It's a mighty "UUUFFF!!!" from me! What a great noise, such a departure from the standard Cummins/ZF I became a little familiar with living in the West Midlands of the UK where our two main operators ran a total of 306 of these beasts between them, with 6 of them being prototypes or rather pre full production examples, 1061-1066 of WMPTE, which had the Gardner/ Hydracyclic combo; later converted to ZF. I so wish that they had fitted Voiths but having standardised on the ZF for the main 250 it was inevitable. Sadly they were relatively maligned in the Midlands but for reasons that Oz ironed out successfully, namely the crap Hydracyclic gearbox but more importantly, the rotbox Leyland body replaced by the home built less stylish yet far more robust and practical body it carries nearly 40 years later!!! Truly fascinating!
Listen to that Voith D851 whistling away - reminds me of the MCW Metrobuses here in the West Midlands! Magnificent project and love the Lynxes. Good luck and can't wait to see how it all goes. You should let @stevestuff know!
8:40 OMG! Now there is a noise I remember from my childhood, I have always been into buses since the days of the East Lancs Leyland Tigers from Midland red and the Alexander Y Types (I think) from Stevensons and then Leyland Lynxes replaced the Leyland Tigers on one of our local routes and then were just so lovely to sit on at the time, the engine would always sing in harmony on some of the longer stretches of the route I did not know a Lynx is preserved in Australia and it has been a life goal to go there from the Uk so it seems that Western Australia is a must to visit to see this beautiful bus
John.J.Hill of Wollongong had two Lynxs with the ZF boxes. I remember both buses well as I caught them to school of a morning. Both were quite nippy are Wollongongs back streets. The ZFs were very vocal.
Pleased to be able to say that I had the opportunity to drive that bus on School services while it was at Deanes. Very quick accelleration but brakes were a bit ordainary. Great too see that it is being preserved.
As a guy who drove MAN SL202s with the Voith box they needed to be floored to be driven and had next to nol low down torque unlike this Leyland engine. Did you flat board it or just have to tap it lightly to move off a decent amount? Brakes ordinary? Must have needed that retarder.
The only other vehicles with a TL11 and Voith I know of were Class 14x Pacer trains so its great that a TL11-engined bus with a Voith gearbox existed! I love the tropical windows - much better than the more common square windows!
I beg to differ, The TL11 was derived from AEC,s AV691 , due to protracted issues with the 690, a 680 with a turbo, very few were bult mostly as gen sets although one did make it to power an Atlantean bus. Faced with this problem, Leyland Management had no option but modify the AEC AV691 with a turbo when the 500 series failed to live up to their expectations. Heard this enticing bit of info from an employee who walked into our to buy a kit, he worked for Leyland in the late 70,s early 80,s.
When I had a conversation with one man at a bus rally in the UK back in the late 1980s he said to me about the Leyland Lynx their bad news one or two things l give the bus credit for it has fast acceleration and a airy ride. I'll always prefer it's predecessor the Leyland National.
Thanks for posting this excellent video! So pleased an important piece of history has been preserved. It's interesting to hear the TL11/Voith combination. The only Lynx I've driven- also on a long journey- was a TL11/ZF variant. Quite unusual as most local Lynx were Cummins/ZF. Incidentally, when I drove my friend's Lynx, we were advised to hold at 45mph in order to preserve the hub seals! Anyone that has driven one will know how difficult it is to hold one back. They're quite nippy! 😎
I drive a 20 year old ex-Auckland MAN with a 3-stage Voith automatic box. It is 3-axle 51 seater, and drives better than our two axle MAN fleet with ZF boxes.
Finally got to hear it!! The TL11 and Voith DIWA sounds like a good match. Better than an Allison at any rate! I've been in a Tiger so equipped. It wasn't that bad actually. Very interesting in both cases. I've known about this bus and its Voith gearbox for over 30 years. This means a lot to me. I've only ridden on one of the later demonstrators than came in 1990 with Cummins and ZF. Very boring to me. Funny enough, they went to another Deane family operation South Trans in Sydney's south owned by Ron Deane Jr, brother of Dennis Deane the owner of Deanes Buslines. I grew up catching Deanes Coaches buses owned by the late Ron Deane Sr who had 8 Leyland Nationals, 7 painted in a very similar scheme to the Canberra ones seen in this feature. Deanes Coaches had 10 AEC Swifts with 760 engines and one got a similar MAN engine to those MAN repowered Nationals but had a Renk transmission instead of a Voith. They also had 6 ex Action AEC Swifts with 505 engine with similar chassis to London's SMS class except with a higher speed axle, giving them an altered sound. I could go on and on more but this was a total treat to watch. PS I was disappointed to hear it's in the other side of the country now, but I can see it wasn't a fit for the Sydney Bus Museum and I'm sure it's in good hands over that way and it was completed there so it's in it's spiritual home in a sense.
Occasionally, a Lynx in Australia will come up for sale. There's still 5 of the original 6 remaining to the best of my knowledge. Best bet is to join Leyland Lynx group on FB, some of the owners are on there. I couldn't advise on Nationals or B21s. Good luck anyhow.
Hi there my real Name is Mr Cannadine T. Boxill-Harris I was wondering, why couldn't most of you and your teammates can still do those Rebuilding and Repainting those nice fresh shiny Gardner 6LXB, Leyland 680, Volvo TD102KF, Cummins M11 and Gardner 6LXC 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Alexander RH Buses and Repaint them to a Grey Green Colours just like the original Scania Grey Green's which were in the North London and East London bus routes such as 210, 275, 24, 168, 20, 125, 173, 167, 313 and also the bus route 103, if you guys would like to Rebuild about 217 of Those Gardner 6LXB, Leyland 680, Volvo TD102KF, Cummins M11, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 6LX 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Alexander RH Buses can you and your teammates put most of those Cummins L10, Gardner 6LXC and those Leyland 680 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Alexander RH Buses to those East London and North London and that especially is including the London Bus such as those London Bus Routes such as for instance the 30, 121, N29 and 123 and will also be include the North London and also would be including the East London Bus Route like for example the 221 Bus Route Number 86 for all of us Grey Green bus lovers in North London and including East London For all of us passengers out there Pretty Please? could you Repaint them in the Exact Grey Green Bus Colour and put them on the London Bus Routes which are 341, N41, 34, 123, N29, 149, 221, N73, 121, 86, 30, 262, 147, 396, 56 and N26 for all of us Grey Green Bus lovers out there because we are Really Really desperately needed Are those types of colour buses to be brought back again Please? Do it for all of us customers and passengers in North London and will also include Living in areas such as East London Pretty Please? Because it will be one of each of the Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Interesting Buses to see them Repainted to a Grey Green Colour. I am a Big Fan of those Gardner 6LXB, Leyland 680, Volvo TD102KF, Cummins M11 and Gardner 6LXC 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Alexander RH Buses Please? Thank You Very Very Very Very Very Very much for your time, help and support.
A rare best preserved ,pity about the Voith gearbox as they are crap having the same number of gears as a Raleigh Wayfarer Bicycle, show it a steep hill and the box hunts up and down more times than a tarts knickers in a motel room . A least she retains the AEC Leyland TL11, better off swapping that crap gearbox for a 5-speed ZF Ecomat 4HP500 with manual hold option.
The Voith is a very efficient and smooth gearbox if driven with care. They are not crap. A ZF ecomat is probably better in this but it would be a pity to lose the Voith especially as it's the only one so equipped.
@@jamesfrench7299 Fair enough due to the Lynx,s rarity, but stand by what I say, Voiths are shit on hills, only three gears and no hold option. Stagecoach Stroud Depot has a 'Cornflake Packet' Dennis Trident with a Voith box , fully loaded it barely crawls up Strouds narrow steep and twisty roads. Depot,s Scanny 'Slugs' ZF 4HP400 despite one less cylinder the four speed Scania Omnis have a bit more get up and go.
@@basiltaylor8910 I drove MAN SL202s with medium speed diffs maxing out at just over 50 mph with three speed Voiths and you could lock those in first as well as second. Handy on hills where it normally hunted between hydradynamic first ratio and lock up gear second (huge ratio change) it would give a nice steady linear climb without having to push the accelerator beyond the kickdown point. The engine had all it's power higher up in the revs and poor low down torque despite being 11.4 litres. Still loved driving them as they were so smooth and were powerful enough once you got going. One received an Allison world series four speed box that suited the engine's characteristics better and resulted in much quicker performance and handled hills like a dream. It was very sought after by drivers, the opposite to the others!
@@jamesfrench7299 Sorry to say ,on our Dreary Voith fitted Dennis Tridents we did not have that luxury, just three buttons on the dashboard 'Drive' 'Neutral' and 'Reverse'. You were lucky to have a big 11 litre MAN lump, even though at low rpm it could not lug like a Gardner 6LXB. The Tridents we have are fitted with the Cummins 'C' Series ,8.3 litres of barely adequate power. Fully loaded on a steep hill in first, a Trident will scream its bollocks off like a tortured kitten.
@@basiltaylor8910 oh yeah that's really pushing it having an 8.3 litre engine propelling a double decker using a Voith gearbox, unless it's used only on flat terrain. At least allow a 3rd gear lockout for crying out. MCW gets that.
It's a mighty "UUUFFF!!!" from me! What a great noise, such a departure from the standard Cummins/ZF I became a little familiar with living in the West Midlands of the UK where our two main operators ran a total of 306 of these beasts between them, with 6 of them being prototypes or rather pre full production examples, 1061-1066 of WMPTE, which had the Gardner/ Hydracyclic combo; later converted to ZF. I so wish that they had fitted Voiths but having standardised on the ZF for the main 250 it was inevitable. Sadly they were relatively maligned in the Midlands but for reasons that Oz ironed out successfully, namely the crap Hydracyclic gearbox but more importantly, the rotbox Leyland body replaced by the home built less stylish yet far more robust and practical body it carries nearly 40 years later!!! Truly fascinating!
Listen to that Voith D851 whistling away - reminds me of the MCW Metrobuses here in the West Midlands! Magnificent project and love the Lynxes. Good luck and can't wait to see how it all goes. You should let @stevestuff know!
I get to hear Busways MANs with Voith outside my door every day and they remind me of MCWs.
8:40 OMG! Now there is a noise I remember from my childhood, I have always been into buses since the days of the East Lancs Leyland Tigers from Midland red and the Alexander Y Types (I think) from Stevensons and then Leyland Lynxes replaced the Leyland Tigers on one of our local routes and then were just so lovely to sit on at the time, the engine would always sing in harmony on some of the longer stretches of the route
I did not know a Lynx is preserved in Australia and it has been a life goal to go there from the Uk so it seems that Western Australia is a must to visit to see this beautiful bus
John.J.Hill of Wollongong had two Lynxs with the ZF boxes. I remember both buses well as I caught them to school of a morning. Both were quite nippy are Wollongongs back streets. The ZFs were very vocal.
Leyland by name only with Cummins boredom plants and Mercedes O405 bodies.
Pleased to be able to say that I had the opportunity to drive that bus on School services while it was at Deanes. Very quick accelleration but brakes were a bit ordainary. Great too see that it is being preserved.
As a guy who drove MAN SL202s with the Voith box they needed to be floored to be driven and had next to nol low down torque unlike this Leyland engine. Did you flat board it or just have to tap it lightly to move off a decent amount? Brakes ordinary? Must have needed that retarder.
I remember that Centre West of Uxbridge had some of these buses on the 607 service to White City Depot, at Shepherds Bush.
The only other vehicles with a TL11 and Voith I know of were Class 14x Pacer trains so its great that a TL11-engined bus with a Voith gearbox existed!
I love the tropical windows - much better than the more common square windows!
Strathclyde Roe and ECW bodied Olympians and those of Grimsby Cleethorpes had the TL11 and Voith combination.
She’s definitely got that MCW Metrobus sound to her!
Not quite. The driveline set up causes a higher octave whine in the Voith. I used to think it was a supercharger.
I beg to differ, The TL11 was derived from AEC,s AV691 , due to protracted issues with the 690, a 680 with a turbo, very few were bult mostly as gen sets although one did make it to power an Atlantean bus. Faced with this problem, Leyland Management had no option but modify the AEC AV691 with a turbo when the 500 series failed to live up to their expectations. Heard this enticing bit of info from an employee who walked into our to buy a kit, he worked for Leyland in the late 70,s early 80,s.
They looked so modern when they came out. Bus design hasn't really changed much since.
When I had a conversation with one man at a bus rally in the UK back in the late 1980s he said to me about the Leyland Lynx their bad news one or two things l give the bus credit for it has fast acceleration and a airy ride. I'll always prefer it's predecessor the Leyland National.
Thanks for posting this excellent video!
So pleased an important piece of history has been preserved. It's interesting to hear the TL11/Voith combination.
The only Lynx I've driven- also on a long journey- was a TL11/ZF variant. Quite unusual as most local Lynx were Cummins/ZF.
Incidentally, when I drove my friend's Lynx, we were advised to hold at 45mph in order to preserve the hub seals!
Anyone that has driven one will know how difficult it is to hold one back. They're quite nippy! 😎
Bet I know which one that was!
I drive a 20 year old ex-Auckland MAN with a 3-stage Voith automatic box. It is 3-axle 51 seater, and drives better than our two axle MAN fleet with ZF boxes.
Finally got to hear it!! The TL11 and Voith DIWA sounds like a good match. Better than an Allison at any rate! I've been in a Tiger so equipped. It wasn't that bad actually. Very interesting in both cases.
I've known about this bus and its Voith gearbox for over 30 years.
This means a lot to me. I've only ridden on one of the later demonstrators than came in 1990 with Cummins and ZF. Very boring to me. Funny enough, they went to another Deane family operation South Trans in Sydney's south owned by Ron Deane Jr, brother of Dennis Deane the owner of Deanes Buslines.
I grew up catching Deanes Coaches buses owned by the late Ron Deane Sr who had 8 Leyland Nationals, 7 painted in a very similar scheme to the Canberra ones seen in this feature.
Deanes Coaches had 10 AEC Swifts with 760 engines and one got a similar MAN engine to those MAN repowered Nationals but had a Renk transmission instead of a Voith.
They also had 6 ex Action AEC Swifts with 505 engine with similar chassis to London's SMS class except with a higher speed axle, giving them an altered sound.
I could go on and on more but this was a total treat to watch.
PS I was disappointed to hear it's in the other side of the country now, but I can see it wasn't a fit for the Sydney Bus Museum and I'm sure it's in good hands over that way and it was completed there so it's in it's spiritual home in a sense.
Do you happen to know of any other Lynxes, Nationals or B21s that might be available?
Occasionally, a Lynx in Australia will come up for sale. There's still 5 of the original 6 remaining to the best of my knowledge. Best bet is to join Leyland Lynx group on FB, some of the owners are on there. I couldn't advise on Nationals or B21s. Good luck anyhow.
One got a local body a Sydney PMC Metro 90.
Hi there my real Name is Mr Cannadine T. Boxill-Harris I was wondering, why couldn't most of you and your teammates can still do those Rebuilding and Repainting those nice fresh shiny Gardner 6LXB, Leyland 680, Volvo TD102KF, Cummins M11 and Gardner 6LXC 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Alexander RH Buses and Repaint them to a Grey Green Colours just like the original Scania Grey Green's which were in the North London and East London bus routes such as 210, 275, 24, 168, 20, 125, 173, 167, 313 and also the bus route 103, if you guys would like to Rebuild about 217 of Those Gardner 6LXB, Leyland 680, Volvo TD102KF, Cummins M11, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 6LX 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Alexander RH Buses can you and your teammates put most of those Cummins L10, Gardner 6LXC and those Leyland 680 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Alexander RH Buses to those East London and North London and that especially is including the London Bus such as those London Bus Routes such as for instance the 30, 121, N29 and 123 and will also be include the North London and also would be including the East London Bus Route like for example the 221 Bus Route Number 86 for all of us Grey Green bus lovers in North London and including East London For all of us passengers out there Pretty Please? could you Repaint them in the Exact Grey Green Bus Colour and put them on the London Bus Routes which are 341, N41, 34, 123, N29, 149, 221, N73, 121, 86, 30, 262, 147, 396, 56 and N26 for all of us Grey Green Bus lovers out there because we are Really Really desperately needed Are those types of colour buses to be brought back again Please? Do it for all of us customers and passengers in North London and will also include Living in areas such as East London Pretty Please? Because it will be one of each of the Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Interesting Buses to see them Repainted to a Grey Green Colour. I am a Big Fan of those Gardner 6LXB, Leyland 680, Volvo TD102KF, Cummins M11 and Gardner 6LXC 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Alexander RH Buses Please? Thank You Very Very Very Very Very Very much for your time, help and support.
Some of your lot might have taken my batteries from where you store buses.
Those Evap pods didn't work that great... the later buses built in the 90's were better !
The Lynx was a terrible bus, the Nationals were so much better, I used to drive both with AA Buses in Ayrshire.
A rare best preserved ,pity about the Voith gearbox as they are crap having the same number of gears as a Raleigh Wayfarer Bicycle, show it a steep hill and the box hunts up and down more times than a tarts knickers in a motel room . A least she retains the AEC Leyland TL11, better off swapping that crap gearbox for a 5-speed ZF Ecomat 4HP500 with manual hold option.
The Voith is a very efficient and smooth gearbox if driven with care.
They are not crap.
A ZF ecomat is probably better in this but it would be a pity to lose the Voith especially as it's the only one so equipped.
@@jamesfrench7299 Fair enough due to the Lynx,s rarity, but stand by what I say, Voiths are shit on hills, only three gears and no hold option. Stagecoach Stroud Depot has a 'Cornflake Packet' Dennis Trident with a Voith box , fully loaded it barely crawls up Strouds narrow steep and twisty roads. Depot,s Scanny 'Slugs' ZF 4HP400 despite one less cylinder the four speed Scania Omnis have a bit more get up and go.
@@basiltaylor8910 I drove MAN SL202s with medium speed diffs maxing out at just over 50 mph with three speed Voiths and you could lock those in first as well as second.
Handy on hills where it normally hunted between hydradynamic first ratio and lock up gear second (huge ratio change) it would give a nice steady linear climb without having to push the accelerator beyond the kickdown point. The engine had all it's power higher up in the revs and poor low down torque despite being 11.4 litres. Still loved driving them as they were so smooth and were powerful enough once you got going. One received an Allison world series four speed box that suited the engine's characteristics better and resulted in much quicker performance and handled hills like a dream. It was very sought after by drivers, the opposite to the others!
@@jamesfrench7299 Sorry to say ,on our Dreary Voith fitted Dennis Tridents we did not have that luxury, just three buttons on the dashboard 'Drive' 'Neutral' and 'Reverse'. You were lucky to have a big 11 litre MAN lump, even though at low rpm it could not lug like a Gardner 6LXB. The Tridents we have are fitted with the Cummins 'C' Series ,8.3 litres of barely adequate power. Fully loaded on a steep hill in first, a Trident will scream its bollocks off like a tortured kitten.
@@basiltaylor8910 oh yeah that's really pushing it having an 8.3 litre engine propelling a double decker using a Voith gearbox, unless it's used only on flat terrain. At least allow a 3rd gear lockout for crying out. MCW gets that.