What Protestants & Catholics Get Wrong About Mary (The Marian Dogmas Part I).
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- For part 1 of the Marian Dogmas, Wes and Lucas discuss the Marian Dogmas, and what both Protestants and Roman Catholics. Next episode will cover more in detail why the Marian Dogmas have been distorted by the Roman Catholics.
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When Elizabeth heard the greeting from Mary she was filled with the Holy Spirit.
“And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: and she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.”
Luke 1:41-42
And the first words she spake in the Spirit were honor and praise to both Mary and Christ.
Throughout all of Christian history, Mary has been highly honored and venerated . Luther agreed to this truth about the Theotokos as did the other Reformers.
There can be no doubt that the Virgin Mary is in heaven. How it happened we do not know. And since the Holy Spirit has told us nothing about it, we can make of it no article of faith . . . It is enough to know that she lives in Christ.
(Sermon of August 15, 1522, the last time Martin Luther preached on the Feast of the Assumption)
The veneration of Mary is inscribed in the very depths of the human heart.
(Sermon, September 1, 1522)
[She is the] highest woman and the noblest gem in Christianity after Christ . . . She is nobility, wisdom, and holiness personified. We can never honor her enough. Still honor and praise must be given to her in such a way as to injure neither Christ nor the Scriptures.
(Sermon, Christmas, 1531)
No woman is like you. You are more than Eve or Sarah, blessed above all nobility, wisdom, and sanctity.
(Sermon, Feast of the Visitation, 1537)
It is the consolation and the superabundant goodness of God, that man is able to exult in such a treasure. Mary is his true Mother ..
(Sermon, Christmas, 1522)
Mary is the Mother of Jesus and the Mother of all of us even though it was Christ alone who reposed on her knees . . . If he is ours, we ought to be in his situation; there where he is, we ought also to be and all that he has ought to be ours, and his mother is also our mother.
(Sermon, Christmas, 1529)
It is a sweet and pious belief that the infusion of Mary's soul was effected without original sin; so that in the very infusion of her soul she was also purified from original sin and adorned with God's gifts, receiving a pure soul infused by God; thus from the first moment she began to live she was free from all sin"
(Sermon: "On the Day of the Conception of the Mother of God," 1527)
She is full of grace, proclaimed to be entirely without sin- something exceedingly great. For God's grace fills her with everything good and makes her devoid of all evil.
(Personal {"Little"} Prayer Book, 1522)
Christ, our Savior, was the real and natural fruit of Mary's virginal womb . . . This was without the cooperation of a man, and she remained a virgin after that.
Christ . . . was the only Son of Mary, and the Virgin Mary bore no children besides Him . . . I am inclined to agree with those who declare that 'brothers' really mean 'cousins' here, for Holy Writ and the Jews always call cousins brothers.
Scripture does not say or indicate that she later lost her virginity . . .
When Matthew [1:25] says that Joseph did not know Mary carnally until she had brought forth her son, it does not follow that he knew her subsequently; on the contrary, it means that he never did know her . . . This babble . . . is without justification . . . he has neither noticed nor paid any attention to either Scripture or the common idiom.
". . . she is full of grace, proclaimed to be entirely without sin. . . . God's grace fills her with everything good and makes her devoid of all evil. . . . God is with her, meaning that all she did or left undone is divine and the action of God in her. Moreover, God guarded and protected her from all that might be hurtful to her."
". . . she is rightly called not only the mother of the man, but also the Mother of God. . . . it is certain that Mary is the Mother of the real and true God."
John Calvin : Helvidius displayed excessive ignorance in concluding that Mary must have had many sons, because Christ's 'brothers' are sometimes mentioned.
[On Matt 1:25:] The inference he [Helvidius] drew from it was, that Mary remained a virgin no longer than till her first birth, and that afterwards she had other children by her husband . . . No just and well-grounded inference can be drawn from these words . . . as to what took place after the birth of Christ. He is called 'first-born'; but it is for the sole purpose of informing us that he was born of a virgin . . . What took place afterwards the historian does not inform us . . . No man will obstinately keep up the argument, except from an extreme fondness for disputation.
Under the word 'brethren' the Hebrews include all cousins and other relations, whatever may be the degree of affinity.
Huldreich Zwingli
He turns, in September 1522, to a lyrical defense of the perpetual virginity of the mother of Christ . . . To deny that Mary remained 'inviolata' before, during and after the birth of her Son, was to doubt the omnipotence of God . . . and it was right and profitable to repeat the angelic greeting - not prayer - 'Hail Mary' . . . God esteemed Mary above all creatures, including the saints and angels - it was her purity, innocence and invincible faith that mankind must follow. Prayer, however, must be . . . to God alone . . .
'Fidei expositio,' the last pamphlet from his pen . . . There is a special insistence upon the perpetual virginity of Mary.
I have never thought, still less taught, or declared publicly, anything concerning the subject of the ever Virgin Mary, Mother of our salvation, which could be considered dishonourable, impious, unworthy or evil . . . I believe with all my heart according to the word of holy gospel that this pure virgin bore for us the Son of God and that she remained, in the birth and after it, a pure and unsullied virgin, for eternity.
John Wesley (Founder of Methodism)
The Blessed Virgin Mary, who, as well after as when she brought him forth, continued a pure and unspotted virgin.
The conjecture which some have drawn
from these words, that she had formed
a vow of perpetual virginity, is unfounded
and altogether absurd. She would, in
that case, have committed treachery by
allowing herself to be united to a husband,
and would have poured contempt on the
holy covenant of marriage; which could
not have been done without mockery of
God… Besides, it is an idle and unfounded
supposition that a monastic life existed
among the Jews.
John Calvin, Commentary
on Luke 1:34
Here’s something from John Calvin
In Latin America they definitely worship Mary.
Catholics worship Mary, they just don’t understand how God sees worship.
You guys should debate on who has the better hair, beard and face 🤣
I’ll moderate it
LOL!
Bro I lost it when you said,
“it’s funny because they are both virgins”
And then
“Yeah that stinks”
😂😂😂
Please check out message from heaven by Rachel lubbe and A lamp in the dark by chist pinto and before the wrath by ingenuity films for the whole truth
The issue I have with the Catholic claim that "it's not worship" is that it identifies the act before defining worship.
If we define worship before observing the act, it is always worship.
The stone was not rolled away from the tomb to let Christ out. It was rolled away to reveal that it was empty.
Read St. Jerome's treatise on the perpetual virginity of blessed Mary.
If we take the foreshadowing theory, then Mary wouldn't remain a virgin.
I’ll add that to my wish list. Thanks for the recommendation.
@@darthnocturnis3941 I'm not sure how you figure that.
Consider this passage:
"Then said the LORD unto me; This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter in by it; because the LORD, the God of Israel, hath entered in by it, therefore it shall be shut." (Ezekiel 44:2).
Is it likely that God would care more about a physical gate than he would about the womb by which God became incarnate?
@methodministries it's in the NPNF2 series, and available online.
@@fr.johnwhiteford6194 I don't play the fluid contextual comparison method of exegesis. That's how we start getting the biblical instruction, "Judas went and hanged himself, go and do likewise, and what you do do quickly."
The passage you mentioned has absolutely no relevance to the immediate comparison of the foreshadowing comparison with the tomb. If the foreshadowing is proper, then the "seal" would be removed to demonstrate that it was intact in both instances, yes? Otherwise, the foreshadowing logic doesn't hold water.
Just a few points of clarification - there was never a mandated celibate priesthood in the East and there wasn’t in the West until the second Lateran Council in the 12th century. As to the fathers, it is the consensus of the fathers that informs dogma. That fact that a particular father disagrees with the consensus means absolutely nothing. None of the Apostolic Churches considers any father as infallible or singularly authoritative on any issue.
All I am sure of on this subject is that Mary did not consummate with Moses.