This is interesting, I (Roman Catholic) have been running into a number of these kinds of prayers in old prayer books recently, and I decided to look into the matter. I've been praying with these prayers at mass for the last few weeks, and I do enjoy the kind of meditation on the mass that it offers. I also appreciate the prayers that are included at moments when it doesn't necessarily make sense for us to pray the exact same words as the priest (where the priest is offering the oblation for example). It also seems to be a very old practice, I've found medieval manuscripts with these and similar devotions. The older you go, the more sparse the actual prayers are. This all seems to have developed from an older practice where the laity are given ideas to meditate on at certain parts of mass. Spiritual commentaries on the liturgy. Like those of St. Cyril of Alexandria, St. Maximus' "Mystagogy," Amalarius of Metz' "Expositiones Missae," William Durandus' "Reason for the Divine Offices." Things like looking at the chalice as a sign for the tomb, whose cover is rolled away. The altar cloths as the burial shrouds. Etc. Knowing that the Byzantine tradition is also filled with all these mystical interpretations of the different parts of the liturgy, I suspected a similar tradition of lay prayers would have developed. Thank you for confirming!
Somethins going around. I almost faceplanted during the first reading yesterday. If I didn't sit down then I'm sure I would have went timber during the gospel. Take care!
Did the Carpatho-Russians get it from while they were under Catholicism? I know it was common for folks to recite the rosary and other personal devotions during the mass. Many couldn’t understand it because it was in Latin. Pope Pius XII said it was a good thing. Then after Vatican II Pope Paul VI said no don’t do personal devotions during service because the mass is in the vernacular now.
I am praying for your restored health. May God bless you and grant you many years!!
This is interesting, I (Roman Catholic) have been running into a number of these kinds of prayers in old prayer books recently, and I decided to look into the matter. I've been praying with these prayers at mass for the last few weeks, and I do enjoy the kind of meditation on the mass that it offers. I also appreciate the prayers that are included at moments when it doesn't necessarily make sense for us to pray the exact same words as the priest (where the priest is offering the oblation for example).
It also seems to be a very old practice, I've found medieval manuscripts with these and similar devotions. The older you go, the more sparse the actual prayers are. This all seems to have developed from an older practice where the laity are given ideas to meditate on at certain parts of mass. Spiritual commentaries on the liturgy. Like those of St. Cyril of Alexandria, St. Maximus' "Mystagogy," Amalarius of Metz' "Expositiones Missae," William Durandus' "Reason for the Divine Offices." Things like looking at the chalice as a sign for the tomb, whose cover is rolled away. The altar cloths as the burial shrouds. Etc.
Knowing that the Byzantine tradition is also filled with all these mystical interpretations of the different parts of the liturgy, I suspected a similar tradition of lay prayers would have developed. Thank you for confirming!
Man, it takes everything I got to just pay attention during Liturgy. Not sure if I could keep up and say prayers at the same time.
i pray you feel better soon!
Maybe by the time there’s another drop on shirts I’ll have like a real job and can get one! Fingers crossed!
Somethins going around. I almost faceplanted during the first reading yesterday. If I didn't sit down then I'm sure I would have went timber during the gospel. Take care!
Did the Carpatho-Russians get it from while they were under Catholicism? I know it was common for folks to recite the rosary and other personal devotions during the mass. Many couldn’t understand it because it was in Latin. Pope Pius XII said it was a good thing. Then after Vatican II Pope Paul VI said no don’t do personal devotions during service because the mass is in the vernacular now.
Possibly
I tried emailing him forever ago he never replied
Hound him!!!!