These Official Maps Are Broken Forever
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
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"the record from hefest here" lmfao
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riolu records ain’t even considered anymore haha
He who shall not be named 😂
We don't talk about that man
Where’d the chevron sign go? It’s obviously a different room.
I remember when I played TM2020 for the first time, wanted to redo old campaigns, and that Summer 2020 track completely baffled me. Could not get close to AT, and when watching the records I did not understand what I did wrong to be so slow there.
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Imagine being ranked 4978th on a map and being featured in a Wirtual video.
btw as an aside, being in the top 5K is really difficult these days with an insane amount of players
as a new player, I didn't know this replays were on different physics. This sucks so much. Couldn't they just add a text saying "Old physics: MM/YYYY" to them or something based on the date the replay was recorded?
or a data pack for these tracks specifically......
The mistake is thinking Nadeo cares at all. Any other game would reset leaderboards with physics changes like these but they want to sweep their past mistakes under the rug
@@Boarderguy96 if they would delete the leaderboards from old physics it would cause a riot
@@Makrellen. any other game that gets speedrun would have leaderboards reset, its just part of running a game that is still being tinkered with by devs. They could introduce something like a legacy leaderboard so the history of it isnt completely lost but IMO runs that happened on old physics shouldnt be mixed in with ones done on current physics.
@@Boarderguy96 They did reset the records on at least 1 map I know of, that was due to a very obvious bug causing a ridiculous speed boost, this means that they will reset the leaderboards but not for physics changes, only occasionally for serious bugs. Even then, when they reset the leaderboard for that track, it was not well received as people preferred to look back at the funny bugged records.
I just started going through the old maps and now I understand why I'm struggling so much with this track specifically. Thank you Wirtual, and of course thank you video editor.
I've spent about 30 hours on this first track and pulled my hair out how the hell one is meant to get this.. now i don't feel so bad for skipping this author medal.
16:22 hitting the broccoli is wild
Read that before watching the video… My mind interpreted that very wrong
I still don't understand why can't they tie physics to the maps creation date somehow. I know it will require some development which nadeo tries not do do if not necessary, but it's not impossible.
edit: if the replays still work fine and they only should be stored as inputs, I guess the old physics is still in there?
or are the replay ghosts stored as actual car positions?
Stored as both in older games not sure about tm 2020
But I agree they should be tied together
I imagine they don't play out an entire new run every time you spectate a replay so probs just store car positions.
also I feel like having to tie old physics to every map will not only be a waste of data, but also just really confusing. Imagine a new player trying to practice a trick he saw on an old map, or replicating a cool part of a map they liked without knowing that the maps have different physics. I imagine it'll be really confusing and not very intuitive if you tried the same thing on 2 different maps and got completely different results.
Replays have input and position data (for this specific reason...) tying physics to maps is trying to juggle more plates. Somrthing in the future can break some of your old physics, and now you have to fix that. It is hard to do, for very little gain
@@SpecialTimeWithDaniel a server with a plugin for this would be nice like you drive a map and it gets accepted for your local medal or something like that or the times get edited too
@@SpecialTimeWithDaniel You are literally over-thinking it and wrong on so many fronts.
This is wild, considering I read somewhere that, once a version of Trackmania has "gone gold" (full public release), Nadeo _will not_ release any updates that alter the physics in any way, because _forward-compatible determinism,_ that you always have the same ability to beat a track at release as you do years later, was part of the brand identity of the series... along with needing to ensure future patches to the game still verify runs in an identical manner to the version the run was performed on. I wonder when their stance changed and was like "welp, let's fix what didn't need fixing and make old ice WRs literally frozen in time forever"...
the title was originally "My Dreams of Mayo Sliding are Broken Forever"
The title was in fact that I am the the dreams
the title was comment bots arent allowed on youtube
He should not only slide on the floor covered in mayo, he should SPEEDSLIDE across the floor while covered in mayo
@@dragazolt that's what I'm saying
The Mufat saga continues???
"I beat old Author times Undercover and nobody cared"
thanks for the translation google, trash ai
Mufat has moved from Türkiye to Malta. Huge lore update
bro tries his best to ignore riolu
Rightfully.
Real. Screw that guy.
@@iarmycombo5659 bro had the best commentary out of all trackmania creators ngl
@@iarmycombo5659 I like to believe he was possibly the best player.
But shame on him for cheating, unfortunately some things cannot be undone.
@@haabyalexis Low key he was the best player. He clearly didn't cheat in TOTD or competitions. I'm not sure why people cared so much. He kept so many people in the community because he was the best person to watch.
In my opinion trackmania should do the same thing what mario maker 2 did where the bug fixes and physics changes only apply to the tracks that were made after the update that way older maps don’t become impossible to get the author time
Some time ago, after watching Trackmania content on RUclips for a couple of years, I decided to play it myself and give it a try. So, as one does, I started playing the Training Campaign / Normal Campaign. After trying for over an hour to get the author-time on Training-02 and thinking to myself:
"you can't be this bad..."
"it's only a training map..."
"why are you so f***ing bad?!"
I quit.
😑
Now, 1-2 years later, I find out it was a skill issue, an "OK" skill issue...
Author medal is impossible, I’ve been playing TM2020 since launch, and before that I was playing TMNF, I never get any medals higher than a lucky gold, I just drive for bronzes 😂😂
You have to sink so many hours into the game to be good at it, I just don’t want to do that
Similar, I went for golds, but playing the free campaign that was available back in 2023 convinced me that's not the game for me. The grind is too much. It feels like gambling even watching someone like Wirtual playing at the highest level. It's an excellent game, just not for me.
when did mufat move from turkey to malta
I noticed that too
last week
Very happy to see a video covering this!
At one point I went back with the initial goal to try and clear out all the ATs. I remember complaining about summer 2020 - 10 after struggling massively lol. I just could not do it no matter how hard I tried. The few times I was able to get high enough for the final jump, I never got a clean landing on the downhill and never got even close to the AT (pb is 42.304) The biggest struggle was the exit from the ice wallride with speed, I just could not figure out how to do it without sliding out way too far right, even when trying to copy other's lines or inputs and trying over and over.
Good luck to anyone who tries to beat it!
I never ended up playing winter 2021 - 10, but I do have the AT on spring 2021 - 24. I don't like that map but at least it's long enough that you can make up for the loss in the start. And yes, I overjumped the finish at least once while on pace...
I wish nadeo for these older official tracks would keep the old physics on it so the ats are still possible. Or maybe at least redo the ats with the new physics
same having to drive an AT pace on a 2021 map to get a gold medal was no fun last week...
Nice video reminds me of the time I lost my girl to a 2003 Toyota Corolla
relatable
Can we have the story
Long story short: someone came by picked her up in the car and was never seen again
It may have been a white van but I remember a Toyota Corolla
@@Friantboyshe was abducted?
The Viva Piñata music around 5 and 6 minutes is giving me SOOOOO much nostalgia
so I'm not crazy, someone else noticed too! amazing memories with that game
7:12 Wirtual’s keyboard sounds matched with the music
seeing tracks like these make me curious about how different the times would be if these maps got updated along with the game updates to account for the constantly changing landscape of this game
I really want to see that video on the Training campaign. I straight up struggled to get the author medal for that number 2 track when I first downloaded the game and it really discouraged me from playing for a while.
I think they should have done the thing that they did in spear throwing, were after they change they just reset all world records. The furthest throw ever isn't the world record, because it's done with a spear that's literally against regulation today (in fact they changed it because that throw was so far it became dangerous. The guy threw right across the field onto the 400m track that goes around the field). If you make changes that big to the game I think the record should reset, since it's just not the same track anymore.
Exactly, it's so stupid that you're competing with people who aren't even driving the same track. And there isn't even any indication of that in the game.
@@galoomba5559 I would like some solution like a campaign patch where you change the times for them so that you can get an easier AT for old physics maps I needed to drive AT pace for a 2021 gold medal
You mean javelin, in normal track and field / athletics events like at the olympics?
I assume so based on the mention of the 400m track around the outside of the grass field.
Yes a javelin is sort of a spear, but the standard name for the event is javelin.
And yes, there should be some mechanism to separate old-physics records from new-physics records, at least on maps where it makes a difference.
@@Peter_Cordes well, at least in from german the literal translation would be spear throwing, i guess, thats why he didnt use javelin... didnt know it was called javelin either
@@SkyzzV_ - I wondered if it was a translation issue from some other language. That would make the most sense.
A native English speaker that knew enough about the event to cite facts like rule/equipment changes and the old records getting dangerous would know it was called javelin.
A javelin is basically a light spear optimized for throwing; in dungeons and dragons for example, it's on the list of weapons separate from spear (which can be thrown but is primarily a melee weapon).
This all makes so much sense, I’m a newer trackmania player and thought “I might as well start from the beginning” and literally every map shown and a few others I could just not get an author medal
4:02 I just got the craziest whiplash hearing the Viva Piñata music kick in, my brain recognized it instantly.
BRO YOU TOO???
I literally thought he did it first try without acknowledging it at 6:57 the transition was so smooth
It's crazy to me that older maps don't just run the older physics. Nintendo did it with Super Mario Maker with a few exceptions- most people never noticed, and the people who noticed appreciated it
I remember that they changed Spring 2021 - 24 in the middle of the campaign. I didn't have it yet, so I ended up having to put in a lot of effort and managed to get it anyway, even being a very much newer player at the time. I didn't even know gears did anything in this game until much later than that. I learned a lot (understatement) since then, but even if you're working at a deficit, dedicated practice can get you very far.
21:29 HE BECAME HANDSOME SQUIDWARD!!!
It’s right between 21:29 and 21:30 technically, but 21:29 is closer.
3:40 could you not slap me in the face with nostalgia. Jeeze the Jet Force Gemini music lol
It's awesome to see this!
I went back and did this, and posted about it on Reddit before. The ice tracks were SO HARD, especially the one where you can just barely jump over the road if you get perfect speed due to ice booster change.
The jet force gemini soundtrack at the start threw me into a nostalgia wormhole
Just so you know what you're getting into if you want to try to beat these AT's - prepare for total despair. Wirtual made it look way too easy but it surely won't be this easy for you.
Winter 2021 - 10 author medal took me 20+ hours total, I'd assume.
Summer 2020 - 10 was a little bit easier but that's still at least 10 hours wasted.
Spring 2021 - 24 was easy though, as in a normal black map.
You have been warned. I don't mean to discourage anybody but you gotta drop all your expectations for how long it's gonna take. Getting AT's on these maps can be compared to hunting for world records on the old-physics versions of them.
Good news is I've beaten these maps 1,5 years ago, back when driving on ice was slower than it is now. Still very, very tough AT's though.
I'm very proud of these runs but Nadeo absolutely should keep old physics for old maps every time they make an update. While I'm not a pro, I'm definitely an above average player. Now imagine a newbie stumbling upon a GREEN map that randomly has an absurd gold time compared to all the other maps, not even to mention the insane AT which is unachievable for 99,99% of the playerbase.
It's a huge scandal that they even changed physics without a proper solution in place for the problems it would inevitably cause. THEY DON'T CARE! So we need to make them care.
refusing to play riolu's record is peak
20:10 insanely clean editing cut indeed. Good job editor 👏
6:58 seamless transition, nice.
23:34 And I thought practicing the training campain is the thing to do 😲😳
Please make a video about it! 🙏🏼😃
Dude he did all three so quickly! I grinded all these tracks and got the author medals some time ago and each one took me 6+ hours
Ah yes, I too remember the days before Nadeo removed fun
Thank you for the video and the explanation on how to beat those, it is great for a person that just started and wants all medals in the old campaigns 😊
I recently got TrackMania and have been grinding the old campaigns. Had no idea how to get the Author times on these maps, this video is invaluable 🙏🏻 Thank you Wirt!
Was absolutely not expecting Jet Force Gemini music, wowzers, that's a trip.
MY GOD I THOUGHT I WAS GOING CRAZY.
I did indeed went back and try to fill my entire backlog with greens.
It would usually take me anywhere between 5 to 30 minutes to get AT's. But I would randomly get COMPLETELY and utterly stuck... on the exact maps you showed.
That clears a lot of confusion for me
I never thought of it but being able to watch a replay of an older physics engine imply that TrackMania have every version of their physics engine built-in. (replay just contains a series of steering angle and timestamp).
Is there a documented list of physics changes and if they impact for better or worse? Im going through old TOTD tracks and wondering if any of those are now much harder.
I actually asked for this in one of your previous videos. So, obviously you did this just for me :P
Thank you very much. This will definatly help me. 4 Ats missing right now. The broken map 10 twice and 2 from the campaign we have right now.
Omg tysm for showing they are still possible because its such a headache trying to get all ats on these maps as I only got club access now and Im aiming for all ats so again ty.
I would like to see comparisons on world records vs TAS with this physics.
7:00 Wow I did not expect to hear Conker music in a Wirtual video
Mufat is back!
Also I still think they should've tried doing something similar to Mario Maker, where they kept the physics for maps that have already been made like they were, and only updated them for new maps.
I actually found the wallride training map to be the hardest to get AT on (I just recently started playing). It has the most stupid "have to get it just right" feel of all of them IMO.
12:12 *soul sanctum intensifies*
yes! omg the nightmares came back
NO PLS LEAVE ME ALONE IM JUST PASSING THROUGH WHY AM I DEAD
Wirtual is Div 1 in avoiding taxes
I’m sorry, is that Viva Piñata playing during 6:00? That brings back some really great memories
Same! I had to stop and turn the volume up to hear it :D
Honestly, Nadeo should keep the old physics on old maps to make things fair. Just the official maps (incase its too difficult to do for _all_ old maps). If there is a way, then they should keep the old physics on such maps. It's only fair.
i swear the music is always perfectly timed on what ever streaming service he uses
I recently gave TM a try and went through the training campaign, and that dirt track slayed my soul until I really got the snap by chance. It was a satisfying moment of discovery, but replicating it took hours. So yeah, getting hit in the face in the very beginning with an insanely hard author time humbled my ego quickly.
I've tried tm 2020 recently, and after getting AT for the 10 free maps I've tried the training maps. The one you've show gave me so much troubles to get that damn AT. At least now i understand why it was so hard.
Hello Wirtual, I was wondering how you got your ingame camera like that, i dont like how my cam was focused on the car but yours when you ice slide is focused on the track itself. Thank you, love the vids
EDIT: I found the setting😑
Casually leaking Malta finally in a video is hilarious
He said he just moved to Sweden in the bonk cup stream 3 days ago
@@coldes97 u got baited hard lol
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@@philhcks8257 why would he lie about that lol
@@gaemeer895 He's joked about moving there before, and Mufat is a troll account. Same thing as ligma but for "my fat nuts"
Wirtual you are under no obligation to remember all the lines of all the tracks you've ever played. I'm pretty sure most players barely remember even one map they played a season ago until they drive it again and muscle memory kicks in. There's nothing to forgive, you're just human like all of us.
what? he is not a gigabrain mastermind that remembers every bit of track he ever played by heart??? I'm disappointed 😢
what do you think of the possibility that the maps retain whatever physics they were created on? That way the older maps are still beatable as intended and the newer ones eliminate complications. I don't know how viable this option is from a developer's perspective but I do think that it would make the game much more fun to play for people who are hunting maps or just exploring maps from across the years
I think patching the times to change the ATs to make it more accessible would be better the WR stays the same unbeatable but players that want to get the older ATs because they were not able to play them on time or had to wait for a better laptop (like me) or were just not interested in official campaigns but played around with the editor this would be a nice change I mean they even axed standard access and set down the price of Club but change the times with a physics update was not part of the plan?
@@acesw6124 - That's a good idea.
Just changing ATs for old maps after physics updates doesn't do anything to fix the WR leaderboard problems, but it does fix the AT difficulty problem and should be easy to do.
(Unlike having different physics for different maps; much of the physics is probably hard-coded into the game. Maybe some of it is parameters that could be loaded on a per-map basis, but others might be just how the source code works. So you'd need either loadable chunks of executable code, or rewrite the source to make more stuff conditional, which would be harder to maintain and test, and would run slower.)
@@acesw6124 But world records remain unbeatable. Some maps are trophies like a-01 and midori. If maps retain the physics they were generated in, it makes the world record accessible too.
The reason why they didn't do it is obvious, because this solution is obvious. They just didn't care enough to spend a few more weeks/months to make this possible. Management didn't. Developers didn't. Designers didn't. Nobody cared.
They quite literally chose the laziest solution to the problem from the architecture perspective as they simply patched "a bug" and ignored the consequences. Maybe they actually want this. When your sub ends you keep the old maps, but if they don't work anymore they might've figured out consumer may be more likely to buy the subscription again. It doesn't have to be true, if someone got a bonus/raise because of that, that is enough, and they keep doing it again and again.
Man, I love the new Trackmania, but controversial decisions and general lack of care for important stuff just prevent me from throwing money at the yearly subscription anymore.
@@araarathisyomama787 that last paragraph I fully agree with and just putting Blue-Black tracks behind more than a skill wall is another reason next to not having a way to get a datapack for older maps to have old ice physics is another why I will not renew my subscription that will end this month. I have more fun in the editor than COTD anyways Clubs I will miss... a little theres still trackmania exchange
the game should keep the old physics versions around and switch to the correct physics based on the creation date of the map.
Wait why is riolu still on the leaderboard wasn’t he involved in the slow motion cheating scandal
im pretty sure nadeo never found proof of him cheating in tm2020 so he was never banned, he just quit
It's just someone that acted as him. Theres videos explaining it
he cheated in the prequel games
@@rorycannon7295 I am aware of that but how is he not banned from 2020 if he is banned on NF And other ones
@@FredLootLlama123 its nadeos policy to not ban individuals
Please upload to the main channel😭
This is the main channel dude
That's exactly what he's doing
What do you mean? This is the main channel.
@@kellenthemelon226 no it ain't cuh, the main channel is just Wirtual, not Wirtual TV
@@kellenthemelon226 true dat
Things like this are why I wish they'd do like Mario Maker, where old maps are tied to the physics of when it was released (in Trackmania's case I assume tied to the date of validation run). With enough time the community would be used to it, and there could just be a warning that the map has different physics applied. Instead we're left with maps with either much harder or even impossible ATs after the updates (even if not the official campaign maps, some TOTD maps are notorious for this).
impossible ATs for players who are not YTers and get frustrated by the grind because they could not play before the physics changes.
that viva pinata music hit me like a brick fucking wall at 4:15
The idea that Trackmania physics change (I don't care if they consider it a bugfix) just baffles me.
spring 2021 - 24 is my personal flex, people's reactions are funny when you say you got the AT on it.... AFTER the patch.
If I shouldn’t use the training campaign, what should I use to train?
Good question come back tomorrow
But no one can break ur mayo slide, go for it!
Let's look at the WR!
1. R̶i̶o̶l̶u̶-̶T̶M̶
2. Hefest - Watch how Hefest just dominates this run.
LOL I love it.
shoutout to buckley for adding the green timer
Who played jet force gemini ? That music in the beginning brought back so much memory though.
21:30 1 min 13.372 was wirtuals way of saying i leet too
I see you Buckley with the Jet Force Gemini | Main theme
HOLY SHIT IS THAT JET FORCE GEMINI THEME?!??!?!!? GOATED
It's really dumb that Nadeo doesn't have a "versioning" system for game physics so that old maps always play with the physics that were active at that time. They should make the changes only apply to _new_ maps going forward, instead of wrecking old maps!
Too complicated for them xd
12:11 The time skip here is crazy good!
Are you for real?! Yesterday I've watched a "Jet Force Gemini" 100% run after randomly thinking of it because I loved it as a kid. Now I click on this and BAMM JFG menu music in my face. What the hell is this? Am i going insane?
Wait wait wait, I spend hours trying to get training 02 author medal, are you telling me that one is broken!? I got 7.138 before i gave up.
Are other training maps broken? Where should I start instead as a beginner?
I started playing Trackmania and made the mistake of starting all the way back, wanting to beat all the official Tracks from the beginning (not author but gold). I hoped you would drive one specific track "the Wormhole". I could for the life of me not finish this track because there is a jump where you seem to need the old yellow boost speed to make a jump. Can you tell me if the map is even still possible to finish?
Super Mario Maker 2 saves the physics version for every level, so that even if the physics get updated, it's only for new levels and old ones stay the same. Trackmania should do the same!
as a new player who tried the training maps and felt lost. what should i play to learn? its a very daunting game
Man I miss those old seasons after the release of the game :( Everything was so much simpler!
I spent so long grinding summer 2020 map 10 before I realised the physics must just be different
Sucks because it’s actually a really fun track
OMFG I have been playing this campaign recently and COULD NOT figure out how they got that jump lol. Thanks for the heads up!
Why did they have to change ice tires boost? Does it has anythign to do with that ice wobbling "fix"?
honestly a group should go through all the official maps find the ones with problems cause of physics changes and give the full list to nadeo to artificially go in and fix the author times
18:46 Bro’s forgetting to give the advice
I really wish they went back and redid these author times or kept old physics for old maps, I tried to go back and do all of the old author medals just to get stuck with summer 2020 - 10 basically right after I started
i wonder if its possible for the 2020 map 10 to get perfect speed and catch a bug slide on the dirt and fling yourself into the finish
I had been wishing and even asking for a guide for these medals for a long time, would really love to try to play versus the Mufat ghost if possible!
I'm surprised those ghosts don't desync... But I'm also surprised Nadeo doesn't version the physics. ...and the training campaign... suffice to say, there's a lot of decisions Nadeo makes that I don't understand. >_>
the ice booster thing is literally the tm equivelant of the wave 4 balance patch
Nadeo have to apply old physic on old map it's just the best thing they can do
this is a really good video because i just paid for the game and i was seriously struggling with summer 2020 times. now i know its the game that was patched to hell. excellent video
bro just fully ignores riolu, goated.
Poor summer campaign was left out from the beginning 😢
Man, the number of videos I've watched recently that have HK music is really high
the video has been out for 32 seconds and i have watched the entire thing 17 times in a row and can now comment that it is indeed a quality video 👍