE SAME EXACT CHARACTER. they’re all black widow. they’re all “i’m tired of cleaning up after you boys” types. they’re all bland STRONG WAMEN. when thor, star lord, loki, the flash, aquaman etc etc are all goofy and funny. there’s literally no “funny” flawed female super heros. there was starfire, but they absolutely ruined her in the live action Titans.
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theirs about 30 females good and bad i think they should make more than copying whats already there you cant go wrong with imagination
wonder women fits nicly in this strong female character. she hass flaws and streanght and still evolvs and lerns under the movie.
Agreed. I love Black Widow but I don't want hundreds of copys of her in superhero movies lol
I agree, I was ranting about this shit in school today. I'm primarily a gaming channel, but I feel like I should make a video addressing this stuff, and help spread the word.
The thing i hate about "strong independent females" that they always seem to hate men for no reason and never have a humor...
Their humor is being a smartass to the men
Make the men look like simps like WTF!?
@TvT exactly, just do your job and stop trying to prove shit. For example captain marvel trying to kill thanos on her own. like stop and get the fuck outta the mcu
That's because they're not strong independent females.
kind of like feminists
I don't want "strong female characters". I want well written characters. 'nuff said.
Amen. I think all characters need to be well written, because that is the point of telling a story. Even the most testorene fueled badasses required some depth.
No shit.
Yes!
Strangely enough, I think currently the masters of writing likable female characters are the asian countries like Japan in their dramas and anime. Of course, not all of them are good writing as some series are made deliberately to be weak in development to capitalize on some other attribute such as cute comedy's, but ultimately everything right in character development is often seen there. One series, "Btooom!" for example does an excellent job of making a great male and female lead without sinking into the whole stupid battle of the sexes comparisons.
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This is why Black Widow and Scarlet Witch work, while Captain Marvel doesn't.
yup. captain marvel didn't work because captain marvel intentionally wasn't given a personality. there's even an in universe reason for that (she was told to supress her emotions), which almost acknowledges that this isn't normal. so idk why they decided to do that.
@@YahliAtzmon Captain Marvel is a dude...
@@drkatz8580 *psst* hey don't tell that to the fems they obviously didn't do there research
@@_d_i_q__4859 No they probably think he's just another gay super hero like Batman, his catchphrase is Shazam! after all.
@@drkatz8580 *man
I often get funny looks from women when I tell them "Dorthy was one of the first strong female leads in cinema." As if the concept ONLY existed in the last 10 years of cinema. I say "Think about it. She kills the wicked witch. She frees the Scarecrow, saves the Tin Man, confronts the Lion, exposes Oz and frees the munchkins and goes on a great adventure. All the while the "Good" witch sat on her ass all those years and a 13 year old with no powers does in a few days what she could not do in years."
@Lizzie Allen Did you comment twice pretty much the same thing or are there really two people who can't spell Dorothy and both write Dorthy instead for some reason?
I heard a theory that said the good witch was actually the bad guy all along...
Awesome point - and what do they say after all those clear, point form arguments?
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Another strong female character from the same year as the Wizard of Oz, 1939 Mrs Pym of Scotland Yard . A woman detective . This is nothing new.
how to make strong female character:
step 1. write a regular character
step 2. make female
Specifically in that order
*step 1.write an extremely OP character with no flaws
Step 2. Make them female
How to make a strong a female character
Step 1: Make an original character that has flaws and goals
Step 2: make them female
nonononono you got the steps wrong
1. Make Saitama
2. Give it hair
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Love him or hate him he's spittin straight facts
Layne Wilson straight 🔄 spittin
Title sounds a bit fucked tho
@@fruitpastel3643 no. He put the " ". It's implied that it's a term only certain people use, coz I don't think most people would consider Brie Larsson's role as that of a strong woman but more of a highschool bully asshole who happens to be a female.
Whatever Goodman you'll get your rent when you fix this damn door
What about gay facts lol
Mrs weasley was a strong female character. When she defeated belatrix in a one on one to protect her daughter and also the rest of her family.
Not to mention McGonagall, Hermione, Luna, Ginny, etc. Honestly the Harry Potter books were great at this. It's a shame JK Rowling has gone nuts over the years.
Eddie Cactus yeah it sucks I loved the Harry Potter books and movies
Eddie Cactus bellatrix herself was a good charachter tbh
@@eddiecactus1085 Some people may think of McGonagall as one of those BS masculine female characters, but that's because she knows she has to put up a strong face so her students can feel safe. These are maternal instincts at work here.
But doesn't that seem a bit off to you? Bellatrix is a seasoned Deatheater and Molly, while a strong and protective woman, was never shown to be a fighter, let alone if she has to be up against someone like Bellatrix.
As soon as you see a female in a movie these days you basically know what she's going to do. It's tiresome and unrealistic.
@Lizzie Allen So?
@TvT omg i watched them as a kid
@TvT I think buff women are cool
That's a problem... There is SO little female characters that you can make this statement ;)
take rey from star wars for an example, she beat a person who has been trained for years and strong with the force, she only just used it. then named herself rey skywalker at the end of the film. vader would’ve killed her on the spot
Honestly I feel like “Strong Female Characters” made me feel bad about liking stereotypical “girly” things.
I always observed that people bashed and hated characters that liked pink, dresses, and girly things, said they were a “bad example for young girls”. So I started playing sports, and stopped doing girly things, and I hated it. People should just let people like what they like, whether it be masculine things, or feminine things.
Weird Bitch do what you like no one cares what you do honestly
you can like whatever you want
I had the opposite experience. Well, sorta. Never heard anyone bash any female characters. I was very much a tomboy growing up and never thought it made me any less of a girl, until I was constantly told by family and other kids that it did. I didn't see how playing Star Wars with the boys in kindergarten rather than princesses with the girls made me less of a girl (although I just haaaad to be Leia -_-) or wanting to climb trees and play-wrestle rather than... whatever the other girls were doing while I was doing that. I even found that several of them actually did like to climb trees, but didn't because it was a "boy thing". I vividly remember this really pretty girl (still in kindergarten) of a very wealthy family (as in, lived-in-a-castle wealthy. I live in Denmark) asking me almost in a whisper to show me how to climb the big tree in the yard, cause it looked fun but her parents would get mad if anything happened to her dress.
Got worse as I got older. Even my mother tried to dissuade me from doing so-called "boy things", despite her being even more of a tomboy than I was when she was a pre-teen and teenager. I would be very interested in learning how to put things together, but my mom's boyfriend would completely ignore me and instead call my brother over to show him how, despite my brother being completely indifferent to furniture-assembling and whatever else. I thought it was fun, like a puzzle to solve. I grew up to experience severe gender issues and I can't help but to think that the "gender is determined by behaviour, rather than genetics" nonsense had at least something to do with it (I don't have said gender issues anymore though, I just can't be bothered to change my account display stuff). The idea that there is a male list of interests and traits and a female list and if you fit more of one than the other, then you're not a real ~insert biological sex~. It's a great way to screw up children's perception of gender. After all, this is what trans-activists claim.
But regardless of which side you're on by nature, masculine or feminine, it all comes down to what you said. Just let people be themselves, especially children. A girl doesn't magically become a boy, because she chooses toy cars over dolls. She's just a girl who likes toy cars.
I know right? Like, sure I like pink. SO WHAT? I like flowers? Who doesn't? I like reading?? Why wouldn't I? Know what else I like. I like watching action and playing video games, I like horror and mystery novels and I absolutely love writing bois and dudes are usually my fav characters. ENJOY WHAT YOU LOVE AND DON'T LET SOCIETY LET U SAY UR WEAK!
Same, I hate when people say that liking pink,dresses,ect. As a bad thing.
@@shojodraws3399 I have never related to a comment more.
Avatar The Last Airbender does strong females right. Ty Lee was girly,but not weak,they all fight and had things they stood for. Azula,Toph,Katara,Mai,they're all awesome
Exactly!
Asuna for Sao was great ....for only less than 15 episodes....
@giveagoodsong I kinda disagree... yes, TLOA was generally better, but I don't see where all the anger about Korra comes from... I mean yes, she WAS the "tough woman" trope at the beginning, but she had reasons to, as she grew up knowing about her powers, it was her very character even as a kid, etc... But being a woman was a part of her identity without being just what defined her. Then yes, the villans being males... let's admit that they were way baaaaadly written, agree. I just wouldn't call the entire serie a "feminist fest", that's all. It have soooo many other problems!
@giveagoodsong I haven't really seen anything of that... Watching Korra, absolutely no scene made me think: "Hey, that's how I, as a woman, feel everyday!" - and that should be the target if you want to organize a feminist fest! Same as watching TLAB, which, if I may, brought the gender roles up many more times (see Katara being a "mother", Toph being week, Azula wanting to be the Fire Nation heir - wink wink). And, last but not least, Azula, a young strong woman, was the main antagonist in TLAB, and no one complained! Yes, I see feminism in the Avatar universe when we have good and bad characters both males and females, but I don't see anything wrong with that.
@giveagoodsong and the "you go grrrl" is bad because...?
"I *am* a warrior...but I'm a girl, too."
- _Suki, "Avatar: The Last Airbender"_
THANK YOU. I was looking for this.
I think Katara was a good example as well. She's very nurturing and the most mom-like figure in the show. But still fights alongside everyone else.
I was gonna write this exact same thing
@Citrus Lemon and she is not fucking heartless
Citrus Lemon the thing is she has a weakness, she misses her parents, which makes her not bland
Dorthy from the original Wizard Of Oz was a stronger character than any of the female characters in media these days. Yes you can talk about how she cries and acts scared, BUT what about the other stuff? Like how she threatened Miss. Gulch physical violence if she takes her dog away. How she ran away from home but changes her mind when professor Marvel told her Auntie Em was heaving a heart attack? You guys remember when she slapped the Cowardly Lion for scaring her dog? She even killed the Wicked Witch. And she was the only person of her group to stand up against the Wizard twice. Dorthy was strong because she had a desire and goal that is more noble than anything 3rd wave feminist can achieve. To get back home to the family that loves her.
And then Supernatural made her edgy with a hint of Cuntiness.
Yes. You want another strong female charcrer better than any now? Jill Valentine or Claire Redfeild from resident evil.
Slade Wilson I don’t remember that episode.
I was extremely with you until the dig at third wave feminism. Does anyone even know on youtube what the movement is about and in support of? The Hollywood writers of the stereotypical strong female characters represent the massive movement how exactly?
I like how the more aggressive examples of Dorothy being a strong character center around her dog.
The only “strong female characters” we want, are old badass grandmas
Like the one from Ratatouille
Erina from Battle Tendency
Lisa lisa from battle tendency
@Ali Shabbiri Gran-g-star
@@roshanyuvaraj6771 she barely gets any screen time and the screen time she does get, she dies and she didnt do anything lol
The great thing about Ripley, she was a woman who happened to be stuck in a crappy situation, but did what she felt that she had to.
@Butt Horn.270 Ellen Ripley is one of the greatest heroes ever put on the silver screen period!
Another great thing about it was we didn't expect her to be the hero. People thought it would be Tom Skerrit or one of the other guys but when they all got killed she had to take over.
"maybe instead of showing a female character can do anything a man can do, she should be shown doing something only a woman can do". Perfectly phrased. Thank you.
Tell me a thing only a woman can do
@@anonymousgaslighter345 give birth. Breast feed. Nurture.
no?!
@@omega0195 and you don't think it would be lame if that's the only thing chicks did on tv.
@@anonymousgaslighter345 no
For example Katara from Avatar: The Last Airbender.
She is a strong character but not independent,she needed the rest of her friends as much as they needed them
She was the group’s mother figure.
I love avatar
Or natari from Avatar (your comment reminded me of the other Avatar lol) She's strong but sweet, saves the day but also needs saved.
That’s because Avatar is perfect.
The Last Air Bender has a good example of everything that's good
Strong female character : "I am a strong female character!"
Also a strong female character : *tries the hardest to be a man*
Even your daughter was a good female character
You can't be something your not.
@Vick Murray Preach my friend. Preach! If this keeps on going, then we'll be in the same situation we were in before. It's just that the roles are switched this time around. NOTHING WOULD CHANGE.
I think he sums it up best when he says, "If a female character is essentially a man in every way but looks, why even make them female?" 9:07
Fanservise
@@ReCursedy bro don't talk about fanservice. They literally got the ugliest bitch they could lay their hands on for captain marvel. If she was even a little attractive I could've made it through the end of that bullshittery.
@@rohilthomson it could be their intention you know. Intention don't mean they've chosen right cast
@@ReCursedy well possibly lol
RUclips CENSORS THE TRUTH how is she ugly 😂
I am a bit sick of how people or some people seem to ignore the fact that we have had many great and strong female characters in the past.
God yes! I’m so tired of this “we need more movies with female leads” as if they’ve never been done before.
We don’t need more films with female leads. We need more GOOD films that just happen to have female leads.
Taking good films that had male leads and rebooting them to have women doesn’t make them good. It means fundamentally missing what makes a good female character interesting.
You can’t remake Steele Magnolia’s with men, so why are we are trying to do that with women?
Feologild Bette Davis in "Now, Voyager" Perfect example
Exactly we already have: Alice from Resident Evil, Trinity from Matrix, Black Widow, Leia Organa, Gwen Stacy from TASM 1 and 2, Ripley, Motoko Kusanagi, Wonder Woman, Furiosa from Mad Max, Sarah Conner, Carol from The Walking Dead, X-23 from Logan, Alita Battle Angel, just to name a few. But SJW's make it seem like ONLY NOW we are getting female characters and before that there were none.
A lot of these characters I named are not even super powered badasses, they are simply interesting, nicely written characters with decent level of good development who just so happened to be females.
@@My_Master_Waves to be fair a lot of your examples are either really recent or the characters aren't compelling, or they're from bad films. That said I see your point, because fundamentally, you are correct
Exactly how everyone's calling Black Panther 'Brave.'
A movie that relies on a Strong Feminist Character to be good = A movie that should have never been made. At that point it's clear that the movie's overall message is so shallow that the writer's shouldn't have even bothered
Awesomeman 338 hell we need a Soul Charge to fix that!
Not even Exodia could save us from this disaster
@Awesomeman 338 where the fuck did that come from lol
It would return those 2 wasted hours of my life I spent watching The Last Jedi.
You walked out a half hour before it was over?
Yeesh, that's some serious willpower to have lasted that long.
This reminds me of Hirohiko Araki's quote: "I write my female characters as if they were men. My belief is that a character's traits shouldn't be defined by their gender. You can create a world full of only male or only female characters and still make it work as normal"
I am not sure if you're joking or not, but if there're any serious politics or *gender* things going on.
Don't bring up Araki's anime. Just don't
Lisa Lisa and Erina are good examples
@@heatsink47 yeah even in the earlier parts the women can still be defined as strong characters. But part 3 kinda made me doubt that with Holly.
@@themagalanium9491 Remember it doesn't apply to protagonist characters only. Enya was a good example too.
@@10.percent correct
If you want to find female characters that are strong and feminine, look at Studio Ghibli films. Hayao Miyazaki has almost perfected this through his animation industry.
I love the miyazaki films. I never thought about it but almost all of his works portray a female lead. Shows how well written it is
@@agpiplup288 Sophie it's the perfect example
Hayao Miyazaki really does a lot of good female characters
Now that I think about it yeah
Arrietty is a great example
I feel like Daphne from Scooby Doo would have been worth mentioning. She's about as feminine as someone can get, and yet she is still just as competent as the other gang members, without giving up at femininity.
she was dumb tho
@@patriciacruz2390 fred ain't that smart either.
@@stevenedwards9262
Hey hey hey. Velma wasn't pudgy, she was thick.
@@Halo4Lyf
Naw.
She was thicc
Nocktuk Daze
*She biggy thicc*
*Several people are typing...*
I’m not typing
Oh wait..
*Still typing...*
Make it stop, MAKE IT STOP! MAKE THE KEYBOARD CLICKING STOP!
@Ur friendly neighbourhood furfag STOP!!!
CoughE @everyone
"Lets make a strong female character!"
"Sure, what traits?"
"They're gay, say bad stuff about men, and-"
"How about no?"
"SEXIST I'LL GET YOU FIRED"
"What?"
"BOSSSSSSSSS"
sounds like a karen ( the steru=yotype)
I feel like most of y’all missed the point of the video LMAO
@@emmamartinez6142 it's sarcasm. The op wanted to point out the misandrists out there.
Lmaoaoaoao
To be fair, a gay female had lots of reasons to say bad stuff about men. It seems pretty ok
sailor moon is a great example. she's flawed to hell -- overeats, doesn't study, is a bit of a coward, whines, is tech illiterate...
but she's also kind, loyal, generous, creative, and really pulls it off when she tries her best. she's the best kind of strong female character
Woman:"I am a strong independent woman"
Also woman:"GET AWAY FROM ME! WHY ARE YOU INTERRUPTING ME! Is it because I'm a woman!?!! "
Me:"THE IRONY"
Yo villager number 4
Ironic
*manterrupting
no one said that
@Apple Is Forever you sure?
It hasn't been demonitized. This is incredible. An entire 30 minutes
Still isn't after another 8 hours
Still good mate
"If you write your character without flaws...
...they are likely to become bland and boring."
Enter one punch man.
Well he was...not very attractive, guess that's the flaw.
No flaws? He has no real ambition, is bored with basically everything, is no genius to put it mildly, takes bribes if offered...
@@thedragon133 yeah, like there is a difference between being the most powerful being in the universe, and having no flaws. And adding to one punch man, he is also not precisely a kalvin klein model, usually flawless characters, aka mary sues and gary stues, tend to be physically perfect and attractive too.
He’s bored and depressed that there’s no challenge. Also his flaw is his luck since nobody (Except for a small few) believe that he’s even that powerful which keeps him in the low ranks
Isn't that series a sort've comedy, though?
I mean his apathy is sorta comedic...
"Women in films are just love interests, we need to make them more realistic"
*Makes an invincible female character who actively hates men and constantly points out how strong she is despite being female*
Kind of amusing that every strong female character has the emotional range of a block of wood. Even the most badass of male characters used personality and charisma, and showed some depth.
And you also forgot the simple fact that the male character is a love interest for the female character who is his love interest. :D
And don't forget this...
They make them badass even if they have little to no training.
The same people who defend Mary Sues are the same people who will point out a Gary Stu in an instant.
why should women need training when they can do it with no training? Training is a waste of time and for the weak. Because its only the weak who need training.
Hydraxion Voltage You're referring to Wonder Woman?
trigger warning....
a blonde, brunette and a red head are trapped on a small island.
they each try to swim to the mainland. the brunette swims 1/4 of the way... gets tired and swims back to the island.
the red head gets 1/3 of the way, gets tired and swims back to the island
the blonde gets half way. gets tired and swims back to the island.
LMAO
Nice
XD
I don't get it.
+Sebqtion Lucas
Blondes are often stereotyped as stupid.
*Picture of man pointing a gun at himself from behind*
Trust nobody, not even yourself
Calamity But that means i can't trust what you say.
Soy Gato can you trust me tho? Oh yeah yeah
@@slatephoenix3429 You should have changed your name to Nobody before writing that comment.
Wages of Sinn 😏
Feminists: why aren’t we represented in movies enough?
Writer: **includes women**
Feminists: ......why isn’t she physically stronger then that 6.5ft man?
Reminds me of an old meme. I think it was called Buffsuki.
People should really consider taking advantage of traits that many women have. For example, women are generally smaller so their strength would lie in agility. Then you can have a strong female character without making it weird. Of course this would be different if she is supposed to have supernatural abilities. Tbh, I just want strong female characters to have a personality.
@Zero Hero I haven’t watched but two against one does sound reasonable
@Zero Hero true. For a five ft person(male and female) to destroy a person twice their height they must either have supernatural abilities, be armed, or be extremely jacked (and I don’t mean like skinny woman with a little muscle jacked, I mean like bodybuilder who is visibly stronger than the opponent jacked).
It is not completely impossible for a small 5ft woman to beat a person twice her height but it’s highly unlikely and definitely not easy. And she’s definitely not gonna be able to fight several 6.5 ft people. My biggest pet peeve is actually when the author adds a weak character and makes them just magically beat several extremely strong opponents, like, at least give us an interesting way to beat this opponent by using things other than strength(like intelligence or agility because the opponent is obviously stronger). A good example of weak person beats strong person would probably be something like “viral hit” by taejun park and a bad example would be literally almost everything.
@@IAteYourLastCake "People should really consider taking advantage of traits that many women have. For example, women are generally smaller so their strength would lie in agility. Then you can have a strong female character without making it weird. Of course this would be different if she is supposed to have supernatural abilities. Tbh, I just want strong female characters to have a personality." Black widow lacks a personality, and, oddly, doesn't even make sense in a move with iron man in it. When they make a "Strong female character" they usually just overdo it. Black widow breaks every law of physics there ever was in a single move. I agree, I want a female character with a good power and a good personality, instead of having a jotaro-like personality, just really only based off of one thing.
Brilliant. I felt the same way about Sarah Connor, who I'd argue is on par with Ellen Ripley. In the first Terminator, she was down on her luck, frightened, and relied on Kyle to save her until the end where she was dragging HIM to safety and in the end, had to save herself. Then in T2, we see she's become very unstable from fear of judgement day, almost murders a man, and goes through the arc of realising she cannot abandon her humanity, the very thing which makes us human. All the while doing everything she could to protect her son from the T-1000, even though there was almost nothing she could do, her maternal instinct drove her on regardless. Talk about a great character.
And not once did she have to belittle a man to do these things. She was great on her own merits.
I love the deleted scene with Kyle. She reverted right back to the scared waitress she was for a second until Kyle reminded her of her purpose. "Save our son, Sarah"...
Yeah, also my favorite scene from T2 was when she was breaking out of that Insane asylum. She was kicking ass, she beat the shit out of someone who sexually assaulted her. She was about to escape, but then The T-800 terminator steps out of the elevator holding a shotgun, then she just collapses having a post traumatic breakdown. This fearless Heroine collapsing into a shell of her Badass self. To me, that scene just stuck with me and will forever remember it. Because she was very much flawed and could break like all of us.
@@hyperkid321 Absolutely! It's probably one of the best, if not the BEST, scenes from the movie.
T1 and T2 were the best. Rest are shit
the problem is them not being strong but them being portrayed as perfect in every thing which makes them less believable.
and it effects younger girls because it sets unrealistic standers that they need to be perfect
Less reys and more buffys.
@Vick Murray no , it's not, the one making bad feminist characters are not the feminist. Is 50 year old men who think they know what women want to see and have no idea of feminism themselves but want to try and cater to feminist. It's not working well for them, their hidden mysoginy is pretty obvious.
I liked it, but one thing I would add. Is that a strong female character can be a badass, if it serves the plot. If she has personality traits that show negatives and positives about her character through her being a bad ass. She can be feminine sure or masculine but only if that personality serves the plot. Equally so a compassionate gentle man can also serve the same outcome. Just that when we write flawless men or women it defeats the point in telling a story. Flawless characters on any gender say OG superman who was flawlessly heroic took away his sence of self as he could do anything until he was rewritten to be more dynamic. Superman at one point in history was a boring character. Gender isn't the issue even. It's just one note writing not knowing how to convey these characters with personality. There are women in the world who do not convey traditionally feminine traits. Because they're people there can be diversity but just having a women who is written to be perfect, strong and having no personality is just lazy. Basquez from aliens was also important because she was a soldier and had a sense of camaraderie with the men on her crew. It wasn't important that she could do what the men could what the other men could do. It was important that she just happened to be female, just happened to be a physically fit soldier. But was just as human and vurnerable as the other men. If she was written today she would have survived the Alien attack and would have said nothing. She was a dynamic part of the crew but was not traditionally feminine. Did not matter, she was memorable because she had personality.
I don't think women have to be written feminine. There is a large diversity of people on this earth. Just written well to serve the needs of the plot.
Right. I feel like this is taking the point to be "write well-written nurturing mother characters because that's what women be." Which would I guess still be better than horribly written flawless female non-characters but still really limiting, reproducing a stupid binary that forces men to be excessively stoic, etc etc. But yeah, you should be able to write a female tough soldier, or knowledgeable expert or whatever if you build in reasonably associated strengths and weaknesses. Hell, you can even write a story about a perfect goddess come to earth or something but then you better make the story around the unexpected problems and flaws (dunno, arrogance, exhaustion with helping people whatever) associated with that i.e. Buffy is an example of a somewhat invincible waif-fu technique using badass BUT her character is all about chosen one angst and responsibilities (although she is a traditionally feminine character in certain other ways).
@ Sounds cool! I'd say as long as one immediately forwards the flaws, whatever they are that character shouldn't be mistaken for one. I gotta say though, personally, any time I've tried writing a story I find it amazing how tempting it is to write a Mary Sue even though they're like the most obviously bad thing whenever you read one. One just wants to write about cool people and not be cruel to one's characters I guess. I think the thing I always try to remember is that while once we root for a character we do want to see them be strong and triumph and even just be action movie badass its the weaknesses and failures that make us root for them in the first place and actually connect with them.
@ It's a cool idea :)
@@fist437 couldn't say it better myself
General Olivier Armstrong, Izumi Curtis, and Riza Hawkeye from Full metal Alchemist Brotherhood is a good example of strong women.
This is why I love Mulan. They made one of her main flaws as strength (we really should accept that men are biologically stronger than females), BUT made her think laterally. She's really smart and creative, she knows how to work with people. She's not a Mary Sue unlike the new one.
Quite so, the "original disney" one, doing the thing with the weights. Inspiring the trio to pull-thumb and buck up.
Yeah I remember as a kid it blew me away how badass Mulan was by the end of the film. To this day I'm still really impressed
I don't remember her being weak. Maybe before their training. Idk if I'm right that she had a training. Should watch movie again
Nah. Mulan was physically stronger than almost all those men.
@@dotdot6008 ha ha lol, so funny
From Battle Angel Alita Last Order: "undominatable doesn't mean never been broken. It is the abbility to stand up after being broken"
did you hear that feminists are after alita now?
@@ailouros24 Who doesn't know that? Is the better question.
But grown ups should ignore spoiled childern
"This thing we call failure isn't the falling down, but the staying down"
-someone idk I'm just a internet man
@@ailouros24 wait seriously?
@@chrishansen1842 i have seen videos responding to articles claiming that she is too hot to be feminist. she caters to "the male gaze". remember when she got that new body that could be molded to any shape she wanted? well by their reasoning, if she was a truly empowered woman she should have chosen a disgusting walrus-like shape just to stick it to the patriarchy.she also is willing to communicate with males and even have feelings for them. a true sign of internalized misogyny. idiots, all of them.
Finally got a daddy shaym notification after months of videos
If dislikes could be manipulated such as on the Gillete ad where they removed 90% of the dislikes then I don't see why the bell notification being manipulated would be a problem.
I have an idea for a female character: She begins as a 'Strong wamen that need no man' but this attitude sometimes leads her to failure and defeat. Throughout the journey, she learns to be more nurturing to her allies rather than talk them down as a strong wamen - and in kind, they help her back. She becomes from an unbalanced act-strong character to a better woman to the end of the story.
I would watch and/or read the shit outta that!
That sounds awesome. Someone should really do this.
ChromeFlames+ I got u fam.
I'm an upcoming writer. I will do it!
Interesting.
I'm in the works of a film and one of my characters is like this: A girl who grew up in the bad areas of the city (Like the hood) she decided to become a strong & tough person so the no one could mess with her, she accomplished her dream but now no one wants to even BE near her (not because of her strength, but because of her infamous actions) and she became lonely, until she meets a young man who's never heard of her, and because of this they form a bond and she becomes VERY afraid of loosing him, meanwhile the young man teaches her about having fun and being more normal (like eating ice cream together or playing games together) and shows her how to truly be happy.
So basically, a woman who gave up on femininity is learning to be more feminine.
Wait a sec are you the author of the hfy story about the female destroyer of the universe who gets won over by a human man with a cookie.
When Brie Larson starts talking about how she can use Captain Marvel as her activism because CM is a strong woman in a movie, I wonder if she has forgotten about her character in Room. That one was a very strong character even if her physical strength was just that of a normal human woman. Her strength came in other ways.
i misread part of the comment as "The room" (referring to the famous so-bad-its-good movie) instead of just "Room" and i was really confused
@@KeybladeMasterVicky, now I got to watch The Room.
@@Icecypher have fun
lol you made me go back and watch room again
@@trex793, it is a great movie.
i feel like black widow was supposed to have flaws, since in age of ultron 2 she falls in love with banner and its revealed she was trained since she was a child, but people got so mad when this happened and ultron got even more hate than it actually deserved. when they attempt to do something interesting with this uninteresting character, nobody likes it.
@giveagoodsong yeah but what im saying is whedon might have had something good in mind for her but it got ruined
ShiningPig he did have bigger plans for her. But the SJW mob lambasted Joss Whedon, a man who is not only a proclaimed feminist but who also brought Buffy the Vampire Slayer into being, as being sexist and misogynistic. He had to leave Twitter because of this and it may have even played a role in his departure from the MCU.
@sofia viola hinestly the only time in the mcu where her skillset was used correctly was in Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Miyazaki films have some of the strongest female characters I've ever seen. They have flaws, they cry and so on and so forth
spirited away childhood favourite
@@BenelliAkimbo Freakin Masterpiece. Howl too.
We need some female villain more often give some equality for villain role too
Harley Quinn in Birds of Prey?
@@swee_zaide She's the main character, doofus
@@mabuhayimplottingyourdemis423 Still a villain
Hey now, thats us white males last strong hold.
Hela
I related more to these characters than fake modern SFCs.
Princess Atta from A Bug's Life genuinely wanted to be a queen, instead of "I don't want to be a queen and help my people, it's always about what I want!" Atta taught me that it's okay to have insecurities and fears and how to work through them. She was a way better role model for girls who want to pursue politics or other high positions of power than Hillary Clinton, and I personally believe she has one of the prettiest Pixar designs. Oh yeah and she can fly.
Megara from Hercules taught me to not make deals with bad/suspicious people, the importance of sacrifice, and that it's okay to fall in love and not be ashamed. She also taught me the importance of redemption.
Mrs. Brisby deserve WAY more credit for her heroic deeds, especially in that abysmal Secret of NIHM 2. It's like the characters forgot about her or something.
Honey Lemon taught me that feminine girls can be scientists and shouldn't be shamed for being intelligent and girly. Also Gogo never shames her for being girly and actually loves and respects her. Gogo herself was a tomboy but she wasn't blatantly going all "Not like the other girls." Aunt Cass has a lot of emotional strength for someone who not only lost her relatives but her nephew in such a short amount of time, but she manages to remain stable and not let her losses pull her down.
Arcee from TFP taught me about the sad reality of PTSD and that is okay to have moments of shutting down (again she has PTSD). That does not stop her from being a badass through and through.
Everyone seems to give Sonic a lot of shit these days, but you have:
- A batty jewel thief who also operates as a government spy and despite her suggestive choice of clothing is actually super classy and feminine. Her friendship with Shadow and Omega in the games and Topaz in Sonic X were highlights of her character and how ultimately loyal she is to her friends.
- A pink hedgehog who is a total fangirl who spends her days lusting after the hero but learns to be less dependent on him while still keeping that crush. She admires him for his spirit and compassion, she cares about her friends, and despite wearing a dress all the time carries a giant mallet for a weapon. Also she can read tarot cards. Has her moments, but she stopped someone from blowing up the planet by simply talking to him and appealing to his good nature.
- A cute Moe rabbit who is as sweet as they come but can also handle herself in a fight. When she had to stop one of her robot friends she was CRYING but still had to do it. Also, her little Chao pet is the equivalent of a mini nuke.
- A flame wielding princess from another dimension who felt like an outcast due to her powers and status. Learns to be more friendly and open to others; sacrificed her life once to stop an evil God. She sees Sonic as an equal without a forced romance.
- A sickly human girl who lost her life trying to save her only friend, the resident Edgelord. Her last wish inspired him to seek peace and remain kind.
Of course you have Tikal, Sally Acorn, Bunnie Rabbot, NICOLE, Fiona Fox, Wave the Swallow, Merlina, Shara the genie, Tangle the Lemur and Whisper the Wolf, all of them were great characters.
But I guess all of them are written off as weak all because none of them are quick to beat up anyone with a dick.
@giveagoodsong Yes! For once I would love to see more princess characters actually want the throne and have ambition without being portrayed as villains.
“written of as weak”
Literally by whom??
@@alexbennet4195 People complained about certain characters I described as weak and useless. If Meg was an official Disney Princess she would be considered weak because extreme feminists and caustic critics have a hate boner for anything related to the Princesses. Amy Rose, Cream and Rabbit are often said to be useless, Amy for her crush on Sonic and Cream for the fact that she's six and doesn't seem to possess a lot of the 'offensive' powers most Sonic characters have. And let's not even go into Mrs. Brisby.
Chellis McElveen: But who even are these people? I’ve never heard of any Meg hate - quite the opposite, lots of feminists really like her as a character. And as for the criticism of female characters I’ve actually heard people say, often they actually have decent points (like them being badly written), or they actually like the character and their criticisms are admittedly minor, yet over people blow up other them. The very tiny minority of “radical” feminists who just hate on these characters for no good reason are the smallest group by far.
lol, you sound like a Millennial with these lists.
SJWs hijacked the term strong and replaced it with feminist female character. The term strong character is a character that both have flaws and has the ability to overcome them( regardless of gender). Alita From Battle Angel Alita is a very good example of writing a female character with a strong presence in the story( she just happens to be in an action Manga).
Ok a female character is good
But if they are overpowered and just start beating up all the men and makes it seem unfair then yea that's bad
But it could work if she earned it. Like how real life works?
*Cough.* Rey. *Coughing.*
mimi mimi Why did you think that I mean beating up someone else? I’m talking about training, practice. And taught by a more experienced individual. And the time spent doing those things, showing small steps of improvement on a journey to greatness. Not just a few words of advice or swings and call it training.
You seem to be pretty violent yourself if you assumed that I was talking about violence that easily.
Random Person "You seem to be pretty violent yourself if you assumed that I was talking about violence that easily".
No, just no; that’s not how *anything* worketh.
Grilly Grilly What are you even trying to say? Learn how to spell. Worketh isn’t a word.
I hate 'Girl Power', but I love girls WITH power.
But if you say, "man power" it is sexist
@@brandonsaquariumsandterrar8985 *CANCELLED*
Accurate af
@@brandonsaquariumsandterrar8985 *canceled*
@@brandonsaquariumsandterrar8985
*We need more man power!*
Keep speaking the truth. I love female characters if they're done right. Uma Thurman's character in Kill Bill was great. She was a highly trained killer but none of the men in the movie were portrayed as weak. They got the drop on her. She was buried alive. She almost killed in the beginning of the film. But I'm sure if the movie was made around today the character would have gotten to Bill unscathed. The male roles would have been pushovers. She would have ended up teaching the martial arts instructor something and she would have learned that 5 pressure point technique out of nowhere, just like Rey in the last Jedi. By the way I'd love to hear you talk about the Last Jedi in depth.
Not only that , but the Bride also shows that she has an emocional side when she learns that her daughter is still alive. And Bill even tries to use that against her.
I think Tarantino wrote Bride to by strong because she is woman and not dispite. That is what modern (pseudo)feminist didn´t understand.
+ActivistParrot Luke blew up a Death Star by mind controlling torpedos he's never fired before in a vehicle he's never piloted before. Rey beat a half-dead Sith who got torn open with a Wookie Bowcaster. Cry me a fuckin' river about Rey already.
@@RecklessFire29 Luke in episode IV was an insecure adolescent whining all the way through, until he finally trusts Kenobi (he doesn't know, he trusts his mentor!) and uses the force instead of trying to do things in his stupid and unsuccessful ways. Luke in episode V is an impatient young guy who almost gets killed because he tries to battle a much stronger foe showing both underestimation of the enemy AND overestimation of his own abilities. He also gets destroyed emotionally and his last resort is, quite literally, suicidal. Only in episode VI does Luke become a strong character, yet he still has to face his own worst unsolved issues. Rey, on the other hand, has nothing of this: she explores her new, almost casual, condition by trying casually what took other people years to develop at lesser stages, she never has to learn, she never missteps anything, she never faces real challenges because she already is better than anyone eles, she has no strong motivations guiding her, she doesn't fight and she doesn't suffer, but everything comes to her naturally; but mostly, she never fails, she has no weak sides, no flaws. And of course this is why she is so incredibly boring. (BTW, Luke couldn't beat a training droid, the first time he held a lightsaber. Rey, on the other hand... Like I said, no faults, no flaws, only superhuman perfection, how boring is that?)
@@SirEdwardeight You're comparing the skill levels of a Moisture Farmer that has never seen a day of combat in his life to a girl that has had to exist in a desert hell-hole fighting for her life scrapping space cruisers that crashland around the planet.
Also, you DO realize that Luke wore a blinding helmet, right? He couldn't see shit.
The woman very clearly knows how to use a weapon, and her entire life is spent gaining and adapting. Everything is driven on instinct with her in combat. She also does fuck up, several times in fact. She gets captured, even. Them having to go save her is what gets Han killed.
So why don't they just hammer the shit out of her about that? Because that useless pile of shit Luke never got it either. Everyone kissed his ass because he was a Jedi, and only in the final movie did he actually get any combative skill to his name. Other than that, he's largely been completely useless, yet he somehow seems to be loved by everyone for everything he does, despite losing every fight he seems to get into.
Oh, and don't forget blowing up a planet destroying space station with Force-Guided Torpedos, the only thing he ever actually did.
But yes, let's completely ignore the facts against Luke, one of the most beloved characters in the franchise, his absolute status as dead fucking weight except for piloting, yet everyone regards him as some great savior come to stop the Sith and bring balance to the force. Meanwhile, we'll rake Rey over the coals for daring to fight and defeat a half-dead Sith (explained by her survivalist upbringing), her ability to fix ships (again, explained by her job), and her daring to use a Jedi Mind Trick a brainwashed soldier with no will (something which incompetent, no-confidence Luke couldn't do, but Padawans could easily do in the Clone Wars show).
(Shot of Luke in TLJ) voiceover: "dont need to make a man look incompetent in comparison."
Me: Shots FIRED
Rey: I’m a strong female character!
Captain Marvel: No, I am!
???: Amateurs...
Captain Marvel: What did you say?!
Princess Fiona: Amateurs...
General kenobi
We meet again at last
HEY I MET YOU BOTH AGAIN
Ahsoka Tano: Amateurs
For some reason, keeping Fiona's name hidden made that way better. I dunno
I'd like to say certain Anime do the "Strong female" well.
Azrily Rhul And possibly even better than current western flims.
Hunter x hunter komugi, full metal alchemist brotherhood, almost all females are written well. Re zero, rem, code geass, kallen, monogatari series etc. There are plenty of good female characters but they are difficult to find, just like well written Male characters.
Stone ocean
Dropout
Railgun Spinoff
Catwoman is an example of a well rounded character . No not the Halle berry version that one was trash . But her comic backstory of being an orphan learning to defend herself and survive . I especially like when Batman and Catwoman work together and that they both save each other . I like how she has weaknesses , a dark past but uses her feminity to her advantage and isn't ashamed of it . She's seductive but she uses it as a weapon which works .
I also liked the main character in birdbox and how she eventually started having maternal instincts towards the two kids and protected them . It didn't make her weak and she wasn't a Mary Sue she had to overcome the death of her sister and her past to get the kids to safety .
Salina Kyle in Gotham is a good example of a good female character. Same with almost every female character in Gotham.
@@spartansquid5931 yeah I used to watch Gotham and liked how all of the characters were well rounded
@@dddddddddddddddd6886 Yeah, season 5 just recently started, so far they've decided to make Gotham an apocalyptic wasteland divided between the worst criminals and madmen, with Gordon only running a tiny area that takes in civilians and keeps them safe, everywhere else in Gotham has no power and is called the dark zone, Jeremiah is gradually going more insane as he obsesses over bruce. And the government won't allow people in or out of Gotham and refuses to help after the bridges blew.
@@dddddddddddddddd6886 It's all really badass so far.
The only thing I like more than Gotham and Star Wars is a flat earther trying to explain gravity.
There's different ways of being strong than just physical
Wow you opened a whole new world to us all!
@@marcelldavis8861 lol apparently some need to be on that planet.
Notice: if there’s a strong male character, who don’t need no woman, that often ends up being his fatal flaw and what he needs to let go of to complete his mission/achieve his goal.
Very intetsting take, I am struggling with a female character now.
Good luck
best of luck to you
Good luck soldier
Here’s a tip!
Make there character first, gender last.
Thank you. God forbid you try to explain this online, you automatically get labeled a woman hater by all the white knights who don't understand hollyweird is ruining female characters.
H o L l Y w E i R d? That's the best you could think of?
@@ancientgrease9870 I didnt come up with that, so you're dumb😁
@@halflife352011
Someone is cranky. Plus, you use emojis. On youtube. Gtfo.
These brainwashed puppets that “support” women, don’t realize they are ruining women.
@Radical Left
Maybe you should shut up, mr. phd in psychology. I said "hollyweird" is a lame joke (I mean who can deny) and he/she jumps to personal insults. Oh yeah, I'm the cranky one. Lmao gtfo, leftie.
This man
Eats facts for breakfast
Logic for lunch
And dines on determination
Desert ?
Saying "strong female character" is like a left handed compliment that we don't even realize we are saying. Thank you for making this.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought a male Mary Sue is called "Gary Stu".
That'd explain why most Mary Sues are female.
I've heard of male Mary Sue's as Marty Sue's.
Huh.
@@PlayerFrazier They're multiple ways of what an male mary Sue is called.
@Mega Necksnapper I personally prefer Gary Stu.
@@twigtoyoulater why isn't it Gary Sue though?
@DogsDreamToo idk
Daddy Shaym here talking about how cool women are and the SJWs are still gonna find something about this to be offended about.
It's a male talking about female characters, it's automatically "mansplaining" and invalid uwu
Doesn't matter what if his points are good to people this shallow and mindless, guess that's why they don't enjoy the critique of the shallow "strong" characters in media.
1:11 - The text says "Women account for 50% of moviegoers"
WELL WHAT ELSE WOULD IT BE?! ANDROGYNOUS TREE PEOPLE WATCHING MOVIES?!
???
it is meant to say
Women account for 50% of moviegoers, while men are the other 50%
That second part is implied cause you shoud have enough inteligence to understand it
I had to delete one of my first stories because people said my female character was too flawed. Nevermind most of the characters had major flaws.
As someone who wants to get into writing, I'd recommend this video because it gives specific examples of how a good female character is written. Personally, I'd add a few detailed examples of bad female characters, like Rey (even if she was being shown often throughout this video). But overall this is fantastic.
Rey may be the best, most infamous example of this problem ever. That they gave her absolutely no character arc is simply stunning. I have heard of a bigger problem with 7-9. They never actually planned out the stories. A $4 billion property and they couldn't be bothered with a roadmap.
I kinda disagree, but here me out. The main problem with the new Star Wars movies is that they are not putting all the information you need to know about a character in the movie. You have to buy 3 other books and watch a cartoon on their streaming service to get a full backstory and motivations of a character. You read Bloodlines and your opinion on Leia can go from being a "strong female character" to a leader of a fringe terrorist organization who provoked a war pretty quick. Phasma is a joke in the movies but in her background book she is absolutely frighting and will murder you for the sake of holding onto power. When it comes to Rey almost everything about her is explained with little nuggets of information that is scattered across the whole of the franchise. It boils down to her being the way she is because the Force requires her to be. The Force is the literal deus ex machina of the Star Wars universe.
@@erwin669 And that is a huge, universe destroying thing to happen. Training to be a Jedi (A sci fi alt. to training to be a Knight or Samuri) is a waste of time. Just let the force choose you. Now I don't want to see a young Ben movie. He's a moron. Wasted his time.
Strong Female Characters Are NOT Ruining Female Characters, SJW Female Characters Are Ruining Female Characters.
Alice from Resident Evil
Trinity from Matrix
Black Widow
Leia Organa
Gwen Stacy from TASM 1 and 2
Ripley
Motoko Kusanagi
Wonder Woman
Furiosa from Mad Max
Sarah Conner
Carol from The Walking Dead
X-23 from Logan
*Alita Battle Angel*
A lot of these characters are not super powered badasses, they are simply interesting, nicely written characters with decent level of good development who just so happened to be females
I feel like alot of the female playable characters like Jill or sheva are strong but not a man inside a woman body.
For example in resident evil 5, in-game only Chris (the guy) can give her jump boost through broken ladders or gain distance on long jumps but not the other way around.
she gets the job done as a female character, she is a strong and caring character but has weakness, she isn't as strong nor as fast as Chris. But her light weight gives her some advantage over Chris.
This makes sense because naturally males are heavier and stronger than their female counterparts but feminist can't accept it.
>Alice from Resident Evil
Sure thing buddy
Alice is a shit character
Toph beifong
idk trinity from matrix didn’t really do much she was only there cause she can shoot and fall in love with neo. i really liked emily blunt’s character in looper cause she wasn’t afraid to fight anyone or anything, but she was very loving and nurturing towards her son.
fun fact, I failed my English GCSE and in our new English subject gender is our subject, our home work was write a story with a positive female role model and there was no mention of men apart from us being shit, we also had to read "snow child" which is kind of like a part of snow white apart from it shows the man being worse, the entire lesson we had so far was just our teacher telling us how the men are both weaker than women but are some how, suppressing them (either that or oppressing them) we also watched a scene where women beat a man to death for raping a woman, what this had to do with gender I have no idea, any way thank you for reading.
Sounds like good ol propaganda to me.
I recognize that from my studies. I figured out a way to pass though. Whenever I had to write an essay for my SJW professor, I would print out pictures of Karl Marx and put up all over the apartment. I would also watch feminist propaganda for hours just to get into the right mindset. I became a SJW.
It's whoreshit and unfair. I should have reported it really, but fuck it. Too lazy for that.
How can you fail your gcse, then get given a new topic - makes no sense. There is not even a book on the spec that addressed gender unless it was an old one - in which case feminism wasn’t around then. Your entire paragraph was just made up rubbish.
Ellen Ripley is like one of the coolest female characters
Even in the third part she is basiclly the boss at this point
And in the book the characters are only named by family name and there is no mention on who is male or female.
It's a good character that happened to be cast with a good female actress.
Momma bear vs Momma bear
This is incredible!!! Thank you!
The big bear?
*T H E B I G S U C C*
Dr Bright He means that characters that are too strong may not be compelling bcus there won’t be a goal for the character
I meant what Soft Pillow said. Please, no hate.
Don’t hold your breath
Your pfp is fucking adorable lmao.
The best example I can think of for a strong female character is, in all honesty, Rarity from My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. Yeah, go ahead and get the laughter out of you system now so I can explain.
Rarity is a fashion designer. She loves pretty dresses and diamonds, and dreams of finding her prince charming, all of which are decidedly feminine. However, she's also a shrewd business owner, owning three boutiques, two of which are in Manehattan and Canterlot (Their equivalent of New York and Washington DC). She made her way in the most cut-throat industry through shear tenacity and force of will.
Plus, she followed a group into the most dangerous forest in the world to stop a mad near-god from plunging the world into eternal darkness and kicked a fucking manticore in the face.
Prime example of good writing right here.
Rarity is one of the best ponies in the show, and an awesome female character. If you really look at it, all the main characters in My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic are great female characters in my opinion. They all have strengths, wether it be Fluttershy’s compassion or Applejack’s dependability, and weaknesses like Twilight’s perfectionism or Rainbow Dash’s ego.
All of them are still great people, err ponies, but they’re all portrayed as flawed. It’s honestly a shame Hollywood doesn’t get how to write female characters for a huge franchise like Star Wars, but a toy company making glorified toy ads in the form of a TV show, understands how.
Hollywood doesn't have characters like this because it doesn't sell. People who watch a new movie every week don't want characters with character. They want cheap thrills.
If there wasn't so darn many of them the industry wouldn't be such a joke.
I think you are too young for youtube, either that, or you are too perverse for youtube. Don't mention that show again.
@rmisionero
My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic!
This topic is so controversial but it still has a really good like:dislike ratio...
Maybe because for once, the guy actually handled the subject well?
To be fair, the people watching his videos aren't exactly a random selection of RUclips viewers, lol.
Anime female leads are really well written, in the fact that they are still feminine and strong but are well written characters that happen to be female
Yeaaaah! Have you seen Gakkou Gurashi/School-Live?
But i get your point of not just phycally "strong"
Most anime girls are just there for fanservice or romance tho
The character was made to break stereotypes but now it’s just become a new one
I see strong woman in
Film : oh no, again???
Anime : YEEEEEEEEEES
want to know the diference? you can see if you have a good criticism status
Well the eastern media does not get affected by Americans feminazi so they can actually write a strong feminine character instead of a strong character that happend to be female
@@rency1803 I'm confused the last one is an good thing
Katara and toph(is it anime?idk)
Rency I think you got confused with the last statement. The last thing you said is a good thing.
Mega Necksnapper I know I’m confused too
Example Lara Croft in the 2013 game trilogy. First game she starts off weak constantly needing help from her friends. Second game she can do most on her own, but still has Jonah helping a lot. Shadow of a tomb raider she literally breaks down showing she has flaws and weaknesses. That's why she is a good female. character.
Yeah, silver spoon girl that grabs a bow and starts killing hardened cutthroats in dozens. Great job by Rhianna Pratchett (no)
New Lara's incessant whining in the first game is a big reason why I haven't finished it yet. It's not a legitimate display of terror, it's just a woman yelling "OH GOD OH FUCK" every thirty seconds for cinematic effect.
Don't forget Chell from Portal series.
I think your model for creating good female characters is 90% perfect. I want to leave open a space for the occasional hyper-violent and assertive woman. The key is diverse, creative, and well-written characters. As long as the character serves the story well and is not carelessly designed, I am fine with it.
I am pretty well-drawn to Black Widow who seemed to have taken the opposite route. She was a confident and competent femme-fatale. Text-book definition action-star mary sue. But as the films go by, they start establishing that she is incredibly sentimental and affectionate of her surrogate family. She even sacrificed herself because she loved them. She ain't the best female example, but she can join the pantheon of awesome female characters.
-Shaym makes a reasonable argument about how a strong female character is made
-Every feminist that takes the word of Anita like it's the holy gospel: ...
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MANSPLAINING MISOGYNISTIC SEXIST RACIST MAN TELLS US HOW FEMININE TRAITS AREN'T BAD FOR FEMALE CHARACTERS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
RUclips’s algorithms are slamming you huh
At least this video is monetized (at least for me and for now - I got 3 ads here).
@@MCMaterac I got 1
@@rubyrude.infinite I got one at the video start and two others at the yellow marks on the video progress bar. Weird that this time I still see the marks, but got the ad only at the end.
I think Zootopia does a decent job at making judy feel like a strong character at the end of the movie without actually making her physically strong
Absolutely. I am extremely excited for ZOOTOPIA 2
I love how she takes advantage of her natural agility and speed to make up for her lack of strength
Zootopia Main message was your not what you are like not all foxes are deceitful and all bunnies are dumb
Most of the Animated Disney Leading Females, even recent ones would work. You showed Nala several times, and, yes, she is a great example of a good, strong female character. Other notably good ones are Belle, Mulan, Judy Hopps, Cinderella, and Moana just to name a few. If only the live-action movies could get this right...
And the villains too, all of them ( except, well, the evil queen) are very confident in themselves and their looks even if they are old and wrinkly or fat, and they are strong, but they loose cause they overestimate the heroes ( or just cause, you know, evil can't win in a kids movie)
@@nessyness5447 uhh Cruells is awesome
Kill Bill vol 1 & 2 was an action movie staring a female protagonist done very well imo
see i would agree if it werent for the fact that she got raped while in coma, so i cant even watch that movie because it makes me wanna die. but im sure you got like 3 more female protagonists done very well, kudos
@@mephybooks7309 that rape fleshed out her character and made her more driven to get her revenge.. her character was still written and executed very well
@@Luzmaldita577 no it didn't what the fuck, it was a gratuitous addition to the movie and character motivation didn't need it
THe rAPe fLeSHeD OuT Her ChARaCTer
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jesus christ.. fuck me...
@@mephybooks7309 The character motivation in a sense needed it in order to surpass the fact that she has been in a coma for 4 years. When she awoke from her coma she was hopeless, but to find out ontop of that that she has been sexually abused while unconscious filled her with the rage necessary to get out of that situation. Theoretically, could she could have gotten out of that situation without the rape happening? Maybe, but theres also the factor that it fuels more to her rage against Bill. He almost took her life, took her babys life (from what she thinks she knows), took 4 years of her life, and also got fucking raped for 4 years?? All that gave her the strength she needed to move her big toe and leave the hospital with her mind made up on her revenge.
@giveagoodsong I mean she almost got super close to being defeated by Bill and his brother, it was more so that she was just the most skilled killer in the world and happened to be a women. She had many flaws that almost led her to her death
Thank you so much for talking about Mrs. Brisby. She is seriously one of the strongest, bravest characters I have ever seen in film.
"Strong/Diverse" female characters are the equivalent of the nice guy/fedora neckbeards. I just said what everyone was thinking. Strong female characters SHOW instead of TELLING. Actions speak louder than words and force-feeding a purple haired Gender Studies professor into the mouths of fans of a beloved franchise just won't work. One does not simply send Rorschach to prison and tell the audience he's a killer; the audience and the inmates come to find out why and how.
Suddenly professional film makers forgot everything about character development and story arcs. God forbid a female character has some personal flaws or obstacles to overcome which would actually endear her more to the audience.
Surprised you didn’t mention katniss, she’s a great female character who has flaws
Funny when Jennifer Lawrence play as Aurora from Passengers, she act very girly. She was so pretty yet much stronger than Katniss. But people don't like the movie because they say it glorifying creep misogynist, while my friend who was rape victim enjoyed watching the movie a lot, lol
Katniss as a character was good, but the movies were mediocre
As a writer, a male writer at that, I can back this up. I always ask myself, what will the character do in this situation? Does this character's gender or sexuality matter in the plot? I like to write feminine characters, male or female. Aside from my own liking, it's because I like to write plots lean on details, and feminie characters can interact with details more that masculine characters. I firmly believe that characters should serve and lead the plot, so tokenism will be only in supporting roles. I can never understand stripping all femininity off a female character, it's just bad design.
I'm not a writer, but I make stories up in my head. I'm male. I also make most of the characters feminine (except for the main character). Maybe it's because I want to show how reliant they are to him or that he is a super stoic badass compared to them, when the others run away he stands there, unfazed. I know he may not sound like a real person, but he's like that because he's insane from isolation for 70 years (he's immortal). But, that's his tragedy, he wants to die because he hates his life, but he can't. Also, how did this go from saying that most of my characters are feminine to me talking about my main character. I should just stop.
@@themis467 aa is that a daoist I spot high in the clouds
Ripley, Leia and Sarah Connor are my favourites still. I also really like Luv, Joi and Lt. Joshi from 2049.
We’re talking about original trilogy Leia right? Not that imitation Leia from the Disney sequels.
If you like that leia then you clearly aren't a star wars fan
Laurie Strode?
Laurie strode (Jamie lee Curtis) from Halloween 2018
@@bigdog7632 Yes. I mean, she's a very flawed character. She lost her daughter thanks to the vigorous training Karen went through, getting DHS involved. Very much injured in her fight with Michael to the point she had to be carried out of her burning house by her family. Drinking problems. PTSD. She's a victim of a brutal crime and I think Halloween 2018 should be the inspiration on how to make a truly strong female character. They shouldn't use Rey or Captain Marvel as inspirations. It should all come from Jamie Lee Curtis' amazing portrayal of the character that made her and yes, even Ellen Ripley, who actually shares the same traits of the Laurie Strode from the new Halloween continuity.
Best written female protagonists (written at the top of my head*): Ripley, Samus, Jill Valentine, Lt. Joshi, Tsuyu, Princess Ariel, Lara Croft (classic-era games), Akko, Aeon Flux, Powerpuff Girls (McCracken era), Kyoko Kirigiri, Astrid Hofferson, Lela, Princess Fiona, Sailor Moon, Revy, Clarice Starling, Misato Katsuragi, Bulma, and Sarah Connor.
*_*(EDITED AS OF 2/15): it means i wrote these examples at the top of my head, i did not forget anyone, okay? if you want to reply with more examples, that is fine. but please do not reply with "but you forgot x," because i am aware of the other ones too. also, don't include the other stuff i already mentioned. thank you._*
NPC's, liberals, and modern Hollywood need to take notes on how to write a good female character rather than have females be the main characters by shoving down their dumbass woke political agenda down people's throats.
Sena Kashawazaki
Let's not forget other Disney and DreamWorks characters like Helen and Violet Parr, Princess Fiona, Moana, Elsa and Ana, Rapunzel, etc.... It's really funny how Disney and DreamWorks do the main female characters so much justice in animated films but fail to do so in live action movies.... Strange.
Tyler Vega But I just included Fiona and the other two Disney and DreamWorks characters lol
@@theactualTVB yeah I didnt see the "read more" button on your comment, that's why🤣🤣.
Tyler Vega It’s fine haha. But yeah, you still made a great point. Helen, Violet, Jesse, EVE, Rapunzel, Dory, Ariel, Belle, Fiona, Tigress, Astred, Kim Possible-these animated characters play way better roles as female protagonists than either The Last Jedi or Captain Marvel. And both Star Wars and Marvel are owned by Disney and are well established franchise before and during that acquisition. Go figure.
Thank you for this. This was a well put together argument. Using the things feminist say to contradict there own statements which prove them as sexist is brilliant. This was a bit less humurous than your other videos I've seen so far yet is was enlightening and carefully executed. My hats off to you sir.
Black widow is a perfect example of a strong female character. That works
Take the main character from The Shape of Water. That's a role I feel was written quite well.
Alita battle angel was soo good.
That's how you make a strong female lead. James Cameron knows what he's doing.
Not really? She fell in love with some random ass dude after like 5 minutes and the plot followed that boring ass storyline lol? Honestly people lick that movies balls way too hard.
It wasn't perfect but at least it's better than Captain Marvel
Boy! terminator dark fate has something for you.
It was decent, looking forward to Black Widow more
James Cameron always knows what he's doing.
If they (feminists and SJWs) so desperately want lead female characters, why don't they work towards becoming professional directors and script-writers instead of getting a degree in gender disparity or something. Same for running for President and any other post where you have actual power. You need to earn power and respect. You can't be so incompetent and at the same time, expect to be handed power.
It's easier to complain and sick the twit-er mob on someone and demand change than to actually work toward that change themselves
(Ironically, if they did do that, they might understand why it's better to show a character striving for something rather than having it handed to them)
“We want female leads and strong women in movies!”
“I’m not going to make this happen myself though, I’ll wait for people to do it for me because I deserve it for doing nothing!”
I think that if they really became professional directors and started making movies with "strong female characters", the movies would be totally 0/10 and laughed at. The reason would be abusing the fact that the movie is specifically made to show that female character and making her too badass or just too strong, just like captain marvel. Seriously, they made her so powerful that I'd doesn't make sense that she hasn't doo much in the movie. She just came at the end and delivered some serious blows to the villain forces and that's it. With the feminist-made movies, that would be the same thing. Focusing too much on one character and making the movie just mediocre.
But if you don’t want to dedicate your whole life to that cause what’s so wrong with just..speaking out??
they should be the change they wish to see.
Anyone seen the new toy story 4 poster?
To early now to make assumptions but I’m worried they’re gonna make bo peep another condescending feminist ‘strong independent wyman’ type who’ll throw in something along the lines of “ugh men, am I right ladies”.
Or she'll continue to be thirsty as fuck for Woody's ""woody*
spartan squid that’d hopefully be the best case scenario. Just anything that isn’t her spouting “girls rule and boys drool” nonsense.
Considering the BS they showed in the Werck-It Ralph 2 trailer, and the fact that Disney is in charge of Marvel and Star Wars, signs point to RESSPEC WAHMEN
The Kill Bill series for eg. gets it right for a strong female lead imo....it works on many levels .... she often fights against 'bad' women...(not just men), is empowered without need to reference to it on a 'gender' level...yet she is still emotionally vulnerable at times and driven by simple revenge ....Tarantino is very intuitive and smart when writing female parts...he creates very believable characters in his movies without the need to ever 'virtue signal'..., writes them as good and bad people ,strong and weak etc. always exploring and revealing a wide range of realistic female traits.
SJW's and Feminists never realized that Ripley was amazing. She did what no man or father could have done. As a man we understand the love of a child but we don't have that strong bond as a woman does from giving birth. That's why Ripley was able to save Newt and get out and why no man could have done that. She wasn't Superwoman or a Wonder Woman either. Just a regular woman who was a mother.
That is why Ripley is the one of best female characters of all time,and one of my favorite.People are confused about what courage and bravery is.Brave is not one who feels no fear,it is condition of lacking fear,brave is the one who overcome his fear in time of needs.