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Kind sir, thank you. I was just wondering if you could just plug a NG hose onto a duel fuel generator. Would you HAPPEN to have a list (partial or complete) of duel fuel generators that don't have the regulator INSIDE the hose connection like you showed? ie the eaay connection you showed using the natural gas???
I don’t have a list because even old models change. You would have to see what brand and size you would like and then look at the hose. That is the easy way to tell. Most smaller units will have it outside on the hose since not a lot of room in the smaller generators.
I've got a Genmax 7250 dual fuel. I connected to my natural gas with generator set on the propane setting. It worked with no issues. I made no modifications to the generator.
1400 sq home, all lights, ceiling fans, fridge, deep freezer, tv, electronics, garage door, 12,000 BTU indoor a/c with window vent. NOT connected was the main house a/c, electric range, water heater and clothes dryer.
What is the maximum power that you can get with this generator on NG? I have the same generator and same basic setup here, but mine shuts down above about 1200W. In my testing, I was hooked up to my NG line that normally connects to my gas grille, and it's about 50-60 ft. from the meter. I can add a takeoff point about 20 ft. closer to the generator, or worst case run a new line. I just want to make sure that the generator will put out decent power on NG... I'm hoping for something like 2400-2500W.
Hey Todd, Thanks. Unfortunately for the Dual fuel Smart gen they use a proprietary connector that is not easily found. And the internal load regulator would have to be bypassed. Which again voids warranty when ever you like to dig inside stuff 😂👍🏼
Johnny, I think you might want to revisit this topic. I just called Century to figure out how to get a Champion dual-fuel generator running off NG, and they said an an air box snorkel is necessary. This is despite Champion generators using external demand regulators on the hose running from tank to the front panel gas inlet. They explained that the propane feed inlets are "too restrictive" to allow for these generators to run at full load with NG, even if you use a different hose with a demand regulator tuned for NG pressures.
@@johnnysweekendsit would be great if you can revisit this with higher capacity inverter generators too. Those of us in places like Houston have already bought what was available in the Hurricane season, and it’s difficult to procure fuel, even propane for an outage that lasts 7 days.
I am in the Houston area and suffered a five-day power outage, but I was able to use a dual-fuel generator while waiting for power to come back. I just received a regulator from Nashfuel and was planning on mounting it before the propane/gas switch. Are you guys saying here that this won't work and that the switch is too restrictive for natural gas?
@@redb2153 yes, that’s my feeling. I opened the panel and looked at the propane pipeline going to the carburettor from the inlet, it’s 1/4 inch. I feel it’s too narrow to support any decent load on Natural Gas, but I’d love to be proven wrong
i think you could do a T fitting on the existing propane hose that goes to the carburetor, drill a hole on the side of the generator, run a hose from the T through the hole that goes to a valve, on the other side of the valve you run a piece of hose to a natural gas regulator if you want to use propane, connect propane and turn off the valve if you want to use natural gas turn on the valve
Hi, very informative, thank you. I've had a NG feed with external regulator/conversion kit for a loud (76db) Briggs 5500 for years (works great), but have a new Pulsar 7250 coming today (62db), dual fuel. Do you know if this will work with just an external regulator/conversion kit or does it have the internal regulator that would need to be bypassed? tyia.
Newbie here so I really appreciate all your info. But a bit confused. I want a small generator (1 KW) that will run on natural gas (for power outages at home). Would also be nice to run on propane (to use away from home). Have no interest in running on gasoline. All the only natural gas ones are huge. So thought of getting dual fuel. But are you saying if I want to run natural gas, it's better to start with a gasoline only generator? Thanks.
You should take a look at the alp generator amzn.to/3N5nbHT It’s propane only, can run a very long time on a 20lb bottle and would be perfect for charging thins and more. Simple, small and getting decent reviews..👍🏼
Thanks, I am considering it as it's nice to not have to store a bunch of propane or worry about running out. Can you post the link to that gas detector pen please?
I just found your videos yesterday - appreciate the information. Have you ever looked at the Firman WH03242? The LPG hose included with the generator looks like it has both regulators on the hose. Thanks. P.S. newly subscribed - thanks again for the helpful information.
I’m not a big fan of firman but the big selling point is that it’s sold at Costco and they pretty much take dead chickens back so it’s a great selling point. If the both regulators is on the outside than adding a kit like this for a tri fuel setup should be easy. Thanks for stopping by and joining the group 😀👍🏼👊🏼
Just got the Pulsar mentioned below. It does have the internal load regulator you mentioned that keeps it from running ng. To bypass, can I simply couple the input and output hoses and rely on an external ng regulator?
So you could remove it entirely and use the kit. Or I would add a T after the regulator with a on off valve. I dont think it would back flow into the onboard regulator as once the gen starts running its pulling from the external.
@@johnnysweekends Thanks for the comment: even better I'm going to try a 3-way valve so either the propane channel or the NG channel will feed the carb; no chance of back flowing from either. Your video was extremely informative; thanks again.
Johnny, just wanted to let you know you can easily hook up a gen with internal Built in load regulator. You only have to buy a propane to natural gas conversion hose. It’s actually easier and cheaper than the one with external load regulators.
I do t know if the internal regulator will operate correctly on the lower pressure from NG. A hose is one thing but correct pressure delivery is another. Did you try it with a couple models or anything ? Would be nice to just grab a hose.
@@johnnysweekends i have done it with both my pulsar gd400bn and wen dual fuel 4500 watt version. I actually needed to add a regulator as the NG supply pressure was too high.
Lemfema 10 Feet Natural Gas Hose Conversion Kit for Grill, Low Pressure Natural Gas Grill Hose with 5" Outlet Pressure Regulator Valve and 1/2" Male NPT x 3/8" Female Flare. This is what i used
Will this natural gas kit work on GENMAX GM4600IAEDC ? What I’m looking for: is to have a lighter inverter generator below 70 lbs that is tri-fuel. Thank you
I get that the first regulator that's always found on the propane line for dual fuel generators is to regulate pressure to similar levels similar to those provided by the regulator on my natural gas meter. My question is, if the Century demand/secondary regulator works for propane, why wouldn't it work for natural gas also? The only thing that seems to be missing is possibly some kind of adjustment for the amount of fuel that's allowed through.
I’m talking about the generators that have a demand regulator built-in like the ones you claim you would have to bypass. Why do you need to buy another regular so you can bypass the built-in one?
Example, WEN DF875iX. It comes with a pressure regulator on the hose like normal and then behind the propane inlet there is a demand regulator. Is there a reason someone with this generator couldn’t just run a gas hose to the propane inlet and run with it?
The internal demand regulator is set to run on the pressure and Btu ratings of LPG not NG. So the on board will probably run to lean for NG as you need more NG since its way less efficient. I have tried a couple with my units but they just wont run correctly.
It looks like that is the GM7250iEDC that has internal load regulator and won’t work without bypass correct? Do you happen to know whether GM6000iED requires bypass as well?
Yes the 6000 is the same. You can make it work but your using the external type for both NG and LPG and bypassing the internal. So it would void warranty so maybe after it expires..🤷🏼♂️
That’s why you need a battery on dual fuel generator, the solenoid needs power to switch from one fuel to another. They should have a manual backup switch because almost every generator has a dead battery.
These new units if you watch my dead battery video, I was able to start several of the Genmax units with a dead. And yes the solenoid need to open or close for either propane or gasoline
I used to jumpstart these off of trailer batteries when i was an equipment technician. worked like a champ. portable jumpstart packs didn't work all the time since they require a minimum voltage and proper polarity for safety purposes.
I don’t know for sure but I’m pretty sure the load regulator is inside and would need to be by passed. They have a new tri fuel coming.. But you could make it work but that’s up to you.
Pretty sure the regulator is internal so it would need bypass which you could add a splitter after it for a second feed. But would still need a outside regulator
I was wondering if you could share the link with me for the natural gas conversion kit you used on the genmax 3500iad? I have that same generator and would like to do the conversion like you did in the video. Thank you
They don’t actually make one for it. It’s a universal kit and you would have to build it a little. It’s just brass fittings and a hose. Some of the parts are listed in description
Do you know if this kit would work with the new genmax gm7500iaed 312cc model that just came out recently? I noticed on this model the propane connection is on the side like the smaller inverters compared to the 7250 where the propane connection is in the front.
@@johnnysweekends Thank you! In tri-fuel generators or even in that regulator. Will the flow of natrual gas stop if the generator is shut off? Just as a saftey feature if you don't notice the generator stopped running natural gas wouldn't be flowing all over the floor.
Yea both the tri fuel units or dual fuel and the after market load regulator will shut off if the generator does. Although NG is lighter than air so it does dissipate quicker. But leaks can still be dangerous
Looking for the Genmax 7250 that can do Natural Gas. Is there a new model coming out that can do Natural gas as well? If not, do you know which regulator needed for the 7250? Thanks! @@johnnysweekends
@scramick I’m headed to the NHS show in Vegas next week!! There will be tons of new stuff from several manufacturers including GenMax so stay tuned for the video…😀👍🏼
That sounds dangerous. I might only being ignorant, but when you use two fuel types on the same machine, differences of pressure, volatility and others must be carefully considered.
These engines are nothing more then lawn mower engines and many can be converted to LPG and NG. As long as the correct regulator and load regulator or on demand type is used then it’s perfectly safe for you and the engine. This is not new and has been going on for for 20 years+
Yes they do now! I was the first to report on this and they have two models along with making some for pulsar. Genmax has several new models coming including a 120/240 volt small gen. So you can combine into parallel or series along with the new fuel injection model ..😀👍🏼
Mr. Brown I have been talking with my contact and I think mid summer is when we should see most so then I assume another month or so till Canada gets them. It seems it’s always a couple months or less before you do. But the bigger V twin 12000k unit is a end of the year release from what I’m hearing.
What do you think ? Does this help answer some questions?? Let me know.
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Kind sir, thank you. I was just wondering if you could just plug a NG hose onto a duel fuel generator. Would you HAPPEN to have a list (partial or complete) of duel fuel generators that don't have the regulator INSIDE the hose connection like you showed? ie the eaay connection you showed using the natural gas???
I don’t have a list because even old models change. You would have to see what brand and size you would like and then look at the hose. That is the easy way to tell. Most smaller units will have it outside on the hose since not a lot of room in the smaller generators.
@@johnnysweekends appreciate it, thank u
Much appreciated, yes this helps.
I've got a Genmax 7250 dual fuel. I connected to my natural gas with generator set on the propane setting. It worked with no issues. I made no modifications to the generator.
Interesting… I’ll have to retry. What’s loads are you able to run?
1400 sq home, all lights, ceiling fans, fridge, deep freezer, tv, electronics, garage door, 12,000 BTU indoor a/c with window vent. NOT connected was the main house a/c, electric range, water heater and clothes dryer.
What is the maximum power that you can get with this generator on NG? I have the same generator and same basic setup here, but mine shuts down above about 1200W. In my testing, I was hooked up to my NG line that normally connects to my gas grille, and it's about 50-60 ft. from the meter. I can add a takeoff point about 20 ft. closer to the generator, or worst case run a new line. I just want to make sure that the generator will put out decent power on NG... I'm hoping for something like 2400-2500W.
Did you ever figure out the peak & running watts for your generator on natural gas?
Thanks
Cool video Johnny, I didn't know you could do this! Do you think that would work with the Ecoflow dual fuel generator?
Hey Todd, Thanks. Unfortunately for the Dual fuel Smart gen they use a proprietary connector that is not easily found. And the internal load regulator would have to be bypassed. Which again voids warranty when ever you like to dig inside stuff 😂👍🏼
Johnny, I think you might want to revisit this topic. I just called Century to figure out how to get a Champion dual-fuel generator running off NG, and they said an an air box snorkel is necessary. This is despite Champion generators using external demand regulators on the hose running from tank to the front panel gas inlet. They explained that the propane feed inlets are "too restrictive" to allow for these generators to run at full load with NG, even if you use a different hose with a demand regulator tuned for NG pressures.
True, plus hose length will matter as well.
@@johnnysweekends I got the same response from Century and Nashfuel.
@@johnnysweekendsit would be great if you can revisit this with higher capacity inverter generators too. Those of us in places like Houston have already bought what was available in the Hurricane season, and it’s difficult to procure fuel, even propane for an outage that lasts 7 days.
I am in the Houston area and suffered a five-day power outage, but I was able to use a dual-fuel generator while waiting for power to come back. I just received a regulator from Nashfuel and was planning on mounting it before the propane/gas switch. Are you guys saying here that this won't work and that the switch is too restrictive for natural gas?
@@redb2153 yes, that’s my feeling. I opened the panel and looked at the propane pipeline going to the carburettor from the inlet, it’s 1/4 inch. I feel it’s too narrow to support any decent load on Natural Gas, but I’d love to be proven wrong
i think you could do a T fitting on the existing propane hose that goes to the carburetor, drill a hole on the side of the generator, run a hose from the T through the hole that goes to a valve, on the other side of the valve you run a piece of hose to a natural gas regulator
if you want to use propane, connect propane and turn off the valve
if you want to use natural gas turn on the valve
Hi, very informative, thank you. I've had a NG feed with external regulator/conversion kit for a loud (76db) Briggs 5500 for years (works great), but have a new Pulsar 7250 coming today (62db), dual fuel. Do you know if this will work with just an external regulator/conversion kit or does it have the internal regulator that would need to be bypassed? tyia.
Has internal regulator. Needs to be bypassed
My brother does this with his generator super easy to set up and if for any reason the generator turns off he just goes and shuts off valve.
Newbie here so I really appreciate all your info. But a bit confused. I want a small generator (1 KW) that will run on natural gas (for power outages at home). Would also be nice to run on propane (to use away from home). Have no interest in running on gasoline. All the only natural gas ones are huge. So thought of getting dual fuel. But are you saying if I want to run natural gas, it's better to start with a gasoline only generator? Thanks.
You should take a look at the alp generator amzn.to/3N5nbHT
It’s propane only, can run a very long time on a 20lb bottle and would be perfect for charging thins and more. Simple, small and getting decent reviews..👍🏼
@@johnnysweekendsbummer, it's gone
Very helpful. Thanks.
Thanks, I am considering it as it's nice to not have to store a bunch of propane or worry about running out.
Can you post the link to that gas detector pen please?
I think the link is added in the description but ill double check and add
Here ya go…amzn.to/3Ylbz72
Thanks for this video. It is very informative.
😀👍🏼
I just found your videos yesterday - appreciate the information. Have you ever looked at the Firman WH03242? The LPG hose included with the generator looks like it has both regulators on the hose. Thanks.
P.S. newly subscribed - thanks again for the helpful information.
I’m not a big fan of firman but the big selling point is that it’s sold at Costco and they pretty much take dead chickens back so it’s a great selling point.
If the both regulators is on the outside than adding a kit like this for a tri fuel setup should be easy.
Thanks for stopping by and joining the group 😀👍🏼👊🏼
Hi. Would you know if genmax 7250 can be fitted to run on natural gas? Thanks. I dont have one to check nor know anyone that owns one
Unless you by pass the internal load regulator then it can not be ran on NG.
Genmax has a new Tri fuel 9000 coming out soon..👍🏼
Hello Jason, I am looking at the Firman WH03242 as well to use with my BBQ natural gas outlet. Did you end up trying with a kit like this?
Just got the Pulsar mentioned below. It does have the internal load regulator you mentioned that keeps it from running ng. To bypass, can I simply couple the input and output hoses and rely on an external ng regulator?
So you could remove it entirely and use the kit. Or I would add a T after the regulator with a on off valve. I dont think it would back flow into the onboard regulator as once the gen starts running its pulling from the external.
@@johnnysweekends Thanks for the comment: even better I'm going to try a 3-way valve so either the propane channel or the NG channel will feed the carb; no chance of back flowing from either. Your video was extremely informative; thanks again.
Does the T-fitting mixture adjust have any parts inside or is it just a long bolt with lock nut?
Just a long bolt and a jam nut to control flow..👍🏼
Johnny, just wanted to let you know you can easily hook up a gen with internal Built in load regulator. You only have to buy a propane to natural gas conversion hose. It’s actually easier and cheaper than the one with external load regulators.
I do t know if the internal regulator will operate correctly on the lower pressure from NG. A hose is one thing but correct pressure delivery is another.
Did you try it with a couple models or anything ? Would be nice to just grab a hose.
@@johnnysweekends i have done it with both my pulsar gd400bn and wen dual fuel 4500 watt version. I actually needed to add a regulator as the NG supply pressure was too high.
Lemfema 10 Feet Natural Gas Hose Conversion Kit for Grill, Low Pressure Natural Gas Grill Hose with 5" Outlet Pressure Regulator Valve and 1/2" Male NPT x 3/8" Female Flare. This is what i used
@@caseymaples19xxI’m going to try this
This is cool
Will this natural gas kit work on GENMAX GM4600IAEDC ?
What I’m looking for: is to have a lighter inverter generator below 70 lbs that is tri-fuel.
Thank you
Sorry it will not. The onboard load regulator limits it. So you are double regulating and would need to by pass the internal one.
Great video. Would this work on a GENMAX GM4600iAEFIC ? Thank you
Hello, sorry I thought your were commenting on another video. No this will not work on the EFI unit
I get that the first regulator that's always found on the propane line for dual fuel generators is to regulate pressure to similar levels similar to those provided by the regulator on my natural gas meter. My question is, if the Century demand/secondary regulator works for propane, why wouldn't it work for natural gas also? The only thing that seems to be missing is possibly some kind of adjustment for the amount of fuel that's allowed through.
It does work for NG. That’s what the video shows me doing is using this kit for NG and how to set it, or can be used for a gas to LPG.
I’m talking about the generators that have a demand regulator built-in like the ones you claim you would have to bypass. Why do you need to buy another regular so you can bypass the built-in one?
Example, WEN DF875iX. It comes with a pressure regulator on the hose like normal and then behind the propane inlet there is a demand regulator. Is there a reason someone with this generator couldn’t just run a gas hose to the propane inlet and run with it?
The internal demand regulator is set to run on the pressure and Btu ratings of LPG not NG. So the on board will probably run to lean for NG as you need more NG since its way less efficient.
I have tried a couple with my units but they just wont run correctly.
I commented on other post
It looks like that is the GM7250iEDC that has internal load regulator and won’t work without bypass correct? Do you happen to know whether GM6000iED requires bypass as well?
Yes the 6000 is the same.
You can make it work but your using the external type for both NG and LPG and bypassing the internal.
So it would void warranty so maybe after it expires..🤷🏼♂️
Do you have a link to buy this kit? And would this work on a Champion 2500W dual fuel inverter generator (model 200961)?
Sometimes for certain model you have to go to uscarburation website or even hutch mountain.
That’s why you need a battery on dual fuel generator, the solenoid needs power to switch from one fuel to another. They should have a manual backup switch because almost every generator has a dead battery.
These new units if you watch my dead battery video, I was able to start several of the Genmax units with a dead.
And yes the solenoid need to open or close for either propane or gasoline
I used to jumpstart these off of trailer batteries when i was an equipment technician. worked like a champ.
portable jumpstart packs didn't work all the time since they require a minimum voltage and proper polarity for safety purposes.
Johnny, thanks for this video. Do you know if this would work on the Genmax 9000ied?
I don’t know for sure but I’m pretty sure the load regulator is inside and would need to be by passed. They have a new tri fuel coming..
But you could make it work but that’s up to you.
@@johnnysweekends Waiting for the tri fuel coming sometime soon! Thanks!
Do you know which way the pulsar 9500 inverter generator is set up? Im wanting to add natural gas abilities to it.
Pretty sure the regulator is internal so it would need bypass which you could add a splitter after it for a second feed. But would still need a outside regulator
Just bought a pulsar gd400bn you think this will work on it as well.
Yup it should. Just need the kit
I was wondering if you could share the link with me for the natural gas conversion kit you used on the genmax 3500iad? I have that same generator and would like to do the conversion like you did in the video. Thank you
They don’t actually make one for it. It’s a universal kit and you would have to build it a little. It’s just brass fittings and a hose. Some of the parts are listed in description
Do you know if this kit would work with the new genmax gm7500iaed 312cc model that just came out recently? I noticed on this model the propane connection is on the side like the smaller inverters compared to the 7250 where the propane connection is in the front.
I don’t know. I hope to get one of those soon
so is the Genmax GM3500IAED in the video already tri fuel?
No it is not. You need to add the external conversion kit and use that load regulator. Not the factory
The generator is 3200 watts rated load. Why did you adjust your natural gas regulator with only a 15 amp load?
For demonstration
Would this work for a dual fuel genmax 7250iedc?
Not with out modifying the inside and by passing the load regulator
I'm wondering if i can run a baja 900 inverter generator on natural gas
Sure if it doesn’t have a internal load regulator or is not dual fuel already then it’s easy with the kit..👍🏼
would you need that regulator if the generator is tri-fuel?
No, tri fuel is ready to go 😀👍🏼
@@johnnysweekends Thank you! In tri-fuel generators or even in that regulator. Will the flow of natrual gas stop if the generator is shut off? Just as a saftey feature if you don't notice the generator stopped running natural gas wouldn't be flowing all over the floor.
Yea both the tri fuel units or dual fuel and the after market load regulator will shut off if the generator does.
Although NG is lighter than air so it does dissipate quicker. But leaks can still be dangerous
@JOHNNY'S WEEKENDS awesome thank you , it's good to know they have that saftey device built in.
Any idea when the updated Genmax 7250 is coming out?
No not yet waiting, for them to let me know when all the new units are tested and ready. Would assume soon.
Looking for the Genmax 7250 that can do Natural Gas. Is there a new model coming out that can do Natural gas as well? If not, do you know which regulator needed for the 7250? Thanks! @@johnnysweekends
@scramick I’m headed to the NHS show in Vegas next week!! There will be tons of new stuff from several manufacturers including GenMax so stay tuned for the video…😀👍🏼
Thank you! @@johnnysweekends
Do you have link to this kit?
Thank you
You need to get ahold of them and get one more specific for your unit
That sounds dangerous. I might only being ignorant, but when you use two fuel types on the same machine, differences of pressure, volatility and others must be carefully considered.
These engines are nothing more then lawn mower engines and many can be converted to LPG and NG. As long as the correct regulator and load regulator or on demand type is used then it’s perfectly safe for you and the engine.
This is not new and has been going on for for 20 years+
Genmax has a Tri fuel "natural gas" generator
Yes they do now! I was the first to report on this and they have two models along with making some for pulsar. Genmax has several new models coming including a 120/240 volt small gen. So you can combine into parallel or series along with the new fuel injection model ..😀👍🏼
@@johnnysweekends do you know when the release dates are for the US and Canada?
Mr. Brown I have been talking with my contact and I think mid summer is when we should see most so then I assume another month or so till Canada gets them. It seems it’s always a couple months or less before you do.
But the bigger V twin 12000k unit is a end of the year release from what I’m hearing.
Has anyone tried this on a champion 100401? It’s a dual fuel 4375 peak watt generator.
can this generator run on hydrogen instead of propane?
It’s possible but it has a lower btu than NG …🤷🏼♂️
@@johnnysweekends😮