I misread the part about being online. Thanks to all that pointed it out! You KNOW we're going to talk about this LIVE tomorrow on the Podcast ➡ruclips.net/user/livemfRO2-f4AS4
Facts, only reason I use IPTV is because cable providers in my area don't give me options as I don't want 900 channels of bs I'll never watch and I'm not paying hundreds of dollars per month for cable/internet
MAJOR former pirate here. I stopped a long time ago just because of cloud saves. Jumping between a laptop, desktop, and now a handheld, without workarounds to update saves was a godsend.
its the best place in my oppinion because you get bet of both worlds. you can play xbox games, playstation games and pc games dedicated to pc only. love it. great time to be a gamer. and achievements for people who love that too.
they are the best game distributing platforms, looking at the state of CS2 and TF2, Valve treats their games about as well as the rest of the AAA industry
@@roteperle7478Yes but that decision didnt come by Valve. It is up to the publisher to include denuvo and other stupid DRM strategies (3rd-party launchers). Valve has a "hands-off" approach to this because they view it the same way as Piracy. Eventually publishing companies are going to figure out that Denuvo does nothing but hurt the consumer. It may take some time but eventually, Denuvo will be no more. Anti-Piracy technology is on its last breaths.
@@beep1650 Sure, but it was terrible. You had to borrow another user’s entire library at once. So if the account owner wanted to play ANY game in their library the borrower would be kicked off. The end result being only 1 person could be playing any game from an account at once. So, yeah, it’s been around for a while, but was almost entirely useless for families that had members actively playing games at the same time. This new set-up is a massive change.
Get them emulators for the good pokemon games on the deck, basically gens 2, 3, 4 and 6. You can still find downloads for citra and ask the right people and you might even get a direct install citra for steam deck.
I just want to say I love how you start getting into it as soon as the video starts without any introductions or preamble. No "hey what's up guys" or "hey it's your boy ". People know who you are and why you're here and you don't waste anyone's time (and if they don't know you just say it at the very end, good strategy). Bravo! And great video as always!
@@ImUrZaddy You ever discipline a kid? You disciplined them because they did something wrong. Right? Every kid makes a mistake, and while yes it's up to the parents to address these mistakes and teach their children to be better, that mistake still happened.
probably not happening, Valve is all in on the steam deck and they can't support the steam decks steamOS and a desktop one in the same exact build of the OS, they would need 2 separate builds which would mean 2 builds to manage, the current steamOS just has way to many steam deck specific things in it that will break on PC
@@Henry-sv3wvthats fair but most gamers dont want to worry about bug fixing and just want to game. my last test run of EndeavourOS which was just weeks ago wasnt good. screen tearing on amd was bad and had to ad dri_prime=1 command to every game to get it to use gpu rather than onboard graphics. SteamdeckOS is the console form of pc, set it and forget it, or as close to it as we can get.
@@Moskeeto ahaha its a small world 😊 dont know exactly why but i remeber you, probably because of the mod 🙂 nice to see you again, if you received a friend request on steam, its mine!
I immediately opted into this, and am very excited. We are even looking at getting my fiance her own steamdeck now. We were debating before, but in reality we couldn't both play at once, so she stuck with her switch. 10/10 valve, should have been a feature a long time ago.
@@BrotherO4 not really, before it was more like library borrowing before, only 1 person could play the library at a time and the original owner got priority so they could kick you off the game
I like the way you say that only one family member can play a specific game at a time "makes perfect sense", when on consoles you CAN gameshare the same game to be played simultaneously by two people - which has been the case like forever and at least to me provides much more value. Still cool with improvements in the right direction.
So this is awesome, as a person with a pretty big library (over 3000 games) family sharing sounded really cool but in practice it was basically useless for me and the people I tried to use it with, since I use a fair amount of steam software for my work (me am the ootuber) it meant that basically no one could play any of my games. The one HUGE disappointment to this is, and honestly what I assumed they were trying to fix is, that I STILL cant be working, think, OO lets play five minutes of x game on my steam deck without having to set the deck to offline cause it still wants to kick me out, and worst is when I resume a game on the deck if I started in online, it DOES kick me out of my work apps and often I have to fully sign back into steam, which is a massive hassle, and this is included with non steam games which is actually insane. Come on valve just let me use two different pieces of software I own that's on my official steam hardware, I don't believe for a second that that is anything but a ridiculous over sight, especially now everyone else in my family will be able to play my games, while I'm working... but I cant take a break without making my life more difficult then it needs to be.
I effing love my steam deck. Just beat Gunbrella, 5 out 5, now halfway thru Gato robato and just started cookie cutter. All great 👍 cheap and long battery life. This comment for the algorithm
I could always get my steam games to work on my brother's computer, but could never get his games to show up in my steam library. I hope this makes that process easier.
i used to share my library with my father when i was about to play a game, i was first checking to see if my father was playing a game from my library, and if he was, i would go offline and play whatever. this way he was still playing, and i was playing as well.
Yes, the steam deck makes people buy more games.....it worked on me. I've bought more games in the time I've had the steam deck, then I ever did on just PC.....good move Steam, good move.
if it didn't do that it would have seen price increases the only way Valve can justify its price point is by making money on the games people buy for their deck, if we assume Valve is at best breaking even on the deck that means to make the 30% profit markup most companies shoot for a 64GB deck owner would need to buy enough games to make Valve $105, which considering that Valve takes 30% per game sale means that person would need to spend about $300 worth of games, which most people wont but a handful of people will buy A LOT more then $300 worth of games to make up for those who don't
Great news. My family members and me bought my niece a steam deck last xmas because I could share my library with her, though there has been some issues where she was locked out 😅
I think it's fair because they don't want to lose the sale from regional pricing. I also don't think this will be a huge problem for most people. Sucks for those it does effect though.
Yeah, it does suck for me since I have family abroad with whom I share my library. I wouldn't even mind if I had to jump through extra hoops to be able to share the games with them too.
Thanks for the sharing the update, although Steam page says "Who can be in a Steam Family? While we know that families come in many shapes and sizes, Steam Families is intended for a household of up to 6 close family members." So when it says add 5 family members its an additional 5 to the creator i guess for a total of 6
I'm very excited about this! I've been wanting to share my library with my wife, as I'm trying to slowly ease her into PC gaming, but the restriction of not being able to access my library without kicking her off was a no go.
Two questions. Number one, do you need to be on the same network to share and access games? I have multiple separate computer networks in my home. It's necessary because my house built in such a way that one signal will not permeate the entire building. Number two, the activation with the old system was specific to a piece of hardware. My wife's desktop computer for example. I could set it so that that specific computer with her signed in could use a particular game. But not her laptop. Heck, not even that same computer after a Windows Factory reinstall. Will the new system still be Hardware locked? Or will it just be attached to a steam account? Like can she borrow my games on both her desktop computer, and her steam deck without me having to manually approve both pieces of hardware?
Based on what I read from the FAQ and answers from users. There's no limitations in terms of how to use each other's games... you don't have to live together nor be on the same network. The only limitation seems that you have to be living in the same country, seems there's a country region lock for this family system... don't know if this is based on IP or just your Steam account country of origin region of account creation or if you were to change the living region post-creation of an account. Might be a problem if someone moves abroad while being in a family if they change their accounts region...
It was Friday, during work my coworker asked me to lend him my steam deck to try it, because he was considering buying one. I gave it to him on saturday and went to play apex legends on my laptop. After an hour he decided to try it and he disconnected me from my account by playing witcher on the deck. Had to let him play for the weekened.. That's great news!
Finally. Took them long enough. I’m guessing the Steamdeck finally pushed them to do this. It’s almost worth getting a Steamdeck now. But I will still wait for the next generation. I don’t feel like the current generation is powerful enough.
While it is possible that a family has more than 6 members - I think it is unlikely that each one of them will have their own computer. The limit should do just fine in 99% cases in my opinion. I'm just happy it is finally usable.
I think 5 family member sharing is reasonable. Also what you said make sense that maybe they have a big family. Valve should impliment if you're gonna add more than 5, the 6 - 10 member up. The host should pay additional payment. Because Valve is already generous giving us the Family Sharing.
I think I'm going to be the only detractor that says they're actually narrowing the usefulness of the current feature, and adding a bunch of arbitrary limitations in exchange for *ONE* good thing. The ability to play two games from the same library was always a bit annoying, so glad to see that's improved, but in every other way this is worse. Previously 5 different people could have shared an account, and they each could have access to 5 totally separate other accounts with other people, and they could add and subtract those at will. Now it will need to be the same 5 people, and if you leave a family you're locked out of the feature for a year. Probably for most people's use cases it will be fine. I'm sad to see it change personally.
Valve feels like the one of very few modern businesses that is that use no foul practices... They just constantly try to improve their product and new users will naturally come to their service. Their bubble is growing organically due to having a proper consumer oriented focus based on "value" to the consumer, as well as publishers. Compare that to Epic which tries to create an artificial bubble by hindering publishers from publishing elsewhere (exclusivities and timed exclusivities) or just have lower margins. their biggest fault is that none of their strategies actually add value to the user experience... Just think about how very little has happened with their client since they opened up shop. No wonder people don't have confidence purchasing games there.
I think the worst part is that even playing free-to-play games locks you out of playing other games on different devices at the same time. To me that is just insane. There should be no limitations when playing games that you don't require any digital rights to play.
This feature has one HUGE disadvantage - it forces you to use your phone number as ID to enter steam. I hate those managers who think it's a good idea. I'd lost my steam account couple of times during last years binding my phone number.
As someone who used the family sharing feature for years, I can say that pretty much nothing changes, other than the fact that the whole library does not get locked out if a member or an owner plays a game. I assume that the owner will be able to play any game, no matter what and the member - only what's currently available "on the shelf", which makes sense.
It became much easier to set up. You no longer have to authorize PCs, and when adding new member to the group, their licenses add to the one family license pool. Previously each person had to add every other memeber separately and authorize all their PCs. Probably not a big deal if you share with one person, but if you share with 5 it becomes very annoying
This is great cuz my dad and I used to have issues with this all the time, after he passed away in 2022 I began using the family share feature with my wife’s kids so they could have access to my 2,200 steam games I own. Hopefully I can pass this account on to them when it’s my turn next. Now just have to hope that steam cloud saves are enabled for a game you want because some game devs don’t enable it like the Darkwood devs didn’t for YEARS. They did finally recently.
Great idea. My son and I have hundreds of games on one account and it’s annoying when he’s on steam that I have to go offline, this will be a great move.
Men this are fantastic news. I liked Steam Family Sharing and I used with my room gal, but the real drag was wanting to play anything on Steam while the other was using it. This comes close to a real life scenario when sharing games.
Also another thing this enables is if you (a single person) wants to play 2 games at once, like one on the PC and one on the Steam Deck (lets say one is a clicker so less interactions needed), I didn't like the fact thst you couldn't fire up 2 games on the same account, even if from different devices. Well now just make yourself another account for those types of games, add to family - share and you're golden.
It’s great awareness created for this type of enhancement, but for this kind of video I would really like to have seen somebody that first read the entire FAQ, and second did some testing on their own to validate.
Actually, save games and all that stuff already were separated for users of family sharing. There isn't really anything new at that part. Otherwise, I would - selfishly - never enabled family sharing in the first place. Other than that... great video. And... great news. Not only Valve got rid of "locking" the library if someone plays any game of an account, also adding the option with having multiple licenses of a game inside the "family pool of games" enables multiple people of that family to play that game, even if they don't own it themselves, is actually huge.
In the US 5% of adults have more than 4 children. These are not family sizes though, split families muddy the waters. On top, how many of those have a pc EACH, and how many of those have two parents interested in playing? Or playing separately from the kids? Or where all the kids are even interested in playing? On their *own* pc at the same time as everyone else? Yeah you could always enable more people to play but like you said they have to limit it somehow, and honestly this seems fairly generous to me. Not many families (if any) will realistically be hampered much by this, and compared to the options on consoles, this is still much much better for those increasingly theoretical families.
Yeah no kidding. I don't even know anyone with more than 2 siblings or 2-3 kids, and many gaming friends I have their wife doesn't really game much if at all so the need to have more than 6 (1+5) is kind of a crazy standard to ask for and I thought that was a really odd thing for him to complain about since statistically more than 6 in a gaming family is extremely rare.
5 seems very reasonable. Firstly, AVG family size prob ain't much larger, and even if the family is larger I think it's pretty rare that all five are gamers.
I'd say the wrinkle is the ban policy. I understand why they did it, but I can't help but think that there has to be a better solution to combat cheaters than to have both the family member and owner from the game. The reason why I think this is a wrinkle is because no matter how good of a parent you are, kids make mistakes. I'd hate to have one family member lose access to their own game because some other family member decided to try something they heard their friend did in a game that happened to go against their TOS.
it make sense in business sense, imagine if family sharing could give all members options to play one library at the same time, people would use this opportunities to sell account for cheap in e-commerce lol
I just want, as myself, to be able to put around semi afk in an mmo chatting or something while playing a game on my steam deck without it throwing a fit that I can only play ONE game at a time that i bought with my own money
Thanks for this info. I, for one, am happy about this change even with 6 limits.. and also the 1 year restriction and cheating. Think that's very fair. I've been hoping and waiting for an update to this policy for so long... It was a bit ridiculous that in the past, only 1 game from the library can be played at one time.. as mentioned. Love the sharing 2 copies across the family.. and this makes it more closely resembled a console like buying a disc and sharing it.
This is awesome... Family sharing was behind console in some significant ways and this seems like it will let them catch up. Console is still ahead in some ways... You can play the same game with two with only one purchase and I don't think publishers can opt out... But console is only limited to two people. Making it 6 people is a great win. I just hope not too many publishers are going to opt out. If the largest publishers all decide they don't want to participate then this could fall on its face.
This could potential prevent piracy (nothing wrong with piracy since we don't "own" our games anyway) as people will choose the quickest and easiest path to accessing a game (or other content)
I am surprised it isn’t IP locked and it does seem like everyone in the family can be adults, which could have been ways to exploit this system to be used by non families. A simple solution to the Steam points would just be a setting instead of only one or the other is the option. I can see it is all the games that previously allowed for family sharing will automatically be added to this new system and not just every game. I do hate it as a user to have automatic opt-in so I wouldn’t like the same for game developers even if it could benefit me by getting family share enabled for their game. I do find it interesting there is also a 1 year cooldown for the family itself and not just the account leaving the family. Maybe Steam support could help with issues if this wasn’t well planned in advanced to avoid the 1 year cooldown.
You still can't run two instances of two different games on two different PCs under the same account... been wanting that for years. I want to be able to play Tekken 8 Ranked/Lobbies online & have a live service game like Bleach Brave Souls online running at the same time and switch back and forth, especially with the Legion Go and Main Gaming PC... I can't multitask my games still... unless they're both running on the same PC which isn't convenient if one of the games is too intense to have two games running on the same PC + you gotta mute the one you're not playing otherwise audio gets annoyingly mixed. Only way to do this... which has been a thing is to set one of the devices Offline while the other is in Online mode, to avoid the getting kicked prompt from your other game... unfortunately... that defeats the purpose for games that you want to play that need some kind of online connectivity. I hope one day they address this issue... one day.
I wish they'd just give us full on library sharing between a handful of ppl. All these ridiculous rules and restrictions is like they're trying to balance out a freakin' game I want offline hour count and achievements alrdy.. IDK if they got it yet, but if they don't, then I'm not gonna play my Steam games on my Steam Deck OLED when I'm not in my house. I want achievements and hour count and other things offline smdh
Being able to play a different game while your family member plays a game would be great on it's own but there's a lot of small additions that make this even better. Valve might eventually make questionable decisions but there's no denying that they tend to be the good guys when it comes to gaming companies.
Glad they're finally addressing this, one step closer. Still don't like that publishers can just nope out and it's usually the big games that do and not aware of that being an option on console. Hopefully the setup and stuff becomes more streamlined too instead of having to log in and out of accounts and add my account directly to devices I never personally use but my kid does.
its hard to have this be an option and not allow companies to opt out, Valve doesn't have as much control as Sony and Microsoft do, it Valve were to force this on all companies, they would leave steam, they have that option many point to EA returning to steam, but that only happened because Valve bended to their will, EA left because at the time Valve was against adding the EA play subscription service to steam, EA only came back because Valve changed their minds, either EA was able to strong arm them into doing so, or they did on their own, but still EA would not have come back if Valve didn't bend to their demands like that these companies will leave again if Valve makes to many changes they disagree with
I can imagine this is gonna lead to people with a lot of games selling family slots for money. Hopefully it doesn’t get abused to the point they need to limit the feature :/ Also Costume Quest is sick and 100% kid friendly, would recommend it. One of Double Fines better games to be honest!
Steam's family sharing has been a next to worthless feature because of their overly strict DRM around sharing. Ironically Sony has been the most generous around sharing bought games. It sounds like this new Steam update will finally make sharing games actually viable now.
Makes it easier for me, my kid wants to game on PC and enjoys many of the games I have on Steam ( Now I don't have to buy them for console 😁 ). Been looking at the handhelds lately and I can't really decide between the Steamdeck ( LCD cause it's on the cheaper side, or OLED cause he actually takes care of his consoles ) or the Ally which also seems pretty good, I'm not really interested in the Legion Go or Sadly, the New MSI Claw. Any recommendations ?.
I have had the steam deck for about six months. LCD is perfectly fine for the price. Buy the lowest memory size and add a microsd and a new ssd. It's great. Not perfect and you can't play everything. Do your research and see what games you or your kid will be playing and go from there.
Imagine having to buy two copies of Smash Bros 64 back in the day just to play with your brother. This isn't quite the future of gaming I was hoping for.
This is a disaster. I have a lot of brothers scattered around the country and they have their brothers as well. Now I have no problem with it, but after these changes it will end up that none of us will be in any family and most of them will just download the pirated version
For Me, I Rather My Bought Steam Points NOT Go To The Ones I Buy And Gift To.. Simply Put.. When I Buy Games And Share Them Out To My Neices And Nephew, They Don't Know Or Even Care Too Much For Steam Points.. But I Do.. So, In Retrospect.. The Best Way To Solve That, Is To Either Split The Points Evenly Between The Gift Items That Are Bought On Ur Account To The Others Or Give 2x The Equal Points Split To Both Sides, Equally. Just My Two Cents.
Out of all the podcasts I listen to, I find your lighting the most beautiful :) The dark background with RGB and you in a warm dim light looks really great. Some creators should take a lesson from you.
I'm assuming you can still remote play together just like you do now with family members. Aka just having a single game copy that supports this feature
I think you may have misunderstood how bans work. If you're VAC-banned in a game you don't lose access to the game, you just can't play on VAC-secured servers in that game, from what I understand. Although obviously if the game is multiplayer-only and also only uses VAC-secured servers, I suppose that would be effectively the same as being completely banned from playing the game. I think you also can't share that game with family members anymore. You wouldn't be able to "re-buy" the game to get around the ban. Unless you meant making a new account and buying the game again on that. Banning you from accessing a game you purchased altogether would be crazy, right? At least I hope I'm understanding all of that correctly.
Well, for all the hate I have for console, I at least could play my games together with my sister or they could play together, as you could have at least two consoles with the same game installed. I'm loving Steam, but playing with a friend on Steam doesn't seem to work well, I tried to play STO with my sister, (two separate PCs) and it was a headache
FINALLY!!! When they fist introduced family sharing it operated like phisically sharing the game. It was approximately a year later that they borked it. Ive been so frusterated with it aince then. A "family" should be 6 at the very least...
I’ve played costume quest it’s an rpg where you play as a group of kids trying to take down an evil dentist taking up all the candy in the neighborhood and you get different Halloween costumes that act as roles it does take place around Halloween time of course it’s very kid friendly but a fun couple of games to play for adults as well if you like the style of game it is
I love this, I love everything about this! Thank you steam, I loved the shared Library but now I find myself gaming a bit more the sharing feature is kinda meh. But this this is going to be huge!
what sucks is you cant play games online together at the same time. ps and xbox lets you do it. they should let you do ot on steam as well..at minumum with 1 other person
With regards to your comment "Valve tipping over the dominoes it set up" : I only have 1 other family member who is a PC gamer. 2 other family members are PS5 gamers. I suspect that many families are similar and this SteamFamily stuff is going to cause non-pc-gamers to get on steam, get computers , and enjoy a free 200 game library that is dropped in their laps. Valve is going to drink Sony's, Microsoft's, and Nintendo's milkshake.
I misread the part about being online. Thanks to all that pointed it out! You KNOW we're going to talk about this LIVE tomorrow on the Podcast ➡ruclips.net/user/livemfRO2-f4AS4
your editor never included a video at the end so you appear to be pointing at nothing.
FYI, I think you misread the online requirement. "You can play games from the Family library offline as long as that game supports Family Sharing".
@ArthurPhilipDentWasHere I’m the editor. I do everything myself. I wish I had an ediotr
@@NerdNest Ediotr sounds like a game dev for Witcher 3
God, I hope they update steam family. I'm tired of my rog kicking my main pc.
This is how to combat piracy. Good customer service, options, and value.
as the man has said
"Piracy is a service problem"
I LOVE piracy.
Facts, only reason I use IPTV is because cable providers in my area don't give me options as I don't want 900 channels of bs I'll never watch and I'm not paying hundreds of dollars per month for cable/internet
MAJOR former pirate here. I stopped a long time ago just because of cloud saves. Jumping between a laptop, desktop, and now a handheld, without workarounds to update saves was a godsend.
100%
Valve really is just one of the best gaming companies around
its the best place in my oppinion because you get bet of both worlds. you can play xbox games, playstation games and pc games dedicated to pc only. love it. great time to be a gamer. and achievements for people who love that too.
@@garethsmith6611don’t forget having gamepass even if you don’t have an xbox
they are the best game distributing platforms, looking at the state of CS2 and TF2, Valve treats their games about as well as the rest of the AAA industry
@@flamingscar5263 the only issue i have with valve is, that you can‘t own your games.
@@roteperle7478Yes but that decision didnt come by Valve. It is up to the publisher to include denuvo and other stupid DRM strategies (3rd-party launchers). Valve has a "hands-off" approach to this because they view it the same way as Piracy. Eventually publishing companies are going to figure out that Denuvo does nothing but hurt the consumer. It may take some time but eventually, Denuvo will be no more. Anti-Piracy technology is on its last breaths.
man this is huge. my Wife and I can finally share steam games.
family share has always been a thing
@@beep1650 Yeah but play at the same time is new and allowing people to actually use it
Prob don’t let her have access to your VR library…
Family sharing already works on steam deck you cant "finally" u can already the whole time xd
@@beep1650 Sure, but it was terrible. You had to borrow another user’s entire library at once. So if the account owner wanted to play ANY game in their library the borrower would be kicked off. The end result being only 1 person could be playing any game from an account at once. So, yeah, it’s been around for a while, but was almost entirely useless for families that had members actively playing games at the same time. This new set-up is a massive change.
This is a huge deal for me as a parent. Now my kids are going to get pc handhelds instead of Switches going forward!
Get them emulators for the good pokemon games on the deck, basically gens 2, 3, 4 and 6. You can still find downloads for citra and ask the right people and you might even get a direct install citra for steam deck.
We are alreddy on it. Buying one steam deck every years. When the last kid get one, it will probobly be time for steam deck 2
"Hey dad can I see your phone real quick?" *quickly approves steam cart*
Huge news. I can share my library with my sisters steam deck now. 600 games out of 650 are available
I have a steam deck and family sharing works for me like day one ago do u even have try before xD
@PassivPsychosen you couldnt play games at the same time
@@PassivPsychosen do you not understand the concept to this video? Dude literally explained the changes.
@@PassivPsychosen Looks like someone didn't even watch the video
Steam is the future of gaming.
Steam is the present of gaming already!
Exactly, Steam or bust for me. If it goes to Epic, I may pirate if the game is any good. GOG gets classic buys.
@@GtheMVP 🤓
Still no drm free,
😂😂😂
I just want to say I love how you start getting into it as soon as the video starts without any introductions or preamble. No "hey what's up guys" or "hey it's your boy ". People know who you are and why you're here and you don't waste anyone's time (and if they don't know you just say it at the very end, good strategy). Bravo!
And great video as always!
I shared COD Modern Warfare 3 with son and he decided to cheat. We both got a VAC ban. It’s been on my Steam account for 3582 days! It still bugs me 😂
I know the feeling when my nephew used my account. 😂 Now that he is an adult I still hold it against him lol
😂😂
Why did you raise a cheater?
@@ImUrZaddyfact
@@ImUrZaddy You ever discipline a kid? You disciplined them because they did something wrong. Right? Every kid makes a mistake, and while yes it's up to the parents to address these mistakes and teach their children to be better, that mistake still happened.
we need a stable and optimized release of steamos for desktops.
I agree 100 %
True, I tried installing ChimeraOS and it completely failed. Haven't tried Bazzite or Winesapp tho.
probably not happening, Valve is all in on the steam deck and they can't support the steam decks steamOS and a desktop one in the same exact build of the OS, they would need 2 separate builds which would mean 2 builds to manage, the current steamOS just has way to many steam deck specific things in it that will break on PC
I use EndeavourOS and would not install a steamOS PC version cause i don't want an immutable system that forces me to use flatpak for app installs.
@@Henry-sv3wvthats fair but most gamers dont want to worry about bug fixing and just want to game. my last test run of EndeavourOS which was just weeks ago wasnt good. screen tearing on amd was bad and had to ad dri_prime=1 command to every game to get it to use gpu rather than onboard graphics. SteamdeckOS is the console form of pc, set it and forget it, or as close to it as we can get.
Tim Sweeney tried to spin this pro-consumer change as being motivated by competition from EGS. The man is absolutely delusional.
what competition ?
EGS hasn't changed like 1 bit in like years
@@flamingscar5263 facts, steam has so many features, EGS has like 5 lol
Turn off your internet after launching the game.
It will allow you to play the same game on several systems.
Valve executives HATE this one simple trick ☝️
@NerdNest Did you misread the answer at 13:35? It says you can still play shared games when offline.
Sorry, but are you the same Moskeeto who used to play Red Orchestra 2? 🤨
@@Sherkov_ Yeah, that's me lol. I was also on the Heroes of the West mod team.
Yeah says you can play offline, he misread it
Yep. I totally misread that. I’ll talk about it on tomorrow’s podcast.
@@Moskeeto ahaha its a small world 😊 dont know exactly why but i remeber you, probably because of the mod 🙂 nice to see you again, if you received a friend request on steam, its mine!
Another cool feature. Steam is my favourite platform
It will always be number 1 platform
@2:45 Its 1+5, 6 people total including the person who created the family. So the scenario of 2 parents 4 kids in one Family is actually possible.
That's pretty great, most people shouldn't need more in one household.
the average size family is 3.13 people so 5 is not a bad number
feel bad for that .13 person.
I have full custody of my 4 kids and with 2 steam decks and 3 gaming laptops…I like that this family feature is getting more fleshed out.
@@TheL1arL1arWhy you lying? Lol
Agree 5 is a fair number
@@_n8thagr8_63yeah that dude is probably just a foot with googly eyes
I immediately opted into this, and am very excited. We are even looking at getting my fiance her own steamdeck now. We were debating before, but in reality we couldn't both play at once, so she stuck with her switch.
10/10 valve, should have been a feature a long time ago.
it had this feature but now it got upgraded.
@@BrotherO4 yes and no, while it had the family sharing, I would argue this is very different, in a good way!
@@BrotherO4this, although it was painful before because it restricted access to the entire library. Only one person could use it at a time.
@@BrotherO4 not really, before it was more like library borrowing before, only 1 person could play the library at a time and the original owner got priority so they could kick you off the game
@@flamingscar5263 as i said, It had this feature but now its UPGRADED.
I like the way you say that only one family member can play a specific game at a time "makes perfect sense", when on consoles you CAN gameshare the same game to be played simultaneously by two people - which has been the case like forever and at least to me provides much more value. Still cool with improvements in the right direction.
So this is awesome, as a person with a pretty big library (over 3000 games) family sharing sounded really cool but in practice it was basically useless for me and the people I tried to use it with, since I use a fair amount of steam software for my work (me am the ootuber) it meant that basically no one could play any of my games.
The one HUGE disappointment to this is, and honestly what I assumed they were trying to fix is, that I STILL cant be working, think, OO lets play five minutes of x game on my steam deck without having to set the deck to offline cause it still wants to kick me out, and worst is when I resume a game on the deck if I started in online, it DOES kick me out of my work apps and often I have to fully sign back into steam, which is a massive hassle, and this is included with non steam games which is actually insane.
Come on valve just let me use two different pieces of software I own that's on my official steam hardware, I don't believe for a second that that is anything but a ridiculous over sight, especially now everyone else in my family will be able to play my games, while I'm working... but I cant take a break without making my life more difficult then it needs to be.
Still just waiting to be able to update/download while in sleep mode
I effing love my steam deck. Just beat Gunbrella, 5 out 5, now halfway thru Gato robato and just started cookie cutter. All great 👍 cheap and long battery life. This comment for the algorithm
I could always get my steam games to work on my brother's computer, but could never get his games to show up in my steam library. I hope this makes that process easier.
i used to share my library with my father when i was about to play a game, i was first checking to see if my father was playing a game from my library, and if he was, i would go offline and play whatever.
this way he was still playing, and i was playing as well.
Yes, the steam deck makes people buy more games.....it worked on me. I've bought more games in the time I've had the steam deck, then I ever did on just PC.....good move Steam, good move.
Same here.
It definitely made me move away from GOG, which I used to use pretty heavily.
if it didn't do that it would have seen price increases
the only way Valve can justify its price point is by making money on the games people buy for their deck, if we assume Valve is at best breaking even on the deck that means to make the 30% profit markup most companies shoot for a 64GB deck owner would need to buy enough games to make Valve $105, which considering that Valve takes 30% per game sale means that person would need to spend about $300 worth of games, which most people wont but a handful of people will buy A LOT more then $300 worth of games to make up for those who don't
@flamingscar5263 for sure.
Great news. My family members and me bought my niece a steam deck last xmas because I could share my library with her, though there has been some issues where she was locked out 😅
Only downside with that updated family sharing is that it's now limited to having the family needing to be within the same country for it to work.
makes sense, some games are really cheap on different countries
I think it's fair because they don't want to lose the sale from regional pricing. I also don't think this will be a huge problem for most people.
Sucks for those it does effect though.
Yeah, it does suck for me since I have family abroad with whom I share my library. I wouldn't even mind if I had to jump through extra hoops to be able to share the games with them too.
Ok, that sucks. My daughter is studying abroad.
@@hgh1727If you can pay for that you can pay double for the games 2 😂
I really hope they update the Steam deck UI for family view in addition to this, because the current pin entry system sucks on deck
Thanks for the sharing the update, although Steam page says "Who can be in a Steam Family?
While we know that families come in many shapes and sizes, Steam Families is intended for a household of up to 6 close family members." So when it says add 5 family members its an additional 5 to the creator i guess for a total of 6
I'm very excited about this! I've been wanting to share my library with my wife, as I'm trying to slowly ease her into PC gaming, but the restriction of not being able to access my library without kicking her off was a no go.
Two questions.
Number one, do you need to be on the same network to share and access games? I have multiple separate computer networks in my home. It's necessary because my house built in such a way that one signal will not permeate the entire building.
Number two, the activation with the old system was specific to a piece of hardware. My wife's desktop computer for example. I could set it so that that specific computer with her signed in could use a particular game. But not her laptop. Heck, not even that same computer after a Windows Factory reinstall. Will the new system still be Hardware locked? Or will it just be attached to a steam account? Like can she borrow my games on both her desktop computer, and her steam deck without me having to manually approve both pieces of hardware?
Based on what I read from the FAQ and answers from users. There's no limitations in terms of how to use each other's games... you don't have to live together nor be on the same network. The only limitation seems that you have to be living in the same country, seems there's a country region lock for this family system... don't know if this is based on IP or just your Steam account country of origin region of account creation or if you were to change the living region post-creation of an account. Might be a problem if someone moves abroad while being in a family if they change their accounts region...
It was Friday, during work my coworker asked me to lend him my steam deck to try it, because he was considering buying one. I gave it to him on saturday and went to play apex legends on my laptop. After an hour he decided to try it and he disconnected me from my account by playing witcher on the deck. Had to let him play for the weekened.. That's great news!
Finally. Took them long enough. I’m guessing the Steamdeck finally pushed them to do this. It’s almost worth getting a Steamdeck now. But I will still wait for the next generation. I don’t feel like the current generation is powerful enough.
While it is possible that a family has more than 6 members - I think it is unlikely that each one of them will have their own computer. The limit should do just fine in 99% cases in my opinion. I'm just happy it is finally usable.
I think 5 family member sharing is reasonable. Also what you said make sense that maybe they have a big family. Valve should impliment if you're gonna add more than 5, the 6 - 10 member up. The host should pay additional payment. Because Valve is already generous giving us the Family Sharing.
I think I'm going to be the only detractor that says they're actually narrowing the usefulness of the current feature, and adding a bunch of arbitrary limitations in exchange for *ONE* good thing. The ability to play two games from the same library was always a bit annoying, so glad to see that's improved, but in every other way this is worse.
Previously 5 different people could have shared an account, and they each could have access to 5 totally separate other accounts with other people, and they could add and subtract those at will.
Now it will need to be the same 5 people, and if you leave a family you're locked out of the feature for a year.
Probably for most people's use cases it will be fine. I'm sad to see it change personally.
Valve feels like the one of very few modern businesses that is that use no foul practices... They just constantly try to improve their product and new users will naturally come to their service. Their bubble is growing organically due to having a proper consumer oriented focus based on "value" to the consumer, as well as publishers. Compare that to Epic which tries to create an artificial bubble by hindering publishers from publishing elsewhere (exclusivities and timed exclusivities) or just have lower margins. their biggest fault is that none of their strategies actually add value to the user experience... Just think about how very little has happened with their client since they opened up shop. No wonder people don't have confidence purchasing games there.
Crazy feature, and I think it should have more hype.
I think the worst part is that even playing free-to-play games locks you out of playing other games on different devices at the same time. To me that is just insane. There should be no limitations when playing games that you don't require any digital rights to play.
This feature has one HUGE disadvantage - it forces you to use your phone number as ID to enter steam. I hate those managers who think it's a good idea. I'd lost my steam account couple of times during last years binding my phone number.
I don't think 5 people per user account is low but just right. Especially for sharing games unless you plan to share it to your extended family...
As someone who used the family sharing feature for years, I can say that pretty much nothing changes, other than the fact that the whole library does not get locked out if a member or an owner plays a game. I assume that the owner will be able to play any game, no matter what and the member - only what's currently available "on the shelf", which makes sense.
It became much easier to set up. You no longer have to authorize PCs, and when adding new member to the group, their licenses add to the one family license pool.
Previously each person had to add every other memeber separately and authorize all their PCs. Probably not a big deal if you share with one person, but if you share with 5 it becomes very annoying
This is great cuz my dad and I used to have issues with this all the time, after he passed away in 2022 I began using the family share feature with my wife’s kids so they could have access to my 2,200 steam games I own. Hopefully I can pass this account on to them when it’s my turn next.
Now just have to hope that steam cloud saves are enabled for a game you want because some game devs don’t enable it like the Darkwood devs didn’t for YEARS. They did finally recently.
Great idea. My son and I have hundreds of games on one account and it’s annoying when he’s on steam that I have to go offline, this will be a great move.
Men this are fantastic news. I liked Steam Family Sharing and I used with my room gal, but the real drag was wanting to play anything on Steam while the other was using it. This comes close to a real life scenario when sharing games.
I think 5 is more than enough average size of a family 3 to 4 people so it does what is advertised.
Also another thing this enables is if you (a single person) wants to play 2 games at once, like one on the PC and one on the Steam Deck (lets say one is a clicker so less interactions needed), I didn't like the fact thst you couldn't fire up 2 games on the same account, even if from different devices. Well now just make yourself another account for those types of games, add to family - share and you're golden.
It’s great awareness created for this type of enhancement, but for this kind of video I would really like to have seen somebody that first read the entire FAQ, and second did some testing on their own to validate.
Actually, save games and all that stuff already were separated for users of family sharing. There isn't really anything new at that part. Otherwise, I would - selfishly - never enabled family sharing in the first place. Other than that... great video. And... great news. Not only Valve got rid of "locking" the library if someone plays any game of an account, also adding the option with having multiple licenses of a game inside the "family pool of games" enables multiple people of that family to play that game, even if they don't own it themselves, is actually huge.
I thought the same
In the US 5% of adults have more than 4 children.
These are not family sizes though, split families muddy the waters.
On top, how many of those have a pc EACH, and how many of those have two parents interested in playing? Or playing separately from the kids? Or where all the kids are even interested in playing? On their *own* pc at the same time as everyone else?
Yeah you could always enable more people to play but like you said they have to limit it somehow, and honestly this seems fairly generous to me. Not many families (if any) will realistically be hampered much by this, and compared to the options on consoles, this is still much much better for those increasingly theoretical families.
Yeah no kidding.
I don't even know anyone with more than 2 siblings or 2-3 kids, and many gaming friends I have their wife doesn't really game much if at all so the need to have more than 6 (1+5) is kind of a crazy standard to ask for and I thought that was a really odd thing for him to complain about since statistically more than 6 in a gaming family is extremely rare.
5 seems very reasonable.
Firstly, AVG family size prob ain't much larger, and even if the family is larger I think it's pretty rare that all five are gamers.
I'd say the wrinkle is the ban policy. I understand why they did it, but I can't help but think that there has to be a better solution to combat cheaters than to have both the family member and owner from the game.
The reason why I think this is a wrinkle is because no matter how good of a parent you are, kids make mistakes. I'd hate to have one family member lose access to their own game because some other family member decided to try something they heard their friend did in a game that happened to go against their TOS.
it make sense in business sense, imagine if family sharing could give all members options to play one library at the same time, people would use this opportunities to sell account for cheap in e-commerce lol
Awesome video! Super excited to get my steam deck Oled real soon! 😊
When my son want to play a game in my steam. I use the steam deck. Turn off the WiFi. and it let me play anyway. only works with offline games.
I just want, as myself, to be able to put around semi afk in an mmo chatting or something while playing a game on my steam deck without it throwing a fit that I can only play ONE game at a time that i bought with my own money
Thanks for this info. I, for one, am happy about this change even with 6 limits.. and also the 1 year restriction and cheating. Think that's very fair.
I've been hoping and waiting for an update to this policy for so long... It was a bit ridiculous that in the past, only 1 game from the library can be played at one time.. as mentioned.
Love the sharing 2 copies across the family.. and this makes it more closely resembled a console like buying a disc and sharing it.
Multiple User Menu at the Begin of the Steam Deck would be nice like on PSP,Switch and any other Console
This is awesome... Family sharing was behind console in some significant ways and this seems like it will let them catch up.
Console is still ahead in some ways... You can play the same game with two with only one purchase and I don't think publishers can opt out... But console is only limited to two people. Making it 6 people is a great win.
I just hope not too many publishers are going to opt out. If the largest publishers all decide they don't want to participate then this could fall on its face.
This could potential prevent piracy (nothing wrong with piracy since we don't "own" our games anyway) as people will choose the quickest and easiest path to accessing a game (or other content)
I am surprised it isn’t IP locked and it does seem like everyone in the family can be adults, which could have been ways to exploit this system to be used by non families.
A simple solution to the Steam points would just be a setting instead of only one or the other is the option.
I can see it is all the games that previously allowed for family sharing will automatically be added to this new system and not just every game.
I do hate it as a user to have automatic opt-in so I wouldn’t like the same for game developers even if it could benefit me by getting family share enabled for their game.
I do find it interesting there is also a 1 year cooldown for the family itself and not just the account leaving the family.
Maybe Steam support could help with issues if this wasn’t well planned in advanced to avoid the 1 year cooldown.
One mistake in video: shared games do not need to be have online access.
You still can't run two instances of two different games on two different PCs under the same account... been wanting that for years. I want to be able to play Tekken 8 Ranked/Lobbies online & have a live service game like Bleach Brave Souls online running at the same time and switch back and forth, especially with the Legion Go and Main Gaming PC... I can't multitask my games still... unless they're both running on the same PC which isn't convenient if one of the games is too intense to have two games running on the same PC + you gotta mute the one you're not playing otherwise audio gets annoyingly mixed.
Only way to do this... which has been a thing is to set one of the devices Offline while the other is in Online mode, to avoid the getting kicked prompt from your other game... unfortunately... that defeats the purpose for games that you want to play that need some kind of online connectivity.
I hope one day they address this issue... one day.
I wish they'd just give us full on library sharing between a handful of ppl. All these ridiculous rules and restrictions is like they're trying to balance out a freakin' game
I want offline hour count and achievements alrdy.. IDK if they got it yet, but if they don't, then I'm not gonna play my Steam games on my Steam Deck OLED when I'm not in my house. I want achievements and hour count and other things offline smdh
The reason I buy most of my games on xbox is because of game share so this is a great option especially due to pc games generally costing less.
i think 5 people is just right, i respect everything that valve is doing, great products and amazing services.
But you can still not touch your Steamdeck if you play on the PC with the same account. Only that makes me think going for another handheld
Being able to play a different game while your family member plays a game would be great on it's own but there's a lot of small additions that make this even better.
Valve might eventually make questionable decisions but there's no denying that they tend to be the good guys when it comes to gaming companies.
Glad they're finally addressing this, one step closer. Still don't like that publishers can just nope out and it's usually the big games that do and not aware of that being an option on console. Hopefully the setup and stuff becomes more streamlined too instead of having to log in and out of accounts and add my account directly to devices I never personally use but my kid does.
its hard to have this be an option and not allow companies to opt out, Valve doesn't have as much control as Sony and Microsoft do, it Valve were to force this on all companies, they would leave steam, they have that option
many point to EA returning to steam, but that only happened because Valve bended to their will, EA left because at the time Valve was against adding the EA play subscription service to steam, EA only came back because Valve changed their minds, either EA was able to strong arm them into doing so, or they did on their own, but still EA would not have come back if Valve didn't bend to their demands like that
these companies will leave again if Valve makes to many changes they disagree with
I can imagine this is gonna lead to people with a lot of games selling family slots for money.
Hopefully it doesn’t get abused to the point they need to limit the feature :/
Also Costume Quest is sick and 100% kid friendly, would recommend it.
One of Double Fines better games to be honest!
Steam's family sharing has been a next to worthless feature because of their overly strict DRM around sharing. Ironically Sony has been the most generous around sharing bought games. It sounds like this new Steam update will finally make sharing games actually viable now.
Sounds very similar in functionality to Microsoft/Xbox Family, which has been around for years. Glad to see it finally come to Steam.
I think family of 5 is perfect. It's not like Hulu or Paramount Plus who limit to 3 simultaneous feeds.
Awesome, this fixes a big part of what made family sharing kind of a dud service. Actually going to use this now.
Makes it easier for me, my kid wants to game on PC and enjoys many of the games I have on Steam ( Now I don't have to buy them for console 😁 ). Been looking at the handhelds lately and I can't really decide between the Steamdeck ( LCD cause it's on the cheaper side, or OLED cause he actually takes care of his consoles ) or the Ally which also seems pretty good, I'm not really interested in the Legion Go or Sadly, the New MSI Claw. Any recommendations ?.
I have had the steam deck for about six months. LCD is perfectly fine for the price. Buy the lowest memory size and add a microsd and a new ssd. It's great. Not perfect and you can't play everything. Do your research and see what games you or your kid will be playing and go from there.
Imagine having to buy two copies of Smash Bros 64 back in the day just to play with your brother. This isn't quite the future of gaming I was hoping for.
This argument is a paper tiger. Couch games only need one copy.
This is a disaster. I have a lot of brothers scattered around the country and they have their brothers as well. Now I have no problem with it, but after these changes it will end up that none of us will be in any family and most of them will just download the pirated version
For Me, I Rather My Bought Steam Points NOT Go To The Ones I Buy And Gift To.. Simply Put.. When I Buy Games And Share Them Out To My Neices And Nephew, They Don't Know Or Even Care Too Much For Steam Points.. But I Do.. So, In Retrospect.. The Best Way To Solve That, Is To Either Split The Points Evenly Between The Gift Items That Are Bought On Ur Account To The Others Or Give 2x The Equal Points Split To Both Sides, Equally. Just My Two Cents.
Out of all the podcasts I listen to, I find your lighting the most beautiful :) The dark background with RGB and you in a warm dim light looks really great. Some creators should take a lesson from you.
Console game sharing is still better for me being able to play at the same time. Only having to buy multiplayer games once
For some odd reason when I go to beta my system just isn’t working so I can use family. I think decky loader is the issue.
You could always gift the steam points to your kids account if they don’t receive them since you purchased
I'm assuming you can still remote play together just like you do now with family members. Aka just having a single game copy that supports this feature
I think you may have misunderstood how bans work. If you're VAC-banned in a game you don't lose access to the game, you just can't play on VAC-secured servers in that game, from what I understand. Although obviously if the game is multiplayer-only and also only uses VAC-secured servers, I suppose that would be effectively the same as being completely banned from playing the game. I think you also can't share that game with family members anymore. You wouldn't be able to "re-buy" the game to get around the ban. Unless you meant making a new account and buying the game again on that.
Banning you from accessing a game you purchased altogether would be crazy, right? At least I hope I'm understanding all of that correctly.
Valve is going hard after Nintendo. Now multiple steam decks at one family is easy to imagine.
We need a Battery and Power Mode with seperate GAME SETTINGS
Love your channel. Personally, what I really want is dual boot with Windows.
That you need the internet is a bummer if my wife want's to play games on the train. :(
agreed, that is a major bummer for deck owners in a steam family. i get why they did it but still a bummer.
They should bring back cd/DVD PCs
Well, for all the hate I have for console, I at least could play my games together with my sister or they could play together, as you could have at least two consoles with the same game installed.
I'm loving Steam, but playing with a friend on Steam doesn't seem to work well, I tried to play STO with my sister, (two separate PCs) and it was a headache
I hope one day soon I can have friends to share games with. 🎮
That's a killer move. Love it.
Oh my god, I see Phantasy Star Online in the background!!!! cannot avoid to get excited when I see it anywhere :D
FINALLY!!!
When they fist introduced family sharing it operated like phisically sharing the game. It was approximately a year later that they borked it. Ive been so frusterated with it aince then.
A "family" should be 6 at the very least...
I’ve played costume quest it’s an rpg where you play as a group of kids trying to take down an evil dentist taking up all the candy in the neighborhood and you get different Halloween costumes that act as roles it does take place around Halloween time of course it’s very kid friendly but a fun couple of games to play for adults as well if you like the style of game it is
I love this, I love everything about this!
Thank you steam, I loved the shared Library but now I find myself gaming a bit more the sharing feature is kinda meh. But this this is going to be huge!
what sucks is you cant play games online together at the same time. ps and xbox lets you do it. they should let you do ot on steam as well..at minumum with 1 other person
With regards to your comment "Valve tipping over the dominoes it set up" : I only have 1 other family member who is a PC gamer. 2 other family members are PS5 gamers. I suspect that many families are similar and this SteamFamily stuff is going to cause non-pc-gamers to get on steam, get computers , and enjoy a free 200 game library that is dropped in their laps. Valve is going to drink Sony's, Microsoft's, and Nintendo's milkshake.
This is such a great move.
At this time you shure already know, but you missread the online part. You do NOT have to be online :). So it's even better than you thought!