Yeah, I found my perfect sound with Helix LT and Stomp and didn't change anything since 2021. Maybe more mids, more or less gain, but that's it. Now I am recording and playing instead of tweaking. I tested those tones in a professional studio, in a rehearsal room, in headphones and in my DAW. And they just work.
The growth in the amp sim market lead me down a rabbit hole for a long time. Now I’ve learned what I needed to and can just focus on making music. It’s nice
Differences are so small that it doesn't even matter in a mix, actually the bass tone makes more difference to a guitar tone than the amp sim itself XD
I worked this out a while ago after years of using a SansAmp PSA-1 DI for my workhorse. I still come back to the PSA-1 and GT2 because they FEEL right to play... the actual tone shaping is in the combination of power amp, cab, mic, room sound, EQ, compression, saturation and processing! I veered off trying to find my sound with other amps, and came back because I can get the SansAmps to sound like anything I want!
Very god comparison, really gets the point across. I was almost skipping to another video, but after the comparison started it was no way I was going to change. This video needs a follow up.
@@Kanal-nl3sb that's so sick to hear. Thank you for your feedback. Look, I shot 5 hours of such content for the course and that would be the follow up haha. However, I may experiment with cutting a short section out again and doing another video. Thank you.
that's right. and that's the fun part. people are scared to experiment with that because a) it doesn't sound familiar and b) most of the tutorials online don't cover these other cases, rather than the 57 and V30
@@DrMikeMetal I for example use the Friedman IRX with IRs I found for the T75 and the Celestion Anniversary, to me it sounds way better than the overused V30 and 57 combination. Glenn Fricker talks about it a lot, he always tries to seek new interesting speaker and mic combinations, now experimenting with Mojotone speakers and using a Lewitt kick mic with it!
Interesting comparison mate! It's renown by now that cab is a major factor in the guitar sound and I would say the bass tone is also a great factor in finding the right guitars tone. Imho a great mix is achievable when you nailed great sounding drums and bass. It would be interesting a video on DI track treatment 💪
I'm analog! You'll need my analog sounds for your sims. Sims are great for preforming artist and the recording artist. They have their place and job. New tone's come from you recording your own period 🤘🎶🎸
They all sound within 2-4% the same. Some sound slightly more sizzle, slightly more scooped, but the amp sims ran into the same IR all basically sound the same, there's no large shift in tonal color. With real amps, this doesn't seem to be the case. If you connect 3 different real amps to the same cabinet, they all feel very different, maybe 15-20% difference, but when using amp sims, I don't know why but they sound pretty much alike. Maybe there's something about a guitar amp working WITH a speaker TOGETHER that makes the special sauce, and having two separate pieces, like an IR and amp sim, that don't actually interact with each other just doesn't capture the differences between amps, like we see with a hardware only solution (amp and cab)
In that case, there are other factors at play, with some of those being confirmation bias, others being the room your playing....Others being your subjective opinion of the amp itself as well. This is not really the best way to assess similarities between amps given how short human auditory memory is and the numerous biases present before, during and after changes as well as playing responsively in relation to the sound given back.
@@BrunodeSouzaLino I run a professional studio however, with clients from bands like Slayer, Exodus, Etc. I can definitively tell you that real amplifiers running through the same cabinet have a much bigger difference from amp to amp when recorded, and played back in an a/b comparison, than swapping amp captures/amp models while using an IR. I do NOT know WHY this is the case, but I know that it IS the case, and the only people that would tell you otherwise are people who stand to generally make money off selling you such a product, I do not stand to gain anything from sharing this knowledge. I don't make any money if you go buy a peavey or engl or mesa.
Following up, from experience, I guess the best way to summarize it is: the further away from the player an element is on the signal chain, the more it shapes the sound and the speaker seems to be the best point of diminishing returns. The way I like to think about it is: the performance creates the sound conceptually > the pedals shape how the instrument responds to the performance > the amp shapes the actual sound of the performance > the speaker shapes how the sound is presented > everything else afterwards glues the sound to the mix. Maybe it's kind of convoluted, but it's how my brain works when I sit down and chase tones 😅
“Am I calling modern guitarists lazy? Hell no” Well you’re not, but I am. I’d argue the amp is more like 10-20% of the tone, the cab/IR is far more important. I think the bigger issue is all the over-editing of both guitars and drums, making everything sound too clean/clinical. Stop time aligning everything. Make metal dirty again
I guess so. There is a reason for this overpolishing trend though, and I started to dig it. I think that polished modern metal sounds smoother to an ear. Although the riffs are actually heavier than they used to be (think Lorna Shore or Humanity's Last Breath). This allows to capture a wider audience. To me, that's a beautiful thing, I'm all for heavy music becoming more popular. If it comes with overcompression and some over-smoothening of 4 K, I can adapt!
I think its more about wats happining in the song. Like if theres a fast part youd want the guitars as tight as possible so its more punchy but if its a slower part you can be a little more lax with the timing
I've been testing and saying this for years now. Pick almost any modern amp sim and you are good to go, the cab/IR is what shapes the sound and has by far the biggest impact.
@@svarogstudio cool! There is some difference in distortion / saturation that makes the tone smoother or more harsh. And also the gating circuit is really important. The rest is not as impactful, apparently
when I used the amped roots it didnt matter what pedal I tried in the input, it always sounded the same produced sound, it sounded good, but it didnt matter if it was a SD1 or a Chorus in the input, maybe it is my old zoom g2.1nu that I use as an interface. I want to upgrade to a 5150 iconic combo or a HX stomp, I have no idea which one I choose, I just wanted that modern 6505+ tones
i moved around TSE X50, Nalex Suite, Tonocracy, and even Neural DSP (somehow the free trial gets reset every once in a while), and i always ended up dialing in the same kind of tone lol.
Might as well stick with the free options at that point! Choose one or 2 that are the easiest to dial in your sound on, and then the rest for dialing in the overall sound of the full mix like shown in this video! \m/
yes. it's called, shaping the DI. I talk about that in depth in the course. however, the concept emerges from the URM, so I'm not applying anything new here.
@@woodward_alangreat question and I spent the time working this out!! My current answer is create a few snapshots of different IR combinations and A/B between these. Keeps the perspective fresh. More in the course. Sorry I can't help not promoting it because I think there are some real valuable concepts explained in there
Remamber when i try tiral bogren 5150 bundel and it was like... wait its all sound the same. So i chose one and stick with it. But overall i think with good ir, EQ after and maybe (depends of plugin) overdrive before its all sound similar like in the mix you cant tell diffrent. Personaly i only use bogren one knob and somitimes gojira plugin but in this age you can even make amazing sound with free stuff
I hate every modern metal mix and sounds though, i tried to listen to a recent black dalia murder cd in my car it sucked so bad, ultra compressed, everything squashed, no dynamics, after 20 seconds i had to stop, so yeah.
yes, fair enough. the best sounding records of 2023-2024 are probably Silent Planet and Allt, though. Check these out if you haven't. They do sound uber compressed but in a pleasant, stylistic way
@@DrMikeMetal Lots of guys since the early days of plugins swear by his stuff, believing even his early work are still more accurate recreations than modern plugins, or still hold up at the very least. He used to go by his name, Valdimir Taranov, but re-branded to V-Tar Amps a few years ago. Most of his work is still free so plenty of time to check it out! Resington here on RUclips is a huge fan if you need someone to do a breakdown. Cheers! \m/
If you dial with your eq. It s quite the same.... IR make a huge difference compared to the AMPsim. Finally you Can have only the amproot and have a brutal tone if you have a proper IR.
It's not even just the amp sum because everyone is following the same tutorials to get guitar tone, but also modern studio mixers are watching the same tutorials to mix the tones she especially all the instruments together. Yes, so many modern albums sound the same.
I think the issue is more about the fact that all these amp sims used are meant to mimmic a Peavey 5150. Even the EVH 5150 is a rip-off of the Peavey. EVH just brought it over with him. And I'd argue, the minor differences you hear here are the same differences you'd hear sending a head through the same cab with the mic in the same location. You'd hear very minor differences between the block letter, 6505, EVH 5150, etc. They can all be dialed in to sound like that. And really, all these amps owe their gratitude to the Soldano SLO.
I don't disagree! However, in this test we have the Ampknob, which is the Dual Rectifier emulation, as well as my NAM model of Custom Audio Amplifiers. Plini also seems to be an emulation of PRS Archon. In my course, I did this exact test for my amps. The difference is larger than in these tests. Hope that this helps!
@@DrMikeMetal I wasn't aware of the Ampknob being a dual rec, or Plini being a PRS Archon. Though, it still holds up, they all had their circutry based on the SLO. - That's just me saving face for being wrong. 😁
@@sighermike haha that's cool! I do think that algorithmic modelling is not going to be as detailed as the real deal no matter how sophisticated it is. That's why the dynamics is similar. SLO rocks!
Hmmm Biggest issue is guitars generally suck 99% of the time these days. People just write the same chugging riff. It’s boring Listen to Blizzard of Ozz, guitar sound is awful. Always was. But the guitar parts are excellent. Music now is produced excellent, but the craftsmanship of songs has long been lost. Amps or sims are not the issue.
IMHO… switch IR’s and stick to one amp head or modeler. I’m going to guess most of those IR’s you are using are V30’s and that’s why no matter what head you’re using it all sounds (basically) the same. The average non musician listening through a modern device isn’t going to hear the “detail” you’re hearing in studio monitors. It’s not that important.
The way I see it, they all sound the same because guitar players spend more time chasing tone and that quest gives them such tunnel vision they all end up sounding the same and, because they spent more time on that than on the song they were going to use that "perfect tone" on, they didn't polish the song and it sounds the same as the other 300 songs done by guitar players on the exact same quest. And then they blame their tools.
sort of yes and no, the real amps do provide more difference. plus, if the distortion type is incorrect (extreme example - super fuzzy amp) then no matter the speaker you choose, it would sound flubby or harsh, because the saturation is wrong. so amps and ampsims do impact the tone in terms of the distortion character. but not the imprint that the cab puts on.
I disagree about guitars being the 80% of your mix. The most important thing is the bass and the drums , especially the room mics. once those are in place you are good to go.
@@DrMikeMetal any modern metal, such as modern metalcore, djent, thall etc. etc. what sets the big mixes apart from amateur ones are mostly the drums, room, bass and frequency balance overall. most are using soothe 2 which is why many mixes have a similiar high mids response.
Plenty of great bands had shit tone, and plenty of modern bands have great tone and nobody cares. Quit worrying about your tone and go write a song people want to hear.
also very much agreed! however, in the case of modern metal, only the certain tone lets the band sound the right way and translate their huge riffs and breakdowns. I was at a show where the modern band was approached like a traditional old-school metal band. Thin snare, no snare bombs, kicks are too tight and the guitars are scooped... And it just simply doesn't give the right perception to the audience. No fun.
preset-based music truly sucks. however, these days it takes so much more than putting a mic on the instruments... I used to hate this idea. Once I learnt the actually techniques and how sophisticated and complex these are to achieve the modern tone... I realised that I was wrong. And the thing is not about the complexity of these for the sake of being complex. I started to appreciate the sound more as I kept listening to the modern bands and just digging their music.
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Yeah, I found my perfect sound with Helix LT and Stomp and didn't change anything since 2021. Maybe more mids, more or less gain, but that's it. Now I am recording and playing instead of tweaking. I tested those tones in a professional studio, in a rehearsal room, in headphones and in my DAW. And they just work.
@@ConstantineM that's so good.
The growth in the amp sim market lead me down a rabbit hole for a long time. Now I’ve learned what I needed to and can just focus on making music. It’s nice
Differences are so small that it doesn't even matter in a mix, actually the bass tone makes more difference to a guitar tone than the amp sim itself XD
@@constantinranis that's so surprising and funny isn't it
@@DrMikeMetal Change the cab/IR using the same amp and it would be a totally different video
I worked this out a while ago after years of using a SansAmp PSA-1 DI for my workhorse. I still come back to the PSA-1 and GT2 because they FEEL right to play... the actual tone shaping is in the combination of power amp, cab, mic, room sound, EQ, compression, saturation and processing! I veered off trying to find my sound with other amps, and came back because I can get the SansAmps to sound like anything I want!
Very god comparison, really gets the point across. I was almost skipping to another video, but after the comparison started it was no way I was going to change. This video needs a follow up.
@@Kanal-nl3sb that's so sick to hear. Thank you for your feedback.
Look, I shot 5 hours of such content for the course and that would be the follow up haha. However, I may experiment with cutting a short section out again and doing another video. Thank you.
Informative as always mate.. top stuff
@@AJoylessEon 🙏🙏🙏
The solution, stop using the 5150 or the Rectifier, stop using V30, stop using the SM57 and then you'll get a unique sound.
that's right. and that's the fun part. people are scared to experiment with that because a) it doesn't sound familiar and b) most of the tutorials online don't cover these other cases, rather than the 57 and V30
@@DrMikeMetal I for example use the Friedman IRX with IRs I found for the T75 and the Celestion Anniversary, to me it sounds way better than the overused V30 and 57 combination.
Glenn Fricker talks about it a lot, he always tries to seek new interesting speaker and mic combinations, now experimenting with Mojotone speakers and using a Lewitt kick mic with it!
Is this the Spectre Sound guy?
@@EmperorKamikaze nope, but I learned from this advice of his a lot!
Interesting comparison mate! It's renown by now that cab is a major factor in the guitar sound and I would say the bass tone is also a great factor in finding the right guitars tone. Imho a great mix is achievable when you nailed great sounding drums and bass. It would be interesting a video on DI track treatment 💪
@@rikydestudio cheers!!
DI part is very interesting. It's done. I may cut some of it for YT, but leaving the bulk for the course
I'm analog! You'll need my analog sounds for your sims. Sims are great for preforming artist and the recording artist. They have their place and job. New tone's come from you recording your own period 🤘🎶🎸
@@rexduvall7097 that's cool! That's why I'm still using my amps
So similar dude. Great straight forward demo.
@@resington thanks heaps for watching man
They all sound within 2-4% the same. Some sound slightly more sizzle, slightly more scooped, but the amp sims ran into the same IR all basically sound the same, there's no large shift in tonal color.
With real amps, this doesn't seem to be the case. If you connect 3 different real amps to the same cabinet, they all feel very different, maybe 15-20% difference, but when using amp sims, I don't know why but they sound pretty much alike.
Maybe there's something about a guitar amp working WITH a speaker TOGETHER that makes the special sauce, and having two separate pieces, like an IR and amp sim, that don't actually interact with each other just doesn't capture the differences between amps, like we see with a hardware only solution (amp and cab)
@@CrowkeeperStudios exactly right. In my course, I did the amp comparison and there was more difference!!
@@DrMikeMetalI think with real amps the difference is in the components tolerance during manufacturing also.
@@michaelj.anderson1116 for sure
In that case, there are other factors at play, with some of those being confirmation bias, others being the room your playing....Others being your subjective opinion of the amp itself as well. This is not really the best way to assess similarities between amps given how short human auditory memory is and the numerous biases present before, during and after changes as well as playing responsively in relation to the sound given back.
@@BrunodeSouzaLino I run a professional studio however, with clients from bands like Slayer, Exodus, Etc. I can definitively tell you that real amplifiers running through the same cabinet have a much bigger difference from amp to amp when recorded, and played back in an a/b comparison, than swapping amp captures/amp models while using an IR.
I do NOT know WHY this is the case, but I know that it IS the case, and the only people that would tell you otherwise are people who stand to generally make money off selling you such a product, I do not stand to gain anything from sharing this knowledge.
I don't make any money if you go buy a peavey or engl or mesa.
Damn, another Dr. Mike on RUclips
@@nikolas_navarro what can I do haha
Following up, from experience, I guess the best way to summarize it is: the further away from the player an element is on the signal chain, the more it shapes the sound and the speaker seems to be the best point of diminishing returns. The way I like to think about it is: the performance creates the sound conceptually > the pedals shape how the instrument responds to the performance > the amp shapes the actual sound of the performance > the speaker shapes how the sound is presented > everything else afterwards glues the sound to the mix. Maybe it's kind of convoluted, but it's how my brain works when I sit down and chase tones 😅
@@nikolas_navarro beautifully put!!! 👏
“Am I calling modern guitarists lazy? Hell no”
Well you’re not, but I am. I’d argue the amp is more like 10-20% of the tone, the cab/IR is far more important. I think the bigger issue is all the over-editing of both guitars and drums, making everything sound too clean/clinical. Stop time aligning everything. Make metal dirty again
I guess so. There is a reason for this overpolishing trend though, and I started to dig it. I think that polished modern metal sounds smoother to an ear. Although the riffs are actually heavier than they used to be (think Lorna Shore or Humanity's Last Breath). This allows to capture a wider audience. To me, that's a beautiful thing, I'm all for heavy music becoming more popular. If it comes with overcompression and some over-smoothening of 4 K, I can adapt!
I think its more about wats happining in the song. Like if theres a fast part youd want the guitars as tight as possible so its more punchy but if its a slower part you can be a little more lax with the timing
@@Durkhead yep. The hard part is when the song has all of these and changes so much
Great vid man!
Good points. Thanks!
I've been testing and saying this for years now. Pick almost any modern amp sim and you are good to go, the cab/IR is what shapes the sound and has by far the biggest impact.
@@svarogstudio cool! There is some difference in distortion / saturation that makes the tone smoother or more harsh. And also the gating circuit is really important. The rest is not as impactful, apparently
Yeah I've been using the free audio assault Deimos amp sim for high gain material here lately. That amp sim is a straight up monster.
nice! I think it goes for $5 now? haha
That’s my favorite at the moment. I’ve compared it to a lot of others and I just love it so much!
when I used the amped roots it didnt matter what pedal I tried in the input, it always sounded the same produced sound, it sounded good, but it didnt matter if it was a SD1 or a Chorus in the input, maybe it is my old zoom g2.1nu that I use as an interface. I want to upgrade to a 5150 iconic combo or a HX stomp, I have no idea which one I choose, I just wanted that modern 6505+ tones
hey just grab Neural Amp Modeler (free) and a 5150/6505 capture. done! free
i moved around TSE X50, Nalex Suite, Tonocracy, and even Neural DSP (somehow the free trial gets reset every once in a while), and i always ended up dialing in the same kind of tone lol.
Might as well stick with the free options at that point! Choose one or 2 that are the easiest to dial in your sound on, and then the rest for dialing in the overall sound of the full mix like shown in this video! \m/
Do people usually EQ/compress the DI information *before* applying the sim? I've never that before. Interesting.
yes. it's called, shaping the DI. I talk about that in depth in the course. however, the concept emerges from the URM, so I'm not applying anything new here.
If I have 100 IRs, how do I figure out which i like when so many good ones?
@@woodward_alangreat question and I spent the time working this out!! My current answer is create a few snapshots of different IR combinations and A/B between these. Keeps the perspective fresh. More in the course. Sorry I can't help not promoting it because I think there are some real valuable concepts explained in there
Listen back on home stereo, car, etc. You'll hear enlightening revelations that will narrow down the list.
No problem. Amp is about distortion, cab plus mic is abaut tone. Want new tone find new speakers, cabinets plus mics.
Remamber when i try tiral bogren 5150 bundel and it was like... wait its all sound the same. So i chose one and stick with it. But overall i think with good ir, EQ after and maybe (depends of plugin) overdrive before its all sound similar like in the mix you cant tell diffrent. Personaly i only use bogren one knob and somitimes gojira plugin but in this age you can even make amazing sound with free stuff
@@30_second_guitar spot on
I hate every modern metal mix and sounds though, i tried to listen to a recent black dalia murder cd in my car it sucked so bad, ultra compressed, everything squashed, no dynamics, after 20 seconds i had to stop, so yeah.
yes, fair enough. the best sounding records of 2023-2024 are probably Silent Planet and Allt, though. Check these out if you haven't. They do sound uber compressed but in a pleasant, stylistic way
try mercuriall amp box u530 with rectifier then see the diffrence
@@SuperMetalbird thanks for the recommendation!
Have you tried the Vtaramp stuff?
@@mattvdh nope! What do you find great about these amps?
@@DrMikeMetal Lots of guys since the early days of plugins swear by his stuff, believing even his early work are still more accurate recreations than modern plugins, or still hold up at the very least. He used to go by his name, Valdimir Taranov, but re-branded to V-Tar Amps a few years ago. Most of his work is still free so plenty of time to check it out! Resington here on RUclips is a huge fan if you need someone to do a breakdown. Cheers! \m/
@@SerpentsBane1995 awesome! Thank you for the info! A fellow Russian colleague!
If you dial with your eq. It s quite the same.... IR make a huge difference compared to the AMPsim. Finally you Can have only the amproot and have a brutal tone if you have a proper IR.
@@thomaskrahl2502 exactly my point
It's not even just the amp sum because everyone is following the same tutorials to get guitar tone, but also modern studio mixers are watching the same tutorials to mix the tones she especially all the instruments together. Yes, so many modern albums sound the same.
@@weevilsnitz 💯 this
I think the issue is more about the fact that all these amp sims used are meant to mimmic a Peavey 5150. Even the EVH 5150 is a rip-off of the Peavey. EVH just brought it over with him. And I'd argue, the minor differences you hear here are the same differences you'd hear sending a head through the same cab with the mic in the same location. You'd hear very minor differences between the block letter, 6505, EVH 5150, etc. They can all be dialed in to sound like that. And really, all these amps owe their gratitude to the Soldano SLO.
I don't disagree! However, in this test we have the Ampknob, which is the Dual Rectifier emulation, as well as my NAM model of Custom Audio Amplifiers. Plini also seems to be an emulation of PRS Archon.
In my course, I did this exact test for my amps. The difference is larger than in these tests. Hope that this helps!
@@DrMikeMetal I wasn't aware of the Ampknob being a dual rec, or Plini being a PRS Archon. Though, it still holds up, they all had their circutry based on the SLO. - That's just me saving face for being wrong. 😁
@@sighermike haha that's cool!
I do think that algorithmic modelling is not going to be as detailed as the real deal no matter how sophisticated it is. That's why the dynamics is similar. SLO rocks!
@@DrMikeMetal It already does. You wouldn't know amp from emulation in a the wild or in a double blind test these days.
It's not and that's why you see more 5153's than 6505s.
Hmmm Biggest issue is guitars generally suck 99% of the time these days. People just write the same chugging riff. It’s boring
Listen to Blizzard of Ozz, guitar sound is awful. Always was. But the guitar parts are excellent. Music now is produced excellent, but the craftsmanship of songs has long been lost. Amps or sims are not the issue.
back when people spent money on recorded music and they weren't distracted by computers...right? 😀
your English is also good
@@RiffSaver too kind!! Considering it's not my first language. Thank you so much
Is this the same with real amps?
@@ShiniKura not the same. The difference is larger
That's why I recorded my debut EP/demo with my "shitty" solid state amp, with a cheap mic, and guess what...it has character....
link please? \m/
@@SerpentsBane1995 Just search for " NUMQUAM - Heritage EP "
Feel free to give some feedback!
@@SerpentsBane1995 Search for "Numquam - Heritage EP". Feel free to give some feedback!
IMHO… switch IR’s and stick to one amp head or modeler. I’m going to guess most of those IR’s you are using are V30’s and that’s why no matter what head you’re using it all sounds (basically) the same.
The average non musician listening through a modern device isn’t going to hear the “detail” you’re hearing in studio monitors. It’s not that important.
@@kevinobrien3888 different IRs. V30, greenbacks, V70 and V70, and some commercial mixes of IRs as well...
I agree though.
Ну да, динамик+мик определяют звучание гораздо сильнее чем усилитель
Is this a Spiritbox song?
@@DrMikeMetalactually sounds a bit like Hollowed Heart by Make Them Suffer now that I think about it haha seems like an awesome track!
@@EldongDaddyvic yes spot on!
Angus young just plugged in and let it rip. Option overload these days.
The way I see it, they all sound the same because guitar players spend more time chasing tone and that quest gives them such tunnel vision they all end up sounding the same and, because they spent more time on that than on the song they were going to use that "perfect tone" on, they didn't polish the song and it sounds the same as the other 300 songs done by guitar players on the exact same quest. And then they blame their tools.
high gain amps aren't the thing that change the tone, to change the tone, change the speakers, the problem doesnt come from the amp sims
sort of yes and no, the real amps do provide more difference. plus, if the distortion type is incorrect (extreme example - super fuzzy amp) then no matter the speaker you choose, it would sound flubby or harsh, because the saturation is wrong. so amps and ampsims do impact the tone in terms of the distortion character. but not the imprint that the cab puts on.
I disagree about guitars being the 80% of your mix.
The most important thing is the bass and the drums , especially the room mics.
once those are in place you are good to go.
@@escapegulag4317 fair enough! Which subgenre of heavy are you talking about, though?
@@DrMikeMetal any modern metal, such as modern metalcore, djent, thall etc. etc.
what sets the big mixes apart from amateur ones are mostly the drums, room, bass and frequency balance overall. most are using soothe 2 which is why many mixes have a similiar high mids response.
The most important thing is the song.
@@BrunodeSouzaLino hells yes.
Plenty of great bands had shit tone, and plenty of modern bands have great tone and nobody cares. Quit worrying about your tone and go write a song people want to hear.
also very much agreed! however, in the case of modern metal, only the certain tone lets the band sound the right way and translate their huge riffs and breakdowns. I was at a show where the modern band was approached like a traditional old-school metal band. Thin snare, no snare bombs, kicks are too tight and the guitars are scooped... And it just simply doesn't give the right perception to the audience. No fun.
@@DrMikeMetal that is a good point. It would be weird to hear a modern metal band using old school tones.
@@travismiller7679 💯 and I've seen some of that happen without a positive outcome
The sound of the drums "make or brake" your record, not the guitars.
@@PASHKULI well, most of modern drums sound in a very similar pocket IMO
I think its laziness and trying to make abuck off a band.
@@Kyp031 unfortunately, some truth in it yes
tone rabbit hole strikes again. just play.
@@wce74wce15 💯
Yup, preset based digital metal sucks. Start a band, put a mic on your instruments and press record.
preset-based music truly sucks. however, these days it takes so much more than putting a mic on the instruments... I used to hate this idea. Once I learnt the actually techniques and how sophisticated and complex these are to achieve the modern tone... I realised that I was wrong. And the thing is not about the complexity of these for the sake of being complex. I started to appreciate the sound more as I kept listening to the modern bands and just digging their music.