Dear Cooper, I hope Rupi Kaur sees this 😄 I kinda wanna send u a letter! As I enjoy writing too; fancy myself a writer. Maybe if I find time I'll wite ya! I miss having a penpal, yk sum1 you can reply late to lol 😬 ! My old penpal was Mary>Wisconsin >'01> school assignment 😅 but I still miss that! Lmao. Anyway, yeah. ¡¡¡ Everyone help Coop get his message to Rupi !!!
@EjayQuingyeah, the few times when he was actually around. it furthers the irony that he simultaneously had an absent father and still wants to be exactly like him
yeah and he doesnt realize his "inspirational story" is just him letting out his trauma on twitter, because he never found a healthy way to confront it and it had to come out somehow
What do you mean by "reasonably talented"? I don't mean offense, just curious, since from what I've seen people call someone "talented" when they perform an unreasonable level of skill. So isn't it a bit of an oxymoron to call someone reasonably talented?
self burn here: I was on a slam poetry team in college, selected for national competitions, and as cringe as it is, there’s an art to spoken word poetry that Rupi Kaur just doesn’t have. Her poems aren’t written to be read aloud, and she doesn’t have that spark for performing. Her work isn’t bad, but it is SO not meant for this sort of thing and it’s making me want to crawl out of my skin.
Right! I had on my favourites a video of a Mexican poetist reading some of his work, and it's one of the things I like the most, I usually listen to the same couple of poems, because are the ones I actually relate, but that's what poetry should be, and should, and feel
I was thinking the same. Tbh people like Franny Choi, Harry Baker and Phil Kaye are so good at spoken word poetry and their work works imo so much better when it's performed instead of just read.
I see what you mean and it’s very true! When I read her poems, I read them in a very calm way cause that’s how I thought she was writing them. Then seeing her read them out loud, it feels like she’s putting on a show and that’s why it’s cringy! She’s just trying too hard to be a “poet.”
I kept seeing Sarah Kay in my head while rupi was reading as a coping mechanism. Like if you're forced to watch a bad movie so you tune out and play a better one in your head. Lol, probably not relatable but i said it like it is
I don’t know much of anything about it, but don’t you need at least a *slightly* longer poem for slam poetry? Like how is the audience supposed to have time to figure out where they are, what the idea is, etc. before the poem ends? Of course they’re struggling to react, no?
when I read her poetry I do not read it with that .. moany voice. I have always read it with very serious tone in my head considering the topics at hand. it sucks that watching her read her own poetry kinda ruins it bc of how she's performing it
implying that he’s trying to make her cum and is r**ing her does not make sense. that’s not the mentality of a r**ist and even if it was why would you right about that
Rupi's poetry makes my 12 year old self kick themselves for not publishing that poetry book I was working on because it could have easily been a best seller lmao
Me rn. I'm starting to write poetry and small.. tales? (English isn't my first language and I ended here by RUclips algorythm) and I'm twelve yo, going to 13. And I can felt that I can end somewhere just by watching this.
Jesus fucking Christ Tate's story of his dad straight up abusing his mom and him and then ending it by shitting on his poor mom and praising his dad is fucking insane.
My dad was kinda the same way. Very sexist, filled my head with these toxic masculinity beliefs. Then guess what, he cheats on my mom, it wasn't too extreme it was kind of sexting. And since then, I stopped listening to his views regarding women completely and entirely.
Her getting mad that there was no applause after her poem says so much about the point of her poetry and why she does it. It always felt so surface level to me, and her way of reading it and wanting applause isn’t helping me think otherwise. Poetry is meant to make you feel. Stopping to applaud after each one is… counting the poems success in applause instead of counting it in emotional impact. Silence after a poem is read isn’t always bad.
A lot of things seem to be measured like that these days :( In terms of public adulation, numbers, views etc rather than in terms of actual quality or emotional impact.
Exactly lol, as someone who studied poetry, I can confirm 100% that she doesn't write any of this for genuine personal reasons and she also doesn't put much effort into these "poems". There's not even a single poem in her books that is written in any valid poetic form or even with any flow ☠️ Although just by the tone of voice she uses and attempts at dramatizing her words like she does we can all tell shes not invested in her words emotionally.
Tate’s “poetry” actually reveals a lot about why he is the way he is. According to his poetry, his father was sexist and abusive towards his mother. He manipulated Tate into thinking that his mother was at fault for the abuse by treating Tate well, leaving him wondering why his mother didn’t just “stand up for herself” or “do better”. This led him on a path to believe that all women are weak and fragile and dumb, because that’s what his dad thought. Generational trauma, I tell you. And now that people like Tate have access to the internet which young and impressionable kids have access to, he can broadcast his lies and manipulation to a wider audience. Shit is built like a pyramid scheme, istg. (Btw this isn’t me defending Tate, he’s a racist, sexist, and homophobic piece of shit and I fucking hate him and all the damage he’s caused, it’s just something I noticed)
Andrew obviously has issues cause he wanted a dad so bad, he ended glorifying his dads abuse and behavior in order to feel like he still HAD a dad, and wrongly places all the blame on his mom instead of his dad who was absent his entire life on his accord. He doesn’t want to admit the fact his dad just didn’t want to be around them, through no fault of the kids other than the dad being a POS, and he took on the msygony thing as the only way to relate to his dad (his dads “guidance”-slamming and blaming women for the ills of all society) and feel like he has one, when in actuality the only and true problem has been the dad the whole time. Because if he were a real man, he never would have cheated and abused the mom, he would have stayed and raised the kids and not screamed at his wife over a haircut comment. He was obviously a borderline sociopath. This is Andrew’s way of piecing together his misfortune child due to his dads sociopathic behavior, and that’s my two cents.
It’s not a bad poem. Well.. it’s not that bad. She was absolutely reading it the exact wrong way. It felt more flat than emotional because she delivers it all the same.
from just an artistic perspective, it's an odd stylistic choice to read a poem about SA in such a sensual and sexual way, with the motions she was using. It feels so uncomfortable to look at without the words, but when you add the words, it makes me feel like she doesn't even understand the meaning of her own work.
its not just from an artistic perspective, even if you have healed from SA I don't see how someone could ever talk about their experience in a sensual way- since there was nothing sensual about it.
as someone who is hella emphatic and has very, VERY vivid imagination hearing that this sensual thing was about SA is fucked up. this isnt even funny, the fuck she was even trying to do reading it like that 💀
@@kezibeeart3552 yes, most things that become mainstream are a very diluted version of a good thing of that subject matter/ art form, you can always find way better things if you don't look for highly commercial material.
@@kezibeeart3552 You obviously are not an artist. Poetry is never bad, it’s just interpreted differently. I personally do not enjoy Rupi’s poetry and believe she tries to oversell it. But, there are thousands of perspectives on it. I’d recommend reading The Three Cornered World by Natsume Soseki.
@@botticellismuse and if you were an artist you’d know that there have been tons of movements where people have declared certain ways of art not relevant, boring, or useless. I have been in art college for 2 years, with several courses on art history and art theory. I can have my own opinion, which is Rupi Kaur’s poetry lacks originality, authenticity, and actually using structures and concepts of Poems and Poetry. It just tells you the kitchen is white instead of actually trying to do anything interesting with that statement. Also thanks for the book recommendation, I’ll make sure not to read it ❤️
I don't like Andrew but why made you think that tates mom failed? Tate is a millionaire and inspiring millions of teens to find God and go to the gym Did your mom fail you?
@@armaantoor6773he is a sex trafficker and is scamming literally every man that treats him like some sort of God, anybody can encourage someone to go to the gym and anybody can help someone find God, men just didn’t want to listen until someone they found manly enough, who was a millionaire told them too, he is not impacting men as much as you think he is, he is just appealing to the incels, insecure men and boys and young boys, which is a lot of people.
@@armaantoor6773 so being rich equals being a good person now? it’s sad that he inspires young men.. to be misogynistic. besides as an atheist i don’t think it matters to “find god” in one’s life? what does it matter if they find god or not? if all they do later on is go and be disrespectful to any woman or lgbtq+ person they come across?
@@nadziqa2496 First I never said tate was a good person but how can you say tates mother failed him when tate is a millionaire that is preaching masculinity to the emasculated populace? Idc if hes all these buzzwords (bigot, sexist etc) he is a net positive and much more better then the LGBTQ community trying to indoctrinating the kids. I mean also if you look at the single mother stats the likelyhood of the tate brothers being successful as they are is slim to none so she seems to be a really good mother especially raising them in a poor condition. Also as for the finding god part, everyone for the most part seem to be atheists so lemme ask you this, the world is only going downwards and you think that preaching god is bad in a godless world? LOL the only reason why this world is going downhill is because of a godless society anyways I hope you read all that
As someone who bought milk and honey during the hype and loves poetry, I was bummed. Some pieces were killer and I lovvvveeed them, but I fell for the marketing. The cover, the artsy people who read it, it being poetry. The marketing and hype helped her so much
I remember seeing it in a store and reading a few poems here and there and I agree I feel some of it was very overhyped from Tik-Tok, it wasn’t awful but it wasn’t the best thing I had ever read either, but the cover was so beautiful!
I am honestly surprised Milk and Honey is about SA. The way she was portraying it made me feel like she was trying to be sexy or romantic. However when you read it on its own as someone who has been through some stuff it actually does sound good and it hits way harder when you read it on your own.
Uhh.. that's the thing about physical expression right. It's hard to judge. Like I feel bad. She might be thinking she's being bold and not sexy. Also criticizing how sa survivors talk about their expirience in a bad or good terms seems unfair too. Not everybody is supposed to feel the same way.
@@sakuranovaryan9261 I think some things should be VERY obvious not to do when speaking on certain topics. I am not going to be smiling and laughing while bringing awareness to something like child rap3. Like I am gonna be honest when people said it was about SA I thought she was mocking people. And people will always criticize you. Especially when you are basically representing victims of SA.
@@FroppyFroggy she is only representing herself and to me it seemed like she was going through a manic episode or something similar (i know a couple of bipolar people and that specific way of speaking and the expressions felt very reminiscent). i also find it 'cringe' and uncomfortable to watch but it's her personal trauma and to me it just really feels like she was going through something or not completely present when filming this. criticising or making fun of her about it probably isn't the best way to go about this im honestly worried about her
@@leaf111 Ok but that's you. And no when you make a poem and read it which is most likely for SA awareness you represent all of us. So if people see you treating like that without any context other people will copy you. People will treat it like something to not take seriously. And no I am not making fun of her, I never made fun of her. I even said her poem is good on its own. It actually has a deep meaning to it if you don't read it like she did. This is criticism and you will always receive it. That is entirely fair and I feel I am being pretty respectful about it. And if that is true than I do hope she is okay.
The fingers dipped inside me poem is actually about SA. So personally that connected and hit home. However the way she reads it is VERY cringe. I can see how it could be interpreted another way. But yeah, it's about SA. The man is touching her trying to take something that wasn't for him that she never wanted. A lot of her poetry is about SA and women's rights.
@@maurice8180 I love rupi and I think when I just read it without listening to her speak made it more profound to me She sucks at interpreting but her poetry is great
@@ardenalexa94 she has problematic roots (she was accused of stealing the style of her former friend on tumblr without credit) and simplifies poetry in a way that hurts poetry since many of her readers think that poetry should be or is like rupi’s, when in actuality most poetry is much more complex and not like hers at all
@@ardenalexa94 Because it's crap. Read some actual classic poetry by respected poets and you'll notice that pretty quickly. Rupi is like the fast food version of poetry.
i think the reason why she blew up is bc rupi’a poetry is accessible. easy to follow, easy to read. i think she’s a good poet that can be great. there’s a lack of substance in her poetry. she writes about heavy and important themes, but she doesn’t take it a step further. some of her poems are the start of a poem, and they don’t seem finished to me. there’s a deeper layer that she’s not really accessing. i also found it off-putting the way she read that poem in the beginning. it came off as sensual, rather than tragic and angry. i didn’t know that it was about sa, but i definitely wouldn’t have interpreted reading it that way. i would have thought the performance would have been filled with more aggression, anger, resentment, bitterness-not that.
I think her problem is just experience. Like, not as a writer, but in the topics she writes about. They lack the personal flavour that I would expect from a poet drawing from life, and I think they're often more like a poetry exercise than a fully realised poem because of that. The ones that she was clearly drawing from experience are much better and invoke more feeling, but still feel heavily influenced by the snippets of full poems that social media spreads so easily. She definitely has a few that hit though. The home in herself one? Doesn't need to say anything else, it hit for me.
@@Jane-oz7pp i agree, there’s a disconnect in her writing. i think it would be great if she expanded more on her personal experiences rather than ones she’s not familiar with. considering that a lot of contemporary poetry is about personal experience. although, there are great stories and poems written by ppl who haven’t gone through the things they write about, and it’s very impactful. i think it’s all about approach and the way you write about topics you’re unfamiliar with. she’s got a solid foundation to work off of. it would wonderful to see her grow more as a poet.
@@felixhenson9926 for sure! i feel like there’s an inconsistency to her poetry bc of this. at least from my perspective. some of her poems try too hard.
12:40 why does his poetry sound like a sister’s general conference talk?! 😭 Like, he wanted to sound all tough and manly but just sounds like an old Mormon lady. 💀✋
As someone who managed a slam poetry club around the time of her rising star Tumblr days, I have always disliked Kaur's readings (it's so cringe and obnoxious) and "poetry" style. Her simplistic, somewhat lazy work is made to be marketable. Like Mindy Kaling, she also generalizes the South Asian immigrant/female experience to the point that it does more harm than good (at least, that's what I have heard from the community). Change of subject, the thing that makes me hate Andrew Tate the most is how he villainizes his mother (who was being abused) and idolizes his unbelievably abusive father. Even after thirty years, he still hasn't connected the dots that his father's erratic, selfish behavior plays a huge role in why he grew up poor.
While I too often find Rupi Kaur’s poetry cringe, it’s equally cringe to deny her a place among PoC poets. You’re relying on the narrative that merit gets you published or famous. Hitting a chord and having the money to back it up does. So by all means champion other young female PoC poets, but you don’t need to shit on her
@@leylamartinez7372, I didn't mean for it to read that way, and I have edited that part of my original comment. Thank you for pointing out how it actually reads to me.
as a literature scholar and writer, i can confidently say that rupi is not even a topic of discussion in the field. my colleague and i were joking about her and our supervisors didnt even know who she was. she appeals to a non-literary audience and produces caricatures of what she and her audience think poetry is (spoken and written). for young writers just getting into poetry, she can be a useful stepping stone, but she should remain just that in my opinion.
Thank god! Well said... i hope everybody reads your message. She can make a buck, all good about that, but a writer she is isn't... and even less a POET!!!! Lets not fool around with serious things. Art is to be respected.
ur more educated than me so i’m curious about your opinion: is it fair to say that certain poets should have permission to fill this niche? there’s no way to say this without sounding condescending but legitimately i think younger readers may benefit from beginner poems! (i.e. ones that are overall simple and require little experience interpreting poetry to get) i can’t imagine trying to do real in-depth literary criticism on rupi kaur, but also i think that may be part of the point (intentional or not lmao) - doesn’t mean it’s less grating to read or hear, just curious if you think her work is a net positive or negative!
@@heavenwaits that's a great question. this is what i meant by "stepping stone" - so, though i think her work is deeply irritating, i wouldn't say it is all bad, espescially if it is getting young people into poetry. the trick would be to keep people from stagnating with this kind of writing and reading
hi! i’ve recently got interested in english poetry (and writing poems in english, it’s not my first or even second language hahah), but i don’t seem to find anything substantive and beginner-friendly on poetics. is there anything you could recommend?? and/or maybe share some of your favourite poems/poets :) ❤
@@kai-xr1hg we NEED to stop authors and writers from ruining their own careers. like girl, either write something that speaks for itself and recite it calmly, or write something simple and recite it expressively. CHOOSE ONE RUPI KAUR, DON'T MIX 💀
The one where she went “do you guys hate that one?” Really made me feel for the audience. The way that she read the poem sounded like it was going to continue. It sounded like she hadn’t ended, and that all these people had to go off of. So then her going “oh didn’t like that one?” Must have made them feel so guilty for not realising it was over, even though it wasn’t their fault. And I think that’s the main problem with her poetry, is how she reads it. She doesn’t emphasise the right parts, and it really impacts the overall poem when read aloud. It’s worse considering it’s not just an interpretation, but it’s how she thinks it in her head, which ruins the poetry for anyone who has listened to her read it. Poetry needs a flow, it needs to fit it’s literary patterns to its tone. The way you read it must invoke what it felt like to write it, and that is why poetry is so hard. You can’t fall back on anything, it’s all in your words and how you represent them.
That's not how I imagined her reading, for sure, a more calm and posed reading with a gentle voice would have helped her mild poems a lot more... rhythm is what her poems are based on... it makes it feel so shallow that it wasn't her actual focus... I would be interested to see her writing routine... must be... very complex huh
@@purpleway1713 I feel like her poetry lacks rhythm because there's no consistent meter, there's also not really a rhyme scheme. While I do believe that the rules in writing are meant to be broken, you need to establish an understanding of those rules before you can break them. She does not show an understanding of the concepts of meter and rhyme scheme, in my opinion.
@@carnetplank6259strength is looking at what happened, feeling it, and letting it go. clearly andrew tate hasn’t done that since his trauma clearly impacts everything about his life based on the abhorrent hateful shit he says. healed people don’t abuse other people. andrew is weak. he hasn’t healed and probably never will. that’s why he’s such a dickhead. what you described is weakness. so sad for you.
14:23 is how I felt in my intermediate poetry class I took sophomore year lmao. We had these assigned poems to read that on first read were kinda meh but on second read?! Absolutely fire.
i'm a poet and i'm extremely into it, and a lot of people in the poetry community (i would argue the majority) really dislike rupi kaur. i don't like her work that much but honestly it's not bad, i just think it's more "inspirational quotes" than poems most of the time and i wish it was marketed more that way
her “poetry” isn’t even poetry. It’s sentences with breaks in them. She seems really sweet but I’m sorry, her work is just silly. There are some genuinely amazing poets out there, and there are ways to write that have more of an impact. The problem with Rupi is that her writing just doesn’t bring anything to the table.
@@d3v433 The Autobiography of Red by Anne Carson is amazing. Some of my other favs: TS Eliot, ee cummings, Derek Walcott, YB Yeats, Arthur Rimbaud, and Charles Baudelaire, with the usual caveat that if you don't like older poetry you might not like them.
Its still poetry is it not? Its bad but still? Or is there is some method to define or calculate what a poetry is and you have to fit into that otherwise you are not a poet?
@@d3v433 Blake. Nothing beats Blake. Spending $30 dollars on 'Complete Prose and Poetry by William Blake' is the single greatest investment I have ever made. No sarcasm.
As someone who owns milk and honey and enjoyed it, I think the problem is her poetry isn’t really meant to be read aloud, especially in the way she delivers it. It’s like how spoken word is difficult to absorb when it’s just written down- but in reverse
See this is why I love you Cooper. You see things, think about them, find your interpretation, then comment on it. You’re not afraid to change your mind and you’re also not afraid of publicly voicing those thoughts. I aspire to be like you Cooper.
I'm a poet, I really dislike Rupi Kaur. I think that she mostly just says too little. Her poems are all very short and most are very marketable. She has bits and pieces that feel like they could lead to something great, but she always ends the poem after giving a single nugget that could be decent. I'm not even upset about that; there are tens of millions of poets, past and present, who have been on a creative journey. I just feel that she thinks she's some great artiste when really most of her work is really lacking. And I fully support her right to share her story and speak what she has to say, I just find it sad that other female poets talking about the same thing (much more eloquently) don't get equal recognition. But she's doing well for herself and she isn't hurting anyone, so I suppose it's a little unfair to be upset. Idk man.
To me it seems like she writes instagram captions for „deep“ teenage girls. I mean, even that has it’s right to exist, but calling it poetry seems like an insult to the craft.
I am a writer and I agree. No offense to her, but her poetry has always seemed lazy and haphazard to me. It never felt like she put in any effort to include poetic devices or actually explore complex themes. She's not a good writer or poet in my opinion because I never really felt anything reading her work, I was never moved. She's a brilliant person who has amassed alot of success but her writing does feel lazy and technically inept.
I actually bought that book years back because it was recommended to me by a friend. She has intense "not like the other girls" vibes. a lot of her poems were directed at the guys she was once with moving on to other girls and how she was clearly superior
a thing i HATE abt milk and honey is the way kaur has a couple of poems that are all bitchy at the "other woman" her ex left her for but the final chapter (? section? whatever) is all "guys we're all sisters 🥺🥺 let's not fight and pit ourselves against each other 🥰🥰 yay sisterhood!! 💞" and its like so where was that sisterhood attitude when you were calling that girl he left you for a cheaper version of yourself it feels completely out of nowhere too like theres no poems in between those two points that really show her development from one way of thinking to another like theres one thats like "to all the women ive called beautiful before ive called you smart/brave/whatever im sorry for reducing you to your looks" but thats it and it doesn't feel like enough imo
my problem with kaur has always been her absolutely lack of caring about the dictionary. she just is barely creative at all. she has absolutely struggled but she only connects with the shallowest emotions, she’s never written an actually deep poem.
@Antonella Nicolino POETRY IS ONE OF THE MOST FLUID ART FORMS BUT IF YOU BARELY UTILIZE POETIC DEVICES OR SOUNDS OR METRES THEN THAT IS NOT AN ART FORM, THAT IS JUST JOURNALLING!
@@antonellanicolino6142 Sorry for the screaming I felt like it. Now, is it so weirdly restrictive to say a poem must fit the basic criteria of a poem in order to be a poem? Hm...
Bitch is a thief and is rich now. That's the main problem with her. The worst thing an author of the genre can do is steal from others then never addressing that it happened. People who see dgaf about the books. She's hated by several writing communities. That's why she took the Tikky down after uploading. 😂
seriously i know rupi's been doing poetry readings for years but i never got the sense that she knew how to actually perform her work, like her delivery was carrying more substance than the actual words
Rupis poetry isn’t bad because it’s bad. It’s just LAZY. She had so many three line poems that say almost nothing where I’m like…..this is like the notes app note that real poets start from. But you used a WHOLE PAGE of a book for it because you’re just concerned with creating as much content as possible
"there is a difference between someone telling you they love you and them actually loving you". God, I laughed so hard at that one. What an original and subtle message, Rupi. Never would've though of writing such a thing
15:19 her poetry isnt "bad" it's actually pretty nice, but it's more like affirmations or a way to say bad things in a brighter point of view. It's something simplistic that any average person can understand and even connect too. But the way she says it like it is some new, ground-breaking, never said before, artistic poetry that makes it cringe.
I see that, but somehow he also looks like a 7 year old girl. I have a cousin(not directly, related by marriage) that looks exactly like him, she has literally the same facial features, hair color, etc. And so I can't stop finding him cute as in child kinda cute.
The Tate "poetry" makes sense why he acts and has beliefs he has. That is called childhood trauma I believe. "Before the mind can create the world, the world creates our minds" said by Dr. Gabor Mate. Trauma imprints into us a worldview tipped with pain, fear and suspicion. No it makes quite sense for me why Tate is who he is.
Yep, he was constantly fed sexism as a kid and grew to idolize his abusive father and take on the role. It's pretty common for kids who grew up in volatile houses to either take on the role of the victim or the abuser because they believe that's how love and relationships are supposed to be. But all the same people with childhood trauma grow up to NOT be human traffickers. Once you're an adult, like it or not, it's up to you what you do with yourself. It's sad but doesnt excuse anything he did
I think Rupi has some good and important things to say, but I also think that a lot of her writing isn't poetry. A shower thought with line breaks is an idea for a poem, not a fully fleshed out, deep, resounding poem. I just think a lot of her work kinda feels lazy in that way. (also, the fact that she'll say a completely generic sentence and act like she did something super clever is annoying) But I do see how it could resonate with some people, and that's okay
The best part about Tates poetry is that anything thats tweeted while he’s in jail, he’s not posting. He’s most likely telling someone to post that, so he told someone all of this with a straight face, and really thought he did something.
Rupi's poetry shares the exact vibes of the 'fake deep' posts on Facebook. She's saying pretty flat and unimpressive statements but acting like she just changed the human language...just like a LOT of fake deep Facebook posts about life and learning, haha
"Omg poetry is cringe" "wait.. No i kinda like some poetry when you let it kinda sit in your brain a while" ".. Wait is that what poetry is?" "wait do I like poetry??" That's the life cycle of every new poetry fan
What you're noticing is that Rupi Kaur isn't a spoken-word poet, she's a poet. As a spoken word poet/spoken word artist myself, I hear the words used interchangeably but they are not. A poet is someone who can write really impactful poetry on paper (to be read, not to be performed by themself). A spoken word poet has incredible stage presence and brings an audience into a piece, instead of paper their medium is performances. You can be a poet and not be a spoken word poet, you can be a spoken word poet and not be a poet. You can also be both. The art forms are different and it's okay not to have mastered both.
I’m in an undergrad creative writing class and I’m also taking creative writing classes at the graduate level, and in this undergrad class, there are SO MANY 20-year-olds who read their own work like they’re the next Emily Dickerson, or just how this woman reads. Their body language, the inflections in their voices…So cringe. And then the smug look on their face as we all snap after they’re done reading. Full body cringe chills. The students in the grad class are much more self aware and less full of themselves.
@itssimple9296 It honestly depends on the professor and the course (fiction, non-fiction, poetry, etc.). I have a creative writing minor right now and I’m working on my MA in creative writing, and I’ve had such a variety of workshop and workload experiences. Sometimes you’re reading for 80% of the class and only writing for 20%, and for other classes you’re reading only about 40% of the time and writing for 60%. Overall I’ve had good and bad experiences, but I love it and definitely recommend everyone takes a creative writing course at least once if it fits in their schedule!
that's the time and place to work through your cringe pieces and grow as a writer! not catapulting yourself into fame because of a viral instagram photo and never actually honing your craft
If I had to read my own poetry aloud in a class, I would be spending the whole time trying not to bust out laughing with embarrassment at my own work, even if I thought it was good.
Idk as someone who's been in your situation, i just feel like it's nice they're expressing themselves, i mean do you ever read your stuff? I think it's easy to forget the average person doesnt care about poetry much. In my class people barely read anything I imagine because they were afriad of being judged by people like you.
I genuinely believe that the crowd DID not understand her poem was ending. She has absolutely no line delivery and that’s FINE but maybe don’t read your own poem then 😭
I think reading poetry and speaking poetry are two totally different beasts. I view poetry as art- knowing there is a lot of emotion backing its words. The issue arises when people want to publish their poetry books, because its 'easy' to write a book. Unfortunately, it is incredibly hard to write 100+ good poems that relate enough to sit together in a physical read. You wind up with lukewarm, watered down emotions that dilute the rest of the piece.
Idk you gotta be vulnerable and let go of your insecurities and doubts to be able to not just write but perform poetry so the fact that it matters more to her to perform for herself how she feels is right over whether it’s cringe mad respect
Poem I had to write bc School: As the beautiful fuchsia sky slowly creeps away, I wonder if you would ever stay, I guess I’ll just have to wait another day, And as the grass slowly sways, I’ll have to say, Goodbye Poem my friend wrote (title by me poem by bsf inspo by sbf): *CHEESE REVENGE* I am grateful for cheese It is amazing If you eat it You are amazing An erotic poem (by tumblr): Leg so hot Hot hot leg Leg so hot u fry an egg
I actually write poetry all the time but I spend forever to make them original and I wrote the following poem myself Love and pain They are one in the same One may be forgotten The other may not You may life a lifetime Without needing a lifeline, But when dawn falls And all those missed calls, Love and pain They are one in the same. I hope y'all enjoy it, because I spent forever making it like no other poem I know.
I see where Rupi is coming from. However, my issue with the way she writes is that I feel like she's writing JUST to to blow up on social media. It's very 21st century-esq poetry and it feels so performative. The most amazing poetry for me has been the poems that access raw emotions in an unfiltered, vulnerable way that sometimes leads to pages of writing. Shorter doesn't mean better 😭
2:10 omg please I'm begging you stop playing this clip I'm literally throwing up and crying this is torture you mUSt have kNOWn you were WRONK. With your FINGers DIPped insIDE me-ah. 😫
Tate really saw his dad verbally abuse his mom, shit talked about his mom to him in private, and then his dad shaved his head as a form of revenge towards his mother, and Tate went "hell yeah dad 🤙"
My mother once told me: “Poetry is subjective to the eye of the reader. If poetry is impressively written, all people can resonate with it. If it’s not very well written then there will be not many that enjoy it. Poetry is a talent, it’s not something your naturally good at. You don’t have to be revolutionary in poetry, but you also can’t say something that has been said before. It must come from the heart, not your ass.” God I love my mother.
I’ve since learned that first poem is abt SA and like, I get it. And it would have come across that way had I just read it myself, like that would have clicked and resonated with me, but the way she personally read it out? With the voice and hand motions, it completely *did* feel like she was trying to be almost sensual w it. Like, it came off to me like she was saying a man couldn’t get her off as a confident sensual woman when she read it. I wish she had just read it .. not like she did, bc I do enjoy that!
1:54 from someone who’s trying to get into acting school, poetry should be said in the most natural way. what she is doing makes it so awful and cringe. you can see the actual beauty in poetry, as well as actually understand it, only when you say it like an actual human being ffs
First youtube commentary video with a 3 act structure and a character arc. Rupi Kaur I’m your biggest fan.
Love,
Cooper Riley Neidecker
Character developement at its finest
Riley???
Your first and middle name fit together so well
Hey Cooper I just wanted to say I really love your videos, can you play five nights at Freddy's?
Dear Cooper,
I hope Rupi Kaur sees this 😄 I kinda wanna send u a letter! As I enjoy writing too; fancy myself a writer. Maybe if I find time I'll wite ya! I miss having a penpal, yk sum1 you can reply late to lol 😬 ! My old penpal was Mary>Wisconsin >'01> school assignment 😅 but I still miss that! Lmao. Anyway, yeah. ¡¡¡ Everyone help Coop get his message to Rupi !!!
Honestly I can’t imagine the pain Andrew tate’s mother feels seeing her son turn into the man who abused her
my thoughts exactly. and his brother too, the poor woman's lost every love of her life. i just wanna hug her or something god
Let's just hope their sister is there for her
@EjayQuingyeah, the few times when he was actually around. it furthers the irony that he simultaneously had an absent father and still wants to be exactly like him
@EjayQuingthe only thing he got from his father is being a pimp
Men with ✨Daddy Issues✨
Love how Tate’s poetry is just a normal story but he keeps hitting the enter button by accident
STOP RIGHT NOW HAHA I CACKLED
LITERALLY
💀💀💀
fr tho
“Normal story” uhhhhhhhhhh
it’s really sad to actually hear firsthand accounts of abuse told from the perspective of a child that has such a twisted view of the situation
yeah and he doesnt realize his "inspirational story" is just him letting out his trauma on twitter, because he never found a healthy way to confront it and it had to come out somehow
He hasn't hit that point of "Oh wait... my childhood was actually really fucked up" that we all get- actually I don't think he ever will.
I was thinking that, like I get why he's so fucked up.
Who?
@@adeaoud3404 andrew tate
rupi is like a reasonably talented person that got praised WAY too much as a child for average things
Well said!
She’s not talented she’s completely average
Bingo
Fr
What do you mean by "reasonably talented"? I don't mean offense, just curious, since from what I've seen people call someone "talented" when they perform an unreasonable level of skill. So isn't it a bit of an oxymoron to call someone reasonably talented?
self burn here: I was on a slam poetry team in college, selected for national competitions, and as cringe as it is, there’s an art to spoken word poetry that Rupi Kaur just doesn’t have. Her poems aren’t written to be read aloud, and she doesn’t have that spark for performing. Her work isn’t bad, but it is SO not meant for this sort of thing and it’s making me want to crawl out of my skin.
Right! I had on my favourites a video of a Mexican poetist reading some of his work, and it's one of the things I like the most, I usually listen to the same couple of poems, because are the ones I actually relate, but that's what poetry should be, and should, and feel
I was thinking the same. Tbh people like Franny Choi, Harry Baker and Phil Kaye are so good at spoken word poetry and their work works imo so much better when it's performed instead of just read.
I see what you mean and it’s very true! When I read her poems, I read them in a very calm way cause that’s how I thought she was writing them. Then seeing her read them out loud, it feels like she’s putting on a show and that’s why it’s cringy! She’s just trying too hard to be a “poet.”
I kept seeing Sarah Kay in my head while rupi was reading as a coping mechanism. Like if you're forced to watch a bad movie so you tune out and play a better one in your head. Lol, probably not relatable but i said it like it is
I don’t know much of anything about it, but don’t you need at least a *slightly* longer poem for slam poetry? Like how is the audience supposed to have time to figure out where they are, what the idea is, etc. before the poem ends? Of course they’re struggling to react, no?
It’s so weird that “fingers dipped inside me” poem was about s*xual assault and that she was reading it in that specific way. So so weird
why would you word a poem about SA like that...
when I read her poetry I do not read it with that .. moany voice. I have always read it with very serious tone in my head considering the topics at hand. it sucks that watching her read her own poetry kinda ruins it bc of how she's performing it
implying that he’s trying to make her cum and is r**ing her does not make sense. that’s not the mentality of a r**ist and even if it was why would you right about that
@@kaijuhunting it's not the wording that's wrong but her interpretation
@@amberevol yeahhhh
Rupi's poetry makes my 12 year old self kick themselves for not publishing that poetry book I was working on because it could have easily been a best seller lmao
Me rn. I'm starting to write poetry and small.. tales? (English isn't my first language and I ended here by RUclips algorythm) and I'm twelve yo, going to 13. And I can felt that I can end somewhere just by watching this.
BIG MOOD.
@@sugawara7367
Short stories?👀
@@nyx6879 Yes, thanks you, darling. I'm kinda bad with english (My first language is Spanish).
@@sugawara7367
It's k, got you.
Though your English sounds pretty great!
Jesus fucking Christ Tate's story of his dad straight up abusing his mom and him and then ending it by shitting on his poor mom and praising his dad is fucking insane.
My dad was kinda the same way. Very sexist, filled my head with these toxic masculinity beliefs. Then guess what, he cheats on my mom, it wasn't too extreme it was kind of sexting.
And since then, I stopped listening to his views regarding women completely and entirely.
that story actually explains a lot tbh
it's kinda sad. i grew up similarly but thank god i got to cope with it in a healthy way and didn’t grow into a piece of shit
Thank you!
i didn’t know trauma symptoms were becoming a sex trafficker
Her getting mad that there was no applause after her poem says so much about the point of her poetry and why she does it. It always felt so surface level to me, and her way of reading it and wanting applause isn’t helping me think otherwise. Poetry is meant to make you feel. Stopping to applaud after each one is… counting the poems success in applause instead of counting it in emotional impact. Silence after a poem is read isn’t always bad.
A lot of things seem to be measured like that these days :( In terms of public adulation, numbers, views etc rather than in terms of actual quality or emotional impact.
Exactly lol, as someone who studied poetry, I can confirm 100% that she doesn't write any of this for genuine personal reasons and she also doesn't put much effort into these "poems". There's not even a single poem in her books that is written in any valid poetic form or even with any flow ☠️ Although just by the tone of voice she uses and attempts at dramatizing her words like she does we can all tell shes not invested in her words emotionally.
Tate’s “poetry” actually reveals a lot about why he is the way he is. According to his poetry, his father was sexist and abusive towards his mother. He manipulated Tate into thinking that his mother was at fault for the abuse by treating Tate well, leaving him wondering why his mother didn’t just “stand up for herself” or “do better”. This led him on a path to believe that all women are weak and fragile and dumb, because that’s what his dad thought. Generational trauma, I tell you. And now that people like Tate have access to the internet which young and impressionable kids have access to, he can broadcast his lies and manipulation to a wider audience. Shit is built like a pyramid scheme, istg. (Btw this isn’t me defending Tate, he’s a racist, sexist, and homophobic piece of shit and I fucking hate him and all the damage he’s caused, it’s just something I noticed)
An egg with trauma 😐
I agree with you but how is he racist he's literally half black
@genekendrick679 bro…😭😭
@@erfchug-xc8cn what🤔
Andrew obviously has issues cause he wanted a dad so bad, he ended glorifying his dads abuse and behavior in order to feel like he still HAD a dad, and wrongly places all the blame on his mom instead of his dad who was absent his entire life on his accord. He doesn’t want to admit the fact his dad just didn’t want to be around them, through no fault of the kids other than the dad being a POS, and he took on the msygony thing as the only way to relate to his dad (his dads “guidance”-slamming and blaming women for the ills of all society) and feel like he has one, when in actuality the only and true problem has been the dad the whole time. Because if he were a real man, he never would have cheated and abused the mom, he would have stayed and raised the kids and not screamed at his wife over a haircut comment. He was obviously a borderline sociopath. This is Andrew’s way of piecing together his misfortune child due to his dads sociopathic behavior, and that’s my two cents.
As someone who likes to write I admire her self confidence, but also like WOW that’s first video is something
For real! 😭
OMG I thought the same exact thing
Yeahh the second one wasn't bad tho
It’s not a bad poem. Well.. it’s not that bad. She was absolutely reading it the exact wrong way. It felt more flat than emotional because she delivers it all the same.
I felt like she was holding my coochie hostage lmfao
from just an artistic perspective, it's an odd stylistic choice to read a poem about SA in such a sensual and sexual way, with the motions she was using. It feels so uncomfortable to look at without the words, but when you add the words, it makes me feel like she doesn't even understand the meaning of her own work.
its not just from an artistic perspective, even if you have healed from SA I don't see how someone could ever talk about their experience in a sensual way- since there was nothing sensual about it.
@@julia-ex7im literally it lowkey is almost triggering to me hearing her read it in that manner after knowing what it’s about and also experiencing sa
I’ve seen people claim she has a history of plagiarism so it’s possible she doesn’t understand
I cannot metaphor so I didn’t realize it was about sa until I saw people’s comments and yeah that tone REALLY feels out of place.
as someone who is hella emphatic and has very, VERY vivid imagination hearing that this sensual thing was about SA is fucked up. this isnt even funny, the fuck she was even trying to do reading it like that 💀
Rupi's poetry isn't that bad it's just the fact that she thinks it hits way harder than it actually does
And it’s pretty bad lol, there is just so much better poetry out there that doesn’t get highlighted
@@kezibeeart3552 yes, most things that become mainstream are a very diluted version of a good thing of that subject matter/ art form, you can always find way better things if you don't look for highly commercial material.
It’s that bad
@@kezibeeart3552 You obviously are not an artist. Poetry is never bad, it’s just interpreted differently. I personally do not enjoy Rupi’s poetry and believe she tries to oversell it. But, there are thousands of perspectives on it. I’d recommend reading The Three Cornered World by Natsume Soseki.
@@botticellismuse and if you were an artist you’d know that there have been tons of movements where people have declared certain ways of art not relevant, boring, or useless. I have been in art college for 2 years, with several courses on art history and art theory. I can have my own opinion, which is Rupi Kaur’s poetry lacks originality, authenticity, and actually using structures and concepts of Poems and Poetry. It just tells you the kitchen is white instead of actually trying to do anything interesting with that statement. Also thanks for the book recommendation, I’ll make sure not to read it ❤️
Rupi's live readings would be 10x BETTER if she just learnt how to perform poetry 😭😭
She's been doing it for many many many years and is still terrible. Some people are just bad at performing.
Wouldn't make the poems better though.
As a poet, I can confirm, this was PAINFUL.
hahahahaha I READ "AS A POEM" 😂
People always say "Poetry was meant to be read aloud," like nah bro it's meant to be read ALONE, in SILENCE.
Well it depends on the individual writer and or piece
LOL that seems to be the general sentiment among most poets @@lyneysloophole
WHY DO YOU KEEP REPLAYING THE FIRST BIT PLEASE COOP I CANT DO IT ANYMORE
I had to take out my earbuds every time he replayed it 💀
BAHGSBVC I ALMOST STARTED CRYING
SERIOUSLY LMAOOOOOO
he's a covert sadist lol
It was so painful 😭
im so sorry for andrew’s mom, you can tell she was just a normal human who wanted to raise her son right but she failed because of her shit husband
Yes it’s a tale as old as time and i understand why he is the way he is.
I don't like Andrew but why made you think that tates mom failed? Tate is a millionaire and inspiring millions of teens to find God and go to the gym
Did your mom fail you?
@@armaantoor6773he is a sex trafficker and is scamming literally every man that treats him like some sort of God, anybody can encourage someone to go to the gym and anybody can help someone find God, men just didn’t want to listen until someone they found manly enough, who was a millionaire told them too, he is not impacting men as much as you think he is, he is just appealing to the incels, insecure men and boys and young boys, which is a lot of people.
@@armaantoor6773 so being rich equals being a good person now? it’s sad that he inspires young men.. to be misogynistic. besides as an atheist i don’t think it matters to “find god” in one’s life? what does it matter if they find god or not? if all they do later on is go and be disrespectful to any woman or lgbtq+ person they come across?
@@nadziqa2496 First I never said tate was a good person but how can you say tates mother failed him when tate is a millionaire that is preaching masculinity to the emasculated populace? Idc if hes all these buzzwords (bigot, sexist etc) he is a net positive and much more better then the LGBTQ community trying to indoctrinating the kids. I mean also if you look at the single mother stats the likelyhood of the tate brothers being successful as they are is slim to none so she seems to be a really good mother especially raising them in a poor condition.
Also as for the finding god part, everyone for the most part seem to be atheists so lemme ask you this, the world is only going downwards and you think that preaching god is bad in a godless world? LOL the only reason why this world is going downhill is because of a godless society anyways I hope you read all that
As someone who bought milk and honey during the hype and loves poetry, I was bummed. Some pieces were killer and I lovvvveeed them, but I fell for the marketing. The cover, the artsy people who read it, it being poetry. The marketing and hype helped her so much
I remember seeing it in a store and reading a few poems here and there and I agree I feel some of it was very overhyped from Tik-Tok, it wasn’t awful but it wasn’t the best thing I had ever read either, but the cover was so beautiful!
her poetry isnt that bad, its just the way she thinks its SO GOOD to the point where she reads it like that makes me want to cry
I am honestly surprised Milk and Honey is about SA. The way she was portraying it made me feel like she was trying to be sexy or romantic. However when you read it on its own as someone who has been through some stuff it actually does sound good and it hits way harder when you read it on your own.
Uhh.. that's the thing about physical expression right. It's hard to judge. Like I feel bad. She might be thinking she's being bold and not sexy. Also criticizing how sa survivors talk about their expirience in a bad or good terms seems unfair too. Not everybody is supposed to feel the same way.
@@sakuranovaryan9261 I think some things should be VERY obvious not to do when speaking on certain topics. I am not going to be smiling and laughing while bringing awareness to something like child rap3. Like I am gonna be honest when people said it was about SA I thought she was mocking people. And people will always criticize you. Especially when you are basically representing victims of SA.
@@sakuranovaryan9261 It’s her creative expression and all but we’re allowed to criticize it. Our own interpretation and shit.
@@FroppyFroggy she is only representing herself and to me it seemed like she was going through a manic episode or something similar (i know a couple of bipolar people and that specific way of speaking and the expressions felt very reminiscent). i also find it 'cringe' and uncomfortable to watch but it's her personal trauma and to me it just really feels like she was going through something or not completely present when filming this. criticising or making fun of her about it probably isn't the best way to go about this im honestly worried about her
@@leaf111 Ok but that's you. And no when you make a poem and read it which is most likely for SA awareness you represent all of us. So if people see you treating like that without any context other people will copy you. People will treat it like something to not take seriously. And no I am not making fun of her, I never made fun of her. I even said her poem is good on its own. It actually has a deep meaning to it if you don't read it like she did. This is criticism and you will always receive it. That is entirely fair and I feel I am being pretty respectful about it. And if that is true than I do hope she is okay.
The fingers dipped inside me poem is actually about SA. So personally that connected and hit home. However the way she reads it is VERY cringe. I can see how it could be interpreted another way. But yeah, it's about SA. The man is touching her trying to take something that wasn't for him that she never wanted. A lot of her poetry is about SA and women's rights.
Omg what???
From the way she performed that you'd never guess it's about SA 😳
I mean that's quite sad but why was she so passionate about it 😅
The way she performed it makes it seem like she's trying to make it sound... sexy? Just very strange.
@@natatatm exactly 🤨🤨
@@maurice8180 I love rupi and I think when I just read it without listening to her speak made it more profound to me
She sucks at interpreting but her poetry is great
@@kai-xr1hg
Hard disagree, but to each their own. I think her poetry is kind of shallow and too Tumblr-esque
as a poet, i avoid cringe by simply not reading it out loud ever 😌
[anyways that was a huge lie. i’m planning to upload short films of my poems this summer]
@@alienelenihell yeah, go for it
I think it can definitely be performed in a none cringe way. Just be normal.
im sure your writing is great!
Thank you
3:20 sounds like he was railed by 2 guys
😂
he probably was😂
"girls are as plentiful as stars in the sky, and equally out of reach for you."
Idk why i wanted to say it 💀
her poetry sounds like its just tumblr quotes
she actually has an accusation she stole it from a friend on tumblr
nayyirah weeheed is her name
I think I prefer the Tumblr quotes
most of them are!
That she stole
as someone studying poetry, most of the literary world *hates* rupi kaur shhsjs
Why so? Just curious.
@@ardenalexa94 she has problematic roots (she was accused of stealing the style of her former friend on tumblr without credit) and simplifies poetry in a way that hurts poetry since many of her readers think that poetry should be or is like rupi’s, when in actuality most poetry is much more complex and not like hers at all
@@AmandaConover who’s the former friend?
@@Player-xl5yv Nayyirah Waheed.
@@ardenalexa94 Because it's crap. Read some actual classic poetry by respected poets and you'll notice that pretty quickly. Rupi is like the fast food version of poetry.
i think the reason why she blew up is bc rupi’a poetry is accessible. easy to follow, easy to read. i think she’s a good poet that can be great. there’s a lack of substance in her poetry. she writes about heavy and important themes, but she doesn’t take it a step further. some of her poems are the start of a poem, and they don’t seem finished to me. there’s a deeper layer that she’s not really accessing. i also found it off-putting the way she read that poem in the beginning. it came off as sensual, rather than tragic and angry. i didn’t know that it was about sa, but i definitely wouldn’t have interpreted reading it that way. i would have thought the performance would have been filled with more aggression, anger, resentment, bitterness-not that.
I think her problem is just experience. Like, not as a writer, but in the topics she writes about. They lack the personal flavour that I would expect from a poet drawing from life, and I think they're often more like a poetry exercise than a fully realised poem because of that.
The ones that she was clearly drawing from experience are much better and invoke more feeling, but still feel heavily influenced by the snippets of full poems that social media spreads so easily.
She definitely has a few that hit though. The home in herself one? Doesn't need to say anything else, it hit for me.
Totally agree. V 'i'm 14 and this is deep' feeling at times
@@Jane-oz7pp i agree, there’s a disconnect in her writing. i think it would be great if she expanded more on her personal experiences rather than ones she’s not familiar with. considering that a lot of contemporary poetry is about personal experience. although, there are great stories and poems written by ppl who haven’t gone through the things they write about, and it’s very impactful. i think it’s all about approach and the way you write about topics you’re unfamiliar with. she’s got a solid foundation to work off of. it would wonderful to see her grow more as a poet.
@@felixhenson9926 for sure! i feel like there’s an inconsistency to her poetry bc of this. at least from my perspective. some of her poems try too hard.
I love how you assert that she’s a good poet than spend 10 more lines explaining why she’s an awful poet.
12:40 why does his poetry sound like a sister’s general conference talk?! 😭 Like, he wanted to sound all tough and manly but just sounds like an old Mormon lady. 💀✋
as an ex mormon, i completely agree 💀
3:38 she sounds like shes trying to be a pastor reading a scripture in church but just cringe
As someone who managed a slam poetry club around the time of her rising star Tumblr days, I have always disliked Kaur's readings (it's so cringe and obnoxious) and "poetry" style. Her simplistic, somewhat lazy work is made to be marketable. Like Mindy Kaling, she also generalizes the South Asian immigrant/female experience to the point that it does more harm than good (at least, that's what I have heard from the community).
Change of subject, the thing that makes me hate Andrew Tate the most is how he villainizes his mother (who was being abused) and idolizes his unbelievably abusive father. Even after thirty years, he still hasn't connected the dots that his father's erratic, selfish behavior plays a huge role in why he grew up poor.
Side note: It would be very iconic of you, Cooper, if you started a short story/poetry Tumblr blog for the shits and giggles.
this is all well said and i also agree with your follow-up reply
While I too often find Rupi Kaur’s poetry cringe, it’s equally cringe to deny her a place among PoC poets.
You’re relying on the narrative that merit gets you published or famous.
Hitting a chord and having the money to back it up does.
So by all means champion other young female PoC poets, but you don’t need to shit on her
Exactly I agree that it’s cringe but why mention POC it’s irrelevant. You’re basically saying she is there because she is a POC
@@leylamartinez7372, I didn't mean for it to read that way, and I have edited that part of my original comment. Thank you for pointing out how it actually reads to me.
rupi seems so sweet, but i just cant stand her delivery 😭😭
She is a plagiarist
@@iratakeuchi3031 shit, nvm then lmao
@@iratakeuchi3031 source??? ?? ?
as a literature scholar and writer, i can confidently say that rupi is not even a topic of discussion in the field. my colleague and i were joking about her and our supervisors didnt even know who she was. she appeals to a non-literary audience and produces caricatures of what she and her audience think poetry is (spoken and written). for young writers just getting into poetry, she can be a useful stepping stone, but she should remain just that in my opinion.
Thank god! Well said... i hope everybody reads your message. She can make a buck, all good about that, but a writer she is isn't... and even less a POET!!!! Lets not fool around with serious things. Art is to be respected.
@@Oriental-whispers Exactly. I love this comment.
ur more educated than me so i’m curious about your opinion: is it fair to say that certain poets should have permission to fill this niche? there’s no way to say this without sounding condescending but legitimately i think younger readers may benefit from beginner poems! (i.e. ones that are overall simple and require little experience interpreting poetry to get)
i can’t imagine trying to do real in-depth literary criticism on rupi kaur, but also i think that may be part of the point (intentional or not lmao) - doesn’t mean it’s less grating to read or hear, just curious if you think her work is a net positive or negative!
@@heavenwaits that's a great question. this is what i meant by "stepping stone" - so, though i think her work is deeply irritating, i wouldn't say it is all bad, espescially if it is getting young people into poetry. the trick would be to keep people from stagnating with this kind of writing and reading
hi! i’ve recently got interested in english poetry (and writing poems in english, it’s not my first or even second language hahah), but i don’t seem to find anything substantive and beginner-friendly on poetics. is there anything you could recommend?? and/or maybe share some of your favourite poems/poets :) ❤
8:14 hair phantom😭 scalp demon💀😭😭
I covered my mouth so FAST that’s the best balding roasts ever
i’m praying to that amen and amen
Scalp demon TOOK ME OUT MAN 😭😭😭😭
Some poets have called her out for stealing content.
💀💀
i’m a poet and i love rupi kaur’s work but damn let’s just leave it on the page 😭😭💀
RIGHT ❤
Same, she’s ruining her work by doing this
@@kai-xr1hg i just bought her book GIRLLL
@@pilloworwhat POOKIE I HAVE HER POEM ON MY WORD BOARD AND HER MILK AND HONEY BOOK
it’s good if u ignore her interpretation
@@kai-xr1hg we NEED to stop authors and writers from ruining their own careers.
like girl, either write something that speaks for itself and recite it calmly, or write something simple and recite it expressively. CHOOSE ONE RUPI KAUR, DON'T MIX 💀
The one where she went “do you guys hate that one?” Really made me feel for the audience. The way that she read the poem sounded like it was going to continue. It sounded like she hadn’t ended, and that all these people had to go off of. So then her going “oh didn’t like that one?” Must have made them feel so guilty for not realising it was over, even though it wasn’t their fault.
And I think that’s the main problem with her poetry, is how she reads it. She doesn’t emphasise the right parts, and it really impacts the overall poem when read aloud. It’s worse considering it’s not just an interpretation, but it’s how she thinks it in her head, which ruins the poetry for anyone who has listened to her read it. Poetry needs a flow, it needs to fit it’s literary patterns to its tone. The way you read it must invoke what it felt like to write it, and that is why poetry is so hard. You can’t fall back on anything, it’s all in your words and how you represent them.
That's not how I imagined her reading, for sure, a more calm and posed reading with a gentle voice would have helped her mild poems a lot more... rhythm is what her poems are based on... it makes it feel so shallow that it wasn't her actual focus... I would be interested to see her writing routine... must be... very complex huh
@@purpleway1713 I feel like her poetry lacks rhythm because there's no consistent meter, there's also not really a rhyme scheme. While I do believe that the rules in writing are meant to be broken, you need to establish an understanding of those rules before you can break them. She does not show an understanding of the concepts of meter and rhyme scheme, in my opinion.
After reading Andrew Tates recollection of childhood and his abusive dad it makes sooooo much sense now that he turned out the way he did...yikes
Strenght through hardship
@@carnetplank6259 my sibling in christ that isnt strength that is trauma
@@carnetplank6259victim
@@carnetplank6259strength is looking at what happened, feeling it, and letting it go. clearly andrew tate hasn’t done that since his trauma clearly impacts everything about his life based on the abhorrent hateful shit he says. healed people don’t abuse other people. andrew is weak. he hasn’t healed and probably never will. that’s why he’s such a dickhead. what you described is weakness. so sad for you.
@@carnetplank6259where’s the strength? I see insecurities and weakness lmao
Rupi Kaur is that girl in high school who thought she was more talented than she actually really was.
14:23 is how I felt in my intermediate poetry class I took sophomore year lmao. We had these assigned poems to read that on first read were kinda meh but on second read?! Absolutely fire.
making us suffer by repeating the “you must have known you were wrong…” thanks cooper now its all i have in my head
fr like.. take a shot everytime the 'you must have known you were wrong' repeats
i'm a poet and i'm extremely into it, and a lot of people in the poetry community (i would argue the majority) really dislike rupi kaur. i don't like her work that much but honestly it's not bad, i just think it's more "inspirational quotes" than poems most of the time and i wish it was marketed more that way
Exactly!
Why do we have to defend her? Honestly it IS bad. It's ok to say that.
her “poetry” isn’t even poetry. It’s sentences with breaks in them. She seems really sweet but I’m sorry, her work is just silly. There are some genuinely amazing poets out there, and there are ways to write that have more of an impact. The problem with Rupi is that her writing just doesn’t bring anything to the table.
Can you recommend a good poet?
@@d3v433 I recommend anything by Louise Glück!
@@d3v433 The Autobiography of Red by Anne Carson is amazing.
Some of my other favs: TS Eliot, ee cummings, Derek Walcott, YB Yeats, Arthur Rimbaud, and Charles Baudelaire, with the usual caveat that if you don't like older poetry you might not like them.
Its still poetry is it not? Its bad but still? Or is there is some method to define or calculate what a poetry is and you have to fit into that otherwise you are not a poet?
@@d3v433 Blake. Nothing beats Blake. Spending $30 dollars on 'Complete Prose and Poetry by William Blake' is the single greatest investment I have ever made. No sarcasm.
As someone who owns milk and honey and enjoyed it, I think the problem is her poetry isn’t really meant to be read aloud, especially in the way she delivers it. It’s like how spoken word is difficult to absorb when it’s just written down- but in reverse
yeah, its honestly great just hearing it out loud just... eugheughuhg
@@Alexis-go5cdI'll be honest I feel so mean when I say this but I feel like IT JUST REMINDS ME OF CRAPPY FAN FICTION 💀
It reads badly out loud BECAUSE it is badly written, there is no substance there. And she's cringe too, which doesn't help.
11:43
That “Got ‘em” will stick with me forever 😭😭😭
Your delivery is perfect
5:54 I feel so bad for Andrew Rate’s mother, that poor woman had been abused by her husband, and is being shat on about by her son.
Fr she brought u into this world she can take u out respect her more
See this is why I love you Cooper. You see things, think about them, find your interpretation, then comment on it. You’re not afraid to change your mind and you’re also not afraid of publicly voicing those thoughts. I aspire to be like you Cooper.
100%
I'm a poet, I really dislike Rupi Kaur. I think that she mostly just says too little. Her poems are all very short and most are very marketable. She has bits and pieces that feel like they could lead to something great, but she always ends the poem after giving a single nugget that could be decent. I'm not even upset about that; there are tens of millions of poets, past and present, who have been on a creative journey. I just feel that she thinks she's some great artiste when really most of her work is really lacking. And I fully support her right to share her story and speak what she has to say, I just find it sad that other female poets talking about the same thing (much more eloquently) don't get equal recognition. But she's doing well for herself and she isn't hurting anyone, so I suppose it's a little unfair to be upset. Idk man.
To me it seems like she writes instagram captions for „deep“ teenage girls. I mean, even that has it’s right to exist, but calling it poetry seems like an insult to the craft.
I am a writer and I agree. No offense to her, but her poetry has always seemed lazy and haphazard to me.
It never felt like she put in any effort to include poetic devices or actually explore complex themes.
She's not a good writer or poet in my opinion because I never really felt anything reading her work, I was never moved.
She's a brilliant person who has amassed alot of success but her writing does feel lazy and technically inept.
I can't remember a single Rupi Kaur poem I've ever read, and that's not a good thing in my opinion.
Yes its pretty unfair just let her be.
Right when she said “searching for honey” a ad for honey came on 💀
I actually bought that book years back because it was recommended to me by a friend. She has intense "not like the other girls" vibes. a lot of her poems were directed at the guys she was once with moving on to other girls and how she was clearly superior
a thing i HATE abt milk and honey is the way kaur has a couple of poems that are all bitchy at the "other woman" her ex left her for but the final chapter (? section? whatever) is all "guys we're all sisters 🥺🥺 let's not fight and pit ourselves against each other 🥰🥰 yay sisterhood!! 💞" and its like so where was that sisterhood attitude when you were calling that girl he left you for a cheaper version of yourself
it feels completely out of nowhere too like theres no poems in between those two points that really show her development from one way of thinking to another like theres one thats like "to all the women ive called beautiful before ive called you smart/brave/whatever im sorry for reducing you to your looks" but thats it and it doesn't feel like enough imo
my problem with kaur has always been her absolutely lack of caring about the dictionary. she just is barely creative at all. she has absolutely struggled but she only connects with the shallowest emotions, she’s never written an actually deep poem.
She is a good businesswoman for sure. Maybe she is too afraid to truly tap into her demons
You should read Gabbie Hannah's poetry.
that is not even poetry mf its just some words and unoriginal tweets but yeah i would love to see that
Nobody should ever read that
Yesss his reaction would be hilarious 😂
YESSS
I hope he does
Cooper pls
Rupi Kaur is proof that all you need is confidence to succeed, and not any actual understanding of the medium you’re working in.
She understands it, the medium is subjective so not everyone will love it.
@Antonella Nicolino POETRY IS ONE OF THE MOST FLUID ART FORMS BUT IF YOU BARELY UTILIZE POETIC DEVICES OR SOUNDS OR METRES THEN THAT IS NOT AN ART FORM, THAT IS JUST JOURNALLING!
@@antonellanicolino6142 Sorry for the screaming I felt like it.
Now, is it so weirdly restrictive to say a poem must fit the basic criteria of a poem in order to be a poem? Hm...
@@antonellanicolino6142 :(
Bitch is a thief and is rich now.
That's the main problem with her.
The worst thing an author of the genre can do is steal from others then never addressing that it happened.
People who see dgaf about the books.
She's hated by several writing communities. That's why she took the Tikky down after uploading. 😂
seriously i know rupi's been doing poetry readings for years but i never got the sense that she knew how to actually perform her work, like her delivery was carrying more substance than the actual words
You just described every poetry reading I've ever seen
1:31 I thought you said autistic 💀
same
People who go to poetry clubs don't even read their work like that
Rupis poetry isn’t bad because it’s bad. It’s just LAZY. She had so many three line poems that say almost nothing where I’m like…..this is like the notes app note that real poets start from. But you used a WHOLE PAGE of a book for it because you’re just concerned with creating as much content as possible
Super wasteful
"there is a difference between someone telling you they love you and them actually loving you". God, I laughed so hard at that one. What an original and subtle message, Rupi. Never would've though of writing such a thing
It’s a helpful message for 14 year olds though
@@llcdrdndgrbd As a PSA, not a poem lol
fr dropping his own poetry thinking we wouldn’t notice 2:39
15:19 her poetry isnt "bad" it's actually pretty nice, but it's more like affirmations or a way to say bad things in a brighter point of view. It's something simplistic that any average person can understand and even connect too. But the way she says it like it is some new, ground-breaking, never said before, artistic poetry that makes it cringe.
cooper looks like that one fine ass guy u see on vacation and just randomly think about him even though u never see him again
"summer lovin', had me a blast"
YOURE SO CORRECT
@@tessajohnson8351 EXACTLY THAT SONG LMAO
I see that, but somehow he also looks like a 7 year old girl. I have a cousin(not directly, related by marriage) that looks exactly like him, she has literally the same facial features, hair color, etc. And so I can't stop finding him cute as in child kinda cute.
@@ayeshahussain4440 I hope he sees this comment LMFAOO
The Tate "poetry" makes sense why he acts and has beliefs he has. That is called childhood trauma I believe. "Before the mind can create the world, the world creates our minds" said by Dr. Gabor Mate. Trauma imprints into us a worldview tipped with pain, fear and suspicion. No it makes quite sense for me why Tate is who he is.
He is most certainly obsessed with his absent father, to the point of idolatry.
yep childhood trauma cuz I relate but from an actually accurate perspective and its just seriously so sad that he never grew out of it.
Yep, he was constantly fed sexism as a kid and grew to idolize his abusive father and take on the role. It's pretty common for kids who grew up in volatile houses to either take on the role of the victim or the abuser because they believe that's how love and relationships are supposed to be.
But all the same people with childhood trauma grow up to NOT be human traffickers. Once you're an adult, like it or not, it's up to you what you do with yourself. It's sad but doesnt excuse anything he did
Gabor mate is amazing, I recognized his words immediately.
yeah the mom dad story he did was an eyeopener into why he is the way he is tbh
I think Rupi has some good and important things to say, but I also think that a lot of her writing isn't poetry. A shower thought with line breaks is an idea for a poem, not a fully fleshed out, deep, resounding poem. I just think a lot of her work kinda feels lazy in that way. (also, the fact that she'll say a completely generic sentence and act like she did something super clever is annoying) But I do see how it could resonate with some people, and that's okay
The key to poetry is to never hear it out loud lol reading it to yourself is much better and way less cringe. Some of her poetry is really beautiful.
Seeing how his parents treated him and each other, the way he turned out makes SO MUCH SENCE.
The best part about Tates poetry is that anything thats tweeted while he’s in jail, he’s not posting. He’s most likely telling someone to post that, so he told someone all of this with a straight face, and really thought he did something.
Rupi's poetry shares the exact vibes of the 'fake deep' posts on Facebook. She's saying pretty flat and unimpressive statements but acting like she just changed the human language...just like a LOT of fake deep Facebook posts about life and learning, haha
Actually, as a "poet," I cringe every time someone asks to see my writing. I cry inside every time 😟😭💀
11:28 HELP
Andrew Tate straight up trauma dumping on Twitter 😭 wtf
"Omg poetry is cringe"
"wait.. No i kinda like some poetry when you let it kinda sit in your brain a while"
".. Wait is that what poetry is?"
"wait do I like poetry??"
That's the life cycle of every new poetry fan
AT 1:23 HE SAID "and listen ik a lot of my audience is very artistic" BUT I HEARD AUTISTIC AND I HAD TO DO A DOUBLETAKE LMAOOO
love the pfp Leo 🤭
What you're noticing is that Rupi Kaur isn't a spoken-word poet, she's a poet. As a spoken word poet/spoken word artist myself, I hear the words used interchangeably but they are not. A poet is someone who can write really impactful poetry on paper (to be read, not to be performed by themself). A spoken word poet has incredible stage presence and brings an audience into a piece, instead of paper their medium is performances. You can be a poet and not be a spoken word poet, you can be a spoken word poet and not be a poet. You can also be both. The art forms are different and it's okay not to have mastered both.
except her poetry isn’t impactful at all.
@@violetic personally i do find it impactful i think poetry can be personal and i actually relate to alot of her poems
@@graceperry7144
personally i think it’s cringy and basic but whatever floats your boat
@@graceperry7144 I respect that you like it but I just can't seem to find the "poetry" in it. Its to literal. You can't interpret it
@@mariaczyrny9537 poetry doesn't have to be interpretative though
I didn’t finish the video yet so I don’t know if he mentions this, but Tate is such an alpha male he can’t use punctuation properly 💀
Now I'm mad at myself for not publishing my poetry book....it would've been a bestseller 🤦♀️
I’m in an undergrad creative writing class and I’m also taking creative writing classes at the graduate level, and in this undergrad class, there are SO MANY 20-year-olds who read their own work like they’re the next Emily Dickerson, or just how this woman reads. Their body language, the inflections in their voices…So cringe. And then the smug look on their face as we all snap after they’re done reading. Full body cringe chills. The students in the grad class are much more self aware and less full of themselves.
@itssimple9296 It honestly depends on the professor and the course (fiction, non-fiction, poetry, etc.). I have a creative writing minor right now and I’m working on my MA in creative writing, and I’ve had such a variety of workshop and workload experiences. Sometimes you’re reading for 80% of the class and only writing for 20%, and for other classes you’re reading only about 40% of the time and writing for 60%. Overall I’ve had good and bad experiences, but I love it and definitely recommend everyone takes a creative writing course at least once if it fits in their schedule!
take it! i met my best friend in a creative writing class. you’ll only grow in your writing if you stay open-minded!
that's the time and place to work through your cringe pieces and grow as a writer! not catapulting yourself into fame because of a viral instagram photo and never actually honing your craft
If I had to read my own poetry aloud in a class, I would be spending the whole time trying not to bust out laughing with embarrassment at my own work, even if I thought it was good.
Idk as someone who's been in your situation, i just feel like it's nice they're expressing themselves, i mean do you ever read your stuff? I think it's easy to forget the average person doesnt care about poetry much. In my class people barely read anything I imagine because they were afriad of being judged by people like you.
THE PAUSE TO FIND OUT IF TATE'S DAD WAS DEAD I CAN'T 💀
I died at Cooper's tweet. Like I didn't expect that 😭😭😭
I genuinely believe that the crowd DID not understand her poem was ending. She has absolutely no line delivery and that’s FINE but maybe don’t read your own poem then 😭
NOOOOOOOO EEEeeewWWWW, I had to pause at 0:57 and scream "DON'T SAY "ME"! Don't you dare say the word "me"."
She said it 😐
I think reading poetry and speaking poetry are two totally different beasts. I view poetry as art- knowing there is a lot of emotion backing its words. The issue arises when people want to publish their poetry books, because its 'easy' to write a book. Unfortunately, it is incredibly hard to write 100+ good poems that relate enough to sit together in a physical read. You wind up with lukewarm, watered down emotions that dilute the rest of the piece.
Well said
Oml I read it as "two totally different breasts" and I just- ARGHH
Idk you gotta be vulnerable and let go of your insecurities and doubts to be able to not just write but perform poetry so the fact that it matters more to her to perform for herself how she feels is right over whether it’s cringe mad respect
Poem I had to write bc School:
As the beautiful fuchsia sky slowly creeps away,
I wonder if you would ever stay,
I guess I’ll just have to wait another day,
And as the grass slowly sways,
I’ll have to say,
Goodbye
Poem my friend wrote (title by me poem by bsf inspo by sbf):
*CHEESE REVENGE*
I am grateful for cheese
It is amazing
If you eat it
You are amazing
An erotic poem (by tumblr):
Leg so hot
Hot hot leg
Leg so hot u fry an egg
How are those poems? Just cause they have line breaks don't make them poems. THOSE ARE QUOTES AND SAYINGS!
Underrated comment 😂
@@ladybird491 my teacher says they are so they are
@@ladybird491 it's just prose-like poetry
😂😂😂😂😂😂
I actually write poetry all the time but I spend forever to make them original and I wrote the following poem myself
Love and pain
They are one in the same
One may be forgotten
The other may not
You may life a lifetime
Without needing a lifeline,
But when dawn falls
And all those missed calls,
Love and pain
They are one in the same.
I hope y'all enjoy it, because I spent forever making it like no other poem I know.
Do you write songs? I bet you the rhyme scheme (in my completely amateur opinion) would sound really nice as a chorus.
"you must have known you were wronk" is all I heard
I see where Rupi is coming from. However, my issue with the way she writes is that I feel like she's writing JUST to to blow up on social media. It's very 21st century-esq poetry and it feels so performative. The most amazing poetry for me has been the poems that access raw emotions in an unfiltered, vulnerable way that sometimes leads to pages of writing. Shorter doesn't mean better 😭
Exactly... because she is not a poet nor a writer
Please rec some poems/poets, genuinely. I need to find someone good
@@arya.07Franz Kafka
@@arya.07wislawa szymborska!
Sir you made me watch that clip more times than i wanted in all my lives combined..
5:05 this explains a lot about how tate turned out 💀
Bro how many times did you have to play that being part 1:47 😫
this is TORTURE😭😭😭
I read milk and honey when I was like 13 and I really liked it (but I was 13 lol)
Easy poetry is cool but the way she reads it really ruins it 😭
2:10 omg please I'm begging you stop playing this clip I'm literally throwing up and crying this is torture
you mUSt have kNOWn you were WRONK. With your FINGers DIPped insIDE me-ah. 😫
Tate really saw his dad verbally abuse his mom, shit talked about his mom to him in private, and then his dad shaved his head as a form of revenge towards his mother, and Tate went "hell yeah dad 🤙"
I can’t say that rupi kaur’s poetry is bad because it simply is not poetry. Writing sentences and splitting them into lines doesn’t make it a poem.
7:01 this isn’t poetry this is fucked up fan fiction in allllll the worst ways possible holy shit
I know poetry is supposed to be "✨anything, and everything in between✨" but damn y'all, there's a lot more to it than just sounding pretty 😭
My mother once told me:
“Poetry is subjective to the eye of the reader. If poetry is impressively written, all people can resonate with it. If it’s not very well written then there will be not many that enjoy it. Poetry is a talent, it’s not something your naturally good at. You don’t have to be revolutionary in poetry, but you also can’t say something that has been said before. It must come from the heart, not your ass.”
God I love my mother.
I’ve since learned that first poem is abt SA and like, I get it. And it would have come across that way had I just read it myself, like that would have clicked and resonated with me, but the way she personally read it out? With the voice and hand motions, it completely *did* feel like she was trying to be almost sensual w it.
Like, it came off to me like she was saying a man couldn’t get her off as a confident sensual woman when she read it.
I wish she had just read it .. not like she did, bc I do enjoy that!
1:54 from someone who’s trying to get into acting school, poetry should be said in the most natural way. what she is doing makes it so awful and cringe. you can see the actual beauty in poetry, as well as actually understand it, only when you say it like an actual human being ffs
My 12 year old online friend bought that book when she was in her healing era and she screenshotted the pages. I was horrified.
He’s calling his mom a bitch while she literally did nothing wrong LMAO 😭