Who's the BEST Low Tier Infantry! - Warhammer 3

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  • A small competitive tournament between the low tier infantry of Total War: Warhammer 3. To find out who's the best and can beat all the other low tier infantry!
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  • @Zerkovich
    @Zerkovich  2 года назад +288

    To clarify, as people get very upset xD These videos are for entertainment and learning what some units can do. I don't claim them to be great accurate ways to test, because I'm not trying to do that. And why would I? These kind of tests don't mean anything, because rarely will you get an engagement that isn't effected by magic, missiles, artillery, Lords etc.
    But hey, you'll learn Kossars catch a beatdown from Blue Horrors, so they should avoid that melee fight. etc.
    Jade Warriors and Hellscourges are both Tier 1. And they don't cost much more than anyone else in the competition. The price range of all units is from 250 to 550. Did you know the price range from Monsters vid is 1600 to 2300? From the Cav vid, 1000 to 1900. There's always a disparity in price. So why would I put the Anti-Large Peasants in this competition? Haha.
    Don't take it so seriously bruhs.

    • @komessandtomikcoll2154
      @komessandtomikcoll2154 2 года назад +3

      I only have 1 problem why did you choose jade wariors and not the pesant spears. Otherwise great video :)

    • @darkagerush3098
      @darkagerush3098 2 года назад +2

      It is useful tho to see what the baseline conflict is and then think about how it might be changed. People need to calm down and think a little more creatively it's not about collecting statistics.

    • @Wvk5zc
      @Wvk5zc 2 года назад +6

      @@komessandtomikcoll2154 because jade warrior is the better tier one. My gawd!

    • @jorne6863
      @jorne6863 2 года назад +7

      In my case I think this video is very cool even with disparity. I just think using the ''I-II-III'' indicator (that you mention in the video) is NOT great because CA did some weird things about it.
      For example : Furies are tier 2. They cost 550 and lost to most infantry of that cost !
      Other example : Spawn of chaos are tier 3. Do we really put them as strong as minotaurs of khorne (great weapons) ?
      Another one : Mournfang cavalry is tier 3 but Crushers are tier 3 too. But they are not on the same level AT all.
      It's why I just dislike the mention of them, I don't dislike the idea from CA but they should have made tier 1-5 like in the campaign. Of course MP battles are different but the more often you will play campaign and it's a good indication to know what tier are every unit but instead they did 1-2-3 a bit random who is not really accurate. A beginner will think mournfang is as good as crushers because of that ? Meh...

    • @johankrell7952
      @johankrell7952 2 года назад

      thank's for clarifying !
      I was indeed surprised seeing the jade warrior, thinking they was similar to dwarf long beards (more of a mid-tier infantry). But considering the result of each fight and your explanation, it seems prety fair.
      With Imortal Empire, we can expect a lot of other video like this !

  • @Dankweiler94
    @Dankweiler94 2 года назад +1123

    Representing Nurgle, its the Nurglings,! Representing Ogres, its the Gnoblars. And finally representing Cathay, Exalted Celestial Dragon Guard.

    • @Zenantsy
      @Zenantsy 2 года назад +33

      Representing Cathay, the Dune Dragons

    • @Kaptiv239
      @Kaptiv239 2 года назад +25

      Ogre bulls win this competition easily

    • @Mirondira
      @Mirondira 2 года назад +49

      @@Kaptiv239 They are also T3 units. This was T1 competition. Ofc they will win.

    • @Kaptiv239
      @Kaptiv239 2 года назад +26

      @@Mirondira i just don’t understand how it’s a “tier 3 unit” when you can recruit them first turn of any campaign … you don’t have to get your camp/settlement to tier three in order to build them so how are they tier 3?

    • @anthonyzapata1600
      @anthonyzapata1600 2 года назад +73

      @@Kaptiv239 in TWW3, units have a little numerical icon that is either one, two or three to represent their vague "power level". However, as you've pointed out, we in the community already had a tier system for units that was based on the settlement level needed to recruit them. So now there's a lot of confusion over what a unit's tier should mean now.

  • @Aethgeir
    @Aethgeir 2 года назад +436

    You should do a "Best of the Worst" showdown, so take the absolute worst unit of every faction and figure out who has the best worst-unit!
    EDIT: On second thought, maybe save that up for Immortal Empires.

    • @Marsuvee
      @Marsuvee 2 года назад +16

      Immortal Empires: Not so Immortal

    • @Provokedcarp
      @Provokedcarp 2 года назад +12

      I think Gnoblars would have potential to win that one. Zombies, and the Cathayan or Brettonian peasants might give them some good competition. It'd be an interesting watch. Skaven slaves would be 'good' too.

    • @Boofin505
      @Boofin505 2 года назад +3

      Would have to exclude sky lanterns for cathay tho since they would be kinda OP

  • @wolflordgio6320
    @wolflordgio6320 2 года назад +78

    2:40 damn that gnoblar sent him flying must’ve been a former greasus throne bearer

    • @Undermine5
      @Undermine5 2 года назад +4

      before Gresus choose to use a gnoblar fueled mobility scooter

  • @Enos666
    @Enos666 Год назад +22

    Man, the Nurgling animations are just so next level, you can tell the animators had a field day with them, I wish nurgle got some more units but they really knocked it out of the park with what we did get.

  • @mnk9073
    @mnk9073 2 года назад +29

    Blue Horrors: "Tremble before me mortals!"
    Hellscourges: "Oh no, a daemon..."
    BH: "Wait... you're not scared?"
    HS: "Na, I hang out with Daemonettes all day."
    BH: "Oh damn, you poor bastards..."
    HS: "No no no, I actually love it."
    BH: *starts waivering

  • @siralexandross8437
    @siralexandross8437 2 года назад +145

    I wanna see the legendary "skavenslaves VS gnoblars" matchup

    • @indrickboreale7381
      @indrickboreale7381 2 года назад +15

      Both route after few seconds

    • @guillercuastico
      @guillercuastico 2 года назад +7

      In tabletop, it would depend on the unit size. Gnoblars only had strength 2, but they can make 2 shoots each with no penalties (mortal wounds). In big numbers, slaves have much better leadership due to special rules and win just by combat resolution.
      In total war, gnoblars seems more useful, specially in their army, to fill gaps between ogres and meatshield. Slaves are great as shield only for their price tag, when combined with ultimate firepower. I actually prefer to go with two armies together, one full slave, the other with skrye units rather than going full virgin doomstack. Both have their place.

    • @aprinnyonbreak1290
      @aprinnyonbreak1290 2 года назад +5

      In total war, Skavenslaves are just the cheapest way to get slings onto the battlefield.

  • @anvos658
    @anvos658 2 года назад +23

    Somewhere in a corner Khorne is crying, when he showed up for skulls but forgot to bring his cultist conscripts and was disqualified, so Slaneesh won the melee.

    • @user-rk5sf7bw3l
      @user-rk5sf7bw3l 2 года назад

      Всё равно кхорнаты лучшая Т1 пехота так что, стоит дать слаанешитам по красоваться.

  • @GallowglassVT
    @GallowglassVT 2 года назад +37

    I'm gonna bet the only reason the Hellscourges won was because they took the enemy attacks as encouragement. Kinky buggers.

  • @Garivaldii
    @Garivaldii 2 года назад +209

    Hey Zerk, You should turn off formation attack for cathay while testing their units, it cripples their damage a ton and they end up sitting and being "On defensive"

    • @BewegteBilderrahmen
      @BewegteBilderrahmen 2 года назад +5

      I think that was at least worked on in the big patch, and they won all but one fight anyway

    • @mmorkinism
      @mmorkinism 2 года назад +35

      @@BewegteBilderrahmen they won because of price and stats difference compares to other low toer units. Was expecting peasant spears as low tier for cathay.

    • @NanoT_T
      @NanoT_T 2 года назад +8

      @@mmorkinism Weirdly, Jade Warriors are indeed tier 1. Wouldn't really expect it with their stats.

  • @PeopleAcct707
    @PeopleAcct707 2 года назад +310

    I can't believe Jade Warriors aren't classified as tier 2. Regardless, this should have been the most basic of units from each faction, so Peasants for Cathay and the basic sword Marauder for Slaanesh.

    • @ithadtobeaname7327
      @ithadtobeaname7327 2 года назад +15

      I disagree,
      Because its no secret that the Peasants with Spears lose most matchups.
      I also hardly see them in MP. Both of them

    • @LeKain08
      @LeKain08 2 года назад +17

      Basic sword marauder might have been even more deadly than hellscourge marauder considering basic sword marauder, despite having less melee defense, are anti-infantry ... X)

    • @willfeen
      @willfeen 2 года назад +7

      I thought Sword Marauders were going to beat everything because of their anti-infantry bonus..

    • @jaredchild150
      @jaredchild150 2 года назад +32

      @@ithadtobeaname7327 This argument doesn't make sense cause base gnoblars were in the competition

    • @phoenixblaze5491
      @phoenixblaze5491 2 года назад +1

      @@ithadtobeaname7327 I brought a punch of marauders vs cathay yesterday with one heartseekr and demonete +nakari/cultist combo. They brought all Calvary which was kinda funny that was a fun one. also 2 furry units as i expected ranged units.

  • @komessandtomikcoll2154
    @komessandtomikcoll2154 2 года назад +18

    Fun fact gnoblars have the same animation and rigging as goblin wariors and they raise their hand up to use ther shield even if they dont have one

    • @carlchristianlindalen9311
      @carlchristianlindalen9311 2 года назад +6

      We wouldn't want to spend money and time on our AAA title now would we?

    • @dubuyajay9964
      @dubuyajay9964 Год назад +2

      @@carlchristianlindalen9311 They won't fork out the cash for naval battles. That's for sure.

  • @veermudambi5795
    @veermudambi5795 2 года назад +244

    Why not peasants instead of jade warriors? I assumed they’d be more on the level of Nurglings and gnoblars

    • @asddasdasdasdadsa
      @asddasdasdasdadsa 2 года назад +26

      Because better tier 1 unit

    • @skywillfindyou
      @skywillfindyou 2 года назад +10

      @@asddasdasdasdadsa there are no really "tiers", rather a campaign building thing.

    • @Arbaaltheundefeated
      @Arbaaltheundefeated 2 года назад +70

      @@skywillfindyou He literally pointed out the unit tier icon in the video...

    • @Collinpawns
      @Collinpawns 2 года назад +2

      @@skywillfindyou being this new to total war

    • @asddasdasdasdadsa
      @asddasdasdasdadsa 2 года назад +1

      @@skywillfindyou i suggest to rewatch the video and focus on the part why korne isn't in this list...

  • @essdoubleyou1799
    @essdoubleyou1799 2 года назад +33

    Formation attack makes Cathay units worse ATM, you can see their back ranks not attacking.

  • @BewegteBilderrahmen
    @BewegteBilderrahmen 2 года назад +31

    no surprise the jade warriors being shielded and armored did well but I'm honestly surprised by how well the marauders did

    • @victuz
      @victuz 6 месяцев назад

      In this game shields don't matter in melee, they only make a difference against ranged units.

    • @BewegteBilderrahmen
      @BewegteBilderrahmen 6 месяцев назад

      @@victuznot stat wise, but the animations do influence a lot since usually the shielded variants are slower at attacking. Also shielded units usually have different stats.

  • @alurkingislander
    @alurkingislander Год назад +3

    The one thing I don't understand is that the whip infantry, which is supposed to be basically useless against armor, can beat the jade warriors. Interesting.

  • @ginjaBRETTman
    @ginjaBRETTman 2 года назад +36

    Had you left Formation Attack on for Cathay? It's only a detriment to their units.

    • @lorenzorossi9093
      @lorenzorossi9093 2 года назад +9

      I think he did

    • @ginjaBRETTman
      @ginjaBRETTman 2 года назад +3

      @@lorenzorossi9093 Ahh well, to be fair most people end up forgetting and leaving it on anyway so I guess it's still a useful test.

    • @lorenzorossi9093
      @lorenzorossi9093 2 года назад +2

      @@ginjaBRETTman it is still sad

    • @ghost101049
      @ghost101049 2 года назад +2

      Was this ever patched?

  • @MantismanTM
    @MantismanTM Год назад +1

    Kossar 1 to Kossar 2: "D-did that little scary green goblin thing just knock you over?🤣"
    Kossar 2 to Kossar 1: "You didn't see nothing!🙄"

  • @osowiec2430
    @osowiec2430 2 года назад +14

    If we consider price, campaign tech-trees or/and abilities, I think nurglings are the best low tier infantry because of cost-effectiveness

    • @jamieeddolls5605
      @jamieeddolls5605 2 года назад +1

      They are, cheap poison is always useful

    • @NanoT_T
      @NanoT_T 2 года назад +4

      They just don't die. And when they do, it's after 5 minutes of getting beat up by very superior infantry. They're just so good.

  • @jasonhemphill8525
    @jasonhemphill8525 2 года назад +12

    I said it once and I'll say it again: I love this type of content. Keep up the amazing work Zerk. Always makes my day.

  • @Tuck213
    @Tuck213 2 года назад +5

    I always like these videos Zerkovich, it's nice to see these units perform up close. And I'm glad Slaanesh got a win

  • @nurgling86
    @nurgling86 2 года назад +36

    Like everyone else is saying, why were Jade warriors used? The sure they might be tier 1, but peasants would be more comparable against the others.

    • @Arbaaltheundefeated
      @Arbaaltheundefeated 2 года назад +10

      Because it's a test of the best tier 1 infantry of each faction... obviously.

    • @anvos658
      @anvos658 2 года назад +7

      Peasants are honestly what the community calls tier 0.

    • @Tespri
      @Tespri 2 года назад +1

      @@Arbaaltheundefeated blue horrors are more of skirmishers than infantry.

    • @Tespri
      @Tespri 2 года назад +4

      @@anvos658 so are nurglings, gnoblars and blue horrors. I think that if you can get a unit without building military building for it should be always considered as tier 0.

    • @djadri_z8964
      @djadri_z8964 2 года назад

      @@Tespri you cant compare shitty peasants with blue horrors 🤦‍♂️

  • @Indolthir
    @Indolthir 2 года назад +17

    Slaanesh have super strong units when you go back to Zerkovich's other "Who's the Best". First best low-tier infantry, second best high-tier infantry, third best cavalry and fourth best monster ... And all these tests were made without taking into account the "Devastating Flanker" ability.
    You'd expect Slaanesh to be the best at large, fast moving units, not infantry, though XD

    • @easytanksgaming3238
      @easytanksgaming3238 2 года назад +2

      But in campaign they have really SHIT autoresolve strength and dies to empire swordsman crapstack no matter how many exalted daemonettes and other stuff u have))

    • @Indolthir
      @Indolthir 2 года назад +7

      ​@@easytanksgaming3238 Auto-resolve is nuts. It wins things for you you could never win in Easy Difficulty and it makes your doomstack perish to 5 norscan marauders in legendary. And it hates units with no armour, that's why Slaanesh is very bad in auto-resolve as you say.

    • @albericdecarrere8436
      @albericdecarrere8436 2 года назад +1

      @@Indolthir though it's sometimes a bad thing on easy and a good thing on legendary. When the AI thinks that it needs a considerable amount of forces to defeat you on easy, they end up starving your cities for ages and sending multiple armies to deal with you. In these fights, if the auto resolve doesn't grant you victory, it's highly unlikely that you'll do a better job manually.
      Whereas on legendary or very hard, the AI is overconfident and you can pretty easily turn the tide when it predicts a crushing defeat

    • @jorne6863
      @jorne6863 2 года назад +1

      4 best cavalry since Skullcrushers destroy them now with the +10 anti large bonus. But yes Slaanesh is well rounded overall.

    • @Indolthir
      @Indolthir 2 года назад

      @@jorne6863 Indeed, but I wouldn't have expected that, I really like Slaanesh so I'm glad it's not too much of a glass-canon faction.

  • @drschwandi3687
    @drschwandi3687 2 года назад +6

    These videos will get quite extensive as soon as we get mortal empires.

  • @dotquack1
    @dotquack1 2 года назад +1

    2:42 buddy is gonna think about that one for the rest of his life

  • @jacobpeterson4071
    @jacobpeterson4071 2 года назад +1

    The nurglings just look like so much fun!

  • @insomniac6136
    @insomniac6136 2 года назад +2

    Incase ppl didnt know this / this wasnt tested: if a unit f.e. the blue horrors are given an attack order, they stop shooting. Even the models that arent currently attacking or defending in melee stop. If however they werent given an attack order, they would've continued shooting and maybe could've beaten some matchups they otherwise couldnt.
    Great vid as always ✌

  • @Nota-Skaven
    @Nota-Skaven 2 года назад +4

    Clearly the answer is the nurglings because... well just look at them they're adorable

  • @Retrosicotte
    @Retrosicotte 2 года назад +7

    Poor Zerkovich is going to have his work cut out for these kinds of videos once TW1 and 2's races get added with TW3's extra ones coming.

  • @Phatcaulk69
    @Phatcaulk69 2 года назад +2

    love these. keep them coming. PLEASE do more rounded videos if you can such as: SEM monsters performance versus multiple different infantry... i.e. single monster v all tier 3 infantry... who's da best?!

  • @HH-hd7nd
    @HH-hd7nd 2 года назад +4

    Shouldn't it be peasant Spearmen for Cathay? They are lower quality than the Jade Warriors.

    • @carlchristianlindalen9311
      @carlchristianlindalen9311 2 года назад +1

      How did you come to that conclusion? The test is to find the "BEST Low Tier", as the title clearly says, not to find the "BEST of the WORST quality".

    • @aras667
      @aras667 2 года назад

      @@carlchristianlindalen9311 and that's why we had normal gnoblars instead of trappers, I would imagine stalk would be pretty nice against kossars

  • @Medard22
    @Medard22 2 года назад +8

    Turning off the keep formation for Cathay units affects their melee capabilites a lot, I dunno if you turned it off or not

  • @rhada8264
    @rhada8264 2 года назад +10

    Nice video ! The peasants from Cathay are not in ?

  • @Dreska_
    @Dreska_ Год назад

    Whoever animated the nurglings, A+

  • @subrsubrr334
    @subrsubrr334 2 года назад +21

    Shouldn't Cathay be represented b peasants? Or are they like tier 0? Still . . .

    • @datkhornedog899
      @datkhornedog899 2 года назад +4

      Kossars at least had some "training", either being militia or bandits. Peasants are going to the slaughterhouse by default.

    • @Arbaaltheundefeated
      @Arbaaltheundefeated 2 года назад +3

      Why do people keep asking this stupid question... It's a test of which faction has the best Tier 1 infantry... Peasants are objectively far worse than Jade Warriors, and they're both Tier 1, so why the F would the Peasants be in here?!

    • @djadri_z8964
      @djadri_z8964 2 года назад

      @@Arbaaltheundefeated exactly, and on top of that, peasants would get shredded by blue horrors and kossars missiles 😕

  • @devilsmessanger
    @devilsmessanger 2 года назад

    nice video, and ofc puns that spark joy !

  • @jorne6863
    @jorne6863 2 года назад +4

    I love your videos, but I think it's a bad idea to use the I-II-III CA made, because sometime it's very weird. Some units are tier II and higher, and some tier III are very meh.
    I think using the olschool tier 1-2-3-4-5 based on when you can pick them in campaign is the best.

  • @joshmangan4468
    @joshmangan4468 2 года назад

    Korn: “miss me with that low tier trash, we only go hard!”

  • @quint3ssent1a
    @quint3ssent1a 2 года назад +4

    Tbh I feel that blue horrors were stronger overall. Yes, they've lost straight melee slamfest, but missile game often is more important, and when all their ammo is spent, they are no slouches in combat either.

    • @LeKain08
      @LeKain08 2 года назад

      Doesn't make sense unless the ennemy side would politely stand still while blue horror empty their ammo, which obviously NEVER happen unless some unit prevent them from meleeing the blue horror. But then, it's not 1vs1 anymore... So yeah, it doesn't make any sense.

    • @MrTrayjenkins
      @MrTrayjenkins 2 года назад +1

      @@LeKain08 If you're good at the game you just make effective use of all the ammunition you can

    • @ashardalondragnipurake
      @ashardalondragnipurake 2 года назад

      @@MrTrayjenkins and if your enemy is good he wont let you
      horrors dont have the speed to let you decide
      sure you might be able to squeeze out a few more shots but not all ammo, not enough to make a difference
      if you look at hypotheticals yes tzeensh is immortal and the best at everything, but then reality slaps you in the face

    • @Arbaaltheundefeated
      @Arbaaltheundefeated 2 года назад +1

      @@MrTrayjenkins Oh, great, you're another one of those who think cheesing the AI equals being 'good at the game'...

    • @MrTrayjenkins
      @MrTrayjenkins 2 года назад +1

      @@Arbaaltheundefeated I didn't say anything about cheesing, dilate.

  • @AloysNeverood
    @AloysNeverood 2 года назад

    I know it's an insane amount of work, but I would really love to see a competition of litterally EVERY melee infantry units in the game once IE is here. Not just one per faction, ALL of them. Of course it'd need to be a tournament (would be great to get an arena custom map for that btw) with different qualifers long the way. Only in this case it'd be just one unit against one unit, to spice things up (rng could favor an unexpected winner who knows).

  • @marcinpol
    @marcinpol 2 года назад

    0:08 That one guy know what is going to happend. He looks straight into your eye and ask "Do you like suffer of my IA brethren? You are as vile and corrupted as my chaos gods"

  • @chadroy16
    @chadroy16 2 года назад +1

    I used hellscourges in nkaris army all the way. Found they were a good front line to mix in with some exalted freaky ladies

  • @totalwar-hamster4518
    @totalwar-hamster4518 2 года назад

    I love these vids so much. You really inspire me to do streaming and vids. I've got a whole bunch made to publish soon

  • @TheSergio1021
    @TheSergio1021 2 года назад +1

    You're gonna have a lot on your plate once the WH1 and 2 races are added in

  • @topoficacion
    @topoficacion Год назад

    Love this content. Apart from doing a new contest with all TWW III units, can you try doing one with generic lords and heroes?

  • @lawaern3474
    @lawaern3474 2 года назад

    I'm still laughing at that cossack who got floored by a gnobblar. If it were one of my mates I'd be laughing till the end of time.

  • @Xavis0
    @Xavis0 2 года назад

    "That's like a grown man being knocked down by a toddler!"
    You must not have ever been charged by a swarm of toddlers.

  • @darkagerush3098
    @darkagerush3098 2 года назад +1

    Would love a comparison vid showing harmony's impact In various settings. Like do the jades beat marauders with +6 m defense?

  • @Predator20357
    @Predator20357 2 года назад

    Honestly, I don’t care about him using the Jade Warrior, I just want him to do a Peasant v Peasant fight when Immortal Empires come out

  • @lockedon8953
    @lockedon8953 2 года назад

    I wasn't really expecting much of the jade warriors because they're meant to be used in conjuction with other units

  • @cygnusx-1256
    @cygnusx-1256 5 месяцев назад

    I would love to see this video again with all the new ones in Immortal Empires

  • @dragonlord498
    @dragonlord498 6 месяцев назад

    part of me would've at least as a comparison put a group of archers with auto fire turned off behind the jade warriors as a separate group just so they had their full capability while another without just so can show how well they do with and without their harmonize modifiers

  • @alexandrugheorghe7974
    @alexandrugheorghe7974 2 года назад

    That last fight, the jade warriors maybe could have benefited from an attack order, as standing still left them vulnerable to the longer range marauder attack. If ordered to attack, they would have closed in and not missed attacks. Just a thought.

  • @florians9949
    @florians9949 5 месяцев назад

    Jade warrior vs nurgling, the wetnoddle contest.

  • @larry9393
    @larry9393 2 года назад

    I can't wait for the next big update to the game

  • @josstroeven2380
    @josstroeven2380 2 года назад

    always good to know

  • @LordTheCyril
    @LordTheCyril 2 года назад +1

    Wouldn't blue horrors preform better if they didn't counter charge as that would allow them to keep using ammo with the backline?

  • @Xenotric
    @Xenotric 2 года назад

    I kind of wish combined arms units could use their missiles while engaged in melee with units larger than them, blue horrors chucking flames at the faces of the jade warriors while the front line shanks them in the stomach would be cool as heck! Kossars front line pinning down cavalry while they point blank shoot them down etc.
    But then would be nice if had more rank depth attacks for other types too, spears definitely don't seem to get nearly enough action considering their length :

  • @MathieuH96
    @MathieuH96 2 года назад +1

    Didnt you keep the Hold Formation active for the Jade warriors ? It looks like they tried to stay in formation which is a detriment to their combat performance.
    Good video anyway, i was betting for a Jade>Blues>Hells and im a bit surprised ^^

  • @thopham6129
    @thopham6129 2 года назад +1

    Are u forgot turn off formation defensive of Jade Warrior ?
    i think if you turn it off after Marauder charge and order them to attack, maybe they will win.

  • @charleslister8465
    @charleslister8465 2 года назад

    Nice work thnx

  • @xPureAndTheTaintedx
    @xPureAndTheTaintedx 2 года назад +1

    Should probably turn off formation attack for cathay. they fight 20-30% worse with it turned on.

  • @thevoxdeus
    @thevoxdeus 2 года назад

    Nurglings are the most surprising, because Nurgle doesn't have much going for itself beyond its ability to stay in a fight.

  • @Gorn21
    @Gorn21 Год назад

    i really would like to see how cathay would place if they got an ranged unit behind them for the buff.

  • @spoonyofsalty1167
    @spoonyofsalty1167 2 года назад

    I know it would be more tedious, but this test would be more accurate if it were just multiple 1v1's in a row. If one or two units happen to take more damage than that lowers the overall balance of power for the whole team which could cause them to route quicker than if they didn't have losing team mates. Also, and I may be wrong, pretty sure the non halberd jade warriors don't get any bonuses for bracing over charging, and especially not against infantry.

  • @TheChosenCat-zq7bz
    @TheChosenCat-zq7bz Год назад

    If this wasn't a game Jade Warriors would win the final round since the Marauders weapon is a whip and they have a bunch of armor

  • @Ataraxious
    @Ataraxious Год назад

    Thank you for this great content, bro! However, I have a little question concerning the testing method. Why did u allow units to shoot before charging in these matchups, but in your older video with the best infantry in WH2 u didn't allow my dear Ironbreakers to throw their bombs at all? I mean I got the fact that it would make them sort of OP, but u did it here and you allowed other units to use their abilities like waystalk...wathers to skirmish.

  • @effindave6909
    @effindave6909 2 года назад

    In a vacuum this list is pretty accurate but what about Nurglings with all the support the faction offers them? Healing from your legendary lord, fleshy abundance and Fecundity?

  • @seamuscoleman2880
    @seamuscoleman2880 2 года назад

    Babe wake up Zerchovich posted

  • @SaintAnimus
    @SaintAnimus 2 года назад

    I'm a simple man, I see a Zerkovich video, I drop a like

  • @animalxINSTINCT89
    @animalxINSTINCT89 Год назад

    *Laughs in Orc Boyz*

  • @eikoslamiad
    @eikoslamiad 2 года назад +1

    >Unlike goblins they don't have a silver shield
    It's totally stupid that goblins have a silver shield.

    • @shigerufan1
      @shigerufan1 2 года назад

      Regular shield on a tiny model, plus that and expendable the only things going for them as they're a spear infantry that don't get anti-large

  • @boomknight1015
    @boomknight1015 Год назад

    As a person who plays Grom way to much in Campaign, Gnoblars makes me depressed. Granted Grom can pure gobo spam but it's due to meaty buffs he gives to gobos.

  • @batcat4136
    @batcat4136 2 года назад

    It's strange how Jade Warriors are tier 1 since I often still use them heavily well into the late game in campaign, even after a locking Dragon Guard. Sure, the DG may be fancy and do more damage, but with a faction like Cathay where most of your damage is in missiles and all you really need is a holding front line there's no beating just basic Jade bois

  • @d2cmp
    @d2cmp 2 года назад +1

    I think blue horrors are slightly stronger if you dont actually charge, the back line uses their ranged attack that way

    • @LeKain08
      @LeKain08 2 года назад

      So what you are saying is blue horror are better if the ennemy let them attack them attack from distance without reacting.
      Yep, it's genius.
      Also artillery are better than legendary lord if legendary lord let artillery use all their ammo on them and eventually wipe them with a lucky shot. Genius

    • @terkmc8991
      @terkmc8991 2 года назад

      @@LeKain08 No dumbass what he means is that if you don't charge with the blue horror, when the enemy charge into them the backrow of the formation can still fire while the front row are engaged in melee

    • @Indolthir
      @Indolthir 2 года назад +1

      @@LeKain08 They're speaking about the fact that units with projectiles like horrors still use their projectile attack in melee if you don't charge them, giving them an edge. Their frontline will fight in melee but some of their backline won't. You're uninvited sarcasm is especially insulting since you're wrong. Here is proof of what d2cmp was speaking about in another of Zerkovich's video : ruclips.net/video/bUj3nqOhWgE/видео.html

  • @jtowensbyiii6018
    @jtowensbyiii6018 2 года назад

    I feel like the pot hat should have a 1/2 of a bronze shield buff

  • @Cryten0
    @Cryten0 2 года назад

    I feel like nurgling or nurglings with regeneration are entirely different beasts.

  • @gianniillari1432
    @gianniillari1432 2 года назад

    I have to ask why didn't you use the peasant spearmint for Cathay?

  • @sot1224
    @sot1224 2 года назад

    I tout that peasant spearmens was the low tier infantry for cathe

  • @steel5315
    @steel5315 2 года назад

    Aye Donald Ducks with the Bronze even tho they aren't built for melee. Pretty good I'd say!

  • @crazyolnewfie2780
    @crazyolnewfie2780 2 года назад

    Poor one out for dem gnoblar boi's. 😔

  • @Search_In_Google
    @Search_In_Google Год назад

    we need the same thing but with immortal empires.

  • @Eclipsed_Embers
    @Eclipsed_Embers 2 года назад

    out of curiosity why did you pick Jade Warriors for Cathay instead of Peasants? it feels like Peasants would've fit in much more with other factions using their lowest tier stuff.

  • @Zentramenago
    @Zentramenago 2 года назад +1

    perhaps a dumb question but how about a "Who's the BEST Legendary Lord for Warhammer 3? would be interesting to see what the result is

    • @albericdecarrere8436
      @albericdecarrere8436 2 года назад

      I think it would be hard to do this in this type of video because of the wide variety of things that make a legendary lord good.
      Legend of Total War used to do these videos on warhammer 2 for each race, but it was only based on his personal preferences and a global analysis of the LL and not a matchup thing.
      Because if you think about it, you can send Tretch against Teclis or Alarielle and he will win. Does that make him a better LL than them ?

    • @Wvk5zc
      @Wvk5zc 2 года назад

      1 on 1 duelling? Kugath no contest

  • @tendietyrant4206
    @tendietyrant4206 2 года назад

    I would of liked to see khorne chaos warriors vs jade warriors

  • @The_Lute777
    @The_Lute777 Год назад

    the ogre kingdoms should get a rematch and a match for best low tier infatry it should be ogre bulls and for high tier infantry it should be crushers great weapon the reason is because in the best missiles tournament for tww2 you used ushabti great bow

  • @kerimincealemdaroglu7112
    @kerimincealemdaroglu7112 Год назад

    Should really be cost matched competitions

  • @adammclaughlin845
    @adammclaughlin845 2 года назад

    If Khorne has no tier 1 infantry, how does he recruit units at the beginning of the campaign?

  • @IceBear-jb1ip
    @IceBear-jb1ip 6 месяцев назад

    Goblin laborers reign supreme

  • @Coeurebene1
    @Coeurebene1 2 года назад +5

    Surprised that the marauders beat the Jade infantry, I was pretty sure Cathay would win this. On the other hand, Slaneesh has to be good in melee, that's their specialty.

    • @Matt-ln7lb
      @Matt-ln7lb 2 года назад +2

      Formation attack is on, and there's no harmony. Harmony for just the basic +6 melee defense reduces the damage from the marauders by around 20%, and formation attack is cutting the Jade Warrior damage by around 10%.
      He also didn't have the jade warriors countercharge, and countercharging would definitely be better than staying still. 25% charge defense and 10 armour is not as good as the initial +12 melee attack and damage.
      The Marauders also cost 50 more than jade warriors, so it's really not unexpected that they win in such conditions.

    • @carlchristianlindalen9311
      @carlchristianlindalen9311 2 года назад +1

      @@Matt-ln7lb Disabling formation attack and countercharging might be up for consideration, but Harmony definitely is NOT.
      Just because they have a faction mechanic on their unit card doesn't make them entitled to it in all match-ups.
      Anything that has outside assistance as a prerequisite becomes completely null and void in a 1v1.

    • @Matt-ln7lb
      @Matt-ln7lb 2 года назад +1

      @@carlchristianlindalen9311 How often will your jade warriors actually be fighting without harmony though?
      From a practical perspective, they'll probably have harmony in at least 50% of engagements. Most likely more, especially against Slaanesh.
      If the point of the test is to get an idea of the "best" infantry, it should be looking at cost efficiency and performance in a bit of a wider variety of situations. As these tests were done, the result was a foregone conclusion, because Hellscourges cost the most by enough that it's really the only factor to bother looking at, especially with Jade warriors gimped by formation attack and the lack of harmony.
      From a more practical perspective, the marauders may be the worst of these units in part because of that cost.

    • @carlchristianlindalen9311
      @carlchristianlindalen9311 2 года назад

      @@Matt-ln7lb And how often will nurglings fight without a plague in play? The answer is never, unless you decide not to and manage to avoid contracting one. I do believe a 20% ward save, for example, would make some difference.
      You can make plenty of arguments for cost effectiveness, most likely situations, etc. etc., and I agree. This test isn't perfect and doesn't reflect the game. Why would you expect it to when you can't get that without it being an actual battle or campaign?
      No matter what you do there's never going to be a set of rules that allow every unit to perform at their best. Balancing costs will never work. Some units pay for AP they're not using and other similarities, and even if you disregard that or allow for a discount, how do you match up an evenly priced 3v4 in a fair way?

    • @Matt-ln7lb
      @Matt-ln7lb 2 года назад +1

      @@carlchristianlindalen9311 "And how often will nurglings fight without a plague in play?"
      Always in multiplayer, where you don't have access to them.
      That's the difference between a campaign mechanic/buff and a battle mechanic/buff that a unit can always have access to.
      "how do you match up an evenly priced 3v4 in a fair way?" Chevrons are a thing, so if it's in range, you can pump up the cheaper unit to be a similar cost (preferably slightly higher, since chevrons are not cost efficient), instead of adding more units.
      Otherwise, you can make 1v2/3v4/etc... reasonably fair by having the fights all occur together without any flanking.
      "Why would you expect it to when you can't get that without it being an actual battle or campaign?"
      It's never going to be perfect, but it can be a lot better. You can actually get pretty far with simple testing similar to what was done in the video for evaluating units. The title of the video is the "Who's the best", and per the title, it shouldn't be looking for just the strongest, because cost efficiency and versatility are generally more valuable.
      If the title of the video was "Who's the strongest", with the clarification that units will be completely default with no player action except a charge order, instead of "best". Ignoring things like cost efficiency is fine.
      Things like AP/armor are factored into a units cost, and they give situational advantages and disadvantages, with a bit of a broader range of testing (eg: test vs at least one missile unit, AP unit, and armoured unit as a control), that's pretty easily accounted for.

  • @Folgeantrag
    @Folgeantrag Год назад

    Why you used Jade Warriors instead of Peasant Spearman for Cathay?

  • @arturo_cruz
    @arturo_cruz 2 года назад

    It makes sense because slaanesh doesn't have any hightier options for line infantry, sure you could spam exhalted demonettes but i wouldn't call them line infantry, in the traditional sense.

  • @ahzekahrimanTS
    @ahzekahrimanTS 2 года назад

    Think you should do best cultist next

  • @alexr.5389
    @alexr.5389 2 года назад

    Pan hats? those are obviously pots. THEY'RE POTHEADS.

    • @Zerkovich
      @Zerkovich  2 года назад

      Damn I missed a joke there.

  • @WardenNFG
    @WardenNFG 2 года назад

    Finally a W for my boys :D

  • @SpookSkellington
    @SpookSkellington 2 года назад

    Weird how Khorne just doesn't have low tier infantry. Come to think of it he doesn't have elite tier infantry either, no Chosen or anything.

  • @DrBoofenstein
    @DrBoofenstein Год назад

    Why are jade warriors being used instead of peasant spear men

  • @Firefocus-fz2we
    @Firefocus-fz2we 2 года назад

    Did you use the formation for the Cathay? 🤨

  • @pdc4930
    @pdc4930 2 года назад

    What about Peasant long spearmen?

  • @Malkamok
    @Malkamok 2 года назад

    Meanwhile Khorne is still asking clarification on what "low tier infantry" means