Sardonicast 70: Tenet, The Devil All the Time, Stalker
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Timestamps (by Jake Ram):
0:01 Durr Plant
1:00 TENET
24:59 The Devil All the Time
40:01 Stalker
1:16:57 What are some real world stories you want to see adapted into films?
1:28:15 What character do you relate the most to?
1:30:56 What’s a movie you refuse to watch, no matter how good people tell you it is, simply because you don’t care about it? - reddit user Poo On Face
1:32:15 What do you think of the “Don’t Hug Me I’m Scared” series? Are there any other webseries you enjoy?
1:39:19 How much does the context of a film impact your rating?
1:44:49 What do you think about phrases like “*insert director name here* is the next Kubrick*”?
1:50:02 Alex’s Recommendation (2010: The Year We Made Contact) and Guest Announcement (Cosmonaut Variety Hour)
Adam: Tenet lacks basic rules and I didn't find any emotional connection to it
Ralph & Alex: haha Tenet go BWAH BWAH
haha Tenet go BWAH BWAH
Tenet was epic and at the end of the day that's what really matters in a movie.
@@jjth3bat In a large-scale action movie, anyways
The type of guy to not be able to form emotional connections in the first place
It's a movie that I would probably understand more of if I rewatched it, but it's not interestingly made or well-acted enough to make me ever want to see it again.
TIMESTAMPS
0:01 Durr Plant
1:00 TENET (SPOILERS)
24:59 The Devil All the Time
40:01 Stalker (SPOILERS)
1:16:57 What are some real world stories you want to see adapted into films?
1:28:15 What character do you relate the most to?
1:30:56 What’s a movie you refuse to watch, no matter how good people tell you it is, simply because you don’t care about it? - reddit user Poo On Face
1:32:15 What do you think of the “Don’t Hug Me I’m Scared” series? Are there any other webseries you enjoy?
1:39:19 How much does the context of a film impact your rating?
1:44:49 What do you think about phrases like “*insert director name here* is the next Kubrick*”?
1:50:02 Alex’s Recommendation (2010: The Year We Made Contact) and Guest Announcement (Cosmonaut Variety Hour)
1:52:49 Ralph’s Durr Plant Impression
You are awesome!
@@crappymcdick Thanks, man. Very kind of you to say!
@@markparkinson6947 Does the Devil All the Time discussion have spoilers? Haven't seen it yet.
Connrad Take no chances. Watch the film at your earliest convenience. It’s an amazing film to watch, especially because of how you feel sympathy for Arvin.
@@markparkinson6947 😩get a room
As a South Korean, I'm really surprised and glad that Adum knew and mentioned the South Korean ferry tragedy. I was also a student at that time, and when the news about ferry tragedy broadcasted it really affected me as well.
I've never heard of it before now, and it is very disturbing, almost like a modern day Titanic.
Were many people you knew affected as well when the news broke out?
@@isaiahwilliams2642 It was a nationwide news. So you could say almost every South Koreans were affected by this incident. (Even the politics as well)
@@isaiahwilliams2642 it was like the 9/11 of korea. the society felt dark for a long time.
I had only learned about this recently. Hearing Adam talk about it gave me chills because I was just thinking about the videos I'd seen. I've always been pretty against the school system here in America, but the fact that this could happen anywhere is a genuine failure of humanity.
@@etgohome1343 It's even heartbreaking that in today's time children can't even look up to adults since that one fuck head disguised himself as a civilian to save himself
I have several questions about that second fan art...
Is Ralph uhm... you know?
Seriously why Adum and Alex are kissing each other's lips and Ralph Adum's hair.
It’s what is on everyone’s mind
the 3rd ones mine.
I love it. I get such a kick out of this shit.
Adum sounded pretty torn up talking about that South Korean ferry disaster. Sometimes Adum has talked about personal stuff and has sounded a bit on edge, but here it sounds like he was gonna cry out of empathy. Never heard him like that.
I would love to see Bong Joon Ho’s take that horrible event.
@@JojosCrazyChannel It would probably be out of sync with his filmography, but with Snowpiercer he showed that he can do grim films set on vehicles, so maybe he could pull it off.
@@JojosCrazyChannel Or maybe Park Chan-wook.
Looking up some stuff about it, it's horrible.
The Captain got 36 years, he had the fucking gall to try and appeal it. He then got a full life sentence
I hate to be that guy, but timestamp?
This is pretty late but I just saw Tenet and about Adum's point with the turbine blowing the protagonist into the building it isn't due to the explosion. Turbines take air in from the front and blow it out the back but because he is inverted the air that the turbine is sucking in is what blows him into the freeport.
I was gonna say the same.
thank youuu
So I guess Adum likes the movie better now!? 😬
Alex geeking out over Stalker is the reason I watch Sardonicast
stanley kubrick did to movies what jaws did to the ocean
Regarding the jet engine plot hole, the engine was still running when it fell off the plane and exploded. The protagonist was in front of it when it inversely exploded and would have been sucked into the engine before it exploded if he wasn't inverted. However, since he was, he was blown through the door. It looked like the explosion forced him through, but imediately after the explosion, from the protagonist's perspective, the engine was running at full force and blew him hardcore.
I think he just didn’t understand that the engine was sucking him in when time wasn’t inverted
regardless of whether or not you're right about this, the fact I just read a paragraph explaining it and it still didn't make sense shows how convoluted some of plot is. Wouldn't it be better to have something simpler to follow? and let people focus on the spectacle instead of being distracted and confused with some detail they couldn't understand at the time? The whole concept doesn't really make sense, if someone is fighting at the end and a blown up building in reverse catches them, they'll get stuck inside the walls, so that means people built that building with a guy inside the walls from the start if you look at the situation from the opposite perspective. The same thing applies to the jet engine scene. If he was pulled by the engine and then it blew up. If you want to defend that the engine blew up before he was pulled into it and thus survived, then when seeing things from his perspective what we should've seen was him laying on the floor near the engine and then get pushed into the warehouse, but we don't see that, in the film he's just walking normally and when he's near the door that's when he is suddenly pushed, doesn't make sense for him to be standing up given how in linear time he just happened to be pulled by the engine. It's like the reversed time logic only kicks in when it's convenient for the characters. It's an impossible concept to put on screen in a way that makes sense, I'm fine with that, but for some reason everyone pretends people just "don't get it" when they point out flaws
@@coletrainhetrick I didnt say complex was a bad thing in itself. I said something being convoluted is bad when you want people to focus on other elements of your film. And its definitely a bad thing when it creates a bunch of logical flaws. Im thinking of ending things is a complex film but at no time does that make it inconsistent with its own rules. Do you really want to compare that with this mess? Terrible example to bring up. Believe it or not I also didnt excpect to write a wall of text, I just had to to point out a logical flaw I didnt find people addressing here enough and it ended up taking longer to explain. Should I have just deleted my whole point just because it took more words than expected? If anything that's the film's fault for being so convoluted
@@coletrainhetrick I already explained why tenet doesn't make any sense on my previous comment, the kind of logical mistakes I pointed out in that comment are not something anyone can say about I'm thinking of ending things. convoluted is not the same as complex
@@coletrainhetrick can you at least explain why I'm wrong? I don't see any problem with being wrong, especially when it can help me like a film more. to repeat what I mentioned before the whole inversed time logic could never work like it is presented in the film at least. to use the turbine explosion example, looking at the situation linearly, we would see it pull some guy towards it but exploding before the guy is actually pulled inside of it. so by the end of that action the guy being pulled would be on the floor possibly even bruised from it. Yet when looking at things from the opposite presepctive, he is just walking normally and then all of sudden he is pushed inside the warehouse, he wasn't lying on the floor bruised from being pulled by the turbine. why? the inversed logic only kicked in when it was convenient, it only kicked in when the character was in place to enter the next action scene when he fights himself. Let me know if I still haven't explained myself properly. if I have tell me how this logic is wrong, otherwise I can't really argue any counterpoint to your comments since you don't give me anything to counter
The tanks and other military equipment was supplied by the Russian Army, he'd asked for a lot more becuase he wanted to feel like a proper large scale battlefield , but when they were delivered there was much less than he asked for and he only had limited time with it too, so he believed those shots to be rushed. Which is funny because I think those shots look incredible.
You are in all the good channels m8
@@nikosksydas7131 Was about to comment that, they're a true comment comrade
In regards to the tanks in Stalker, in an interview with the production designer, he actually said he brought in these old tanks. I have the Curzon Artificial Eye Blu Ray of Stalker, it was on the special features.
the production designer explains that on the criterion one too i think how they had to worry about the grass
@@tonywords6713 Exactly. That's exactly what I saw on my Blu Ray too. How they needed to make the grass look like nothing was dragged across it.
So excited for Marcus on the next episode!
I know. Now they just need to get one of the RLM guys, and Lindsay Ellis, and all my favorite movie RUclipsrs will have been on this podcast.
22:56 "Inception is inspired by The Matrix"
Don't you mean Paprika?
No, they mean Dream of a Lifetime - a Donald Duck comic.
Lol, right? I thought that was weird considering they really rip a whole scene from it. R.I.P. the master Satoshi Kon.
The Matrix, Paprika, Ghost in The shell, The cell, and a few other movies can all be inspirations for Inception. Paprika is possibly the most similar but there's still similarities throughout the rest. Especially The Cell
Is Paprika the new Kimba?
Kaprika
I like when the discussions become Alex & Ralph vs. Adum 😂
is there like, a section of the Sardonicast reddit where we can give Adam some intro ideas before he abandons the concept all together 🤣
Please do
Stalker is one of those rare films for me, that when I watch it all I can think about is "this is peak cinema, this is the medium of film used to its full potential", definitely one of my favourites of all time.
Both Stalker and Tenet are that for me. In terms of the potential of the medium.
Strange that I think it's a pile of shit
I encourage anyone who likes tarkovsky to read the strugatsky brother's roadside picnic, which stalker is based off of. Lem's solaris is also excellent. Tarkovsky was a fantastic filmmaker but the original authors never get enough credit imo. The philosophy and the dialogue is from them.
In the book Stalkers DNA is changed from entering the zone, their offspring are doomed to be mutated. Monkey in the book, her mutation is that she is an actual monkey... she has fur etc. Starts out as a normal human but gradually devolves more and more into some mutant beast, her mind slowly degrades. Quite a sad plot point in the book. I guess in the movie her mutation is telekinesis.
Love that book, read it 3 times.
56:00 The film is based on _Roadside Picnic_ , but the authors - the Strugatsky Brothers - wrote the screenplay specifically for the film making the protagonist almost saintly.
The book's main character is devolving gradually from a romantic adventurer to a cynical bastard who betrays his young companion in the end to get to the book's equivalent of the wish-fulfilling Room - the Golden Sphere. The book ends when he first witnesses his companion's death and then hysterically wishes "Happiness for every one - and may no one be deprived of their fair share" - which is kind of ironic.
Book authors also worked on film scenario, as far as I understand.
I love how organic the science fiction in Stalker is, I always find that a much more palpable and plausible reality
What do you mean by "organic"?
@@SK-nf9yk like natural, earthy, not robotics and clean robots and streets etc. But dirty and lived in.
It is all around a very organic film. Throughout it has this incredible aliveness and presence to it. I feel like the camerawork adds to it a lot. The constant yet masterfully executed long takes create this atmosphere that feels almost like you are there at that moment.
You feel it organic because there is actually no science fiction in Stalker, they intentionally took out all of it in the adaptation process, and everything left might as well be explained by magic (or metaphores).
I agree with Adum on a lot of aspects of Tenet, but not the fight scenes. Those were very impressive, and expertly choreographed. I'm not saying Adum doesn't have a right to think that but it feels like he's putting off a lot of the work that went into them. I know Adum's not a filmmaker but if he says it's so easy to put a fight like that together then I'd kind of like to see him try it.
You’re right, his biggest complaint was the emotional aspects of the film but this isn’t that type of film and those fight sequences WERE incredibly choreographed. Emotion wasn’t a driving factor and that’s fine, Like the movie mentioned, no one cares about the bomb that never goes off...
Enough of that "Id love to see them make a film and see how hard it is" bullshit. Hes allowed an opinion, get over it.
@@randomguy6679 Adam just said a stupid thing actually, because making a movie with a well shot fight choreography is not easy by design. Especially since this is the first time that Nolan pulls it off. His previous movies fights were going from bad to mediocre so that's actually a point you can't slam on like you slam on the Dark Knight fight scenes.
If you're a good critic you have to recognize improvement otherwise you're just creating an opinion based on a fake reality.
@Jake Boos Or hed become even more picky and people would hate him even more.
@Jake Boos "I dont think non-filmmakers aren't allowed to critique, but I also think non-filmmakers aren't allowed to critique
Much of "Stalker" was shot in Tallinn, Estonia at two deserted hydro power plants. Coincidentally, many scenes in "Tenet" (including the long car chase in the middle of the movie) were shot in Tallinn as well.
Chemical plant actually, that's why they all died young.
I would love to see a film on Mansa Musa and his pilgrimage to Mecca. He was an african king during medieval times and is considered to be one of the richest people to have ever lived. He loved to give away so much gold on his pilgrimage that it created a recession in Egypt and other places. I feel like that could make a really cool movie.
I'm pretty sure the plane explosion was sucking in and that's why he was launched forwards
So then why did it only suck him in? He was behind an entire door. Nobody else got sucked in despite being closer to the explosion than him. The implication is that he got blown away from the explosion because he was close to it, which also makes no sense because the explosion is happening backwards in his perspective. It makes no sense at all.
@@YMS I don't remember the shot exactly, but you said things get blown away by it, since we're seeing things from his inversed perspective that would mean they're actually flying into it, so they went in and he got blown back.
Makes sense to me idk
@Rowan IKG Even if it makes sense.. which it it doesn't, because going backwards and forwards within the same time doesn't make logical sense. Especially with the amount of rules it needs everyone to follow precisely, in order to close the loop to begin with.
It should have been a simple, fun, awe-aspiring experience. Instead it was: EXPOSITION: The Movie. And it sucked. 42/100
Why 42? You know exactly why.
@YourMovieSucksDOTorg I was so confused why everyone, especially Alex and Ralph seemed to be so entertained by it. When my buddy and I finished the movie in the cinema, we looked at each other and almost simultaneously said: That was boring!
Anyways, thanks for your opinion Adam, I feel vindicated now.
@@YMS Adam you have a very high barrier for suspension of disbelief when it comes to science fiction. Which is why you tend to have such opposite opinion to the masses for these films . Especially If the story has time travel, it's gonna have hundreds of holes if you think about it enough.
@@YMS It's kinda the same for me. That's why I stay away from time travel stories. Despite having almost watched all marvel movies , I haven't watched Endgame yet. I don't ever want to.
Why do Alex and Ralph laugh nervously even more than usual in this episode
Drugs
They're ashamed that Adam didn't understand Tenet so they laugh awkwardly to hide it
@@Theyungcity23 ugh
@@Theyungcity23 More like they know hes right
That south Korean tragedy sounds terrifying so sad
There’s a documentary short about the tragedy called In the Absence which was nominated at the 2020 Oscars. It’s on RUclips right now and totally worth checking out.
@@anika21__21 thank you much appreciated!
Adam perfectly expressed how I felt about Tenet. It's an action movie where the central conceit actively made the action scenes more confusing and less engaging. It should've been a different type of film
I kinda agree with Adum, I get the entire film but the problem with me is that I didn’t really care about the main character’s motivation.
Or any of the characters motivations.
@@randomguy6679 exactly I just wanted to actually care.
Why does the movie have to make you care about the character. Is everyone in the real world an interesting person? The movie is based on the concept and he's there to do the job
@@tuff_trooper755 well no, but if you know Storytelling than you should want to know why we would care about him. Regardless if he is interesting, it's just my opinion. But I understand what you mean. Sometimes I just need stories that can hook me but it was still really great film.
Isn't that the point of Nolan's movies? All of them are like that
I was on the fence about watching “Devil all the time” but now I’ll definitely check it out. Thanks guys!
Didn't Family guy do something similar to Tenet? Stewie's time machine malfunctioned and everything started moving in reverse except for Stewie and Brian.
Doctor strange did it to. It’s not a new concept
@@anttoes32 But did they do anything as spectacular as making Stewie's poop go back inside Stewie?
In reference to stalker. The tanks were brought in for the movie. it was the second shoot though and he was mad that he only got like a quarter of the amount they were supposed to get.
My feelings on Stalker's "telekinesis scene" are similar to Adum's but I was dissapointed in how none of you guys were willing to go further with the analysis. The ending isnmost deffinitely a continued expression of the themes of the Hope vs Cynicism. It's honestly cute how you take the telekenisis so literally. I always saw it as being more ambigious as to whether the train is in fact moving the cups. In fact- I always assumed the film was implying that the girl is deaf and that we had entered into the hopeful perception of a child who is either ignorant or sensorally unaware of the industrial cruelties of reality and so imagines herself as powerful. It's an invitation for the audience to either engage in hope or to succumb to cynicism. To see is her as telekinetic is to see magic where there maybe is none. To see a girl lost in fantasy is to let the dark of the world in and sever your bond with childhood.
@Christopher Castillo ruclips.net/video/jLG0F7suqSI/видео.html
that's a cool reading of the scene.
Stalker is available here on RUclips, btw. And in good quality too.
Devil All The Time was pretty enjoyable, just relentlessly grim. Know that going in.
@@saturatedcranium Okay, congratulations...? But it was grim.
It was hammy
You guys have been making this show for years and this is only episode 70. I feel special that I caught this.
I’m so glad you guys finally reviewed Stalker
I love how Tenet makes a point of explaining why your inverted self interacting with your uninverted self is a bad idea despite the whole plot hinging on the main character interacting with himself.
Yeah. Seriously. Also, aren't there two versions of Kat in the same world now? None of it really makes sense. I totally agree with Adum on this one. I took down notes beforehand and he just confirmed all my criticism of this film.
@@lamenamethefirst also pretty fucking convenient that the time inversion machine takes the Protagonist wherever the fuck the plot needs him to be at that exact moment without putting in any kind of coordinates whatsoever. Another thing, what the fuck was up with the opera house? If future Protag wanted to make sure everything work, why go through all that trouble and just do something simple like put a note under a Coke can?
@@lamenamethefirst i know it sounds like nitpicking but holy fuck i just wanna know what the hell is happening in your movie and why i should care, christopher nolan
@@dustygozangas8191 "It's the whole point of these barriers *_AND PROTECTIVE SUITS_* "They literally tell you right after why they set up the machine to have a wall dividing the exit and the suits. lmao. Pay attention bro. They specify "particles" touching is the issue.
The inversion machine does not move them at all, bro. Hence why he's driving into the highway right after getting into the machine for the first time. Your complain about future protag's 'doing all of that" in the opera is completely asinine. Future protag does not interact at all with the opera, Pattison's char is the one that goes that far back in order to ensure they open the door.
@@lamenamethefirst This might be late, but yes, there are two Kats in the world, but only for those 14 days, just like there are two version of the main character in the world for those 14 days.
It's even worse with Sewol than what Adum suggested, unfortunately.
The coast guard and pretty much every authority leading up to the president at the time, Park Geun-hye, were embroiled in such a ridiculous amount of corruption that incompetence was the norm. Combined with the strong focus on deference to one's seniors (also why the kids stayed put; disobedience is very much frowned upon in Korean culture) essentially everyone was waiting for someone else to order a rescue and the coast guard and presidential office worried more about not looking bad in the media, so they turned away civilian vessels and divers who wanted to assist in rescuing the trapped passengers. A US navy vessel which had the means to conduct a large scale rescue operation was also denied. Same with the Japanese coast guard.
Essentially the ship took more than an hour to sink and the coast guard literally did nothing to rescue anyone. Most of the survivors were rescued by fishermen and other civilians. Also the weather was calm; the authorities kept telling divers that the water was too unsafe to dive in a ploy to keep them away. This didn't stop all of the divers however and many bodies were recovered by volunteer divers this way. There's a strong suggestion that the people in power, in order to hide their gross incompetence and negligence, deliberately stalled the rescue efforts in order to make sure everyone left onboard Sewol was dead, so their claims that they had gotten all the survivors out early would look credible. A sort of: "oh, but those people died early on, we did the best we could" type of shitty excuse.
There's evidence that there were survivors inside air pockets for up towards 3-4 days after the ship went down. Yet no efforts were made to save them either because the government stalled or the volunteers were being denied access to the wreck.
This horrible tragedy also served as the unraveling point for Park Geun-hye's government's corruption scandal and you can pretty much draw a direct line from the sinking of the ferryboat to her eventual impeachment and subsequent prison sentence for corruption and abuse of power in 2017. The impeachment happened after months of large-scale protests which at one point amassed up towards 1.6 million people at a single rally. The Sewol tragedy was heavily featured in the cited grievances by the protesters over Park's presidency. So yeah; it's definitely a terrible and frankly rage inducing tragedy which had some major ramifications in South Korean politics and society.
The three glasses at the end of Stalker represent the three characters. The movie is about the danger of nihilism in a way, it's a critique of the materialism of intellectuals. Stalker hopes to put any sort of faith into their hearts (not necessarily in the form of religion, just the image of something greater), and possibly give their lives meaning. There is nothing supernatural in the zone, yet the stalker tries to convince them that there is. By the end, the professor doesn't even care about the room anymore, and the writer dismantles the illusion the stalker built. He has failed in his goal. The empty glass that falls at the end is the stalker. All three characters go back to their colorless lives.
that's a need interpretation but how did you gather that for sure for a scene that's pretty ambiguous? I just got that the new generation could have hope and purpose in their lives
completely disagree lol
This is not in the movie tho.
Unexpected Riley Keough fact: she’s Elvis Presley’s granddaughter.
She's also a Scientologist.
As for the Stalker ending, I don't think Monkey actually moved the glasses with telekinesis. I believe they are slowly starting to move from the train, however it is shot to make it look as though Monkey is moving them (there is hope for mysticism, which is especially emphasized through being seen through a child's eyes). When the train then arrives it is revealed that there was no mysticism or magic involved, and it's all just the same plain boring everyday occurrence. After this is realized, Monkey looks to the camera with a deadpan look, as if she also figured this out.
That's not how trains work, but I like that interpretation
Was starting to feel insane after Alex and Ralph's ratings for Tenet. Gave the same rating as Adam and agree with all of his points.
For then people who came here just for Stalker. They start talking at 40:00.
I agree with Adam IE the parody aspect and "The Protagonist" - Because Inception had that popular theory that went around about all the main characters playings "roles of cinematic production (director/producer/writer/actor/etc)", for him to be so literal about something like that felt almost like he was trolling people who find his films deep when otherwise he just wanted to make a movie built around filming shots of buildings and cars un-exploding this time around.
That South Korean Ferry incident is so fucking sad and I just felt my skin crawl hearing Adam talk about.
Stalker is one of my all time favorite films. Awesome discussion on it guys.
Weird. I saw 2010 after 2001, and I have no memory of it. I start to doubt that I watched it, but I thought I did. It is odd it has no reputation. Almost like Avatar being seen by so many people, but no one can name a character in it.
I believe the main character in Avatar is called Jake Sully, but I'm not sure XD
@@goodial I was thinking Jason Brody then I realized that's the protagonist from fc3, ur right tho it's Jake Sully
I would also recommend the movie 'Predestination' as a twisty-time travel movie that is superior to Tenet in terms of its character driven narrative and clarity regarding internal plot logic
Very different movies, for sure, and I love them both. Predestination is incredible. Don’t know if I’d compare them but predestination is far more character centric, and far more effective in that way. Tenet lacks any real characterization, everyone is so flat- but I think Adam undervalued the concept of Tenet. It’s so alluring, didn’t feel overcomplex to me at all, and was a visual treat to watch.
i like when robert pattinsons character is preaching and the camera shows the cross behind him but it changes its angle and zooms in a bit to make it look like he has horns
Thank you, Adum, for reminding me once more of the existence of 'Evil Bong'.
IHE: “I’m more forgiving of a film...”
Adam:
Thank you Adum for pointing out the logical mistakes in Tenet! Almost no review has done this and I started to doubt myself lol
Also.. casting John David Washington and having the lines he had was a subtle throwback or homage to those 1970's black exploitative movies. His one liners were hilarious when talking to the villain. Its arguably is a parody
The fun thing about Tenet is that no matter how much you spoil... people (including myself) can't even get it.
Anybody else feel Nolan has kind of started putting scope over characters?
In a word. Yes.
started? He's been doing it more and more since Inception dropped
He's been doing it for many years
So much to the point the actors don’t have chemistry
Problem with Tenet as an action sequence is, if you wanna make a dumb action movie, go for it. But don't present it as a "smart movie about the concept of time"
i interpreted that Stalker played up the danger of the Zone, it gives him more thrill and catharsis as he journeys through it. he finds his purpose and meaning in life by being the adventurer to guide those who seek to uncover the treasures of the Room. its quite possible the zone has nothing to offer in terms of threats but like the film what we dont know is whats scary and is whats keeping the soldiers afraid from traversing it thoroughly. perhaps porcupine also played up the dangers of the Zone when teaching Stalker how to traverse it
They talked about the one water shot that leads up to the hand. I remember noticing the tray from the beginning and the crown thing that the writer finds later. Did anyone notice what else there was?
1:31:19 Ralph sounded like Robert Pattinson's character in the movie they talked about
Daddy Marcus coming on next episode 😩
I remember asking him on a stream if he would ever go on Sardonicast!
A curious thing about The Devil All the Time is that the narrator is the actual writer of the book. I've never seen that happening, maybe there are other cases but i've forgot or i didn't see those movies. I don't remember.
bruh i just found this right when my class starts😭😭wait you know what fuck school
Jesus, the more I'm learning about the ferry, the worse it gets...
Civilian divers had to retrieve the bodies, one diver committed suicide 2 years later from the trauma.
Government rescue officials staged the hook up of an air tube to the inside of the ship cause the president was watching, the dodgy hook up just sank the ship further.
A Total failure of every official involved
Just now getting around to watching Tenet. Have to say I'm 100% with Adam on this one. Unless there is something utterly transformative about seeing the film in a theater, I am baffled by any strong favorable reception it received. As someone who is very fond of Inception, this film struck me as a bit of a disappointing, self-indulgent mess.
"Don't touch yourself or you'll disintegrate" - YMS, 2020
M Night’s equivalents are probably Neill Blomkamp, the Wachowski sisters and Tom Hooper. Hooper might seem weird but remember, success followed by lesser success and then infamous failure is his story and M. Night’s
i wouldn't quite but blomkamp on the levels of the others the difference is m night made many great movies before his fall the others rly didnt
@@morrison3423 M. Night's films decreased in quality for a decade from Unbreakable onwards. He made two good ones to start with, more than Blomkamp who felt like a one trick pony. The Wachowski Sisters are similar, two good films and then a bunch of divisive upon release yet cult favourites upon reflection. Tom Hooper also had two well received films, then a couple of divisive ones then one absolutely terrible one. So I guess none of them are fully comparable, but I think two good and the rest either divisive or bad is the best meter to put them into, so Blomkamp stands out. Elysium wasn't terrible but it was in that divisive category.
@@rsfilmdiscussionchannel4168 yeah thast what im saying the others dint rly make more than one (even tho Elysium was fine)
I feel like looper is a good example of a movie that's not consistent, and the time stuff deosn't make much sense, but ther characters and emotions are what holds the movie up. It's not 'goofy' but it has a hint of self awareness keeps it accessible and not pretentious.
"I'm not a stalker!"
Space Odyssey is actually a book series and has four installments. Can't blame them for wanting to adapt them all.
There was a Norwegian version of the 22 July and i saw it with my class. It's filmed in real time where we follow a girl that's stuck on that island, and how it was to be in that place. It's both really rough to watch, but i also love how it doesn't glorify the killer or anything like it. Mostly because (spoiler alert) we never actually get to see him. We see a vague outline of him every now and then but even then he's not in focus. Check it out.
I go to the drive-in every summer, usually... who would have thought that drive-ins would outlast movie theaters.
I thought the dirty sheriff could have been removed entirely. Too much time was focused on him when it could have been spent building more of a backstory for the hitchhiking couple and all that would have been lost was the final gunfight
It seems audiences are enjoying devil all the time way more than critics
Watch _Ivan's Childhood_ , it is beautiful. A beautiful nightmare.
It is also a very short film - like an hour and a half long.
I can only speak for myself, but The Devil All The Time didn't work for me particularly because just making surface level observations on the bleaker aspects of humanity isn't enough if you don't further comment on the implications of them. I don't feel this film really said anything past 'the world is a dark place'. Like... ok? Yea, we know lol. I definitely see and agree that there are some well done technical aspects (it's shot well, the majority of the performances are great, etc), and although I disagree that all of the plot threads were seamlessly tied together and folded in at the end, I can't argue that every character was purposeful to the story being told, which is sadly a rare quality. But what is it all in service of? Campos wanted to communicate an idea very badly but I'm not sure what that idea was beyond "look at how fucked up this shit is". TDATT just felt like an inferior version of No Country For Old Men in every way to me.
That said, it's not terrible. Solid 6/10 for me.
I think that’s purposeful there is no point because that’s just how it is the world. Violence and death most of the time doesn’t have a point. Some people are just born to be buried and that’s that.
I dunno I found it pretty hilarious. Terrible child acting and a dog crucified made me laugh out loud.
I agree, it needed more development and condensing.
I agree, it could have been retitled “A series of awful events” I think if it were turned into a miniseries then it could have been better.
For real man, the fucking narrator was so cringey.
It was just a simple analysis of a very complex subject
"We're going to be joined by The Cosmonaut Variety Hour"
Me in the middle of my workplace screaming: "YES!!! FINALLY!!!"
I can't believe they don't introduce the idea of a person being inverted until 90 minutes into the movie.
I think you guys should watch The Man Who Fell to Earth. I’m curious what your opinions would be on the film.
The Strugatsky Brothers wrote the film, as well as the book it was based on. Initially they were more closely related but after all the reshoots Tarkovsky said "FUCK IT, WRITE ME A WHOLE NEW STORY" and they churned it out as quick as they could.
The other books from the Strugatsky brothers are definitely worth a read, they're very timeless scifi books.
Have you seen the 2013 adaptation of Hard To Be A God?
Also, the difference between Tenet and Mission Impossible is the tone. Mission impossible knows exactly what it is and executes that with a lot of grace. It has overtly comedic moments that are meant to be silly. Action scenes that are over the top but really well executed. And it hits the emotional beats when it needs to and also develops memorable characters along the way. Tenet on the other hand takes itself way too seriously and spends half the film explaining an idea that doesn't make much sense to begin with. If it focused more on the action set pieces instead of trying to be really intelligent and serious, I'd enjoy it more. That conversation that Andrei has with the protagonist at the end is hilarious but they act like it's really riveting stuff and that's the kind of stuff that annoyed me about the film.
Durr plant... never fails to crack me up. Thank you for the smiles Sardonicast. You guys are class. Never miss a Sardonicast.
I'm so freaking excited to see Cosmonaut on here
I saw an article that called Nolan "the next Kubrick" and I couldn't disagree with it more.
He's a talented director, but maybe its because he isn't my taste, but Kubrick seemed to care a lot more about character and themes more than Nolan does as Nolan to me seems to be more about ideas and I'm sorry that's not as interesting to me, I love Dark Knight, and I love Inception just a lot of his movies aren't for me I guess? I'm sorry, but I agree with Adam I have to really care about my characters and their goals to really care.
I will like to add I do like Nolan's movies (for the most part) except the big thing is in the context of what this article is trying to say which is that Nolan is the next Kubrick
I can see comparisons but I think they are way too different to be comparable. He’s more like Michael Mann.
Paul Thomas Anderson is more Kubrick than Nolan.
I get where you're coming from but devil's advocate, to be "the next Kubrick" you don't just have to do exactly the same thing with character development, the point was that Kubrick did something of unique value in contemporary mainstream film and I think Nolan does something uniquely valuable too (I may be biased because The Prestige is one of my all-time favourite movies).
At the same time I don't think there can be a "next Kubrick" just like there can't be a next Hendrix, 30 seconds on RUclips and you'll probably find a filipino kid who can play every Hendrix riff backwards plus create their own more technically impressive music, but the barriers Hendrix broke down are no longer there to break, true guitar heroes (and perhaps legendary directors) may be a thing of the past.
@@cheeez9438 would love PTA directing a sci-fi film
@@inevitableveganfuture3915 I actually agree, and haven't seen Prestige although I do plan to eventually (I do not hate Nolan at all just absolutely disagree with the article), but I agree and I'm happy you love Nolan and I see where you're coming from
I hope they can see this. But there’s an emotionally fantastic Korean film that exists already called Birthday (2019) by Lee Jong-un about the trauma of that ferry incident and it’s extremely powerful and worth the watch Adamn
Nolan actually brought on physicists to work out the rules of the movie to get his information as clear as possible and to be as consistent with the world as possible
Going to Adums argument about the explosion: the world isn’t inconsistent because the force of the explosion is not inverted therefore it would push him through the door, making it look like the explosion is sucking him in in normal time.
If the explosion was inverted (via. Inv bomb) then the force would push him towards it, making it look like it would push it back in normal time
The Devil All the Time was... okay, in my opinion. It very much has the feel of "oh yeah, this was adapted from a book" with how many characters and plot lines it introduces. Something like that can be handled pretty well in a novel but in a film, where the pacing is completely different, it ends up making things feel a bit bloated.
It's also going for that whole "here's a wide cast of characters from different walks of life that somehow end up crossing paths in unexpected ways" type of thing that other movies just pull off much better. I really feel like the first 45-60 minutes could've been skimmed down and some characters and plot points even cut all together to help with flow. Like, Sebastian Stan's character felt completely unnecessary, except for again, the aspect of characters crossing paths. And while the concept of The Couple is actually pretty interesting, it feels soooo disconnected from everything and like it should've been it's own separate story.
Like I've seen some other people mention, I think the story would've been much more compelling if it fully focused on the aspect of Arvin, his sister, and the preacher. But that just kind of gets sidelined for the last third of the movie, which admittedly was the most enjoyable part for me. It does a good job of building tension and has some satisfying moments.
Not to mention that narrator. I don't hate narrators altogether, if anything I think it would've been perfectly fine to use it for the opening to help establish the setting. After that it was waaaaay too heavy-handed and overbearing. Literally saying what a character is thinking or feeling in a dramatic moment just kills any potential real emotion and/or interpretation. But again, that feels like another carry over from this being a novel adaptation.
If anything I feel like I would've enjoyed this MUCH more as a series, nothing too long, maybe 6 episodes or so. Each episode could've focused on a specific time period/plot points to really have the opportunity to flesh out these characters and their stories. But as it stands, this film either needed to be trimmed down a bit. Or if they really wanted to go for the whole shabang with all the characters and everything still included, it needed to be a full 3 hour epic to properly set everything up.
Even though I know Adum always says that the viewers don't have to agree with his opinions I always feel kind of hurt when he doesn't enjoy a movie I like. I don't know why but I respect his opinion so much that I just feel very sad when he has one contrary to mine :(
About tenet
I like that at the beginning the scientist explaining it was like "don't think about" AND I WAS LIKE "PERFECT I DON'T CARE I WANNA SEE A COOL ACTION MOVIE, WITH A COOL GIMMICK", BUT THE WHEN THEY ARE IN THE CARGO AND YOU GET PATTINSON STARTED SAYING THE PARALLEL UNIVERSE BS I WAS FUCKING OUT OF IT
Gotta rewatch Stalker uwu
20:35 this is exactly what I thought of Tenet after seeing it. The movie being an action spy movie really weakened the concept for me.
Esteban Rodriguez what genre do you think would be best?
@@sondertales6762 Maybe a more contained or smaller scaled thriller with more of an emphasis on character development, or something along those lines
I feel the devil all the time was hard to get into with the over reliance on voiceover but it was an efficient way to tell the story and necessary to cover the ground it did
The Devil All The Time is like a diet Cormac McCarthy film. Loved it
I can't believe Adam is the only one with that take on Tenet. It's a really pretentious and empty shelled excuse of a spy film with inconsistent laws and non existent characters tagging along a paper tin intrigue filled with silly and unimaginative visuals or situations.
Come on the visuals were great, same with the score, everything else sucks though
The laws weren’t inconsistent. Don’t hate it because you didn’t understand it. Disliking the characters, fine. But everything TECHNICAL about the movie was near perfect
Here's some film son the Sewol Ferry incident:
- Sewol (2015)
- Birthday (2019)
- In The Absence (2018)
- After The Sewol (2017)
- Intention (2018)
Though I guess no one has really done a non-documentary type film on this subject. Come on Denis
dude, no. a feature film is not gonna do the tragedy any justice.
@@bw-xv2rz In the Abscence did the best job out of what I seen so far. But nah, there's no reason for a feature on anything like this, but it's not impossible that it would happen. I would say the main reason it wouldn't is because North America barely knows about it and well...I don't even think an audience would believe this many people would be this careless and stupid with anything.
So tenet is like that scene from top secret?
Wait, I'm not the only one that remembers Top Secret?
A web series that ran at the perfect time for me was TeamFourStar's Dragon Ball Z Abridged.
For those that may not know, it is a fan dub of most of the Dragon Ball Z series, and with their own narrative edits. The first few episodes are very much of their time, there's a lot of "lolz random" meme humor, and much of it hasn't aged great. However the quality of the series really morphs as it progresses. By the time you get to episode, let's say, 40, the abridged is so good that it's comparable to the show in my opinion. I feel some aspects even surpass the original series, they earn a lot of jokes and even emotional moments. I'm not in the anime crowd, I find it really annoying, but I loved that Abridged series. I recommend it if you haven't seen it (I know it's ridiculously popular so I might not even be talking to anyone lol). It really helped develop my sense of humor and love of internet editing as I got older.
DBZ abridged is the GOAT
Oh man, if you take that attitude regarding anime, theres soo many good shows and movies, even masterpieces, old and modern, you end up missing out on....it really isnt hard to find the great ones (although I will admit that anime fandom has plenty of toxic assholes, but any fandom does I guess...)
@@esavalila576 Yea sorry, I've tried watching the most acclaimed animes out there, and it's just not for me. I don't care for the medium, it really annoys me stylistically. I don't think it's all terrible or anything like that, I'm just aware I'm far away from it's target audience and I'm very certain I won't be won over at this point.
I don't care much about toxic fandoms, I just watch the thing alone and think about it for a while and come to my own conclusion, so I do a good job avoiding gluttonous fandom as a whole which really helps with everything I watch. People gatekeep and polarize stuff so hard anymore and I don't even have the energy to keep up with that. More power to the fans, but I just can't get into fandoms.
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With regards to the reverse fight scene in Tenet I thought it was that the jet engine pulled him out in forward time and pushed him in in reverse time. Because jet engines suck air in.
Is stalker worth a watch? I haven’t seen anything from tarkovsky yet
yes
Either Ivan's childhood or this is a good starting point
Just watch all of his movies in chronological order. they are all worth a watch
no, it's relentlessly boring and baits you with the idea that youre going to see some crazy shit. If watching a couple middle aged russian men whinge endlessly about loose ended philosophical nothingness is entertainment then you'll love it. It's a major piece of anti-art that leaves you wanting rather than satisfying any of it's own mysteries. Aside from it's incredible technical achievements and great cinematography, from a sheer perspective of ideas, I hated it. Watch "The Hourglass Sanatorium" instead.
@@Lifesizemortal lmao
Some of those tanks are actually foam in stalker. They did a shot to perceive depth like they were far away. At least I'm pretty sure that's what I remember seeing in other videos about the film
I havent watched Tenet, because the cinemas are still closed in my country, but something that upsets me is that people often trash artists for just having one or few failures and all of the sudden he is not talented anymore. That is totally fine, Nolan failed, he can do better next time, it is not that it completely erase everything great he did as a director. I remember many reviews of Tarantino’s OUATIH, and thay said, “iT Is nAt es GOOD Es PULP fiction, he is NOT TALENTEED anymore, he NEEDS TO RETIRE” and that is fucking bullshit. You didnt like it?? thats is fine, but he didnt stop being talented just because of that.
OUATIH is his best movie.
Nolan is talented, he's just not as talented as he thinks he is.
@@mabusestestament he's as talented as his films suggest, which is pretty fucking talented
@Anthony Martensen
Nah, he surely has talent, but he's overrated.
The Devil All the Time was a very dense plot, I think it would have been done better as a limited series. But I loved the acting and the music.
It's a book that shouldn't have been adapted