James Bond After Fleming- A LIVE Happy Hour Discussion
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Join Calvin Dyson, Joe Darlington, David Lowbridge-Ellis, and me as we discuss author Mark Edlitz' new book entitled 'James Bond - After Fleming'. The book focuses on ALL of the post-Fleming Bonds novels and this group gets to have some fun with all of YOU in a LIVE book club format. Mark Edlitz himself joins the fray as we take YOUR comments and questions as we take a journey down the literary road of James Bond continuation novels...drink in hand!
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Many congratulations Mark, wishing the best for the book's success.
Thank you, Simon!
What a delightful 90 mins, thank you all. Can’t wait to check out the latest from Mark.
Great show as always. I really enjoyed Colonel Sun and Forever and a Day. I would also like to see the Fleming Moonraker novel as a movie.
Nice book picks! They started the continuation novels on a high note with Colonel Sun. Agreed, I love Horowitiz.
They did do a faithful adaption of Moonraker for the Toby Stephen's radio series [which runs about 90 mins]. Cubby never seemed very keen on the book which he states in the infamous 'science fact' clip. Some basic ideas from it were used for 'Die Another Day' [to the extent 'Miranda Frost' was originally called Gala Brand].
@@jamesatkinsonjaFor sure. Toby Stephens is excellent in them. [I actually interviewed Toby for my book The Lost Adventures of James Bond.] That entire series is excellent. Well-cast and faithful to the source material. Of course, some changes are necessary. The shows are great fun.
I've really enjoyed Mark Edlitz's earlier books so I'll for sure be reading this one. The 'Bond Files' [by Andy Lane and Paul Simpson] were my first introduction to any post Fleming books as a kid but that only covers to 2002 so getting an new book covering them is something I've been waiting for.
Thanks for the kind words! The Bond Files was definitely a source of inspiration. When I started the project, I was not sure I was up to the task. But I'm very glad Ii did it.
I am currently going through the Gardner books as my first Bond continuation after Fleming. I am not going in order though. I have read Licence Renewed, Icebreaker, Role of Honour and Brokenclaw so far. I think they are fine so far. Obviously not Fleming but for the most part I am enjoying them.
I hope you enjoy the Gardner books. He figured out that he wouldn't be able to write like Fleming. So he stopped trying and just followed hs own interests.
Wonderful live discussion - that sadly I missed when it was going on. What a great panel and terrific topic. Looking forward to Mark’s book. I enjoy a lot of the post Fleming works including Colonel Sun, the Benson series as well as recent Anthony Horowitz novels.
PS David LE wins for the jacket and ice cube.
Thanks for coming! The guys were great, weren't they. David Z, Calvin, Dave LW, and Darlington. I hope you enjoy my book.
I’m glad you posted this on RUclips because on the West Coast I was still at work so thank you
And this way, you could pause it and refill your glass. Glad you could come (at any time).
You guys are a pleasure to watch and listen to. Do show us your bookshelves sometimes. I suspect David has every Bond-related book and edition there is. Show us your shelves in such a way we can read the spines.
I’m glad I watched this episode, I’ve started on the benson novels and am having fun.
Just finished all the Fleming novels for the first time through...this book couldn't have come at a better time for me! Thank you Mark!
Spectacular. Hope it's useful!
45:53 Calvin made a similar point in his review that Gardner's 'SeaFire' read more like a TV series than a film [given Bond and Flicka are often going on 'mini missions' connected to the main storyline] but I do think a streaming show would probably be a new storyline.
I prefer biographies and books about the films to Bond novels the new book sounds like its a useful guide to what in the continuation novels and what ones are worth reading. I struggled with the Gardner books Calvins reviews brought back the feeling that it was more of a pain than pleasure reading them. Bond is supposed to bring us pleasure if some fans love the continuation novels all good. Maybe there will be ones that will hit the spot for me.
That's my goal. Hopefully, this book serves as a guide to help you connect with a book that you might spark to.
The Bond 'continuation' books are fairly low profile to the extent when Seb Faulks book was announced some newspapers in the UK actually claimed it was the first book since Fleming! Including spin off's like 'Young Bond', there has been 20 Bond books in the last 20 years so it's a part of the franchise that is pretty busy.
My ideas for using Bond Continuation Novels for the future of EON.
Use Forever and a Day (set modern day, please) to introduce the new Bond. Bring back Alec Trevelyan. Have him possibly be the 007 that gets "killed" in the beginning of FAAD. Then, the character is there for a possible future story. The villain's plot with drugs can use heroin and now fentanyl problems can help the story feel more modern. Sixtine can be this Bond's Vesper/Tracy.
Then use Carte Blanche to introduce his side characters. That's one area CB did really well. Have their authors guide the writing, so that we can get some faithful adaptations. There are two subplots that I would like to see adapted from recent literary stories. The entire run from Dynamite Comics' Felix Leiter. It would be a great subplot, and let Felix get some action that can tie into the main plot. Second, Felicity Willing and her food plot in Carte Blanche. She could be an interesting female villain, for a modern setting. Her plot is still a problem, in the modern era.
May and Charmian Bond need to be introduced into the film series to make it feel different from before. Blofeld should always be a possible threat. With Irma Bunt as his henchwoman or even wife to make it different. She could even be her own villain of her own story, like in Blast From The Past. Even Raymond Benson could guide it. Have the villains in both books be linked to SPECTRE as businesses, not SPECTRE agents themselves. We just got that in DC's timeline, honestly. And no code names, or double crosses. EON should adapt some of the continuation novels. Some of their stories could work better than Fleming’s now. A great continuation novel to adapt for a later Bond adventure in a era would be Nobody Lives Forever. After getting May and Moneypenny reintroduced and shown in a few films, they would deserve their big part in a story. I would be opposed to Blofeld being the main villain of the story as well, as long as he isn't killed.
A future missed opportunity for EON arguably could be not adapting a continuation novel. Just for the sake of trying. Do we really want Purvis and Wade writing another "original" story where Bond leaves MI6, in one way or another? Or EON having an artsy director go overboard with Bond's (or M's) past?
As for other spinoff ideas, I think some villains should be given a modern day book. I have ideas for Goldfinger, Blofeld, Scaramanga and Alec Trevelyan.
Future authors I'd like to see are Guy Adams, Charles Cumming and in particular, Charlotte Philby. They can write good thrillers, and have experience in the spy genre. IFP should hire them over the next couple of years.
Great video everyone, I always enjoy all of your viewpoints!
It is worth noting that Purvis and Wade's job is to mainly get the project off the ground-they weren't involved in the last 3 Bond's initially but got brought back in as the other writers [Peter Morgan, John Logan and John Hodge] ran into difficulties and Purvis and Wade themselves have said they'd be happy to move on had those projects worked with the other writers [I do think the criticism they get is overdone given many writers work-credited or not-on these films-Tomorrow Never Dies for example had several writers attached despite only one getting the credit]. They have taken a few ideas from Colonel Sun without owning the rights or doing a straight adaption so they might not be adverse to taking ideas from these books and doing an original story with it [as I can't see them doing a period setting and the Gardner+ Benson books are bit dated now]. I'm surprised a 'villain' centric spin off hasn't happened yet [unless you count 'Goldeneye Rouge Agent] given projects like Venom, Joker and Harley Quinn/Suicide Squad in recent years.
@@jamesatkinsonja Fair enough about Purvis and Wade. I do hope IFP (and to a degree EON) try a spinoff with a villain. Start with an iconic one, but just make the story as modern as possible.
I did raise an eyebrow at the Saab!
Haha. Gardner loved his Saabs.
@@JamesBondAfterFleming The 900 Turbo was a good car. Since a book cover is a bit like a movie poster I find the Saab's appearance unexpected.
Evening all from Manchester UK 🙂🙂
Hello from NY. Nice to see you Manchester!
1:18:24 Lee Child has said in 2021 that he was offered the chance to write a Bond novel twice but turned it down and didn't seem very keen to do it unfortunately.
Ordered the book today, looking forward to it. Thanks for the lively discussions and content - everybody. It’s a tough time to be a Bond fan when Eon clearly resents their fans and doesn’t want to give them new adventures. At least we have all the hard work you all are doing. Thank you. Have a happy holiday!
FWIW John Payne had the rights to Moonraker for a while. Interesting.
The only one who wrote about women was Ian Fleming. The only one with descriptive lust. Everyone else imitated the movies. Raymond Benson tried to imitate Fleming's style.
I have Jeffrey Deaver's. Haven't read it yet.
The Bond 'continuation' books are fairly low profile to the extent when Seb Faulks book was announced some newspapers in the UK actually claimed it was the first book since Fleming! Including spin off's like 'Young Bond', there has been 20 Bond books in the last 20 years so it's a part of the franchise that is pretty busy.