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I dropped a superb cape buff with my 9.3x62. One shot, no fuss: bullet penetrated from right shoulder through the vitals to the rear left rib!! It's a superb, accurate, calibre for large game to (IMO) 250yds. Everyone I met in SA said the 9.3x62 is great for buff. IMO it is also superior to the 375HH as a "client" DG calibre because it has far less recoil - and is just as accurate - with comparable straight line penetration, as the 375HH. 👍
In Europe we have SAX KJG all copper bullets, wich transform the old and slow 9,3 into a bona fide 400 yard cartridge for all non dangerous game.
This is going to be my next cartridge.
I'm American so I'll stick with my 35 Whelen. Hawk bullets makes .358 diameter bullets up to 300gr. You can get them in different jacket thickness, witch allows you to get a bullet best suited to what your going to use it for. Woodleigh makes .358 bullets in 275 and 310 grs, they are recovering from the fire and still working on getting everything back up and running.
" He was staring at us ... as if we owed him money." 🤠 Excellent quote. Love it. Thank you for this one. Very good info.
I can appreciate your historical and practical presentation in regard to classic cartridges. My wife has taken plenty of bear with her 8mm mauser. There is something to be said for having that special confidence in a particular rifle.
New is nice, old is proven! Gotta love the old rounds !
Your statement is exactly why I never understood the hype around the 6.5 CM, the 6.5x55 Swede has been doing everything the CM can do for over 125 years. If handloaded and used in a strong bolt action rifle it will best the performance of the CM as it has a slightly larger powder capacity, but has been down loaded in the US because of some of the old military rifles, but the Europeans have always loaded it to original spec, Norma makes loads that are more spicy than anything available in the US. The Swede should be much more popular as it is a great low recoiling hunting cartridge with very good terminal performance with correct bullet selection.
I would like you to talk about 8x68s and 9 3x64 Brenneke thank you Ron 👍
bravo,bravo for idea
Might as well add a 9.3x66(370 sako) to that list.
8x68s is an amazing calibre friend of mine who uses it shoots like a dream and it's very close to the performance of the 300 win mag with less recoil and if you hand load for sure you will match and some special load you will pass the 300 win mag
Yes I reseller and rehabbed my 458 wingman to a 9.3X 64. 😊. It shoots Mosley 250 grains at 2800 and 286 partitions at 2600 and 320 woodleighs at 2435. Taken kudu sable zebra wildebeest and Cape buffalo
@@mohammadmehdi8711 An improved 8x 68S is even more impressive.
9.3x62 is very popular here in South Africa. It can take down most anything you'd be brave enough to get close to.
Is SA still a country? Last I heard it was falling apart due to corruption and they were seizing lands from whites. Hope you all got that sorted. Be nice to go to Africa one day before I die and not get killed for my trouble before I even see a Buffalo or lion.
And in Europe (Sweden)
100% 9.3x62 15 grams Vulkan/Oryx 60 cms barrel K98 action does everything from 25 to 220 meters
If you like the 9.3 , you will love the .411 hawk! It is a great custom caliber that didn't make it.
ALWAYS enjoy so much all the great information you share Joseph!
I believe the Cva single shot can be had in35 Whelen
NEF offered .35 Whelen in their Handi Rifle, and in their barrel exchange program for about as long. (AKA short IIRC)
Traditions Performance Firearms also make a single shot in 35 When Called the Outfitter G3
Yep. SW lists the CVA Scout stainless in 35 Whelen for about $410. Been thinking about getting one.
I've owned several 35 Whelens now and still have my 700 CDL. I got it from Cabelas before it was actually released to the rest of the gun world. I have been a fan of it for several decades now. With a modern bolt gun and proper loads that are completely safe, you can just about equal the 338 Win bullet weight for bullet weight as far as velocity goes.
I thought Phil Schumaker carried a 20" barrel 458 win mag? That and the 30-06. Correct me if I am wrong.
Sectional density, along with appropriate construction makes all the difference to penetrating vital organs of dangerous game. It also helps in survival of those encounters ...
9.3’s are very popular for sambar deer here in Australia. They are elk sized and very tough.
Shot a few sambar with mine in a tikka stalking and over the Hounds’s works really well
You are the best thank you for everything you doing God bless you😊
I bought 9.3x62 5 year ago in Husky , and its beat anything I got. This year making new rifle with M70 action in 9.3x62.
It will be my 400 yard go to rifle .
Bought 400 brass few year back and 5 box of loaded ammo so with 500 brass, i can reload more than i need.
Hornady 286 grain bullets.
Did you mention tikka, Sako and benelli they all have 9,3X62 rifles available. some very affordable prize
Many people complains about 9,3x62 recoil... What about 3"magnum shells of a 12g or turkey loads? Or magnum slugs?
What about it?
@@sinisterthoughts2896IMO
Magnum slugs kicks harder than 3006 or even 9,3x62.
That's true a common shotgun is lighter then 9,3x62 rifle.
My 9.3x62 is one of my favorite rifles. I use the cheap PPU 285 grain soft points with a healthy dose of ramshot big game powder for 2510 fps. That bullet is pretty soft and expansion is wonderful on whitetails. Rifle is a 98 mauser I had rebored and setup with XS ghost ring sights for a deep woods rifle. Did own a sauer 100 XT in this caliber too. I mainly shot the factory Norma 230 eco strike ammo in it. It loved that ammo and had several 5 shot groups under .75”. Like a fool I sold that rifle, but I still cherish my old mauser.
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I just don't understand why the wonderful short to medium range thumpers aren't more popular. 338 Federal, 358 Win, 35 Whelan, 9.3X62, even the 338 Win Mag.
However, the 45-70 is going strong thanks to Marlin. Factory loads for it are relatively enemic. I just don't get it. Guys need to see the effect on game when the 9.3 or 35 Whelan lays the smack down. 😮
Seriously, how many deer or bear are shot over 200 yards. I love the quote, "looks at me, as if I owe him money!" I wouldn't feel under gunned with the 9.3x62 Mauser.
As I always say “I flush my toilet to the tune of a different plunger“ so I prefer the 338-06. I’ve had it approximately 11 years. It has taken elk bear moose White tail with authority. Great video!!!!
The 338-06 slightly out performs the 35 Whelen, plus 338 bullets have a higher BC and SD than 35 cal bullets. I feel that the 338-06 is the obvious best choice!
@@nathanadrian7797you've obviously never loaded for a 35 whelen. For starters, at the distances these cartridges are used, bc doesn't matter. You mentioned sectional density. It does make a difference, and a 338 bullet does have the advantage if they're both the same weight. The whelen shoots heavier bullets faster and the 338-06, so again, that advantage dissappears. There's nothing wrong with the 338-06. It's a great cartridge, and I have one. However, to say it's better is a load of crap.
@@gsnicholas8522could you tell us how you really feel🤔😳🤣 I have been hunting reloading and collecting rifles 60+ years and have owned several of both and reloaded for them and could find know difference when taking any of the animal I have shot so it ALL comes down to preference only!
@@edwardabrams4972 I never said that a 9.3x62 isn't a good cartridge, and I agree with your assessment. What I said was that it's not better. Like you, I think they're fairly equal.
@@gsnicholas8522 No, I have not reloaded for either cartridge, but starting in 1986, I have read every article I could on the 338-06, especially when compared to the 35 Whelen, and quite frankly, you are full of crap! It might be splitting hairs, but the 338-06 is the better cartridge.
Excellent and Outstanding Video!!! I’m Going to Check Out Used 9.3x62 Right Now!!!
Great video
There are pros and cons for every cartridge.
Example I absolutely love the 7rem mag
But a few hate it.
In my humble opinion if you had a 22lr and a 12 gauge and a 7rem mag and a 9.3-62 you could hunt any where!
Just MHO!
Great opinion🙌👏👊
CVA Scout is the 35 Whelen single shot. They sell for about $350 to $400 and read they are tack drivers. Have also been a huge boost for the 35's popularity for state caliber restricted areas.
The 35 whelen is made in the cva break down single shot
That’s the one! Couldn’t pull it to my mind… Thanks!
I am kind of a ballistics nerd and i love firearms and cartridge history. I have some good vintage rifles and milsurps. I love the idea of each cartridge. Been wanting a Whelen. The CVA Scout stainless looks like a good way to go, and SW lists them for $410. May not always be in stock, but i think they will ship from store to store. The 9.3 certainly has a ling and stories history. I went i to mourning when i heard CZ stopped making the 550. I wanted one in 6.5x55, and the safari style in 9.3. Couldn't afford anything for a few years. Things are a little better now and i can buy ab occasional gun. I don't really know what i would do with the Whelen, because I don't really hunt, but i bet it would lay down the hurt on water buckets and short rows of cinder blocks 😁. My next rifle is probably going to be a 7mm-08 for general use and fun, unless i decide to get the CVA Scout in Whelen first (it is also less expensive). Great presentation as always. Love the Stormy Kromer cap- probably the mosr practical outdoor hat ever made, esp for cold weather.
The 9,3x62 it's pruduced in many different rifle manufacturers. You can find in semi-auto's like some exemples:
BROWNING
SAUER
MERKEL
WINCHESTER
H&K model SLB 2000 ( mabe the best an reliable rifle).
BOLT ACTIONS :
BROWNING
SAUER
MERKEL
MAUSER
TIKA
SAKO
CZ
VOERE
And many others.
Here in Europe every manufacture offers 9,3x62 option.
You can also get old good old brands.
Amunitions you can get all over and every type of brand. Recomend you to take a look at SAX KJG offering 154,3 grains or 244 grains loads for the 9,3x62.
Has been said, you can get rifles chambered in any corrente production or ancient models.
Enjoy your 9,3x62.
You have forgotten the best one manufacturer: Blaser 😎
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Hi. Yes!! And also Benelli...
There are many other I forgot unfortunately.
Cheers 😉
@@politicallyincorrectandpro5856 Blaser makes no semi-autos...
The only problem I have with my 9.3 [Zastava LKM70 sporting rifle] is that it doesn't like round nose projectiles, and until fairly recently factory ammo choicrs for it were Prvi Partian 185gr RN, or a tiny handful of high-dollar, almost boutique brands. Lapua Naturalis feeds flawlessly, and I've got some of those simply lovely blue-tip Barnes TTSX in 250gr waiting for me to get done fiddling with my 280 Ackley
This guy is the "great value" Ron Spomer. It's like going to a Miami heat game and they are resting Shaquille O'Neal and Dwyane Wade.
I heard a rumor that they found a herd of T-Rex, so I’m looking for a specific cartridge for that😂😂😂
I’m only joking of course , love the channel and content.
Currently, the SAAMI max average chamber pressure for he 35 Whelen is higher than that of the 30-06. 62,000 psi vs 60,000 psi using the transducer method. I know that there is some confusion since the pressures of the 35 Whelen is often reported using the old copper crusher method which is sometimes still reported as psi, although the current practice is to list it as CUP (Copper Units of Pressure). Even in CUP, the 35 Whelen has a higher max pressure than the 30-06: 52,000 CUP vs 50,000 CUP.
On the Hodgdon reloading site, it appears that all pressures are from the Copper Crusher method, but the Accurate powders list it as "PSI" whereas the Hodgdon and IMR powders specify CUP. Both sets of data are around the 50,000 pressure mark and have similar velocities which is why I suspect that they use the same test method.
Firgot to mention- i heard somewhere there is a sort of cult of 35 Whelen hunters in AK- using Garands. Midway lists the Walther barrels, and they are not terribly expensive. I assume an adjustable gas plug is needed as well. Interesting idea. Now if only i had a spare Garand lying around, not doing anything......
It's a great cartridge, but a bit on the large side for jack-rabbit. Expensive too.
Perfect for Jackalopes though.
I've heard charging jackrabbits are fearsome beasts ...
@@paulreid2223 Bull Butterflies can be pretty nasty too! Be careful out there!😃
This is not a 6.5 Creedmoor and this IS the 6.5 Creedmoor channel.
They should rename this cartridge the Nobody Cares About Creedmoor w/a terrible BC.
Although modern bullets have reduced most discussions of caliber and bullet weight to purely academic exercises these days there is a time when you do actually need more gun. And more gun is not exchanging a 180 grain bullet in your .30-06 for a 220 grain bullet. More gun gives you a bullet with a larger frontal area, overall diameter and weight while maintaining the velocity needed to make those other factors worthwhile. The.35 Whelen and the 9.3 x 62 do that. For me there are groups of rounds that all do about the same job. Everything from the .223 to the .243 could be a varmint rifle with the .243 starting to straddle the line into good deer rifle territory. Above that you have the .25-06 up to the .300 Win Mag as deer, elk, black bear etc... with the bigger .300 magnums straddling the line as decent grizzly and brown bear rifles and as longer range deer and elk rifles. Above that you jump to things like the .338 Win mag., .35 Whelen, 9.3 x 62 and up through the .375 H&H as great elk, moose and big bear rifles with the Whelen having light (but still heavy) bullet versatility on the low end and viable big bullet power on the upper end without the recoil of the .375's. Above that you are talking the various .416's and up and unless you are going to Africa or just want to experiment then none of us in the States really need anything that large. Not saying you shouldn't have it if you want it but you don't need it for anything here.
Husqvarna 9.3 x 62 with 286gr doing 2,450 fps
i have a 98 that i re-barreled to whellen
great vid
Hi Ron,ooold legend!!!!🙂🙂🙂ohh sory,and,hii mr.von Benedict!!!!
366x62 is good catridges,veri gud,but 9,3x64 Breneke is a class higher,much faster,evenharder tu use and it is also the pid european No.1 for big game hunting althouth it is used bu isreaeli anti-terrorists in M-66Mauser rifle with a lelescopic sigt,but it is used bu russian snipers...
That would be 0.366 not 3.66
Thank you for sharing I only have 300 win mag 30.06 and 270 but the 300 win mag can bring down bear elk moose
Any of those can bring down bear, elk, moose.
I have the 300WM, 9,3x62 and 375H&H, all in R8 Blaser and the most unpleasant recoil comes from the 300WM for me (as well as the 338WM I had previously).
35 whelen is a deer and elk ,moose slayer remember that ammo from Europe is rare at cables pick a 35 whelen actually there's ammo for
We have enough calibres/ the world should quit trying to re-invent the “wheel “! 🇨🇦
338/06 with a285 grain @2300
No doubt Dr K Robertson has the credentials on Cape Buffalo but he's no ballistician but then neither am I😂. I find his arguments that the 9.3 X 62 is a more effective killer vis a vie the 375 H&H because the typical 1:12 twist on the 375 "overstabilses" the bullets. Is there even such a thing? What say you Joseph?
That's BS. With non-expanding bullets, faster rotation can keep bullets pointed straight. With expanding bullets, it can cause the bullets to expand wider, faster. Both lead to better results. There are a lot of guys out there who have gone to faster twists simply to get better bullet performance. I used to be an active member of an outdoor forum where a guy preferred 1:7" twists on his 270 Win because it made his bullets more effective. He put fast twists on everything.
It all depends on which bullets he is shooting and their weight and shape! It’s possible but not so much with todays bullets! 60+ years reloading hunting and collecting rifles and I have shot more then my share and things are changing everyday almost with all the modern science.
I never understood over-stabilizing.
Seekins havac ph2 or weatherby 307
"performance compared to size".....you sound like my wife.
E=mc^2
But .375 h&h looks sooooo sexy😋😋 and i love the heavy but slow recoil
I think you guys did a really poor job on this one. For starters, you totally ignored the other .366. the 9.3x64 Brenneke (same guy the slug is named after. Second, you kept comparing the 9.3x 62 to the 375 H&H, that's not a good comparison. For every 1 American who owns a 375 H&H an 100 americans own a 338 Winmag.
Now, normally you guys do a good job - So I'll swing in for the save!
SO LET'S RUN SOME NUMBERS!
9.3x62 Mauser (invented 1905, .366/9.mm)
Light 230 gr (.245 SD) at 2640 fps velocity giving 3560 ft/lbs energy
Medium 250 gr (.266 SD) at 2500 fps velocity giving 3470 ft/lbs of energy
Heavy 275 gr (.293 SD) at 2360 fps velocity giving 3420 ft/lbs of energy
Heavy II 286 gr (.305 SD) at 2340 fps velocity giving 3480 ft/lbs energy
9.3x64 Brenneke (Invented 1927, .366/93.mm)
Light 225 gr (.240 SD) at 3000 fps velocity giving 4500 ft/lbs energy
Medium 250 gr (.266 SD ) at 2800 fps velocity giving 4350 ft/lbs of energy
Medium II (original) 262 gr (.279 SD) at 2680 fps velocity giving 4180 ft/lbs of
Heavy 286 gr (.305 SD) at 2590 fps velocity giving 4260 ft/lbs energy
Heavy II 293 gr (.312 SD) at 2560 fps velocity giving 4260 ft/lbs energy
Heavy III (original) 303 gr (.323 SD) at 2500 fps velocity giving 4200 ft/lbs of energy
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375 H&H (invented 1912,chambered in the Winchester 70 in 1937, .375/9.5mm)
Extra Light 250gr (.250 SD) 2850 fps velocity giving 4510 ft/lbs energy
Light 270 gr (.276 SD) at 2700 fps velocity giving 4370 ft/lbs energy
Medium 300 gr (.306 SD) at 2550 fps velocity giving 4330 ft/lbs energy
Heavy 350 gr (.357 SD) at 2300 fps velocity giving 4110 ft/lbs energy
The 375 H&H and the 9.6x64 Brenneke are nearly identical in performance.
So what did Americans use before easy access to the 375 H&H? 35 Whelen!
35 Whelen (invented 1922, .358/9.1mm)
Extra Light 180 gr (.200 SD) at 2960 fps velocity giving 3500 ft/lbs of energy
Light 200 gr (.223 SD) at 2820 fps velocity giving 3530 ft/lbs of energy
Medium 225 gr (.250 SD) at 2660 fps velocity giving 3530 ft/lbs of energy
Heavy 250 gr (.278 SD) at 2520 fps velocity giving 3530 ft/lbs of energy
Heavy II 275 gr (.306 SD) at 2350 fps velocity giving 3370 ft/lbs of energy
Extra-Heavy (original) 310 gr (.345 SD) at 2200 fps velocity giving 3330 ft/lbs of energy
the 35 whelen is the the near-twin of the 9.3x62
While it is slightly smaller in diameter, the BEST comparison for Americans is the 338 Winmag. As you can see below, it's delivering energy in slight excess of the 35 Whelen/9.3x62 rounds, but falls short of the 375H&H/9.3x64. Maybe a 9.5mm 300 gr bullet vs an 8.6mm 300 gr bullet had meaning in the 1920s, but today we know so much about making bullets that I think a 338 Winmag with a 250 gr bullet can do anything a 300 gr 375 H&H can do.
338 Winchester Magnum (invented 1958 .338/8.6mm)
Light 180 gr (.224 SD) at 3150fps velocity giving 3960ft/lbs energy
Light 200 gr (.249 SD) at 2980 fps velocity giving 3940 ft/lbs energy
Medium 225 gr (.280 SD ) at 2800 fps velocity giving 3920 ft/lbs of energy
Heavy 250 gr (.312 SD) at 2660 fps velocity giving 3930 ft/lbs of
Heavy II 275 gr (.343 SD) at 2520 fps velocity giving 3880 ft/lbs energy
(rare) Extra-Heavy 300 gr (.375 SD) at 2400 fps velocity giving 3830 ft/lbs energy
Cartridges in this same grouping: 350 Remington Magnum, 358 Norma Magnum, Sako .370 aka 9.3x66 SAKO, and the 376 Styler
One that is NOT in the same class:
35 Remington (1906, .358/9.1mm)
Standard 200 gr (223 SD) at 2200 fps velocity giving 2150 ft/lbs of energy HALF of what these others give.
Cartridges in this same grouping: 350 Remington Magnum, 358 Norma Magnum, Sako .370 aka 9.3x66 SAKO, and the 376 Styler
here's the story!
Okay Folks, here's how the story goes. In Africa, rich guys hunted elephants. Normal folks shot Eland and Gemsbok for food, and shot the lions and leopards that were eating their cattle. They couldn't afford fancy double rifles in 400 Nitro express. They did use a lot of surplus big caliber single shot rifles using black powder, but also used 7mm and 8mm mauser rifles (plus others) but those guns struggled to get the job done.
So guys started necking up cartridges and inventing new catridges, but tried to stick with stuff that would fit in a Mauser Rifle length action. Some early contenders were 9x57 Mauser, 9.5x57 Mannlicher-schonauer, etc. One that seemed to hit "just right" was the 9.3x62 Mauser. The British they went for the .350 Rigby and then a while later the 375 H&H which became VERY popular. Shortly after the 375 H&H arrived a german made hitting version of the 9.3 trying to duplicate the 375 H&H 9.3x64 Brenneke (same guy who invented the Brenneke slug). For the average person in Africa though (and parts of Asia and Australia) not only were those rifles too expensive, but they recoiled too much. The 9.3x62 was "just right"
When Americans started to go to Africa they often didn't have good access to 375 H&H rifles, at least not from American makers. The 35 Whelen was the 30-06 necked up to .358 so basically the same as the 8mm Mauser necked up to .366. It was even called the Poor Man's 375 H&H. Many were made on surplus 1903 springfield actions (which is extremely similar to the Mauser action) This was long before the 338 Winmag or 458 Winmag were invented.
I would rather hear from Ron than this guy - he is too pretty to be a credible outdoorsman.
Too pretty? So….you get the tingles when you watch him? That’s cool, I’m not judging. If that’s your kink, then you do you, chief
Bullets too heavy for normal animals like deer, too much recoil for my shoulder, not a legal caliber for African game.
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@robertbach9376 I’m Joseph’s son and used the 9.3x62 in Africa last fall. I’m only thirteen, and recoil is stout but not bad. As for deer sized game, I used it on an old Impala ram and dropped him in his tracks. It’s a great cartridge!
@@BackcountryApprenticeDoing a great job on the Backcountry Hunting Podcast! Video production looks great on a reumé.
@@reallycoooool thank you!
Stop eating estrogenic foods such as soy. You will feel much better and your squeaky voice will deepen.
Had my Remington 700 Classic in 35 Whelen since my 1st birthday in 1988. First gift from my grandfather. Been my “go to” since high school.
I bought a Remington 700 Classic when they first came out. Great elk gun, not heavy, not much recoil and drops them quickly. I load 225 gr Nosler partitions at around 2650 fps, sub MOA 3 shot groups. Love that rifle
@@FranzAntonMesmer Most people don't know what a trigger is when they are one year old!
Outstanding choice Sir
Grandpa starting that boy out the right way
Always liked the Classic more than the BDL, cosmetically. And it has a greater selection of chamberings, one at a time. I worked in a well stocked gun shop from 93-95, and there was a group of 700 Classic fans that would buy them. We had 3 or 4 years of chamberings on the rack. I specifically remember 6.5x55 (always wanted one; still do) and of course 30-06. Always thought a 221 Fireball would be a fun walking varminter, and economical on powder too.
9.3x62 is the single best big game cartridge, period. Easily shootable. Can certainly get 225gr at 2700 f/s for open areas, 250gr at 2575f/s for mixed ranges, and 286gr at 2400 f/s for wooded. Typically 4-5 rounds in the magazine. Standard action in a handy rifle. CZ 550 or Ruger is perfect and gives you proper CRF. Not the best mountain rifle for 400 yard shoots on Goats or Sheep nor long shots on Pronghorn, but essentially one rifle for everything. 35 Whelen AI is great also. Keep in mind that the recoil is much more of a "slow push" than a sharp impulse. Really improves your shooting. Can't recommend the 9.2x62 or 35 Whelen/Whelen AI highly enough. If large Elk, Moose, Griz/Brown Bear are on the list, 9.3x62 will do it with ease and also be well-suited to 95% of your whitetail, muley, hogs, black bear, etc. hunting.
For all around use I'll take the whelen. Running 225's at 2800 and 250's at 2700 is some very serious medicine.
Agreed!
@gsnicholas8522 I'd take the 9.3x62 every time. Bocks creation has done it all for over 100yrs - and the game hasn't changed any. I've taken one-shot kills on cape buff with it - and Kevin Robinson's 9.3x62 has taken over 600 cape buff.
@@tim7052 with cape buffalo thrown in the mix, I agree with you. For strictly North American hunting I'd take a whelen. I think a whelen would be fully capable of taking cape buffalo, but the 9.3x62 is already proven.
Fine episode! I have both 9.3x62 and 35 Whelen both because I just had to have them. My 35 is custom built on a WWII 98 Mauser action. The 9.3 is a 1946 Husqvarna M640 built on a M96 action. Got it from a British gentleman who grew up hunting in Africa where his father was a government game ranger. Now he lives is the U.S., arranges African safaris and still hunts in Africa. He had taken 3 Cape Buffalo in recent years with that 9.3 before he sold it to me. He told me that in Africa it’s called the European 375 and it’s good for any of the dangerous game.
Here’s some FYI: The SAAMI MAP for 35 Whelen is 62,000 PSI using the modern piezoelectric transducer measuring method. For 9.3x62 the MAP is 57,500. As such, with all other factors being equal, when loaded to maximum allowable pressure the 35 Whelen can propel an equal weight bullet as fast or faster than the 9.3x62. Woodleigh makes 310 grain .358 diameter bullet suitable for dangerous game and provides serious loading data for it in the 35 Whelen. Interestingly the SAAMI MAP for the 375 H&H is 62,000 PSI, same as the 35 Whelen while the 30-06 Springfield is only 60,000 PSI. You can download the latest SAAMI specs publication which has both the data from the old Copper crusher units of pressure and the new piezoelectric PSI for all the cartridges it has tested and is recognized by SAAMI members. Not all cartridges have been measured with both methods.
The nice thing about the 9.3x62 and the 35 Whelen is that they are both very versatile. If you’re someone like me who is never going to Africa to hunt anything you can buy the PPU 285 grain soft point in the 9.3x62 or the 200 or 250 grain Remington CoreLokt factory ammo. Those are both fairly soft bullets that will expand well on Whitetails or Mule Deer at moderate ranges. If you hand load the PPU bullets and the Hornady Interlock 286 grainers will work just fine. If you’re after Elk then the premium bonded bullets are available. There are a couple of U.S. manufacturers, who do not adhere to SAAMI standards, that produce some hot loads for both of these numbers. Happy hunting boys and girls!😊
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Great info on the pressure testing. Thanks
Look around for a used Husqvarna 640 or 1640 in 9.3x62
Most need restocked due to cracking in the wrist area. Very nice actions though and an easy fix
Ive loaded my 22" Remington 35 Whelen with a 250g Speer hotcor going 2660fps and 225g Sierra GK 2820fps. And I wasn't pushing it. I have a Savage 110, 24" too, that I've loaded 225g Barnes tsx going 2900fps.
With hammer bullets, you can make some nasty 35 whelen loads that are very accurate. I just got a custom 1 in 12” twist 35 whelen barrel that I’m going to put on my Tika t3 this weekend. I’m pretty excited.
I thought about picking up the 35 Whelen but upon further examination, I realized that what the 35 does, the 9.3x62 does just that much better. I now own three of them.....
That sounds like a sweet build. About ten years ago my brother and I built a handful of T3's chambered in 450 Marlin, the 1st two we used Lother Walther,the rest McGowan. It's really sweet having "something different" 👌
@@generalpatten5043I own and use both. I have to respectfully disagree with you here.
Did you start out with a t3 in 30/06? Who made the barrel? Curious about the details because I really like this idea. Thanks.
@@sawman613is the t3 relatively easy to switch barrels on?
I built all 3 of these calibers and I include the .358 Norma Mag as my favorite. I built my 9.3x62mm on a GEW 98 action and a #4 26” 1-10 twist Shilen 416 stainless barrel. That gun is awesome. I have taken elk, black bear, mule and whitetail deer, axis, aoudad and hogs… she kills bugs dead
That Norma will do for anything that walks
@@jmjones7897 I agree. I have made 2 358 Norma Mags both on Mauser actions. Elk thumpers for sure
@raytribble8075 That 9.3 sounds sweet.
Easier on the powder/ shoulder, super versatile.
Pretty close to an ideal go anywhere hunt anything rifle
@@jmjones7897 I am 63 and been building rifles for 42 years… of those I have made, the 9.3x62mm has now turned into my caliber of choice.
I build flintlocks these days… but when I go hunting, I grab that 9.3 every time.
@raytribble8075 53 here. No flintlocks, Still hunt deer and squirrel with a side hammer Caplock .40 my Uncle for the old man in the early 70's.
Learned to load and build guns with them before ever had a bicycle
First one was a. 243 on an 1890's high wall action.
Got another 70's model 700 from the old man about 10 years back he built for Pronghorn × Southern/Tx Whitetail
Trigger and bedding are outstanding
Fairly heavy sporter barrel been considering re-boring + chambering to .358 Winchester.
In mid-Missouri, mostly hunt in cover
We're getting a decent black bear + elk population now
Like to have a somewhat lighter rifle think that would be a pretty solid rig for lower 48.
Thank you, very interesting. Where would the 338 win mag be if it were included in this group.
I got both rifle cartridges. They work great in the high country timber in Montana where a 200 yard shot is a long one.
9.3x62 Norma Vulkan or Oryx 232 grains 2690fps 24" barrel K98 action. Nothing can stop it, And super manageable recoil
I really appreciate how well Joe put these three calibers in perspective. 💯btw, I'm in that 9.3 x 62 'cult (lol) with a CZ 550, but compared to say .35 Whelen in a CVA power and potential I'd they're pretty much a toss-up as Joe all but said. And IMO, getting so much performance with 3500ft/lbs of recoil is what these two offer. Joe kind of wraps that up near then end of the video and this is a good one to rewatch, esp if either appeals.
I had a 30-06 FN Mauser converted into a 9.2x62 by a Nuremberg gunsmith. Based on an old photo of an African Mauser. It was a great weapon. Later I sold all my guns because I moved abroad. Greetings from Thailand
Are you not allowed to own guns in Thailand?
@@floridagunrat1625 As a foreigner you are not allowed to own weapons in Thailand. Thais, on the other hand, can apply for a permit
Great video , there both great cartridges I have both but my favorite is my 35 Whelen because I built it myself. Both mine are built on Mauser 98 actions. Thanks for the great video.
35 Whelen is such an easy gun to 'get'....find an old 30-06 in good condition but with a blown out bore....rebore to 358 and you're there! I 'made' my 35 Whelen from an excellent condition 1952 Remington 760 in 30-06 with a bad bore....at a time when nobody wanted a pump action 760 in 30-06 the pawn shop had a bunch all around $350-400. it was a total of $550 in 2016 for the gun and rebore job. JES Rebored it - its my most accurate rifle!
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JOZEF VON BENEDICT YOU IZ GREAT,SUPER GUY!!!PLEASE FOR SMALL VIDEO AND 9,3X64 BRENEKE AND 8X68S MAUSER 8MM MAGNUM.RWS MAKES BOTH CALIBERS!
NOT BECAUSE OF ME,BUT TO FAMILIARIZE YOURSELF WITH CALIBERS FOR THE CLASS BETTER THAN 6,3X62 AND 35 WHWLEN.
Also not because of me. 😅
I run into your pops from time to time @ Wanamaker, never seen you tagging along. About time for us to see ya'll shooting side by side
Another cartridge I probably need🤔🤣
Yes I know I need another to cure that itch I have🤔😳🤣
Why not the 350 Norma mag? Nice Kromer Joseph!
358 norma magnum
Thank you!
It would be interesting to compare the 35 Whelen and its heavy for caliber cast bullets - Lyman 358009 -290gr - I own a 315gr spire point LBT bullet mold. I also own an NOE 313gr 'Thumper' mold. Its gets brutal in recoil (at 1950-2000fps) and with the Lyman 358009 book load is max at 2350 fps with IMR3031.I did not go max. No slow powders are listed but I'll bet with IMR4064 you'd get 2450fps with a 300gr solid - thats something to compare
The Traditions Outfitter G3 rifle made by Traditions Performance Firearms (single shot) and the CVA Scout, also single shot, are great rifles in 35 Whelen
Definitely glad I started watching this channel. Quick story. I'm late to firearms due to my family. Always had an interest to shoot even if it was a bb gun. Needless to say, purchased my 1st firearm about 13 years ago (I'm 52 now). My then 10 yr old son wanted to go. 9mm put a bit of fear in him. That was my second firearm purchase (22lr for him). Things went great, watched more videos, took a few classes, kept bringing my son, a few more firearm purchases later to fill rolls for hot of us and here we are. A father of a 23 ye old D2 football player son, studying veterinary science, and a pro 2A supporter, who believes in hunting for food, not trophies. Guess my being late into the fun of firearms wasn't a bad thing. Hunt honest, shoot straight, and teach our youth about firearms and firearm safety. Best of wishes to you all over there.
The 9.3mm X 57mm was much to my liking. But the 9.3mm X 62mm did not impress as much. The shorter round lacked some range but was a much sweeter rifle.
Cartridges are not rifles. Your comment is nonsensical.
@@SurmaSampo you obviously have no relevant experience to share
I plan on building a 9.3x62
35 Whelan when loaded hot with a 225 sierra gk.....woooowee....lays elk and moose down..favorite cartridge ❤❤❤❤love,love it. Gets er done in style. Great video btw
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Interesting comparisons. I've shared a couple/three comments back & forth with Mr. Spoomer about that number of years ago regarding the advantages of the .30-'06 family of brass when it comes to having something on hand to use for reloading and supplies are slim to "On Back Order", 'specially here in Calipornia. I'll keep my 1948 Winchester Super Grade Model 70 in .30-GOVT '06 w/24" barrel and my sporterized 1909 Argentine Mauser that had its barrel re-bored and re-chambered to .35 Whelen and shortened to 24" fed with '06 brass, or .35 Whelen brass; even .25-06 brass, or .270 brass ["and more"] - necked up or down whenever necessary - at least just enough to tide me over until the proper brass is available again.
The pre64 are nice rifles I gave a couple to a close friend who is restocking them into beautiful safe queens and always wanted to own on! I myself are into Sako’s and Husqvarna rifles being a collector 60+ years and just can’t own enough of them poor guns looking for a good home😳😂
9.3x62 is a fantastic cartridge I wish it was more popular in NA as it is a very sensible mild recoiling cartridge . its pretty common in Europe and offered in a great selection of firearms . On another note the 35 Whelen was /is pretty common down under . The 35 Whelen was never down loaded to lower pressures because of the 7600 action (which is a modern action) in fact when Remington had it SAAMI certified for introduction in 88 it was at a higher pressure than that of the parent cartridge the 30-06 . (500 cup vs 520 cup for the Whelen) The 35 whelen was introduced to the public by Remington in their bolt action model 700 rifle their 7600 pump action rifle and the 7400/750 semi auto rifle. The 7600 and 7400/750 have a rotatiing bolt head like a BAR or a BPR ( and a ton of other modern actions) and is more than strong enough for Whelan at SAAMI pressures . The 35 Whelen was only ever offered offered in modern actions at modern pressures unlike like the 30-30 or the 45-70 which were originally offered in relativlely weak actions by todays standards .
truth there, the recoil is super smooth I started shooting my 9.3x62 232 grains 2700fps at 17YO 143 lbs 🤣 and I could handle it
Great video, I have a winchester model 70 featherweight 30-06 rebored by JES to 35 Whelen. Great cartridge!
These classic cartridges have a new lease on life with modern powder technology. Back when the .375H&H and others were designed one of the key requirements was extreme reliability. That’s why early dangerous game cartridges had very conservative pressures so they’d extract reliably in hot climates - usually not exceeding 45,000 PSI. Also highly tapered case forms to feed easily. Often still cordite propellant and fulminate primers for stability in all environments, and it’s what they had most of.
A friend had the Ruger M77 in 416 Rigby and that was a thing of beauty and wonder with the rib! We had a Brno in .375H&H and it was lovely to shoot. The Germans also make potent cartridges like the 8x68 and 9.3x64 that have a different form factor to the 30/06 based cartridges.
When I lived in South Africa and Namibia, the popular cartridge there was still the 30/06 for general hunting intermediate size animals. They were universal. The 8mm/06 is also a great wildcat.
Great video! 👍🏻
If you reload for 35 Whelen and like em spicy try lever evolution. Perfect burn rate for 200-250gr. Much more energy than 8208/3031
Great Video 💯💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
When the 9.3 is hand loaded to its full potential it’s in another league, 286gr @ 2600fps very achievable.
My father chose the 35 Whelen for Africa. He didn't want to shoot dangerous game, but he wanted a better trajectory then the 9.3x62 for plains game, and he wanted the stopping power to take an raging elephant or a cape buffalo if someone was in danger, or they got into camp. It is also more versatile to hand load because of the hundreds of bullets that will fit the .358 barrel like Barnes 180 gn and other solids down to 140 gn and pistol bullets.
What would he have done had his ammo gotten separated from his gun? I can tell you. He would have borrowed a local's 9.3x62.
@@TODinWY nope his PH had ammo in the camp. They kept a Whelen there for a camp rifle. If I was flying over I would order two boxes ahead of time in SA and have them delivered in South Africa to the PH.
You could literally neck up, some 30-06 cases and load your own ammo there. Actually because the 9.3x62 is shorter, you could likely neck it down and make them fit as well, but it wouldn't be so easy the other way. If you lost 9.3x62 ammo in say Nunavut, you'd have a big job blowing the 30-06 cases out because you'd have to move the shoulder back before you could even blow them out. Sorry the Whelen is better.
@@TODinWY plan ahead. Send ammo ahead of you. Nor securing ammo is an amateur move, and having to rely on finding rounds, any rounds, is planning to fail.
clearly you have never been on a safari hunt! It’s a wise move to ensure your hunt goes off without problems which I might know about after 60+ years of hunting reloading and collecting rifles! Todinwy stupid comment it shows your inexperience 😳
The .375 H&H is best compared with the 9.3x64.
The 9.3x64 is slightly superior to the .375 although the .375 has 0.2mm more diameter.
The 9.3x64 was developed by Wilhelm Brenneke in 1927.
I shot Rock hyrax in Namibia with the 9.3x62, perhaps a little oversized ;-) But the Eland also fell over with it.
I have already written with Ron about the 9.3x62.
I own a 9.3x57 / 9.3x62 / 9.3x64 / 9.3x72R / 9.3x74R.
The 9.3x72R is available in black powder and nitro powder versions.
Here in Germany it is also called the old forester cartridge
I love this diameter. The next one will be the rare 9.3x66 from Sako.
Best regards from Bavaria
Great video. Please do one on the 8x64s
Cva makes a break action in .35 and then so does traditions firearms. I love my break action .35 wheelin traditions g2
Here in Africa we don’t even hear about a 35 Whelan
Cva makes a 35 single shot.
I one could only have one case for the rest of one's life it would be hard to find a better one than the 9.3x62. It can be squished down to 30-06 dimensions, I supposed, the head on the ones I use is actually the dimensions of the 30-06 brass. I could therefore do everything from the '06 based cartridges from .25 to .400. And given it has a higher capacity than the 30-06, by about 15%, while having steeper shoulders, like more modern cartridges, yet feeds very well, It would be a better platform for a certain approach to improved versions of all the '06 based cartridges, not that I have hear of any such experiments. I am particularly interested in doing a .338x62.
Woodleigh used to make a 310gr round nose bullet for the 35 Whelen. They're hard to find but there's still a few around.
Woodleigh provides loading data for those 310 grain bullets. Serious stuff!
Woodleigh factory burned down, so you probably won't be getting any new ones anytime soon
Rhino bullets makes 300 and 320 grain solid shank softs in 9.3
If you check the Remington History website, by 1988, when Remington chambered the 35 Whelen in the Model 7600 pump action rifle, that action could easily handle the full 62,000psi (transducer) pressure of the round. The 7600 was also chambered in 270 Win, a 65,000 psi cartridge starting in 1981 and through the production life of that rifle. It is true that the earlier version of Remington's pump action rifle, the model 760 was less strong, which is partly why Remington developed the 280 Rem which ran at slightly lower pressures than the 270 Win.
I have two 9.3x62s, one 9.3x57, and three 35 Whelens. To get the most out of your 35 Whelen a person needs to be a handloader and read the article Finn Aagaard wrote for the June 1992 American Rifleman. I've shot a fair amount of game with the .35 Whelen, but not huge numbers, since I was a normal working stiff who had to schedule my hunting around work, since my family instilled in me some bad habits (the enjoyment of eating, and living indoors in bad weather). I've shot whitetail deer, mule deer, Sitka blacktail deer, black bear, and caribou with the .35 Whelen, and it always did the job amazingly well (including 5.5 feet of penetration on a huge black bear with a 250 grain Nosler Partition). Although I hunted coastal brown bears with my 35 Whelen when I lived in Alaska, I never saw one I wanted to take while carrying the Whelen. I never felt undergunned hunting brown bears with the 35 Whelen. After working with the three cartridges, if I was to start over and choose just one, it would be the 9.3x62. With the ready availability of soft point and solid bullets, as well as the current availability of a wide range of bullet weights, I think the 9.3x62 is more versatile than both the 9.3x57 and 35 Whelen.
the 9.3x62 is a very beloved cartridge here in germany.
then we got the 9.3x64 brenneke, this man created many famous cartridges and the renowned brenneke slug.
its even used in russia in the armed forces known as the 7N33 used in the svdk large caliber sniper rifle.
and to my knowledge there are many .366 guns for civilians and hunters too, i think .366 tkm or something is the name.
used in saigas and civilian ak variants.
theres also a 9.3x74r, a rimmed cartridge for use in drilling combination guns, with 12 ga.
in ww2, the german luftwaffe had the m30 drilling survival rifle for pilots.
i just love my german guns and cartridges.
Sounds very interesting. Mostly a small bore guy .17- .30. But would like an affordable magnum eventually
Rizzini makes double rifles in 35 Whelen and 9.3x62 chamberings!
I understand your interest in the 9.3 x 62, I have Sako 85 stainless hunter and will be holding on to it for a very long time, keep up the good work Joseph.