Retired aerospace weight and balance engineer here. The engineering term for the given weights being further away from the pivot point is increasing the moment of a given weight. Vernacular would be torque. Measured from the front axle, the arm (length of wrench for vernacular) is longer the further back you are with the ballast weights, so for the same weight, you get more torque (moment) pulling the center of gravity further back, offsetting the opposite effect from the weight of the cargo in the loader, which will keep the back tires on the ground. In aerospace, one cargo pallet (of a given weight) all the way in the most aft pallet position of the airplane pulls the center of gravity more to the aft than one just aft of the wing, for example. An additional consideration would be height of ballast weight. The lower the better, to keep the vertical center of gravity as low as possible. This benefits lateral stability. Looking at the tractor from front or back, draw a triangle between the contact patch of the two widest wheels and the vertical CG (Note there is a simplification here as it's really a 3D problem). It can be seen that the higher the CG, the less angle this drawing needs to be tipped to the side until the CG is first exactly over, then beyond the tire, at which point you'll tip laterally. Wheel spacers widen the base of this triangle, resulting in a larger angle being required to tip.
We have bought a few of your hitch hanger over this last year. They actually work really well at holding 5 gallon buckets. We use them in the summer to help clean up trash that’s left behind while the tourist season is going on.
A 55 gallon drum full of water is ~500 lbs and easy to empty and move/store with a spigot on the bottom. The same barrel filled with concrete is over 1,100 lbs. Stick a drawbar through the middle, and you've got a nearly unbeatable lbs/$.
As long as the water Completely fills the barrel !! ANY room for the water to SLOSH, and it'll be worse than not having it. Anyone that has ever driven a fire truck can tell about sloshing water, it's scary 😨
I own a 1025r, in the summer, I always leave my grader box attached to a quick hitch and I put 6x small case weight on the grader box. I have installed 2’’ wheel spacer, that tractor is extremely stable.
In Thailand, when you purchase a front loader from Kubota, it comes with a 3 point ballast box, which holds 550 kg of rocks. One point not mentioned is having sufficient rear ballast to reduce stress on the front axle bearings.
And that ballast added to your rear tires or wheels,as shown in this video doesn't provide any help for your front axle bearings. I'll still run ballast in my tires for safety, but know I should be hooking up something 3 point ideally.
The formula for work is W=F x D, where W is work, F is force, and D is distance. That is why your daughter's fulcrum experiment works so mathematically. I believe that the fulcrum on a front steer tractor is not the front end. Since the front axle pivots on a center point, I believe that a line approximately between that center pivot and the bottom outside of each rear tire becomes a fulcrum line especially in the instance of roll over. Whenever the center of gravity crosses either of those angled lines, the tractor will tip. Not only does the distance behind the rear axle make weight more effective, but also the lower it is the more effective it is by lowering the center of gravity. Also, by widening the rear stance with wheel spacers, you are causing the fulcrum lines to be farther from the center making the tractor safer. Driving with your loaded loader bucket low is safer due to low center of gravity. The safest loaders are those which articulate or steer in the rear. Those solid front axles are far less tipsy and when they do tip, they tip forward rather than sideways.
Love your video. But I hate liquid wait. If you get a flat no one wants to work on them. In southern MN. But everything else I agree with. Plus common sense helps. Keep up good work.
Thank you from PNW. Its awesome you carry wheel weights for the 2025R. I bought mine in 2019 and at the time i had a hard time finding them for it. So i went with fluids in the tires, and ballast box.
I have a 3 series JD with iMatch hitch and Frontier ballast box. I filled this box with 800 lbs. of concrete. So far, this ballast has offset the capacity of the standard loader bucket when filled with gravel. I do pay attention to bucket height, keeping it as low as possible when it's full.
I've had 1526 mahindra worked great with loaded tires could pickup max weight with finish mower box blade exc. Then cousin sold Branson tractors said the 2515 would out do the mahindra so traded well I couldn't get enough weight on 3 point to come close to lifting what it was rated for. Got another mahindra 1626 now three years later I have a kioti 3520se shuttle shift bought last July hands down best tractor I've had can pickup whatever I need with loaded tires and whatever implement I have on 3 point. Which I don't get crazy with it either. Thanks for sharing be safe have fun
Wish the CK allowed for tire weights. I did the Rimguard but wouldn't have if wheel weights were an option. I did get a carry-all, built a box on it with salvaged treated 2x6, and stack as many 4x8x16 solid concrete blocks as I need, and it works well.
Almost went over with JD 4600. Now I have 2 110's inboard, 3 outboard, loaded tires. so about 1100# extra per side pus ballast box. - Yes overboard- not farming so I don't need to watch compaction and optimal wheel slip. Real easy to pay for wheel bearings still working and walking around. Much harder to do in a hospital bed or dirt nap.
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Retired aerospace weight and balance engineer here.
The engineering term for the given weights being further away from the pivot point is increasing the moment of a given weight. Vernacular would be torque. Measured from the front axle, the arm (length of wrench for vernacular) is longer the further back you are with the ballast weights, so for the same weight, you get more torque (moment) pulling the center of gravity further back, offsetting the opposite effect from the weight of the cargo in the loader, which will keep the back tires on the ground. In aerospace, one cargo pallet (of a given weight) all the way in the most aft pallet position of the airplane pulls the center of gravity more to the aft than one just aft of the wing, for example.
An additional consideration would be height of ballast weight. The lower the better, to keep the vertical center of gravity as low as possible. This benefits lateral stability. Looking at the tractor from front or back, draw a triangle between the contact patch of the two widest wheels and the vertical CG (Note there is a simplification here as it's really a 3D problem). It can be seen that the higher the CG, the less angle this drawing needs to be tipped to the side until the CG is first exactly over, then beyond the tire, at which point you'll tip laterally. Wheel spacers widen the base of this triangle, resulting in a larger angle being required to tip.
Love the rule of thumb, and Gabrielle's demonstration was fantastic!
Great video, excellent detail and a very neat example with your daughter and the fulcrum weights. That was really insightful!
We have bought a few of your hitch hanger over this last year. They actually work really well at holding 5 gallon buckets. We use them in the summer to help clean up trash that’s left behind while the tourist season is going on.
Interesting use, love it!
A 55 gallon drum full of water is ~500 lbs and easy to empty and move/store with a spigot on the bottom. The same barrel filled with concrete is over 1,100 lbs. Stick a drawbar through the middle, and you've got a nearly unbeatable lbs/$.
As long as the water Completely fills the barrel !! ANY room for the water to SLOSH, and it'll be worse than not having it. Anyone that has ever driven a fire truck can tell about sloshing water, it's scary 😨
@@anthonyroberts9034Try driving a 10,000 gallon fuel truck that’s not full. I would take the non-flammable vehicle. 🤣
Ty All God Bless
I own a 1025r, in the summer, I always leave my grader box attached to a quick hitch and I put 6x small case weight on the grader box. I have installed 2’’ wheel spacer, that tractor is extremely stable.
In Thailand, when you purchase a front loader from Kubota, it comes with a 3 point ballast box, which holds 550 kg of rocks. One point not mentioned is having sufficient rear ballast to reduce stress on the front axle bearings.
And that ballast added to your rear tires or wheels,as shown in this video doesn't provide any help for your front axle bearings. I'll still run ballast in my tires for safety, but know I should be hooking up something 3 point ideally.
Great video Courtney. Thanks
The formula for work is W=F x D, where W is work, F is force, and D is distance. That is why your daughter's fulcrum experiment works so mathematically. I believe that the fulcrum on a front steer tractor is not the front end. Since the front axle pivots on a center point, I believe that a line approximately between that center pivot and the bottom outside of each rear tire becomes a fulcrum line especially in the instance of roll over. Whenever the center of gravity crosses either of those angled lines, the tractor will tip. Not only does the distance behind the rear axle make weight more effective, but also the lower it is the more effective it is by lowering the center of gravity. Also, by widening the rear stance with wheel spacers, you are causing the fulcrum lines to be farther from the center making the tractor safer. Driving with your loaded loader bucket low is safer due to low center of gravity. The safest loaders are those which articulate or steer in the rear. Those solid front axles are far less tipsy and when they do tip, they tip forward rather than sideways.
Give her an award.
Great visual.
Love your video. But I hate liquid wait. If you get a flat no one wants to work on them. In southern MN. But everything else I agree with. Plus common sense helps. Keep up good work.
Thank you from PNW. Its awesome you carry wheel weights for the 2025R. I bought mine in 2019 and at the time i had a hard time finding them for it. So i went with fluids in the tires, and ballast box.
Too many people think 'it will never happen to me'.
I have a 3 series JD with iMatch hitch and Frontier ballast box. I filled this box with 800 lbs. of concrete. So far, this ballast has offset the capacity of the standard loader bucket when filled with gravel. I do pay attention to bucket height, keeping it as low as possible when it's full.
Way to go Gaberle.
I've had 1526 mahindra worked great with loaded tires could pickup max weight with finish mower box blade exc. Then cousin sold Branson tractors said the 2515 would out do the mahindra so traded well I couldn't get enough weight on 3 point to come close to lifting what it was rated for. Got another mahindra 1626 now three years later I have a kioti 3520se shuttle shift bought last July hands down best tractor I've had can pickup whatever I need with loaded tires and whatever implement I have on 3 point. Which I don't get crazy with it either. Thanks for sharing be safe have fun
Wish the CK allowed for tire weights. I did the Rimguard but wouldn't have if wheel weights were an option. I did get a carry-all, built a box on it with salvaged treated 2x6, and stack as many 4x8x16 solid concrete blocks as I need, and it works well.
Distance from fulcrum means leverage
New tractors can be as light or heavy as you need them to be for the task. Wheel weights are the bare minimum for most jobs.
Almost went over with JD 4600. Now I have 2 110's inboard, 3 outboard, loaded tires. so about 1100# extra per side pus ballast box. - Yes overboard- not farming so I don't need to watch compaction and optimal wheel slip. Real easy to pay for wheel bearings still working and walking around. Much harder to do in a hospital bed or dirt nap.
Great perspective
Will the 10 series wheel weights fit the new Kioti 2025 DK 20 series?
Not sure, please send us an email and we'll see if we have any options to get ya set up.
Thank you.
What is the difference between 2 or 3 series tractors?
Typically frame size and weight are the big differences.
Fantastic. Thank you. raphael nyc
Having a time locating wheel weights to fit my TYM 574, do you have any solutions for that?
Maybe? Please email us with tire size, hole pattern, etc. We'll see if we can help you out.
Just get a heavy duty box scraper and some chain on your 3-point.
One great video. I just emailed you some information about purchasing some wheel weights for my JD 3033R tractor. Hoping you can help me out. 🎉❤😅
SO I watched the whole thing, and other than the kind of ballast you seemed to forget how to figure the weight one needs
No I didn’t forget. I talk about it in the video.
late release with this Video LOL....
We shoot videos in batches and release them throughout the year.
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