Why can’t we get level matching on these videos? It’s insane. They play things that are too low in the mix and then enable them to the right volume. Joe and Greg should know this is no way to compare!
They're just trying to sell you the plugin. It's the old "louder is better" trick. Not falling for it. Waves shouldn't need to stoop down to this level. And they shouldn't make me pay for upgrades to make my old plugins, that I already paid for, continue to work. It's total BS!
@@agesonjohanesburg2915 making sure the loudness of an effected signal matches the incoming signal. Fabfilter Q3 can do it with EQs, it's a little harder with compression. But iot should definitely be possible with saturation. I would imagine cranking the BB knobs should slightly decrease the output knob, because then you can dial in a sound without the "oh it's better the more I crank it" feel - which is just increased volume, that _always_ sounds better.
1982: Digital has flat, undistorted perfect sound 2022: Let's use all our digital processing power simulating tubes, tape, amps ect to get the grime back!
Yup. We started too grimey went to pristine and then found ourselves now in a nice hybrid area in the middle. Just like physics, life, and history. The answer is usually somewhere in the middle mate.
Straight up bro, you have what you need believe me. We were living all along with what we have already. Not saying that this one isn't worth it but lets not go mad or discourage over a piece of gear or software.
Ever since I picked this thing up a few months ago, everything I've been producing has been freaking amazing sounding. Ty waves, once again. This thing is a really aptly named plugin.
Bring out the platitudes like, "it sounds warmer, more analogue and give more analogue glue", etc :D In this video it is clear that the dry vocals is far too low in the mix with the music. In any order for us potential buyers, to judge this plugin correctly, they must be exactly the same volume.... Maybe an auto gain feat....?!?? :D
I've tried this side by side with UAD Limiting Amplifiers and it's really close. Though if you listen really close there is the difference. UAD has that Analog sound which is very surprising.
@@PlottingTheDownfall ruclips.net/video/XBwM4wHMjDY/видео.html I found a good analysis here! Harmonics and Compression at minute 6! It's a heavy compression in there!
@@henrikpetersson3463 nhm i dont think so, i mean if a Sinus wave goes above zero, theres a cut. The Curve goes into Square Wave which produces overtones, because in the curve or in that file a corner is for that maybe micromoment a piece of a faster frequency. All that what Happens above Zero is not a compressed Version down below, its a mostly flat line on Zero until the Wave goes back on the other side of polarity. Otherway if i remember right, the compression in BB was with a knee and not with infinity Ratio what above zero wouldnt be compression but limiting. Hopefully it was understandable with my technical german-english. Some words maybe dont exist that way😅 If i am wrong tell me your truth!
Marketing meeting at Waves (and several other plugin sellers): "We need a glowing testimonial endorsing our new product..." "... Let's call in Greg!" Walks to closet with puppets, pulls out Greg Wells, and boom: testimonial is done!
Love it! I'm curios to know to the people commenting here do you actually write and record music or just talk trash on people who do DROP YOUR LINKS BELOW
Have you guys actually tried it before commenting ? The clipping effect of this plugin added to the excellent saturations sounds better than many hardware units. It really does. Try before you deny. I’ve tried to emulate that for years investing thousands of € and you can now do it within minutes for 24$. Just thank the engineers you bunch of ungrateful trolls! 😈
nope. demo’d it. properly gain staged it. heard the fizzy aliasing even with the oversampling engaged. was suspicious. ran null tests with plugin doctor, only to find it does aliasing artifacting and the oversampling functions DO NOT work. so what’s there to be grateful for? hype bs and two paid endorsers is all i am seeing.
@@THEESHITSHOW maybe it doesn’t work with your configuration 😟At least you’re talking about your own experience 👍. (No aliasing on my side and much more loudness with instant peak reduction).
I saw some "debunking" of this plugin on various channels talking about how it can be replicated with free plugins and whatnot. Then later that day I heard a great quote from Jordan Valeriote of Hardcore Music Studio. He said it was the stupidest thing he's observed in a while, to judge a plugin based on what you see in plugin doctor. And he reminded me that all that matters is how it sounds. I'll just have to demo this plugin for myself and make a decision. Analog ITB is more real than ever, that much is for sure.
It’s not at all stupid to judge it by that. What it showed us, once again, is how fooled we get by increased gain and EQ changes. Especially when things are hidden behind a deceptive interface. Of course it matters if it sounds good. But if the same thing can be easily done with tools you already have, then why buy it? The only reason I can think of to buy a plug-in that is redundant in terms of sound would be if it enhances my workflow. But in this case I fail to see how it would.
Love that Bryce Drew is still working with Greg Wells, I really like what I've heard so far from her after watching Greg's PureMix videos, wonderful voice! :) I'm gonna give the plugin a go, great tone and sweet saturation!
@@slamcrank thank you! the song on this video "Still Recovering" is out now, as well as another new single called "Glow" 💜 Hope you have chance to listen xx
Its a great demo - this is where everything is at plugin wise and companies are simply outdoing each other which is amazing. BUT - wouldn't the magic here have been to show GETTING MORE without adding anything or much to your mix bus? Get back the voltage, but add all this musical content / harmonics, but controlling the transients? A video on what is it doing would be really great too. I though bought it without watching or demoing because Waves keeps crushing it. Along with about 19 other companies. 🙂
Sounds wonderful. But if we already own 'The Black Box', 'Decapitator' and The 'Abbbey Road distortion?! Do we need this too?? I know I'm gonna buy it anyway ;) But the question still remains...
Sounds great , seems like plugins are catching up fast , if you want an analog sound use saturation ore harmonic distortion instead of eq ore after eq if u want to anchor the sound
I was comparing it to the ST decapitator. And actually they are more different then I thought. In some ways, the decapitator was better in other ways to BB tubes was better. I do wish they would make the gain setting more similar for the video though. it’s a horse apiece. Well have to go eat lunch.
Auto gain would have been nice! Nevertheless, this is a great saturation simulator that uses eight times oversampling and sounds almost like real saturation. I would advise not to overuse this! Not everything has to be right in your face. On the other hand this sounds absolutely beautiful, if you use it in a careful and subtle way. I had it on a Cello recording yesterday and it helped a lot to bring out some nice detail. But, Waves, why do you stick to these old fashioned skeuomorphic GUIs? It could be so much more useable and a little more insight would be even better that this BB thing already is.
Just get the SDRR2. It's cheaper than Waves """"""sale""""" price, sounds great and has no BS marketing, artificial pricing, scammy upgrade subscriptions or other questionable business practices
Hmmmmm…. Look like I’ll be adding this to my collection. I have every single plugin that waves has and I enjoy all of them. Some people always say they don’t need the entire collection. Well, I personally thank it’s better to have as much as possible because you will eventually need to use them for something down the line.✌🏽
@@bloodpuke4146 wait for it - soon you will ! It is how it works, Every 1 or 2 year you pay 300. It just means you are new to music, and haven't had to pay yet. Still beginner, it will change soon, haha!
Love the tone of this thing but it adds a ton of gain. Greg & Joe aren't compensating enough in the video. Also Black Box seems to squeeze a bit more gain out of a source but with less coloration and it doesn't sound quite as good on drums.
Its always a game changer but the effect is so subtil... its nothing to brag about.. You can do this with EQ or other tube plugins. Nothing come close to a good tu e nic pre
I’m sorry but when I hear “game changer” all I can think is “probably overhyped.” I’m sorry but there’s no way it’s significantly better than alternatives such as Tone Projects’ Kelvin
I will be honest with you guys, i dont think that this plugins sounds pleasing an natural to me. Maybe its just me. I kinda liked the mix better without the plugin.
"you can't get it with an EQ... Not this fast anyway.." The most Greg Wells thing ever said. Crazy that his mixes sound anything close to nice considering how concerned he is with rushing.
Wow, another "analog sounding" saturation plugin, great, maybe it sounds good, but what is special about it? It`s a "gamechanger", what did you pay him? :D :D :D
This is the worst case of being paid to rave about nothing new that I have ever heard. Get the demo, check the gain, and realise you already have several plugins that will do EXACTLY the same. Do these guys sleep at night?
This two guys sound so fake in their opinion … sure they don’t use this plug ins. Everything is a game changer for them , I wonder how much they make lying
![[BLACKSWAN] ‘Roll Up’ Official Music Video](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ulvCwyKrwqw/mqdefault.jpg)
Why can’t we get level matching on these videos? It’s insane. They play things that are too low in the mix and then enable them to the right volume. Joe and Greg should know this is no way to compare!
So many "big name" are doing this...
Im sure they know... but its still strong marketing trick. I agree, its sad haha.
Why are there still wars?
@@Camille-nf9bl well said
They're just trying to sell you the plugin. It's the old "louder is better" trick. Not falling for it. Waves shouldn't need to stoop down to this level. And they shouldn't make me pay for upgrades to make my old plugins, that I already paid for, continue to work. It's total BS!
it’s a gainchanger! 😅😂
I see what you did there. You switched the word 'game' to 'gain' 😂
you can call me "brainchanger" because, I messed you up big time, little bro! @leemendez7876
@@Y42 You got me my man 😆
maybe in 5 years Waves time will finally figure out how to do automatic gain compensation.
they should ask Kazrog
@@steffenherold754 Or they should ask analog obsession!
Whats that?
@@agesonjohanesburg2915 making sure the loudness of an effected signal matches the incoming signal. Fabfilter Q3 can do it with EQs, it's a little harder with compression. But iot should definitely be possible with saturation. I would imagine cranking the BB knobs should slightly decrease the output knob, because then you can dial in a sound without the "oh it's better the more I crank it" feel - which is just increased volume, that _always_ sounds better.
why should they, people fall for the 1.5 dB instant gain change when they turn in the plugin and think it sounds better.
Black Box HG-2MS will be like : "hold my transformer"
1982: Digital has flat, undistorted perfect sound 2022: Let's use all our digital processing power simulating tubes, tape, amps ect to get the grime back!
Good thing we at least have beautiful clear AD/DA conversion 😅
Yup. We started too grimey went to pristine and then found ourselves now in a nice hybrid area in the middle. Just like physics, life, and history. The answer is usually somewhere in the middle mate.
nuts when you're getting hiss out of your DAW lol do we need a dolby NR plugin lol
My wife says I don't need anymore plugins...I've got what is needed already
Straight up bro, you have what you need believe me. We were living all along with what we have already. Not saying that this one isn't worth it but lets not go mad or discourage over a piece of gear or software.
Listen to your wife
My wife eat cheeseburgers for breakfast, I'm not listening to her. I'm gettin this plugin
tell your wife it's $24
@@DaMixWizard hahaha
Ever since I picked this thing up a few months ago, everything I've been producing has been freaking amazing sounding. Ty waves, once again. This thing is a really aptly named plugin.
Greg Wells, man. Someone needs to upload a vid with snippets from EVERY product he said it was a GAME CHANGER. haha.
Bring out the platitudes like, "it sounds warmer, more analogue and give more analogue glue", etc :D
In this video it is clear that the dry vocals is far too low in the mix with the music. In any order for us potential buyers, to judge this plugin correctly, they must be exactly the same volume....
Maybe an auto gain feat....?!?? :D
I tried the demo version of BB Tubes today and I had to buy it! Amazing sound.
Really in your face sound on vocals, brilliant with multiband processing
Thanks Greg Wells for gain staging!! Unfortunately rare in plug-in demos.
Beauty sounds similar to Aphex aural exciter to me.
Nice to hear Bryce voice again . She sounds beautiful and well recorded.
so kind of you! this full song is out now if you haven't heard it as yet. thank you so much for still being here listening 💜
everything you turn the volume on is coming to life lol...Good plug in
I've always been lookng for "that" plugin that adds that final touch to a great track this is it right here.
Nice! Intuitive and straightforward to use too.
What's sad about this video is that this plugin is really good, but because they don't gain stage properly a lot of people will be cynical about it.
Do you have Greg wells mixcentric or voice centric? How does this compare
I've tried this side by side with UAD Limiting Amplifiers and it's really close. Though if you listen really close there is the difference. UAD has that Analog sound which is very surprising.
song joe mixing is so dope !!
Source material is beautiful
thank you :)
Why can’t they put an auto gain button on these plugs, so you can really hear what it’s doing instead of adding volume and tricking your ear.
I'm sure it's good, but no way I need another saturation plugin, even if its tubes! P.S. I'm curious how much they were paid to promote this?
dope plugin.
Awesome all round! Thanks one and all.
It's a very good saturator, for me one of the best actually. It tames also transients like hardwares in a specific mode of use... Finally.
I see lol, Beauty and the beast, lil easter egg
Let's fxxxing get ittttt😩
Sounds nice! Bryce Drew is such a great singer and it makes her voice pop! Also great to see finally oversampling option on waves!
thank you so much! ❤
The Plugin Doctor showed me, there is Compression inside, more on the Beast side! But i think its in a good way!
is it compression or is it just rounding the transients with 3rd order harmonics
@@PlottingTheDownfall ruclips.net/video/XBwM4wHMjDY/видео.html
I found a good analysis here! Harmonics and Compression at minute 6! It's a heavy compression in there!
Distortion is essentially compression, so I wouldn’t be surprised.
@@henrikpetersson3463 nhm i dont think so, i mean if a Sinus wave goes above zero, theres a cut. The Curve goes into Square Wave which produces overtones, because in the curve or in that file a corner is for that maybe micromoment a piece of a faster frequency. All that what Happens above Zero is not a compressed Version down below, its a mostly flat line on Zero until the Wave goes back on the other side of polarity. Otherway if i remember right, the compression in BB was with a knee and not with infinity Ratio what above zero wouldnt be compression but limiting. Hopefully it was understandable with my technical german-english. Some words maybe dont exist that way😅
If i am wrong tell me your truth!
Gotta love how guys will say anything when they get paid 🤣
It’s really good 😊👍🏻
Sounds great on the songs. (Songs sound awesome too !
My thoughts exactly! The source material was already pristine, having a gourmet sonic appeal to them!
Marketing meeting at Waves (and several other plugin sellers):
"We need a glowing testimonial endorsing our new product..."
"... Let's call in Greg!"
Walks to closet with puppets, pulls out Greg Wells, and boom: testimonial is done!
so you took the black box hg-2 changed the name and called it your own thing? nice
Autogain please!
you call a saturation Plug in a game changer ? 😂😂😂😂
Love it! I'm curios to know to the people commenting here do you actually write and record music or just talk trash on people who do
DROP YOUR LINKS BELOW
oh shut up. they're obviously peddling this thing.
@@saulgoodman7858 AND?
@@saulgoodman7858 It's a promotional video lol
Have you guys actually tried it before commenting ? The clipping effect of this plugin added to the excellent saturations sounds better than many hardware units. It really does. Try before you deny. I’ve tried to emulate that for years investing thousands of € and you can now do it within minutes for 24$. Just thank the engineers you bunch of ungrateful trolls! 😈
Thank you!! 95% of comments are from people who haven’t tried the plug-in…game changer if your’re mixing in the box
nope. demo’d it. properly gain staged it. heard the fizzy aliasing even with the oversampling engaged. was suspicious. ran null tests with plugin doctor, only to find it does aliasing artifacting and the oversampling functions DO NOT work. so what’s there to be grateful for? hype bs and two paid endorsers is all i am seeing.
@@THEESHITSHOW maybe it doesn’t work with your configuration 😟At least you’re talking about your own experience 👍. (No aliasing on my side and much more loudness with instant peak reduction).
Get the freebie version and use the saved cash towards something better
oh no, im gonna need to put this on everything
then welcome to the world of audible aliasing artifacts.
Greg have the exact same voice with Eyal Levi from URM academy
They both have that manly bass-baritone voice
Wow!
I saw some "debunking" of this plugin on various channels talking about how it can be replicated with free plugins and whatnot. Then later that day I heard a great quote from Jordan Valeriote of Hardcore Music Studio. He said it was the stupidest thing he's observed in a while, to judge a plugin based on what you see in plugin doctor. And he reminded me that all that matters is how it sounds. I'll just have to demo this plugin for myself and make a decision. Analog ITB is more real than ever, that much is for sure.
It’s not at all stupid to judge it by that. What it showed us, once again, is how fooled we get by increased gain and EQ changes. Especially when things are hidden behind a deceptive interface.
Of course it matters if it sounds good. But if the same thing can be easily done with tools you already have, then why buy it?
The only reason I can think of to buy a plug-in that is redundant in terms of sound would be if it enhances my workflow. But in this case I fail to see how it would.
Love that Bryce Drew is still working with Greg Wells, I really like what I've heard so far from her after watching Greg's PureMix videos, wonderful voice! :)
I'm gonna give the plugin a go, great tone and sweet saturation!
thank you so much!
@@BryceDrew you're super talented and can't wait to hear your new stuff!
@@slamcrank thank you! the song on this video "Still Recovering" is out now, as well as another new single called "Glow" 💜 Hope you have chance to listen xx
the plugin is very interesting if used wisely without fanaticism
Очень не плох плагин! 👍
Great saturation!
Will this work well with the ssl buss and channel strip all together
Where do you put this plugin in a vocal chain? Before the EQ and compression or after?
Level match please here too... how can this be missed😅😊
I like what this does. I'll probably get it.
We totalny don’t need it nor it’s not a gamechanger, but we love to hoard plugins so we’ll get it regardless😊
waves made a blackbox... interesting...
💯
I just checked Healing from the Blue Stones on Tidal - how come the version Joe is playing sounds better than the final master? This version is wider
Its a gain changer
Its a great demo - this is where everything is at plugin wise and companies are simply outdoing each other which is amazing. BUT - wouldn't the magic here have been to show GETTING MORE without adding anything or much to your mix bus? Get back the voltage, but add all this musical content / harmonics, but controlling the transients? A video on what is it doing would be really great too. I though bought it without watching or demoing because Waves keeps crushing it. Along with about 19 other companies. 🙂
... and/or is it adding a ton of energy/more you have to deal with in your mixbus after putting this into channels, groups, your mix bus?
Sounds wonderful. But if we already own 'The Black Box', 'Decapitator' and The 'Abbbey Road distortion?! Do we need this too?? I know I'm gonna buy it anyway ;) But the question still remains...
lMAO 🤣 I got all those plus Softube Harmonics and I still need this shit
Can’t go wrong with the waves year long sale anyways 😂
Gotta catch 'em all! 😂
We totalny don’t need it nor it’s not a gamechanger, but we love to hoard plugins so we’ll get it regardless😊
Sounds great , seems like plugins are catching up fast , if you want an analog sound use saturation ore harmonic distortion instead of eq ore after eq if u want to anchor the sound
IS A GAME..CHA........ITS PROPAGANDA!
but, its LOUDER! xD
Pls test this on a lead vocal! Ik they’re not gain matching but you gotta try this it’s not one of those/fake garbage saturaters out there.
It’s super solid.
sell out much Greg? Waves owns you and the Devil now owns your soul. Congrats 🎉
No oversampling ?
I was comparing it to the ST decapitator. And actually they are more different then I thought. In some ways, the decapitator was better in other ways to BB tubes was better. I do wish they would make the gain setting more similar for the video though. it’s a horse apiece. Well have to go eat lunch.
easy to do this on very well recorded sound... what's happen with home recording sound?
anyway it sound very nice
Auto gain would have been nice! Nevertheless, this is a great saturation simulator that uses eight times oversampling and sounds almost like real saturation. I would advise not to overuse this! Not everything has to be right in your face. On the other hand this sounds absolutely beautiful, if you use it in a careful and subtle way. I had it on a Cello recording yesterday and it helped a lot to bring out some nice detail.
But, Waves, why do you stick to these old fashioned skeuomorphic GUIs? It could be so much more useable and a little more insight would be even better that this BB thing already is.
Im Sold! whats the difference between this one and Lil tube??? Lil tube is a beast!
This is the bigger version, with bass lift, mix knob, and two different types of knobs. Demo it and see for yourself :)
This is Beauty and the Beast
Just get the SDRR2. It's cheaper than Waves """"""sale""""" price, sounds great and has no BS marketing, artificial pricing, scammy upgrade subscriptions or other questionable business practices
Is this Waves version of Decapitator?
Would this plug-in be helpful in a live sound situation?
oh of corse , imho preampdistortion is missin in a lot of life-shows.
i preffere another plugin tho. but yeah, this is ok too i think after first glance. would have to sleep over it for final judgement
عالیه ❤❤❤🎉
Both Chiccarelli and Well are really really inspiring mixers/people, but this! Why???
I wonder how much Waves paid them…
How is this vs Soundtoys Radiator
Give it a demo and see for yourself ;)
For me, Soundtoys Radiator comes out on top
just take my money
is it the same saturation on Omnischeps ?
yep I was wondering the same.
Hmmmmm…. Look like I’ll be adding this to my collection. I have every single plugin that waves has and I enjoy all of them. Some people always say they don’t need the entire collection. Well, I personally thank it’s better to have as much as possible because you will eventually need to use them for something down the line.✌🏽
Despite the naysayers, Waves are definitely forward-thinking and rather innovative, especially the past few years!
@@MeAndTheBoys_ I’ve never had to pay for an update
@@bloodpuke4146 wait for it - soon you will ! It is how it works, Every 1 or 2 year you pay 300. It just means you are new to music, and haven't had to pay yet. Still beginner, it will change soon, haha!
@@levondarratt787 I’ve had the same plugins for two years. Only paid once
Love the tone of this thing but it adds a ton of gain. Greg & Joe aren't compensating enough in the video. Also Black Box seems to squeeze a bit more gain out of a source but with less coloration and it doesn't sound quite as good on drums.
No plugins beats the CL series from artsacoustic compressor the hard punch will destroy your monitor
I have no idea what they're talking about. I'll give it a miss, and I'm sure I'll be ok.
I don't believe people who have a digital Behringer EQ in their rack behind them :D
(and obviously using it...its switched on)
Have you ever worked at Sunset Sound? It's awesome
and?
Its always a game changer but the effect is so subtil... its nothing to brag about..
You can do this with EQ or other tube plugins.
Nothing come close to a good tu e nic pre
how is this on the CPU?
Really good
@@ItzrealMusic thank you
@@RitaOwusuAgyeman did you get the free one ? I believe this one’s better though honestly
Well, it's good. But it didn't make me jump out of seat like these mixer guys did. What? No auto level matching in the plugin? C'mon!
It wasn’t the money that made them jump. It was the digits on their paycheck.
but the plugin is great 😊
Why do they always forget to add spoken word / dialogue / narration in these demonstrations?
vertigo vsm 3
I’m sorry but when I hear “game changer” all I can think is “probably overhyped.” I’m sorry but there’s no way it’s significantly better than alternatives such as Tone Projects’ Kelvin
I will be honest with you guys, i dont think that this plugins sounds pleasing an natural to me. Maybe its just me. I kinda liked the mix better without the plugin.
Saturn 2? Vs BB!
invite and pay them to talk only positive about it. duh
No level match? Passing
"you can't get it with an EQ... Not this fast anyway.."
The most Greg Wells thing ever said.
Crazy that his mixes sound anything close to nice considering how concerned he is with rushing.
Acustica Audio Fire the Clip ....Is Better.
Snake oil at the highest level..
Hell nah
first
Money Talks more Lol
I hate to knock bc I’m sure it’s all good peeps involved here. But all the lingo is a pretty cringy.
ableton stock saturator or gtfo 😂
Wow, another "analog sounding" saturation plugin, great, maybe it sounds good, but what is special about it? It`s a "gamechanger", what did you pay him? :D :D :D
Work flow
This is the worst case of being paid to rave about nothing new that I have ever heard. Get the demo, check the gain, and realise you already have several plugins that will do EXACTLY the same. Do these guys sleep at night?
Grifters 🤣
This two guys sound so fake in their opinion … sure they don’t use this plug ins. Everything is a game changer for them , I wonder how much they make lying
I would love this on the mix Bus!! Drums and everything. Im available for drum recording online. Hit me up!! 🥁🎵🎤🎧📻🪘💿🎸🎷🎛🎚🎶