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Ironically, the novel isn't really a parody/satire, although it also doesn't have the direct allusions to the Reich. That was a deliberate Verhoeven choice. Heinlein had.....opinions. Not surprising, given the religion he founded.
Saw this opening day. And, yeah, it's not just another action movie... it's got some satirical teeth to it. Which was impressive considering the book it's based on... where the whole Citizen and colonialism aspect is totally serious (the author legit believed it). Your insight into _Full Metal Jacket_ and this was excellent! Never thought about it that way, but you got something there. Very cool. (And why I love your channel).
Please react to a movie called How To Make Millions Before Grandma Dies. It's a Thai movie, it centered around a young male who, after received news that his grandma got diagnosed with cancer, decided to take care of his grandma while he himself trying to secure his inheritance from his grandma. This movie is a seriously tear-jerker movie, full of family-themed lessons and, I can dare to say, this movie is a lot better than any family movies that you've ever seen or reacted before.
@@ryanhampson673 I actually like it when the book and the movie adaption is pretty different but great separately. Jurassic Park is very different from the book but stands on its own, for example.
I absolutely loved the discussion after the reaction. You guys absolutely nailed it. This is why you guys are great. You see the parallels, you don’t get distracted by the ooohh and aaahhs of the cgi, you really pay attention to the story and what Paul Verhoven did with this story.
As a young teen I thought Carmen was gorgeous. Maturing as an adult is realizing Dizz is the better choice for Rico over Carmen because she pushes him to be better not just because she’s into him unlike “for the streets” Carmen.
I can't say her relationship with Sheen helped her in my own eyes IRL and is one of the reasons I don't want to know personal details of actors because - baggage.
I have made similar comments on reactions to this movie :D Carmen was stunning to me back when I first saw this on release but over the years it has definitely been Dizz that has grown in her attractiveness to me.
Guy is surrounded by absolute bros. Zim as the hard-as-nails but fair instructor, Ace is the friend we all need - loyal and a complete goofball, Sugar who's got his back even as he's down on the floor gutted like a fish and even Raczak knows to give him and Dizzy some extra time because who knows if they're around tomorrow. I wish for everybody to have those type of people around them.
@@StayFractalesquehe wasn’t though. He’s first presented as a bit more of a free thinker, or at least ambivalent about his society. He’s not really taking school propaganda seriously, and when asked if he believes the lessons he’s not sure and hasn’t made up his mind. He’s a highly competitive jock, but he’s sentimental and wants a committed relationship. He joins the military to chase after his love interest, not because he’s “falling in line,” and he realizes that too, telling his parents he’s been an idiot and wanting to come home. It’s the reversal of fortunes and circumstances, the rewards that seem to come from compliance, and the exposure to “men of character” who nevertheless do brutal things that radicalizes Rico into falling in line.
The whole point of it is him having opposite character development lol. In the beginning Rico has inclines of 'maybe this isn't the way we should be doing things'. By the end he's a full blown brainwashed soldier willing to fight to the death for the very system who very likely killed his parents, not the bugs. The movie's super in your face about the Nazi fascist tones with the "protagonists", down to NPH basically being dressed as a full blown SS officer by the end lol. The movie's a total satire on militarization. I love the movie forsure lol, but it's definitely misunderstood...
It's definitely that kind of film that can be misconstrued or misunderstood - but if you look closely, it's so clear what it's trying to say!! It absolutely deserves the cult classic label!
Almost everyone "got it" when it came out because they had seen Robocop. The ones who didn't were millennials who saw it as kids, which is fair enough, but this narrative you're putting forward years later is completely false.
iirc this movie even spawned a 3D animated tv series airing when I was kid. But it played the action adventure straight losing all the commentary the movie had
The CG in this movie is absolutely incredible. The leap from Jurassic Park with a handful of shots to this - just 4 years later - where there are THOUSANDS of CG creatures is stunning. And like JP it's the time and care and attention to detail that makes it look so damn good.
true! ..im pretty sure each of those bugs was hand animated too, that it wasnt until LoTR that crowds could be mass produced by way of procedural CGI that looked as good as this..
Fun fact: JP actually helped get the vfx in the movie to look the way they do. JP had been the transition point at ILM from puppets to digital. but the animators were used to do digital effects, only stop motion and animatronics. to get around that they created the D.I.D. or Dinosaur input Device. it was literally a puppet they could animated like stop motion, but it was rigged with sensors connected to the computer, allowing them to animate the 3d dinosaurs like you would stop motion. For this movie, they took the D.I.D (renamed digital input device) and modified to not just look like the bugs, but since technology had progress, they could actually animate it in real time like a hand puppet. (instead of just move a little, click a button to save it, move a little more, click, etc) so they could do complex animation then just save the entire this.
I actually got to ask Xander's actor a couple of questions in an early, *early* online chat forum. He mentioned that the robotic Xander was extremely disturbing because the puppeteers kept making it look at him while he'd walk around the set. And that his favorite scene in the movie is the base attack scene on P because it was Paul Verhoven's tribute to the film Zulu.
You guys are the BEST film/movie reviewers on YT imo. Always so positive/fun and fair. So many people of your age group on YT also reviewing films don't seem to be able to show normal emotions during watching certain scenes in films, which is what we watch for, to see if the scenes affect others in a similar way. No matter the scene they just keep trying to come out with funny/sarcastic/empty thoughts and even laughing at sad deaths. You always get this stuff right and it's always great to see you both be genuinely moved at times from the film scenes. Huge fan!
This is the first time I've watched a video of theirs and on one of my favorite movies. I thought their commentary and they way they actually watched it was very refreshing
This reminds you to Helldivers because the ex CEO and founder of Helldivers studio wanted to make his dream Starship Troopers game and that is Helldivers 2. Something important about that is that Sony has the rights to every kind of Starship Troopers media outside the publication of the book (this is based in a book) and Sony is also owner of Helldivers so both franchises can exists without legal problems because they come from the same owner. Casper Van Dien the actor who plays Rico was very vocal about how much he liked Helldivers 2 when the game became one of the big hits of this year.
I'm honestly in disbelief that Ari, as a Helldivers 2 player, didn't seem to expect the extreme resemblance, because I felt like that was ALL I WAS HEARING about it when the game was blowing up big time haha. I guess having seen the movie I latched onto all the comparisons, and having not seen it he didn't really hang on to that connection.
I am a huge fan of the book this is based on, by Robert Heinlein. One thing I was disappointed in not seeing in the movie was, the mechanized suits. I felt like they missed a huge opportunity since Rico et al were literally members of the "Mechanized Infantry". My oldest plays a lot of online games and Mech Warrior is his favorite. I know so little about the games--did the movie come out before the Mech Warrior? Maybe that explains the movie not capitalizing on that, so the animation just wasn't there yet. Is Helldivers 2 a "mech warrior" type game? Just curious, I'm not a gamer.
@@Doxymeister I've heard it said that due to budget constraints they could either have the suits or the bugs, and while I also would have loved to have seen the mech suits as described in the book, I think Verhoeven choose correctly for this movie. Also @mariosoriano4650 Sony doesn't own Helldivers 2, they're just the publisher. Arrowhead retained the rights to the IP.
A quote that fit well with this movie : “It says here in this history book that luckily, the good guys have won every single time. What are the odds?” -Norm MacDonald
It's a heavy dose of irony then that Verhoeven ignored the thrust of the novel to rewrite the script as a satire on facism. But the movie is way more popular than the book...
@@saviourself687 The book is exceptional. The philosophy in it is awesome - a really good mix of action and philosophy, and it has helped shaped the way I view the world. Unfortunately, I can't say that about much of Heinlein's other work!
yeah thing is... the bugs really ARE the agressors in the conflict, not seeing humans as sentient beings by their metrics. So the bugs throwing the rock at humanity, and attacks on the bugs being for the safety of humanity are in fact NOT propaganda.
One of my most favorite reactions from you guys. I loved how I could see on Denise's face when she started really questioning things and how dark it gets lol. Hands down my favorite Verhoeven movie. The man's a genius.
Thank you so so much, that's such a huge compliment! He truly is a genius in his storytelling! Also loll, I started feeling SO uneasy, and of course as per usual, my face betrays me 😂
That was hilarious. "What a whiplash..." And Denise immediately turns with a smirk and starts to laugh. "...in terms of tone." Unintentional puns are the best! My wife and I used to notice and laugh when our daughter would have an unintentional pun, and she HATED it!
"COME ON YOU APES, YOU WANNA LIVE FOREVER!?!?" Is one of my favorite lines of all time lmao. Just because of how he delivers in while in that environment. SO epic.
U might wanna check out the fat electrician's video of the most gangster marine of all time dan daily he said that to his marines in the battle of belleau woods in ww1
I always snort at the asteroid scene when the captain compliments Zander and Carmen for preventing a full head-on crash by their quick reaction and due to their skill. Carmen looked so smug and pleased with herself - when it was her who brought them into the path of the asteroid in the first place by changing their course of her own volition, after only being on the ship for three weeks and without even telling anyone about it.
True, however how could she have predicted that streamlining the route and being efficient would lead them to a completely unforseeable event, that asteroid could have just as easily been in their original path before the changes.
Yeah really. Thats like taking a huge shit on someones face, but then bragging about how you're such a gentleman because you helped wipe their face clean.
It's a deeper scene to show how smart the bugs are. Carmen reprograms the ship to the optimal course, the optimal course the bugs already had the asteroid on.
Insubordination resulting in a damage to federal property, requiring a complete refit of a sensor array on a federal starship. That´s 10 lashes, plus another 10 a day after!
All this time (saw this in the theater) I NEVER caught the Shijumi foreshadowing "my father said it would cost an arm and a leg" - and then he gets immediately dismembered. Wow.
I just got home from cancer treatment and I love u guys watching ur reactions make me feel better. I grew up in the 70s and 80s i seen all these movies when they came out Thank u for making my day better
Always thought Dina was very beautiful. Also from the start of this movie I rooted for Dizzy and Johnny to end up together. So disappointing how that ended.
One really interesting thing most people don't get is the movie version is completely opposite of the tone and philosophy of the book it's based on, yet still works. The 90's CGI cartoon "The Roughneck Chronicles" is halfway between the book and the movie and is another extremely well done take on the story that's way better than a forgotten kids show has any right to be.
It is funny how the teacher told Rico, that making your own decisions is the one freedom everyone truly has. And then Rico actually doesn't make ANY decision by himself (except for once, and then it was a disaster). He is just thrown into or coerces himself to. Going Harvard: his dad Going service: Carmen Becoming squad leader: Dizzy Becoming corporal: Raszak Having sex with Dizzy: Raszak Killing Raszak: Raszak Becoming Lieutenant: Carl Finding Carmen: Carl Where did he make his own decision: Removing the M3 helmet from a squadmate during a live fire exercise. He didn't actually asked or aspired for any of this. He is also completely unoriginal (just cloning his former Lieutenant). He is the ultimate grunt. This movie is absolute genius
I actually saw this as a teenager when it first came to theaters. It was just a fun space movie to me then. I saw it again after college and this was post 9/11 and all the media and government was pushing the WAR on Terror and the war in Iraq. I definitely got the subtext and how deep this film actually is.
Exactly. This version of earth doesn’t just feature a one world government where one body controls the entire planet, it’s also a fascist military state. Not being able to vote unless you devote your life to the military? Horrifying and reprehensible. A further bit of commentary that goes over people’s heads is Buenos Aires, Argentina being populated by what we would call a bunch of rich white Americans. This is a hint at how this world government expanded and took over the planet in the first place, and the consequences thereof for the local populations in countries that were not traditionally white.
I saw it on a gigantic screen with thunderous sound. It's style has been imitated so much it's part of the Hollywood bloodstream now (that and ROBOCOP) so it's impossible for young'uns to comprehend how frakking HARD the gore and violence hit back in the day : it was gruesome as only foreign (TETSUO II : BODY HAMMER comes to mind,) or low-budget horror movies (10 000 MANIACS) were. It stayed with me for days.
@@PDC19871. The federation is moderately militarist, to the extent to any regular real world country. 2. The federation is a democracy, not a fascist society. 3. The race thing is for convenience, the whites didn’t take over the world
Fun Fact: the design of the main Arachnids was actually an alternate design for the Shriekers in _Tremors 2: Aftershocks_ that they didn't use due to being limited by their budget. But Tippet Studio (which worked on both films) decided to use the design for this film.
@@OfficialMediaKnights tremors is a amazing franchise. 7 movies with crazy lore and the monsters are crazy looking. They even got a tv show of one season.
It would suck. Everything that makes STARSHIP TROOPERS work has *_nothing_* to do with the bugs : Verhoeven could have made the same exact movie with zombies, or robots, or demons, or demonic SS officers who are zombie robots. Considering how Hollywood has lost any and all ability to tell coherent stories, I would have zero hope of anything remotely this intense getting made : we would end up with a fancy tech demo full of GenZ actors spouting pithy lines, smugly lecturing the audience on social issues, cribbing from other movies and generally walking around the set with bored faces. The same "Like : whatEVER! I'm sooooo random!" b.s. Marvel can't seem to pull itself out of. See : trailer for THUNDERBOLTS.
@@vincelang3779 - Can't argue much with that. Hollywood has definitely lost its way. The writing is mostly garbage and they continue to rehash/remake older, more successful movies because they have no vision or creativity. And the constant virtue signaling crap makes me want to puke. My thinking was, despite this movie still looking fantastic (one of my favorites), we've come a long way since then, cinema/technology wise, and I'd love to see what a proper director and writer could do with this nowadays. If it was done right, with the right people, I still think it would be magnificent. If it was done with the people we currently have in Hollywood as some sort of lame rehash, yeah, I agree, it would suck pretty bad.
The foreshadowing in this movie is 🔥. Example: It's a cute moment when the little kid says "I'm doing my part too!" However, the final battle, when they're being supported by ACTUAL KIDS...😱
13:55 Very glad you brought that up Ari. Helldivers is massively inspired by Starship Troopers, the Hunter bugs there are essentially the drone bugs in this movie. Casper Van Died - Rico has been invited on numerous interviews just for his expressions and opinions of the game that's basically a tribute to the movie, and he loves it :D
I'm so glad you guys understood what the movie was going for ! That made the discussion afterwards very enjoyable ! Personally something I find fascinating is, theres no evidence that the bugs actually sent the asteroid that destroyed Buenos Aires. When they show where Earth is compared to the bug planets, they're very distant from each other and earlier they do bring up that the planet has defenses for stuff like that.
Yeah it's pretty much 100% certain that it was actually the Federation that sent the asteroid. Klendathu is on the other side of the Galaxy. It would have taken millions of years for an asteroid to reach Earth. Not to mention how tf you'd even calculate the trajectory.
and you can argue the ship making contact could have altered the trajectory of the asteroid in a minute way that at those distances could mean the difference between hitting earth or not
that issue with this is were applying know logic outside the of movie to logic inside the movie. The bugs have attacked humans and are violent towards humans. Yeah we only see one side of it but we dont see anything else that comes close to hinting that the federation is faking attacks inside the movie it is all trying to apply outside logic and thinking.
Starship Troopers was an iconic film that spawned a host of sequels (the 2nd one is pretty good), and inspired dozens of games and other films. Helldivers is one of those it inspired. Rico being declared K.I.A. was just an accidental clerical mistake in the paperwork. He was rescued by the Roughnecks offscreen and only suffered the leg injury.
I "get" that the film is in some way meant to be a criticism, but I do find myself agreeing that citizenship should be earned and carry more privilege than mere residence, nor should it be just granted at birth. I'm a US citizen and an immigrant, so to get mine I actually had to pass a background check, criminal history check, serve in the military, and pass a test on civics and history of the US. It bothers me that just because someone was born here (which by definition is not something they as a fetus could even influence), gets all the same rights even if they can't pass a civics test, have no grasp on history, or couldn't pass a background check to even sign a lease. I can guarantee politicians in this country would be a class above if only people who pay attention and do their research got to vote, instead of sheep going to the polling station and check a box next to D or R for a person whose name they've never seen.
@@allergictoliberalism true, what fascist nation allows free think, comradery, fair leaders and quitting the army? go watch a WW2 hardcore war movie and see how hellish even being within the reich was
It's worse when they are members of political parties, and embrace the ideals of this satire as desirable fact. And we both know why they did, don't we? *sharpens knives*
@@allergictoliberalism You just didn’t pay attention. It is a fascist military state one world government. You can’t vote unless you devote your life to the military. You also apparently missed Buenos Aires, Argentina being occupied by a bunch of rich white Americans. That shows you how the government expanded and took over the planet in the first place, and the consequences for the local population in non-white countries.
@@scottlette The majority of the people who voted for Trump did not watch a single one of his rallies, and have no idea what they voted for. But the people who follow his every move, love him and know what they voted for are white heterosexual Christians who cannot wait for this country to turn V for Vendetta into a documentary on January 20th.
I just love how you guys discuss these movies after watching them. It’s deep, yet entertaining and your opinions are expressed smartly and in a very balanced way. Keep up the great work, it’s a joy to rewatch some of my all time favorite flicks with you 🙂
Yeah so true. The discussions in detail at the end of movie reaction videos is probably the best part of watching movie reaction post and Media Knights is one of the best.
A female singer in a prom is Zoe Poledouris. She is a daughter of a music composer of this movie, Basil Poledouris, also known as a music composer of 'RoboCop', 'Hunt for Red October', 'Conan the Barbarian', 'Free Willy', 'Hot Shots! Part Deux' & etc...
Neil Patrick Harris's uniform was so on the nose as an SS officer that the production staff while making the movie started calling him Doogie Himmler. 😅
I remember watching this movie basically by accident. My father turned on the TV and it was just starting. I rolled my eyes but stayed. We couldn't believe how good it was❤ after that my father always called me to watch it together when it came on tv🎉
So awesome seeing people enjoying Paul Verhoeven. The book is not satire, but the movie makes changes that really work well for cinema! Interesting enough, the book was written in a few weeks in response to the possibility of stopping nuclear tests for the US. He doesn't glorify war though, but spends a lot of time in the book discussing morals and philosophy in regards to responsibility and citizenship etc. It also makes it clear that blindly serving is also not the answer, and gives examples of veterans standing up for good fights in society and how they handled it correctly.
@@jirpy10 I read this book a long time ago and checked it out of the school library in a very small town. When I heard about this movie, I wondered how they could have made an entertaining movie from it. This movie is entertaining but it's nothing like the book. The movie is really not that deep, but the book is in a very different way. Both are good but nothing alike in the questions that they put forth and how they fight their battles.
@@todub781The movie definitely leans harder in the satire and indoctrination angle, despite most people completely missing that when it was released...
Best hidden social/war/propaganda commentary in the cinema history. I'm pretty sure rating companies and journalist reviewers certanly didn't notice that in 1997. You both nailed it! Great reaction and review.
“Rico! You are relieved of squad command!” First thing dude says after watching someone’s head blown off in a training exercise 😂😂 literally the hero of the movie
You guys should check out the Adam Curtis documentary 'Century of the Self'. He covers Edward Bernays who is the guy who effectively created advertising as the peace time use for Propoganda and vice versa. Paul Verhoeven always plays on these themes so well in his films, and uses them to its maximum effect. His films are some of the true all time greats. Rich, vivid and alive.
Took a girl to see this on a date. Afterwards, she was semi catatonic. I literally had to take her arm and guide her out to the car. Turns out she had a paralyzing fear of bugs. I was dumped shortly after. Or as i say " On the Bounce!" #Bookreader
My uncle did that back in 97 as well, except he took a woman to see air force one, not realizing she had to take a flight for a conference a week later and had a massive fear of flying She was displeased to put it mildly
Most baffling fact about this movie : the visuals are just mindblowing perfect, and is still better then most of the stuff nowadays, and it's nearly 30 years old !
@@OfficialMediaKnights they spent $100 million making this movie, roughly $40 million more than Jurassic Park and making it one of the most expensive films ever made at that point. The studio gave the special effect houses enough time to do everything to the absolute best of their capabilities. Just like Universal and Jurassic Park.
This movie didn't had big budget, yet they pulled so many known Celebrities into it, CG was really impressive for it's time (better than what we're getting now), and the visual/practical effects are fantastic!
Sometimes if we step back and think of how a movie is interpreted by our minds and that is a direct result of those in charge, we can see where the money stops and the mind is responsible for our entertainment value. Verhoven understands value.
I am so sick of this seeing ridiculous comment about every older blockbuster. The film had a $100 million budget, it was one of the most expensive movies ever made at that point.
The bugs represent how humanity dehumanizes the enemy in war, bc it makes it much easier to commit atrocities and murder if their less than human, so far from it that they look "alien" like a bug. The humans in the movie are also like bugs themselves, they don't question authoritie and if they do they get a knife through their hand or a broken arm. They swarm in and invade, plus their armor is similar to that of a bug (look at how is segmented) Both Rico's and Carmen's soul mates died and they're basically stick with each other. Paul Verhoven based the Federation on Nazis, all grey uniforms, also when you see Carl again he's thinner and his face looks similar to a skull and he's wearing a uniform similar to a Nazi officer, the trench coat, symbolizing that he's basically "death". I recommend you check out the Making of Starship Troopers, it's fascinating that this movie even got made in 1997, I remember wanting to see it so badly back then and now it's one of my faves.
You guys are so great! I love how observant and sharp you are. It makes for such a better reaction. There are so many reactors that miss intended themes like this movie offers, and it becomes frustrating as viewers, but you guys NEVER miss. And yes, Johnny chose the wrong girl from the jump.
I became an instant Jake Busey fan for life from this movie haha. Such an intense look, and such a fun pivot from potential douchebag to absolute bro! The leer he gives as he plays the violin around them dancing is ICONIC.
I sat down at my desk to resume starship troopers Terran command 20 secs after remarking to myself that the media knights are probably my favorite reactors. I open RUclips to put something on in the background and this is the very first thing that popped up. Good to know I'm not the only one doing my part!
It's so great watching movies with smart people. You folks got all the important messages, even the more subtle ones. It's so frustrating when folks watch this, as you said, and are seeing literally rather than satire. Or sometimes they only get half the satire and are really confused. You two understood the assignment. Great job!
This may have already been mentioned, but I remember reading somewhere, possibly in Fangoria magazine, that when they shot the shower scene with all the actors being naked , Verhoven and the crew were also naked.
I was 10 the first time I saw this film and the satire went totally over my head, I remember thinking it was corny and badly written/acted (but with great gore, lol). The next viewing, I was older and really appreciated the commentary and humour of it. Enjoyed your commentary too, guys, thanks!
"He's gotta dig deep and figure out who he is...." When I heard that comment, I had to respond. Yes. And that's what too many people don't want to put in the work or are too afraid to find out. Man, I love this channel!
The enemy cannot push the button if you have disabled his hand! I mutter "would you like to know more?" at the TV any time I see something vaguely propagandistic.
I know you got the commentary but the back story is explained more in the video games etc. If you didn't catch the hint the starship troopers started the war. The space federation forcefully colonized the bug planets for land, resorts, new planets for the humans to live. They destroyed the bug homes and killed lots of them. The bugs were actually chill at first then got angry and retaliated. The propaganda and lies of the space federation just painted the bugs as savages who just attacked for no reason and just killing innocent people. The federation made anger and hatred towards the bugs ie the propaganda for everyone including kids killing the bugs when all they had to do was leave them alone. Of course the federation soldiers are dressed in Nazi like uniforms and are fascist for symbolism. Love the reaction. Glad y'all liked the movie
*Thanks for that confirmation: I always thought that story about the mormon colonizers was more antagonistic towards the bugs than the Federal Propaganda clip led on; but having never played the games (Or watched the sequels), I never had proof of it... Gotta love how Paul Verhoeven respects his audience enough to get the messages without handholding them (Even if many indeed did not get the whole message of this movie when it came out)*
What a wonderful breakdown, thank you so much for expanding that for us!! The film's message is abundantly clear once you pay attention, it's actually not even that subtle - it just gets all dressed up in the fancy stunts and colorful visuals, so at first you're so taken by that, it slips by you! Thank you so much for your support, we're so happy you enjoyed!
@@daniellanctot6548 you're welcome. Not spoiling but later movies and games etc. show and go into more detail about how evil the federation really is. The later is still focused on the bugs but they give subtle hints about and deep dives into the federation. Including how they treat their own people and others.
Yeah..the Dark Horse comics actually tell a great story about the Mormon outpost and another one about Rasczak past and his encounters w/ the bugs for the first time.
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lmao woke people and their gaslighting bullshit and sympathizing with literal murder bugs
Fun fact: during test screening, a lot of people left notes on Denise Richard’s character because they didn’t like how flirty she was with the other guy. The movie was heavily edited around Rico and Carmen due to the audiences dislike of her. Someone even left a note on their card after leaving the screening that just said “Die bitch”
Some people really did not understand her and Rico's character arc. The entire point is that the two are not meant to be together. They both find people who fit so much better to them.
@@fipse that is true, just like Robocop, people didn’t realize this film was a satire and took it all literally. But even after people got the message, it’s still said that Carmen is still the least liked character in the movie. At least she’s above that guy who got his brains sucked out. Damn brain sucking bugs
as someone from Argentina was crazy to watch this movie back then because why they were talking english in my country? and we got whipped out first haha
One thing that often goes unnoticed is that there's no real difference between Citizens and Civilians other than the right to vote. Rico's parents are Civilians, but they have a nice house and seem to be doing very well financially. They're not 2nd class/under class like you might think. It's an interesting, and probably unrealistic, bit of world-building. Great reaction, thanks!!!
I always thought of the Rico family as board member level affluence. Making weapons or such in support yet independent of the government. Carmen's family seems to be struggling.
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Civilian vs Citizen thing is based on Rome Republic
It's a holdover from the world of the book. The civilization in the books has no real discrimination. Civilians have all the rights of a citizen except for the right to vote and every civilian has a right to seek military service to earn that right to vote. The military does not turn people away based on race, religion, class, region of origin or even physical ability, the military will find something for them to do, and not every job in the military means combat.
@@Iymarra teacher, specifically for the required class "history and moral philosophy" was not a profession that you took to become a citizen, rather, it was a position that only citizens, not civilians were allowed to occupy. You're correct though in that there were other ways to gain citizenship, but they had to be dangerous and hard jobs, like testing out experimental mining equipment on some moon, not safe jobs like being a teacher.
I love the way yall break this movie down. I knew you’d understand the deeper meaning and love the movie. When this came out, people didn’t really understand the meaning, but now people know looking back at it. It’s also based on the book with the same name by Robert A. Heinlein from 1959! It’s a REALLY good book.
As I understand it, Paul Verhoeven was very proud of the fact that he couldn't make it through more than a few pages of the book, as it felt too fascist to him. But he liked the idea of satirizing that fascism, which this film does brilliantly. Yet at the same time, it _also_ works from that fascist perspective: the propaganda (though intentionally overdone) still works, the moral and civic philosophies the film puts forth *sound good.* It would be easy for this film to have a following like _Fight Club_ of people who buy into the supertext while completely ignoring the subtext. Especially just post-9/11 during the Global War on Terror, you could see the parallels quite clearly (film prescience is weird). . The fan theory I like a lot (but isn't overtly supported by the film) is that the asteroid attack on Buenos Aires was done by the government, not the Arachnids. Certainly, looking at the galactic map and the prevalent feeling among humanity that the bugs weren't capable of higher-level thought makes the idea that the Arachnids somehow redirected an asteroid literally ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE GALAXY to Earth a little hard to believe. But the Arachnids _are_ an interstellar species, so it's totally possible -- I just don't know how they convinced the public of it. . Yeah, lots to talk about with this film.
Jake Busey is the BEST! I met him a year ago at a horror con and got a selfie and an autograph. He called me a "Nut Buster" on the autograph and then asked if I wanted to know more? - love that man!
Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy, this has been one of my top 5 favourite movies for more than 20 years!!! My heart is pounding like crazy right now. Guys, I had a horrible day today and here you are ready to cheer me up. Thank you so much for that. 🥺
The moment everything clicked for me when I first watched the film was when Neil Patrick Harris showed up in that trench coat. I thought "oh that's why all the uniforms seemed familiar, yep the humans are the bad guys."
The grey and black uniforms. The Eagle insignia. The dehumanising of other races. The propaganda. Love this undertone. One love from Scotland. 💙 🦄🦁🏴
It's a cheesey classic & we love it when movies were fun;)And the black dude that stayed behind to sacrifice himself so they could get away is "Father Gabriel" from the Walking Dead,fun fact. I didnt realize it till I realized it;)
Saw this back in 2003, and I felt like it was made for me because funny enough: I was in high school, I had just gone through a breakup, was contemplating joining the military, and was learning about fascism in a literature class.
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if you think Federation is fascism you are brainwashed by your blue haired teachers.
Awesome reaction guys! Love that you looked beyond the surface and ventured down the rabbit hole. This movie is one of the best commentaries on weaponized propaganda and the power of fanaticism, right up there with the likes of Dune. One little detail to note - both of the high school teachers shown, as well as the recruitment officer (all Citizens), are also all war amputees. "I'm doing my part!"
For me, the best part of this film has always been that it was such a clever satire, it almost crosses the line and doesn’t seem like a satire at all. I know so many people who had absolutely no idea that it was supposed to be as deeply funny as it was.
@@colvamoon6962Yeah shame this comment section seems to still be one of those where the ‘MeDiA lItErAcY’ crowd is unexposed to pushback from people who have actually read the book
@@ProtossWannabe1984 hell, I haven't even read the book, but I know that the Federation in this movie isn't the type of government Paul tried to satirize.
Paul Verhoeven admitted to not reading the book, which counterintuitively made the movie into a quirky gem. Starship Troopers(book) is about self sacrifice, moral development, discipline, finding something larger than yourself, etc The screenplay is relatively well adapted, you can see it in the bones of the movie, but Paul Verhoeven painted everything Nazi. As a kid the it just felt like a badass guns and monsters movie with something silly about it. Having read the book, the joy is seeing the collision of opposing themes.
@@lobachevscki Except that by every definition it's a liberal democracy with specific ways to earn franchizement written by radical libertarian- probably the furthest thing you could be from a fascist but sure
@JJDumbface Thank you! God, it's so rare to find people who ACTUALLY get the real deep irony of the movie. In an attempt to make the most cartoonishly fascist movie ever, Verhoeven constructed one of the least fascist societies. Most seem to see it as an indictment of imperialism and think "Oh I get it 🥴 it's duh Notsees!" No 😩 it's not. And the concepts at play deserve better reflection than to be written off as such. Those who are willing to sacrifice their lives for the security of the nation should have the sole right to call the shots, because they have proven they are willing to actually defend it and die for it.
@@lobachevscki In a fascist society you would not have two different classes. One the idea that one has to earn the right to be a citizen is not a fascist belief. Earning rights are values of a liberal society based on merit and individual choice/freedom. No one was required to serve, but choosing to serve granted privileges that those who did not serve could not enjoy. There is no individualism in fascist society. One could say this is more like the Roman Empire or Napoleonic France. Also the evil National Socialism (WW2 Germany) was not fascist. Fascist was Italy that does not mean that fascism is good but they are two different things. This is why you can have fascist jews in Italy while in Germany. I suggest people read up on Idealism and Fascism.
Just about to get into this reaction and just wanted to make a few comments. I remember seeing this in the theater when it was first released and was surprised by the negative reaction it received but realized that people just didn't understand what it was really about and trying to achieve. The biggest surprise I had though was reading the book afterwards and seeing just how different the two were. I am honestly surprised they were even allowed to keep the title of Starship Troopers with how different they are. If you guys are into reading, I would suggest giving it a read.
You should check out the 3d animated series "Roughnecks: The Starship Troopers chronicles". its alot closer to the book then the movie is, and even features the other alien species from the book the film leaves out.
Here's a fun fan theory: The Asteroid that hit Earth was going to miss, but was deflected by being hit by the ship Carmen was piloting, a ship that wouldn't have been in the path of said asteroid if she hadn't modified the nav. Ergo, Carmen is the reason the bugs were attacked.
The other theory is, the asteroid was sent by the Federation to justify their war. It was meant to strike a less inhabited area (like the ocean), but didn't because of the collision. But for it to hit her hometown? What are the odds :p
@@ringsaphire @spikejnz Well, you are both wrong. 1. The Asteroid was intentionally sent to earth and wasn't 'deflected' despite what logic would normally dictate (stupid i know, but its true). 2. The Bugs did send the asteroid, not the Federation. Source? Veerhovens own interview/extended commentary where he confirms that the Bugs did send the asteroid to hit earth.
Yes he's hank from breaking bad but he's also one of the Mutants in the bar in Total Recall. "You've got a lot of nerver showing your face around here Howser"
To add to the messages you already saw: look how the humans treat each other. Deliberately injuring recruits during training. Administration Punishment is literally whipping. Mandatory mass televised executions. We're not only cruel to the bugs, humanity does it to each other
29:52 I recently came across a comment that said Zim (Mr. Krabs’ voice actor) ripping up Rico’s paper work in front of his superior is what got Zim demoted to a combative role resulting in his heroic performance at the end 💡🧠
If I remember correctly, his superior intentionally turned his back to turn a blind eye to it, "allowing" Zim to reinstitute Rico. It was just not shown here due to a cut. Also, I do recall reading somewhere that Zim wanted to get to the front, but as they wouldn't allow him due to him being a valuable drill sergeant, he eventually resigned and got himself demoted to private just so that he could be deployed.
@@kortov7756yep, this is the correct reasoning. His superior even said, “the only way you’ll see combat is if you [voluntarily] bust yourself back down to private”
@@kortov7756 Zim: "I want to see combat" Superior: "The only way you're going to see combat is if you bust your ass to private... do you get me?" Zim: "Yes sir." said while maintaining eye contact. I think it's why Zim ripped it up, Rico was in the same boat, but he could do something about it.
@@Creaform003 That is perfectly great of a suggestion, but I cannot really justify it as what occured. Whilst it could certainly lead to Zim getting demoted due to overstepping his position, it would also mean that Rico is in fact out of the army; Zim getting legally sanctioned for tearing down his approved discharge form would automatically mean said form exists in validity and still has to be enacted, with Rico discharged rather than deployed. The officer in charge has to pick one of the two.
@@kortov7756 I don't think it was ripping up the note that got him busted down. But I think his reason for ripping it up is because he was in the same spot.
He also played the coroner on the original *CSI,* the one set in Vegas. His prosthetic legs were never hidden, but they mostly were just taken as matter-of-fact. There was an episode or two, though, that really showed what the character (and the actor!) had to live with, day to day, as a double amputee.
the film actually used a number of people that had missing limbs, its how they were able to make some of the soldiers getting their arms and legs ripped off look so realistic.
Which was itself a reuse of WH40K assets. Zerg = Tyranids, and Terrans = Space Marines :P in this the MI is basically like the Imperial Guard, just regular men and women with flak armor and a basic rifle.
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Ironically, the novel isn't really a parody/satire, although it also doesn't have the direct allusions to the Reich. That was a deliberate Verhoeven choice. Heinlein had.....opinions. Not surprising, given the religion he founded.
Love your love for Robocop ❤
Saw this opening day. And, yeah, it's not just another action movie... it's got some satirical teeth to it. Which was impressive considering the book it's based on... where the whole Citizen and colonialism aspect is totally serious (the author legit believed it). Your insight into _Full Metal Jacket_ and this was excellent! Never thought about it that way, but you got something there. Very cool. (And why I love your channel).
I expected more people to say this in the comments, but I didn’t see anybody but hell divers is a starship troopers game
Please react to a movie called How To Make Millions Before Grandma Dies. It's a Thai movie, it centered around a young male who, after received news that his grandma got diagnosed with cancer, decided to take care of his grandma while he himself trying to secure his inheritance from his grandma.
This movie is a seriously tear-jerker movie, full of family-themed lessons and, I can dare to say, this movie is a lot better than any family movies that you've ever seen or reacted before.
I got to meet Casper Van Dien earlier this year and he is so cool. He signed my Johnny Rico Funko Pop. He wrote "welcome to the Roughnecks on it"
I just watched his Helldiver 2 reaction and honestly it is fucked up how god damn good looking he is then AND now haha.
That's legit so cool!!!
You can also fight with him in the SSTs game
RICO'S ROUGHNECKS
*OOH*
I can confirm, he is a top guy, I speak to him everyday and such a humble amazing man.
*Likes video
"I'm doing my part."
im doing my part too!
Hell yeah y'all!! We're all doing our parts round here!
I did my part too
"MEDIC!!!"
You apes want to live forever.
The movie aged like fine wine.
movies great.. an adaptation? ..not so much..
@@StayFractalesque Yea, the book is pretty different and way more serious, but still I love both.
@@ryanhampson673 I actually like it when the book and the movie adaption is pretty different but great separately. Jurassic Park is very different from the book but stands on its own, for example.
@@audreyday5962 apparently the director read like one chapter and went “nah” he hated the book and made the movie into a satire. But it’s still great.
@@ryanhampson673 I read the book. They're completely different. The movie is a lot more fun!
'Going to Harvard is going to cost an arm and a leg, so the mobile infantry will pay my way' , he says, laughing and smiling. Brilliant!
And Rico basically woulda got in only through his dad’s money and nepotism 😅 kinda mirrors real life
Whoa! I never noticed the foreshadowing of his words.
I absolutely loved the discussion after the reaction. You guys absolutely nailed it. This is why you guys are great. You see the parallels, you don’t get distracted by the ooohh and aaahhs of the cgi, you really pay attention to the story and what Paul Verhoven did with this story.
As a young teen I thought Carmen was gorgeous. Maturing as an adult is realizing Dizz is the better choice for Rico over Carmen because she pushes him to be better not just because she’s into him unlike “for the streets” Carmen.
I can't say her relationship with Sheen helped her in my own eyes IRL and is one of the reasons I don't want to know personal details of actors because - baggage.
Dizz is for Rico what Ursula is for Peter Parker
Carmen is beautiful ❤
If Denise Richards were Aphrodite, then Dina Meyer was Athena, my preference by far.
I have made similar comments on reactions to this movie :D Carmen was stunning to me back when I first saw this on release but over the years it has definitely been Dizz that has grown in her attractiveness to me.
Rico's character development was so good. The chemistry between him and his squad mates was always one of my favorite aspects of the movie.
Guy is surrounded by absolute bros. Zim as the hard-as-nails but fair instructor, Ace is the friend we all need - loyal and a complete goofball, Sugar who's got his back even as he's down on the floor gutted like a fish and even Raczak knows to give him and Dizzy some extra time because who knows if they're around tomorrow.
I wish for everybody to have those type of people around them.
I wouldnt call it a good characters arc. Its basically a cycle that Will always end in death. They are literally losing The war.
but, he was a drone soldier fall in line type from the get-go.. ??? ..
bleech, this comment section always gives me cancer..
@@StayFractalesquehe wasn’t though. He’s first presented as a bit more of a free thinker, or at least ambivalent about his society. He’s not really taking school propaganda seriously, and when asked if he believes the lessons he’s not sure and hasn’t made up his mind. He’s a highly competitive jock, but he’s sentimental and wants a committed relationship. He joins the military to chase after his love interest, not because he’s “falling in line,” and he realizes that too, telling his parents he’s been an idiot and wanting to come home. It’s the reversal of fortunes and circumstances, the rewards that seem to come from compliance, and the exposure to “men of character” who nevertheless do brutal things that radicalizes Rico into falling in line.
The whole point of it is him having opposite character development lol. In the beginning Rico has inclines of 'maybe this isn't the way we should be doing things'. By the end he's a full blown brainwashed soldier willing to fight to the death for the very system who very likely killed his parents, not the bugs. The movie's super in your face about the Nazi fascist tones with the "protagonists", down to NPH basically being dressed as a full blown SS officer by the end lol. The movie's a total satire on militarization. I love the movie forsure lol, but it's definitely misunderstood...
Many people didnt get this movie when it came out. Over the years its turned into a cult classic and people get it.
It's definitely that kind of film that can be misconstrued or misunderstood - but if you look closely, it's so clear what it's trying to say!! It absolutely deserves the cult classic label!
I loved it when it came out. I was 10/11 years old.
So many people still don't, it's crazy! It's the same thing with the Helldivers II game.
Almost everyone "got it" when it came out because they had seen Robocop. The ones who didn't were millennials who saw it as kids, which is fair enough, but this narrative you're putting forward years later is completely false.
iirc this movie even spawned a 3D animated tv series airing when I was kid. But it played the action adventure straight losing all the commentary the movie had
This movie is the perfect encapsulation of the quote "War does not determine who is right. Only who is left."
So the bugs are right?
which matters in the end?
The humans were clearly in the right since they were attacked first
Fun fact: the cadet that left after she accidentally shot the other in head. Both of them have been married for years after the movie in real life.
she married the guy she shot in the head? Ha!
@@gjhoward GOT SHOT THROUGH THE ~~heart~~ HEAD
AND YOU'RE TOO LATE
Or how that song goes 😂
One hell of a story to tell your kids.
"So how did you meet Daddy?"
"Well you see, I once shot Daddy in the face..."
Well, she already laid down the law that she was willing to shoot him if he got out of line 😂😂
@agp11001 Don't worry he got better 😂
The CG in this movie is absolutely incredible. The leap from Jurassic Park with a handful of shots to this - just 4 years later - where there are THOUSANDS of CG creatures is stunning.
And like JP it's the time and care and attention to detail that makes it look so damn good.
Jurassic Park had more than a handful of shots lol.
true! ..im pretty sure each of those bugs was hand animated too, that it wasnt until LoTR that crowds could be mass produced by way of procedural CGI that looked as good as this..
Fun fact: JP actually helped get the vfx in the movie to look the way they do. JP had been the transition point at ILM from puppets to digital. but the animators were used to do digital effects, only stop motion and animatronics. to get around that they created the D.I.D. or Dinosaur input Device. it was literally a puppet they could animated like stop motion, but it was rigged with sensors connected to the computer, allowing them to animate the 3d dinosaurs like you would stop motion.
For this movie, they took the D.I.D (renamed digital input device) and modified to not just look like the bugs, but since technology had progress, they could actually animate it in real time like a hand puppet. (instead of just move a little, click a button to save it, move a little more, click, etc) so they could do complex animation then just save the entire this.
the bugs looked good, but i'm still amazed by the design, look and feel of all space scenes
@@GregoryStock-g3r they spent $100 million on making this movie, in 1997. Even Jurassic Park only cost $60 million.
Hero or villain ... the only thing I know is that for 27 years, every time I step on a bug, I think "The only good bug is a dead bug!"
hahaha 🤣
I find myself saying “I’m doing my part!”
😂😂😂 💯
You are all heroes of the federation 😂
Villian ...
I actually got to ask Xander's actor a couple of questions in an early, *early* online chat forum. He mentioned that the robotic Xander was extremely disturbing because the puppeteers kept making it look at him while he'd walk around the set. And that his favorite scene in the movie is the base attack scene on P because it was Paul Verhoven's tribute to the film Zulu.
That prick stole Kelly Kapowski and I never forgave him for it..
Ya mean "Zuuuluuuuuuuuuuuuu!"? 😃 One love from Scotland.
💙 🦄🦁🏴
You guys are the BEST film/movie reviewers on YT imo. Always so positive/fun and fair. So many people of your age group on YT also reviewing films don't seem to be able to show normal emotions during watching certain scenes in films, which is what we watch for, to see if the scenes affect others in a similar way. No matter the scene they just keep trying to come out with funny/sarcastic/empty thoughts and even laughing at sad deaths. You always get this stuff right and it's always great to see you both be genuinely moved at times from the film scenes. Huge fan!
This is the first time I've watched a video of theirs and on one of my favorite movies. I thought their commentary and they way they actually watched it was very refreshing
This reminds you to Helldivers because the ex CEO and founder of Helldivers studio wanted to make his dream Starship Troopers game and that is Helldivers 2.
Something important about that is that Sony has the rights to every kind of Starship Troopers media outside the publication of the book (this is based in a book) and Sony is also owner of Helldivers so both franchises can exists without legal problems because they come from the same owner.
Casper Van Dien the actor who plays Rico was very vocal about how much he liked Helldivers 2 when the game became one of the big hits of this year.
I'm honestly in disbelief that Ari, as a Helldivers 2 player, didn't seem to expect the extreme resemblance, because I felt like that was ALL I WAS HEARING about it when the game was blowing up big time haha. I guess having seen the movie I latched onto all the comparisons, and having not seen it he didn't really hang on to that connection.
Helldivers 2 is such a fun game. I get immersed in the universe.
Casper also played the game while sharing the video
I am a huge fan of the book this is based on, by Robert Heinlein. One thing I was disappointed in not seeing in the movie was, the mechanized suits. I felt like they missed a huge opportunity since Rico et al were literally members of the "Mechanized Infantry". My oldest plays a lot of online games and Mech Warrior is his favorite. I know so little about the games--did the movie come out before the Mech Warrior? Maybe that explains the movie not capitalizing on that, so the animation just wasn't there yet. Is Helldivers 2 a "mech warrior" type game? Just curious, I'm not a gamer.
@@Doxymeister I've heard it said that due to budget constraints they could either have the suits or the bugs, and while I also would have loved to have seen the mech suits as described in the book, I think Verhoeven choose correctly for this movie.
Also @mariosoriano4650 Sony doesn't own Helldivers 2, they're just the publisher. Arrowhead retained the rights to the IP.
A quote that fit well with this movie :
“It says here in this history book that luckily, the good guys have won every single time. What are the odds?” -Norm MacDonald
just like who really won WW2, what a coincidence!
Reported to the ADL
It's a heavy dose of irony then that Verhoeven ignored the thrust of the novel to rewrite the script as a satire on facism. But the movie is way more popular than the book...
@@saviourself687 The book is exceptional. The philosophy in it is awesome - a really good mix of action and philosophy, and it has helped shaped the way I view the world. Unfortunately, I can't say that about much of Heinlein's other work!
yeah thing is... the bugs really ARE the agressors in the conflict, not seeing humans as sentient beings by their metrics. So the bugs throwing the rock at humanity, and attacks on the bugs being for the safety of humanity are in fact NOT propaganda.
One of my most favorite reactions from you guys. I loved how I could see on Denise's face when she started really questioning things and how dark it gets lol. Hands down my favorite Verhoeven movie. The man's a genius.
Thank you so so much, that's such a huge compliment! He truly is a genius in his storytelling!
Also loll, I started feeling SO uneasy, and of course as per usual, my face betrays me 😂
@@OfficialMediaKnights Dude, that's 70% of why 90% of us watch your channel. All respect to Ari, of course.
That was hilarious. "What a whiplash..."
And Denise immediately turns with a smirk and starts to laugh.
"...in terms of tone."
Unintentional puns are the best! My wife and I used to notice and laugh when our daughter would have an unintentional pun, and she HATED it!
"COME ON YOU APES, YOU WANNA LIVE FOREVER!?!?" Is one of my favorite lines of all time lmao. Just because of how he delivers in while in that environment. SO epic.
U might wanna check out the fat electrician's video of the most gangster marine of all time dan daily he said that to his marines in the battle of belleau woods in ww1
I always snort at the asteroid scene when the captain compliments Zander and Carmen for preventing a full head-on crash by their quick reaction and due to their skill. Carmen looked so smug and pleased with herself - when it was her who brought them into the path of the asteroid in the first place by changing their course of her own volition, after only being on the ship for three weeks and without even telling anyone about it.
True, however how could she have predicted that streamlining the route and being efficient would lead them to a completely unforseeable event, that asteroid could have just as easily been in their original path before the changes.
Yeah really. Thats like taking a huge shit on someones face, but then bragging about how you're such a gentleman because you helped wipe their face clean.
It's a deeper scene to show how smart the bugs are. Carmen reprograms the ship to the optimal course, the optimal course the bugs already had the asteroid on.
Insubordination resulting in a damage to federal property, requiring a complete refit of a sensor array on a federal starship. That´s 10 lashes, plus another 10 a day after!
@@stuka80 she would have react in time if she was doing her job and not getting on with zander
All this time (saw this in the theater) I NEVER caught the Shijumi foreshadowing "my father said it would cost an arm and a leg" - and then he gets immediately dismembered. Wow.
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Thank u for making my day better
From a cancer survivor keep fighting and praying for good health soon
Keep fighting and stay positive m8
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Dina Meyer my 90's crush since the precursor to the matrix, Johnny Mnemonic.
And damn, she really held up over all those years, especially compared to Denise Richards.
Always thought Dina was very beautiful. Also from the start of this movie I rooted for Dizzy and Johnny to end up together. So disappointing how that ended.
She was mine, too.
First movie i remember her from was Dragonheart, and I was crushing hard on her in that one as well.
She’s hot af in Star Trek nemesis too as a Romulan 🖖🏼
One really interesting thing most people don't get is the movie version is completely opposite of the tone and philosophy of the book it's based on, yet still works. The 90's CGI cartoon "The Roughneck Chronicles" is halfway between the book and the movie and is another extremely well done take on the story that's way better than a forgotten kids show has any right to be.
It is funny how the teacher told Rico, that making your own decisions is the one freedom everyone truly has. And then Rico actually doesn't make ANY decision by himself (except for once, and then it was a disaster). He is just thrown into or coerces himself to.
Going Harvard: his dad
Going service: Carmen
Becoming squad leader: Dizzy
Becoming corporal: Raszak
Having sex with Dizzy: Raszak
Killing Raszak: Raszak
Becoming Lieutenant: Carl
Finding Carmen: Carl
Where did he make his own decision: Removing the M3 helmet from a squadmate during a live fire exercise.
He didn't actually asked or aspired for any of this. He is also completely unoriginal (just cloning his former Lieutenant). He is the ultimate grunt.
This movie is absolute genius
I actually saw this as a teenager when it first came to theaters. It was just a fun space movie to me then. I saw it again after college and this was post 9/11 and all the media and government was pushing the WAR on Terror and the war in Iraq. I definitely got the subtext and how deep this film actually is.
Exactly. This version of earth doesn’t just feature a one world government where one body controls the entire planet, it’s also a fascist military state. Not being able to vote unless you devote your life to the military? Horrifying and reprehensible. A further bit of commentary that goes over people’s heads is Buenos Aires, Argentina being populated by what we would call a bunch of rich white Americans. This is a hint at how this world government expanded and took over the planet in the first place, and the consequences thereof for the local populations in countries that were not traditionally white.
I saw it on a gigantic screen with thunderous sound. It's style has been imitated so much it's part of the Hollywood bloodstream now (that and ROBOCOP) so it's impossible for young'uns to comprehend how frakking HARD the gore and violence hit back in the day : it was gruesome as only foreign (TETSUO II : BODY HAMMER comes to mind,) or low-budget horror movies (10 000 MANIACS) were.
It stayed with me for days.
The director confirmed that the bugs sent the meteor. You are reading into it to an extent where your imagination runs way too wild
@@PDC19871. The federation is moderately militarist, to the extent to any regular real world country. 2. The federation is a democracy, not a fascist society. 3. The race thing is for convenience, the whites didn’t take over the world
@ wrong on all counts
Fun Fact: the design of the main Arachnids was actually an alternate design for the Shriekers in _Tremors 2: Aftershocks_ that they didn't use due to being limited by their budget. But Tippet Studio (which worked on both films) decided to use the design for this film.
Oh wow! Still gotta check “Tremors” out but that is a cool tidbit of info, thanks for sharing!
@@OfficialMediaKnightsTremors is awesome, it's a comedy horror, JAWS on land.
@@OfficialMediaKnights tremors is a amazing franchise.
7 movies with crazy lore and the monsters are crazy looking.
They even got a tv show of one season.
@@Richardwho-vv5bh There are 4 movies and a TV series.That is all.
@@thewatcher3429 nope, 7 movies, the last 3 only for dvd, and actually the last one made me cry.
RIP to the GOAT.
This movie never gets old. Considering this was 1997, can you imagine what a proper Helldivers movie would be like in 2025? Freaking epic!!
Today's Hollywood? Johnny would be a trans-woman of color and all the "bugs" would be straight, white, males.
It would suck. Everything that makes STARSHIP TROOPERS work has *_nothing_* to do with the bugs : Verhoeven could have made the same exact movie with zombies, or robots, or demons, or demonic SS officers who are zombie robots.
Considering how Hollywood has lost any and all ability to tell coherent stories, I would have zero hope of anything remotely this intense getting made : we would end up with a fancy tech demo full of GenZ actors spouting pithy lines, smugly lecturing the audience on social issues, cribbing from other movies and generally walking around the set with bored faces.
The same "Like : whatEVER! I'm sooooo random!" b.s. Marvel can't seem to pull itself out of. See : trailer for THUNDERBOLTS.
@@vincelang3779 - Can't argue much with that. Hollywood has definitely lost its way. The writing is mostly garbage and they continue to rehash/remake older, more successful movies because they have no vision or creativity. And the constant virtue signaling crap makes me want to puke.
My thinking was, despite this movie still looking fantastic (one of my favorites), we've come a long way since then, cinema/technology wise, and I'd love to see what a proper director and writer could do with this nowadays. If it was done right, with the right people, I still think it would be magnificent. If it was done with the people we currently have in Hollywood as some sort of lame rehash, yeah, I agree, it would suck pretty bad.
The foreshadowing in this movie is 🔥. Example: It's a cute moment when the little kid says "I'm doing my part too!" However, the final battle, when they're being supported by ACTUAL KIDS...😱
13:55 Very glad you brought that up Ari. Helldivers is massively inspired by Starship Troopers, the Hunter bugs there are essentially the drone bugs in this movie. Casper Van Died - Rico has been invited on numerous interviews just for his expressions and opinions of the game that's basically a tribute to the movie, and he loves it :D
I'm so glad you guys understood what the movie was going for ! That made the discussion afterwards very enjoyable ! Personally something I find fascinating is, theres no evidence that the bugs actually sent the asteroid that destroyed Buenos Aires. When they show where Earth is compared to the bug planets, they're very distant from each other and earlier they do bring up that the planet has defenses for stuff like that.
Yeah it's pretty much 100% certain that it was actually the Federation that sent the asteroid. Klendathu is on the other side of the Galaxy. It would have taken millions of years for an asteroid to reach Earth. Not to mention how tf you'd even calculate the trajectory.
and you can argue the ship making contact could have altered the trajectory of the asteroid in a minute way that at those distances could mean the difference between hitting earth or not
Oh wow how did I not get that until today, decades later, thankyou!
that issue with this is were applying know logic outside the of movie to logic inside the movie. The bugs have attacked humans and are violent towards humans. Yeah we only see one side of it but we dont see anything else that comes close to hinting that the federation is faking attacks inside the movie it is all trying to apply outside logic and thinking.
In the book it was made very clear it was a bug attack. Remember that Verhoeven said he didn't read the book, so the movie is wildly inaccurate.
Starship Troopers was an iconic film that spawned a host of sequels (the 2nd one is pretty good), and inspired dozens of games and other films. Helldivers is one of those it inspired.
Rico being declared K.I.A. was just an accidental clerical mistake in the paperwork. He was rescued by the Roughnecks offscreen and only suffered the leg injury.
CGI movies were awesome too
I "get" that the film is in some way meant to be a criticism, but I do find myself agreeing that citizenship should be earned and carry more privilege than mere residence, nor should it be just granted at birth.
I'm a US citizen and an immigrant, so to get mine I actually had to pass a background check, criminal history check, serve in the military, and pass a test on civics and history of the US. It bothers me that just because someone was born here (which by definition is not something they as a fetus could even influence), gets all the same rights even if they can't pass a civics test, have no grasp on history, or couldn't pass a background check to even sign a lease.
I can guarantee politicians in this country would be a class above if only people who pay attention and do their research got to vote, instead of sheep going to the polling station and check a box next to D or R for a person whose name they've never seen.
Thank god you got the deeper meaning. Some reactors dont and I feel bad for the creators.
Paul Verhoven didn't even understand what he was trying to make 😂 he created the least fascist satirically "fascist" society
@@allergictoliberalism true, what fascist nation allows free think, comradery, fair leaders and quitting the army? go watch a WW2 hardcore war movie and see how hellish even being within the reich was
It's worse when they are members of political parties, and embrace the ideals of this satire as desirable fact. And we both know why they did, don't we? *sharpens knives*
@@allergictoliberalism You just didn’t pay attention. It is a fascist military state one world government. You can’t vote unless you devote your life to the military. You also apparently missed Buenos Aires, Argentina being occupied by a bunch of rich white Americans. That shows you how the government expanded and took over the planet in the first place, and the consequences for the local population in non-white countries.
@@scottlette The majority of the people who voted for Trump did not watch a single one of his rallies, and have no idea what they voted for. But the people who follow his every move, love him and know what they voted for are white heterosexual Christians who cannot wait for this country to turn V for Vendetta into a documentary on January 20th.
The VFX team did such a great job with the bugs. They still hold up so well. And the combination of practical and cgi just again shows why it’s king.
Haven't even watched it yet, but HELL YES. I saw Media Knight and Starship Troopers and instantly clicked! I love you two!
You have grown to be my absolute favorite reactors🎉
Did you notice the biology teacher during training? It is Eddi-Rue McClanahan, better known as Blanche Devereaux from the Golden Girls😊
fun fact: the captain of the roger young is also the sexy nurse of the plastic surgeon in Spaceballs
I just love how you guys discuss these movies after watching them. It’s deep, yet entertaining and your opinions are expressed smartly and in a very balanced way. Keep up the great work, it’s a joy to rewatch some of my all time favorite flicks with you 🙂
That means a lot to us! Thank you for listening to the discussion and for the love and support ❤️
@@OfficialMediaKnightsyou are the Best reactions channel ever! Watch The Warriors 1979, it is a cult clássic!
Yeah so true. The discussions in detail at the end of movie reaction videos is probably the best part of watching movie reaction post and Media Knights is one of the best.
A female singer in a prom is Zoe Poledouris.
She is a daughter of a music composer of this movie, Basil Poledouris,
also known as a music composer of 'RoboCop', 'Hunt for Red October',
'Conan the Barbarian', 'Free Willy', 'Hot Shots! Part Deux' & etc...
Basil Poledouris also composed the Conan the Barbarian soundtrack
@@nessaarandur7740 And "Hunt for Red October", i think.
@@balli7836You are right my friend, another clássic
Honestly up there with my favourite films of all time, it’s just so whacky and the effects are excellent for the time and still hold up pretty well
So so true, this film is fantastic!! We did not expect it to be this amazing, especially its effects and social commentary!
Neil Patrick Harris's uniform was so on the nose as an SS officer that the production staff while making the movie started calling him Doogie Himmler. 😅
I remember watching this movie basically by accident. My father turned on the TV and it was just starting. I rolled my eyes but stayed. We couldn't believe how good it was❤ after that my father always called me to watch it together when it came on tv🎉
So awesome seeing people enjoying Paul Verhoeven. The book is not satire, but the movie makes changes that really work well for cinema! Interesting enough, the book was written in a few weeks in response to the possibility of stopping nuclear tests for the US. He doesn't glorify war though, but spends a lot of time in the book discussing morals and philosophy in regards to responsibility and citizenship etc. It also makes it clear that blindly serving is also not the answer, and gives examples of veterans standing up for good fights in society and how they handled it correctly.
The book was quite interesting. Not very much action, but it certainly gave a lot to think about.
@LordEsel88 Many military libraries have it
For a long time it was required reading at West Point.
@@jirpy10 I read this book a long time ago and checked it out of the school library in a very small town. When I heard about this movie, I wondered how they could have made an entertaining movie from it. This movie is entertaining but it's nothing like the book. The movie is really not that deep, but the book is in a very different way. Both are good but nothing alike in the questions that they put forth and how they fight their battles.
@@todub781The movie definitely leans harder in the satire and indoctrination angle, despite most people completely missing that when it was released...
Ah yes, Helldivers the movie. 💜
This is the prequel.
We actually need that movie to happen, like for real!
Previously “Zerg rush: the movie”
@@merchillio years ago I would said a Starcraft movie ...hell yeah....but nowadays...I think they would just butcher it :).
FOR DEMOCRACYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Best hidden social/war/propaganda commentary in the cinema history. I'm pretty sure rating companies and journalist reviewers certanly didn't notice that in 1997. You both nailed it! Great reaction and review.
LOL,.it's only hidden if you are unaware. We understood the commentary.
"hidden", uh huh whaaa?? ..bruh, tell me you havent read the source material wirhout telling me you havent re-..
@@bohem5568 I've seen dozens of reaction to this movie at this point and many of reactors didn't catch it at all...
@@DavidBusa That only speaks in general to the people of today.
I remember the reviews and stuff back in the day when this came out. SO MANY people completely missed the satire, it was insane.
“Rico! You are relieved of squad command!” First thing dude says after watching someone’s head blown off in a training exercise 😂😂 literally the hero of the movie
You guys should check out the Adam Curtis documentary 'Century of the Self'. He covers Edward Bernays who is the guy who effectively created advertising as the peace time use for Propoganda and vice versa. Paul Verhoeven always plays on these themes so well in his films, and uses them to its maximum effect. His films are some of the true all time greats. Rich, vivid and alive.
Took a girl to see this on a date.
Afterwards, she was semi catatonic.
I literally had to take her arm and guide her out to the car.
Turns out she had a paralyzing fear of bugs.
I was dumped shortly after.
Or as i say " On the Bounce!"
#Bookreader
You did your part.
@@samellowery Actually, I'd like to learn more.
My uncle did that back in 97 as well, except he took a woman to see air force one, not realizing she had to take a flight for a conference a week later and had a massive fear of flying
She was displeased to put it mildly
You probably saved yourself. She was going to go career.
@@JS-wp4gs Hysterical!!!
Most baffling fact about this movie : the visuals are just mindblowing perfect, and is still better then most of the stuff nowadays, and it's nearly 30 years old !
Right?! We are floored by how incredible this looked considering how long ago this came out!
@@OfficialMediaKnights they spent $100 million making this movie, roughly $40 million more than Jurassic Park and making it one of the most expensive films ever made at that point. The studio gave the special effect houses enough time to do everything to the absolute best of their capabilities. Just like Universal and Jurassic Park.
This movie didn't had big budget, yet they pulled so many known Celebrities into it, CG was really impressive for it's time (better than what we're getting now), and the visual/practical effects are fantastic!
Sometimes if we step back and think of how a movie is interpreted by our minds and that is a direct result of those in charge, we can see where the money stops and the mind is responsible for our entertainment value. Verhoven understands value.
Actually the movie did have a big budget. It had a budget of 100-110 million
True . Sst 2 and 3 were lowlow budget@@blueblur2273
I am so sick of this seeing ridiculous comment about every older blockbuster. The film had a $100 million budget, it was one of the most expensive movies ever made at that point.
The bugs represent how humanity dehumanizes the enemy in war, bc it makes it much easier to commit atrocities and murder if their less than human, so far from it that they look "alien" like a bug.
The humans in the movie are also like bugs themselves, they don't question authoritie and if they do they get a knife through their hand or a broken arm. They swarm in and invade, plus their armor is similar to that of a bug (look at how is segmented)
Both Rico's and Carmen's soul mates died and they're basically stick with each other. Paul Verhoven based the Federation on Nazis, all grey uniforms, also when you see Carl again he's thinner and his face looks similar to a skull and he's wearing a uniform similar to a Nazi officer, the trench coat, symbolizing that he's basically "death".
I recommend you check out the Making of Starship Troopers, it's fascinating that this movie even got made in 1997, I remember wanting to see it so badly back then and now it's one of my faves.
You guys are so great! I love how observant and sharp you are. It makes for such a better reaction. There are so many reactors that miss intended themes like this movie offers, and it becomes frustrating as viewers, but you guys NEVER miss.
And yes, Johnny chose the wrong girl from the jump.
The only good bug is a dead bug! 😂 I literally quote this movie constantly. Let's gooooooo
Me too!
Would you like to know more
I wish Jake Busey's would be more prominent in movies like his pops Gary. He has both Comedic and psychological chops.
I became an instant Jake Busey fan for life from this movie haha. Such an intense look, and such a fun pivot from potential douchebag to absolute bro! The leer he gives as he plays the violin around them dancing is ICONIC.
This and Frighteners are my favourite roles of his
Tomcats anyone‽
I sat down at my desk to resume starship troopers Terran command 20 secs after remarking to myself that the media knights are probably my favorite reactors. I open RUclips to put something on in the background and this is the very first thing that popped up. Good to know I'm not the only one doing my part!
It's so great watching movies with smart people. You folks got all the important messages, even the more subtle ones. It's so frustrating when folks watch this, as you said, and are seeing literally rather than satire. Or sometimes they only get half the satire and are really confused. You two understood the assignment. Great job!
This may have already been mentioned, but I remember reading somewhere, possibly in Fangoria magazine, that when they shot the shower scene with all the actors being naked , Verhoven and the crew were also naked.
This is why I love you guys. You love and appreciate Robocop as much as I do!
"I cant do it to humans...........YET" Menace!!!!
Haha! So many lines in here that are a bit ominous to say the least!
@OfficialMediaKnights please react to Starship troopers: Invasion
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Denise: this is so childish
Ari: n i c e !
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Nuf said! Get him Rico! 😂
I was 10 the first time I saw this film and the satire went totally over my head, I remember thinking it was corny and badly written/acted (but with great gore, lol). The next viewing, I was older and really appreciated the commentary and humour of it. Enjoyed your commentary too, guys, thanks!
"He's gotta dig deep and figure out who he is...." When I heard that comment, I had to respond. Yes. And that's what too many people don't want to put in the work or are too afraid to find out. Man, I love this channel!
"I'm doing my part!" "Pain is in your mind!!" 🤣 so many good quotes.
The enemy cannot push the button if you have disabled his hand!
I mutter "would you like to know more?" at the TV any time I see something vaguely propagandistic.
I know you got the commentary but the back story is explained more in the video games etc.
If you didn't catch the hint the starship troopers started the war. The space federation forcefully colonized the bug planets for land, resorts, new planets for the humans to live. They destroyed the bug homes and killed lots of them. The bugs were actually chill at first then got angry and retaliated.
The propaganda and lies of the space federation just painted the bugs as savages who just attacked for no reason and just killing innocent people. The federation made anger and hatred towards the bugs ie the propaganda for everyone including kids killing the bugs when all they had to do was leave them alone.
Of course the federation soldiers are dressed in Nazi like uniforms and are fascist for symbolism.
Love the reaction. Glad y'all liked the movie
*Thanks for that confirmation: I always thought that story about the mormon colonizers was more antagonistic towards the bugs than the Federal Propaganda clip led on; but having never played the games (Or watched the sequels), I never had proof of it... Gotta love how Paul Verhoeven respects his audience enough to get the messages without handholding them (Even if many indeed did not get the whole message of this movie when it came out)*
What a wonderful breakdown, thank you so much for expanding that for us!!
The film's message is abundantly clear once you pay attention, it's actually not even that subtle - it just gets all dressed up in the fancy stunts and colorful visuals, so at first you're so taken by that, it slips by you!
Thank you so much for your support, we're so happy you enjoyed!
@@daniellanctot6548 you're welcome. Not spoiling but later movies and games etc. show and go into more detail about how evil the federation really is. The later is still focused on the bugs but they give subtle hints about and deep dives into the federation. Including how they treat their own people and others.
Yeah..the Dark Horse comics actually tell a great story about the Mormon outpost and another one about Rasczak past and his encounters w/ the bugs for the first time.
lmao woke people and their gaslighting bullshit and sympathizing with literal murder bugs
Fun fact: during test screening, a lot of people left notes on Denise Richard’s character because they didn’t like how flirty she was with the other guy. The movie was heavily edited around Rico and Carmen due to the audiences dislike of her.
Someone even left a note on their card after leaving the screening that just said “Die bitch”
Just like Susan from Deep Blue Sea lmao. They really hated women back then.
Some people really did not understand her and Rico's character arc. The entire point is that the two are not meant to be together. They both find people who fit so much better to them.
@@TheBeastInBlack I don’t think it’s a woman thing, it’s a character thing.
@@fipse that is true, just like Robocop, people didn’t realize this film was a satire and took it all literally. But even after people got the message, it’s still said that Carmen is still the least liked character in the movie. At least she’s above that guy who got his brains sucked out.
Damn brain sucking bugs
@divinegokublack1362 Yeah, likely true but its wierd it happened twice, so close to eachother too. Same exact words too
19:52 ". . . Crazy girl . . . little WILD on the Stick . . . ." Denice Makes Face LOLOL 💀💀💀💀LOLOL well played!! LOL
as someone from Argentina was crazy to watch this movie back then because why they were talking english in my country? and we got whipped out first haha
Helldivers absolutely took inspiration from this movie.
It became clear as day to me the more the film went on. A pleasant surprise since I’ve been enjoying that game!
One thing that often goes unnoticed is that there's no real difference between Citizens and Civilians other than the right to vote. Rico's parents are Civilians, but they have a nice house and seem to be doing very well financially. They're not 2nd class/under class like you might think. It's an interesting, and probably unrealistic, bit of world-building. Great reaction, thanks!!!
I always thought of the Rico family as board member level affluence. Making weapons or such in support yet independent of the government. Carmen's family seems to be struggling.
Civilian vs Citizen thing is based on Rome Republic
It's a holdover from the world of the book. The civilization in the books has no real discrimination. Civilians have all the rights of a citizen except for the right to vote and every civilian has a right to seek military service to earn that right to vote. The military does not turn people away based on race, religion, class, region of origin or even physical ability, the military will find something for them to do, and not every job in the military means combat.
@@mr_yoru5834 And that there were other ways to obtain citizenship, like becoming a teacher
@@Iymarra teacher, specifically for the required class "history and moral philosophy" was not a profession that you took to become a citizen, rather, it was a position that only citizens, not civilians were allowed to occupy. You're correct though in that there were other ways to gain citizenship, but they had to be dangerous and hard jobs, like testing out experimental mining equipment on some moon, not safe jobs like being a teacher.
I've been hoping you guys would react to this.
"ARE YOU READY TO DO YOUR PART AS A CITIZEN? "
Join the federation, T&Cs apply😂
I love the way yall break this movie down. I knew you’d understand the deeper meaning and love the movie. When this came out, people didn’t really understand the meaning, but now people know looking back at it. It’s also based on the book with the same name by Robert A. Heinlein from 1959! It’s a REALLY good book.
As I understand it, Paul Verhoeven was very proud of the fact that he couldn't make it through more than a few pages of the book, as it felt too fascist to him. But he liked the idea of satirizing that fascism, which this film does brilliantly. Yet at the same time, it _also_ works from that fascist perspective: the propaganda (though intentionally overdone) still works, the moral and civic philosophies the film puts forth *sound good.* It would be easy for this film to have a following like _Fight Club_ of people who buy into the supertext while completely ignoring the subtext. Especially just post-9/11 during the Global War on Terror, you could see the parallels quite clearly (film prescience is weird).
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The fan theory I like a lot (but isn't overtly supported by the film) is that the asteroid attack on Buenos Aires was done by the government, not the Arachnids. Certainly, looking at the galactic map and the prevalent feeling among humanity that the bugs weren't capable of higher-level thought makes the idea that the Arachnids somehow redirected an asteroid literally ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE GALAXY to Earth a little hard to believe. But the Arachnids _are_ an interstellar species, so it's totally possible -- I just don't know how they convinced the public of it.
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Yeah, lots to talk about with this film.
Y'al got me with the surprise tag-team "The Fifth Element" reference.
“Big badaboom” … “Multipass” !!!
🤣😂😭 soooo good ! ❤️
Jake Busey is the BEST! I met him a year ago at a horror con and got a selfie and an autograph. He called me a "Nut Buster" on the autograph and then asked if I wanted to know more? - love that man!
Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy, this has been one of my top 5 favourite movies for more than 20 years!!! My heart is pounding like crazy right now. Guys, I had a horrible day today and here you are ready to cheer me up. Thank you so much for that. 🥺
Hi there and thank you so much for your kind comment!! We're both so sorry you had a horrible day, and hope that you feel much better! ❤️
@@OfficialMediaKnights ❤❤❤
The moment everything clicked for me when I first watched the film was when Neil Patrick Harris showed up in that trench coat. I thought "oh that's why all the uniforms seemed familiar, yep the humans are the bad guys."
The grey and black uniforms. The Eagle insignia. The dehumanising of other races. The propaganda. Love this undertone. One love from Scotland. 💙 🦄🦁🏴
"You get me?!"
"WE GET YOU SIR!"
It's a cheesey classic & we love it when movies were fun;)And the black dude that stayed behind to sacrifice himself so they could get away is "Father Gabriel" from the Walking Dead,fun fact. I didnt realize it till I realized it;)
Saw this back in 2003, and I felt like it was made for me because funny enough: I was in high school, I had just gone through a breakup, was contemplating joining the military, and was learning about fascism in a literature class.
if you think Federation is fascism you are brainwashed by your blue haired teachers.
Starship Troopers is a SciFi masterpiece. I have watched it countless times and never got bored of it.
Awesome reaction guys! Love that you looked beyond the surface and ventured down the rabbit hole. This movie is one of the best commentaries on weaponized propaganda and the power of fanaticism, right up there with the likes of Dune.
One little detail to note - both of the high school teachers shown, as well as the recruitment officer (all Citizens), are also all war amputees. "I'm doing my part!"
For me, the best part of this film has always been that it was such a clever satire, it almost crosses the line and doesn’t seem like a satire at all. I know so many people who had absolutely no idea that it was supposed to be as deeply funny as it was.
Satire only really works if it has elements of what it's satirizing. The Federation has none of it, but does have a surface level paint job.
They completely failed to show the bad side of the Federation, the invasion was a shit show, but incompetence is not exclusive to Totalitarianism.
@@w415800 right!? And it isn't even THAT kind of government. It's a libertarian wet dream.
@@colvamoon6962Yeah shame this comment section seems to still be one of those where the ‘MeDiA lItErAcY’ crowd is unexposed to pushback from people who have actually read the book
@@ProtossWannabe1984 hell, I haven't even read the book, but I know that the Federation in this movie isn't the type of government Paul tried to satirize.
Paul Verhoeven admitted to not reading the book, which counterintuitively made the movie into a quirky gem.
Starship Troopers(book) is about self sacrifice, moral development, discipline, finding something larger than yourself, etc
The screenplay is relatively well adapted, you can see it in the bones of the movie, but Paul Verhoeven painted everything Nazi.
As a kid the it just felt like a badass guns and monsters movie with something silly about it.
Having read the book, the joy is seeing the collision of opposing themes.
The original book was a fascist dystopia written by a fascist author.
@@lobachevscki Except that by every definition it's a liberal democracy with specific ways to earn franchizement written by radical libertarian- probably the furthest thing you could be from a fascist but sure
@@lobachevscki No
@JJDumbface Thank you! God, it's so rare to find people who ACTUALLY get the real deep irony of the movie. In an attempt to make the most cartoonishly fascist movie ever, Verhoeven constructed one of the least fascist societies.
Most seem to see it as an indictment of imperialism and think "Oh I get it 🥴 it's duh Notsees!" No 😩 it's not. And the concepts at play deserve better reflection than to be written off as such. Those who are willing to sacrifice their lives for the security of the nation should have the sole right to call the shots, because they have proven they are willing to actually defend it and die for it.
@@lobachevscki In a fascist society you would not have two different classes. One the idea that one has to earn the right to be a citizen is not a fascist belief. Earning rights are values of a liberal society based on merit and individual choice/freedom. No one was required to serve, but choosing to serve granted privileges that those who did not serve could not enjoy. There is no individualism in fascist society. One could say this is more like the Roman Empire or Napoleonic France. Also the evil National Socialism (WW2 Germany) was not fascist. Fascist was Italy that does not mean that fascism is good but they are two different things. This is why you can have fascist jews in Italy while in Germany. I suggest people read up on Idealism and Fascism.
Just about to get into this reaction and just wanted to make a few comments. I remember seeing this in the theater when it was first released and was surprised by the negative reaction it received but realized that people just didn't understand what it was really about and trying to achieve. The biggest surprise I had though was reading the book afterwards and seeing just how different the two were. I am honestly surprised they were even allowed to keep the title of Starship Troopers with how different they are. If you guys are into reading, I would suggest giving it a read.
Would love to read the novel at some point. Such a shame this movie was and still is so misunderstood. All it takes is digging a little deeper.
@@OfficialMediaKnights If only they "Would like to know more?"
You should check out the 3d animated series "Roughnecks: The Starship Troopers chronicles". its alot closer to the book then the movie is, and even features the other alien species from the book the film leaves out.
Rico got over is parents deaths like he just flushed a couple of goldfish lol
Here's a fun fan theory: The Asteroid that hit Earth was going to miss, but was deflected by being hit by the ship Carmen was piloting, a ship that wouldn't have been in the path of said asteroid if she hadn't modified the nav. Ergo, Carmen is the reason the bugs were attacked.
The other theory is, the asteroid was sent by the Federation to justify their war. It was meant to strike a less inhabited area (like the ocean), but didn't because of the collision. But for it to hit her hometown? What are the odds :p
@@ringsaphire @spikejnz Well, you are both wrong. 1. The Asteroid was intentionally sent to earth and wasn't 'deflected' despite what logic would normally dictate (stupid i know, but its true). 2. The Bugs did send the asteroid, not the Federation.
Source? Veerhovens own interview/extended commentary where he confirms that the Bugs did send the asteroid to hit earth.
@@darklelouchg8505 if it's canon then it's canon; not gonna complain about that.
@@ringsaphire You would be surprised, some people have said the opposite. I appreciate the internal consistency.
Yes he's hank from breaking bad but he's also one of the Mutants in the bar in Total Recall. "You've got a lot of nerver showing your face around here Howser"
Also bit of irony , the guy that steals her away is the same guy who broke up Zach and Kelly on saved by the bell ,
John Ratcheck (Michael Ironside) Legendary GOAT!!!
"That was some of the best flying I've ever seen. Right up to the point where you died." It's the delivery of Ironside that set's him apart.
Rasczak's Roughnecks.
Lieutenant Rasczak.
I have watched this dozens and dozens of times, after seeing it in the theater. I'm so glad to watch this with you guys. I have it memorized.
To add to the messages you already saw: look how the humans treat each other. Deliberately injuring recruits during training. Administration Punishment is literally whipping. Mandatory mass televised executions.
We're not only cruel to the bugs, humanity does it to each other
29:52 I recently came across a comment that said Zim (Mr. Krabs’ voice actor) ripping up Rico’s paper work in front of his superior is what got Zim demoted to a combative role resulting in his heroic performance at the end
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If I remember correctly, his superior intentionally turned his back to turn a blind eye to it, "allowing" Zim to reinstitute Rico. It was just not shown here due to a cut. Also, I do recall reading somewhere that Zim wanted to get to the front, but as they wouldn't allow him due to him being a valuable drill sergeant, he eventually resigned and got himself demoted to private just so that he could be deployed.
@@kortov7756yep, this is the correct reasoning. His superior even said, “the only way you’ll see combat is if you [voluntarily] bust yourself back down to private”
@@kortov7756 Zim: "I want to see combat"
Superior: "The only way you're going to see combat is if you bust your ass to private... do you get me?"
Zim: "Yes sir." said while maintaining eye contact.
I think it's why Zim ripped it up, Rico was in the same boat, but he could do something about it.
@@Creaform003 That is perfectly great of a suggestion, but I cannot really justify it as what occured. Whilst it could certainly lead to Zim getting demoted due to overstepping his position, it would also mean that Rico is in fact out of the army; Zim getting legally sanctioned for tearing down his approved discharge form would automatically mean said form exists in validity and still has to be enacted, with Rico discharged rather than deployed. The officer in charge has to pick one of the two.
@@kortov7756 I don't think it was ripping up the note that got him busted down. But I think his reason for ripping it up is because he was in the same spot.
The double amputee recruiter is an actual double amputee. Oh if you ever watch Golden Girls Blanche was the science teacher
He also played the coroner on the original *CSI,* the one set in Vegas. His prosthetic legs were never hidden, but they mostly were just taken as matter-of-fact. There was an episode or two, though, that really showed what the character (and the actor!) had to live with, day to day, as a double amputee.
the film actually used a number of people that had missing limbs, its how they were able to make some of the soldiers getting their arms and legs ripped off look so realistic.
Easily top 10 best movie ever!
Perfect combination of commentary and movie coverage. Great channel, keep it up!
As a fellow Helldiver & Helltuber, seeing you guys cover this was AMAZING, LOL!!!
This live action of Starcraft looks dope af.
This came out before Starcraft. And yes I'm fun at parties.
Which was itself a reuse of WH40K assets. Zerg = Tyranids, and Terrans = Space Marines :P
in this the MI is basically like the Imperial Guard, just regular men and women with flak armor and a basic rifle.