Again Auron is so effective with (our) time, being so verbal, distinct and well prepared in order to utilize an interview with Gottfried as effectively as possible. So many key aspects of political history condensed into this hour. To Auron all the answers were probably obvious and expected, but to us, the audience, it's really a gift.
I think Gottfried underestimates how rabidly progressive was Marxism historically. By the end of WW1 half of Europe was on the brink of Communist revolution practically everywhere, not even Switzerland was safe. All of these would-be revolutions which were happening in Europe had *radically progressive manifestos* for their times calling for the full emancipation of women and minorities such as Jews. During the cold war, the Soviet Union was funding third world revolutions all over Africa and pushing the same anti-white propaganda that we know today. Hell some of today's woke mob literally recycle that exact same propaganda from those times.
yeah its a good point, this "decolonize" left movement is a continuation of rhodesia/south africa. The goals are the same, strip whites of power and hand it off to the ANC/Mugabe types.
He's quite studious to not implicate his fellow tribe in things. Because Bolshevism was equated with his people, he's happy to blame whites through whatever twisted logic he has to employ for the current degenerate revolution we are suffering under.
I'm just going to say it: Gotfried is wrong when he says the woke left isn't Marxist. Lindsay et al are right: wokism is evolved (cultural) Marxism, adapted to target western democracies.
It’s extremely refreshing hearing a man who has such a depth of historical understanding and can step over the small minded political frames of lesser men (aka James Lindsey) to accurately see the current situation.
The JQ has more to do with why a group is the leading instigators of every form of social degeneracy, mass immigration, and other societal instabilities. It has little to do with the 70-30 liberal voting habits.
It also have to do with how many of them claim pride in your nation is bad, while having dual citizenship, spitting on one nations culture, while taking pride in the other in the middle east. It show a double standard, and when they all seem to belong to the same culture. People ask why they get to behave this way.
Reminds me of Dr Samuel Johnson and James Boswell arguing about Rousseau and Voltaire. Boswell basically said that they meant well and should therefore be excused, but Dr Johnson replied, "you may shoot a man in the head, and claim you tried to miss, but the judge will hang you anyways."
@@stephencrawford2709 I don't think assigning blame to people who lived 300 years ago really matters. It's more just an observation. The reality is the ideology they pushed has led us here now, and it's time to look toward the future, to a - lol - post-liberal age.
@@stephencrawford2709 Learning from their mistakes doesn’t mean hating them. In fact, once could even argue that in their time period, their ideas made total sense. Liberalism seemed reasonable when Europe was united by Christianity and had deeply held commonly shared beliefs, and was under a rigid caste system. But as it progressed more and more toward its logical conclusions, these things eroded away.
I still like James Lindsey despite his argumentativeness. I don’t know if he understand exactly what his work points to. One can disagree that wokeness is Marxist, but you can’t really disagree with its academic Marxist lineage and the philosophical similarities - especially dialectical. But politically it does operate somewhat differently from Marxism because it has a different economic basis and a different base. But as Lindsey has pointed out that Marxism happened to choose economics as its pathogenic vector, it’s not strictly true that Marxism is an economic or political ideology. It’s more about trying to bring about utopia and in that way it should be considered spiritual and religious. The problem with Lindsey is that he should just become a Christian and deal with Marxism as type of heresy but he instead reignites Cold War anti-red paranoia.
Maybe it would work to go Christian against Marx., but that would also require everybody to somehow remove every reservation they have about taking the Christpill. I was stuck with the SBC when I was a child. The stuff that was supposed to happen never ever did. I wasted 6 years trying to unlock the door to that soc called Jesus knocking. It never worked a single day.
Thank you for not being afraid to ask the difficult questions. I thought for sure you were going to skip over a couple of them, but I'm glad you didn't because they're important and relevant too.
I find use in James Lindsay and Gottfried. I agree the way way this blob is appearing isn’t exactly Marxism (which if you listen to James he does address the shift) put Paul seems to think sneering at James wipes away that he demonstrated easily that the ideology is draped in Marxist language thought and self identification.
I think he's right about James being a form of woke light but it's been pretty well established that this current invasive ideology has Marxist ideas and exhalation throughout.
Exactly. I agree with much of Auron's criticism of James... James fails to understand the conservative constellation of ideas at a basic level, and he fails to understand that he is a man standing on a branch he has almost completely severed from the trunk. But James' understanding of the current woke left's relationship to Marxism is also more nuanced than Auron and Paul are giving him credit for. James does actually understand and explain the etiology of the current woke left's ideas quite well, and he struggles with the same lack of precise vocabulary for and taxonomy of woke ideology as Auron. It isn't Marxism, exactly. But it shares a lot with Marxism, and it grew out of Marxism. I really hope they can learn to not talk past each other at some point. What James is doing is not without value, even if it is very insufficient.
The thing about woke, is that all the woke people vote for Marxist parties. And that is not random. So, claiming woke is not Marxism, is not true, when the woke think everything is political, and they chose to vote communism.
These seem like essential insights, but I think they would benefit from somehow being amalgamated with the ones I heard from Dr. Stephen Baskerville on Benjamin Boyce's channel, when Benjamin asked him to define "The Left". He said that above all it was a "style" of politics, born in modernity, driven by grievance and driving toward utopia, with its first successful, broad-scale manifestation being the English Puritan revolution (followed by a long train of transmogrifications, including the Liberal revolutions, Anarchism, Marxism, etc., and culminating in the sexual politics of today). The way he describes it, what we call Leftism would seem to be animated by the same spirit behind all revolutionary heresies prior to the Modern Age, the difference being that the pre-modern ones had the Church to suppress them. Indeed, as someone who sympathizes more with the Catholic ethos than the Protestant in general, I think I detect a dichotomy along said lines running through this discussion. Most notably, Dr. Gottfried seems to trip over it when he says that the Catholic countries tended to be more anti-clerical, the Protestant ones less so. Isn't that obviously because the clergy in those Protestant countries had already been gelded? Thus there was no real intermediate, ecclesiastical power standing in the way of the revolutionaries, i.e., nothing to suppress the new heretics. In England, for instance, those Puritans were eventually made possible by Henry VIII having thrown off the restraint of Rome. By contrast, Spain, France, and Italy had to wait for their turn two to three centuries later.
Managerial class is an extension of the police force while simultaneously challenging its territory. It legitimizes itself through constant reevaluation with DEI etcetera. It is the most important part of the prerogative state and consolidates power through Woke ideology. It tends to form parallel structures around identity cults so its not universalist but more pragmatic and particularistic.
I don’t think Gottfried ever addressed Lindsay’s main point. He only quibbled about his definition of Marxism, insisting on using a definition that has little application in the era of globalism. Lindsay sees that Marx was not an economist. He was a cultist who saw economics as the key means of moving the West along the dialectical spiral toward the utopia his cult promises. Later Marxists recognized that it was not enough to divide societies into economic classes. Rather, synthesis needs to be achieved in all aspects of humanity - including race, sex, and gender. It’s all the same cult. It’s all using extensions of Marx’s principles. It deserves to be called Marxism because it was all done by Marxists wielding the same weapon against every facet of human life.
(33:15) "Progressive radical wolves in sheep garb that are given a pass because they are fighting mar_ism" > This process is happening with the people lukewarm himself Pres. Trump is inviting in like Tulsi Gabbard and especially Robert Kennedy (they should never be in the position to legislate outside their subject area). Or the many guests on Megyn Kelly's show. - They are all infiltrators who want to change Conservatives, not grow and mature their beliefs.
Or perhaps the Right is caught in Anti-Leftism and those who stand outside that find CL an acceptable category either temporarily or to establish anew or rightly for the first time or.... Anything can be taken over by an idiotic movement. Even the Right can be taken over by Leftism. That's where we are.
Books: "liberty, the god that failed" by Christopher Ferrara. "black legends and the light of the world" by Dr John C Rao. "Catholic Republic" by Timothy J Gordon.
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It's fascinating how nobody surrounding Paul G has ever gotten him a $20 microphone from BestBuy.
I think C Jay Engel has, but Paul refuses/doesn't know how to install it😂
@@lanc2776 I'll send a USB port and HQ mike for him by Christmas if someone gives me his digits.
If it was good enough for Smithsonians to record Appalachian folk singers in the 1930s...
A Logitech mic from 2000 would be great.
😂
Gottfried is too important to have such shit audio …
All phone calls used to sound like that for decades.
@@mrjamesgordonI feel like I’m listening to a call-in radio show in 1995.
@@Clevergirl-00Return to tradition
Ironically, some of Gottfried's older podcast interviews have better audio lol
I cant understand him at times. Bummer
The audio isn’t that bad! Worth it to listen to Dr. Gottfried.
Again Auron is so effective with (our) time, being so verbal, distinct and well prepared in order to utilize an interview with Gottfried as effectively as possible. So many key aspects of political history condensed into this hour. To Auron all the answers were probably obvious and expected, but to us, the audience, it's really a gift.
As long as you completely disregard the historical and political influence of the Jews!
Glad that Auron could interview Charlie Brown's father.
except not as intelligible.
Or teacher.
Can we start a GiveSendGo to get Paul Gottfried a microphone?
Why does Paul sound like he's talking through a paper towel tube?
Yeah I was hyped for this convo but then I heard Gottfrieds audio 😲
It’s actually a pair of cups connected with an Ethernet cable.
I think Gottfried underestimates how rabidly progressive was Marxism historically. By the end of WW1 half of Europe was on the brink of Communist revolution practically everywhere, not even Switzerland was safe. All of these would-be revolutions which were happening in Europe had *radically progressive manifestos* for their times calling for the full emancipation of women and minorities such as Jews. During the cold war, the Soviet Union was funding third world revolutions all over Africa and pushing the same anti-white propaganda that we know today. Hell some of today's woke mob literally recycle that exact same propaganda from those times.
Full emancipation of Jews was not a radical platform by the end of WWI.
yeah its a good point, this "decolonize" left movement is a continuation of rhodesia/south africa. The goals are the same, strip whites of power and hand it off to the ANC/Mugabe types.
He's quite studious to not implicate his fellow tribe in things. Because Bolshevism was equated with his people, he's happy to blame whites through whatever twisted logic he has to employ for the current degenerate revolution we are suffering under.
I'm just going to say it: Gotfried is wrong when he says the woke left isn't Marxist. Lindsay et al are right: wokism is evolved (cultural) Marxism, adapted to target western democracies.
Yeah, I agree. I think it's always been unhinged.
Yeah poor Paul did have a poor microphone, but for what people could hear, he said all brilliant things.
It’s extremely refreshing hearing a man who has such a depth of historical understanding and can step over the small minded political frames of lesser men (aka James Lindsey) to accurately see the current situation.
Ah yes, but the 'hearing' part...
@@Raycloud just listen harder.
The JQ has more to do with why a group is the leading instigators of every form of social degeneracy, mass immigration, and other societal instabilities. It has little to do with the 70-30 liberal voting habits.
It also have to do with how many of them claim pride in your nation is bad,
while having dual citizenship, spitting on one nations culture, while taking pride in the other in the middle east.
It show a double standard, and when they all seem to belong to the same culture.
People ask why they get to behave this way.
Another day another guest i can't hear
Sadly the guests audio is so poor and muffled that listening to this series of podcasts is near impossible and definitely a struggle.
Agree. I couldn’t make it 15 minutes into this one.. tragic as Gottfried is a top tier guest
Old guy with an even older mic.
Mic? I think it's inside of his laptop. Hiding in there with the white nationalists whose only complaint against Jews is that they vote Democrat.
Paul G wit da Xbox 360 mic
Pure sigma move
Dr. Gottfried's book Antifascism is very good too. It also helps explain what developed into today's Wokeness.
Honestly I’m with Nick Land on this one - Liberalism was always going to lead to where we are now. Those who unleashed it just didn’t know it yet.
Reminds me of Dr Samuel Johnson and James Boswell arguing about Rousseau and Voltaire. Boswell basically said that they meant well and should therefore be excused, but Dr Johnson replied, "you may shoot a man in the head, and claim you tried to miss, but the judge will hang you anyways."
@@stephencrawford2709 I don't think assigning blame to people who lived 300 years ago really matters. It's more just an observation. The reality is the ideology they pushed has led us here now, and it's time to look toward the future, to a - lol - post-liberal age.
@progskep then you'll repeat the mistakes of the past. Not sure why you want to do that...
@@stephencrawford2709 Learning from their mistakes doesn’t mean hating them. In fact, once could even argue that in their time period, their ideas made total sense.
Liberalism seemed reasonable when Europe was united by Christianity and had deeply held commonly shared beliefs, and was under a rigid caste system. But as it progressed more and more toward its logical conclusions, these things eroded away.
@@progskep No. It was always abad idea, as many of their contemporaries noted. It's fundamentally anti-tradition and anti-Christian.
Please send Paul a mic.
Excellent, thank you Paul.
I still like James Lindsey despite his argumentativeness. I don’t know if he understand exactly what his work points to. One can disagree that wokeness is Marxist, but you can’t really disagree with its academic Marxist lineage and the philosophical similarities - especially dialectical. But politically it does operate somewhat differently from Marxism because it has a different economic basis and a different base. But as Lindsey has pointed out that Marxism happened to choose economics as its pathogenic vector, it’s not strictly true that Marxism is an economic or political ideology. It’s more about trying to bring about utopia and in that way it should be considered spiritual and religious.
The problem with Lindsey is that he should just become a Christian and deal with Marxism as type of heresy but he instead reignites Cold War anti-red paranoia.
Maybe it would work to go Christian against Marx., but that would also require everybody to somehow remove every reservation they have about taking the Christpill.
I was stuck with the SBC when I was a child. The stuff that was supposed to happen never ever did. I wasted 6 years trying to unlock the door to that soc called Jesus knocking. It never worked a single day.
Maybe His grandkids can help him figure out his computer settings for him.
53:31 and it all falls apart. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!
Another masterclass from Paul G.. Audio Engineer.
Thank you for not being afraid to ask the difficult questions. I thought for sure you were going to skip over a couple of them, but I'm glad you didn't because they're important and relevant too.
And the answers were abysmal. Actual lying and deception. The "white nats" concern about the jews is that they vote Democrat? Really? REALLY?
I have not seen enough GOATfried lately.
Need Gilbert Gottfried
He’ll say pretty much anything on fiverr
If we all put in $0.10 for a microphone, Paul Gottfried would be audible.
What's in Paul's CD stack?
I find use in James Lindsay and Gottfried. I agree the way way this blob is appearing isn’t exactly Marxism (which if you listen to James he does address the shift) put Paul seems to think sneering at James wipes away that he demonstrated easily that the ideology is draped in Marxist language thought and self identification.
I think he's right about James being a form of woke light but it's been pretty well established that this current invasive ideology has Marxist ideas and exhalation throughout.
Exactly. I agree with much of Auron's criticism of James... James fails to understand the conservative constellation of ideas at a basic level, and he fails to understand that he is a man standing on a branch he has almost completely severed from the trunk. But James' understanding of the current woke left's relationship to Marxism is also more nuanced than Auron and Paul are giving him credit for. James does actually understand and explain the etiology of the current woke left's ideas quite well, and he struggles with the same lack of precise vocabulary for and taxonomy of woke ideology as Auron. It isn't Marxism, exactly. But it shares a lot with Marxism, and it grew out of Marxism. I really hope they can learn to not talk past each other at some point. What James is doing is not without value, even if it is very insufficient.
The thing about woke, is that all the woke people vote for Marxist parties.
And that is not random. So, claiming woke is not Marxism, is not true, when the woke think everything is political, and they chose to vote communism.
Someone send Gottfried a new microphone. Every video/podcast he does his audio is awful.
These seem like essential insights, but I think they would benefit from somehow being amalgamated with the ones I heard from Dr. Stephen Baskerville on Benjamin Boyce's channel, when Benjamin asked him to define "The Left". He said that above all it was a "style" of politics, born in modernity, driven by grievance and driving toward utopia, with its first successful, broad-scale manifestation being the English Puritan revolution (followed by a long train of transmogrifications, including the Liberal revolutions, Anarchism, Marxism, etc., and culminating in the sexual politics of today). The way he describes it, what we call Leftism would seem to be animated by the same spirit behind all revolutionary heresies prior to the Modern Age, the difference being that the pre-modern ones had the Church to suppress them. Indeed, as someone who sympathizes more with the Catholic ethos than the Protestant in general, I think I detect a dichotomy along said lines running through this discussion. Most notably, Dr. Gottfried seems to trip over it when he says that the Catholic countries tended to be more anti-clerical, the Protestant ones less so. Isn't that obviously because the clergy in those Protestant countries had already been gelded? Thus there was no real intermediate, ecclesiastical power standing in the way of the revolutionaries, i.e., nothing to suppress the new heretics. In England, for instance, those Puritans were eventually made possible by Henry VIII having thrown off the restraint of Rome. By contrast, Spain, France, and Italy had to wait for their turn two to three centuries later.
Paul's audio is always so bad, I can never listen to these unfortunately.
If he did not break up with Richard Spencer, he would have a Xennial to install him new mics and properly config his Windows OS.
Just missed it!
Managerial class is an extension of the police force while simultaneously challenging its territory. It legitimizes itself through constant reevaluation with DEI etcetera. It is the most important part of the prerogative state and consolidates power through Woke ideology. It tends to form parallel structures around identity cults so its not universalist but more pragmatic and particularistic.
Guest needs a much better mic than a tin can mic on his laptop
Mr gottfried is one of my faves!
Deceptive Jews are the best!
If the right is defined as the anti-left dominant groups it makes sense to put Kaitlyn Jenner in your column
Auron, would you purchase a nice microphone and send it to prof Gottfried?
I don’t think Gottfried ever addressed Lindsay’s main point. He only quibbled about his definition of Marxism, insisting on using a definition that has little application in the era of globalism. Lindsay sees that Marx was not an economist. He was a cultist who saw economics as the key means of moving the West along the dialectical spiral toward the utopia his cult promises. Later Marxists recognized that it was not enough to divide societies into economic classes. Rather, synthesis needs to be achieved in all aspects of humanity - including race, sex, and gender. It’s all the same cult. It’s all using extensions of Marx’s principles. It deserves to be called Marxism because it was all done by Marxists wielding the same weapon against every facet of human life.
(14:31) so Classical Liberal is another captured term to give Progressives some air of legitimacy as moderate
(33:15) "Progressive radical wolves in sheep garb that are given a pass because they are fighting mar_ism"
> This process is happening with the people lukewarm himself Pres. Trump is inviting in like Tulsi Gabbard and especially Robert Kennedy (they should never be in the position to legislate outside their subject area). Or the many guests on Megyn Kelly's show.
- They are all infiltrators who want to change Conservatives, not grow and mature their beliefs.
Or perhaps the Right is caught in Anti-Leftism and those who stand outside that find CL an acceptable category either temporarily or to establish anew or rightly for the first time or.... Anything can be taken over by an idiotic movement. Even the Right can be taken over by Leftism. That's where we are.
Y’all spoiled with these cheap new mics 🙄
The rainbow "freak off" party usurped the Democrat party...
🤨
Algo
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Just wanted to fix the date 25/09/24.
9/25/24 you absolute mongrel
That’s in non-hamburger units.
Paul has really lost his touch in his older years
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Christopher Ferrara's "john locke: un-lockeing america" right on youtube here goes in more detail.
Books:
"liberty, the god that failed" by Christopher Ferrara.
"black legends and the light of the world" by Dr John C Rao.
"Catholic Republic" by Timothy J Gordon.
Classic boomer mic