I get not wanting to double stack but the safety car issue wasn't really an issue. Jdub was literally on the safety cars rear bumper by the time they orange lighted. Most drivers would have done the same and passed it as they're flooring it over 200kph. Literally no way to stop behind the safety car. Best they could have done was to have him pull up so the safety car could pass so he could follow. Handled poorly all round.
Maybe if he slammed on the anchors right at the last second he more than likely still wouldnt stop/slow down in time. If it was a more cynical driver being interviewed (eg me) i wouldve pointed out that at that speed i couldve potentially stayed behind the safety car... By rear ending it. Hope you're doing good and staying safe mate.
@@MrMiD.Life.Crisis imagine if he did rear end it to avoid penalty. Haha. Sad seeing the sport changing the way it is though. As always, stay safe, just chilling in the lockdown.
Note that the time they say pit this lap in the garage, before saying it to Jamie he is under the armor all bridge, then they wait and say pit, its too late. I am not a fanboy of Jamie, but respect him a lot, and he wasn't to blame for the wet situation, Roland and Dutton were
The lights were green on the safety car, then suddenly changed,. It is unfair to expect any driver to notice that when they are focused on winning the Great Race.Once the safety car is deployed ALL cars should follow it until after they pass the incident and it is safe to let the back-markers go and the race leader is then at the front of the queue.The flag marshals can control an incident on the track, then the safety car called when there is a reasonable time for teams to discuss this with their drivers and call them into the pits. Bathurst can be won or lost at the last pit stop, instead of genuine car pace and strategy.Incidence and safety cars can be unpredictable, but we want to see good hard racing on the track, so the officials must be on their A game and provide clear and consistent actions all the time.
Although good points, it would've made more sense to come into the pits, even go a little slower on entry, bit less time sitting idle, as opposed to having to suffer a drive through and if memory serves me correctly a pit stop under green Whincup massively stuffed up, and in many respects the Safety Car, but at the end of the day it's the driver's responsibility
Phil Nolan You lost me at the second sentence. Saying that it's somehow an unreasonable expectation to notice a light or flag colour while they're trying to win a race (its popular status notwithstanding) is nonsense. Let's make it a generic comment. 'You can't expect an exponent of a sport to notice a fundamental part of a sport when they are playing the sport.' That's what you're saying. If the rules of the sport demand the 'players' abide by a codified set of rules, then the players must do so. If, for whatever reason, the rules need changing to accommodate things like the physical incapacity of _all_ racing drivers to see marshals' flags, virtual or safety car signals, then they should be reviewed and amended. I read _and_ replied to your comment _before_ seeing the incident you're referring to, because it didn't require me to see it to point out its flaw. So imagine my surprise when I _saw_ what, and more importantly where and how Whincup passed the SC. I was expecting it to be heavy traffic, on a bend, low visibility, basically all the little elements that force the audience, and indeed the stewards, to go back over it and over it because there was an element of doubt around the circumstances under which the driver passed the SC. But NO, he was all alone, visibility was perfectly fine and it was at the tail end of Mountain Straight. Plenty of time for Whincup to see the SC and respond. In essence what I'm now saying is that your comment isn't just nonsensical, it's fucking retarded.
@@peterbarber7613 Phil is right, they were green when he crested the hill, then changed to orange soon after. They obviously saw him, realised he was the leader THEN changed the lights. They should have had the lights orange when he came over (they have track monitoring about where the cars are). And Jamie made the right choice to stay out and avoid stacking, giving them a chance. The only thing that can be said against Jamie however, is that he failed to notice the orange lights all the way up to turn 2, which is fair enough.
Too much pissing about to start with!! Call to Jamie should have been "safety car - pit, safety car-pit". Not the weak attitude that Dutton uses!! If that was the call Jamie would have pitted. SIMPLE!! Jamie wasn't told about safety car and assumed he had been incorrectly called. Fair enough I say given you can also see a car in front of him going onto the start/finish straight. As he said, he realised he was stuffed when he saw the safety car flags. SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE END OF IT. The rest of the issue was not Jamie's to answer. Poor safety car management, and a passing of the buck by whoever was responsible. They had the lights at green!! They chose ending Jamie's chances versus explaining to everyone else how and why they had STUFFED UP SO BADLY!!! SORT YOUR COMMUNICATION OUT RBR AND YOU DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE TO START WITH!!! Mark - racing legend in my eyes, but really, maybe finishing on the rear of the podium, or making a split decision based on the information he had to WIN the race? You know you would have made the same call!!
There are a couple of things going on here that I don't understand. First of all, given that motor racing is a team sport, it blows my mind that the guys in the garage, knowing they're miked, would dump on a driver on 'live' TV. I half-expect it from petulant drivers dumping on the team (Max Verstappen is a good, recent example), but the mindset of racing teams in the heat of battle seems oddly to have slipped in terms of the "win as a team, lose as a team" attitude of say, football. But the thing that really does my head in is the number of people that think Whincup was hard done by getting pinged for passing the SC. Clearly yellow, and a single yellow flag for good measure from the marshal. It couldn't have been any clearer.
Nx Doyle 95% of this was taped. The interview was the only thing that went out live. They were furious with him. He straight up ignored his bosses 3 times & then went & stuffed up it all up. A race team has 60 plus people & him, only him, went rogue & cost them the whole race. He’s an extremely egotistical person & has never been liked because of it. You saw it on display here, he thought he knew the weather better then people looking at a weather map for crying out loud.
I don't get why the whole not wanting to pit with Lowndes is such an issue. If this was a rookie or inexperienced driver then yeh fair do's. But this is one of the greatest drivers to ever drive in this series. So he thought he had more of a chance to win/get a better result by not wasting time pitting behind Lowndes and it didnt work.... I would rather have a driver with initiative who took a risk. He didn't endanger anyone and didnt compromise his teammate. I credit him for trying. Hope everyone's doing good and staying safe.
I think everyone missed the fact, that the safety car was actually allowing car #62, who was in last at the time, to unlap themselves. Thats why there were green lights, and Whincup failed to abide by the rules, so tough luck. Someone of his experience and success should know safety car procedures, simple
Ye ye he disobeyed the team and stuff but what was Dutto drinking at around 3.42?? Doesn’t look like red bull to me. Unless it’s a different strand red bull like a stevia strand, or like a don’t listen to me JDub strand 🤷🏽♂️
i hate triple eaight with a passion but i can honestley say just watching that footage back i was wrong back then the safety car lights were green just as he got to it they went orange.
just a thought, would the fact that dutton was his engineer that day, not his regular engineer dave cauchi, that had somethinh to do with that, and the communication between them isnt as great as between whincup and cauchi
The chick has no idea. Why is she even a commentator...? No problem with her being female but when all the men are ex-drivers and this doesn't apply to women it's bullshit. Furthermore it's embarrassing for woman.
Why do Australian racing commentators end up as loud white noise in my ear? All the shit they say just ends up as blahdy fucking blah. Now, I understand this is my problem, not yours, but when I hear Martin Brundle speak, for example, it's easy to listen to him. Whereas the blend of Australian commentators ends up as a pumpkins and potatoes mash of soundbites and trite one liners solely designed to ramp up drama. But if drama exists in the situation, there's no need the slather on more. I know they're invested emotionally, it's their job, but fucking hell, dial it down a _little_ bit.
I must be colour blind, because all I saw on the SC was Amber lights flashing. And I watched the race live, and i shouted then that JW had passed the SC illegally.
Phil Nolan Skaife is extremely biased towards Whincup & Red Bull. He actively goes out of his way to justify any negative action committed by them. He was on their payroll for years you know, he’s not someone who’s opinion can be fully trusted anymore.
Descisions he will regret,know doubt He simply lacks that dexterity most blokes want to find in a leader.and that unforetunately has never been his shining light.Bit of an odd one.but full of talent he should never have had.
Once again Jgrub doing his own thing racing at pace on safety car yellows and goes straight passed the SC then blames SC and the commentary for his own f#$k ups 😂😂😂😂😂
that little glue sniffer just didn't want to double stack behind Craig.... The Man CRAIG.!!!! Screw wingecup, Craig should be the main driver and even the owner of the team.
Mellissa McKee I agree Whincup is a champion driver and he has made champion decisions against team orders and one in the past he made a decision because he thought that maybe the team got it wrong double stacking ... this is why he has won 7 titles he is not a sheep he trusts his own intuition .. and that’s why he is a champion
Love to be a fly on the wall in the meeting after this race
After all his fuckips how in duck does he a drive
He knew if he came in behind Lowndes, he'd have lost the race because he'd be double stacked. Go big or go home...
And that makes it okay to ignore team orders......? Must be an inbreed thing.
@@meganjay30 he knew the consequences of that rather push for a win the give up
@@meganjay30its called experience where I'm from
To be fair the lights on the safety car changed way to late.
His fkn colour blindness just didn't turn off.... Like his fkn ears don't turn on..... Stop making up excuses for such a crack head.
Who's here after seeing Jdub overtake the safety car again at Pukekohe? Jdub loves doing his own thing.
Me hahahaha lol
Lol me after Bathurst 2019 and Pukekohe 😂. That guy is fkn minced in the head bad 🤣
@@meganjay30 maybe he just colourblind lol
The grub got what he deserved. I had the Misfortune of running into him after he knees my guide dog. He’s as stickup as oriole say.
@@Grant80, well I met him and he seemed quite nice but idk, everyone has different experiences.
I get not wanting to double stack but the safety car issue wasn't really an issue. Jdub was literally on the safety cars rear bumper by the time they orange lighted. Most drivers would have done the same and passed it as they're flooring it over 200kph. Literally no way to stop behind the safety car. Best they could have done was to have him pull up so the safety car could pass so he could follow. Handled poorly all round.
Maybe if he slammed on the anchors right at the last second he more than likely still wouldnt stop/slow down in time. If it was a more cynical driver being interviewed (eg me) i wouldve pointed out that at that speed i couldve potentially stayed behind the safety car... By rear ending it.
Hope you're doing good and staying safe mate.
@@MrMiD.Life.Crisis imagine if he did rear end it to avoid penalty. Haha. Sad seeing the sport changing the way it is though. As always, stay safe, just chilling in the lockdown.
Roland Dane getting Dutton to tell J Dub to pit is hilarious!
Note that the time they say pit this lap in the garage, before saying it to Jamie he is under the armor all bridge, then they wait and say pit, its too late. I am not a fanboy of Jamie, but respect him a lot, and he wasn't to blame for the wet situation, Roland and Dutton were
The lights were green on the safety car, then suddenly changed,. It is unfair to expect any driver to notice that when they are focused on winning the Great Race.Once the safety car is deployed ALL cars should follow it until after they pass the incident and it is safe to let the back-markers go and the race leader is then at the front of the queue.The flag marshals can control an incident on the track, then the safety car called when there is a reasonable time for teams to discuss this with their drivers and call them into the pits. Bathurst can be won or lost at the last pit stop, instead of genuine car pace and strategy.Incidence and safety cars can be unpredictable, but we want to see good hard racing on the track, so the officials must be on their A game and provide clear and consistent actions all the time.
Although good points, it would've made more sense to come into the pits, even go a little slower on entry, bit less time sitting idle, as opposed to having to suffer a drive through and if memory serves me correctly a pit stop under green
Whincup massively stuffed up, and in many respects the Safety Car, but at the end of the day it's the driver's responsibility
Phil Nolan it’s was years ago mate holy shit he’s a tosser let it go 😂😂
Phil Nolan You lost me at the second sentence. Saying that it's somehow an unreasonable expectation to notice a light or flag colour while they're trying to win a race (its popular status notwithstanding) is nonsense. Let's make it a generic comment. 'You can't expect an exponent of a sport to notice a fundamental part of a sport when they are playing the sport.'
That's what you're saying. If the rules of the sport demand the 'players' abide by a codified set of rules, then the players must do so. If, for whatever reason, the rules need changing to accommodate things like the physical incapacity of _all_ racing drivers to see marshals' flags, virtual or safety car signals, then they should be reviewed and amended.
I read _and_ replied to your comment _before_ seeing the incident you're referring to, because it didn't require me to see it to point out its flaw. So imagine my surprise when I _saw_ what, and more importantly where and how Whincup passed the SC. I was expecting it to be heavy traffic, on a bend, low visibility, basically all the little elements that force the audience, and indeed the stewards, to go back over it and over it because there was an element of doubt around the circumstances under which the driver passed the SC. But NO, he was all alone, visibility was perfectly fine and it was at the tail end of Mountain Straight. Plenty of time for Whincup to see the SC and respond. In essence what I'm now saying is that your comment isn't just nonsensical, it's fucking retarded.
Phil Nolan.there are not green lights there orange
@@peterbarber7613 Phil is right, they were green when he crested the hill, then changed to orange soon after. They obviously saw him, realised he was the leader THEN changed the lights. They should have had the lights orange when he came over (they have track monitoring about where the cars are). And Jamie made the right choice to stay out and avoid stacking, giving them a chance. The only thing that can be said against Jamie however, is that he failed to notice the orange lights all the way up to turn 2, which is fair enough.
Too much pissing about to start with!! Call to Jamie should have been "safety car - pit, safety car-pit". Not the weak attitude that Dutton uses!! If that was the call Jamie would have pitted. SIMPLE!! Jamie wasn't told about safety car and assumed he had been incorrectly called. Fair enough I say given you can also see a car in front of him going onto the start/finish straight. As he said, he realised he was stuffed when he saw the safety car flags. SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE END OF IT.
The rest of the issue was not Jamie's to answer. Poor safety car management, and a passing of the buck by whoever was responsible. They had the lights at green!! They chose ending Jamie's chances versus explaining to everyone else how and why they had STUFFED UP SO BADLY!!!
SORT YOUR COMMUNICATION OUT RBR AND YOU DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE TO START WITH!!!
Mark - racing legend in my eyes, but really, maybe finishing on the rear of the podium, or making a split decision based on the information he had to WIN the race? You know you would have made the same call!!
There are a couple of things going on here that I don't understand. First of all, given that motor racing is a team sport, it blows my mind that the guys in the garage, knowing they're miked, would dump on a driver on 'live' TV. I half-expect it from petulant drivers dumping on the team (Max Verstappen is a good, recent example), but the mindset of racing teams in the heat of battle seems oddly to have slipped in terms of the "win as a team, lose as a team" attitude of say, football.
But the thing that really does my head in is the number of people that think Whincup was hard done by getting pinged for passing the SC. Clearly yellow, and a single yellow flag for good measure from the marshal. It couldn't have been any clearer.
Nx Doyle 95% of this was taped. The interview was the only thing that went out live. They were furious with him. He straight up ignored his bosses 3 times & then went & stuffed up it all up. A race team has 60 plus people & him, only him, went rogue & cost them the whole race. He’s an extremely egotistical person & has never been liked because of it. You saw it on display here, he thought he knew the weather better then people looking at a weather map for crying out loud.
Love seeing this goose stuff up, hilarious 😂😂fell sorry for Dumbrell tho.
Crew should have said something like Saftey car pit this lap saftey car box box safety car
I don't get why the whole not wanting to pit with Lowndes is such an issue. If this was a rookie or inexperienced driver then yeh fair do's. But this is one of the greatest drivers to ever drive in this series. So he thought he had more of a chance to win/get a better result by not wasting time pitting behind Lowndes and it didnt work.... I would rather have a driver with initiative who took a risk. He didn't endanger anyone and didnt compromise his teammate. I credit him for trying.
Hope everyone's doing good and staying safe.
But he was called in he works for some one else whos pay his ride hes full of him self if it was my team he would not be driving in my team
i feel soo bad for Dumbrell
You're fired
I think everyone missed the fact, that the safety car was actually allowing car #62, who was in last at the time, to unlap themselves. Thats why there were green lights, and Whincup failed to abide by the rules, so tough luck. Someone of his experience and success should know safety car procedures, simple
@seanmeldrum. there were not green lights on when JW passed
Why do they persist with him
He continues to do his own own thing
Hello Darkness
JAMIE WHINCUP GOT A BIT SIDEWAYS
Is that Dutton guy deaf?
Not usually, remember that you have to make sure your driver isn’t mid corner when you get on the cans to them.
Ye ye he disobeyed the team and stuff but what was Dutto drinking at around 3.42?? Doesn’t look like red bull to me. Unless it’s a different strand red bull like a stevia strand, or like a don’t listen to me JDub strand 🤷🏽♂️
i hate triple eaight with a passion but i can honestley say just watching that footage back i was wrong back then the safety car lights were green just as he got to it they went orange.
Stopnthe bull shit he should have pitterd
From my perspective, the engineer needs to grow a set, he was too passive when roland was instructing him to pass on messages.
just a thought, would the fact that dutton was his engineer that day, not his regular engineer dave cauchi, that had somethinh to do with that, and the communication between them isnt as great as between whincup and cauchi
Why do people make excuses up for that dumb little wanker.....? Makes no sense to me.
@@robpaton2981 not as great ?! They’ve only won 5 championships together 🤣🤣
sorry@@JAMIEWHINCUP88 forgot about that bit😄
Whincup is right he wouldn't have much time to slow down cause the safety car is going slowly
When your going at the speeds they go and they tell you to pit 100 metres before the entry it’s a big hard to get to fort and pull to the side
The chick has no idea. Why is she even a commentator...? No problem with her being female but when all the men are ex-drivers and this doesn't apply to women it's bullshit. Furthermore it's embarrassing for woman.
She’s not a commentator ya fuck head she’s a fox sports presenter
It would have been fine if he went passed then slowed down and let him back through.
G.O.A.T cop that all you haterz ...x...
Yer your right he is the G.O.A.T, Garbage on a track 😂😂😂😂😂😂🖕🖕🖕🖕
Triple 8 need to put PD with SVG. Jamie isn't going to win Bathurst again.
Put CL with him.
Dont put CL with him Lowndes..at least wants to win bathurst 1 more time
Grade A flog. Disobeyed team orders.
He can sugar coat it as much as he wants
J Dub? Nah.. FLOG is more like it.
I wonder why my friends and I call him the whinge? Just curious?
Rubbish
@Ryan Poles Isn't that explaining the situation from his perspective. Not necessarily blaming them full stop.
Why do Australian racing commentators end up as loud white noise in my ear? All the shit they say just ends up as blahdy fucking blah. Now, I understand this is my problem, not yours, but when I hear Martin Brundle speak, for example, it's easy to listen to him. Whereas the blend of Australian commentators ends up as a pumpkins and potatoes mash of soundbites and trite one liners solely designed to ramp up drama. But if drama exists in the situation, there's no need the slather on more. I know they're invested emotionally, it's their job, but fucking hell, dial it down a _little_ bit.
I must be colour blind, because all I saw on the SC was Amber lights flashing. And I watched the race live, and i shouted then that JW had passed the SC illegally.
Biggest liar, dunno why Redbull keep him
Jacks Tipper it might be because he's a 6 time champion?
Luke Bauer yeah and lying about safety cars and costing Dumbrell a big win cause of his fkn selfishness he is a dirty Holden driver
Even Mark Skaife said the lights were green on the safety car and that Jamie would of had no time to react to them going orange. Jamie did not lie.
Phil Nolan Skaife is extremely biased towards Whincup & Red Bull. He actively goes out of his way to justify any negative action committed by them. He was on their payroll for years you know, he’s not someone who’s opinion can be fully trusted anymore.
Descisions he will regret,know doubt
He simply lacks that dexterity most blokes want to find in a leader.and that unforetunately has never been his shining light.Bit of an odd one.but full of talent he should never have had.
Once again Jgrub doing his own thing racing at pace on safety car yellows and goes straight passed the SC then blames SC and the commentary for his own f#$k ups 😂😂😂😂😂
Jamie Whincup is a flog. Might have won 600 titles in ten years but it takes more than statistics to be remembered as a champion.
Wade Dixon shut up
that little glue sniffer just didn't want to double stack behind Craig.... The Man CRAIG.!!!! Screw wingecup, Craig should be the main driver and even the owner of the team.
YURI that’ll never happen they give Craig the shittest car they have and they only worry about Whincup and van gisbergan winning
I wish it did, kick Wingecup out of the team and have RBHRT consist of Lowndes and Van Gisbergen.
Your the one winging
Mellissa McKee I agree Whincup is a champion driver and he has made champion decisions against team orders and one in the past he made a decision because he thought that maybe the team got it wrong double stacking ... this is why he has won 7 titles he is not a sheep he trusts his own intuition .. and that’s why he is a champion