Video is titled, "DON'T Hit Out in Front!" After 18 minutes of coaching, student achieves success when she hits out in front. Oh irony, you are a cruel mistress!
Hi Ian. Usually we fix these kind of issues in a more natural way. Get dead balls and heavy racquet (add lots of head weight added). Feed balls from the net and ask student to hit the balls crosscourt as hard as they can, without them worrying about putting the ball in court. Constantly urge them to hit harder. Eventually they learn to hit the ball with good bio mechanics as they realize they can't arm the ball hard enough and start using their body. Do this drill for 45 minutes and then resume with normal balls and their own racquet, allowing them to hit out, and eventually asking them to hit inside if you see improvement. Within a couple of weeks you'll notice huge improvements in their bio mechanics and pop on their ground strokes. Complex instructions like this cannot be taught for normal recreational tennis players/kids, even pros for that matter. They just have to learn it naturally, by giving them goals, without really understanding how to. Hope that helps. P.S : I enjoy watching your videos. Hope more people promote this wonderful sport like you.
Thanks for this video. I can't help but notice the difference with the free arm in 1:40 and 4:05. The first seems to play an active role in the preparation while the second seems to hang limp. I guess this matters? because I am personally on the limp side and hope to ditch that...
Pam is a great spirit, I remember her seeing her a while back. Great student and great coach. So fun to watch someone make great strides and improvement in such a short time, thanks to natural talent, focus and great guidance. Awesome job coach. Cheers. ZMM
I love this process! It's so beautiful seeing someone hit a nice relaxed forehand like she is doing towards the end and it's so much more satisfying playing tennis that way:-)
Ian, points well made and well received. There's no substitute for video analysis. What kind of camera are you using? Could you provide a link? The results are extraordinary, and with so much more capability than a mobile phone. That's how I'd like to video my strokes. Thanks again!
We've used Coach's eye for years paired with an Ipad. Unfortunately Coach's eye is no longer available and we are still working to find a substitute! Right now we are trying out "on form"
@@EssentialTennis Thanks so much, Ian. The camera makes a huge difference for both the on-court students and the online audience. And this video was a great illustrative example. Keep up the good work.
I can feel the pain for all the people that didn't use throwing motion in tennis because i myself suffered from tennis elbow. The sheer amount of tension on the muscle and tendon cause the pain at the joints. At least, she is on track to play a less injured tennis but re-learn bad mechanic will take a lot of time and patience. I wish they don't sell power racket to beginner to make playing tennis too easy.
In that first swing with the logo, the pro looks like she isn't keeping her eye on the ball. The amateur isn't keeping her eye on the ball. In her preparation, she isn't using both hands to take the racket back.
On the *forward* swing, some say that the hips slightly lead and the shoulders lag. It is subtle and not visible on video. But one might be able to feel the stretch as the hips lead. Opinions on this? Again, this is on the forward swing. Everyone agrees that shoulders rotate more on the backswing, creating a shoulder-hip separation. The question is whether the shoulders and hips rotate together on the forward swing.
Good one and prevents arm/shoulder injuries. Her "side" shows hips and shoulders even. shoulders be turned more than hips? She should bring the racquet back pointing up. but not part of this progression
Ian, I promise I’m not trolling, I normally really enjoy your coaching, but her swing path never changes. It is extremely lateral and at the end of the lesson she is bringing her feet together and coming to attention. I feel like if you’re going to reconstruct her forehand to do it ALL the way. She has no unit turn, her swing path is way too horizontal, she’s arming the shot completely and her guide arm isn’t being utilized at all. I hope she can work on these things and improve her forehand.
Dude. ONE THING AT A TIME. If my coach said all that stuff to me at my first freaking lesson, I would be overwhelmed and frustrated. A good teacher knows how to pace lessons.
@@pamelawells1 I appreciate your comment and feedback, but honestly beginner or not these are just the basic components of any tennis stroke. What's happening in this video will lead her to bad mechanics and even worse injury. I am very big ET fan, but unfortunately this particular lesson missed the mark.
Physics says otherwise - conservation of momentum and transfer of force are why people can hit/throw balls that fast. Throwing is the classic one, in that the traditional "throw like a girl" is actually just not understanding how kinetic chains work better and instead assuming that activating all your muscles at the same time is best. Anyone who can throw properly automatically activates them in sequence starting with the legs and ending with the wrist (i.e. in a chain).
@@NamesAreRandom you need to link how physics debunk my statement. first of all, what is kinetic chain in your mind and how it works? And does it really work as it is intended by the original people who said it? where is the source of force for kinetic chain? and how the force propogate from the ground to the hand? if you can be a real scientists and really think through it, you will come to the same conclusion as me.
@@pencilcheck The source of force is your muscles, in this case starting with the leg muscles pushing against the ground. That causes your body to move. By stopping that movement the force will need to go somewhere (the law of conservation of momentum says force has to be conserved and go somewhere). So it goes to the next stage in our chain. Kinetic Energy=½mass*velocity(squared) says that if you take force required to move something big (your body) and transfer it to something smaller (your arm) to keep the equation balanced if mass decreases velocity will have to increase so the arm moves faster. That's the basic idea although there are obviously more links in the chain. I am not sure why you are even debating this, this is very basic physics.
@@NamesAreRandom haha, are you sure you know physics? think about it, when you move your muscles, the muscle movement also has opposite and equal force, so where in the body would that origin be and where does the opposite force go? And ground is the wrong answer, because just like contact point is only millisecond, this movement of muscle is also milliisecond, so by the time the ground push back, the muscle move is already gone. Where does that equal and opposite force of muscle move goes to?? (and since ground doesn't affect the upper body muscle move, does it still have the kinetic chain??) I say no. Also, don't forget that tennis strokes are often hit while moving away from the ball or to the side of the ball when their feet isn't planted. Those pros hit so far without even touching the ground. Are you going to say that they are standing on invisible ground? or there is still a link somewhere when they lifted off the ground?? All in all, kinetic chain helps beginner to grasp the basics, but it is a myth.
@@NamesAreRandom The laws of physics are immutable. It is true. But I am not completely convinced of the validity of the Kinetic Chain theory as applied to tennis strokes and the stretch shorten cycle (SSC). The key word being a *CHAIN* , which implies a *sequence* of events. But clearly on a tennis serve, many motions are occurring simultaneously (shoulder-over-shoulder rotation occurring simultaneously with rotation along the vertical axis). A kinetic *chain* theory is not sufficient to explain these complex *concurrent* motions and stretch shortening cycles.
Video is titled, "DON'T Hit Out in Front!" After 18 minutes of coaching, student achieves success when she hits out in front. Oh irony, you are a cruel mistress!
Hi Ian. Usually we fix these kind of issues in a more natural way. Get dead balls and heavy racquet (add lots of head weight added). Feed balls from the net and ask student to hit the balls crosscourt as hard as they can, without them worrying about putting the ball in court. Constantly urge them to hit harder. Eventually they learn to hit the ball with good bio mechanics as they realize they can't arm the ball hard enough and start using their body. Do this drill for 45 minutes and then resume with normal balls and their own racquet, allowing them to hit out, and eventually asking them to hit inside if you see improvement. Within a couple of weeks you'll notice huge improvements in their bio mechanics and pop on their ground strokes. Complex instructions like this cannot be taught for normal recreational tennis players/kids, even pros for that matter. They just have to learn it naturally, by giving them goals, without really understanding how to. Hope that helps.
P.S : I enjoy watching your videos. Hope more people promote this wonderful sport like you.
Ian, your lessons are amazing!
I'm very interested in taking some lessons with you!!! Could you please tell me how much you charge?
Thanks for this video. I can't help but notice the difference with the free arm in 1:40 and 4:05. The first seems to play an active role in the preparation while the second seems to hang limp. I guess this matters? because I am personally on the limp side and hope to ditch that...
Good drill for correcting forehand. I will try this.
Pam is a great spirit, I remember her seeing her a while back.
Great student and great coach. So fun to watch someone make great strides and improvement in such a short time, thanks to natural talent, focus and great guidance.
Awesome job coach.
Cheers.
ZMM
Yes, We loved having Pam! She was such a great learner and we had a lot of fun helping her improve. Thanks for watching as always MM!
hey, thanks!! not everyone gets my "spirit." I appreciate your comment :)
I love this process! It's so beautiful seeing someone hit a nice relaxed forehand like she is doing towards the end and it's so much more satisfying playing tennis that way:-)
Absolutely Sabina! Thanks for watching!
Excellent Video. At 13:40 and 16:31 notice how the left toe is pointed. Pointing the tow allows the hips to open up, keeping the kinetic chain going.
Thanks for watching! Pam was an excellent student!
Ian, points well made and well received. There's no substitute for video analysis. What kind of camera are you using? Could you provide a link? The results are extraordinary, and with so much more capability than a mobile phone. That's how I'd like to video my strokes. Thanks again!
We've used Coach's eye for years paired with an Ipad. Unfortunately Coach's eye is no longer available and we are still working to find a substitute! Right now we are trying out "on form"
@@EssentialTennis Thanks so much, Ian. The camera makes a huge difference for both the on-court students and the online audience. And this video was a great illustrative example. Keep up the good work.
I can feel the pain for all the people that didn't use throwing motion in tennis because i myself suffered from tennis elbow. The sheer amount of tension on the muscle and tendon cause the pain at the joints. At least, she is on track to play a less injured tennis but re-learn bad mechanic will take a lot of time and patience. I wish they don't sell power racket to beginner to make playing tennis too easy.
In that first swing with the logo, the pro looks like she isn't keeping her eye on the ball. The amateur isn't keeping her eye on the ball. In her preparation, she isn't using both hands to take the racket back.
On the *forward* swing, some say that the hips slightly lead and the shoulders lag. It is subtle and not visible on video. But one might be able to feel the stretch as the hips lead. Opinions on this? Again, this is on the forward swing. Everyone agrees that shoulders rotate more on the backswing, creating a shoulder-hip separation. The question is whether the shoulders and hips rotate together on the forward swing.
I think Pam is my spiritual forehand sister 🤣
virtual high five!
Good one and prevents arm/shoulder injuries. Her "side" shows hips and shoulders even. shoulders be turned more than hips? She should bring the racquet back pointing up. but not part of this progression
Yes, not part of this progression. As I mention in the end of the video, it’s all about having a singular focus and improving that
Great lesson! I missed the storage containers!
Ian, I promise I’m not trolling, I normally really enjoy your coaching, but her swing path never changes. It is extremely lateral and at the end of the lesson she is bringing her feet together and coming to attention. I feel like if you’re going to reconstruct her forehand to do it ALL the way. She has no unit turn, her swing path is way too horizontal, she’s arming the shot completely and her guide arm isn’t being utilized at all. I hope she can work on these things and improve her forehand.
Dude. ONE THING AT A TIME. If my coach said all that stuff to me at my first freaking lesson, I would be overwhelmed and frustrated. A good teacher knows how to pace lessons.
@@pamelawells1 I appreciate your comment and feedback, but honestly beginner or not these are just the basic components of any tennis stroke. What's happening in this video will lead her to bad mechanics and even worse injury. I am very big ET fan, but unfortunately this particular lesson missed the mark.
@@pamelawells1 I also thought this lesson was great, I’m the kind of student who needs things put very simple for me and then I build from there
An important lesson, thank you very much.
You’re very welcome Nabil, thanks for watching!
Awesome video! You are an amazing coach!
I appreciate the support Luiz!
kinetic chain is a myth
Physics says otherwise - conservation of momentum and transfer of force are why people can hit/throw balls that fast. Throwing is the classic one, in that the traditional "throw like a girl" is actually just not understanding how kinetic chains work better and instead assuming that activating all your muscles at the same time is best. Anyone who can throw properly automatically activates them in sequence starting with the legs and ending with the wrist (i.e. in a chain).
@@NamesAreRandom you need to link how physics debunk my statement. first of all, what is kinetic chain in your mind and how it works? And does it really work as it is intended by the original people who said it? where is the source of force for kinetic chain? and how the force propogate from the ground to the hand? if you can be a real scientists and really think through it, you will come to the same conclusion as me.
@@pencilcheck The source of force is your muscles, in this case starting with the leg muscles pushing against the ground. That causes your body to move. By stopping that movement the force will need to go somewhere (the law of conservation of momentum says force has to be conserved and go somewhere). So it goes to the next stage in our chain. Kinetic Energy=½mass*velocity(squared) says that if you take force required to move something big (your body) and transfer it to something smaller (your arm) to keep the equation balanced if mass decreases velocity will have to increase so the arm moves faster. That's the basic idea although there are obviously more links in the chain. I am not sure why you are even debating this, this is very basic physics.
@@NamesAreRandom haha, are you sure you know physics? think about it, when you move your muscles, the muscle movement also has opposite and equal force, so where in the body would that origin be and where does the opposite force go? And ground is the wrong answer, because just like contact point is only millisecond, this movement of muscle is also milliisecond, so by the time the ground push back, the muscle move is already gone. Where does that equal and opposite force of muscle move goes to?? (and since ground doesn't affect the upper body muscle move, does it still have the kinetic chain??) I say no. Also, don't forget that tennis strokes are often hit while moving away from the ball or to the side of the ball when their feet isn't planted. Those pros hit so far without even touching the ground. Are you going to say that they are standing on invisible ground? or there is still a link somewhere when they lifted off the ground?? All in all, kinetic chain helps beginner to grasp the basics, but it is a myth.
@@NamesAreRandom The laws of physics are immutable. It is true. But I am not completely convinced of the validity of the Kinetic Chain theory as applied to tennis strokes and the stretch shorten cycle (SSC). The key word being a *CHAIN* , which implies a *sequence* of events. But clearly on a tennis serve, many motions are occurring simultaneously (shoulder-over-shoulder rotation occurring simultaneously with rotation along the vertical axis). A kinetic *chain* theory is not sufficient to explain these complex *concurrent* motions and stretch shortening cycles.