Pilots Go Around Too Late
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- Опубликовано: 27 окт 2023
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British Airways Airbus A320 late go around decision
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Cessna Caravan hard landing with tailstrike
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After all these years, I still love flying the 757.
I can't wait to fly on it again in December. I LOVE THAT PLANE!!!! ❤
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IT'S NEVER TOO LATE TO GO AROUND ! 😉
If the reverse thrust is not activated, go-around remains possible after touchdown.
Totally agreed.
However in this case, it's not obvious why the go around from an outside view. It's a hard landing, yes, but early on the runway, spoilers deployed, etc... The spoilers deployed for a few seconds indicate that the go around was initiated after a few second on the ground. So it's hard to tell why they have gone around with the aircraft apparently safe on the ground.
I can only see 2 reasons :
1. runway incursion further down the runway (invisible on the video)
2. training flight with no intent to do a full stop.
There is no place where a runway incursion would happen later down the runway. And there is no way in hell, that you would do a training flight into LIS with the intent of a go-around or touch and go. The go around in the case of the BA seems a bit unnecessary.
@@GyrisCap there are a lot of places for a runway uncursiosns
We can't see the runway alignment of the plane. If your mains cross the the centerline the book says "go" and do it better next time.
@@jimmiller5600 That's also what I thought. It can be a training but it doesn't have to be a training necessarely. If they can't maintain centerline properly or even can't confirm that the aircraft will stay on the ground properly, they have to go around. It can take 10 seconds to relalize that the directionnal control is not ensured or that the aircraft refuses the ground. The Pilot Flying will use the reverse thrust only when ensured that full stop landing can be done for this reason.
I've flown 100s of times, but every time I hear the thrust reduction, my bloods runs cold - think the engines have packed up Stupid, but there you are 😢
Once you are stable you don’t need full power. Also there are speed limits at certain altitudes. Thrust reduction is completely normal. Finally, a passenger airplane can fly with only 1 engine if the other one fails.
Wouldn’t it be scary if you needed to go full power to stay airborne?
@@MBL2210Exactly… also once the airplane achieved V1 (in simple words, seconds before taking off), one of the engines can fail and the airplane can still come back and land safely.
@@mbvallim I'm just tryna calm our homie haha
Used to scare me every time out of Long Beach, cutting engines do to noise restrictions.
Most likely, the go around was called just before the relatively hard touchdown. As long as thrust reversers aren’t deployed, you can still go around. Also, once you begin a go around, you follow through with it.
Not likely, as the spoilers were deployed for several seconds. This indicates that the thrust levers were at or near idle. The point where the spoilers retracted again is where the thrust levers were moved.
I could do the whole 3 minutes of that last one with the 757-200 departure in the early morning. Extremely Gorgeous and love the sound.
love the sound.? super annoying.
@@storytimewithunclekumaran5004To each his own.✌🏻
One of the most unique sounds in aviation is the sound of a 757 with Roll-Royce engines on it. It is a sound that is known quite well, and if you find it annoying are you even an aviation fan?@@storytimewithunclekumaran5004
I love the sound of a C-5 Galaxy taking off.
As an ex-USAF jet eng mechanic, I totally agree!
2:18 I love the buzzsaw sound of big turbofans at full thrust. That's the fan blade tips breaking the sound barrier.
That’s what that noise is on the plane? Really? That’s cool!
I was curious, thanks! I've heard this sound before but I feel like not on every flight.
That A350 HUD is just so cool
0:57 apart from the pitch up, that was quite a smooth landing!
Good there were no passengers 😂
@AbductedbyAliens58it was a cargo plane...?
Appalling landing technique on that B767..
Nothing smooth about that poor technique. ..
I remember my first flight and the engine sound suddenly reducing after take off. i thought we lost the engines and that was it.
Till date i'm very surprised at how cool and composed i was , thinking that freaking out wouldn't change anything about the situation. better to go out proudly like a man !!
Cessnas freak me out enough as is lol. If people could fly tin cans, Cessna comes to my mind.
The thrust reduction sound always sparks a second of unease in me. Like the sound of engines turning off 😅 that sunrise while above the clouds is gorgeous
Pipers freak me out a lot.
Hearing a significant thrust reduction on just one of the Cherokee or Piper Cub Rolls Royce power plants drives me to the point where I start squealing like a Cessna 150 stall warning alarm.
Love your content, thank you for putting these out.
That final clip of the departure from SFO was at sunset to the west, not sunrise.
Is anyone else pretty sure that Cessna caravan stalled (its left wing) right before it touched down? Sure looked like it. That wing dropped super fast.
That cessna... practically smashed the wing into the ground as well despite the high wing design 🙈
Great catches! Nice video!
Great video!!
That’s crazy that Cessna stalled onto the runway
Yep! Fabulous, ain't it?
😁
2:02 nothing like stalling onto the runway ❤
"Go around. Go around. GO AROUND"
"nope"
"ok"
"GOING AROUND"
yes but why ? After the hard landing and a few second on the ground with spoilers deployed, the aircraft was safe on the ground. So why the go around ?
@@n666eoI’m sure there’s any number of reasons; speed too high to safely stop, instability of the landing, high winds, etc. The spooling up of the engines on these planes is not immediate, so it’s likely their decision to do a go around was made even before the wheels touched the runway.
@@OwnedByACatNamedC.C. : I'm sure there is a good reason. I'm just surprised because in 99.9% of go around, the reason can be guest, not in this case.
The spooling up is not immediate, but the retractation of spoilers is (at least very short). And the spoilers stayed out for 5 seconds with the aircraft on the ground, which means it took 4 to 5 seconds on the ground to the crew to decide to go around.
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Nice video
I may look silly, but, if the BA A320 had already safely touched down, why did the pilots continue with the go-around?
The pilots must have determined that they couldn’t safely land in time before the end of the runway and if thats the case its always best to just go around than risk injuries if you do overshoot.
@@londontransporter they are on the ground well before the touchdown markers. I would hope they didn't try to land on a runway too short for the aircraft (also, we know this runway 21 at Lisbon, which is more that 3km long...). So the landing was safe.
The only reason I can see for this go around is a runway incursion down the runway.
I think they had a bounce or something and didn’t feel confident
Could’ve been anything, really
2:20 I didn’t realize the sun started to rise in the West sky? This is SFO, runway 1R, north departure. This point of view is the left side and would be facing west. This is a SunSET not SunRISE.
Good video
That Caravan didn't just tail strike - left wingtip too and the left main gear took quite a thump. I'm guessing a trip to the workshop and a whole lot of x-ray / ultrasonic examination followed 😬😬
Fan buzz, fan blade tips going supersonic at high power settings, they stop when cruising.
Good touch and go👍
Cessna wind shear.
Beautiful clouds 👍👍
Buenísimo👏👏
Nice
I live a KM north of the Runways 11L/R for KFAT, my first cup of morning coffee at 6AM sees an American Airlines 737, a SWA 737, an Alaska Airlines RJ and the morning FedEx 767 and UPS 757 depart. All in less than 10 minutes.
It's only a late go-around if it runs out of runway ;)
I love the response to the Cessna 😳😗💨
epic!
The BA a320 pilot was like:
Nahh, this landing was not butter enough, I'm gonna give another shot!!
Imagine you're a topgun - flying off CVN carriers and engaging Iranian MiGs in your Tomcat then you retire and 6 months later, your muscle memory still sharp, you get a job flying the Airbus with its swanky new headsup display. You'd be trying smoke enemy Air Somalia 737s and shoot down bogies at 2 o'clock only to find out it was a TUI Dreamliner heading for TFS with a full compliment of old age pensioners (with AK47s)!!
Looks like the Air France A-350 was taking off from KBOS (Logan Airport, Boston MA).
Cessna landing, clearly Aerosucre expanding their service to more... um... 'secret' air strips. Overloaded AF as always. Gotta get the goods there asap, amigo.
😂 gotta love the cartel airline boys
Rr and 757, iconic combi
It was a P&W B757....United!
@@daftvader4218 no way. Look at the RR logo on the engine
@@singel09 You are RIGHT..
That is not a United -200 as 3mins states... which has P&W but a 757 -300 with RR...
Winglets !!!!
Well done !!!
Looking on my phone
@@singel09 Hi
I am STILL wrong!!
All B757 now have winglets
save 5%fuel and reduce wake.
My knowledge is about 30 years old when I used to fly RR B 757 with no winglets. .
All those planes are probably in the desert...
My apologies.
All the best
The 206 "landing" was a crash landing requiring extensive & crazily expensive inspections & repairs if needed. You could easily rack up a bill of 50k or better
I never want to go through that ever again
how does the HUD stay synced up with the camera?
Only think i thought i heard on radio i presume he ment military aircraft something about tornado behind Im not sure what ATC were refering to
It is never too late to go around unless you have deployed your reversers 😉
2:00 that Cessna landing feels so chaotic, it almost seems like it's coming in hot but then it tip stalls right before touching down? Was it overloaded or something?
Maybe a density altitude error. Scary.
That pilot didn’t land, they fell with style
2:18 Is that a crack in the engine mount? Is it oil leaking out? Either way I'd be concerned as a passenger!😲😁👍😎✌🗽
The go around is a must. The plane is falling down like a rock, and without go around, the plane will likely bounce, or even lead to a collapsed landing gear.
It is smart for pilot to increase thrust, so the momentum is pushed forwards, and less stress is put on the landing gear. Nothing wrong in the video, in terms of pilot maneuver
It’s actually a very tough decision. It’s very compelling to pilots to just land already if you’re all the way there. Only in few seconds you have to decide.
Curious why the BA would do a go around... looked like a normal touchdown?
I genuinely thought that Royal Air Morocco had some serious typos, and had to check it up to confirm it's Royal Air Maroc!
The smell of rubber came here 😅😅
The first one wasn't a late go around.. the pilot thought he could've had an controlled landing but due to the windy conditions he had to pick up back speed and go lift off again
Cessna passenger to pilot, Have we landed or did we crash?
I love the 75s...sports car of the sky!
huh, french airbus and QNH in inch, why not HPa?
Anybody else notice how Boeing aircraft seems to have more engine noise and resonance intrusion into the cabin? Airbus on the other hand have quieter engines but noisier pumps and hydraulics.
Did that 757 hit tail on takeoff?
"I'm gonna go around and try it again."
"But we're on the ground."
"I know, but my OCD compels me to try it again to grease it."
1:50 - are those anti-laser filters?
No, those are Head Up Displays (HUD)
The late go around one, does anybody know why in this situation the pilots still decide to go around while the plane seems to be landed and in stable condition? I have seen a couple of similar go arounds and wonder why?
My best guess is that when go around is initiated it cannot be aborted and there is a delay for the engine to respond to the go around original command.
Yes there's a gap between the TO/GA command and the engine revs up, but it's relatively small! Considering the time that it stays on the ground, probably the pilot initiated the go around just a second before he touched down because the spoilers were not deployed! The reason is unknown, but it could be everything, even an ATC order!
@@MyNotSoHumbleOpinion Thanks for your reply and explanation 🌺
@@MyNotSoHumbleOpinion Downfield runway incursion seems possible.
That Caravan has the opposite of a soft field landing
it's never too late for a go around
The RAM pilot was just practicing their soft field landings.
I'm curious about the Pilot's HUD. Do they think it's more helpful than traditional methods of using instrument panels or do they find it not so helpful? I only ask because I've seen some pilots say in reference to flying they will only fly Boeing because they don't like the Side Stick on Airbus. I would imagine it would be the senior veteran pilots more than newer ones. I just wonder though if they like aviation innovation and the direction it's heading to.
I've flown with HUD on small planes. The simple fact that you can keep you eyes outside, and during approach, that your aiming point is actually shown in real time on the landscape, is just amazing. Hand flying is a lot more natural with a HUD for me.
@@n666eo That is interesting I wasn't aware smaller planes were using HUD as well. Do you fly a Lear or Cessna style plane?
Which pilots do you speak to? 1930s or 1940s?
@@RJSAMCRO It was on an experimental aircraft, quite similar to a Vans. It's very very not common in this kind of aircraft. But it was a very interesting experience !
I’ve been flying with a HUD since 2001. A lot of pilots refused to switch, but finally the FAA requires them to use the hud during training. Suddenly a lot of my coworkers regret not switching earlier to the HUD.
It’s way more helpful. I barely look down and the regular displays. More importantly, you have your eyes outside at all times.
I think Boeing and Airbus are installing HUDs on their latest aircraft, because too many of the younger generation keep their focus inside 100% of the time. You can actually see it on all these RUclips videos how pilots go “inside” while the airplane is still on the ground.
A "too late" go-around usually results in a crash.
I've never seen an A320 do a touch and go before!
I believe circuits is mandatory with an Airbus type rating. On occasion I’ve seen A380’s in the circuit as the pilots get practice.
Accidentally read Royal Air Maroc as "Ryan Air Maroc."
❤❤❤
mmmm RB211
On the BA A320, reversers hadn't deployed they'd had a bounce, go around was the correct option.
I'm not sure about this one. The aircraft has been on the ground with spoilers deployed for 5 seconds, before the go around was initiated. I would have agreed if the spoilers went down just after the very small bounce. But 5 seconds later, with the aircraft rolling safely, is a bit long...
TOGA! TOGA! TOGA!
That pilot broke the left landing gear strut on that C208.... 🤦🏽♂️
0:22
Everyone on that plane is 1 inch shorter, now.
Touch and go
Good channel but again? Why the odd caption?
do 757-200 has a rolls royce engines?
Delta has PR American has RR and most others have a mix the PR engines are also the same ones on the C 17
@@ronparrish6666 This is a United -200 with P&W engines. .
About 80 % of B757's have RR engines.
I believe most B757 have RR...
The A320 seemed to be empty, maybe a training go around?
Is it just me? The video quality must be 480, max. I don’t have the option to change it.
That Cessnas probably fine. They didn’t drop it on the nose and a tail strike like that isn’t a huge deal in a Cessna. Definitely needs to go into maintenance for an inspection though.
No, that left landing gear is bent or even broken. Will need serious work before it flies again.
@@Nickdevro "Bent or even broken" I don't see it...
The main gear on Cessnas like that is built to take a landing hard enough to bottom out the fuselage. It's probably fine.
There is nothing like the sound of an RB211 at take off power. Music to my ears.
And knowing the pilot of that bush pilot, he probably got more people on and went right back up in the air.
Not gonna lie, the BA looked like a great example of an airliner touch and go, flew the nose wheel above the ground the whole time 😅
A touch and go involves retracting the flaps to take off position on the runway. ..
This is just a go around with the wheels just sinking on to the runway .
Not unusual.
Cessna tipstalled. I did not know they can tipstall like that.
I’m guessing that the BA A320 did the baulked landing because of the lack of flare and heavy landing. However, there should be more than enough runway remaining to complete the landing in such a small aircraft. They made the decision and stuck with it.
It was windshear mate.
@@Jwc77766- it wasn’t. There just wasn’t much of a flare and they dumped it on the runway.
If they suffered windshear that late in the landing then it would be safer to continue with the landing and not go around.
Episode: Bouncing around and a barking Rolls Royce.
It is not unusual for the wheels to touch the runway on a go around.......does not mean a late go around especially when performing a low visibility approach.
It all depends when the decision to go around was made....
There is no such thing as a LATE go around. ..
Just a go around !!!
I experienced one of those once
Long story short, that airport was previously for military activities only, and it was made slightly bigger to handle commercial aircraft. The terrain is pretty rough, and the weather isn’t the best. Not to mention the runways are relatively tiny so even the most experienced pilots do at least 3 go-arounds during landing. One of those go-arounds happened to be a bit late…
That Caravan landing was pitiful, and probably didn't do any damage.
In the BA A320 clip, You can always go around but they are late to do that
Dang very late
Cessna just performed a controlled crash!
757 engines still the best sound in aviation
Sadly, no Aerosucrae
First one is hydraulic system failure
First time I've seen a British Airways do a touch and go. Well done!
As someone who hears every sound in the plane, that thrust reduction creeps me out every time. I'm like, what happened, did we lose an engine, are we falling, etc.
Saw this after I'd just said much the same thing. Glad I'm not the only person who feels like this.
Same here
After hundreds of flights, it still gets me every time. It just feels wrong 😅
I LOVE that gritty RB211 sound.
United had P&W engines on their B 757..
You expert you !!
No "gritty" noise at all.
@@daftvader4218 so whats with the Rolls Royce badge on the engine?! And the fact that all remaining United 757 are RR powered? You expert you !!
@@MrSchwabentier Oops...you are totally correct.
My small phone screen !!
I didn't even notice that logo..
I apologise! !
I am 30 years out of date and did not realise it.
In the 1980's I used to fly RR 757-200 with no winglets.
All the United 757 were P&W.
I then thought 3Mins was wrong!!
With winglets it must be a -300 which United have with RR engines.
I now realise that ALL 757 were fitted with winglets to save 5%fuel and reduce wake...
My apologies. ..
You are the modern expert !
All the best.
That go around its more of a touch and go
When do you think my video will get on there @3MinutesofAviation
if that Cessna had been 10 feet higher when his left wing dipped, it would have been way uglier
2:20 - GTFO of san fran as fast as possible! good job!
@ 2:03 "Hard Landing" = S**t landing.