Continuous Cloth Roll Towel Machine - The best way to dry your hands! Why aren't these everywhere?

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  • Опубликовано: 8 ноя 2024

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  • @user443
    @user443 6 лет назад +108

    I had no idea those towels went from one roll to another. I thought it was a disgusting 4' towel loop. BTW: These vids are great with their level of detail. So random, yet informative. Love it!

    • @tomatexelon
      @tomatexelon 3 года назад +3

      I thought the same thing, But I thought it was like 50 feet and then it came back out again.

    • @robertdellafave3715
      @robertdellafave3715 Год назад +1

      Same!

  • @tristalucas1246
    @tristalucas1246 4 года назад +111

    I'm 33 years old and I had to search for this video to understand what this was after seeing a meme about them. My mind is blown!

    • @daskawicz
      @daskawicz 4 года назад +10

      Was the meme about how anyone who used one of these rolls in the 1980s is immune to everything?

    • @kennacomppp
      @kennacomppp 4 года назад

      Yes!! I’m 19 and in the same boat!

    • @kennacomppp
      @kennacomppp 4 года назад +2

      K. Daskawicz yes!

    • @esthiemma
      @esthiemma 4 года назад +1

      Same here!!

    • @janasali821
      @janasali821 4 года назад +1

      Haven’t seen one of those in 30 years !

  • @cj222100
    @cj222100 2 года назад +21

    I'm 40, so I'm just old enough that I do remember these in some public restrooms, but it was rare. I'd always assumed they weren't sanitary, because I didn't understand how they worked. I even saw a meme at the beginning of covid with one saying that if you used them growing up, you're probably immune to every disease ever lol

    • @heroinmom153
      @heroinmom153 5 месяцев назад

      Same, I'm 40 and all the really old restaurants from the 50's that were on their way out had them in their bathrooms when I was a kid.

  • @ce9821
    @ce9821 6 месяцев назад +4

    Very well done video. And interesting points you make about the lobbying. Born in the mid 80s never experienced seeing these growing up, based on everything you've presented, what an environmentally sound option to be switching over to these. Need to bring more awareness to people and companies.

  • @davidstjames_
    @davidstjames_ 5 лет назад +19

    I had an auto body shop several years ago and used these in all of the bathrooms, I loved them! I always had a few extra rolls sitting on a shelf ready to go. A local linen/uniform company would replace the rolls regularly and from what I remember, the price per roll was pretty low, much less expensive and easier that using paper towels. Keep up the great work with the videos Bob!

  • @nathankap1236
    @nathankap1236 3 года назад +3

    I'm 2 years old and I love this video. I remember way back when we used this. Love you bob

    • @Emiliapocalypse
      @Emiliapocalypse 2 года назад +4

      You have an excellent memory and typing skills for a two year old 😁

  • @Michael-hy7du
    @Michael-hy7du 3 года назад +8

    I working through some course material for my bachelor's in nursing and they placed a photo of a nurse using a cloth towel machine from the 1930s, showing how they became more sanitary. It was the first time I had ever seen that! So I came to RUclips to find out more. Great video. I love seeing your passion. Makes me hopeful we can make a change.

  • @kozmo7
    @kozmo7 4 года назад +8

    I found this completely randomly, but you know what I’m on board. It’s something I haven’t thought about and this guy is a natural. Subscribed.

  • @JohnThomasii
    @JohnThomasii 6 лет назад +11

    I'm 52 years old, I remember these well. Thanks for this. What would have been funny is if you played "Battle Hymn of the Republic" in the background of the anti paper rant, HAHAHAHA!! Really like these videos.

  • @cessna688
    @cessna688 4 года назад +11

    I came across one at a strange dive bar in Kansas City last night so I came looking on youtube. Havent seen one since the 90s

  • @robt4550
    @robt4550 3 года назад +3

    I remember these as a young kid at our neighborhood Gulf gas station. It was locally locally owned and operated by our neighbor. 1960s and 70s. Thanks for demonstrating it and sharing the link. Now I just have to convince the Mrs’ that we need one in the kitchen or bathroom.

  • @anaabendroth3460
    @anaabendroth3460 5 лет назад +8

    AMEN!!!!!! I miss this unit, and remember using it in elementary and junior high school. BRING THEM BACK!!!!!!!

  • @paigemarie7180
    @paigemarie7180 4 года назад +4

    wow ! memories lol. I worked for G&K Services in the 90's. I use to run the CRT machine, was a fun job. Drop the roll in the metal bin below, sew them end to end. Watch them shoot up into the machine, wash and awesome to see the towel rolls dry on the huge metal heated rolls. It would gather on the right side of the machine in a shoot, gather up like an accordion. Spin the towels in a perfect roll, apply the runner band & stack on a CRT cart. Wow I miss working there, was an awesome experience to work at a fast pace. Thank u for sharing the video. I didn't think it was disgusting then lol.

  • @tedblight
    @tedblight 6 лет назад +41

    I used to work for a company that delivered and exchanged the rolls, I could remove the dirty and replace with a clean roll in 6 seconds! Lol

  • @ScroatBagGarage
    @ScroatBagGarage 3 года назад +3

    Used to use these as a kid (53 now) at gas stations. Decided to get one for the shop for the nostalgia, ease and cost savings...plus it's a guy thing. Good how to video on the way they work. I also thought it was a loop that would come back around after maybe 20 feet.

  • @lindsayleisner3156
    @lindsayleisner3156 4 года назад +2

    Discovered your video after having a discussion with my husband about these. He thought the dirty towel was just rotated through. Thanks for helping me prove otherwise!!

  • @garrisonpt
    @garrisonpt 2 года назад +1

    Thank you so much for posting this! I am a Pro Organizer/Cleaner and just started a new podcast called Ya'll Dirty. lol. During our first episode, we talked about hand towels and my Sound Engineer, Eric, brought up this machine. We BOTH remembered them and BOTH thought they were gross, because we didn't know how they worked. Like most people, we thought the same towel just cycled through. We're going to mention your video on the next episode. :) Thanks again!

  • @dachandewuffsteiger
    @dachandewuffsteiger 5 лет назад +5

    I dunno why but I thought of these dispensers as they used to be around truckstops when I was a kid. And yeah i'm at beginning of mellenial so they didn't last long. They always felt super wet to me, but seeing the design i guess I was using the lower used part since I was like 5-10. I always assumed it was like a 4 ft towel that just had a wringer in the back to squeeze extra water out. Now I kind of want one for my house bathroom so guests don't have to use the same hand towels.

  • @sspdlg1x
    @sspdlg1x 8 месяцев назад

    Much obliged for taking the time to shoot this and explain how this works. I suspect many people (myself included) always assumed the towel was just in one big loop.

  • @GBW21806e
    @GBW21806e 5 лет назад +3

    My mother and father grew up on Kansas farms. For as long as I can remember there was one these next to a small sink in the kitchen for cleanup before you could get to the dinner table. We are in new construction with a slop sink in the laundry right off the garage. It took a while to find a description of these machines that did not divert to paper towels.

  • @mattwolf7698
    @mattwolf7698 3 года назад +5

    These should make a come back though they should also include a diagram of how they work on the front so people will realize it's not recycling the towel.

  • @andrewhenningsen831
    @andrewhenningsen831 4 месяца назад

    Bought dispencer and rolls of towels seperate had no idea how to thread. THANK YOU FOR SHOWING ME,

  • @n4pwx
    @n4pwx 6 лет назад +7

    Robert I just loved your video. I agree with you on the thing about the buying of paper. I wish we could go back to the old days and reuse some of the old tech stuff. We have lost so many good things we all used to use. I would like to see the price of gas fall back down to 35 cents a gallon. It would be nice to have a full tank. lol

  • @regnam503
    @regnam503 3 года назад +3

    Thanks for sharing the idea behind these! I'm a millenial and I was heavily confused by one of these machines in Paris Orly airport. Seems reasonable indeed.

  • @rickb2267
    @rickb2267 2 года назад +1

    I have often wondered about these, where they went, and why. They were great! I will look into this further and recommend to my manager.
    Thanks, Bob!

  • @StaryuManiac
    @StaryuManiac 4 года назад +1

    Came here to find out about this towel machine for the first time. Stayed for goat milk soap! Works a miracle on the skin! Thanks. I wish more places had these instead of those stupid dryers that use so much electricity and spray germs everywhere.

  • @Emiliapocalypse
    @Emiliapocalypse 2 года назад +4

    I used to use these all the time growing up when visiting my family in Finland. I think they’re used in Europe still. Always wondered why these didn’t catch on in the US, maybe we just like to throw stuff out? Thanks for explaining how it works, these randomly popped into my head today and it occurred to me I didn’t know how the gizmo worked on the inside, thanks for explaining something I’ve wondered about for a while haha :)

    • @simbared
      @simbared Год назад

      They were fairly common in the U.S. through the 1960s. Maybe air dryers were cheaper than paying a service to replace the towels regularly.

    • @leafandbranch
      @leafandbranch 10 месяцев назад

      Not used at all in Scandinavia anymore

  • @MrSoldierperson
    @MrSoldierperson 4 года назад +4

    I remember going to public bathrooms and using these. I remember they were white towels and they had brown stains on them even after I had pulled them a couple times. They either weren't washing them or not washing them good enough.

    • @Emiliapocalypse
      @Emiliapocalypse 2 года назад

      Or somebody in that bathroom was using it to wipe their bum 🤭

    • @mrrandom55951
      @mrrandom55951 2 года назад

      same. I remember one these back in 1999 and stared at it in disgust. I was telling the wife about it tonight and of course found this video ! I did think it looped around though.

  • @alec4672
    @alec4672 5 лет назад +4

    I'm in the same boat as you I'm an environmentalist but only as much that's reasonable. Where I work there's contractors bags full of paper towel tens of pounds of just used paper towel

  • @Dollar_Menu
    @Dollar_Menu 4 года назад +1

    Love how J searched for this video and you’re video was the first to pop up. It’s awesome that you do such a variety of videos on your channel. Thanks Bob🤘🏻

  • @kyguy05
    @kyguy05 5 лет назад +5

    I remember them well. Haven't seen any in use in years.

  • @Mr3wheeledbike
    @Mr3wheeledbike 3 года назад

    I have heard some Old-Timers talking about these things and see my broken one at work but always wondered how they operate it good video appreciate it.

  • @winklepicking3202
    @winklepicking3202 3 года назад +2

    34 year old here, I remember these as a child, I literally thought it was one loop that was reused…. These and tracing paper toilet roll in school, now that was rough haha

  • @dregernbern4518
    @dregernbern4518 5 лет назад +6

    I've been looking for something like this for home! We've been using loose linin/kitchen towels. They're great but can get annoying. Was hoping to find a continuous roll!

  • @JO-sg7wk
    @JO-sg7wk 2 года назад

    never seen one of these before and when i did on reddit thought it was just a gross 6ft loop. Thanks for bring this to my attention and wanting to do better for the planet 👍

  • @thatguyineverycommentssection
    @thatguyineverycommentssection 5 месяцев назад +1

    underrated restroom upgrade

  • @joelchong7336
    @joelchong7336 2 года назад

    i am a cheapskate when it comes to consumables (like paper towels) and i'm trying to save money for my office. can't find this anywhere in my country, even online shopping platforms. this is revolutionary for me

  • @aidanalariccross
    @aidanalariccross 3 года назад

    This brings back so many memories...

  • @edwinalbarracin9930
    @edwinalbarracin9930 4 года назад

    Thanx bob u saved the day!!!
    Im 36 and my older bosses couldn't figure it out.
    I do suggest get straight to the point and do the teaching instructions

  • @bmwlane8834
    @bmwlane8834 4 года назад +1

    Great vid. You are exactly right with your comments on disposable towels.

  • @alanmorris7669
    @alanmorris7669 2 года назад +13

    The reason you don't see these nasty cloth dispensers anymore is because custodians were lazy about changing the roll. When I was growing up, I hated cloth dispensers because the towel would always be at the end of its cycle. But people would still be using it, even though the towel was filthy. I remember people blowing their noses on them and squeezing pimple acne on them. Whenever there was a cloth dispenser in a bathroom, I'd dry my hands on my clothes.

    • @RobertMoseley
      @RobertMoseley  2 года назад +7

      When it gets to the end, it falls off the roll and then winds up, so there would be no towel there.
      You would have to pull it off the take up reel and re-wind it back to the original roller.
      So I find this story to be unlikely.

    • @CALEBGLEN21
      @CALEBGLEN21 Месяц назад

      ​@@RobertMoseley I think some don't retract the last bit because I've seen MANY people talking about it running out and it leaving the end of the towel out only

  • @only333
    @only333 Год назад +1

    It would have been good if the dispenser had transparent walls. It would make it easier to understand that the used section is not being re-dispensed. I always used to think these things contained one loop of cloth that was getting sanitized internally each time. Nice educative video.

  • @xoticones1965
    @xoticones1965 День назад

    This video helped me at my job

  • @kindalincreel9310
    @kindalincreel9310 4 года назад +1

    I looked this up, because I was reminiscing about these cloth towel machines. I love your detailed description about how these work, and I now understand why they aren't around any more. You say they are better for the environment. What about the long term maintenance? Laundry soap, (usually full of chemicals) water waste, and labor. There is a green house foot print there. It would cost an employer far less to pay an employee just to change a paper towel roll and its better for the environment in the long run. Also, if you are worried about co2 in the atmosphere, paper is a great source of carbon storage.

    • @Pinkapotomus
      @Pinkapotomus Год назад

      That’s true but as he said- cutting down a tree, gas and money to pay the worker and operate the machines, trucking it to a mill, processing it, packaging it, shipping it, collecting it as trash, filling up dumps….there’s always a bad side to everything. Trees take a long time to grow and washing a piece of cloth is much faster in my opinion. Don’t get me wrong- I like paper towels and napkins and I use them but this is a great alternative for heavy use bathrooms.

  • @BFaluup
    @BFaluup 3 года назад +1

    Nice...I always thought it was a small towel looped around that had some sort of sanitizer sprayed on it...I am an 80s baby but I have seen these before when I was a kid and there was a hotel near my house that had a cigarette vending machine in the 90s. Anyone remember those lemon wipes restaurants used to give you?

  • @robertschuhl2637
    @robertschuhl2637 3 года назад

    Textile rental companies such as ALSCO, Cintas, etc., will provide a cabinet for you to use as long as you use their laundry service for the towels. Generally, they leave a clean roll or two per cabinet based on your weekly usage. (The charge is per roll used)

  • @charliesheehan4577
    @charliesheehan4577 Год назад +1

    Last time I've seen one of these in the wild was about six years ago.

  • @mcearl8073
    @mcearl8073 5 лет назад +1

    I want one of those for my shop bathroom. I’m having a hard time with the 250 dollar plus investment though when it’s really just me and one employee. We don’t use paper towels anyway, just regular terry cloths but this is much cooler. I just need to wait for a cheaper option, maybe a vintage one or something.

    • @maryjordan2905
      @maryjordan2905 4 года назад

      I don't know what the prices are yet for brand new from this company, but they offer a refurbishment program for their product. Maybe that will help! www.darmanco.com/recraft

  • @davidperry4013
    @davidperry4013 3 года назад

    I never grew up with these continuous roll cloth towel dispensers because I’m a gen Z. I wish those make a comeback though. Eco friendly and no wiring required. High speed hand dryers that are gentle on the ears like the Dyson air blade V second generation are nice though.

    • @FinnishTomato
      @FinnishTomato 2 года назад

      Apparently air blades/jet stream dryers spray out the most germs. Quite horrifying if you look at the research.

  • @PJPEE
    @PJPEE 4 года назад +2

    Thought it was just a loop when I was a kid aha, always wondered why it was never wet

  • @herculesinwyoming
    @herculesinwyoming 5 лет назад +2

    I miss them machines

  • @TWIGTHtv
    @TWIGTHtv 11 месяцев назад

    Thank you for all this helpful information!

  • @JacobJonesy
    @JacobJonesy 3 года назад +1

    Nice SPACEBALLS: THE SOAP dispenser you have there lol

  • @marpuem6148
    @marpuem6148 Год назад

    Very informative. Thanks for this video. I look forward to learning more.

  • @RobShaffer
    @RobShaffer Год назад

    My gf and I were remembering using these when we were kids and didn’t how they worked so I found your video. Great information!
    One question, considering how much you wash your hands, how long does a roll usually last you?

  • @jonnychingas9550
    @jonnychingas9550 Год назад

    Thank you. You saved me a lot of time

  • @SurpriseFox
    @SurpriseFox Год назад

    I remember these at the local elementary. 20 years ago.

  • @ssnoc
    @ssnoc 4 года назад +3

    There isn’t a millennial alive capable of threading that machine - 🤔 For the record, we have incredible managed forestry today and trees have not been endangered for many decades, in fact there are more trees grown today than ever before in history - way more than needed for paper products.

  • @mayraortega2995
    @mayraortega2995 4 года назад +1

    Dude, you're a local badass lol Random vid, but extremely helpful. Thanks!

  • @piecebypiece5081
    @piecebypiece5081 2 года назад

    I bet they'll make a comeback!

  • @Gonzalez22222
    @Gonzalez22222 7 месяцев назад

    We had one of these at the gas station I worked at thirty years ago. I remember everyone thinking it eas such a big deal to change the roll, lol😂

  • @mcnewbiemamma4489
    @mcnewbiemamma4489 3 года назад

    Yeah I also googled after the meme... I was thinking it didn’t make sense as the part we pulled out was clean. Feel like I want to buy one now! 😂

    • @Illegiblescream
      @Illegiblescream 3 года назад

      Worth it if you have a business. Get a big graphic poster next to it explaining why it's good and how to use it, and you'll be good to go.

  • @dr.jellyfinger8132
    @dr.jellyfinger8132 2 года назад

    I'm 30 and vaguely remember seeing these 1 or 2 times as a kid, like most people I thought it was a loop of towel. Also, wasn't there a scene in along came polly with one of these?

  • @cassielharkonnen2497
    @cassielharkonnen2497 Год назад

    Had a few of these in various elementary and Junior highs. Ironic, I'm a millenial, just turns out my western Canadian school board seemed to love them lol.

  • @janinediamanti9560
    @janinediamanti9560 Год назад

    as a 31 millennial i only used this ONCE as a kid and remember it well thinking-why aren't we doing this everywhere?! now that you explained the lobbying it makes total sense why it died, which is so sad.

  • @patriickbmartin
    @patriickbmartin Год назад

    I’m a millennial (32) and I absolutely grew up on these they were everywhere in the 90s

  • @5oapbubblepopper
    @5oapbubblepopper 11 месяцев назад

    Thank you Colin Robinson

  • @nyotauhura7412
    @nyotauhura7412 3 года назад

    If you have a local company that washes hospital laundry or cloth diaper service, they may also wash those roller towels too.

  • @placeholdername0000
    @placeholdername0000 Год назад

    The simple solution to the "no more roll" issue. Have the machine detach the end of the roll and "eat" it. Thus you end up with a roll that is ready to be washed, without any roll being displayed. Thus people won't have to guess whether there is more available.

  • @davejenkins2660
    @davejenkins2660 10 месяцев назад

    Tapcons are great too

  • @Goodmorningworld81
    @Goodmorningworld81 5 месяцев назад

    Thank from your local friendly ALSCO representative

  • @HappyHands.
    @HappyHands. 2 года назад

    When i worked for Firestone we had one in the restroom . it was always absolutely filthy, nasty, greasy and damp no matter how far you rolled it. I suspect they were just flipping the rolls.

  • @jamesstoffberg1917
    @jamesstoffberg1917 Месяц назад

    I'm very curious about the sign on the mirror...
    "All employees must carve Slayer into forearm before returning to work" (and then the pentagram...)

  • @twincitiesmeteorologicalso7362
    @twincitiesmeteorologicalso7362 3 года назад

    Thanks for doing this video! A step in the right direction. :-)

  • @LionGoddess1
    @LionGoddess1 3 года назад

    I remember those! and I'm not really old :p from the 90's

  • @davejenkins2660
    @davejenkins2660 10 месяцев назад

    Only as clean and sanitary as the janitor hands or whoever else handled the rolls that went in and back into the dispenser 👍

  • @domeonce9006
    @domeonce9006 4 года назад +2

    Kinda need an automatic faucet or else you recontaminate your hands turning it off.

    • @zeruty
      @zeruty 3 года назад +1

      And how do you open the door without a paper towel? These encourage unsanitary habits just like hot air hand dryers do.

  • @FranktheRealtor-wx1yo
    @FranktheRealtor-wx1yo Месяц назад

    I always thought it was 1 towel that just rolled through. I know the little bar in our neighborhood The towel that was hanging there always looked filthy So I would have assumed they never changed it But who know who knows

  • @christibailey2005
    @christibailey2005 3 года назад

    Did you find a uniform company to exchange them for you? Have you tried to roll them back up and use it after you wash it?

  • @daskawicz
    @daskawicz 4 года назад +2

    "Ribbed for her pleasure!" Hahaha!

  • @johnnyklein3770
    @johnnyklein3770 2 года назад

    How do you wash this roll of towels. without hiring someone too do it.

  • @jay716_b5
    @jay716_b5 3 года назад

    Preach it dude!

  • @BobEngland
    @BobEngland 3 года назад

    These were great. No paper towels. You could just pull down a fresh part of the towel and dry your hands and they worked much better than paper towels.

  • @davidburcham7567
    @davidburcham7567 6 лет назад +1

    Just a random question video bob, could you sell just a flux capacitor box? It’s not on your store. I could really use a screen accurate box.

  • @TrojanELA
    @TrojanELA 4 года назад +3

    Who is supposed to pull it down? The person who just washed their hands or the next person? 🤔

    • @mjolnir1319
      @mjolnir1319 4 года назад

      You pull it down before you wash your hands so you have a clean towel when you get done.

    • @jakeh.8754
      @jakeh.8754 2 года назад

      @@mjolnir1319 you're a smart person. that's the way to do it if you find one of these in public.

  • @shipper-Z
    @shipper-Z 8 месяцев назад

    First, you still need the dispenser, which is much more complicated in this case compared to a paper towel dispenser. Secondly, you need a cotton cloth that is WAY thicker than a paper towel. The cotton industry uses far more chemicals etc than the paper industry. Thirdly, washing and drying the cotton cloth needs a lot of water, chemicals and energy.
    I'm pretty sure that paper towels are better for the environment, than cotton cloth. As it is with single use plastic bags vs multi use bags.

  • @MATTP545
    @MATTP545 29 дней назад

    You said and I am paraphrasing a bit " for the video we rolled this back up." If that is possible do you think workers who dont care at all in a public restroom are going to think twice about rolling a dirty roll back up and putting it back in? That is the problem with these...Great concept and if operated as intended it sounds great

  • @malubasic2267
    @malubasic2267 4 года назад

    Thank you so much Sir. 😁

  • @litochicago6058
    @litochicago6058 4 года назад

    Thank u posted I work a place that have 2 and the owner mostly does it buy the coronavirus going I had no idea to do because the owner never show me but this video did. Thank u

  • @Guitcad1
    @Guitcad1 Год назад

    You sound like you kind of 𝙖𝙧𝙚 an environmentalist.
    And I don't think that's a bad thing. 👍

  • @liamthomson219
    @liamthomson219 3 года назад

    Out of interest, how many individual hand dryings does each roll deliver?

  • @vargas4224
    @vargas4224 11 месяцев назад

    I guess this was a bit on the companies fault , like how kids may think there is actual people in a tv, people that dont know how this work will just let their imagination do the work... still i feel like the design could get improved. Like adding a lever so that the next person doesn't have to touch the dirty towel and having the dirt towel way more separated from the clean part as it will cultivate germs in it until it is properly cleaned and they could stick onto the clean parts by being that close, it could also drip water onto the mecanism and make it unclean

  • @websitesthatneedanem
    @websitesthatneedanem 4 года назад

    Brilliant!

  • @shakwon619
    @shakwon619 2 года назад

    The first time I saw this I was watching 12 Angry Men and was DISGUSTED. Then I just saw it again on Better Call Saul and was like screw this, I NEEEEED to know why anyone would use this dirty towel. Ha! Glad to know what's really going on!

  • @MarenOfTheSea
    @MarenOfTheSea 9 месяцев назад

    What's the sign and symbol on the mirror?

  • @MrMeasureTwice
    @MrMeasureTwice 5 лет назад

    Where do you get that goat milk soap orange/vanilla scented? Sounds AWESOME.

  • @basicsustainableagricultur9708
    @basicsustainableagricultur9708 4 года назад

    How much does it cost? How many people can we use for one roll?

  • @mr.peanutbutter6969
    @mr.peanutbutter6969 4 года назад +1

    A belt and suspenders?

  • @drunkendevil
    @drunkendevil 3 года назад

    TRUEING / BASED

  • @davidroberts7808
    @davidroberts7808 Год назад

    My guy never heard of a "Tapcon" fastener?" Way better than a shot in nail as that will eventually work itself loose.