The Push-Up Iceberg Explained!

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  • Опубликовано: 19 янв 2025

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  • @calimove
    @calimove  4 месяца назад +126

    Hey guys, we hope you like this new format. Did you already know all 16 Things before or could you learn something new about Push-Ups?

    • @SachinSinghhhh
      @SachinSinghhhh 4 месяца назад +6

      Yes buddy been following u since last 5yrs

    • @manuelgonzales6483
      @manuelgonzales6483 4 месяца назад +1

      Good information, just in time for me. I'm starting a push up regimen. THANKS 😊🎉

    • @Virgin_Buoy_69
      @Virgin_Buoy_69 4 месяца назад +1

      Pls make a vdo on calisthenics movements , that only 1 percent of men / women in the world can do
      🙏🙏🙏

    • @annasayaz3141
      @annasayaz3141 4 месяца назад

      Next Pullup Iceberg

    • @eleggs
      @eleggs 4 месяца назад +1

      ​@superkayingyi not really

  • @SaturnoMovement
    @SaturnoMovement 4 месяца назад +250

    This was a genius way of presenting the push-up brothers! Love the format and I am sure many will too! -Gabo

  • @audriusbaranauskas6227
    @audriusbaranauskas6227 4 месяца назад +153

    White shorts - Common knowledge
    Light blue shorts - Deep knowledge
    Blue shorts - Secrets

    • @SachinSinghhhh
      @SachinSinghhhh 4 месяца назад +4

      Who is white short guy?😂 Blue one is this guy ik ..

    • @1MarkKeller
      @1MarkKeller 4 месяца назад +1

      Kool!

    • @Nontefonte-m6f
      @Nontefonte-m6f 3 месяца назад

      He is wearing this blue shorts for a decade 😄

    • @jasonsanders-fox5131
      @jasonsanders-fox5131 3 месяца назад +1

      This guy should be wearing Navy Blue shorts or even Black with his type of knowledge 😂😂

  • @virgilioximenes2574
    @virgilioximenes2574 4 месяца назад +80

    Waiting for squat and pull-up iceberg!

    • @Riley._.Pierce1
      @Riley._.Pierce1 4 месяца назад +2

      Yo, I need this.

    • @hatgamer4162
      @hatgamer4162 4 месяца назад +2

      @@Riley._.Pierce1 ey yo me too

    • @dekun007
      @dekun007 4 месяца назад +3

      Duuude. Yes this would be awesome. No need to look any other vids then.

    • @tongmaread
      @tongmaread 3 месяца назад +1

      3 goat of bodyweight i also need it

  • @baligo3760
    @baligo3760 4 месяца назад +24

    Dear Calimove, you were my inspiration to start with calisthenics 10 years ago!. Started from very poor shape, with shoulders joints having serious conditions, here I am now, slowly grinding and adding stars on my belt - I achieved handstand, Lsit, muscle up and straddle front lever .. working on my next goal now - straddle planche :)
    Thank you for all the guidance and inspiration!
    Now what I would love to see from you guys is calisthenics for kids. Starting with some basics and combined with some fun would be great. I havent found quality info in the tube until now and the onsite courses are not always available.
    C'mon, who else than experts like you can help better with that task, consider it as a challenge ;)

  • @sepehr4357
    @sepehr4357 4 месяца назад +113

    10 correct push-ups are better than 50 incorrect push-ups.

    • @ynghuch
      @ynghuch 4 месяца назад +3

      That logic has been overblown. Do 50 incorrect push ups (if you can) and tell me it wasn't hard.

    • @sebastianahrens2385
      @sebastianahrens2385 4 месяца назад +15

      @@ynghuch As someone who just discovered they're doing it (partially) wrong, the bad technique definitely made it feel easier. Not a factor of 5 in terms of strength required, but bad technique doesn't stop there. At best, you're stressing your muscles in wrong proportions, at worst, you're working towards an injury.
      So, in terms of beginner training, I'd absolutely second the original statement. Once your technique is fine, the amount of reps will come automatically.

  • @HexZwo
    @HexZwo 4 месяца назад +16

    The editing is insanely well done.

  • @BrasilTrix
    @BrasilTrix 4 месяца назад +26

    The best video on push-up ever?

    • @elioks
      @elioks 4 месяца назад +2

      best video on push-up ever

  • @Mekhel
    @Mekhel 4 месяца назад +10

    This is amazing information! Please these iceberg videos for other exercises too, your knowledge is extremely valuable

  • @SamplePerspectiveImporta-hq3ip
    @SamplePerspectiveImporta-hq3ip 4 месяца назад +2

    This is exactly what I needed, thank you! I especially appreciate the tips about shoulder issues, which I have been experiencing as I push into the 10-12 rep range for standard pushups.
    Also, would love to see a similar video for pull ups!

  • @boooliyooo
    @boooliyooo 4 месяца назад +6

    one video SOLVE MANY QUESTIONS. Impressive as always!

  • @Riley._.Pierce1
    @Riley._.Pierce1 4 месяца назад +4

    Since I started following this channel, I've been doing 10 push-ups before each video I watch, and recently, I did about 70 push-ups in a row in front of my school in different variations, I started with one-hand, then I did about every other variation I knew, I was barely able to move after, but it was so cool.

    • @leoncimi08gem65
      @leoncimi08gem65 4 месяца назад +1

      Ggs man! I’m gonna start as well!😁

    • @Riley._.Pierce1
      @Riley._.Pierce1 4 месяца назад

      @@leoncimi08gem65 Let's go!! You got it!!

    • @Riley._.Pierce1
      @Riley._.Pierce1 4 месяца назад +1

      @@leoncimi08gem65 Nice! Also, I do 20 for movies, but each time I leave the room and come back, I do 10 more. I also do 10 for each match of a video game I want to play, and any push ups I didn't do that day are doubled and need to be done on the next day. One more thing, I do push ups and hollow crunches on alternating days ( Monday push-ups, Tuesday hollow crunches). Good luck!!
      Ps: try to get some friends on board, I want as many people as possible doing this.

    • @leoncimi08gem65
      @leoncimi08gem65 4 месяца назад +1

      @@Riley._.Pierce1 WOW, that’s some pushing! I’m gonna do pull-ups tho, I really gotta improve on those!
      And I’ll challenge some friends to doing it😁

    • @Riley._.Pierce1
      @Riley._.Pierce1 4 месяца назад

      @@leoncimi08gem65 nice!

  • @filippocannizzaro7065
    @filippocannizzaro7065 3 месяца назад +1

    Do this format with pull-ups and other exercises too! its an effective way to show the basics and also more advanced tips and tricks

  • @1brah1m.777
    @1brah1m.777 3 месяца назад

    Haven’t seen this channel in a long while. So glad to see how far this channel has grown over the years. Keep it up, sven and eleggs!

  • @ethanblackthorn3533
    @ethanblackthorn3533 4 месяца назад +3

    Thank you for the video! Looking forward to the pull-up iceberg!

  • @Haridtoon
    @Haridtoon 4 месяца назад +10

    The content that we never expect

    • @dekun007
      @dekun007 4 месяца назад

      But the content that we need :)

  • @kkkjkk641
    @kkkjkk641 4 месяца назад

    Straight to the point and excellent production quality. Simply the best channel!

  • @martinschulz1524
    @martinschulz1524 3 месяца назад

    Best tutorial for push ups I have watched so far! Thank you so much, together with pull ups, the only upper body workouts which will give you most benefits especially when you have a tight daily time schedule. Brilliant hints (and graphics!) to the real anatomical background when you use full ROM.

  • @entspannter_hase
    @entspannter_hase 4 месяца назад

    Hey guys, just wanted to leave a comment here because it was you who got me into calisthenics more than 4 years ago during the pandemic. I’ve since moved on to other channels like Jeff Nippard but still only do calisthenics training and couldn’t be happier. I hope you can bring many more people on a healthy path with your work. Grüße aus Hessen!

  • @1UnstoppableForce
    @1UnstoppableForce 4 месяца назад

    this was actually a really great video! loved the deep dive on pushups, gave me lots of insights for myself in working with this movement

  • @keanur4460
    @keanur4460 4 месяца назад +2

    I love how they find every six months a better way to explain push ups. Everytime I think now they explained everything 😂

  • @daviddk1988
    @daviddk1988 4 месяца назад +2

    I knew about all of these facts, cause I follow the channel since 2020 and I learned a LOT!!

  • @modestas108
    @modestas108 4 месяца назад +1

    Superb quality as always!! Just when you think everything about push ups is there Calimove just shows that there is still what to show 😅 Thanks a lot Calimove!!

  • @ReincarnatedSongs
    @ReincarnatedSongs 3 месяца назад

    I love this channel. The lessons in proper form are worth their weight in gold. Will be at the online store soon.

  • @elioks
    @elioks 4 месяца назад +1

    after 15+ years doing workouts on my home I learned how to do pushups properly, thanks !

  • @perotal
    @perotal 4 месяца назад +2

    Nice new format

  • @natik111
    @natik111 4 месяца назад +2

    One of your best vids

  • @Sergio2006A
    @Sergio2006A 4 месяца назад +7

    Ring push-ups are the best.

  • @ruphus02
    @ruphus02 24 дня назад

    What I found really good to help against shoulder pain during any kind of chest exercise is to actually warm up you rotator cuffs before any chest exercise. Even with pain active helped me a lot during the movement and do eventually get rid of it.

  • @dekun007
    @dekun007 4 месяца назад +3

    Hallo ihr lieben. Ich muss jedesmal an euren Auftritt beim Raab denken wenn ich ein Video von euch sehe. Ich versende es an alle trainierenden Kollegen. Die die gerade anfangen oder schon dabei sind. Ich bin immer wieder extrem dankbar für eure detaillierte und aufklärende Videos!!!
    P.S. 4:04 das war der sauberste "one arm push up den ich je gesehen habe 💪
    Edit: Ich habe gelernt das ich bei den erhöhten PushUps nicht übertreiben muss bzw. keinen zusätzlichen nutzen erhalte bei grosser Tiefe/Höhe. Ebenso finde ich die Erwähnung super gut dass die sehr breiten/weiten PushUps ebenso keinen zusätzlichen, sondern einen begrenzenden Effekt haben. Liebe geht raus, freue mich habt ihr meinen KOmmentar gesehen :)

  • @AutomotiveTest-z5e
    @AutomotiveTest-z5e 4 месяца назад +2

    Awesome video guys, as always! Would love to see a video like this for pull ups, squats and planks too!

  • @Ricardo__Milos
    @Ricardo__Milos 4 месяца назад +1

    CaliMove doing icebergs. Nice.

  • @hanssassin
    @hanssassin 4 месяца назад

    Wonderful video! Extremely detailed about the muscles activation and this presentation is very easy to assimilate.

  • @polylangh2635
    @polylangh2635 4 месяца назад

    Brothers never disappoint! Amazing video

  • @nemesyssss
    @nemesyssss 4 месяца назад +4

    Now you HAVE to do the pull up ice berg!

  • @nikobb2702
    @nikobb2702 4 месяца назад +1

    Thanks Alex!

  • @kc96pl
    @kc96pl 4 месяца назад +2

    Pull ups next. Im curious, how well do chest to bars activate certain back muscle with scapula depression + abduction and shoulder extension during movement.

  • @VelhaGuardaTricolor
    @VelhaGuardaTricolor 3 месяца назад

    6:39 That is not the rotator cuff ( the rotator cuff is not one muscle but a combination of muscles and tendons btw ) That is Teres Minor and Major. Love you guys! Thanks LX!

  • @benjibenj7
    @benjibenj7 4 месяца назад

    What an excellent video! Thank you!

  • @vicentejesus7230
    @vicentejesus7230 4 месяца назад +1

    I absolutely adore this person! They're practically my idol.

  • @ElBoyoElectronico
    @ElBoyoElectronico 4 месяца назад +1

    Best push-up video ever!

  • @piotrbadyga4906
    @piotrbadyga4906 4 месяца назад

    Great format, please do more 😉

  • @danksama7368
    @danksama7368 4 месяца назад +1

    Thanks really need this

  • @bawajibia3656
    @bawajibia3656 4 месяца назад

    This is.amazing and exciting to practice it. You are well appreciated

  • @odnilniloc
    @odnilniloc 3 месяца назад

    Absolutely superb! Thank you 🙏🏽

  • @againstjebelallawz
    @againstjebelallawz 4 месяца назад

    I wholeheartedly oppose shoulders being away from the ears; in general, shoulders should be close by the ears.

  • @jirib.5735
    @jirib.5735 4 месяца назад

    Perfektní zábava během zimy. Díky za rady👍👍👍

  • @georgepap860
    @georgepap860 4 месяца назад +1

    Lately, I've been working out the Mike Mentzer way, doing my workouts with bodyweight as well as weight, plenty of rest between workouts(4+), only 1 set per excersise, 4-5 excersices per workout for maximum effort. I.e. for pullups -1 set till ABSOLUTE failure(cant even lower at a good pace), and after lots of rest days try that again... Best results I ever made, started at 10 pull ups and went up to 16 last week. Not to mention that i feel stronger every workout. Would you guys be interested in exploring that type of training ? or at least an opinion. Danke !

  • @itai0301
    @itai0301 4 месяца назад

    10/10 video please more on pullup and squat

  • @meklitnew
    @meklitnew 4 месяца назад

    Excellent, many thanks.

  • @452Fitness
    @452Fitness 4 месяца назад

    Awesome information brother...

  • @Stevn895
    @Stevn895 4 месяца назад +2

    Can you guys make videos like this from other basic exercises, like pull-up, or dips?

  • @ssgamer5693
    @ssgamer5693 4 месяца назад +1

    Pullup next pls❤

  • @kevinrodriguez-rk4lj
    @kevinrodriguez-rk4lj 4 месяца назад

    The pull up explained coming soon... :D Thanks for share the information

  • @ipoh1213
    @ipoh1213 3 месяца назад

    Using stairs in up and down direction works for me

  • @loganmedia1142
    @loganmedia1142 7 дней назад

    Seems there is research demonstrating that you can potentially get the full benefit of a strength exercise by training exclusively in the partial range where the muscle is more elongated. So for triceps you'd only need to do the lower half of the push-up.

    • @calimove
      @calimove  7 дней назад

      This is already outdated. They did a new study with trained individuals and there where no significant differences between full range or partial reps. The stretcxhed part of the lift is still the most important but partials are not superior or full reps (for most exercises).

  • @ayushkumr30
    @ayushkumr30 3 месяца назад

    I faced wrist pain while doing pushup but after following explained method i could do it without issues

  • @Hibbaan2806
    @Hibbaan2806 4 месяца назад

    Great vid

  • @Jacob-uk4kl
    @Jacob-uk4kl 4 месяца назад +1

    Thanks a lot

  • @kgal9657
    @kgal9657 4 месяца назад +3

    4:20 I wasn't watching at that second and thought, "what the frick is a Barry White pushup????" Lmao 😂

  • @ubikcalisthenic5440
    @ubikcalisthenic5440 3 месяца назад

    Super clean video thank you. Do you plan to make the same format for Dips ?

  • @JanetePlus
    @JanetePlus 4 месяца назад

    Amazing great ❤thanks!

  • @mr-sam-jax
    @mr-sam-jax 4 месяца назад

    damn this video is awesome 🔥

  • @angellohector
    @angellohector 4 месяца назад +1

    @calimove what are your thoughts on the Mike Tyson push up? Thanks

    • @calimove
      @calimove  4 месяца назад +3

      We're already working on a video about the Mike Tyson Push Ups, stay tuned!

  • @kevinsabbagh6566
    @kevinsabbagh6566 4 месяца назад +4

    Question: What’s the best way to overload pushups besides adding weight?

    • @calimove
      @calimove  4 месяца назад +5

      03:46

    • @akro2103
      @akro2103 4 месяца назад +2

      rest less time

    • @figsigger6422
      @figsigger6422 4 месяца назад

      @@akro2103 nope that is worse as you cannot activate as many motor units so you do not get as much stimulus from that set. Always rest at least 2-3 minutes
      between sets

    • @vpviswajith6501
      @vpviswajith6501 4 месяца назад +2

      Increase volume. Means do more reps and sets.

    • @naivet
      @naivet 4 месяца назад

      You can do pushups until failure or until losing form and then without resting do an easier variation, like knee push ups. That can also be combined or replaced with partial reps in the lower part of the movement, I think those are great when you are already tired since it keeps the tension in the stretched position.

  • @joergbremer8770
    @joergbremer8770 4 месяца назад

    very nice ...good explanations

  • @Bangertage
    @Bangertage 4 месяца назад +1

    Do a pull up up iceberg

  • @Nemanja-v2r
    @Nemanja-v2r 4 месяца назад

    This is exactly why i stopped training and i only do mobility and stretching nowdays.
    Every exercise has 100 duded teaching you how to do it differently and every years something new magical appears for that exercises.

    • @eleggs
      @eleggs 4 месяца назад

      Actually there is nothing magically new here. Everything we said in this video was already in earlier Videos of ours. So it's just some kind of conclusion. But yeah it also happens that new findings come out because new studies were done that found something that hasn't been researched before very well. So if you learn something new, just try it and see if it applies to you. But of course mobility is a very nice training as well 💪🏻

  • @AMIREMTIAZIKOLVANGH1999
    @AMIREMTIAZIKOLVANGH1999 4 месяца назад

    Very good ❤❤❤thank you

  • @mateusz3541
    @mateusz3541 4 месяца назад

    Those were the deepest handstand pushups i've seen

  • @jhongonzalez7777
    @jhongonzalez7777 4 месяца назад +1

    abduction can be with inner and out pushups?? like jumping in the ground? like clap pushups??

    • @calimove
      @calimove  4 месяца назад +1

      No because when you adduct your arms in the air you have no resistence coming from the side.

    • @jhongonzalez7777
      @jhongonzalez7777 4 месяца назад

      @@calimove thanks for answering 😎

  • @Hustlery
    @Hustlery 4 месяца назад +1

    4 months of elevated deficit pike push up and I cant still wall handstand push up, any help??

    • @parzingtheasian
      @parzingtheasian 4 месяца назад +1

      go deeper, get a full stretch and pause at the bottom for maximum muscle hypertrophy. make sure to rest and drink lots of water

  • @vicentejesus7230
    @vicentejesus7230 4 месяца назад

    This guy is incredible! He can do a whole Bible explaining how each exercise affects your body, all from so much physical work. 😉

  • @nesar_05
    @nesar_05 4 месяца назад

    Thanks God I have this channel!

  • @TWrzalek
    @TWrzalek 4 месяца назад

    As a fellow noob calisthenics athlete, i approve

  • @SachinSinghhhh
    @SachinSinghhhh 4 месяца назад +3

    My kness are bent a little but upper body form is perfect! Is that correct?

    • @clo_scrive
      @clo_scrive 4 месяца назад +2

      i’d say yes !! as you get stronger , try to straighten your legs and you’re good !

    • @SachinSinghhhh
      @SachinSinghhhh 4 месяца назад +2

      They are off the floor , only bent a little 😢.. and except that every thing is fine .. can easily do any type of pushups

    • @clo_scrive
      @clo_scrive 4 месяца назад +2

      @@SachinSinghhhh you can still do it the way i said !! it’s a matter of becoming stronger and you’re very close to do a full push up, be patient , rest well and keep going !!!

  • @HouariBoudjema-u8c
    @HouariBoudjema-u8c 4 месяца назад

    I want to hear your opinion about the relationship between coffee and nutritionist absorption

  • @Leah777...
    @Leah777... 4 месяца назад

    Thank you

  • @gaminguceyt
    @gaminguceyt 4 месяца назад +4

    Amazing Video... Please Make A Video On One Leg squats

    • @nemure
      @nemure 4 месяца назад

      Overrated and dangerous exercise, a tutorial about it probably won't be seen here

    • @Martin28_
      @Martin28_ 4 месяца назад

      ​@@nemurewhy Dangerous ?

    • @nemure
      @nemure 4 месяца назад

      @@Martin28_ because to do it properly you need massive flexibility and strength.
      If you lack any of the 2 you'll do it poorly and has a big risk of knee injury.
      Moreover if you do it wrong enough time will end causing knee pains and ligament issues.

    • @Martin28_
      @Martin28_ 4 месяца назад

      @@nemure ah OK i do assist Pistole squats

  • @babjichandrasekhargullapal2219
    @babjichandrasekhargullapal2219 4 месяца назад +1

    Notification Squad is in active 💯
    Don't forget to wear Blue Shorts before doing Pushups.

  • @BerndSeichter
    @BerndSeichter 4 месяца назад

    Very nice! So better no push ups than bad form push ups when approaching failure?

    • @eleggs
      @eleggs 4 месяца назад

      When you come close to the end of you set and notice you form suffers its better to stop the set, because neither doe hypertrophy nor for strength adaptation you need to go ALL out. So even if you stop 3-4 reps shy of failure you'll get some good effects. Of course this depends on the rep range. If you do a 5RM and stop at 4 RIR it won't be that effective 😂

  • @usoyade6122
    @usoyade6122 4 месяца назад

    Paulaner Spezi im Hintergrund, ich liebs 😂

  • @ApeironTO
    @ApeironTO 4 месяца назад

    7:21 you marked obliques more than the serratus xd

  • @Alanrings7
    @Alanrings7 4 месяца назад

    Can I ask you, which is better?
    Weight ring archer push ups vs weighted ring normal push ups with RTO?
    I do weighted ring archer push ups as I enjoy them the most.

  • @kwanelesbonokuhle6111
    @kwanelesbonokuhle6111 3 месяца назад

    Which push up is more effective between the full range motion and half reps when doing pushups?

  • @siddharthadas1040
    @siddharthadas1040 2 месяца назад

    I can do 9 reps max with proper form for the full push up. Is it better to do three sets of 6 or two sets of 9?

  • @Marco-xz7rf
    @Marco-xz7rf 4 месяца назад

    Since like ~ 2015 I have an annoying pain in the pack, right under the right shoulder blade.Also at the same time, I noticed that on my chest, right where the ribs connect in the middle piece, I had some popping, every time I did some chest stuff. So I had to push outwards my chest and the on right rib popped back into place. Go some time forward, now i know all this is connected. So apparently it seems, that something in my right should is f'ed and it spreads outwards through the front and back ribs back into where those are connected to the rest of the body. Some movement in my right shoulder hurts, but its nothing too bad, its only in a weird position behind my back. But when i do it, I also feel the back in the chest. And that pain is really annoying, really burning. If I do some push ups regular, my chest pain will be permanent burning.
    If you have any idea what I could do to get rid of this :( I have this problem since ~ 2015 ... almost 10 years an so far no one could help me. I found some movements that help for a short time. Only solution so far is not doing certain exercises which sucks. I also have asthma and what not and it is so annoying, that the only solution for some things is to quit doing sports, which overall will jsut make you sick and worse overall even more :( :( :(

  • @isaiasabinadisosagarcia936
    @isaiasabinadisosagarcia936 4 месяца назад

    Invaluable info!

  • @angelsureshkarki
    @angelsureshkarki 4 месяца назад

    some say don't protract or retract during pushup for shoulder health and u say opposite..so let us not believe any1 and do it ourself

  • @subzero352
    @subzero352 4 месяца назад

    What is the shoe he wears? How it calls and where I can by it?

  • @carlitoelbandido3562
    @carlitoelbandido3562 4 месяца назад

    Nice

  • @shawnofdadead1805
    @shawnofdadead1805 4 месяца назад

    What are those sock/shoes you're wearing?

    • @e.j.957
      @e.j.957 4 месяца назад

      Water shoes. "BALLOP Skin Fit Triangle" blue. Website says they're designed for calisthenics, water sports or outdoor activities.

    • @shawnofdadead1805
      @shawnofdadead1805 4 месяца назад +1

      @@e.j.957 Thank you.

  • @redreuben5260
    @redreuben5260 3 месяца назад

    You missed a bit.
    Raising the feet ?

  • @Vikash3_
    @Vikash3_ 4 месяца назад

    Do video for pull upps

  • @myershalloween8763
    @myershalloween8763 4 месяца назад

    How can I progress from archer to one arm push up, thanks in advance

    • @SachinSinghhhh
      @SachinSinghhhh 4 месяца назад +3

      If you have enough strength first try to do it in inclined, then on floor ( on knees) then the perfect one arm by placing ur legs at the correct position

  • @Riwazstrong
    @Riwazstrong 4 месяца назад

    Op video 😅

  • @boombap3454
    @boombap3454 4 месяца назад

    You used to be more muscular. What happened?

  • @earninggainer8491
    @earninggainer8491 4 месяца назад

    I am doing bodytransformation program I have a question I am doing archer version of the progression and I have to splite sets do I also need splite rest time because it takes to long to complete my workout😢😢.
    Plz help 😭

  • @just_golden1085
    @just_golden1085 4 месяца назад

    Ain't no way there's a pushup iceberg too 💀💀

  • @spookyodin
    @spookyodin 4 месяца назад

    That tattoo behind the back reminds me of someone...