I really appreciate you trying them back to back. It seems like there are a ton of people who try one thing and squak about how "it works great for me!" but have never tried anything else.
@@JacobScherer yeah I always try to show my results. I can’t always say what will be best for everyone cause there are so many variables but I can at least show my testing lol. I appreciate ya always being here man!
Yeah I can’t say what will work best for everyone because there are so many variables so I hate to suggest too much lol. I figure I can at least show the results I personally had and verify my thinking 😆
Thanks for your opinions and trying to be as objective as you can with this test. And thanks to the other folks in the comments for their input as well. It's good to see that I'm not the only one who's tried something other than foam inserts based on someone else's suggestion and had less than stellar results. I'll be paying attention to see how others fare as well, because this is a topic that I am truly interested in. I'll use anything that I can use while still being fair to those I'm crawling with to help make my crawling more enjoyable and less frustrating.
@@mikemiller9023 I appreciate the comment. I got another set that was recommended to me on the way as well as the tuning rods for these anti foams so I’ll be doing even more testing soon!
Matt, I love your 'I'm just here to Crawl' attitude and your search for excellence. I respect your conscientious approach! I don't have the answers either but you know IRL you get that 'bounce' also. That doesn't matter in scale crawling, right? Just Results! I really like the way inserts shape tires and are easy to install, side-hilling and all that. I can vent them and still get them wet. I've only got a couple sets of Crawler Innovation foams and I don't think they're sized correctly. It's so expensive buying a bunch of things trying to get the right combination. Maybe I gave up too soon but I've got a lot of tires. I like running inserts that are 'too small' for the tire. They feel weird but really perform while still supporting the sidewalls. I want to try a hybrid, glue about 3/8" of foam on the outside of a small insert. I think that might be the ticket. I hope you find your answers! I'll be watching so I can copy them.
@@RTmadnesstoo yeah I think that could work as well. Exocaged has some made for that. Glue a foam to the outside of the print but I kinda figure if I’m trying to get a good outer foam which usually isn’t a stock foam then also buy a printed inner ring I’m just gonna be spending twice the money for almost the same result. I also don’t feel like any of the printed materials give you any sidewall bite where as the inner foam on a dual stage will give some and bite while still keeping a good sidewall on side hill lines. I ordered another set of inserts and the tuning rods for the anti foams so I’ll definitely be doing more testing soon lol
Best video I’ve seen on RUclips for a while. Great content! Give your opinion and then back it up with the video. I’ve done a lot of tyre tests (check my vids) and one thing I’ve learned is that I can’t pick what insert will work in any given tyre. I think there is so many variables with the type of rig, weight, surface type etc. I’m sure that I’ve simply fluked some, but some tyre I just can’t get to work with any insert. I usually use Fimonda or Injora silicon inserts or Injora dual stage foam. I’ve had really good results with the silicon inserts in most tyres, but not all. The popular 3D printed inserts are too expensive to ship here in Aus so I’ve only tried locally printed inserts, which were way too stiff. I actually like swapping inserts around trying them. It’s a great feeling when you find the right insert and tyre combo. Keep up the great work, loved this video!
I 100% agree with you here. I have ran just about every printed insert I could find in hopes of finding some that absolutely killed it but now am back to crawler innovations dual stages. They just straight up out perform the printed. Awesome video 👊
This is one of the things I have had the most trouble with. I have found every vehicle is a different tune depending on weight, balance, tire and wheel. I won't use any insert that doesn't stay tight on the wheel ring, no side to side slide. I like a firm sidewall support, and the outer has to be soft enough to give me a good contact patch. Truck weight is a huge variable. I hated printed inserts until just recently. They are great if they are for an exact tire and truck weight. Joe, at Exocaged, has my favorite so far with his cheat code inserts. Firm inner with a directional outside that allows you to tune the firmness by reversing the insert. They work great on the right setup. Good luck buddy!
If I was picking for a comp, I’d pick foams. But for my day to day just high performance trail and crawling I do 3d inserts because they’re so water resistant. The SL3D are the best I’ve tried so far.
Before you give up on 3d inserts try the YZZR, they are every bit as good as Dual stage foam and that’s why they are so hard to get. I’ve only got 1 set in my Tusks on my SCX PRO or I would send them, our SC river rock are very slick but real similar to those rocks you run. YZZR is a fairly local business to SC and the majority of our comp drivers use them but not as sponsored drivers. I have some video of them on my channel and so does BigHead RC. Thanks for the honest opinions 🤙
Excellent comparison! There's no arguing with the results you showed! For my mini crawlers, I prefer the Injora super soft silicone over foams, but I totally get the bounce factor you mentioned. I think the size of the trucks maybe makes a slight difference? I don't have anything over 1/14, so I have no idea about larger scale setups.
Another thing I've noticed is with printed inserts you have to use more weight in the front. And for them to work just right you have to match the weight perfectly to the insert. Foams are way more forgiving, but not water proof. Foam wraps around the smallest point. Push one finger into a Foam and the tire will wrap around your finger. Push one finger on a printed insert and tire and you'll see a scoop.. type shape. Like a bowl shape. It doesn't conform like Foam does.. In cold weather- foams are a must. I'd like to try the Halo foams cause theybare water proof.
Only reason I have silicone inserts in one of my trucks is because it’s a trail truck that does end up in water but they bounce like crazy. For comps and just rock crawling, dual stage foams all the way.
I have a set of older 3bros in Ruptures with tuning rods and an outer wrap of two layers of a hair bun and they are pretty amazing. I recently tried the knock off dual stage off Amazon (Timtins) in Ruptures and honestly they seem just as good. I need to get out and do a head to head test. $70 vs $12 lol I’m rooting for the Timtins for sure. Straight up hair buns or a dual stage inner/hair bun outer work great too. Great video, always good to see honest reviews. Btw… my 2.9 3Bros for my Scx6 are starting to crack everywhere too.
@@rcilluminati26 yeah I’m still running some hair buns in my ryft tires lol. They been working well so I left them! My buddy told me tonight we needed to get some of those Amazon specials. I bought some to try in my scx6 bouncer build cause I wasn’t really looking to crawl with it but wanted some sidewall support but they were pretty hard in the 2.9s lol. Didn’t try any others after that.
Bamf Inserts are not bad. But you gotta buy super soft and soft cause sometimes the front is to heavy for super soft. Nothing conforms like foam - hands down. I honestly think the best combo is a hybrid, a printed center thst does collapse with enough pressure and a foam outter. I made some with the Rupture stock foam as the outer and they rock. Plus you can make your outter smaller or larger.. And.. it fits a bigger selection of tire , using foam as an outer that is.. The reason I stick with Bamfs is because they are water proof. Tired of wet foams.. Printed Bamfs (soft) are nice because of the firm edge. I can do more technically lines with printed inserts. Bamf soft in the front, super soft in the back, that way your rear tires grab and push you up helping your front. Learnt alot about that combo.. Front tires that collapse very easily are a hindrance for technically driving. You can't do as many advanced moves with front inserts to soft
I was having trouble finding foams for my 1.9 boggers on my trx4's until I found some anti-foams that fit perfect. Other than that, I run foams in all my other tires
I myself who is a big time comp guy AND fun line guy. I only run 3d printed in trail trucks cause they’re waterproof. I do not like 3d printed in my comp/lcg trucks because they bounce too much. Or when they are bound up at gates they “react” and bounce back to shape so quickly they knock me off my lines or off ledges. But I do think you should also give ALT Foams a try, I like them a lot. They’re a foam that’s waterproof and good sidewalk support, interesting design. I run them in at least 2 of my comp trucks, the others are still dual stage foams.
@@speedytraxxas360 I had definitely considered the alt foams. I think I had some for my scx6 long ago but not sure where they ended up lol. Do you run super soft or what on the alt foams? I had thought about ultra super soft for the front and super soft for the rear? I usually like a bit more firm in the rear but what do you find works well? Thanks again
I prefer 3D printed, but I make them (design and print) myself, so I get them perfect for the vehicles and tires I run. I have had good results running dual stage foams or dual stage with hairbuns as well, but 3D printed wins pretty much every time. I make bespoke 3D printed inserts (BrorB RC inserts) for a lot of people that do comps, locally and in the rest of Norway, and they very much prefer my inserts to the dual stage or single stage they used to run. Like they'll be up against someone with a very similar rig, using the same tires, but with foams, and my inserts will dominate. Most of the guys I make inserts for run like Pro, P-scale and sporty rig stuff, so bit more "advanced" than your regular crawler or trail truck. Feedback from people that run my regular 3D printed dual stage, dual compound inserts in "normal" rigs, have been equally good though. :)
Joe Collins from ExocagedRC 3D prints his own inserts and has run them. They seem to run pretty good. Probably about as good as your dual stage foams. I'd say possibly his Pro Codes would be comparable to your dual stages. He uses the original foams from the tires and trims them out to fit along with his printed insert. But I also think his Chest Codes may be good too. They both seem to conform fairly well. I think you should give them a try. I'm planning on buying a set of one or the other.
Very interesting! I ran the V1 AntiFoams on my SCX6 and LOVED them. Totally transformed how it handled and turned. I've been curious about the new V2 ones for my Class 2 tires, but this looks like a mixed bag. I've also tried YZZR's and one other brand, and even the "ultra softs" aren't soft enough in my opinion. I have had great luck with SL3D inserts for my 5.25" WDW CutNShut Krawlers on my 6.5lb 4WS Capra. No tuning rods or anything, just put 'em in and go! For my 5lb Ecto and my 3lb UTB18, I've had better luck with CI foams. I haven't found too many inserts that work well for rigs 5lbs or less. FYI - I always vent my tires since there's no water where I run.
I agree 100% you don't see near the bounce out of foam but for what I get when it comes to side Hill and just like collapse but not too much I don't know it's a tough one but I don't run 10th scale either I run all small stuff
I think it depends on the tire I have a few of the cheapo injora anti-foams the super soft ones and I run them in my Gmade 1904 tires and they work pretty good the problem i had with foams is when they got wet the tires looked sucked in I used a knife to poke a hole and still had issues but the anti-foams worked ok with those tires now my Pro-lines Hell to the No 2 stage foams all the way ! so maybe the answer is they help cheap foams and tires
When it comes to printed inserts the only ones I’ll run is flub RC. Also are you venting the tire? You must vent with the printed inserts to get them to work properly. Flub RC finally offers them for big tires. I have their sets in 5 minis and and notice a huge difference. There is a balance between soft material for bite and then design and such for sidewall support.
Danngg bro! Those anti foams doo suck haha. You definitely need todo a build breakdown on this rig tho. I love it even tho I don’t own any 1/10s im still interested in it… might be the one to get me into the 1/10s
I ran 2 stage foams for years. I gave in and got some of the ExocageRc cheat codes inserts and absolutely love them. I want to get a few more sets of them.
@@Slaters_RC his look very similar to some I’ve actually printed and they were ok. Nothing like my good ol foams. I may have to try his though. I just hate throwing money away on these things at this point 😆
So far, for me, the Injora soft inserts have been just fine. But in my most capable crawler, I run an undersized medium density foam. It gives me excellent squish and mocks a real tire with about 10psi.
the OG flubs i have in my 1.0 tires are the only ones ive had good luck with. i havent tried any yet in 1.9 or 2.2s. just running dual stage in them. i am going to get some injora ones for my water/mud tires. lol
Yes, right on Matt. I’ve had the silver compound of those tires had them for years but recently I gave away one of my TRX4 Ford bronco to a great friend of mine his very first 10th scale and I let my Vanquish eight hole shooters with the KLR silver compound with the bronco but yes, I love those tires. Can’t Get the silver no more just gold or red.
Right on Matt I want the best. Also, crawler innovations is my favorite, appreciate the video Matt. This was super cool. I’ll catch you on the next one until next time. Peace and chicken grease😁👍👍👋👋😎
I have never purchased painted inserts, however I designed and printed my own for my scx6 and for the 1.0 68mm dj crawler pins. They perform really well. I've figured out myself what works for me.
@@joshfowler197 yeah the dual stage just work best for me. I’ve tried other stuff till I’m just over them lol. Wallets empty and I’m just beyond aggravated with the printed crap at this point 😆 I print my own for trialing but that’s about it.
No they was about how sticky they were you can watch the tire with the dual stage collapse and wrap versus the other one would not do that and every time you would gain traction it would start to bounce therefore losing all the traction I see this all the time I actually run undersized inserts just so they squish more
What works best for me is running the dual stage 3 brothers in the front n then running a firm ci foam in the rear. Doing that seems to get rid of a lot of that bounce. But still gives you better side hilling with having the anti-foams in the front.
@@2fmrc on my class 2 I do. I run one row of them in the middle of the foam but on my class 1 i don’t run any tuning rods. Also noticed my trucks like a stiffer spring in the rear to help with climbing.
@@scotthatfield9984 yeah I like the rear stiffer as well. And a more firm insert usually for when all the weight transfers to the back on uphill stuff.
You need tuning rods. I have 3 sets of 3 Bros (not the new V2) and they are the absolute best. My buddies and I don't comp, but we have no issues with them. I do a forward "circular saw blade" pattern and it is fantastic on my Ascent w/DSM Rock Warrior kit (light weight) and my 9lbs Sport. Just different spacing between the 2. Great and honest video! I paid full price for mine and will buy more in the future.
I’m gonna go order rods now! I hope that’s all they need. Does it help take out the bounce? These just seemed firm already so I hated to add anything to stiffen them any more.
@2fmrc Depending on how you tune, yes, you can remove all bounce. But in my experience, the best way I've found still has bounce but minimal. There are small and large I would order 2 packs of each and I'll post my pattern I've found to be best or just experiment yourself. I think you'll change your mind. 3bros needs to sponsor me 😆 Good luck brother 🙏 💪 👊
I purely comp where theirs not a lot of steep inclines but a lot of side hills so I run inserts. Every rigs is built differently and what works on some won’t work on others and I can see where foams can have an advantage. I do agree though build run and have fun. Also have u tried alt foams?
@@lewisahlwardt haven’t ran alt foams in 1.9. Thought about them but never did. I think I had some for the scx6 but can’t remember if that’s what they were or not. It was early on when the scx6 first released. Do you have experience with them?
Interesting. I only have one truck with printed inserts. A pretty light gspeed build. It bounces around a bunch. I have some fancy dual stage foams (crawler innovation maybe, I don’t remember) think I might swap them in and see. I’ve never been happy with the truck. Which sucks after dropping so much coin on the build. I have a couple others with dual stage prolines and they work better than the gspeed.
@@jasonbecker4997 I bet money you swap those to foams it’ll be better. I have a gspeed hard body that’s amazing! It’ll climb inclines that people with lexan bodies can’t climb while carrying a hard body lol. My gshot (gspeed Capra build) is also really good. They don’t have the clearance this Poizd has but still both really good trucks.
Why cant we have a hybrid setup? Im in the process of printing some printed inserts, with a foam outside. That way youll have the sidewall stability of the 3d ones but still have the squish of the foamies
Im kinda still up in the air on this. I've had great luck with both. I know what he recommends depending on weight, but I believe tuning rods are definitely needed no matter what your weight. They've been in my truck i call the Mutt since after btc24. Nothing is perfect, but in my experience with the types of rocks you're hitting, i say dualstage all day, but on my type of terrain the antifoams with tuning rods are absolutely fantastic but not perfect if that makes sense 🤷♂️. Great video, buddy 😊 👊 p.s. checkout the Mutt it slays
Stock foam < printed foam < good dual stage foam. Where the printed inserts really shine is on a trail rig that sees water, but you want to do some good rock crawling too. Iv just started printing some dual stage printed foams designd by a guy that goes by d440rc. Those are printed in a harder tpu core and a softer tpu outer. Still not as good as a good dual stage, but so far they seem pretty good. Also maybe try exocage's pro codes foams TPU core and foam outer. I think he does them for the 24s
I just put crawler innovations 1.9 duel compound soft woth comp ring front and medium with comp ring rear on my heavily modified 10 pro with green ruptures. The difference was crazy from slicone and single oem foam. I should also add at this point I think the printed and slicone inserts may work if you optimize your OD/UD to them. I feel like the OD/UD needs to be different on non foams.
I think they both have pros and cons. I designed and printed some unique inserts if you want to test them out. I sent you an email. Look forward to your reply.
@2fmrc DJ Crawler has really nice 2 stages & also prints, but again , that's further 24s. Regarding sending you some RCs, how much do you think it would cost send ,roughly 90kg, in a large rectangular box with a straw pointing outwards? Would prefer a window seat for said box :)
@@DesignedRhyme yeah I like the djcrawler foams. Wish I could get them fit for every tire lol. Not sure what it would cost but let me know and I can take care of it 🤘🏼
@2fmrc Oh, I forgot to say- if I include some RCs, the weight & size of the parcel would change. Probably 100kg. Think I'd rather the package to be in business class. More leg room for it, which is highly important for said package 😀
@@DesignedRhyme all I need to know is do you have PayPal 😆 let me know what it’s gonna cost. Love to see what ya got! If you’d wanna shoot me an email we can talk more about it?
It looks like the anti- foams are to stiff for the truck and that tire.I had the same results with those tires and the yzzr insert.Worked like crap.My other truck has 3bro in Trenchers they work well but look like a tire with 3psi on your pickup.haha
Why not silicones . I started running them in my scx24 builds and i love the side hill performance compared to prints or dual stage . I like cut regular foams people dont seem to do cut stock foams anymore . Of course i have not built a 10 scale since my axial scx10 original kit .
@@Realwademasters yeah I mention those. Same result with those as the other printed stuff. Lots of bounce! They work decent in the 1.0 tires but have more bounce there also honestly. It’s just hard to get a good dual stage for a tiny 1.0
@@damienjones7185 sorry! Hope you love them. I did order the tuning rods to see if those help mine out. I’ll be testing those and a couple other inserts soon.
I just assemble my wheels submerged in a bucket of flat Mountain Dew. It gives the tires a good bit of weight. When some leaks out they get extra sticky on the rocks. Seriously though, could you help me pick out a tire for my C10 ? I have some super scale Goodyear Wranglers on it now. They are not vented, and they don't hook up well. I was told by @VermontScaleCustoms to just vent them, which I will do. But I think I want something that will both pass itself off as a scale tire, while having more aggressive lugs. There are just too many videos to watch about tires! Your brain is full of data... please give some to me. :)
@@MysticRiverRC I knew I should’ve been saving all those half drank mountain dews my son leaves around! Haha! C10 scx24? I love the swampers for a somewhat scale look and good performance. Not the best tire I’ve ran but they work well and I just love the look of them lol. I do always vent my tires as well.
@@2fmrc cool, I'll add a vote for the Swampers to my pinned post. Here's one more. I have the scx24 JLU running Baja Pro-X tires. I love the tires, but not the wheels. Any wheel suggestions?
I have tried them on my ascent which is a HEAVY pig and had the same result really. But their setup may be totally different as well. I’m gonna try some rods in them I think. Just for science. I’m this deep in. May as well lol
@@Bonitacreekrcs I thought about it. It looks pretty cool. Just not sure there’s enough reason there for me to fund another build. It’s very similar to what my gspeed is. I’m still kind of considering it though lol
I am a team driver for 3 different Rc companies and I don’t know of any brand that gives team drivers free stuff. You also can’t compare BAMF Tire Inserts to any other printed inserts really. They’re a totally different design that performs totally differently than the other printed stuff.
@@covecityboys that’s why I didn’t mention bamf. Don’t have them. I may try them when I have some spare cash to throw at them. I have printed some very similar myself and they sucked but my print skills also suck 😆
@@2fmrc I recommend single shore unless your rig is over 7#. They are all dual stage keep that in mind. I noticed you didn’t mention BAMF I was just letting you know they’re different than all the others I’ve tried.
@@covecityboys Awesome! I’m gonna try some. I’m mostly looking to get this truck lined out atm so it should be less than 7lb. What would you go with for heavier? I have a HEAVY ascent lol
@@2fmrc I’d contact BAMF directly toy and give some build details in luring tire choice. I have a high trail that’s on Krawlers and single shores and it’s got a brass diff cover raw 500 and slate system so it’s beefy but Krawlers are one of the harder tires.
I feel like you just strait up don't have the right inserts. I have tuned all of mine and yes the odd bump is bouncy but all around I would say mine perform better than when I run dual stage foams. Also they seem to work better than everyone else with dual stage except the guy with ruptures but I'm not running rupturs and when I put my tusks on, I tent to stick with the rupture guy
@@tjpighin do you run any megas? Curious what would work in them? I’ve tried those original antis in several different tires and they just don’t work period lol. Only tried these v2s in the megas so far
@@2fmrc I have not tried those tires. I use SL3D squids and they work great in the green 2.2 lp tusks and my proline crawlers g8 with a heavier titanium tube buggy. It weighs bout 8.5 lbs so I got some stiffer inserts for the dry condition setup and I just used his stock setup with tuning rods in the second stage with my tusks for wet slippery conditions. My vrd carbon I'm probably around 4.5 lbs and I run the stock setup with tuning rods in the second stage and well broke in hyrax predators typically all the time. I do have a set of 1.9 tusks but I usually find the hyrax have been doing much better than anticipated now that they are almost warn out. Both rigs I have run with a guy that runs ruptures with hair buns and by far has the most traction out of any of us and these hyrax typically run the same tines every time. I get him on side hills and downhill turns usually. All rigs have had much time spent tuning. I also have a set of 1.9 ruptures on dual stage but only bring them out once in a while. I see a few people are experimenting with open cell soft foams on the first stage and a dished out printed insert for the second stage. I would like to try a set of these eventually as they seem to do better than dual stage on the side hill and downhill turns but you get that nice dead feel of the open cells. The rare occasion I will get some tire bounce but I find if I can slow down my wheel speed, I can't typically crawl the same line. Also in your first test it looks like your rears were biting too hard and your fronts were not soft enough in the first stage on the inserts. Idk. I'm just feeling it out as I go. Maybe you are on another level than me as well. Hard to say.
@@tjpighin oh I’m definitely on another level…. The dummy who can’t figure it out level 😆 I appreciate the info. I’m gonna try some of the tuning rods in these just to see what happens then maybe I’ll give another pair a go soon. Just tired of spending the money on them atm lol
@@2fmrc I guess I should also say the vrd carbon is pretty much all stock gearing and od. Same with weight bias about 58% to 60 forward weight bias and the buggy is probably close to the same or 57 somewhere in there with about 25% overdrive. Both are running droop shocks and the buggy has a hold down winch so it keeps a lot of that weight on the front tires. Looks like you have something similar possibly
@@2fmrc ya I get that. They are not cheap that's for sure. To me it looked like the fronts could go softer and the rears could go stiffer. Good luck haha
This is horrible news for me, I just finished buying an Injora set to try out Oh well, not the end of the world. I've seen other videos where they seemed to do ok like from ExoCaged and Crawlerr Canyon give them a thumbs up but I understand not to take their word for Gosepel and you are only reporting your experience on your rigs in your terrain so you don't have to feel like you have to defend yourself or that they are wrong you know? I might as well test my set and see what happens! Thanks for giving your opinion on these. I personally always value your insight and opinion.
@@RadRaf man for the price they are what I’d buy if going silicone/printed inserts! Hard to beat the price and they aren’t terrible on most things. Just some where you need that wheel speed. At least that’s been my experience with them. Every setup runs different so you may love them!
I really appreciate you trying them back to back. It seems like there are a ton of people who try one thing and squak about how "it works great for me!" but have never tried anything else.
@@JacobScherer yeah I always try to show my results. I can’t always say what will be best for everyone cause there are so many variables but I can at least show my testing lol. I appreciate ya always being here man!
Yeah I can’t say what will work best for everyone because there are so many variables so I hate to suggest too much lol. I figure I can at least show the results I personally had and verify my thinking 😆
Try bamf single shore. Include rig weight and pick for the correct tire, no tuning needed as they are printed for each tire. And vent the sidewall.
I always appreciate the good information you provide and your humble attitude. Thanks once again!
Thanks for your opinions and trying to be as objective as you can with this test. And thanks to the other folks in the comments for their input as well. It's good to see that I'm not the only one who's tried something other than foam inserts based on someone else's suggestion and had less than stellar results. I'll be paying attention to see how others fare as well, because this is a topic that I am truly interested in. I'll use anything that I can use while still being fair to those I'm crawling with to help make my crawling more enjoyable and less frustrating.
@@mikemiller9023 I appreciate the comment. I got another set that was recommended to me on the way as well as the tuning rods for these anti foams so I’ll be doing even more testing soon!
Matt, I love your 'I'm just here to Crawl' attitude and your search for excellence. I respect your conscientious approach!
I don't have the answers either but you know IRL you get that 'bounce' also. That doesn't matter in scale crawling, right? Just Results!
I really like the way inserts shape tires and are easy to install, side-hilling and all that. I can vent them and still get them wet.
I've only got a couple sets of Crawler Innovation foams and I don't think they're sized correctly. It's so expensive buying a bunch of things trying to get the right combination. Maybe I gave up too soon but I've got a lot of tires.
I like running inserts that are 'too small' for the tire. They feel weird but really perform while still supporting the sidewalls.
I want to try a hybrid, glue about 3/8" of foam on the outside of a small insert. I think that might be the ticket.
I hope you find your answers! I'll be watching so I can copy them.
@@RTmadnesstoo yeah I think that could work as well. Exocaged has some made for that. Glue a foam to the outside of the print but I kinda figure if I’m trying to get a good outer foam which usually isn’t a stock foam then also buy a printed inner ring I’m just gonna be spending twice the money for almost the same result. I also don’t feel like any of the printed materials give you any sidewall bite where as the inner foam on a dual stage will give some and bite while still keeping a good sidewall on side hill lines. I ordered another set of inserts and the tuning rods for the anti foams so I’ll definitely be doing more testing soon lol
Best video I’ve seen on RUclips for a while. Great content! Give your opinion and then back it up with the video. I’ve done a lot of tyre tests (check my vids) and one thing I’ve learned is that I can’t pick what insert will work in any given tyre. I think there is so many variables with the type of rig, weight, surface type etc. I’m sure that I’ve simply fluked some, but some tyre I just can’t get to work with any insert. I usually use Fimonda or Injora silicon inserts or Injora dual stage foam. I’ve had really good results with the silicon inserts in most tyres, but not all. The popular 3D printed inserts are too expensive to ship here in Aus so I’ve only tried locally printed inserts, which were way too stiff. I actually like swapping inserts around trying them. It’s a great feeling when you find the right insert and tyre combo. Keep up the great work, loved this video!
@@ValleyCrawlers really appreciate that!
I 100% agree with you here. I have ran just about every printed insert I could find in hopes of finding some that absolutely killed it but now am back to crawler innovations dual stages. They just straight up out perform the printed. Awesome video 👊
@@tbarnesout that’s been the results around here so I was very curious what others had experienced. Appreciate you sharing your results!
This is one of the things I have had the most trouble with.
I have found every vehicle is a different tune depending on weight, balance, tire and wheel. I won't use any insert that doesn't stay tight on the wheel ring, no side to side slide. I like a firm sidewall support, and the outer has to be soft enough to give me a good contact patch. Truck weight is a huge variable. I hated printed inserts until just recently. They are great if they are for an exact tire and truck weight.
Joe, at Exocaged, has my favorite so far with his cheat code inserts. Firm inner with a directional outside that allows you to tune the firmness by reversing the insert. They work great on the right setup. Good luck buddy!
I need to try those 'cheat codes'!
If I was picking for a comp, I’d pick foams. But for my day to day just high performance trail and crawling I do 3d inserts because they’re so water resistant. The SL3D are the best I’ve tried so far.
Before you give up on 3d inserts try the YZZR, they are every bit as good as Dual stage foam and that’s why they are so hard to get. I’ve only got 1 set in my Tusks on my SCX PRO or I would send them, our SC river rock are very slick but real similar to those rocks you run. YZZR is a fairly local business to SC and the majority of our comp drivers use them but not as sponsored drivers. I have some video of them on my channel and so does BigHead RC. Thanks for the honest opinions 🤙
I know crawler canyon really liked them too
Excellent comparison! There's no arguing with the results you showed! For my mini crawlers, I prefer the Injora super soft silicone over foams, but I totally get the bounce factor you mentioned. I think the size of the trucks maybe makes a slight difference? I don't have anything over 1/14, so I have no idea about larger scale setups.
Foam's for me 😊 I just trim them to fit or for more tire flex etc
@@jimbo4203 same!
Another thing I've noticed is with printed inserts you have to use more weight in the front.
And for them to work just right you have to match the weight perfectly to the insert.
Foams are way more forgiving, but not water proof.
Foam wraps around the smallest point.
Push one finger into a Foam and the tire will wrap around your finger.
Push one finger on a printed insert and tire and you'll see a scoop.. type shape.
Like a bowl shape.
It doesn't conform like Foam does..
In cold weather- foams are a must.
I'd like to try the Halo foams cause theybare water proof.
@@archerash6695 I have some halo foams in a set of my og klrs and they are amazing in those tires!
Very interesting ! This will help me to choose the tire setup of the prototype rig i'm working on.👍
Only reason I have silicone inserts in one of my trucks is because it’s a trail truck that does end up in water but they bounce like crazy. For comps and just rock crawling, dual stage foams all the way.
I have a set of older 3bros in Ruptures with tuning rods and an outer wrap of two layers of a hair bun and they are pretty amazing.
I recently tried the knock off dual stage off Amazon (Timtins) in Ruptures and honestly they seem just as good.
I need to get out and do a head to head test.
$70 vs $12 lol I’m rooting for the Timtins for sure.
Straight up hair buns or a dual stage inner/hair bun outer work great too.
Great video, always good to see honest reviews.
Btw… my 2.9 3Bros for my Scx6 are starting to crack everywhere too.
@@rcilluminati26 yeah I’m still running some hair buns in my ryft tires lol. They been working well so I left them! My buddy told me tonight we needed to get some of those Amazon specials. I bought some to try in my scx6 bouncer build cause I wasn’t really looking to crawl with it but wanted some sidewall support but they were pretty hard in the 2.9s lol. Didn’t try any others after that.
Bamf Inserts are not bad. But you gotta buy super soft and soft cause sometimes the front is to heavy for super soft.
Nothing conforms like foam - hands down.
I honestly think the best combo is a hybrid, a printed center thst does collapse with enough pressure and a foam outter.
I made some with the Rupture stock foam as the outer and they rock.
Plus you can make your outter smaller or larger..
And.. it fits a bigger selection of tire , using foam as an outer that is..
The reason I stick with Bamfs is because they are water proof.
Tired of wet foams..
Printed Bamfs (soft) are nice because of the firm edge.
I can do more technically lines with printed inserts.
Bamf soft in the front, super soft in the back, that way your rear tires grab and push you up helping your front.
Learnt alot about that combo..
Front tires that collapse very easily are a hindrance for technically driving.
You can't do as many advanced moves with front inserts to soft
I was having trouble finding foams for my 1.9 boggers on my trx4's until I found some anti-foams that fit perfect. Other than that, I run foams in all my other tires
ahhh... i needed this video!!! nice job buddy!!! 😉👍
I myself who is a big time comp guy AND fun line guy. I only run 3d printed in trail trucks cause they’re waterproof. I do not like 3d printed in my comp/lcg trucks because they bounce too much. Or when they are bound up at gates they “react” and bounce back to shape so quickly they knock me off my lines or off ledges. But I do think you should also give ALT Foams a try, I like them a lot. They’re a foam that’s waterproof and good sidewalk support, interesting design. I run them in at least 2 of my comp trucks, the others are still dual stage foams.
@@speedytraxxas360 I had definitely considered the alt foams. I think I had some for my scx6 long ago but not sure where they ended up lol. Do you run super soft or what on the alt foams? I had thought about ultra super soft for the front and super soft for the rear? I usually like a bit more firm in the rear but what do you find works well? Thanks again
What does your truck weigh? For my trucks they’re about 5.5lbs so yes I run USS fronts and SS in the rear
I prefer 3D printed, but I make them (design and print) myself, so I get them perfect for the vehicles and tires I run. I have had good results running dual stage foams or dual stage with hairbuns as well, but 3D printed wins pretty much every time.
I make bespoke 3D printed inserts (BrorB RC inserts) for a lot of people that do comps, locally and in the rest of Norway, and they very much prefer my inserts to the dual stage or single stage they used to run. Like they'll be up against someone with a very similar rig, using the same tires, but with foams, and my inserts will dominate.
Most of the guys I make inserts for run like Pro, P-scale and sporty rig stuff, so bit more "advanced" than your regular crawler or trail truck. Feedback from people that run my regular 3D printed dual stage, dual compound inserts in "normal" rigs, have been equally good though. :)
Joe Collins from ExocagedRC 3D prints his own inserts and has run them. They seem to run pretty good. Probably about as good as your dual stage foams. I'd say possibly his Pro Codes would be comparable to your dual stages. He uses the original foams from the tires and trims them out to fit along with his printed insert. But I also think his Chest Codes may be good too. They both seem to conform fairly well. I think you should give them a try. I'm planning on buying a set of one or the other.
Very interesting! I ran the V1 AntiFoams on my SCX6 and LOVED them. Totally transformed how it handled and turned. I've been curious about the new V2 ones for my Class 2 tires, but this looks like a mixed bag. I've also tried YZZR's and one other brand, and even the "ultra softs" aren't soft enough in my opinion. I have had great luck with SL3D inserts for my 5.25" WDW CutNShut Krawlers on my 6.5lb 4WS Capra. No tuning rods or anything, just put 'em in and go! For my 5lb Ecto and my 3lb UTB18, I've had better luck with CI foams. I haven't found too many inserts that work well for rigs 5lbs or less. FYI - I always vent my tires since there's no water where I run.
You should check out exocaged rc munchkin 1.0 interests. Allows you to run foams but still gives printed insert support for the outside sidewall
I agree 100% you don't see near the bounce out of foam but for what I get when it comes to side Hill and just like collapse but not too much I don't know it's a tough one but I don't run 10th scale either I run all small stuff
Awesome Matt I want to see this, yeah crawler innovations are one of the best. I have been liking the flubber stuffers
I think it depends on the tire I have a few of the cheapo injora anti-foams the super soft ones and I run them in my Gmade 1904 tires and they work pretty good the problem i had with foams is when they got wet the tires looked sucked in I used a knife to poke a hole and still had issues but the anti-foams worked ok with those tires now my Pro-lines Hell to the No 2 stage foams all the way ! so maybe the answer is they help cheap foams and tires
When it comes to printed inserts the only ones I’ll run is flub RC. Also are you venting the tire? You must vent with the printed inserts to get them to work properly. Flub RC finally offers them for big tires. I have their sets in 5 minis and and notice a huge difference. There is a balance between soft material for bite and then design and such for sidewall support.
@@DadsRCGaragePNW yeah I always vent. Can’t stand to not lol. I’ve ran the flubs. Still use them a lot in the 1.0s for sure!
@@2fmrc give them a shot for the bigger rigs. Might get better performance than the others.
@@DadsRCGaragePNW yeah I ran some of the larger ones. Basically the same result I got here but a little softer overall. Just a lot of bounce
Danngg bro! Those anti foams doo suck haha.
You definitely need todo a build breakdown on this rig tho.
I love it even tho I don’t own any 1/10s im still interested in it… might be the one to get me into the 1/10s
I ran 2 stage foams for years. I gave in and got some of the ExocageRc cheat codes inserts and absolutely love them. I want to get a few more sets of them.
@@Slaters_RC his look very similar to some I’ve actually printed and they were ok. Nothing like my good ol foams. I may have to try his though. I just hate throwing money away on these things at this point 😆
So far, for me, the Injora soft inserts have been just fine. But in my most capable crawler, I run an undersized medium density foam. It gives me excellent squish and mocks a real tire with about 10psi.
Ive always wondered about 3d inserts.No particular brand.Ill stick to I know what works.Dual stage foams.
the OG flubs i have in my 1.0 tires are the only ones ive had good luck with. i havent tried any yet in 1.9 or 2.2s. just running dual stage in them. i am going to get some injora ones for my water/mud tires. lol
Yes, right on Matt. I’ve had the silver compound of those tires had them for years but recently I gave away one of my TRX4 Ford bronco to a great friend of mine his very first 10th scale and I let my Vanquish eight hole shooters with the KLR silver compound with the bronco but yes, I love those tires. Can’t Get the silver no more just gold or red.
Right on Matt I want the best. Also, crawler innovations is my favorite, appreciate the video Matt. This was super cool. I’ll catch you on the next one until next time. Peace and chicken grease😁👍👍👋👋😎
I have never purchased painted inserts, however I designed and printed my own for my scx6 and for the 1.0 68mm dj crawler pins. They perform really well. I've figured out myself what works for me.
@@joshfowler197 yeah the dual stage just work best for me. I’ve tried other stuff till I’m just over them lol. Wallets empty and I’m just beyond aggravated with the printed crap at this point 😆 I print my own for trialing but that’s about it.
Running OGRC dual stage foams they are amazing compared to foams.
No they was about how sticky they were you can watch the tire with the dual stage collapse and wrap versus the other one would not do that and every time you would gain traction it would start to bounce therefore losing all the traction I see this all the time I actually run undersized inserts just so they squish more
My Anti Foams didn’t impress me. Tried some BAMF and they work well, but they do have some bounce. In my opinion, I really like SL3D Squid Inserts.
What works best for me is running the dual stage 3 brothers in the front n then running a firm ci foam in the rear. Doing that seems to get rid of a lot of that bounce. But still gives you better side hilling with having the anti-foams in the front.
@@scotthatfield9984 I could definitely see that working better. Do you run the tuning rods? I just ordered some to try out.
@@2fmrc on my class 2 I do. I run one row of them in the middle of the foam but on my class 1 i don’t run any tuning rods. Also noticed my trucks like a stiffer spring in the rear to help with climbing.
@@scotthatfield9984 yeah I like the rear stiffer as well. And a more firm insert usually for when all the weight transfers to the back on uphill stuff.
You need tuning rods. I have 3 sets of 3 Bros (not the new V2) and they are the absolute best. My buddies and I don't comp, but we have no issues with them. I do a forward "circular saw blade" pattern and it is fantastic on my Ascent w/DSM Rock Warrior kit (light weight) and my 9lbs Sport. Just different spacing between the 2. Great and honest video! I paid full price for mine and will buy more in the future.
I’m gonna go order rods now! I hope that’s all they need. Does it help take out the bounce? These just seemed firm already so I hated to add anything to stiffen them any more.
@2fmrc Depending on how you tune, yes, you can remove all bounce. But in my experience, the best way I've found still has bounce but minimal. There are small and large I would order 2 packs of each and I'll post my pattern I've found to be best or just experiment yourself. I think you'll change your mind. 3bros needs to sponsor me 😆 Good luck brother 🙏 💪 👊
@@letsgetitrc yeah I ordered 3 sets of each just to make sure I have plenty lol. Gonna retry them soon hopefully!
I purely comp where theirs not a lot of steep inclines but a lot of side hills so I run inserts. Every rigs is built differently and what works on some won’t work on others and I can see where foams can have an advantage. I do agree though build run and have fun. Also have u tried alt foams?
@@lewisahlwardt haven’t ran alt foams in 1.9. Thought about them but never did. I think I had some for the scx6 but can’t remember if that’s what they were or not. It was early on when the scx6 first released. Do you have experience with them?
Interesting. I only have one truck with printed inserts. A pretty light gspeed build. It bounces around a bunch.
I have some fancy dual stage foams (crawler innovation maybe, I don’t remember) think I might swap them in and see. I’ve never been happy with the truck. Which sucks after dropping so much coin on the build.
I have a couple others with dual stage prolines and they work better than the gspeed.
@@jasonbecker4997 I bet money you swap those to foams it’ll be better. I have a gspeed hard body that’s amazing! It’ll climb inclines that people with lexan bodies can’t climb while carrying a hard body lol. My gshot (gspeed Capra build) is also really good. They don’t have the clearance this Poizd has but still both really good trucks.
Why cant we have a hybrid setup? Im in the process of printing some printed inserts, with a foam outside. That way youll have the sidewall stability of the 3d ones but still have the squish of the foamies
Im kinda still up in the air on this. I've had great luck with both. I know what he recommends depending on weight, but I believe tuning rods are definitely needed no matter what your weight. They've been in my truck i call the Mutt since after btc24. Nothing is perfect, but in my experience with the types of rocks you're hitting, i say dualstage all day, but on my type of terrain the antifoams with tuning rods are absolutely fantastic but not perfect if that makes sense 🤷♂️. Great video, buddy 😊 👊 p.s. checkout the Mutt it slays
Stock foam < printed foam < good dual stage foam.
Where the printed inserts really shine is on a trail rig that sees water, but you want to do some good rock crawling too.
Iv just started printing some dual stage printed foams designd by a guy that goes by d440rc. Those are printed in a harder tpu core and a softer tpu outer. Still not as good as a good dual stage, but so far they seem pretty good.
Also maybe try exocage's pro codes foams TPU core and foam outer. I think he does them for the 24s
Also you addressed some of what I said later in the video.
CI Dual stages hands down around here. Printed ones be bouncing like crazy
Glad I’m not the only one! Where you running?
@@2fmrc Central NC mostly. Some in Tenn and VA when possible
@@blazinghillie nice!
I just put crawler innovations 1.9 duel compound soft woth comp ring front and medium with comp ring rear on my heavily modified 10 pro with green ruptures. The difference was crazy from slicone and single oem foam.
I should also add at this point I think the printed and slicone inserts may work if you optimize your OD/UD to them. I feel like the OD/UD needs to be different on non foams.
@@chrism5768 yeah they just work so well!
I think they both have pros and cons. I designed and printed some unique inserts if you want to test them out. I sent you an email. Look forward to your reply.
I wish this place was my testing grounds😁👍👍
@@andyrichey1192 yeah it’s an amazing spot for sure! About 20-25 mins from my house but close enough I can make a good day out of it at any point lol
The antifoams are, among other things, giving you much less contact area, and "react" too quickly.
I do 3D inserts on the front & dual foam outta foams on the rear, but that's on the 24s. I have no idea about heavier, bigger rigs
@@DesignedRhyme I do that a lot in the 1/24s also. Less bounce with a foam rear
@2fmrc DJ Crawler has really nice 2 stages & also prints, but again , that's further 24s.
Regarding sending you some RCs, how much do you think it would cost send ,roughly 90kg, in a large rectangular box with a straw pointing outwards? Would prefer a window seat for said box :)
@@DesignedRhyme yeah I like the djcrawler foams. Wish I could get them fit for every tire lol. Not sure what it would cost but let me know and I can take care of it 🤘🏼
@2fmrc Oh, I forgot to say- if I include some RCs, the weight & size of the parcel would change. Probably 100kg. Think I'd rather the package to be in business class. More leg room for it, which is highly important for said package 😀
@@DesignedRhyme all I need to know is do you have PayPal 😆 let me know what it’s gonna cost. Love to see what ya got! If you’d wanna shoot me an email we can talk more about it?
Ya I’ll stick with my foams😂😂😂
It looks like the anti- foams are to stiff for the truck and that tire.I had the same results with those tires and the yzzr insert.Worked like crap.My other truck has 3bro in Trenchers they work well but look like a tire with 3psi on your pickup.haha
Why not silicones . I started running them in my scx24 builds and i love the side hill performance compared to prints or dual stage . I like cut regular foams people dont seem to do cut stock foams anymore . Of course i have not built a 10 scale since my axial scx10 original kit .
@@Realwademasters yeah I mention those. Same result with those as the other printed stuff. Lots of bounce! They work decent in the 1.0 tires but have more bounce there also honestly. It’s just hard to get a good dual stage for a tiny 1.0
Little bit of a bugger we looking for this video about a week ago before order antifoams we will run them and see
@@damienjones7185 sorry! Hope you love them. I did order the tuning rods to see if those help mine out. I’ll be testing those and a couple other inserts soon.
@2fmrc all good I'm still half new so testing and finding out what work well and what is bs. Iike you said it might work on 1 but not another
I just assemble my wheels submerged in a bucket of flat Mountain Dew. It gives the tires a good bit of weight. When some leaks out they get extra sticky on the rocks.
Seriously though, could you help me pick out a tire for my C10 ? I have some super scale Goodyear Wranglers on it now. They are not vented, and they don't hook up well. I was told by @VermontScaleCustoms to just vent them, which I will do. But I think I want something that will both pass itself off as a scale tire, while having more aggressive lugs. There are just too many videos to watch about tires! Your brain is full of data... please give some to me. :)
@@MysticRiverRC I knew I should’ve been saving all those half drank mountain dews my son leaves around! Haha! C10 scx24? I love the swampers for a somewhat scale look and good performance. Not the best tire I’ve ran but they work well and I just love the look of them lol. I do always vent my tires as well.
@@2fmrc cool, I'll add a vote for the Swampers to my pinned post. Here's one more. I have the scx24 JLU running Baja Pro-X tires. I love the tires, but not the wheels. Any wheel suggestions?
How can I get in contact with you? I'd like some constructive input on my insert design if you're interested in giving them a try!
@@RiceCrisp320 shoot me an email at 2fastmattracing@gmail.com if ya want!
I think a lot of people who run anti foams and like them are running much heavier rigs.
I have tried them on my ascent which is a HEAVY pig and had the same result really. But their setup may be totally different as well. I’m gonna try some rods in them I think. Just for science. I’m this deep in. May as well lol
Are you going to build a truck on the new meus gold flake chassis?
@@Bonitacreekrcs I thought about it. It looks pretty cool. Just not sure there’s enough reason there for me to fund another build. It’s very similar to what my gspeed is. I’m still kind of considering it though lol
I am a team driver for 3 different Rc companies and I don’t know of any brand that gives team drivers free stuff. You also can’t compare BAMF Tire Inserts to any other printed inserts really. They’re a totally different design that performs totally differently than the other printed stuff.
@@covecityboys that’s why I didn’t mention bamf. Don’t have them. I may try them when I have some spare cash to throw at them. I have printed some very similar myself and they sucked but my print skills also suck 😆
@@covecityboys do you recommend the single shore dual stage for the megas? Someone else mentioned those. I’m ordering tonight if so.
@@2fmrc I recommend single shore unless your rig is over 7#. They are all dual stage keep that in mind. I noticed you didn’t mention BAMF I was just letting you know they’re different than all the others I’ve tried.
@@covecityboys Awesome! I’m gonna try some. I’m mostly looking to get this truck lined out atm so it should be less than 7lb. What would you go with for heavier? I have a HEAVY ascent lol
@@2fmrc I’d contact BAMF directly toy and give some build details in luring tire choice. I have a high trail that’s on Krawlers and single shores and it’s got a brass diff cover raw 500 and slate system so it’s beefy but Krawlers are one of the harder tires.
I feel like you just strait up don't have the right inserts. I have tuned all of mine and yes the odd bump is bouncy but all around I would say mine perform better than when I run dual stage foams. Also they seem to work better than everyone else with dual stage except the guy with ruptures but I'm not running rupturs and when I put my tusks on, I tent to stick with the rupture guy
@@tjpighin do you run any megas? Curious what would work in them? I’ve tried those original antis in several different tires and they just don’t work period lol. Only tried these v2s in the megas so far
@@2fmrc I have not tried those tires. I use SL3D squids and they work great in the green 2.2 lp tusks and my proline crawlers g8 with a heavier titanium tube buggy. It weighs bout 8.5 lbs so I got some stiffer inserts for the dry condition setup and I just used his stock setup with tuning rods in the second stage with my tusks for wet slippery conditions. My vrd carbon I'm probably around 4.5 lbs and I run the stock setup with tuning rods in the second stage and well broke in hyrax predators typically all the time. I do have a set of 1.9 tusks but I usually find the hyrax have been doing much better than anticipated now that they are almost warn out. Both rigs I have run with a guy that runs ruptures with hair buns and by far has the most traction out of any of us and these hyrax typically run the same tines every time. I get him on side hills and downhill turns usually. All rigs have had much time spent tuning. I also have a set of 1.9 ruptures on dual stage but only bring them out once in a while. I see a few people are experimenting with open cell soft foams on the first stage and a dished out printed insert for the second stage. I would like to try a set of these eventually as they seem to do better than dual stage on the side hill and downhill turns but you get that nice dead feel of the open cells. The rare occasion I will get some tire bounce but I find if I can slow down my wheel speed, I can't typically crawl the same line. Also in your first test it looks like your rears were biting too hard and your fronts were not soft enough in the first stage on the inserts. Idk. I'm just feeling it out as I go. Maybe you are on another level than me as well. Hard to say.
@@tjpighin oh I’m definitely on another level…. The dummy who can’t figure it out level 😆 I appreciate the info. I’m gonna try some of the tuning rods in these just to see what happens then maybe I’ll give another pair a go soon. Just tired of spending the money on them atm lol
@@2fmrc I guess I should also say the vrd carbon is pretty much all stock gearing and od. Same with weight bias about 58% to 60 forward weight bias and the buggy is probably close to the same or 57 somewhere in there with about 25% overdrive. Both are running droop shocks and the buggy has a hold down winch so it keeps a lot of that weight on the front tires. Looks like you have something similar possibly
@@2fmrc ya I get that. They are not cheap that's for sure. To me it looked like the fronts could go softer and the rears could go stiffer. Good luck haha
This is horrible news for me, I just finished buying an Injora set to try out Oh well, not the end of the world. I've seen other videos where they seemed to do ok like from ExoCaged and Crawlerr Canyon give them a thumbs up but I understand not to take their word for Gosepel and you are only reporting your experience on your rigs in your terrain so you don't have to feel like you have to defend yourself or that they are wrong you know? I might as well test my set and see what happens! Thanks for giving your opinion on these. I personally always value your insight and opinion.
@@RadRaf man for the price they are what I’d buy if going silicone/printed inserts! Hard to beat the price and they aren’t terrible on most things. Just some where you need that wheel speed. At least that’s been my experience with them. Every setup runs different so you may love them!