Old Timer Genuine Bone pocket knives. High Quality for an exceptional price.
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- Опубликовано: 25 сен 2024
- This is an overview of some high quality traditional pocket knives from Old Timer.
Purchase links:
80TB Senior: amzn.to/1SoX3mc
8580tb Lumberjack: amzn.to/1Piq84S
720tb Dogleg Jack: amzn.to/1kYXrNH
950tb Large Gunstock Trapper: amzn.to/1PiqxEo
340tb Middleman: amzn.to/1kYXOb5
940tb Gunstock Trapper: amzn.to/1PiqUiy
I have my great grandfathers old timer, and it's an amazing knife. The blades are half the size of what they used to be because he used and sharpened it so often it's just been worn down over the decades and still works beautifully
That is one of the real ones back when they were made in the USA and not Red China.
Dad bought me one when I was 7. . .that was 55 years ago. I sadly had to retire the knife earlier this year. Very good tool.
$$$$$oltimer 858,,1970
Why did you retire it?????
@@nunyafuckinbizniz blade broke.
I remember in the 60’s as a kid gazing into the display case at the hardware store wish I could take one of each knife home. I still remember the feeling of getting my first Old Timer and a Barlow.
Love the classic designs. Beautiful in their own right and perfect for most EDC tasks as they don't draw fearful stares in public
I agree. These are much more socially acceptable.
@@MichaelTravis12c27 how much is a 3 blade oldtimer penut in mint condition worth.
@@MichaelTravis12c27 howdy Travis,
I found a old timer pen style knife at tractor supply with a 10 inch Bowie style knife, both bone for 24.99.
The pen style has a number on blade of 0622.
I cannot find it anywhere on internet whatsoever.
Both of these knives I describe come in a combo.
My problem is I do not want a pen knife without a lock blade.
I don't even know if old timer has a locking single blade pen knife that has a two or 2.5 inch blade when open.
What do you think.
I'm a big Case knives guy. I own 7. I love classic pocket knives. Thanks for the review.
I've been looking at Case. I'm going to need to add one to the collection.
These modern Old Timer knives are made in China, and quality apparently is equal to Rough Rider quality. (Good enough for the low price range of Rough Rider...$12 to $ 30)
My older Old Timers all have a plastic material (Delrin) for their covers, which I prefer over bone. Almost all of my older bone handled knives have developed cracks at the pin areas, whereas the faux bone scales/covers have handled the ravages of time without any cracks or damage.
My Dad bought me an Old Timer when I was 7 (or 56 years ago). It finally broke about a year ago.
@Francisco Braydon can you hack the combination to my fathers liquor cabinet ?
I have a large collection of the older USA made old timers and love them.
i want a 125OT in schrade+, what you got ?
I have the small size 3 blade Stockman. Lived in my pocket for almost 15 years now...my long term test update if you will. Mine is stamped USA and the blades are high carbon steel which of course tended to want to rust so. I solved that by simply cold bluing the blades...end of problem. In the category of EDC, this truly is EDC! People really need to get with these knives! Good for you on this presentation!
I've suggested that they introduce some models in D2 or 1095. We will see if they ever do.
I really like these things a lot.
My father always had one of these knives on him. And I mean always. At work, fishing, and at home. Thank you for this video.
Great video. I'm looking to update my old 80t, so I've been researching. Iv'e had this knife since the 80's, so it's very ingrained in my thoughts. The style and look is what draws me to the Old Timer brand. But since I'm wanting to support my fellow countrymen, I'm looking for an American made product. I'm looking at Moore Maker, Bear and sons, Case, and Buck. There are a couple more, but they are very expensive. Those four are in what I consider the "affordable" range.
I still think there is a place for these (import) knives, though. This is a great "first" knife. And in time, an up grade to something that fits the individual better. Be it better steel, different design/style, or more personalized (ie, side scales, etc). But for a starter knife, these are great. These are more "disposable" for youngsters to start with. But older folks will want something better.
I may still pick up one of these, to give it a test out, for myself. Thanks again, for your video.
I have had a couple of good experiences with Case.
I have been using a Schrade Uncle Henry LB7 that I bought at the Schrade factory store in 1985 in Ellenville NY. It's as good as new. I also bought a rigger's knife with a marlin spike there to use on my sailboat. Unfortunately, I lost the rigger's knife over the side of the boat. The USA made knives were excellent, and had 440C steel. In my opinion, the fit and finish on the Schrade knives was better than the ones from Buck.
Love the old-timer knives!
Thank you for the review. Im going to purchase a stockman 8580TB now because of your video. I was unsure of the quality but now I know that it will be a very smart purchase.
+Emilio Lopez I think you will be quite happy with your purchase. Thanks for watching.
Happy with my recently purchased 4" (3" blade) non locking one. Perfect for UK knife laws, used it to strip some wood bark and thread some leather today with good results. Blade arrived not quite as sharp as I'd have liked so took 10 mins sharpening using small inexpensive ceramic sharpener (not the stone type) and it was good to go. I'm a lay user too and the knife seemed very practical and was able to help me thread the leather with relative confidence, a task I hadn't attempted before. Am going on a hike later and will be taking it with me.
My dad always carried an Old Timer knife and he bought me my first knife when I was 10. I have bought another one since then and I have bought several down through the years as gifts. The last one I bought my friend asked me if I knew they were made in China now and I said I did not. He showed it to me and sure enough it was marked China. He hadn't used it so I took it back to the store and swapped it for a Case. I'll never buy another one and from now on when I go to get one for a friend or kinsman it will be a Case.
I sold them new in my store in the 80's and 90's when they were Imperial Schrade USA. Had their display case and the whole nine yards. Never had one come back and sold a ton of them. Good knives.
Great review! I have the 95OTB trapper. It is a wonderful EDC knife for me. It holds it edge very well. I have several Old Timer knives and they do well in the real world.
I am extremely happy with these knives.
Its something special with folders like this. Mostly we use "tactical" looking blades but this ones are beutiful. This is also a knife you can put out in public and not scare the shit out of people that are not use to them. And everybody can open them. Its a classic.
I have really enjoyed these. You are right about using them in public. I used these for cutting up food quite often and no one pays any attention to them.
Great presentation on traditional knives. It’s easy to be seduced by a lot of the more exotic, higher end, overly expensive knives that purport to make a statement. But there is something very satisfying about owning a simple blade just like the one your grandfather had when you were a kid.
Thanks. I really enjoyed the look at these knives.
+Joe P thanks for watching.
I just got a 95OTB large trapper by mail. For the most part, it's a pretty nice knife. Nice strong back springs, the blades are razor sharp right out of the box.....bone to bolster fit and finish is smooth. The one thing that I don't like is the back spring rivet is super proud.....I'm talking like 1/8" proud. It's a factory screw-up, but I can fix it easily with a Dremel and just grind it down smooth to my liking. For the price I paid I can't bitch too loud. I do wish these knives were made in New York like the old days, but then again I'd be paying a lot more for it.
Thanks for the overview and coverage on these knives. I was looking for a larger stockman and this lumberjack was just the size I was looking for. I was looking for a Case or Bear and Son, but they didn't have one in the larger size. I wanted to buy a US made knife, but I couldn't find one to fit the bill and was afraid the imports might not be worth the money. Your video cleared up those concerns. Purchased with your link. Thanks again!
Thanks! I'm glad I could be of some help. I hope you like the knife.
The knife arrived and it is pretty nice. The reports I had seen from some other people about thin blades and poor quality just don't appear to be true. I don't know what knife they were looking at, but this Lumberjack I ordered is nice. For the money that is a hard deal to beat. Thanks again for the video. I hope more people check out these knives as I think they will be impressed for the money spent. I may have to pick up a couple more to have in vehicles, and other bags and kits I have around here.
The knives are nice always like that brand The only problem is those aren't made in America anymore other than that they're still nice knives Good review Love the trapper I have a camillus Love the knife still use it 440 stainless steel made in the USA broke my heart when the company stopped making those knives both companies after over 100 years stop making them
They are easily found on the online auction sites. They are a much better buy than Chinese made knives.
I have a couple Old Timer folders,,,I don't believe the ones I have are real bone,,,,but those real bone ones look exquisitely classy,,,glad You gave a Amazon link,,,Take Care
FYI, the O is not a zero. It is OT for old timer.
Lol! Yeah, I figured that out after the video.
wait...so wha'ts the B stand for?
@@TjPhysicist bone
Those are beautiful! Nice review Mike!
Thanks Joe!
I Acquired about 40 plus knives from an estate all American made with the Exception of a few Victorinox & Wenger Swiss Army knives, all are like new or light uses. In the Collection there are Many Case, Buck, Cutco & Schrade knives.
Over a third are US made Schrade brands like Old Timer, Uncle Henry & Schrade Scrimshaw. Most of the Schrade knife tangs state their "Schrade +"
It would be interesting to compare the old US made Old Timer vs the Newer ones.
I can confirm the newer made Uncle Henry aren't made as nice as the old US made knives, I received a gift set a few Christmas ago.
The medium stockman is thee best pocket knife ever made. It fits me perfectly. I have bought new models and ball bearing, frame lock, axis lock what what ever. None could replace my 20 plus year old medium stockman from peeling an apple to stripping wire and biltong. The grip in hand can not be beat. Pity we dont have any in South Africa anymore. Need to get me a spare one.
You made a very good review.Detailed info and excellent video quality and close ups.
+ogostaboy thank you!
I have like a hundred old timer knives what about 38 but they all stay exactly the same quality wise I love them and they were my first knife when I was 9
I remain impressed with these.
Me too I had almost the exact same knives but different look to it
Got the 80t, 340t, great Chinese made knife.
You can buy vintage USA made schrade/old timers on eBay with carbon steel blades for around $30. I feel they are a much better deal, with none of the “dealing with China” issues.
I hear that a lot, but better how? They have plastic scales and 1084 steel. Carbon steel is good, but only if it's 1095 on a knife. One of the things that killed Old Timer in the US was the fact that they used plastic scales when good companies were using bone, and they used 1084 steel when good companies were using 1095.
I take it you don't know very much about the classic Old Timer brand knives. A simple Google search will show that Schrade has always used 1095 steel in their Old Timer line. They were a solid budget knife that was affordable to the working man who couldn't spend 3X as much on a CASE that served the same purpose.
@@jamesaritchie1 Not at all, Schrade always used 1095 on the Old Timers and all knife companies also made knives with "plastic" scales which is actually called Delrin. Every last one of them. By the way, there were Old Timers made with bone handles too.
Schrade always used 1095 carbon steel blades unless it was a stainless knife and they used 440A . Their heat treat on the 1095 was probably the best in the business and head a better edge than Case . The delrin used for handle material was about indestrutable . No shrinking and cracking like bone . And Schrade could make a 3 blade stockman with no blade rub . Case has never been able to do that .
Purchased and just received a 94OTB based on your video and...wow! The fit, finish and quality is definitely beyond their delrin counterparts. Pretty amazing actually and is an excellent VFM. Though the bone coloring and bone consistency of your knives is much better than the one I received. Mine are much lighter and mismatched in color. Regardless, I think I'm going to pick up a couple more. Thanks for the video!
I have the 830t . It's was my great grandfathers. And now mine.
In love with my Old Timer knife.. I have the smaller one with all 3 blades
👍 Nice review. They look like good knives. Pity many manufacturers have abandoned carbon steel for stainless steel.
Just got one of the smaller knives. Good steel, appreciate the extra time on polishing the blades and the traditional-style nail knicks. The bone handles really are well done. These are traditional knives like the classics made in Britain, Germany, the US, and to a lesser extent France, Italy, and the old Bohemia. That they're being made in China only points to the fact that in the world of cutlery businesses have merged, gone out of business, and old names have been licensed to other makers for about 130 years. Since the days of the good five-cent cigar, Americans have always been price-point shoppers. The quality is high and the price is low. We used to impose import duties to artificially make American knives more attractive than foreign makers in price. That's why we had a Golden Age of American knives, that and the fact that so many knife workers in the late 19th century immigrated to the USA and the European companies were decimated by the loss of workers after World War I. By the 60s or mid-70s American knife companies were searching for ways to grow their markets and Nixon's opening to China provided an efficient set of supply chains and manufacturing capacity, coupled with cheap labor (like we used to have,) drawing America's cutlery industry to a source of more knives they could sell to customers for less. It's the American way.
henry8smallwood :- Well stated!
Are you sure these have real bone scales? I have a couple of old U.S.A. made 125OT's from the 60's and 70's. They both have the scales that look like you're knives scales. But, it's made out of a type of plastic called Delrin... Peace, Stiletto :-)
I love those traditional knives. Until I discovered SAK's about 40 years ago, I carried a succession of Old Timers, Uncle Henrys, and Bucks. I'd love to have another one (or two), but I'd never use it. It would end up in my safe with my Buck 110, Gerber Folding Sportsman, and several others.
Michael Colloton :- These are users, not collectors...the prices are very affordable and they are mass produced off shore.
I have the small 72-OTB and I have to admit its it's a well made knife and holds an edge fairly well for an off shore knife. BTW It's 858-OTB, 8-OTB and 34-OTB, 72-OTB & 96-OTB the O is and "O" not a zero!
+Arlen Norby 😂 yeah, I figured that out. Sometimes I'm slow...
I really like how they made them all in bone that's cool
These knives are great the Delrin handle ones are pretty good too, but nothing beats natural bone.
There is something to be said about classic blades such as these. High quality and durable, you are able to pass them down as well.
I’m not a big fan of the cheaper models from Schrade but these are quite nice.
Very nice new line of Old Timers
The bone scales instead of Delrin
Really bring these up to higher level!
Thanks for the review - well done!!
(By the way, the model #, for example
34OTB, refer to Old Timer Bone, so the O is a letter not the number zero. Schrade used the same model #s for their US Made knives with Delrin scales - 34OT was always one of the best sellers.)
I like your presentation. It is informative and objective. Thank you.
thanks for the review i like the old style pocket knives
Those are sawcut Delrin handle scales not bone. Schrade makes the Old Timer and Schrade was purchased by Taylor Brands LLC to continue making this fine line of knives. Many of these are now made in China. But there are still plenty of U.S. manufactured Old Timer knifes out there.
These are bone handles . Look closely . They are not Delrin .
Taylor brands did a limited run of these knives with real bone handles .
Thank you for letting this Guy know that these handles are not bone 🦴. That was getting to me.
I have carried mine for 60 years. Still carry today, but well worn.
I really like old-timer knives I have three two Chinese made the other American made a three really great knives and stay very sharp nice video really liked it
+nathan livolsi thank you. I like these Genuine Bone models.
They look very nice I don't own one but they look really nice
There is no better single carving knife in the world than the Stockman. The Whittler isn't as good, and while the Congress models should be better, none come in an appropriate size. Professional wood carvers all over the country use Stockman pocketknives to do most, and sometimes all, or their carving. It's the sheepsfoot blade that makes it exceptional.
Because it has three blades of different types, it is infinitely better at carving wood than any knife with only one blade. Sadly, thanks to RUclips and the silly flip knife craze, we have an entire generation of adults who are afraid of slip joint knives, even though seven year old children have been using them safely for more than a thousand years. Only a Carving Jack is better at carving wood, but it's truly lousy at anything else. A Stockman can do everything.
More makes some good knives, but it's laughable watching someone use a Mora as a carving knife when they know what a pocketknife can do. Contrary to movies, novels, and too much nonfiction, a pocketknife with more than one blade has been the number one knife of trappers, mountain men, longhunters, soldiers, sailors, pioneers, survivalists, and the general public for well over a thousand years.
They used their big belt knives for self-defense, and for skinning and processing very large game. That was really all they used them for. Everything else was done with a pocketknife that had more than one blade.
Ironically, this is still the case, though few on RUclips seem to know it. The number one wilderness, survival, camping, bushcraft, all around knife in the eastern hemisphere is still a pocketknife with more than one blade. It's the old Swiss Army Knife, the one with two blades and a saw, and usually red plastic scales.
Sadly, the number one pocketknife carried in the US is a flip knife with one blade. They're all as useless as teats on a boar, but RUclips marketers convinced people they were a must carry because you just might get into a tactical scenario and need to whip out a knife and flip it open.
Fortunately, even here outdoorsmen of every stripe, if they have a clue, still carry a pocketknife with more than one blade. Including Dave Canterbury. The favorites are the Stockman, the Trapper, and the Hunter. The Stockman is far and away the best choice if you expect to do any woodcarving, and make a good skinning knife. The trapper is not nearly as good as the Stockman for most things, but is a bit better skinner, simply because it has a full length spey blade, while the Stockman has a shorter blade.
The Hunter is better for skinning deer size game. Or even larger game, but isn't as good for other things as the Stockman or the Trapper.
What difference between them, except size?
Some in depth stuff...nice
+Styme Bone thanks!
These are really good quality for the price. I have several.
Those look like pretty nice knives, but nothing says pocket knife to me like an old pocket-worn jigged bone-handled Case knife. I have bought several old ones over the years, mostly with reddish bone handles. The steel is great, sharpens great, open and close with authority but easily, and the blades can be easily re-shaped as needed and appropriate for whittling, carving, whatever. If those knives could talk, what stories they could tell. ;-)
eqlzr2 :- Case quality has not kept up with their prices. Some dealers have stopped carrying Case because of the hassle of returned knives due to flaws in production. For the money, I would want to "hands on" check out a Case knife before buying, or have a very friendly on-line dealer who will refund your money if you are disappointed.
@@blueeyeswhitedragon9839 Well, I'm sorry to hear that about modern Case knives. I haven't bought a new one in maybe 40 years, preferring the look (and price) of the older ones in good shape that I used to run across in antique shops. Hard to find those now because all the dealers think they are made of gold, and maybe they are. On the other hand, in my later more flush years, I've moved on to high quality knives from modern manufacturers that I can easily and quickly open with one hand. Finally, after many years of lusting after a really premium quality one, I finally sprang for a Chris Reeve knife. At first I thought I'd made a mistake because it was quite stiff. I had fallen prey to the somewhat common misconception that an extremely high quality knife should flick open with ease, gleam like a diamond, and make coffee and breakfast for you everyday. After using it for a month or so, it now has smoothed up nicely, everything about it smacks of quality, and it was worth the hefty price I had to pay. So, for sure, a person could do a lot better than a Case knife--new, old, or in between--unless you wanted to look like you'd fit in with the old farts sitting in front of Floyd's Barber Shop on the Andy Griffith Show. ;-)
Great video . Just wanna pass on though that the "O" is of the letter of the alphabet . Not a zero .
In other words , the 8otb is the real bone version of the 8ot . Standing for #8 Old Timer (ot)
Or 8otb is 8 Old Timer Bone (otb)
I believe the model designation use an O not a 0. The 340 TB would be a 34 OTB. “ OT “ as in Old Timer...so the 80 Tb would be a 8 OTB as in model 8 Old Timer Bone.
I love my old timer. :-)
Personally, once an American company goes out of business I look for an American company to support that has a similar product. I'm not trying to bash the gentleman who made the video, it's his money to do what he wants with it and he took the time to make the video, but supporting companies that are selling inferior products instead of buying a better American made product is why companies in America go out of business. I wish the Schrade brand would have died in 2004 instead of selling the brand to Taylor. I buy the used ones off of Ebay and they are in fact a superior product. Old Timer sold both carbon steel blades and stainless and almost everyone that knows anything about knives would rather a high carbon steel over cheap stainless. The stainless the American made knives used was better quality as well. Also, the handles are NOT bone! They are supposed to still be Delrin but I heard they were hollow with a plastic feel. I've seen a few side by side comparisons of the Chinese vs. USA, I'll go vintage or buy Case but to each his own.
They are not the same, maybe to the untrained eye. The liners are not one piece, the metal is thinner, and the delrin is thinner and if I'm not mistaken, hollow. I was referring to the gentleman in the vdieo saying it was bone, which it isn't, it's supposed to be delrin. The reason people pay more money for a USA model is because they have a nostalgia which is why they are collectable and people wanting to own one will pay more for that reason. It's the same reason people are paying more money for a JM stamped Marlin. Yes a new one will still go bang when you shoot it, but the fit and finish is not there like the old ones. The same thing applies here, yes a piece of shit Chinese model will cut a piece of string, but the fit and finish is shit and most people with an eye for quality will notice the difference immediately. Yes, many people don't care and will buy them, but there is a large number of people that appreciate quality and will pay more for a better knife whether it is an older USA model or a different brand made here. We get Chinese crap imported here because people will still buy the Chinese crap imported here.
I have Case, Bear, and many older Schrades and what you are saying about gaps, weak springs, and shields coming off is something I just don't see. I own some of all those mentioned, many even pin their shields. You better check and make sure it's not a piece of shit Chinese knock off. Cheers.
Wayne I realize we are gonna no to own Chinese products, there’s no getting around that. No I have never owned one but I’ve held them and I’ve seen comparisons made. I’m not here to argue with you either but if you think they are as good as the old ones you’re kidding yourself. My real point is that this was an American company that essentially went out of business and sold their brand to a company that makes them cheaper in Communist China. I realize there are many things we buy as Americans that are made in China or Taiwan or Japan and we really don’t have much of a choice in the matter. When I can make a difference and buy American when there is a company offering a comparable product and in many cases a superior product o try and support those companies. I haven’t bought a new Case or Bear and Soms knife in many years so if you are telling me the quality control is not what it used to be I wasn’t aware and am
Sad to hear it. I would still try and find an American company to purchase from though. My other point was that with a little research or simply looking at where a product comes from American consumers can help our fellow Americans by buying American products. You can tell me all day long it’s just as good but you’re wrong plain and simple and can defend your stance and decision to buy a Chinese knife with an American name but I’m not buying it. Or the knife 😁
The knives in the video do indeed have bone covers . Taylor brands made a limited quantity of real bone handled knives . It is what the “B” in the model number stands for . As far as quality and fit and finish goes , Case has had plenty of problems for a long time now and the Rough Riders are giving Case a run for their money at a fourth of the price . Smokey Mountain Knife Works owns the Rough Rider brand which are made in China and they are made as well as the current Case product with a similar rate of stuff that shouldn’t make it past the QC department .
Thumbs up but I agree with the comment below that the model numbers have OT not 0T. Excellent review though.
+Kevin Herrington yeah, it became pretty obvious after it was pointed out to me! Lol!
I enjoyed the review. I've thought about buying those due to the real bone and 9cr18mov. Thanks for your video.
Thanks for the video. Needed a size gauge.
I m from iraq i have one 340t U.S.A MADE😎
o t not zero t, ot for old timer
34ot
Thank you for the info. I was curious and just may try one out soon. Take care.
+Frank Man you're welcome. I'm still
Pretty happy with them.
Are those knives still made in the USA? Awesome cool video thumbs up.
What is the difference between a trapper & Jack knife
Nice review/ preview Mike
Thanks Donny.
Definitely off the beaten path for me, but appealing for their nostalgia. Thanks for the review Mike.
Minor thing - I suspect the models are all OTB, like 72 OTB (Old Timer Blade, I guess), rather than 720 TB. Schrade is annoying with the model numbers, but they pretty consistently include acronyms for the brand in the names.
Hi Charles. I checked them all. I didn't find a O in the model numbers.
Blue Mountain Bushcraft and Outdoors I think the character you're reading as a the number zero in each model number is actually an O. If you look at their site, all the Old Timer knives have "OT" in the model number. It's their fault that this is so confusing. All they needed to do was put a hyphen like 8-OTB (and I am now thinking the B is for Bone). Or just give the knives a real name...lol.
+Charles Collier I guess that is entirely possible. Lol!
OTB would be Old Timer Bone. As these are bone not delrin.
Arlen Norby Makes sense!
Saludos desde Chile 😃
2 years on, how are they holding up? I’m about to order one and see what they’re like, but would be interested to hear your thoughts.
he prolliby never uses them , i'll bet the blades bend easily , the usa ones snapped
If they snapped it was because you were using them in a manner that any knife blade would snap from .
Amo esas navajas! Tengo una old timer case uncle Henry y una buck
Ive got an Old Timer in carbon steel. Cannot find this anymore.
Thanks for sharing
I was thinking of getting the 858OTB but now I'm thinking it looks a little big for what I was thinking. BTW, what's the factory edge on these like?
Oh, I meant to say that Schrade, primarily Old Timer, has gotten belter and better since Smith & Wesson owns them. I have the knives in this video. But the 858OTB my EDC knife because I do some pretty large things with a Pocketknife, but I use the Middleman more at home.
I never was impressed with the made in USA Old Timer knives. They had plastic scales, which they call "Delrin", and they were made from very soft carbon steel, either 1075 or 1084, depending on when they were made, and this at a time when all the good knife companies had bone scales and 1095 steel, with is infinitely better.
I will say I didn't have high hopes for the 9cr18MoV steel now in one line of Old Timer knives. This is the equivalent of Chinese 440c, but usually works out to a higher end of what we would call 440b. But I measured the uniformity of the edge the 858OTB I carry takes,, and I also measured the sharpness of the edge, along with how long the edge lasts.
In every way, it came out a touch better than western 440c, which I still find hard to believe. 440c was the super steel of its day, and is still the number one stainless steel choice on a work knife for a great many people. I don't know whether I received an above average knife, or whether they all measure like this. I'll find out which next time I have access to the right equipment, but for now I'm amazed.
The Chinese do have a way of tinkering with steel to make it better, but without really changing the elements it contains. It comes from being a poor country for so long. Russia went through the same phase.
Change the heat, change when you add each element, tinker with the heat treatment and stress relief, and the results are sometimes amazing.
Bear in mind that I have a number of Case XX knives, including the Jumbo Stockman CV. I also have Stockman models made by Boker, Bear & Sons, Puma, Buck, Utica, and several other companies. The Stockman knives I own range in frim from a ten dollar Rough Rider all the way up to a Boker that cost two hundred and forty dollars. I love several of them to death, but I choose to EDC the Old Timer 858OTB. I think this says something about its quality.
Schrade USA used 1095 always unless it was stainless then it was 440A . Schrade produced some of the best 1095 ever .
Thanks for the review, I'm sticking with my victorinox
Are there any traditional blades made in the USA?
Take a look at Case or Great Eastern
Buck, Bear and Son, Utica also. There is also a company called Moore Maker that people think is made in Texas but none of them are, they get their products from Bear and Son and Utica. Your best bet is to buy REAL USA made Old Timers off online auction sites and stay away from the Chinese imitations.
The Chinese stuff is pretty good . I have a few of them and it's impressive what they're doing . The Rough Rider knives are equally impressive for the price point .
I live near the old plant... These new ones are garbage compared to when they were made in Ellenville NY. I actually had someone give me a new made stockman and the the nameplate was laying on the bottom of the box??? I sold it on graigslist for 5 bucks..
Lost count of how many times I’ve heard the same thing about the shields falling out on Case knives in recent times .
if your happy with it, that's all that matters. good video.
like some other critics, if it don't say USA on the blade it's junk. I purchased a old timer at bass pro shop for some good money, sowbelly with brass bolsters and some mountain ram horn or somethin... anyway, the shield fell out first, blades would not stay sharp, then my pen blade broke. junk. still have it though I do like the rams horn.
So German steel is junk ?
Japanese steel is junk ?
Nobody can make a Samurai sword like the Japanese.
Didn’t Taylor Brands sell Shrade?
Yep . They sold to BTI (Batten Technolgy Industries) which is owned by Smith and Wesson . That took place in 2016
Wish I had one so lovely.
Sorry, my computer will not allow me to make this all one post, but the small knife you call a "Trapper" is NOT a Trapper. By definition, a Trapper must have a spey blade, which trappers realized was the best skinning blade they had ever used. The company received so many letter saying this that within five years they gave the knife the official name "Trapper"
The same is true of a Stockman. Large Stokman knives also have a spey blade, though it's shorter than the one on a Trapper. Small knives with three blades that many confuse with a Stockman have a pen blade. Again, without the spey blade, it really is not a Stockman because the name Stockman is derived from ranchers and other stock owners who used the spey blade for its intended purpose, which was speying animals.
There are several models of two and three bladed knives, the Whittler may be the best example, but despite the fact that a tiny few companies misname them, both a Trapper and a Stockman MUST have the spey blade, or they are not a Trapper and a Stockman. It's knife owners who usually confuse what a knife is.
Old Timer gets around this nicely by calling their knives with three blades knives other things, such as the Middleman Jack.
Sorry James but you are wrong. I have a large trapper that has a warncliffw blade instead of spey.
Sorry Tim vest but you are wrong. If it doesn't have a spey blade it is not a true Trapper.
A Trapper with a Wharncliffe blade is not a Trapper . It may be on a Trapper frame but like already mentioned , it has to have a Spey blade to be a Trapper
the old old timers are awesome but the new old timers use the cheapest stainless they can get, and durability has dropped off the charts i carried my grandfathers for 15 years then got a new one around 2016 i carried it about a month the pins came loose and smokey mountian knife works couldent even get it sharp so i went back to papaws knife ....still happily carry it and use it almost daily
You obviously got a lemon . I've got an Old Timer and an Uncle Henry folding Hunter . Both are beyond what I expected in quality and fit and finish . Turns out that the 7Cr17Mov steel ranks right up there with 440A which is what Schrade used back pre 2005 . Unless it was 1095 carbon on the Old Timers .
Good Job Sir
Where i can buy this knives ?
I have one but it says "OLD CRAFTY". I got it in 1965.
These look fine.I will buy me some and take a break from Case.
+ogostaboy I've had no issues with them. They are a great value.
I'm gonna pick that up
Wow, would love one for my whittling! 😍
I bought 2 old timers last month. Gave 1 to my brother. His broke the 1st time he used it. Mine broke cutting a small rubber hose. That is JUNK. I never had a Case break on me.
No offence but they are not bone. Schrade calls it delron if memory serves me correctly. Great knives. I have original lb 7s in all 3 scale designs and 2 mustang liner locks. All original in like new condition. I have been carrying these every sense I got out of the Army in 1975. They last a life time.
These are bone. The B at the end of the number stands for bone. 34OTB. 34OTY would be a yellow cover.
Taylor Brands did a limited run of these knives using real bone . These in the video are from that limited run . Since then they switched back to Delrin
i can tell you right now as a old timer owner when you first buy a stock man 80tb they aren't sharp. to get on hair shaving sharp you have to spend a good time sharpening them to get the horrible edges that taylor brands put on them
+Josh Tobin these weren't too bad.
It's not Taylor Brands anymore . Taylor Brands sold out to BTI in 2016 . BTI (Batten Technoly industries) is a subsidiary of Smith and Wesson . The quality is much more refined now and 7Cr17Mov is the standard steel . Comparable to 440A
Th handles (scales) are not bone. They are made from Delrin. Delrin is a trademarked name for acetal resins that are semi-crystalline thermoplastic polymers. This type of material is also known by the abbreviation POM or polyoxymethylene. I believe your knives are made in China.
The knives are made in China . But these in the video are not Delrin handles . Taylor Brands made a limited run using real bone . Look closely . They are not Delrin .
@@Rancherinaz Apologies - I was certainly wrong on that one. Thanks for the info. I have a few Schrade Old Timers which were made in the USA and have just ordered a 33OT (made in China).
Saw cut Delrin, did you say?
@Late to the Game these are bone. OTB=Old Timer Bone
Yep They are bone .
There is no way you can dye bone to that consistent a color and keep the price under $25. They’re Delrin
@Arlen Norby
The knives in this video are indeed fitted with real bone handles . Taylor Brands made a limited run of these things that were priced slightly higher than the Delrin versions .
No longer made in USA, what a shame.
If you look in a Mom & Pop store you can still find the USA made knifes.
80tb us in my pocket right now
These are made in China. The USA knives use better steel.
And you don't give your money to a Communist country.
Viktorinox cane Beat this 😉 4 sure in Europ ! I dont no in US
+Alex Hafner lol. I'm a huge Victorinox fan.
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