The MOST UNHINGED booktok drama... (it's bad)
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- This video is about recent booktok drama between Kierra Lewis (tik toker) and the Wennbergs! Enjoy :)
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As a woman I'm so sick and disgusted with women of all ages treating men like we hate to be treated, like a piece of meat.
I see that a lot on kpop, as well.
Right!! It's mad that RPF is looked down on but saying the same stuff from a first person perspective is accepted.
Ikr some of them are minors as well. Both the girls and boys in K-pop are so sexualised and it's weird. Parosocial relationships NGL and it's disgusting.
I agree like it's fine to think they're cute or something but to make sexual comments towards them is just downright wrong, I find Ryosuke and Yuto from HSJ handsome but I would never go on HSJ's instagram and be making sexual comments towards them members
Omg on kpop it’s really awful
Kpop boy group Fandoms are awful,they will slùt shame any woman and then they will thirst over the whatever dude they like,also I hate a man can't exist in kpop anything can be taken sexual by these fans
As a female that loves to watch hockey but also finds some hockey players really good looking I would never do this. What the booktoker says about these players is just disgusting 🤢.Felicia Alexander’s wife made a very amazing statement about this whole situation. She was very nice and was not mean in her statement. She always has a right to feel uncomfortable about this whole issue even when she was ok with it in the beginning. I feel like the booktoker just total missed the point of her statements.
I think your point of her missing the point is highlighted even more when the booktoker says “you said xyz about your husband, so why was it okay when you said it?” Like, that is a REALLY different relationship.
I’m in the same boat as you. Reading about it just gave me the icks. I have to commend Felicia for being so level-headed during all of this. I can’t imagine how weird and unsettling this whole situation must have been.
@@Organic_Mermaidnope the context was that the wife was encouraging it. It’s one thing if she said this on her own, but it seems like she was saying that to egg on the community and not an isolated situation
Exactly! I watched hockey before I read hockey romance but I wouldn’t dream of harassing any of these men irl!
@@BabyGirlTinythis is a strange take, that’s her husband and if she makes jokes about it then that’s her prerogative bc it’s happening TO them. I wouldn’t call it egging anyone on, because these people were going to harass him regardless of what she said.
“That’s a lewd comment from his own wife” um…..yeah. His WIFE who he is married to 😭😭😭. It’s honestly disturbing how people completely dismissed consent
Kiera’s response is like saying “well you were ok with having sex once so you have to be ok it whenever I want!” consent can be withdrawn at any time and there is such a thing as taking a “joke” too far, which she did.
that's what i waa thinking too! first lesson of consent is: no means no, NO MATTER WHAT. when did people forget that??
yeah
@@Bluey306 not sure if society ever grasped the concept 🥴
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I understand that and agree that you can revoke consent whenever you want but she did say that she would’ve deleted the video had someone messaged her privately 🤷🏽♀️ when you’re getting flown out and given a jersey by the actual team…it’s probably really hard to see where the line is. I understand her anger and I understand that it’s totally fine to decide “wait I don’t like this” but like
When the wife is calling him the panty dropper of tiktok I get why she’d make the comments she did. It rubs me the wrong way to say “use common sense” because if your own wife is playing into it…then isn’t “common sense” to also continue to play into it for notoriety? Like she’s on tiktok for a reason and she was getting views with support from the team and the specific player’s wife.
I REAAAALLY dont wanna play the if the roles were reversed card but imagine a guy doing this to a woman and after she says “stop this is making me uncomfortable” the guy goes “nah you put yourself out there”!
It baffles me that she doesn’t see it. Literally all she had to do was back off and apologise. Now she’s “bounced back” (Sagittarius energy she said) and ready to do this again
Literally what
Speaking for the Sagittarius delegation, we don't claim her.
@@konicb649 I would never hold her against you guys I love my sag babes ✌️😚
ya and unfortunately the reversed roles happen all thr fucking time but i can guarantee most of the ppl defending these gross ass women are also ostracizing men who do the same thing
You hit the nail on the head. People have been profiting off of sex and sexual attraction since the beginning of time. It doesn't mean they can't have boundaries. Consent flies out the window when a man puts his foot down, I guess.
@@konicb649 Co-signed (another Sagittarius)
The way people lack empathy is ASTOUNDING. All kiera had to do was think how uncomfortable itd be if a man she had 0 interest in was shouting similar things to her in public. I swear the internet has desensitized people to a degree where they simply cannot see how their actions jmpact others. Its sad really.
In this case, I believe it's less of an internet thing, and more of a groupthink mentality. "Everyone else thinks this is funny so I'm going to scroll past... Oh, the wife spoke out? Now I should speak out too."
@theMoporter I'd argue that the groupthink mentality is also a symptom of people who are chronically online. I mean, that's why there were people on booktok defending her actions.
@@theMoporter the internet is a breeding ground for mob mentality is the correlating issue.
Herd mentality, it's a psychological term.
I read it explained like this, a person is smart but people are stupid.
It’s a basic consent thing. He said he did not like it and wanted it to stop, she needs to stop. Consent can be withdrawn at anytime, she needs to chill tf out.
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The way these people are saying “and suddenly she’s not okay with it” about the wife AS IF YOU CAN’T CHANGE YOUR MIND ABOUT SOMETHING when it becomes uncomfortable. And to pull the “you’re coming for a black woman” card??? Jesus Christ. What does her race have to do with anything in this scenario?
Except the wife was acting like it was always a problem and then pointed out one person out of how many?
@@BabyGirlTinyAre you not embarrassed? Consent is a simple concept- you can revoke at ANY time. Go find a better role model and do your homework.
@@BabyGirlTiny So? Keirra is the main figure and went so far as to make those comments in person, in public, at a game. The wife can single her out, and if Keirra can act that way in public, she can take being called out in public. She expects privacy for herself but not for the other people involved? Give me a break lmao.
the wife didn’t single her out, in her original post she had a bunch of screenshots of examples, and she included a screenshot of one of her videos and Kierra blew it up saying she was singling her out but the wife was referring to a lot of people
People really acting like weirdos and creeps because a man and his wife started to get uncomfortable with their behaviour.
Going onto their family IG and leaving inappropriate comments and expecting them not to be uncomfortable and set perfectly reasonable boundaries is bizarre.
The wife was being a good sport about it, but they took it too far.
There are also families with children at those games. I'm not a prude, but I'd be extremely uncomfortable sat near her at a game shouting those obscenities.
Exactly. Some people don't understand that people can change what they're comfortable with!
I had to go onto her IG to send my support because those comments were SO disgusting
I think it’s definitely a valid point in this case to compare it to if it was a man making a video like that about a female athlete. People would find it gross, and that video was gross. Like you said, it’s fine to have these thoughts and feelings for attractive people, celebrity or not, but they should remain private thoughts.
It really makes no sense to me how almost everybody and anybody on booktok is sitting here trying to defend Kiera and the comments people made. That was literally verbal sexual harassment, let that be a man talking about a woman they would’ve been up and arms about it. They both expressed that now this is getting out of hand and that it’s making them uncomfortable but somehow Kiera is the victim and their attacking her??!??? “They played into it” that was at the beginning when it was just surface level comments and just like a little crush. They might’ve been fine with it in the beginning but NOW they are telling you to stop. If somebody’s feelings have changed that means you need to listen to what they are saying NOW.
I don't know much about the situation but from this video it looks like she did stop. What I'm getting from this is that she didn't continuously do it even after boundaries were set. You saying " they might have been fine with it in the beginning but now they're telling you to stop" suggests that she continued even after they asked her to stop, which doesn't seem to be the case
@@NeshaBoo21 the quote was referring to the many people trying to defend her and the comments they were sending to the wife and Alex. It’s shows that she doesn’t think she and her defenders comments and actions were wrong. They “stopped” but went on to blame the couple because they can’t understand consent.
@@just_apotato ok I get you
They’re defending her because it wasn’t a problem when she said it the first time. Nobody said anything when she said it the first time? Do what changed? Why was it okay then? And no all of a sudden it’s an issue? Because it doesn’t seem like anyone cared when she posted it
Idk what side of booktok you’re on but nobody on my fyp fucks with Kiera Lewis.
I was so uncomfortable hearing her say all of that 😖 yuck
Yuck indeed 😭
Especially because he’s verbalizing that he doesn’t like it. If he (himself, not the team he works for) were to play into it and encourage it, I’d still find it uncomfortable, but at least the interaction would be consensual. Currently, it is not.
Right & it’s so embarrassing!
Literally all I could think was “I’ve heard essentially this walking near men” and my stomach was slightly turning. It’s not a thing I like, and we shouldn’t expect people to be okay with what we deem appropriate. Always side with the error of caution- or whatever the phrase is.
We can enjoy things about better known people in the public eye, but that doesn’t mean we don’t treat them with a level of respect when it comes to how we feel towards them.
me too
That whole rant was disgusting as hell. Victim blaming much? 'You went along with it! Why didn't you say you were uncomfortable the first time we said it? It's YOUR fault for not saying no sooner, you were leading us on!' Ugh. And of course there has to be mention of "and you coming after a black woman?" spiel. The whole thing was just whining about getting consequences after harrassing a person which of course you should get. Yuck.
Nope that’s not victim blaming. At all. They went along with it and engaged with it.
@@BabyGirlTiny Nope. Just because they were okay with it at first doesn't mean they're okay with it all the way, and certainly doesn't give you the right to cross the line. They can engage with it to the extent they're comfortable, and when they ask you to stop, you stop. Both things can be true at the same time, one doesn't cancel out another. Saying they engaged with it at first so they can't say no when they get harassed is literally victim blaming, precisely what you're doing now.
Just because you were okay with playing dodgeball doesn't give your opponents the right to beat the shit out of you with that ball. What you said is the opponent saying, 'What? I thought you were okay with playing dodgeball, you shouldn't complain that I'm hitting you with this ball, that's what dodgeball is!' as you are bleeding and bruised.
@@BabyGirlTinylol I saw your other comments, probably a booktok girlie whining that they're not allowed to sexually harrass someone anymore. "Whyyyy can't I harrass someone just for the funsies of it????? :'(" Girl, grow up.
@@BabyGirlTiny You’re victim blaming right now.
@@BabyGirlTinyconsent can be revoked at any time. you’re a danger to society if you genuinely believe otherwise
As a swedish person who loves hockey and have known about Alex Wennberg for over 10 years - he has always had a lot of female attention for his looks, and probably get hundreds of DMs per year. It is very telling how different these last months have been attention wise since he never spoke out before. Also, as he says the norm in hockey culture is to never speak out about anything so it is a really unique situation all around.
Kiera brought up her race for no reason. Your race doesn’t add nor subtract anything from the situation. Saying this as a black woman, you playing the race card is so stupid.
YESS I WAS HOPING SOMEONE ELSE NOTICED THAT
You don't have a get out of jail free card because you're black? They're calling you out for your actions, not what you look like.
@@jordy_nn “specifically a black women” (or whatever she said) like no it’s because you don’t understand consent.
@@just_apotato FRRRR the nerve to pretend this equates to racism? Huh? Pls own up to your actions
As a black woman I literally rolled my eyes into my damn skull when I saw her bring up race
She brought up her race because she want the only person doing this but she was pointed out as if she was. It’s weird that out of all the women doing this? She pointed out the black one
8:46 exactly!! We do criticize men for making these types of sexually charged comments about irl people, but when we do it to women it's misogynistic 😭 As a lesbian, I'd feel so uncomfortable if another woman was talking about me that way.
No ,really though and that’s exactly what Felicia said but somehow that makes her insecure.
Fr it’s so uncomfortable
it so crazy how many people are agreeing with the tiktok girl and are saying that the wife is wrong??? just because you are famous doesnt mean you sign up for harassment and you definitely dont have to deal with that. to call his wife a karen for speaking up is absolutely insane. also notice how everyone is attacking his wife..?? and imagine your friends or family and coworkers reading these comments and talk about it with you, thats so embarassing. your washing machine is giving me ptsd 😭
"That's a lewd comment from your own wife"... yeah, that's his wife. How are you not able to see that it's different to receive a comment like that from your partner vs a total stranger
this is why I prefer book tube wayyyy more. can't we just collectively read and love books? lol
And good books. Not Colleen Hoover drivel, lol.
I’m on the good side of booktok where we just talk about books and recommend books. I only ever hear about the drama second hand and I’m always so confused about what’s happening
People defending the booktoker are basically saying that as soon as you have consented you can never take it back. Like if you meet someone and at first they are just complimenting you, and because you are flattered you consent to the comments but then they take a turn and become weird and make you uncomfortable but since you didn't say stop in the beginning you can't say it now.
I am a romance fiend. I read over 100 of them each year. There are 2 major things you need to know about reading romance: 1. Romance booktok is the dregs of romance, there is maybe 1 good book out of every 20 that are recommended 2. all romance is fake, that's why it's fun, but people who get too deep in the community forget that.
I remember when some 30 something old model said when Finn from stranger things turned 18 to call her or something like that. It’s disgusting honestly. Like women sexualizing men is very much a thing and shouldn’t be as normal as it is 😢
I mean… your gender has nothing to do with predatory tendencies. Woman are just as bad sometimes. Maybe worse. BECAUSE they can still use that gender card. I’m glad people are acknowledging it’s just not acceptable.
The creator is using this as an excuse, that they posted “hot” videos of the players so she did nothing wrong but there is a BIG difference between the team’s TikTok posting thirst traps and showing off that their players are attractive and posting a video saying how you want to do explicit things to a specific person. Again with the same “if a man did this” argument, but if a woman posts a bikini pic and wants to show off her body and that she feels attractive, it doesn’t mean she wants to be DMed what somebody wants to do to her because it’s unsolicited, therefore it’s sexual harassment - I think these videos should be treated the same.
Maybe it’s the asexual in me but I think it’s generally just disrespectful to make any sort of public sexual comment about someone you don’t know? They did not give you permission to treat them like a sexual object and it’s a perfectly valid line to not want people to cross. Just say he’s hot and leave it at that. Idk drama like this always just reminds me how different people are because I would never think to publicly make sexual comments about someone, are you not embarrassed? So inappropriate, these people need to learn some respect
Also a lot of comments on here are saying there’s the line because he’s married, which I have to disagree with. The line is there because he is a person and deserves respect, it doesn’t matter what his relationship status is.
I agree… I could NEVER but being sexual publicly in general makes me uncomfortable.
Saaame. I agree completely. Do these people have no sense of embarrassment or like... shame? Not saying sexual attraction is shameful, but I think these people could do with just a little bit of it 😂😅
Even if you know them, if they didn't consent, just don't do it. It's not that hard
@@ttfn1412 I feel like a problem is that a lot of allos don’t realize that people are different than them, and they kind of just assume everyone thinks about sex and sexuality the same way they do. They don’t get that everyone has different boundaries, so they just go around overstepping people’s boundaries because in their world it’s perfectly fine and they can’t understand that some people aren’t comfortable being spoken about like that or being objectified
I also think it’s so weird no one is separating the player from the company??? Like he said he was uncomfortable, why is everyone so focused on a corp trying to make money?? We all know they’re shady. It’s the individuals feelings, period.
She's no obnoxious, omg. She can't be like "get my name out of you mouth" when she's literally using other people's names in a sexual manner.
It’s really gross how people on TikTok will talk about the importance of boundaries but on the flip side will be upset that the couple set them. I swear with the use of social media we becoming more and more entitled to others it’s crazy
Performative activism and the “rules are rules unless they get in my way” mentality.
That girl who covers drama on Tiktok with horrible takes is so wild I truly cannot stand her. And the booktok girl angry over people criticizing her is a bit wild. Technically, she can do whatever she wants. Doesn’t mean we can’t criticize her. She’s deflecting so much she can’t even consider that her follows are taking things too far and her videos fuel that energy.
It’s sexual harassment, plain and simple. Him being a public figure does not change that. I’d imagine it’s a pretty unique kind of traumatizing to see hundreds, if not thousands, of people liking and positively commenting under harassing posts. People don’t stop being people with needs and emotions just because they become public figures. There is a big difference between calling someone hot and explicitly describing desired sex acts. Yes, they played into it at first, but CONSENT CAN BE REVOKED. If someone asks you to stop, you need to stop.
Everyone was okay with and played i to the surface level, more innocent comments because that’s what the players/team management were comfortable with. Why is everyone so shocked that players and their families can feel uncomfortable with blatant sexual harassment?? I thought that initial video was really gross and certainly crossed a line. She should have just apologized for her sexual comments and taken down the video instead of justifying her behavior and blaming them for “playing into it.”
Also, can we stop expecting celebrities/influencers to give up basic human rights because they’re famous?? Everyone deserves privacy and the freedom to say they’re not comfortable with something and that shouldn’t change because someone is famous. The gross behavior people try to justify is outrageous
Imagine a guy telling a girl 'Hey nice shirt, looks good on you' and the girl likes the compliment and then the guy is just like 'Yeah, your boobs are amazing, I want to touch them'
Same principal
I really hate this because women already get enough shit as it is for reading “silly romance books.” We get belittled for it all the time, and this has made it worse. I hope people understand not all of us are insane.
Omg how did that girl actually post that ! So vulgar and creepy
This is just embarrassing. Like how many times must it be said by those of us DEEP into Fandom culture? DO. NOT. THIRST. AFTER. REAL. PEOPLE. Do not SHOW real people your fics. It is one thing to make thirst traps about Optimus, Shadow, and Inuyasha FINE. But not real people, especially if THEY'RE MARRIED.
Also don't fcking SHIP real people either. That's just weird.
i agree with most of ur comment but not about "not thirsting after real people". people r gonna find other human beings attractive, what makes it wrong is the sexual harrassment associated with the comments, fics, etc. there needs to be a clear boundary of respect towards the person themselves
@finn3726 well sure being sxually attracted to people is fine. But the man is married. That's off limits. She could easily look him up to learn that. And either didn't or did and didn't care. The line for some is already for some reason hard to see. So just keep the reality off limits
@@TheRibottoStudios Yep.
Also there's a big difference between gushing over how attractive you find someone and posting your detailed sexual fantasies about them for the world to see. Not everything needs to be public, especially when the person on the other end of those fantasies can stumble across them.
So many celebrities have expressed discomfort with this sort of behaviour, but people still insist on doing it. It's so damn gross. >_
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Consent can be revoked at anytime! Just bc they liked it at one point does not mean they have to forever
Makes me worry seeing how they think consent works. Yes, the wife liked it when it was just fun and cute. It got weird and she's not giving her consent any more, you don't get to go "you said yes before, how dare you change your mind!"
I work in athletics so it’s really hard for me to imagine being able to objectify hardworking athletes, regardless of gender. It’s touch grass behaviour
That girl Kierra makes my head hurt so much, stop screaming
i think it crosses a line once the thirsting shifts from *figurative hockey player* to *specific real life person*. also frustrating that she brought her race into it as if that’s why her words about this man were deemed inappropriate
This is really scary to me how much sexual content is in these books and they aren’t aware that someone can revoked their consent. Like someone can become uncomfortable and revoked their consent, it’s still valid. It’s one of the reasons I think this boom of the romance genre needs a serious evaluation especially because the boundaries that they seem so fine walking over and the vicious defense of this is screaming porn addiction. I truly believe women shouldn’t be shamed for liking sex. I love a spicy scene in a book, but there’s a line. Especially when people will only read a book if it has sexual content. Feeling entitled to make these comments to these again REAL PEOPLE shows some serious lack understanding boundaries, which if you only read and enjoy sexual content books, is very concerning to me.
Also of course he would be ok from the comments from his wife. She’s his wife??? They wake up next to each other??? THEY HAVE A CHILD???? Like girl get a grip.
This is the same reason I despise the 'After' series, fanfiction about real people is wrong. Being a 25 year old writing about her smut fantasy about a real 18/19 year old singer and then getting money for it is wrong.
32:05 there’s no why. the man is uncomfortable. period. no question asked. he doesn’t even have to explain himself, he’s UNCOMFORTABLE. whatever his wife does after doesn’t matter, you are not part of their relationship, you have NO SAY in what they should or shouldn’t do.
some of these people not understanding that is just wild to me.
“It was a small amount a crazies” girl clearly it wasn’t if she had to make a statement about. Ain’t nobody ruin her relationship with the team, she did that herself. That girl getting mad at his wife making comments about HER husband, is she not hear herself? That’s HIS wife. Not thousands of ransoms on the internet. Just because you deal with certain things one way, doesn’t mean the rest of the world does. Congrats, that’s for YOU, not US nor Felicia.
every one of your comments ate dowwwnnn
It's the denying personal responsibility for me. Nah, anyone in the fandom who went along with increasing levela of harassment until now is culpable too.
That part about his wife making comments really threw me off because yeah it’s his wife, they’re married and have a kid together. I guess I can’t say anything sexual to my boyfriend/future husband because some rando on the internet can’t 🙄 makes perfect sense.
As a millennial, I really hate to pull the "younger generation" speech but the younger generation needs to really disconnect tiktok virality/online follower count from justification. The internet by design creates echo chambers, so if someone who is affected by your content speaks out, LISTEN to them. Online clout is not a green card to continue saying whatever the fuck you want.
I get what you're saying, but at the same time, this has been going on since forever on the internet. It was bad on livejournal, then it was worse on tumblr, and now it's mainstream on TikTok.
I just really hate tiktok, everyone is so unhinged…
@@theMoporter That was a roundabout way of agreeing.
@@FernBlackwood1995Nope. It’s ALL of ages participating in this. Unless you think gen Z was on LiveJournal before they were born 🤨.
YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THIS HEAD WITH THIS ONE FRRR. I'm about to leave my thoughts on this just because I really enjoyed the upload, but it's going to be very long so beware:
I feel like BookTok is definitely a slippery slope as far as the sm*t. It's okay when it's a healthy intake but when it gets to the point where you can't read a book without s*x and it's obsessive, that's definitely concerning. That's why 29:57 was so accurate to me because some people are sm*t addicted and are losing a grip on reality. If you see a real human being and athletes only through a sexual lens based on the type of content you've been consuming that's definitely a problem.
I have always been so against sexualizing people online (i.e the whole "what color is it, there's a slight vein at 9,2, bubblegum pink, till my back breaks" etc, etc) because it's replaced human decency and kind compliments with sexual innuendos that just feel so gross to me, especially when it's not on inherently sexual videos, they just say that to a person they're attracted to, warranted or not (though it never really is warranted). Why are you guys so okay with talking about people's bodies like that?
So when it gets to the point where you can't make distinctions between online fantasies and real human beings with feelings who probably don't want to be catcalled on a day to day basis, that's where a thick line needs to be drawn. It's perfectly okay with fictional characters that have been designed and written to be catered to their female audience, whether it's romantically or otherwise, but people? Nah.
I also agree that there is definitely a double standard between men and women being sexually harassed because y'all WOULD NOT let that fly if some men did that to a female athlete.
The original video that that Booktoker (idk what to call them) made was disgusting to me (6:15). Even if "it's not serious", or "everyone on tiktok does it.", those types of sexual videos should never be directed at people who are just living their lives. Like what happened to "He's handsome/cute"? What happened to normal compliments that aren't heavily sexual or having to do with peoples bodies? I just have a very personal gripe with those types of people and their fans that defend that immoral behavior and hype it up to the point where they feel like it's okay to do those things. Like was it necessary to talk about your "holes" ON A PUBLIC FORUM LIKE WHAT HAPPENED TO MORALITY Y'ALL...
I also have a personal problem with her using the race-card (22:17) as a POC because it had nothing to do with her being black...at all. It was about her actions, and Alex's wife didn't seem to have any racists intentions she just wanted people to leave her and her family alone. Kierra shouldn't be exempt from criticism just because of her skin tone.
I completely understand Alex's wife finding it funny or relatable at first (because ofc she can understand being attracted to her own husband!!) until it escalated and had this snowball effect that interacted with their daily lives. If you're catcalling or yelling at him or leaving gross comments on either of their Instagram (especially on posts with their literal CHILD), that's when you need to seek help. It is such basic knowledge that consent can be revoked as things progress.
I do agree with Kierra though as far as businesses using BookTok or other interests for their marketing and feeding into it, then dropping it when it no longer serves them. That was dangerous and unprofessional in the first place, especially if the players didn't consent to that thirst trappy type content being released. "BookTok did you like this one? 😏" No. Just...ew.
Last take on this I swear, but @thoughtswgracie was so intolerable to me. Just because you are a public influencer does not mean that sexual/hateful comments should be normalized. It should be expected as that happens to most people, but the narrative that you should deal with it, that's what happens and you're not allowed to complain, is dangerous in itself because you're telling people not to speak up for themselves and set boundaries. "Do you see me complaining?" is a weird take because everyone has a different tolerance for those kinds of comments and are ALLOWED to not like that and act against it.
Anyways, amazing video, and have a good day to everyone who read this mini essay LMAOO
You’re exactly right, this is coomer behavior. I’ve known and heard stories about men so deep into porn addiction that they view women as just sex objects, which results in stalking, harassment, and assault. While I do read smut I do it sparingly and still view these men as people, but I can’t imagine reading it nearly everyday in every book I buy, to the point where I can’t enjoy anything unless it has explicit content in it. Overall porn addiction needs to be talked about more, but people also need to realize it’s more than just men doing it.
@@kiplingwasafurry1108 THANK YOU omg you are so right!
Booktok really needs to stop... the way everyone in the comments was agreeing with that creepy woman like wtf.. all of them weirdos fr
It’s the Colleen Hoover and adjacent brain worms
I feel like these people fail to understand that consent can be withdrawn at any time. You can be comfortable with something at one point in time, and then uncomfortable in another.
Personally, I don't participate in booktok anymore because the real people fics get taken too far and people forget how to distinguish reality.
Why does she yell everything. It's so tiring to listen to. Both the yikes video with the sexual comments and her yelling about having friends and family.
This is a great reminder for women to check ourselves. A lot of us grew up with the idea that men should be grateful for any amount of attention we give them and it's something we need to unlearn.
I've looked for your book channel and never been able to find it, so thanks for putting in the discretion, finally lol
His statement was very polite, fair and set his boundaries. He had every right to put out that statement. It seems that people were crossing the line and behaving disgustingly.
Especially going on to their Instagram accounts to sexualise them and harass his wife and children, it's weird and gross.
been a member of the book community for over 10 years and it has gotten really crazy since it’s exploded. I miss how quiet it used to be 😭
It feels as though a loud group of people suddenly decided to hang out in my quiet corner and not even headphones block them out
You wasn't a member of a writtern porn community, was you? These are hardly "books".
My first thought was exactly what you said about consent, you can withdraw it at any time and women saying the couple was fine with it until they weren’t are giving off big predator energy. Showing up at someone’s workplace is unhinged. Men are allowed to feel vulnerable and exploited, yes the Krakens made an error in judgement assuming the “thirst traps” would remain harmless online (that is based in patriarchy and the assumption that women can’t be sexually violent which is untrue). That doesn’t mean the individual players can’t speak out. The booktok smut obsession is this generations wine mom, camouflaging addiction under a cute name doesn’t make it ok.
personally, as a Canadian that grew up with hundreds of hockey boys, I don't get the appeal of "hockey romance" or whatever. its just a sport and being obsessed with the players is something that teen girls did not grown women with grown men. they would all sit in the same section of the arena and were called puck bunnies
Same!! To me it's the sport my little cousins played and it's this thing my dad and his friends would occasionally watch, not this weird sexual fantasy
Yes, puck bunnies have always been a thing and always will be but I don’t think I’ve ever heard any of them take it to this level of sexual harassment
Lol. I'm literally teaching a 5 year old about good and bad choices. Crazy that so many people never had that clearly. Sexual harassment = bad choice!
As a woman who is a hockey and book fan, I’m so frustrated with the comments Kierra (and other creators) made originally, and also the videos in response to Felicia Wennberg’s statements.
You mentioned that you’re not sure if the players can hear the chants… during warmups, if you’re up at the glass, they can hear your conversations. So the girls filming warmups and screaming “crack my back” and making other inappropriate comments are making players uncomfortable for sure.
Also, Felicia mentioned in her statement that the OG video was being sent to her and Alex almost daily, so I understand why she’s speaking up “four months later”.
Honestly, this whole drama could make it for women who are genuinely fans of the sport since a lot of the toxic male fans have accused us of being “puck bunnies” or “jersey chasers”.
I don’t think it’s ‘pick me’ to say it’s not okay to film men stretching and sexualise them. I think it’s completely valid to say that because that is a very uncomfortable unsettling thing to go through for the people being harassed, filmed, sexualised. We shouldn’t be making it okay for women treating men like that just because a lot of men think it’s okay to treat women like that. It blows my mind that people think either way is okay, it’s not it’s gross
The term “pick me” was used for girls who hate on other girls purely to get male validation, but it has become so watered down and is mainly used against women criticizing other girls for legit wrongdoing. The fact that some people see it as “pick me behavior” to call out sexual harassment tells you everything you need to know about those disgusting people.
Wow, no. I feel bad for the player and his wife. This behavior is not ok and the women doing it would not be defending a man acting this way towards a female athlete.
I genuinely do not understand the sudden obsession with smut and spicy books and people saying they can’t read a book unless it has explicit content in it
In all fairness that’s a preference. Some of them come off really cheesy tho
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Right! I'm a grown a** 30yo woman and I can't stand sm*t in anything I read and I'm very open, s*x positive etc etc but I read books for the story, for escapism and if I want sm*t...well there are other platforms/media I can get that from yknow? 😂
🎶 one of these is not like the other 🎶
@@theMoporter huh 😭
Just to note - if you’re close enough to the glass, the players CAN hear you on the ice. I believe someone told her that and she equated the players to being like animals in a zoo. Honestly, her behavior is super gross and someone is allowed to change their feelings about your actions when your actions become abusive instead of playful.
Do these people realize that consent can be withdrawn at any point? This is pathetic. They honestly need to go touch some grass.
I'm a woman who absolutely adores hockey and genuinely love the sport and yes, I too find some of the players attractive. However, I would never in a million years make the comments this girl has as it is definitely harassment, it's not funny. I'm siding with Wennbergs wife on this one, and yes YOU CAN REVOKE CONSENT!
"jokes" more than half the stuff she said was sexual harassment comments like, guys use this excuse too but they're always get called out for it idk why these girls think they're the exception, if anything they should know how bad it is.
Does she not understand there's a line she done crossed?
It can all be boiled down to: he said he is unconfortable with this behaviour. Why Is It so hard to hear that and then stop? Literally. What's hard to understand about that. It's basic human decency.
It's funny bc in this case its a wife getting upset about inappropriate comments about her husband bc people find him attractive so people are calling the wife the "bad guy", but if a husband was getting upset at people for sexualizing his wife the WIFE would ALSO BE BLAMED for being too "provocative" or "allowing this behavior" bc her partner spoke up instead of her.
I'm glad someone is talking about this, I was unaware of this booktok drama, but I left the hockey "fandom" back in the day on Tumblr because the amount of people who were taking below the waist and zoomed in photos of Sidney Crosby's butt, the sexual harassment they were committing by doing that and talking about him the way they did, I completely checked out. Watch and see if a fellow woman was objectified like that, they'd be calling Kierra and other women creeps like they should be.
It's sad also that everyone was like "oh she shouldn't change her mind" (as you said, she's allowed to put a limit to her consent); but no one asked if HE maybe put a stop to it ? Like maybe she was okay until her husband felt unconfortable or harrassed? And he is also allowed to say "ok, this is too far"...
having been subscribed to you and the hockey guy for YEARS i have to say this is the crossover i truly never expected
There seems to be alot of sexual harassment accusations made about women that if done by a man would be a huge issue. Women can be as predatory as men and they need to be held accountable
There is literally no connection between the kraken supporting her behavior and Felicia being uncomfortable by it. Wenneberg is a professional athlete signed to the Kraken and that’s it. When it comes to his personal life and his family’s life it doesn’t fucking matter that his job supported this. That honestly just looks worse for the krakens social media team and I hope they address this and support and protect their player.
It’s very unserious that ppl believe or treat public figure like they’re not allowed to have any boundaries, and when said public figures tell ppl to respect their boundaries ppl start tweaking out about it, it’s a weird level of entitlement and parasocialism, like these ppl are REAL they’re not characters in a story
It was so icky to even watch the original videos. Smut should be kept to fictional characters and when you start hypersexualizing REAL people, it’s gone way too far.
I swear there was a situation where a group of men went to a gymnastics tournament to watch a girl in a weird way too
Yes, they had to get her security. It was at LSU
i don’t understand people justifying the comments she made. “it’s just jokes” but it’s also explicitly sexual? and public? what if her employer saw that - it wouldn’t be a joke then + she would
probably get in trouble. she is not the victim in this
also don’t understand people saying “the wife made lewd comments about him too” THATS HER HUSBAND… and you’re a random person/fan on the internet. do they really not understand
They crossed the line and now they're mad there are consequences. The wife has every right to be uncomfortable and call them all out. The stuff they were saying is foul.
The moment his wife and him said they were uncomfortable Kierra should've apologized and deleted the tiktoks. Idk why anybody bothers trying to have a discourse around it. They were clearly okay with the jokes to some extent but it got out of hand and they spoke out which they had every right to do. I don't get why people bring up that the hockey players posted thirst traps as a way to defend Kierra, like yes they consented to posting thirst traps, they didn't consent to being catcalled and other stuff. People need to start understanding basic consent!
Today I took a sexual harassment prevention course for my new job and that my friend, is text book case of sexual harassment
People overwhelmingly cross the line on social media. I can find someone attractive without feeling the need to make a sexual comment on their content. I had a video go viral and turned off the comments because the sexualization of me/my job was disgusting. I do however feel like women tend to feel justified because “men always do it”. The standard should be the same, we can’t be hypocrites.
This is basic consent. The hockey player has revoked his consent to be treated in a way that makes him feel like crap... it's so strange to me that people don't respect that. Especially when they claim to like them, etc...
Some ppl on tiktok doesn’t realize that people can change their mind about a topic.
Twich banned "simp" bc ppl was accusing staff of giving female streamers special treatment.
These people contacting the athletes and their families is what really crosses the line. You can ignore the videos if you don’t like them, but you can’t so easily ignore when people start directly contacting you.
this woman is the epitome of "people who make books their entire personality because they're losers irl with no friends"
exactly what i was thinking while watching this lmao. it's giving loser.
Yeah… as an English major and book lover, I don’t consider what these people in this gross ass situation read to be authentic literature. You know, the kind that adds something to life, or changes you in some way. It’s basically just trashy reality tv, but in book form. No wonder they act like this.
I love book but I hardly find book moots. Most of those people need to touch grass
I don't think the problem is she likes books to much. She's sexually harassing men, books didn't do that.
i find it so weird that she says “this is why our generation is on tiktok we’re just trying to have fun” it’s fun to sexualize a stranger ?? U don’t know? Who’s we??? Do NOT group the rest of us with u. Wanting to have “fun” does not mean you’re free of consequences from whatever happens because of it 😭 so delusional
Was hoping you'd cover this! Genuinely unhinged situation 😅
Thanks for addressing this in such a good and comprehensive way! And honestly, that TikTok girly is so annoying and cringe. Almost unwatchable.
The fact that a person, that person of whom you showed the clip, can call them 'emotional', because they got sexually harrassed is just sad. They act like they asked for it.. so sad to hear this type of speech. Also why is the book tokker that also sexually harassed the hockey player screaming all of the time? It doesn't make the sexual harassment any less harassment.. but maybe thats just my view
Love your videos Angelika, thank you ❤
This definitely isn't the point of the video but I hate how she kept saying "the guy above" and the gifts he gave her. What's the gift, the gift of sexualization? Like what is she doing that's such a gift.
I know lmao wtf was that
People always bring him up when they get caught being weird on the internet
the internet has made people SO bold and i hate that that is just SO normalized. chanting is one thing, but imagine going up to someone you just do not know in real life and splurting out like 15 random s**ual lines.. like no!! ick!! super ick!! why do you feel so bold saying that online !!
The OneDirection Wattpad readers to Hockey fan pipeline is very real and incredibly bizarre
I’m sure the wife wouldn’t have mind if the creator didn’t drag the joke too far. Also I heard that creator defending a non black country artist saying the n word so idgaf about her getting dragged
This just reminds me of how some Kpop Stans treat the idols as well. It’s so fucking normalized along some to make such sexual statements and “jokes” about them. And it’s literally disgusting. These are real people that haven’t consented to these types of comments. I genuinely don’t get how people act like this.
Something that I think no one really realises is how almost always in these cases, the wives/female partners are the ones who speak out first because male athletes have normalised their sexualization to a really sad point where they probably don't even see an issue unless someone points it out.
It's really upsetting how our patriarchal double standard can be so obvious yet it's not seen because admitting to it, makea you guilty of sexual harassment and being a perverted creep.
Also, what's the whole thing about them 'attacking a black woman'? Race has nothing to do with this, you are a perverted person for sexualising a real human being, not only on the internet but in real life with other people (including children) surrounding you, your skin colour has absolutely nothing to do with it.
I have been on BookTok for years now, and I feel like people started thinking that saying these kinds of things was okay is because they have been saying stuff like that about fictional characters for such a long time.
What these people do not realize is that it's different when it's a real person. This is straight-up harassment, and even though I have not participated in this, I feel awful all the same since it was my community doing this.
The point that Angelica made about "if the roles were reversed" might ruffle some feathers but it's still true. Sorry, it just is. Leave the guy and his family alone.
"I don't take my life seriously" may be you should, just a little bit?
For someone who’s just making videos for “entertainment” she is sure big mad that she got unfollowed by the sports team.
didn't realise that people on 'booktok' could be that illiterate when it comes to understanding the wifes statements.
Collen Hoover is not a romance author. Its horror disguised as Romance and her books are so problematic. Hearing you say her name gave me shivers.
FACTSSSSS
People who are into fanfiction about real life people freak me out. If you think Batman is hot and express it its completely fine because he is not a real person who could see it and feel violated. But these people seem to think that their "characters" aren't fictional, they are real people and can have very real and awful feelings about the sexual stuff you're hurling about them
I think you should also take a look at what's come up now about her not disclosing paid promotion. We see this with beauty influencers but she's doing it too.
I hate how people try to justify their lack of decency/morals/ethics/boundaries by saying ‘oh you’re a public figure it comes with the territory’