Setting up a VPN like this was my first thought as well, but I realised that the best solution was to cancel the subscription all together. I hope more people do the same and Netflix will see that they made a mistake.
--- To elaborate: In many places distribution of illegal copies is punishable. Just using / experiencing the non-official-copy is "grey-area"; personal back-up-copies are fully safe-zone, in majority of world that is. ---
@@Atherax speak for yourself,I have netflix currently and I plan to cancel the day they roll this out. Even if Im interested in workarounds I dont intend to support their choices
I love the fact that netflix does this during a financial crisis while many people are already cutting down on extras and accounts they don’t really need. Considering how terrible most of Netflix’ original catalog actually is…they’re gonna get a taste of actual red numbers. They haven’t seen anything yet
The reason they are having to do this now is because of the financial crisis, their pockets are hurting more than ever. People are cutting back and sharing subscriptions and resorting to other methods, all of which is losing Netflix money. I personally cut back from paying full price for the top subscription in my country to paying for that subscription via another country for much cheaper, resulting in me paying around 10-11 less per month. I already run my own Plex and have considered multiple times just dropping Netflix completely, it's not like I'll be missing the content anyway. I only really keep it around as a convenience and a way to avoid needing more hard drive space, but with all the price increases (even in the cheaper country I subscribe to which has seen two increases in the space of a year) I will probably ditch it at some stage.
Absolutely. Every company in the world is trying to push their crisis-costs on to the consumers. Be it tomatoes at the supermarket doubling in price due to crazy fuel costs - or netflix subs going up. we're being dumped on by businesses everywhere. Those right at the bottom carry the entire crisis on their shoulders. And the further down you are, the more weight you carry. I don't know about you, but I'm going to quit one stupid streaming service before I stop eating tomatoes. I hope they are aware of that big picture.
Nope, their stocks are growing. people just accepted it already. Why would they even lose subs? If you got one on your own, you lost nothing, just the people who already didn't have one. Some of them will buy an account and they will make money in the end
@@faranume1147 People can’t afford to keep it and Netflix is a luxury. If Netflix force people to purchase their own account, people are even less likely to want to keep it. I know plenty of people that share Netflix accounts as it’s just too expensive for people to pay for the full sub on its own. Also they lost a ton of subs, google it.
@@sulylunat lol keep believing that these poor multi billion dollar companies are suffering cause of the financial crisis like us. They are raking in profits left, right and center yet charge us even more just like oil/gas companies
I remember when Netflix said that they had to be more compelling than piracy, not more compelling than other streaming services to be really successful. They kind of forgot about that.
I do not really understand the appeal of watching netflix. In my opinion all those sites make you want to watch more and more stuff that you normally would not care about and waste away (same as youtube). And if there is something I really want to watch I'd rather download it and if I want to support the creator ill either buy the digital or physical copy.
Netflix never said that. The internet communities and news said that. Netflix has always been extremely greasy profit-driven scumbags that only care about taking more money from customers and offering the shittiest service possible.
Good, I hope they are. It was a stupid decision that will hopefully come back to bite them. I cancelled my account as soon as this came into affect. Plex server go brrr
honestly, what they deserve is for people to downright cancel and go to full on piracy again. It's not just a Netflix issue. They all wanted a share of the pie and what was once convenient is now more hassle than pirating downright, and a lot more expensive that it use to due to everything being spread out across multiple platforms...
With the fragmentation of the streaming marketplace, I know more and more people turning to piracy. It was one thing to have, say, a Netflix and Hulu account and be able to watch what I wanna watch. Now I can have Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon Prime... and still not have half of what I want to watch, because it's also on HBO Max, Paramount Plus... By the time I have enough streaming services to get what I want, I'm paying more than I would be if I just went back to paying for actual cable TV.
I had a Netflix account because the kids used it a lot. I rarely did. When they moved out, we kept the account just to give them a bit of a financial break when they were starting out on their own. When the new policy was announced, I decided that it was not worth my while to keep the account and worked out a termination date that was mutually agreeable but well short of the termination date. Turns out that neither of them saw any great value in Netflix any more so, regarding us, Netflix is now minus one account. They would still be collecting a monthly fee if they had left well enough alone. As with most economic decisions like this, they saw their service as maybe more highly valued by the customer than it really was.
I think allot of people closed their account after this because they lost a ton of subscriptions. They announce stopping account sharing (After promoting they allow it years before hand) around the time people have less money due to financial crisis and as soon as other streaming services start blowing up. They really aren't the smartest of companies when they built it on loans and now are squeezing the customer for more cash when there is plenty of other and better imo options. Prime for example offers more then just TV when you get ndd on most Amazon products. And the catalog on prime is a wider range in content. Disney has better selection for family movies to watch with the kids. Netflix only has a handful of good shows and even those are being cut back on.
Similar here. I pay for Netflix, but I run my own Plex Server, so rarely use it. But my mum uses it as well, coz Plex is being a bitch for remote viewing. I'm fine with this as it means that sub isn't just wasted cash each month as I will sometimes go for months at a time without watching any shows, much less Netflix ones. But if Netflix doesn't want that business, I'll happily drop them. Not like I'll be losing out on anything given how little I use it already.
@@mOTHgOBLIN it's sad cause all Netflix needs to do is at least try to compete and they'd have the respect of consumers and folks wouldn't be dropping them like a hot potato
If Netflix continues password sharing, they will 100% go out of business. Just tell your family/friends to pay for a Netflix subscription or pay it for them if they're broke.
without those dollars there will not be anymore streaming. I thought americans understood capatilism. supply and demand. they supply the content and demand a few bucks to enjoy. easy
I picked option B. I cancelled it before the next renewal. After 12 years, countless price increases, they finally figured out how to make me stop paying them. Cottage country people in Ontario like me are not going to be happy being extorted to use the service they already overpay for.
@@davidsucesso2419 They were probably going to do it if password sharing didn't exist. They're a corporation, if it's not making more than last year, it's a problem.
@@japroject1 that's the problem with capitalist companies, their greed is infinate. There ALWAYS has to be growth even if their companys growth has plateaued
@@davidsucesso2419 I agree with YOU. BUT, what other people are saying is indeed true. This loose usage of streaming was one of the key "selling points" of Netflix.
@@DotHacker99 That's sadly the case with all major corporations; no growth is like losing money to them. They cannot settle for "the service we provide is sustainable and profitable, there's no need to expand it or hike its price". Whether it's continuously increasing costs in hardware (many GPUs and smartphones are well over 1K now) or software (DLC in video games and more recently increases in the base game's cost) they keep chasing the infinite growth that only exists in the shareholders' wet dreams.
You should do a video about the return of Blockbuster. Streaming services have proliferated SO MUCH, and raised their prices SO MUCh, that a brick-and-mortar store that lets you rent movies actually sounds super attractive.
My favorite part about Netflix doing this is they seem to have a major revenue problem over there, but they are plugging entirely the wrong holes. Password sharing steals $0 of revenue from them, but making users decide that it’s not worth the trouble for the expense they pay absolutely is. The service should be easier and less risky to use than pirating, not harder and more risky, and half of their problem stems from their inability to keep their own content going for longer than a single season.
It definitely steals more than $0 from them. I personally know several people, myself included, that haven't paid for Netflix because sharing an account was free. There's no way we're the only ones.
@@VintageFenrir It isn't their money if they were not given it in the first place. this is insinuating they deserve the money simply bc there's multiple people attached to a single account. Which they don't deserve, nor is anyone responsible to quit account sharing and pay money to Netflix. Stealing money would be if they could have gotten that money in the first place, if someone is account sharing they either can't afford it or don't want to pay for Netflix, which means Netflix would have never got that money in the first place. Company actions like this is what just leads to people circumventing these measures, and people pirating. It's a direct cause-effect relationship, and it's always because of shitty business decisions. Anytime a streaming service or cable has done something stupid, or something that made it less convenient for people, people turned to piracy, i.e., the most convenient option. It isn't our job to respect companies, it's their job to put consumers first, because without us they don't earn money. If they don't have our best interests in mind when making decisions, they don't deserve money.
tailscale actually uses wireguard to connect you, they just make it several times easier to setup and connect to. same security, slightly different visuals, and much more noob friendly setup.
one potential issue is that CDNs like Cloudflare have started to detect VPNs based on the lower MTU of encapsulated packets and measuring packet timings. if lots of people start doing this then Netflix will start doing the same, and solving that is certainly not noob friendly
The solution is to cancel the membership when this directly affects you. If it hurts enough people, then it will be reversed by netflix. If not then people can follow along and rejoin netflix, or not.
I hope Netflix feels some pain after this change, absolutely insane idea that we can't let become a normal streaming service practice. I share accounts across multiple services with my parents and siblings (we each pay for a different one, works great) I don't think any of us have a computer we always leave on for use as a VPN server so we are just going to drop Netflix when this goes live
Lol, that was funny to me too but it should be fine if the VPN traffic is limited to a VLAN on your home network that doesn't have any access to other devices on your local home network. It's definitely not noob friendly to set all of this up so we're gonna need Anthony to teach us how to set this up
Actually a self hosted VPN was the first idea that came to my mind, too, all together with similar security threats and possible options to prevent them in mind.
A small tip for WireGuard and OpenVPN: make sure you're configuring the clients to use full tunnel VPN in order for the Public IP to match the server's, and not split tunnel.
What’s really interesting is that traffic used for authentication and location data is easily differentiated from traffic that’s used for actual streaming. After a bit of clever tunneling I was able to get Netflix to work by spiting this traffic and not having to back haul a ton of stream traffic to a secondary end point.
+Chris Kader I on the other hand, after a bit of going to my computer, turning it on, and opening a certain Swedish site with Jolly Roger as their logo, got my shows and movies pretty quickly. I honestly would not even pirate 99% of Netflix shows, let alone pay for them. On top of all of that, they give some content to US users, and not to me, even though I used to pay as much as you or anyone else did. Now I get the same shows everyone gets + the ones from other services, for free, and no one is limiting me, tracking my location and shows I watch, nor do they have access to my credit card, nor they're selling my data to Google and everyone else. Almost as if they want me to go to this particular Sweedish website.
The thing with that is that it's possible for this to change in the future. If you tunnel *all* Netflix traffic back to your "home" address, it's unlikely that they can come up with a solution, but otherwise they might patch up exploits like yours that rely on certain design flaws.
Tailscale should allow you to configure routes and make split tunnel mode. So only Netflix goes through that tunnel And all other traffic goes through your web..
@@Ruben-il2ub what if netflix goes so draconian to the point they make other sites give them ips to try to crack down on that and see a device has 2 different ips at the same or similar times? not that in to tech but couldnt this happen (probably not legally since user data and all that)
@@ImprovisedAngel If the Netflix app manages to bypass the tunnel (or abuse leaking DNS) and sees that it is being routed through a VPN it could happen, but that would require basically installing a rootkit on the system to mess with drivers and network interfaces which would almost certainly be illegal. If companies that offer such services have internal connections with Netflix to team up against the consumer that's another issue.
It's a good feature and tbh it probably has it, but the point here is for the system to be as simple as possible. We may be able to configure it ourselves, but a relative living far away might not have the same know how. It's a compromise between function and simplicity.
@@Ruben-il2ub that would work, but you would need to setup a static route as well on the subnet router. Otherwise it would just dump that traffic onto the LAN and nobody would respond since none of them are Netflix.
@@Pat1711 They got hacked a few days ago and both this channel an one other had videos being deleted en mass. It was because of a Session Token on one of their employee's workstations.
@@Pat1711The Tech tips channel was hacked and everything went postal..What - you don't have four hours to stay up to date via the WAN show? Edit: I was joking about the WAN show - it takes me days to get through it all but the latest one is awesome..
I've been waiting for someone to tell people this. A self hosted VPN was the first thing that came to my mind when Netflix first said they would crack down on password sharing
All this work and having a dedicated PC running 24/7 may end up costing more in electricity. Plus now you have all that data coming in and out. People on data caps(talking about you Comcast) could easily blow past their data limits.
@@I.C.Weiner I can't believe American ISPs still have data caps. Even the worst ISP in the UK has unlimited access. But yeah this is only possible for certain people
@@I.C.Weiner "All that data coming in and out" is nothing more than the data already coming out when you are watching Netflix at home. So if the data cap is too restrictive, how were people using Netflix before that?
I'd imagine Netflix wouldn't crack down on this. They have to know that anyone technically capable enough to set this up is also perfectly capable of just pirating all of it and making a family plex server.
What's more, 99% of people wont bother with this. Most will either pay up or cancel netflix, so there's no point cracking down on the small percentage of users that do circumvent the system
Well they could. If let says a bunch of different devices try to connect to the netflix account.. but then they would take the risk to ban an actual user that might have a lot of devices. As stated by @kyren 99% of their customer wont even try the vpn method so why would they go after them, as it would cost them more to hunt those peeps.
They were stupid enough to do this whole thing after backing out twice, they're definitely stupid enough to think pirates are hurting their income to the extent it could quadruple their Q2 earnings if they deal with it
Problem for Netflix is there's no way to distinguish traffic coming from the VPN and traffic coming from real devices inside that private network. Anything going through the VPN will appear like it's inside that private network. Like you said they're probably ok right now since it takes time/knowledge to set it up, but, I could see the tools/setup get a lot easier if this becomes too much of a problem...maybe I'll have a go at writing some nice tools for this:)
@@jonathanmarler5808 There's no _reliable_ way to distinguish VPN traffic. If a Netflix app is running on the same system as a VPN client they could probably guess you are using it. Or if they can do a traceroute they could detect multiple private IPs as hops. But these methods are of course prone to false positives and those might be an even greater problem for Netflix.
It’s going to be interesting how Netflix will handle this for when users move and change networking equipment. Or even when they may not have a home connection and just use phone service.
It's a non-issue. They'll immediately see all device traffic coming from a new IP and recognize the move. I'm sure they'll do something similar to RUclips TV and ask if you're home or traveling.
On my phone and Tablet, it Always use my Unlimited mobile data even if I'm Home. And the local ISP we use changes the public IP every night so if they roll this out in Germany I'm fucked and I don't even share the password with somebody other than my family and everybody lives in the same house.
@@atlemacks Perhaps, but let’s say as an example you’re constantly travelling for work and spend most days in various hotels and accommodations and are constantly in use of different ISP’s or 5G or even using the hotels tv with your TV Stick you bring along. What happens then? There are countless ways this could cause problems. For the vast majority they will be fine but if even 1 in 50 are affected it would be a serious concern for Netflix.
Yes, that is a good guide for tail scale, but if I ever use it, I won’t use to watch Netflix, if they implement these new policies I will just stop using and go to alternatives.
Dave as the guy above me but I use it for a network wide VPN as a client. Gl.iNet, it's a weird brand name but they make awesome open source routers. I've been none very happy with mine.
We have Netflix for the simplicity to watch a show or movie, this workaround has so many steps I'll end up cancelling the account and go back to downloading over torrent again
@Jon Barto yeah, people are really entitled these days. They will be happy if Netflix fails either way as long as they get their TV addiction a little longer. But to be fair, it's Netflix fault for spoiling people with password sharing, the only reason they did was to get their current user base and marketing material through more user data. Now they are paying the price of a loss leader strategy.
is it expensive tho? when video rental shops were a thing it would cost you $8 for a new release VHS/DVD for one night. when you think about the content you get with Netflix for $20 a month it isn't that bad a price. I just think people have gotten cheap over the years.
@@MrBibi86 yeah, us older people remember the cost of cable and rentals. Even in the 90s it would be $3 a movie a day or 2. Now people binge a TV show, 4-6 rentals worth of content every week. Don't even get into the cost of cable lol Our options are cheaper and better than ever by far, even with inflation.
@@MrBibi86 Doesn't matter, the few people that rented wasn't making blockbuster $4.4 billion in profit a year... Netflix is just trying to make more money when they are tapping out on new subscriptions. Its greed. Most people knew someone back then to get a free movie disk and didnt need to worry about a thing. In Canada you can legally stream movies its the selling and uploading thats illegal so here come the pirates :)
Also worth mentioning that it's the upstream speed of your home Internet connection that matters, which is usually far slower than the headline download speed.
Its only a problem where ISPs are trash that they want to charge exorbitant amount of money for symmetrical connection which should be the default anyway because you pay for the bandwidth anyway it doesn't matter which way it is going but they still do it. Here in in India all broadband connections are symmetrical now any plan you choose. Have 40mbps or 1gbps all are symmetrical and unlimited(fair usage policy of 3333GB/month) if you use more than that then you are considered commercial user and you need to get commercial connection if you don't want your speeds to be dropped to 1mbps. That's the right way to differentiate between domestic and commercial not the upstream and downstream speeds.
@@iDraKzy you're are commercial if you use that amount of usage. That's it. You're basically abusing your internet you're 0.01% of the user outside commercial who use this much hence it's in their right to bring you into commercial umbrella which is much better than fucking with 99.99% of the user by limiting their upload speed without no merit despite paying for the bandwidth anyway.
There's always the option of cancelling the service. That's what I'll do if they introduce these measures in my country. What I pay for Netflix, so that me, my wife, kids and parents can watch, is the same as two other services together (like Disney+ and HBO Max for example).
Netflix 4k is as expensive to me as Disney+, Star+, HBO and Prime all together! It's not worth it as it is already. If they're so eager to make it even worse, I'll be glad to unsubscribe.
I pay for 4 profiles & I'm gonna fucking use them. They wanna try shit I'll give em the middle finger & cancel altogether. They don't realize that with account sharing they get more people using their service than they do with everyone having their own account because not everyone can afford it.
@@Lime2Game I think seeing an opportunity to make more money. They have a free version that's very useful and might blow up and most companies will take advantage of it.
@@Not_A_Serious_Guy sure, but I'll happily pay them some reasonable flat fee, the self hosted option is great and current pricing makes private use effectively free.
@@Lime2Game The exit node certainly makes a connection to Tailscale's servers for the NAT punchthrough. Then it is handled between your own devices after the tunnel is created.
@@mindvr oh one hundred percent, the fact that that option is in the free tier already shows what type of business they are. Some people that are already paying for Netflix might not want to subscribe to another service just so that they can "fully" use the platform.
for real, they add a few good ones in a big chunk then phase out the rest of the good ones...then say their TV shows are the only ones EVER in the top 10
@@CaneDoesStuff oh, it is hosted on Netlfix? Well, that's a great series. Also, a series kinda about toxic masculinity - Walter's pride (and perhaps childhood traumas) leading him to refuse help and go down the crooked path, descending further and further towards his downfall. While some assume the movue critiques capitalism (and it kinda does with the "find money or die" situation), it made sure that Walt always had a way out. Only thing he needed to do is to stop caring about maintaining the "Father. Manly. Strong" status and to actually care about wellbeing of those around him, instead of endangering them just cause he didn't want to accept help like a... sometimes weak and vulnerable creature known as a human. Protection of those around you is often seen as positive masculinity. Meanwhile, all of this hierarchy and status obsession, as well as "unwillingness to acceot that you are sometimes vulnerable" seem to be negative traits. Especially the last one, which seems to be a huge lart of toxic masculinity (hand in hand with "always act tough") So eh, it is a show about pride and masculinity, or, rather, about toxic masculinity through the eyes of Walter, someone who would rather die or break the law, than accept help.
I just don't understand netflix. It would be fine if they didn't increase the base cost but because they increased the cost plus removed password sharing just makes less people going with netflix. Increased the price but also made their content to be priced higher than multiple different streaming combined.
I've cancelled my subscription months ago. But the main reason was that here in Germany the Libraries of streaming services start to suck because there are so many new streaming providers now and they all battle for licenses so that if I wanted to watch all of my shows I'd have to subscribe to like 4 or 5 of them. It's just stupid. When streaming started, piracy kinda went down and I thought they had finally found out a good way to provide service while making a profit and now it all went to shit in a couple of years.
They're beholden to their shareholders. They're no longer the solo king in the streaming arena. Everyone is either undercutting them or grabbing content creators for their own exclusive offerings. Netflix had it good for a while and could afford to look the other way to grow its popularity. Those times are over; we've already experienced the golden age of streaming.
@@B20C0 Exclusive licensing should be a thing of the past. Let the customers decide on the library they like the most, the best service, or the cheapest cost. While we're at that, stop regional licensing. I don't want to watch modern anime in German dub, Amazon... Give the streaming providers the option to rent whatever show they want, without exclusivity, and stream worldwide with the same set of dubs and subs.
The reason Netflix or any streaming service is successful is it's easy and convenient. The moment they become too greedy, most people will choose the easier and more convenient option: pirating. And because they have no real way to protect against content recording, nearly any content from any streaming service exists in some torrent.
As someone who has family in Guatemala I can tell you they tried and failed. They were boycotted over here so badly that they rolled back the ban on sharing so my family still does it ;)
thanks Linus. Was using netflix since 2019 and stopped using in 22 February 2023 because they blocked shared account. if we paid for 4 screens this should not be an issue. corporate greed in the finest form. Im in Portugal
That's the issue that I've got. I also expect that people will downgrade to packages with fewer streams and that some folks, like myself, will just switch to buying our own DVDs to stram for ourselves. There just isn't enough content on Netflix to make this worthwhile, it wasn't too bad when we could make use of the additional streams, but now, it's just too expensive.
Owning nothing physical is the way of life help support....🎉 pay for nothing physical but sharing isn't caring are ways of the past😅 I can picture if streaming never took off by supporting its movement now its a new way of control and nothing can be done about it😮 everyone already switched from owning a physical game or video so the plug has been pulled😅 all that's left for the companies is pull every last physical reader and copy off all shelf's and stores digital licenses doesn't matter if you worked hard for nothing 10 years ago can and slowly will be token just have to fast forward more into the future😊 evolution always wins
The thing is even with the suspicious pattern you laid out. It could actually be legit of people living together. For example we have a family profile and personal profiles. As we generally watch movies at home together we use the family profile. The personal profiles basically only get used on the road…
Netflix used to be such an amazing resource for language learning, a ton of foreign shows all with quality subtitles. Now they've cracked down on VPNs all that's gone out the window
Why have I only just now put that together? You're totally right. It's extremely beneficial to be able to find content that can immerse you in the language
Many routers already have a built-in VPN server. It also has the advantage of not having to have another computer running 24/7. Setup may be a bit more difficult, but it's probably more reliably in the long run.
Only as long as you're in control of both the hardware and the software of the router, or trust your ISP-supplied router to have robust security (which you shouldn't).
@Mousseki Mousse That's what he's saying, and the entire point of "Netflix account sharing". It isn't so you personally can access Netflix away from home, its so that people can share their Netflix account with friends and relatives. You just have to be darn sure you trust those friends and relatives. They have full access to your entire home network, plus their internet activity (especially illegal activity) will be tracked back to you, and not them.
Tech Luddite here, if my job wants me to only work from a single location but I want to move across the country for 6 months (or longer) could I use a VPN router at the primary location to “tunnel” the traffic from a (work provided) PC at a secondary location? So basically I could travel without the boss or tax man knowing about it? And without installing anything on the work PC. It would have to be a router or other external device running the VPN for the work PC since I need the work pc to not realize it’s moved when its turned on
@@somethingsomething404 Can you do that? Yes. Should you do that? Probably not. Deceptions have a funny habit of revealing themselves at the most inopportune moments.
Imagine being Netflix and your response to people complaining about your service, is to raise the prices AND ban password sharing that made you so popular in the first place. It's like they're actively trying to kill their business. It's like EA and the "Don't like it, don't buy it" Battlefield V situation.
imagine then a group of americans so enslaved with "freedom" that they cannot understand a simple concept of paying a few bucks , and not even that much. they are SAVING their business. popularity does not bring it sustainability, profit does. americans so into capatilism should get it
@@pieterduplessis6906 Lol, why would I want to pay more for service that becoming not better but worse each year. I'll be really happy if Netflix will bankrupt, as it will give space for new startups. It's a common trend - the bigger a company grows, the worse its service becomes. Small companies tend to care about their customer's experience and the general company reputation.
They save by charging more for 4k content. They save by releasing trash content. They save more with every unjustified price increase, done on regular basis.
@@pieterduplessis6906 Saving a business? Few bucks? HUH? Profit driven. Ask how much they CEO of Netflix makes. Ask how much they produce. We have an account - my other half is in another city working. She only makes it home once in a blue moon. How is this fair? I paid in good conscience for an account that I and my other half could log into on the fly to watch things we are interested in, and they ruin it. Drive up the price and stop us from using the account for exactly why we used it in the first place. I'll be cancelling my account as soon as she is done with the remote work (she uses it now). It's almost half a cable bill now anyway.
extra idea! If you want to host this and you are setting up the exit node on a dedicated device like a RPi you could isolate the network like a DMZ and block all sites except netflix with a whitelist/allowlist. It doesn't mean there are no risk but you should be able to sleep a little better knowing people on the other end are using it for anything but NF and can't easily sniff your network packages.
Yup, but realistically all your traffic should be via https and therefore encrypted. And someone you’re giving your Netflix password to should be someone you trust not to sniff around your network
Isolating the network is a good idea although I don't think that'll work because then the VPN network will be isolated from the home network and the Netflix Remote will not be able to communicate with the local Netflix. it will think you were on a different network. Although separating the networks may function now in the future I could see this being an issue. As I suspect all of their apps and website assets are going to be trying to communicate with each other on the local network through some sort of ping like local protocol.
So what about truckers that are never never in the same place for more than a day or purely mobile users that don't have a home network? Just no Netflix for them?
Theoretically it seems like you could use some sort of split VPN to always leave the connection open, but only route Netflix traffic to the exit node. Saves some bandwidth for those non-netflix apps
That's harder to do on some platforms but that is indeed a thing you can do. Some VPNs have a split tunneling option and I don't see why it wouldn't work with something like OpenVPN
That's not an option unless you know what you're doing and have some technical knowledge. I use pfSense where you can setup policy routing, so e.g. this xx source when connecting to this yy destination will use this gateway. It doesn't have L7 specific routing but I believe one could use ASN of Netflix as a destination.
There are a lot of truck drivers that use their family's netflix when they are on the road and can be out for months at a time. Hopefully this can help them get around this when its finally enacted.
I stopped using Netflix years ago when they decided to pretty much block Linux pcs from being able to stream. I streamed the entire star trek classic series before they started blocking Linux pcs from working so it isn't a tech limitation, just a drm battle.
@@radoslew I don't know, in 2012 they changed their website to just pop up with a message that "Netflix is not available on this device" and after trying 4 different distros and 5 browsers each looking for the correct DLC and such I decided it wasn't worth my time if they don't want me to watch it. They may be less hostile toward that community today but when I killed off my Netflix subscription I could not get it to work on my computer. (Truthfully there hasn't been anything on Netflix that made me want to try again)
The best part of this trash change is that most home based ISPs will change your WAN IP quite frequently, like TMobile Home Internet for example where I've monitored that my IP changed up to 40 times in one day without restarting or moving anything. I've experienced this with screening limits with directv now using IPs as active streams, so I'd use up all four of my streams sometimes in one sitting while watching something, then I'd have to wait 24 hours to be able to use the service which is ultimately why I ended up cancelling it in the past.
This mostly seems to be an issue with cellular based ISPs, but is something that streaming services will have to address as more people adopt these ISPs.
I had this problem with xfinity when i first got it, got on the phone with their tech support and they were able to reduce the number of ip refreshes to once every 3 days at 1am. The problem with an ip refresh is it can wreak havoc on online games, causing disconnects. 72 hours was the max they could do without switching me to a more expensive static address.
I don't pay any subscriptions. It's a seemingly small cost that you think isn't that bad, but it all adds up. Just do the yearly cost of all your subscriptions together, work it out as a percentage of your annual salary and ask yourself is it really worth it? Most modern content is degenerate and your end up wasting your life away binge watching shit that's not good for you. Do yourself a favour, cancel all your streaming services (including Spotify) and go old fashioned. I still but CDs for music and I can't tell you how much joy it brings me to go shopping for a new album. Also, with movies go to the cinema one afternoon when nobody is there, you can't beat that experience and it costs nothing. Subscription services are running your life, unless you're making money from them somehow. IT'S TIME TO STOP
I'm actually shocked that not as many people as I thought is unsubscribing to Netflix, like none of my friends or family do, and anyone I've talked to are also either keeping their or upgrading it to support 2 extra profiles. I can afford Netflix no problem and have been sharing mine to friends and family so it's not about the cost, but what they're doing is just an inconvenient to even non-password sharers, and plus I'm already paying for the service, they have no business telling me who can and cannot watch what I'm already paying and where I can and cannot watch it.
Keep in mind that some people are also switching to cheaper plans with fewer streams available. That also hurts Netflix as they had been using the additional streams as a part of the justification for the pricing on the higher tiers.
They absolutely can make their service function how they want. You say they have no business saying who can and can't watch on your account. Idk who other than Netflix you think does have the authority to do so, but yes they do. You buy a Netflix subscription for your household, sharing it is theft technically considerung the product you buy is attached to the place it is used most and not the email you login with. So yes, of course they can prevent loosing money to those giving 3 or 4 people free Netflix. No need to cry because shit isn't free.
But if your wondering why no one is unsubscribing, it's because they aren't doing anything bad. It's because what they are doing makes sense. If I had a restaurant and you pay to sit at the table, not per person, you'd be pissed if you caught a customer sneaking in a extra table.
@@dmhzmxn lol wut, I don't think we need to be on the opposing sides here, also there's a lot of points here you're not considering or missing completely: 1. Yes, they definitely can run their business however they want but as a consumer you can simply refuse their service if you dont find it worth what you're paying for, which is what I did, I dont think I said anything about them having no authority to do so. 2. "You buy a Netflix subscription for your household, sharing it is theft". - If by your definition would you also consider 2 people sharing 1 phone plan "theft" as well? Its 1 subscription per person, soo many other things; shopping membership, your car, any other streaming services, literally Netflix themselves like 2 years ago 🤣, sharing was not an issue and even them encouraged it.. until money became a problem. It all comes down to what people are willing to accept, that's why they literally test it out in smaller countries first before moving up as they see that they can get away with it, if more people cancelled their plan I can guarantee you we would not be here having this convo. - A household doesn't mean 1 fixed address, people have multiple homes, kids going to college, people who are traveling for work.. like I said, now they're making it more inconvenient even to people who weren't sharing their account before. 3. "If I had a restaurant and you pay to sit at the table, not per person, you'd be pissed if you caught a customer sneaking in a extra table." - What? I'm not even gonna go after this one.
Yeah, if my mum didn't use ours then we would have cancelled it a long time ago. The quality of content on Netflix has dropped through the floor now that the larger distributors have set up their own services and pulled all their content away.
They're doing what cable/satellite services have done which is to raise prices and piss off their userbase to deal with lower earnings and it's not going to end as well as they hope
Me too. But I highly doubt they’ll release the numbers and if they will, they will probably be altered so it doesn’t look that bad. Me personally, I’ll keep paying but they’re doing everything in their power to get rid of as many customers as they can.
For me it seems like weird timing when competition between premium streaming services has never been higher. Prime, Disney, Paramount, there's a new one popping up every week. I've used Netflix for years, on a shared account with a mate and one of his mates. We spilt the costs three ways. With this change the consensus was "bugger it" and we're going to cancel. Netflix isn't going to gain two more subscribers here, it's going to lose one. I don't doubt that they've "done the math" and we're simply collateral damage but it's kinda galling when long-term subscribers have put them where they are today.
I live in Chile where Netflix has been enforcing this measure for a while, and it sucks. We only use Netflix in the living room TV and on my PC. But because the TV gets identified with IPv4 and my PC gets identified with IPv6 (dunno why), Netflix thinks the devices are in different households, forcing me to get a code everytime I want to watch something on my PC.
@@MarcRitzMDt's not part of the life, Netflix costumer in general should be not OK with it and be angry, and if possible pressure our governments to regulate it, it's not ok being at mercy of companies and its ghoul executives decisions
This'll be a great way to continue using Netflix if my grandfather decides paying extra is too much. I'll just set this up for him if he's ok with the idea and teach everyone how to do it.
9:57: For wireguard, if you activate uPnP (or you already have it on by default), you also don't need to mess with the router. the uPnP client will open the correct ports automatically. Edit: As Nigel mentioned: uPnP can have very insecure implementations if you have it enabled on a older/non-updated router.
Extremely insecure. It's the first thing I disable on any router. Some router implementations have taken the example implementation which wasn't an example as it was a proof of concept from decades ago. And some have implemented it even worse and exposed UPnP on the WAN!!!!!!! Which means you know in the movies where the "hacker" connects to this and then through that and through that.... Can actually be done now as you're able to UPnP ask the public when facing side of a router to forward your traffic if it's implemented badly!
@@imark7777777 now i actually want to implement a bad router with public-facing upnp. only in software of course, since i don't actually have a spare router to try and make that into an actual firmware you can install. also thinking about making a movie hacker sorta game(like hacknet or other really easy stuff like that) but actually real, sorta ctf-like, where there's small virtualized pcs simulating real machines, and you have to exploit the bad upnp implementation to try and exploit a server running an old version of openssh sshd with a well documented CVE. not really possible for me though, except maybe a proof-of-concept implementation using a bunch of docker containers or light qemu vms? don't have time for it now, but will definitely throw this idea into my notes.
@@imark7777777 Your view of the danger of UPnP in the private WAN is not really a danger. From the point where you can open any port into inside the network, even though you cannot select which port number will be opened, you have the exact same problem. There are tools and methods to go around that. Including reverse SSH tunnel or a VPN tunnel. It's just too easy. In my network, UPnP connections last 1h. But first, the attacker requires access to the internal wifi network. If anyone asks for the password, I'll always provide the public Wifi network, which has no UPnP anyway. Where's the security hole? Security level is always at the level of the weakest point.
Also the primary location is just baffling. I live abroad and both me and my mom used the same Netflix. Just introduce a family package, I pay let's say 15 or 20 euros then leave us be. No location crap, just a normal package. But they can't use their brain
@@bvoyelrhere's *a lot* of people where netflix is nice to have and use occasionally, but would not pay for on their own many simply do not use netflix enough to pay for it. so they'll share an account instead. Many also may not be able to comfortably afford a netflix account, especially with the price increase. so they'll just leave if they can't share
@@bvoyelrWhat about a scenario where a husband and wife work different schedules. They never watch at the same time. What’s the difference between that and two people from two different households doing the same thing? I’m not sure myself just thinking out loud.
@@fdhlmr Speak for yourself, I watch everything besides Mac Address because I don't care about Apple. Although I'm just intrigued on what Snowman is claiming to pirate.
This change is the first time since getting my Netflix subscription that I have considered cancelling my account. Goodjob Netflix, always kept you around for the sake of family and friends.. but you just made yourself expendable
Really? You're such a nice guy that you're paying for something you don't use yourself, just so that friends and family can use it? And presumably all of them don't actually care about it either, because if you cancel your own subscription, they won't bother to finally start paying for it themselves? Seems like you might as well save your money and cancel it now.
@@dunebasher1971 old fashioned piracy and online streaming is always an option, and many people will just do that. I watch Netflix a couple of times per month: if they ban my shared account, I will just play more computer games instead and sometimes watch movies through online streaming.
I cancelled netflix a long time ago after they increased their prices while having shit selection of shows and kept cancelling good shows. The only way corps learn is if you hit their money.
Don't ask why, but last week I suddenly thought back of Conan the Babarian. Wanted to rewatch it and online (like renting a movie on RUclips) is 3,99 dollar/euro....that's just absurd for a movie from mid 80s. So, yeah, of course I'm going to use other means then. Ask maybe 99 cents to watch it once.
LTT could make a video to share OpenWrt which is FOSS and have Wireguard + Policy Based Routing, which would allow easy and automatic tunnel for specific use cases (like Netflix).
Yeah, no. Even though I wasn't sharing my account outside the house, their practices are way too predatory for me to support them anymore. They aren't "losing money" to the account sharing. I was paying for 4 screens, they already have their money for 4 viewers. They shouldn't be able to say where those viewers can be. I killed my subscription and went and watched Wednesday... elsewhere. That said.. if Disney or HBO try pulling this kind of stunt.. I will be setting this up for a couple of people. Unlike netflix.. they actually still have good content libraries.
After years of market, Nf is maybe one small step to face a mass loss of subscribers. The whole thing is not only about money, but it's about keep the respect for us customers!
YESSS, finally bringing attention to tail scale. My favorite open source software I've ever found. Makes it so easy to network share across all my devices everywhere
To help reduce the attack surface you could just have the "server" with one port linked to a DMZ (a subnetwork with no routing to the "main" network) and use that for the vpn internet connection (this assumes at least 2 ethernet ports) That does although involve some router tinkering and depending if your router normaly supports it, mine for example has a setting for that (although I don't use it currently). And since this is all in the internal network unless they somehow manage to log the local IP adress of the device, from the outside it should all just appear as your router's public IP.
I believe in wireguard (and maybe also other services) you can also just restrict the allowed outgoing ips to exclude your lan, so that anyone connected to through that tunnel can't actually interact with any local network. Doesn't need any extra ethernet ports, and despite it being purely software it should be secure.
@@hiddeninthewires2308 At that point, you may as well just use the other persons profile on Netflix to watch a movie once a month. That will achieve the same result w/o giving away anything to anyone.
I don't think anybody is going to go through this much hassle just so they can watch Netflix from anywhere they'll probably switch to another streaming platform
Ya that is me and my sisters case, we just switched to hulu and hbo max and canceled netflix. Even though I could do this, I am not going through the hassle.
the biggest issue is teaching the people you share the account with how to connect to a vpn. worse yet, having to guide them through the connection every time it disconnects
@@leodaza2151 Just write a step-by-step guide and leave it next to their computer or device they use for Netflix. For bonus points, have pictures in the guide. Also create a "Common errors and how to fix" page. It's what I did. The ENTIRE process took like 1.5 hours and my parents who can barely turn on a PC have been doing this for over a week non-stop, not 1 single phone call so far and constant Netflix use (easy to monitor the 100+ gigabytes extra in your network)
@@duduza1 in what world? Pirating is much more hassle. Even if you set up a system that works 100%, setting that up is still more hassle than just setting up a VPN.
Yep, just use free streaming services that don't give a toss where you are as long as you consume their ads, or something like Peacock that does not care either unless your on a Linux based machine then it just won't work, but it's super cheap, and so is an Android tablet for when you're traveling.
Especially for devices where apps like Tailscale are no option like LG WebOS or TV's running Tizen. A site-to-site VPN could be done but that requires some more 'complex' networking equipment.
There's also issues with data limits. Someone VPNing in to you will be downloading and uploading through your network so 2x the data added plus their own data on their own network. I'm already banging up against Comcast's limits a few times a year. Fine if you're on unlimited though.
@@ilovefunnyamv2nd True. Lots of ISPs do burst limits so you get a fast chunk for buffering (or speed tests) but the sustained throughput is a lot lower.
Here in brazil, i live in a different state from my parents because of uni, and they pay netflix and spotify for me, according to Netflix we are not a family because we dont live together?
@@thes7754 i mean, i dont. And a lot of people I know don't either. I don't find it useful to get faster deliveries when i only order something off amazon every couple of months. I did get it for two months to watch the grand tour though. Worth it.
Despite being a geek and perfectly capable of setting those up, the first time I get an extra bill my Netflix account is toast. individually IP lock the four accounts I'm paying for (bearing in mind the extra just for 4k!) or we're done. It's not worth the money for what they provide otherwise.
Linus Tech Tips being such a large channel means they have Netflix by the balls. Because either they do jack shit and act offended over their own anti-consumer maneuvers, or they go harder on their anti-sharing policies to the point it actually drives a significant number of customers off to a competitor. Glad to see linus using the power of being a large channel for the benefit of the people
Competitors WILL do the same, don't have any delusions about this. And they are right, if people want to use a service, they should pay for it. Having half a neighborhood on one Netflix account is so morally corrupt that I really have no pity at all for these people. And just let them cancel, Netflix was losing money on them anyways. Providing high quality streams to literally dozens of people on one account probably cost them more money in electricity than what the account made them.
Being big on a platform does not usually help like that, they can just sue Linus for promoting piracy online (implied by the hat and eye patch), which is probably illegal since YT is an American company and Linus is Canadian, both countries probably hate piracy in general, or they can takedown this video based on some kind of TOS infringement, the system is just too easy for corporations.
Overall a great idea. The one caveat is if you have a residential ISP with a slow upload speed (common in the US) your download speeds at the client are limited to the upload speed at the host. Your 5GUWB phone connection might be limited to the 25Mbps upload Crapcast offers at home.
You are missing the point really. You only need to check-in. Nobody is saying you need to stream via the VPN all the time. Check-in, renew the home location, carry on with your travels 👍
"Make sure you can trust the people you're giving access to." Or make sure you properly set up your tailscale ACLs to prevent accessing your local network.
A couple things to note: Netflix could easily detect that a VPN is active on the device. Spectrum, for example, won’t work on my AppleTV when I have a Tailscale VPN session active (which I need to connect to a remote Channels DVR server). A workaround for this would be to implement the Tailscale channel on an external device through which the AppleTV (or other set top box) would connect. From a security perspective it is a bad idea to give others access to your network by implementing an exit node on your LAN. A better solution would be to set up a Tailscale exit node outside of your regular network or isolating its access from your network a strong firewall.
I really appreciate this video. Regardless, when my account becomes enforced by Netflix and I'm no longer able to share my account with my parents, it's bye bye Netflix.
Interesting that Linus is happily advocating this while being super outspoken against adblocking on RUclips, despite the latter being (imo) way more reasonable because the ads genuinely make the viewing experience worse.
@Jonathan Persson I think the connection is he considers ad blocker piracy. Which is where the privateering thing comes from. Still one of his worst takes imaginable.
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Setting up a VPN like this was my first thought as well, but I realised that the best solution was to cancel the subscription all together. I hope more people do the same and Netflix will see that they made a mistake.
Lol ya canceling sounds a lot easier. Already watched enough Netflix anyway
Hahaha yup cancelling the way to go 😂
Yeah. A lot of their original stuff is crap anyway.
Arrrrr!
Canceld months ago
if this becomes common practice across streaming services, it won't be long before there is a plug and play device that will do all of this for you.
I'll just go back to pirating then. Easier and cheaper
Pirating was always the option
@@iantaakalla8180 but its illegal and to much stress, streaming services solved that, bt now they want to but f you, a fine line.
@@Blackbirdone11 in some countries it isnt
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To elaborate:
In many places distribution of illegal copies is punishable.
Just using / experiencing the non-official-copy is "grey-area";
personal back-up-copies are fully safe-zone, in majority of world that is.
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If only Netflix had content that was worth all of this extra effort.
I beat the password sharing system too. I cancelled my subscription.
I mean it obviously does or this wouldn't upset so many and it wouldn't be as highly used as it is.
@@Atherax speak for yourself,I have netflix currently and I plan to cancel the day they roll this out. Even if Im interested in workarounds I dont intend to support their choices
@@Atherax its funny but I hardly used netflix. The only reason I kept my subscription going was for the family members I was sharing it with.
@@Atherax I think you'll find a lot of people are simply cancelling - I don't see many upset about it. More just annoyed at their greed
I love the fact that netflix does this during a financial crisis while many people are already cutting down on extras and accounts they don’t really need. Considering how terrible most of Netflix’ original catalog actually is…they’re gonna get a taste of actual red numbers. They haven’t seen anything yet
The reason they are having to do this now is because of the financial crisis, their pockets are hurting more than ever. People are cutting back and sharing subscriptions and resorting to other methods, all of which is losing Netflix money. I personally cut back from paying full price for the top subscription in my country to paying for that subscription via another country for much cheaper, resulting in me paying around 10-11 less per month. I already run my own Plex and have considered multiple times just dropping Netflix completely, it's not like I'll be missing the content anyway. I only really keep it around as a convenience and a way to avoid needing more hard drive space, but with all the price increases (even in the cheaper country I subscribe to which has seen two increases in the space of a year) I will probably ditch it at some stage.
Absolutely.
Every company in the world is trying to push their crisis-costs on to the consumers. Be it tomatoes at the supermarket doubling in price due to crazy fuel costs - or netflix subs going up. we're being dumped on by businesses everywhere. Those right at the bottom carry the entire crisis on their shoulders. And the further down you are, the more weight you carry.
I don't know about you, but I'm going to quit one stupid streaming service before I stop eating tomatoes. I hope they are aware of that big picture.
Nope, their stocks are growing. people just accepted it already. Why would they even lose subs? If you got one on your own, you lost nothing, just the people who already didn't have one. Some of them will buy an account and they will make money in the end
@@faranume1147 People can’t afford to keep it and Netflix is a luxury. If Netflix force people to purchase their own account, people are even less likely to want to keep it. I know plenty of people that share Netflix accounts as it’s just too expensive for people to pay for the full sub on its own. Also they lost a ton of subs, google it.
@@sulylunat lol keep believing that these poor multi billion dollar companies are suffering cause of the financial crisis like us. They are raking in profits left, right and center yet charge us even more just like oil/gas companies
I remember when Netflix said that they had to be more compelling than piracy, not more compelling than other streaming services to be really successful. They kind of forgot about that.
Now they are less compelling than piracy AND they are less compelling than other streaming services
I do not really understand the appeal of watching netflix. In my opinion all those sites make you want to watch more and more stuff that you normally would not care about and waste away (same as youtube).
And if there is something I really want to watch I'd rather download it and if I want to support the creator ill either buy the digital or physical copy.
that was back when there were no _other_ streaming services
@@didjitalone9544 It's a typical life cycle of a "good" corp. "Don't be evil" at the beginning, "why the hell not???" some time down the road.
Netflix never said that. The internet communities and news said that. Netflix has always been extremely greasy profit-driven scumbags that only care about taking more money from customers and offering the shittiest service possible.
And suddenly, I can hear executives at Netflix frothing in rage.
IKR! LOL
That's some loud froth
While I'm hearing Tailscale's execs thinking how they're going to change their monetisation moving forward.
Good, I hope they are. It was a stupid decision that will hopefully come back to bite them. I cancelled my account as soon as this came into affect. Plex server go brrr
Nah, they’re not worried about the 1% that will do this
honestly, what they deserve is for people to downright cancel and go to full on piracy again. It's not just a Netflix issue. They all wanted a share of the pie and what was once convenient is now more hassle than pirating downright, and a lot more expensive that it use to due to everything being spread out across multiple platforms...
With the fragmentation of the streaming marketplace, I know more and more people turning to piracy. It was one thing to have, say, a Netflix and Hulu account and be able to watch what I wanna watch. Now I can have Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon Prime... and still not have half of what I want to watch, because it's also on HBO Max, Paramount Plus...
By the time I have enough streaming services to get what I want, I'm paying more than I would be if I just went back to paying for actual cable TV.
It was fair when they limited the number of ppl on it but this is rediculous, what if im paying off that expensive plan with someone as a team
People stopped pirating? I've never paid for any streaming service unless it was for live content.
Yeah I hope they crack down on my account so i have a reason to cancle. I rarely use it anymore but my family does 😅
Can I just pay like 50 dollars a month to get all films, series and maybe music on 1 app...Piracy until then
Props to iFixit for sponsoring a video about sidestepping a company's policies
Considering their business model is pro-right to repair, iFixit as a company also routinely steps over Apple's policies lmao.
I had a Netflix account because the kids used it a lot. I rarely did. When they moved out, we kept the account just to give them a bit of a financial break when they were starting out on their own. When the new policy was announced, I decided that it was not worth my while to keep the account and worked out a termination date that was mutually agreeable but well short of the termination date. Turns out that neither of them saw any great value in Netflix any more so, regarding us, Netflix is now minus one account. They would still be collecting a monthly fee if they had left well enough alone. As with most economic decisions like this, they saw their service as maybe more highly valued by the customer than it really was.
I think allot of people closed their account after this because they lost a ton of subscriptions. They announce stopping account sharing (After promoting they allow it years before hand) around the time people have less money due to financial crisis and as soon as other streaming services start blowing up.
They really aren't the smartest of companies when they built it on loans and now are squeezing the customer for more cash when there is plenty of other and better imo options. Prime for example offers more then just TV when you get ndd on most Amazon products. And the catalog on prime is a wider range in content. Disney has better selection for family movies to watch with the kids. Netflix only has a handful of good shows and even those are being cut back on.
Similar here. I pay for Netflix, but I run my own Plex Server, so rarely use it. But my mum uses it as well, coz Plex is being a bitch for remote viewing. I'm fine with this as it means that sub isn't just wasted cash each month as I will sometimes go for months at a time without watching any shows, much less Netflix ones. But if Netflix doesn't want that business, I'll happily drop them. Not like I'll be losing out on anything given how little I use it already.
At one point, Netflix was the top of the barrel, but there are so many more streaming services that are cheaper now.
same for my family and i'm sure for a lot of others too
@@mOTHgOBLIN it's sad cause all Netflix needs to do is at least try to compete and they'd have the respect of consumers and folks wouldn't be dropping them like a hot potato
Netflix 2017:Love is sharing
Netflix 2023:Love is Dollars
2023*
it's 2023 lmao
Netflix 2010:Love is limitless
If Netflix continues password sharing, they will 100% go out of business. Just tell your family/friends to pay for a Netflix subscription or pay it for them if they're broke.
without those dollars there will not be anymore streaming. I thought americans understood capatilism. supply and demand. they supply the content and demand a few bucks to enjoy. easy
I picked option B. I cancelled it before the next renewal. After 12 years, countless price increases, they finally figured out how to make me stop paying them. Cottage country people in Ontario like me are not going to be happy being extorted to use the service they already overpay for.
countless peice increases to accomodate password sharing and make that option viable. dont forget that
@@davidsucesso2419 They were probably going to do it if password sharing didn't exist. They're a corporation, if it's not making more than last year, it's a problem.
@@japroject1 that's the problem with capitalist companies, their greed is infinate. There ALWAYS has to be growth even if their companys growth has plateaued
@@davidsucesso2419 I agree with YOU. BUT, what other people are saying is indeed true. This loose usage of streaming was one of the key "selling points" of Netflix.
@@DotHacker99 That's sadly the case with all major corporations; no growth is like losing money to them. They cannot settle for "the service we provide is sustainable and profitable, there's no need to expand it or hike its price". Whether it's continuously increasing costs in hardware (many GPUs and smartphones are well over 1K now) or software (DLC in video games and more recently increases in the base game's cost) they keep chasing the infinite growth that only exists in the shareholders' wet dreams.
You should do a video about the return of Blockbuster. Streaming services have proliferated SO MUCH, and raised their prices SO MUCh, that a brick-and-mortar store that lets you rent movies actually sounds super attractive.
My favorite part about Netflix doing this is they seem to have a major revenue problem over there, but they are plugging entirely the wrong holes. Password sharing steals $0 of revenue from them, but making users decide that it’s not worth the trouble for the expense they pay absolutely is. The service should be easier and less risky to use than pirating, not harder and more risky, and half of their problem stems from their inability to keep their own content going for longer than a single season.
I would be a nice lunch that they've done the research.
@@UncleKennysPlace you underestimate the power of unchecked c suite ego
It definitely steals more than $0 from them. I personally know several people, myself included, that haven't paid for Netflix because sharing an account was free. There's no way we're the only ones.
@@michael.petraeus multibillion dollar companies go bakrupt all the time
@@VintageFenrir It isn't their money if they were not given it in the first place. this is insinuating they deserve the money simply bc there's multiple people attached to a single account. Which they don't deserve, nor is anyone responsible to quit account sharing and pay money to Netflix. Stealing money would be if they could have gotten that money in the first place, if someone is account sharing they either can't afford it or don't want to pay for Netflix, which means Netflix would have never got that money in the first place.
Company actions like this is what just leads to people circumventing these measures, and people pirating. It's a direct cause-effect relationship, and it's always because of shitty business decisions. Anytime a streaming service or cable has done something stupid, or something that made it less convenient for people, people turned to piracy, i.e., the most convenient option. It isn't our job to respect companies, it's their job to put consumers first, because without us they don't earn money. If they don't have our best interests in mind when making decisions, they don't deserve money.
I hope netflix gets what they deserve for trying to ban password sharing
Yes
Maybe they never should have never allowed it in the first place to avoid this convtroversy.
Vote with ur wallet! unsubscribe!
@@ayoCC I think same, but like over a decade late for that
Why? It's people fault for sharing passwords!
tailscale actually uses wireguard to connect you, they just make it several times easier to setup and connect to. same security, slightly different visuals, and much more noob friendly setup.
yep wireguard is also faster than the other standard
Wireguard is the goat, I've set it up multiple times with no issues
I used wireguard to bypass a ban on a Minecraft server. It doesn't work, and I still got banned for ban evasion :(
one potential issue is that CDNs like Cloudflare have started to detect VPNs based on the lower MTU of encapsulated packets and measuring packet timings. if lots of people start doing this then Netflix will start doing the same, and solving that is certainly not noob friendly
Weirdly enough wireguard is actually kinda easier to set up and use.
The solution is to cancel the membership when this directly affects you. If it hurts enough people, then it will be reversed by netflix. If not then people can follow along and rejoin netflix, or not.
Bye bye. I'll still be able to watch after everyone "cancels"
@@hastypete2 silence netflix bot
@@hastypete2 No you wont, very few are actually canceling.
@@MK-zh6zw lol. I am robot! Cool
@@grimspyder9212 that was my point with the “quotes”. People say they’ll cancel but in the end they want their shows.
I hope Netflix feels some pain after this change, absolutely insane idea that we can't let become a normal streaming service practice. I share accounts across multiple services with my parents and siblings (we each pay for a different one, works great) I don't think any of us have a computer we always leave on for use as a VPN server so we are just going to drop Netflix when this goes live
Just buy a Pi or something
They don't get how the empire they currently have is built on a network of mutually beneficial sharing.
@@poiu477 As of late that is easier said than done
@@poiu477 nah, Netflix can keep their shit
I noticed you specified a computer always left on. If any of u have a computer just start leaving it on
Linus: gets hacked
Also Linus: disable key expiry
*reasonable chuckle*
This comment is underrated lamo
< restrained guffaw >
*confusing jargon confusion*
Lol, that was funny to me too but it should be fine if the VPN traffic is limited to a VLAN on your home network that doesn't have any access to other devices on your local home network. It's definitely not noob friendly to set all of this up so we're gonna need Anthony to teach us how to set this up
Actually a self hosted VPN was the first idea that came to my mind, too, all together with similar security threats and possible options to prevent them in mind.
Agreed my router has a built-in VPN server for remote access
It does stop e.g. a Chromecast from working with netflix though, if the phone is off on another network.
Same, I even suggested it to my parents, and that I would even pay for the hardware and set everything up.
Maybe something like a seperate VLAN for VPN would make sense and lower the security risk
A small tip for WireGuard and OpenVPN: make sure you're configuring the clients to use full tunnel VPN in order for the Public IP to match the server's, and not split tunnel.
What’s really interesting is that traffic used for authentication and location data is easily differentiated from traffic that’s used for actual streaming. After a bit of clever tunneling I was able to get Netflix to work by spiting this traffic and not having to back haul a ton of stream traffic to a secondary end point.
+Chris Kader I on the other hand, after a bit of going to my computer, turning it on, and opening a certain Swedish site with Jolly Roger as their logo, got my shows and movies pretty quickly. I honestly would not even pirate 99% of Netflix shows, let alone pay for them.
On top of all of that, they give some content to US users, and not to me, even though I used to pay as much as you or anyone else did. Now I get the same shows everyone gets + the ones from other services, for free, and no one is limiting me, tracking my location and shows I watch, nor do they have access to my credit card, nor they're selling my data to Google and everyone else.
Almost as if they want me to go to this particular Sweedish website.
Are you using a proxy to split the traffic to netflix? Any suggestions you can provide? I'm interested
The thing with that is that it's possible for this to change in the future. If you tunnel *all* Netflix traffic back to your "home" address, it's unlikely that they can come up with a solution, but otherwise they might patch up exploits like yours that rely on certain design flaws.
@@leonro hence why I am not making a detailed video or explanation about how it’s done.
@@KaderRocks Fair enough 👍
Tailscale should allow you to configure routes and make split tunnel mode. So only Netflix goes through that tunnel And all other traffic goes through your web..
That's supported, if you got the IPs of Netflix. It's called "subnet routing", I think
@@Ruben-il2ub what if netflix goes so draconian to the point they make other sites give them ips to try to crack down on that and see a device has 2 different ips at the same or similar times? not that in to tech but couldnt this happen (probably not legally since user data and all that)
@@ImprovisedAngel If the Netflix app manages to bypass the tunnel (or abuse leaking DNS) and sees that it is being routed through a VPN it could happen, but that would require basically installing a rootkit on the system to mess with drivers and network interfaces which would almost certainly be illegal. If companies that offer such services have internal connections with Netflix to team up against the consumer that's another issue.
It's a good feature and tbh it probably has it, but the point here is for the system to be as simple as possible. We may be able to configure it ourselves, but a relative living far away might not have the same know how. It's a compromise between function and simplicity.
@@Ruben-il2ub that would work, but you would need to setup a static route as well on the subnet router. Otherwise it would just dump that traffic onto the LAN and nobody would respond since none of them are Netflix.
Linus, this is not the week to release a video starting with "love is sharing a password"
The love is sharing your session token
Context?
@@Pat1711 They got hacked a few days ago and both this channel an one other had videos being deleted en mass. It was because of a Session Token on one of their employee's workstations.
@@Pat1711The Tech tips channel was hacked and everything went postal..What - you don't have four hours to stay up to date via the WAN show? Edit: I was joking about the WAN show - it takes me days to get through it all but the latest one is awesome..
@@elone3997 Appreciate the info, thanks!
Your closing security warning should be extended to apply to anyone using ANY VPN service anywhere. Funnel your data at your risk
Netflix: Raises prices and stops password sharing
Customers: Hoist the Colors high
Heave Ho! Ne-ver shall we die
Linus: Plans video on circumventing Netflix Sharing Policy
Netflix: Hires hackers to delete videos
Netflix Sponsorship Agreementexe.docx
You: makes comment on RUclips.
Everyone: isn't this format dumb & a shallow attempt to seem funny?
@@davidandrew7314 bro has beef with a comment format
@@davidandrew7314 You're the only one that says it's dumb and shallow
@@mikelovesbacon And?
I've been waiting for someone to tell people this. A self hosted VPN was the first thing that came to my mind when Netflix first said they would crack down on password sharing
Maybe 4 out of 100 netflix users will even attempt this, then maybe 1 out of those 4 will actually do it. Outright pirating is easier and cheaper.
Tbf, self-hosted VPNs are also useful for a lot of other things anyway.
All this work and having a dedicated PC running 24/7 may end up costing more in electricity. Plus now you have all that data coming in and out. People on data caps(talking about you Comcast) could easily blow past their data limits.
@@I.C.Weiner I can't believe American ISPs still have data caps. Even the worst ISP in the UK has unlimited access. But yeah this is only possible for certain people
@@I.C.Weiner
"All that data coming in and out" is nothing more than the data already coming out when you are watching Netflix at home. So if the data cap is too restrictive, how were people using Netflix before that?
I've canceled my Netflix subscription way before Netflix announced a crackdown on password sharing. I'm glad I did this sooner.
same :D watched enough woke gargabe so i was done already
I'd imagine Netflix wouldn't crack down on this. They have to know that anyone technically capable enough to set this up is also perfectly capable of just pirating all of it and making a family plex server.
What's more, 99% of people wont bother with this. Most will either pay up or cancel netflix, so there's no point cracking down on the small percentage of users that do circumvent the system
Well they could. If let says a bunch of different devices try to connect to the netflix account.. but then they would take the risk to ban an actual user that might have a lot of devices. As stated by @kyren 99% of their customer wont even try the vpn method so why would they go after them, as it would cost them more to hunt those peeps.
They were stupid enough to do this whole thing after backing out twice, they're definitely stupid enough to think pirates are hurting their income to the extent it could quadruple their Q2 earnings if they deal with it
Problem for Netflix is there's no way to distinguish traffic coming from the VPN and traffic coming from real devices inside that private network. Anything going through the VPN will appear like it's inside that private network. Like you said they're probably ok right now since it takes time/knowledge to set it up, but, I could see the tools/setup get a lot easier if this becomes too much of a problem...maybe I'll have a go at writing some nice tools for this:)
@@jonathanmarler5808 There's no _reliable_ way to distinguish VPN traffic. If a Netflix app is running on the same system as a VPN client they could probably guess you are using it. Or if they can do a traceroute they could detect multiple private IPs as hops. But these methods are of course prone to false positives and those might be an even greater problem for Netflix.
It’s going to be interesting how Netflix will handle this for when users move and change networking equipment. Or even when they may not have a home connection and just use phone service.
I honestly bet they havent even thought about this and you'd have to go through all sorts of customer support just to get back into your account.
It's a non-issue. They'll immediately see all device traffic coming from a new IP and recognize the move. I'm sure they'll do something similar to RUclips TV and ask if you're home or traveling.
On my phone and Tablet, it Always use my Unlimited mobile data even if I'm Home. And the local ISP we use changes the public IP every night so if they roll this out in Germany I'm fucked and I don't even share the password with somebody other than my family and everybody lives in the same house.
@@SuperWotman Families of pilots away from home for months at a time are also screwed
@@atlemacks Perhaps, but let’s say as an example you’re constantly travelling for work and spend most days in various hotels and accommodations and are constantly in use of different ISP’s or 5G or even using the hotels tv with your TV Stick you bring along. What happens then? There are countless ways this could cause problems. For the vast majority they will be fine but if even 1 in 50 are affected it would be a serious concern for Netflix.
Shortest EFFECTIVE AND FUNCTIONAL how-to I've seen for tailscale. Thank you!
I just went ahead and bought a router with a built-in VPN server that I can connect back to
Yes, that is a good guide for tail scale, but if I ever use it, I won’t use to watch Netflix, if they implement these new policies I will just stop using and go to alternatives.
Dave as the guy above me but I use it for a network wide VPN as a client.
Gl.iNet, it's a weird brand name but they make awesome open source routers. I've been none very happy with mine.
We have Netflix for the simplicity to watch a show or movie, this workaround has so many steps I'll end up cancelling the account and go back to downloading over torrent again
This seems like a cool solution, equally, cancelling my very expensive service also seems like a great option to me 😂
You must not be one of the entitled stealing service then. Too bad for you.
@Jon Barto yeah, people are really entitled these days. They will be happy if Netflix fails either way as long as they get their TV addiction a little longer.
But to be fair, it's Netflix fault for spoiling people with password sharing, the only reason they did was to get their current user base and marketing material through more user data.
Now they are paying the price of a loss leader strategy.
is it expensive tho? when video rental shops were a thing it would cost you $8 for a new release VHS/DVD for one night. when you think about the content you get with Netflix for $20 a month it isn't that bad a price. I just think people have gotten cheap over the years.
@@MrBibi86 yeah, us older people remember the cost of cable and rentals. Even in the 90s it would be $3 a movie a day or 2. Now people binge a TV show, 4-6 rentals worth of content every week.
Don't even get into the cost of cable lol
Our options are cheaper and better than ever by far, even with inflation.
@@MrBibi86 Doesn't matter, the few people that rented wasn't making blockbuster $4.4 billion in profit a year... Netflix is just trying to make more money when they are tapping out on new subscriptions. Its greed. Most people knew someone back then to get a free movie disk and didnt need to worry about a thing. In Canada you can legally stream movies its the selling and uploading thats illegal so here come the pirates :)
Also worth mentioning that it's the upstream speed of your home Internet connection that matters, which is usually far slower than the headline download speed.
Its only a problem where ISPs are trash that they want to charge exorbitant amount of money for symmetrical connection which should be the default anyway because you pay for the bandwidth anyway it doesn't matter which way it is going but they still do it. Here in in India all broadband connections are symmetrical now any plan you choose. Have 40mbps or 1gbps all are symmetrical and unlimited(fair usage policy of 3333GB/month) if you use more than that then you are considered commercial user and you need to get commercial connection if you don't want your speeds to be dropped to 1mbps. That's the right way to differentiate between domestic and commercial not the upstream and downstream speeds.
@@rapiddu6482 I have months where I use more than 3333Gb/month and I am not commercial
@@iDraKzy you're are commercial if you use that amount of usage. That's it. You're basically abusing your internet you're 0.01% of the user outside commercial who use this much hence it's in their right to bring you into commercial umbrella which is much better than fucking with 99.99% of the user by limiting their upload speed without no merit despite paying for the bandwidth anyway.
@@ElectricityTaster True, I use a lot and average around 1000-2000gbs a month. Im also not home for a few weeks gaming ect so its hard to compare.
@@iDraKzy Same but that's literally every single month for me. I watch a lot of RUclips content and game downloads take a lot of bandwidth too.
There's always the option of cancelling the service. That's what I'll do if they introduce these measures in my country. What I pay for Netflix, so that me, my wife, kids and parents can watch, is the same as two other services together (like Disney+ and HBO Max for example).
Eq, don't give your money to Disney 🤮
please cancel Netflix.
@@vorbo01 Why do you hate disney? I love thier movies
@@pinesamsung because they hate their customers, have no respect for their own works, and are generally filled with terrible people
Netflix 4k is as expensive to me as Disney+, Star+, HBO and Prime all together! It's not worth it as it is already. If they're so eager to make it even worse, I'll be glad to unsubscribe.
I pay for 4 profiles & I'm gonna fucking use them. They wanna try shit I'll give em the middle finger & cancel altogether. They don't realize that with account sharing they get more people using their service than they do with everyone having their own account because not everyone can afford it.
YES for Tailscale. Hopefully this doesn't clog them up and force them to limit their free tier.
Clog them with what, excuse me asking?..
They are using 0 of their bandwidth, your Tailscale VPN is your internet and your only)
@@Lime2Game I think seeing an opportunity to make more money. They have a free version that's very useful and might blow up and most companies will take advantage of it.
@@Not_A_Serious_Guy sure, but I'll happily pay them some reasonable flat fee, the self hosted option is great and current pricing makes private use effectively free.
@@Lime2Game The exit node certainly makes a connection to Tailscale's servers for the NAT punchthrough. Then it is handled between your own devices after the tunnel is created.
@@mindvr oh one hundred percent, the fact that that option is in the free tier already shows what type of business they are. Some people that are already paying for Netflix might not want to subscribe to another service just so that they can "fully" use the platform.
Netflix doesn’t even have enough of a good selection of movies and shows to be acting like this 😂😂😂
They've got a lot of bith bad and good ones.
As for good ones: She-Ra, Stranger Things, Castlevania and such come to mind
for real, they add a few good ones in a big chunk then phase out the rest of the good ones...then say their TV shows are the only ones EVER in the top 10
They have, that's the catch. Each streaming platform has at least 1 good show and if you want to watch all you should pay for all of that. Sad state
@@Alex-cq1zr you forgot breaking bad
@@CaneDoesStuff oh, it is hosted on Netlfix? Well, that's a great series. Also, a series kinda about toxic masculinity - Walter's pride (and perhaps childhood traumas) leading him to refuse help and go down the crooked path, descending further and further towards his downfall.
While some assume the movue critiques capitalism (and it kinda does with the "find money or die" situation), it made sure that Walt always had a way out. Only thing he needed to do is to stop caring about maintaining the "Father. Manly. Strong" status and to actually care about wellbeing of those around him, instead of endangering them just cause he didn't want to accept help like a... sometimes weak and vulnerable creature known as a human.
Protection of those around you is often seen as positive masculinity. Meanwhile, all of this hierarchy and status obsession, as well as "unwillingness to acceot that you are sometimes vulnerable" seem to be negative traits. Especially the last one, which seems to be a huge lart of toxic masculinity (hand in hand with "always act tough")
So eh, it is a show about pride and masculinity, or, rather, about toxic masculinity through the eyes of Walter, someone who would rather die or break the law, than accept help.
I just don't understand netflix. It would be fine if they didn't increase the base cost but because they increased the cost plus removed password sharing just makes less people going with netflix. Increased the price but also made their content to be priced higher than multiple different streaming combined.
I've cancelled my subscription months ago. But the main reason was that here in Germany the Libraries of streaming services start to suck because there are so many new streaming providers now and they all battle for licenses so that if I wanted to watch all of my shows I'd have to subscribe to like 4 or 5 of them.
It's just stupid. When streaming started, piracy kinda went down and I thought they had finally found out a good way to provide service while making a profit and now it all went to shit in a couple of years.
They're beholden to their shareholders. They're no longer the solo king in the streaming arena. Everyone is either undercutting them or grabbing content creators for their own exclusive offerings. Netflix had it good for a while and could afford to look the other way to grow its popularity. Those times are over; we've already experienced the golden age of streaming.
yes, what they’re doing is wrong and they’ll lose customers but they have been incurring heavy losses for quite some time
@@B20C0 Exclusive licensing should be a thing of the past. Let the customers decide on the library they like the most, the best service, or the cheapest cost. While we're at that, stop regional licensing. I don't want to watch modern anime in German dub, Amazon... Give the streaming providers the option to rent whatever show they want, without exclusivity, and stream worldwide with the same set of dubs and subs.
The reason Netflix or any streaming service is successful is it's easy and convenient. The moment they become too greedy, most people will choose the easier and more convenient option: pirating. And because they have no real way to protect against content recording, nearly any content from any streaming service exists in some torrent.
solution #2:
1. Make Netflix fork off into a dumpster fire of crap
2. get a streaming service that doesn't treat long time members like garbage
As someone who has family in Guatemala I can tell you they tried and failed. They were boycotted over here so badly that they rolled back the ban on sharing so my family still does it ;)
Hey Ferb I think I know what we're going to do today
I wonder if America could unite and do the same?
thanks Linus. Was using netflix since 2019 and stopped using in 22 February 2023 because they blocked shared account. if we paid for 4 screens this should not be an issue. corporate greed in the finest form. Im in Portugal
That's the issue that I've got. I also expect that people will downgrade to packages with fewer streams and that some folks, like myself, will just switch to buying our own DVDs to stram for ourselves. There just isn't enough content on Netflix to make this worthwhile, it wasn't too bad when we could make use of the additional streams, but now, it's just too expensive.
They have 13k employees to take care of, and if they don’t do it activists will just take over the company and take more measures
Owning nothing physical is the way of life help support....🎉 pay for nothing physical but sharing isn't caring are ways of the past😅 I can picture if streaming never took off by supporting its movement now its a new way of control and nothing can be done about it😮 everyone already switched from owning a physical game or video so the plug has been pulled😅 all that's left for the companies is pull every last physical reader and copy off all shelf's and stores digital licenses doesn't matter if you worked hard for nothing 10 years ago can and slowly will be token just have to fast forward more into the future😊 evolution always wins
The thing is even with the suspicious pattern you laid out. It could actually be legit of people living together.
For example we have a family profile and personal profiles. As we generally watch movies at home together we use the family profile. The personal profiles basically only get used on the road…
Too much hassle. I canceled and went back to private torrents and PLEX. Free, much better uncompressed quality too.
Netflix used to be such an amazing resource for language learning, a ton of foreign shows all with quality subtitles. Now they've cracked down on VPNs all that's gone out the window
Why have I only just now put that together? You're totally right. It's extremely beneficial to be able to find content that can immerse you in the language
And I have bad news about their subtitle AI...
Just don't use them lmfao there's plenty of free websites, I loved watching them for freeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Still use a vpn for Netflix connected to a Canadian address for streaming Star Trek. Flawless.
Just set sails!
Many routers already have a built-in VPN server. It also has the advantage of not having to have another computer running 24/7. Setup may be a bit more difficult, but it's probably more reliably in the long run.
The only probablem with that is the risk of giving out that access to others. I'd rather have a seperate device host it.
Only as long as you're in control of both the hardware and the software of the router, or trust your ISP-supplied router to have robust security (which you shouldn't).
@Mousseki Mousse That's what he's saying, and the entire point of "Netflix account sharing". It isn't so you personally can access Netflix away from home, its so that people can share their Netflix account with friends and relatives. You just have to be darn sure you trust those friends and relatives. They have full access to your entire home network, plus their internet activity (especially illegal activity) will be tracked back to you, and not them.
Tech Luddite here, if my job wants me to only work from a single location but I want to move across the country for 6 months (or longer) could I use a VPN router at the primary location to “tunnel” the traffic from a (work provided) PC at a secondary location?
So basically I could travel without the boss or tax man knowing about it? And without installing anything on the work PC. It would have to be a router or other external device running the VPN for the work PC since I need the work pc to not realize it’s moved when its turned on
@@somethingsomething404 Can you do that? Yes. Should you do that? Probably not.
Deceptions have a funny habit of revealing themselves at the most inopportune moments.
I love that key expiry gets mentioned in this video. Hope you guys have everything sorted out by now 😁
I love the big FU to netflix, and the fact Linus didnt point out that he was using a segway to his ads.
Imagine being Netflix and your response to people complaining about your service, is to raise the prices AND ban password sharing that made you so popular in the first place.
It's like they're actively trying to kill their business. It's like EA and the "Don't like it, don't buy it" Battlefield V situation.
imagine then a group of americans so enslaved with "freedom" that they cannot understand a simple concept of paying a few bucks , and not even that much. they are SAVING their business. popularity does not bring it sustainability, profit does. americans so into capatilism should get it
@@pieterduplessis6906 "few bucks, and not even that much" lol ok
@@pieterduplessis6906 Lol, why would I want to pay more for service that becoming not better but worse each year. I'll be really happy if Netflix will bankrupt, as it will give space for new startups. It's a common trend - the bigger a company grows, the worse its service becomes. Small companies tend to care about their customer's experience and the general company reputation.
They save by charging more for 4k content. They save by releasing trash content. They save more with every unjustified price increase, done on regular basis.
@@pieterduplessis6906 Saving a business? Few bucks? HUH? Profit driven. Ask how much they CEO of Netflix makes. Ask how much they produce. We have an account - my other half is in another city working. She only makes it home once in a blue moon. How is this fair? I paid in good conscience for an account that I and my other half could log into on the fly to watch things we are interested in, and they ruin it. Drive up the price and stop us from using the account for exactly why we used it in the first place.
I'll be cancelling my account as soon as she is done with the remote work (she uses it now). It's almost half a cable bill now anyway.
extra idea! If you want to host this and you are setting up the exit node on a dedicated device like a RPi you could isolate the network like a DMZ and block all sites except netflix with a whitelist/allowlist.
It doesn't mean there are no risk but you should be able to sleep a little better knowing people on the other end are using it for anything but NF and can't easily sniff your network packages.
Good idea. Thanks!
Yup, but realistically all your traffic should be via https and therefore encrypted. And someone you’re giving your Netflix password to should be someone you trust not to sniff around your network
Isolating the network is a good idea although I don't think that'll work because then the VPN network will be isolated from the home network and the Netflix Remote will not be able to communicate with the local Netflix. it will think you were on a different network. Although separating the networks may function now in the future I could see this being an issue. As I suspect all of their apps and website assets are going to be trying to communicate with each other on the local network through some sort of ping like local protocol.
0:38 now THAT'S a hard R
So what about truckers that are never never in the same place for more than a day or purely mobile users that don't have a home network? Just no Netflix for them?
Theoretically it seems like you could use some sort of split VPN to always leave the connection open, but only route Netflix traffic to the exit node. Saves some bandwidth for those non-netflix apps
That's harder to do on some platforms but that is indeed a thing you can do. Some VPNs have a split tunneling option and I don't see why it wouldn't work with something like OpenVPN
You can do that with a Mikrotik router as I did for other application ( tunneling between company locations ).
That's not an option unless you know what you're doing and have some technical knowledge.
I use pfSense where you can setup policy routing, so e.g. this xx source when connecting to this yy destination will use this gateway. It doesn't have L7 specific routing but I believe one could use ASN of Netflix as a destination.
There are a lot of truck drivers that use their family's netflix when they are on the road and can be out for months at a time. Hopefully this can help them get around this when its finally enacted.
It's pretty rare to see someone hold their middle fingers directly up at Netflix for 11 minutes
I stopped using Netflix years ago when they decided to pretty much block Linux pcs from being able to stream. I streamed the entire star trek classic series before they started blocking Linux pcs from working so it isn't a tech limitation, just a drm battle.
What? What do you mean? You can watch Netflix on Linux just fine.
@@radoslew I don't know, in 2012 they changed their website to just pop up with a message that "Netflix is not available on this device" and after trying 4 different distros and 5 browsers each looking for the correct DLC and such I decided it wasn't worth my time if they don't want me to watch it. They may be less hostile toward that community today but when I killed off my Netflix subscription I could not get it to work on my computer. (Truthfully there hasn't been anything on Netflix that made me want to try again)
The best part of this trash change is that most home based ISPs will change your WAN IP quite frequently, like TMobile Home Internet for example where I've monitored that my IP changed up to 40 times in one day without restarting or moving anything. I've experienced this with screening limits with directv now using IPs as active streams, so I'd use up all four of my streams sometimes in one sitting while watching something, then I'd have to wait 24 hours to be able to use the service which is ultimately why I ended up cancelling it in the past.
This mostly seems to be an issue with cellular based ISPs, but is something that streaming services will have to address as more people adopt these ISPs.
I was having a similar issue with my ISP, so I ordered a Static IP for an extra $4/month and no longer have to deal with this kind of issue.
I had this problem with xfinity when i first got it, got on the phone with their tech support and they were able to reduce the number of ip refreshes to once every 3 days at 1am. The problem with an ip refresh is it can wreak havoc on online games, causing disconnects. 72 hours was the max they could do without switching me to a more expensive static address.
T mobile home internet is butt
Yeah I'm very curious how they will handle those types of issues.
Linus, considering the recent events, you are a password sharing king!
He didnt share a password he got a sponsor by a hacker that hacked his cookies
They weren't hacked with their passwords though
LMAO
@@LautaroQ2812 It's almost like OP was joking. Weird, right?
@@dismiggo wildly inaccurate jokes aren't funny to some people
I don't pay any subscriptions. It's a seemingly small cost that you think isn't that bad, but it all adds up. Just do the yearly cost of all your subscriptions together, work it out as a percentage of your annual salary and ask yourself is it really worth it?
Most modern content is degenerate and your end up wasting your life away binge watching shit that's not good for you.
Do yourself a favour, cancel all your streaming services (including Spotify) and go old fashioned.
I still but CDs for music and I can't tell you how much joy it brings me to go shopping for a new album.
Also, with movies go to the cinema one afternoon when nobody is there, you can't beat that experience and it costs nothing.
Subscription services are running your life, unless you're making money from them somehow.
IT'S TIME TO STOP
I'm actually shocked that not as many people as I thought is unsubscribing to Netflix, like none of my friends or family do, and anyone I've talked to are also either keeping their or upgrading it to support 2 extra profiles. I can afford Netflix no problem and have been sharing mine to friends and family so it's not about the cost, but what they're doing is just an inconvenient to even non-password sharers, and plus I'm already paying for the service, they have no business telling me who can and cannot watch what I'm already paying and where I can and cannot watch it.
Keep in mind that some people are also switching to cheaper plans with fewer streams available. That also hurts Netflix as they had been using the additional streams as a part of the justification for the pricing on the higher tiers.
As the joker says its about sending a message
They absolutely can make their service function how they want.
You say they have no business saying who can and can't watch on your account.
Idk who other than Netflix you think does have the authority to do so, but yes they do.
You buy a Netflix subscription for your household, sharing it is theft technically considerung the product you buy is attached to the place it is used most and not the email you login with.
So yes, of course they can prevent loosing money to those giving 3 or 4 people free Netflix.
No need to cry because shit isn't free.
But if your wondering why no one is unsubscribing, it's because they aren't doing anything bad. It's because what they are doing makes sense.
If I had a restaurant and you pay to sit at the table, not per person, you'd be pissed if you caught a customer sneaking in a extra table.
@@dmhzmxn lol wut, I don't think we need to be on the opposing sides here, also there's a lot of points here you're not considering or missing completely:
1. Yes, they definitely can run their business however they want but as a consumer you can simply refuse their service if you dont find it worth what you're paying for, which is what I did, I dont think I said anything about them having no authority to do so.
2. "You buy a Netflix subscription for your household, sharing it is theft".
- If by your definition would you also consider 2 people sharing 1 phone plan "theft" as well? Its 1 subscription per person, soo many other things; shopping membership, your car, any other streaming services, literally Netflix themselves like 2 years ago 🤣, sharing was not an issue and even them encouraged it.. until money became a problem. It all comes down to what people are willing to accept, that's why they literally test it out in smaller countries first before moving up as they see that they can get away with it, if more people cancelled their plan I can guarantee you we would not be here having this convo.
- A household doesn't mean 1 fixed address, people have multiple homes, kids going to college, people who are traveling for work.. like I said, now they're making it more inconvenient even to people who weren't sharing their account before.
3. "If I had a restaurant and you pay to sit at the table, not per person, you'd be pissed if you caught a customer sneaking in a extra table."
- What? I'm not even gonna go after this one.
I actually want to see Netflix account numbers before and after they roll this change out, cos they're going to lose loads with this change I feel
Yeah, if my mum didn't use ours then we would have cancelled it a long time ago. The quality of content on Netflix has dropped through the floor now that the larger distributors have set up their own services and pulled all their content away.
They're doing what cable/satellite services have done which is to raise prices and piss off their userbase to deal with lower earnings and it's not going to end as well as they hope
@@AxR558 In all honesty, I even stopped pirating Netflix shows long time ago. They're literally not even worth the space they take on my drives.
Me too. But I highly doubt they’ll release the numbers and if they will, they will probably be altered so it doesn’t look that bad.
Me personally, I’ll keep paying but they’re doing everything in their power to get rid of as many customers as they can.
I bet they gain subscribers...
Who else just learned that the 3 little dots menu are called meatballs? 5:54
I knew about hamburger menus, but now meatballs? How many meat themed menu names are there?
@@MichaelJM I just googled it, and apparently there are a whole range of food based menu icons.
@@DistrictHero13 Lol. A vertical meatballs menu is a 'kebab' menu. This is amazing.
Me too lol
For me it seems like weird timing when competition between premium streaming services has never been higher. Prime, Disney, Paramount, there's a new one popping up every week.
I've used Netflix for years, on a shared account with a mate and one of his mates. We spilt the costs three ways. With this change the consensus was "bugger it" and we're going to cancel. Netflix isn't going to gain two more subscribers here, it's going to lose one. I don't doubt that they've "done the math" and we're simply collateral damage but it's kinda galling when long-term subscribers have put them where they are today.
I live in Chile where Netflix has been enforcing this measure for a while, and it sucks. We only use Netflix in the living room TV and on my PC. But because the TV gets identified with IPv4 and my PC gets identified with IPv6 (dunno why), Netflix thinks the devices are in different households, forcing me to get a code everytime I want to watch something on my PC.
You can disable IPv6 on your PC, just give it a try
@@icksdeh Yup I know I can, but why would I do that? is stupid disable it just because Netflix sucks
@@MarcRitzMD Yup, I think I'm gonna
cut the service, torrenting is a better and cheaper workaround tbh
@@NicoRTM probably better quality too
@@MarcRitzMDt's not part of the life, Netflix costumer in general should be not OK with it and be angry, and if possible pressure our governments to regulate it, it's not ok being at mercy of companies and its ghoul executives decisions
This'll be a great way to continue using Netflix if my grandfather decides paying extra is too much. I'll just set this up for him if he's ok with the idea and teach everyone how to do it.
"bflix" (the symbol for that week of the month) "io"
thank me later in hell. 😈
9:57: For wireguard, if you activate uPnP (or you already have it on by default), you also don't need to mess with the router. the uPnP client will open the correct ports automatically.
Edit: As Nigel mentioned: uPnP can have very insecure implementations if you have it enabled on a older/non-updated router.
One thing to mention about uPnP is that is can be very insecure if you have it enabled on a older/non-updated router.
@@NigelMelanisticSmith Good point.
Extremely insecure. It's the first thing I disable on any router. Some router implementations have taken the example implementation which wasn't an example as it was a proof of concept from decades ago. And some have implemented it even worse and exposed UPnP on the WAN!!!!!!!
Which means you know in the movies where the "hacker" connects to this and then through that and through that....
Can actually be done now as you're able to UPnP ask the public when facing side of a router to forward your traffic if it's implemented badly!
@@imark7777777 now i actually want to implement a bad router with public-facing upnp. only in software of course, since i don't actually have a spare router to try and make that into an actual firmware you can install.
also thinking about making a movie hacker sorta game(like hacknet or other really easy stuff like that) but actually real, sorta ctf-like, where there's small virtualized pcs simulating real machines, and you have to exploit the bad upnp implementation to try and exploit a server running an old version of openssh sshd with a well documented CVE.
not really possible for me though, except maybe a proof-of-concept implementation using a bunch of docker containers or light qemu vms? don't have time for it now, but will definitely throw this idea into my notes.
@@imark7777777 Your view of the danger of UPnP in the private WAN is not really a danger. From the point where you can open any port into inside the network, even though you cannot select which port number will be opened, you have the exact same problem.
There are tools and methods to go around that. Including reverse SSH tunnel or a VPN tunnel. It's just too easy.
In my network, UPnP connections last 1h. But first, the attacker requires access to the internal wifi network. If anyone asks for the password, I'll always provide the public Wifi network, which has no UPnP anyway.
Where's the security hole? Security level is always at the level of the weakest point.
Dude Jimmy goes to the same school as me!!! Go Tennessee Vols!
The building in the background at 1:28 is Ayres Hall
I hate the concept of password sharing fees, it's ridiculous to me, and honestly just feels like a way to grab some extra money from people
Also the primary location is just baffling. I live abroad and both me and my mom used the same Netflix. Just introduce a family package, I pay let's say 15 or 20 euros then leave us be. No location crap, just a normal package. But they can't use their brain
@@bvoyelr may be because they are smarter and have a brain that it'll cost less if multiple people buy collectively.
@@bvoyelrhere's *a lot* of people where netflix is nice to have and use occasionally, but would not pay for on their own
many simply do not use netflix enough to pay for it.
so they'll share an account instead.
Many also may not be able to comfortably afford a netflix account, especially with the price increase.
so they'll just leave if they can't share
@@bvoyelrWhat about a scenario where a husband and wife work different schedules. They never watch at the same time. What’s the difference between that and two people from two different households doing the same thing? I’m not sure myself just thinking out loud.
@@bvoyelr For example, I am homeless. How should I use Netflix? Most of the time I dont even use Wifi or my Wifi changes daily.
You know when Linus is serious when he becomes a pirate 🏴☠️
i literally pirate his floatplave videos lmaoooo, i wonder how he'd feel about THAT.
@@thesnowman2509 Is someone seriously stealing and uploading elsewhere the Floatplane exclusives?
People have too much time on their hands.
@@jorceshaman people dont even have enough time to watch all his free contents let alone the floatplane lmao.
I dont drink often but when i do i drink rum and become a pirate 🦜
@@fdhlmr Speak for yourself, I watch everything besides Mac Address because I don't care about Apple. Although I'm just intrigued on what Snowman is claiming to pirate.
This change is the first time since getting my Netflix subscription that I have considered cancelling my account. Goodjob Netflix, always kept you around for the sake of family and friends.. but you just made yourself expendable
Really? You're such a nice guy that you're paying for something you don't use yourself, just so that friends and family can use it? And presumably all of them don't actually care about it either, because if you cancel your own subscription, they won't bother to finally start paying for it themselves? Seems like you might as well save your money and cancel it now.
cancel it
@@dunebasher1971 old fashioned piracy and online streaming is always an option, and many people will just do that.
I watch Netflix a couple of times per month: if they ban my shared account, I will just play more computer games instead and sometimes watch movies through online streaming.
Amazing that Linus beat a Spiff to perfectly balancing Netflix login restrictions. XD
Exactly what I was lookin for^^
cos slinus def rolls fire spliffs for his employees
I cancelled netflix a long time ago after they increased their prices while having shit selection of shows and kept cancelling good shows. The only way corps learn is if you hit their money.
Thank you for making this video. I love that you guys are always on the side of consumers, speaks highly of your integrity.
Using the word "integrity" in a comment about a video instructing users how to do illegal stuff is a bit of "funny".
Don't ask why, but last week I suddenly thought back of Conan the Babarian. Wanted to rewatch it and online (like renting a movie on RUclips) is 3,99 dollar/euro....that's just absurd for a movie from mid 80s. So, yeah, of course I'm going to use other means then. Ask maybe 99 cents to watch it once.
@@kanaalmarc boo
@@kanaalmarc It's not illegal. By what law it's illegal?
@@kanaalmarc Yeah whatever. Im on the side of screw corporations, even if its illegal
Subscription companies are forgetting that their only use is to be more convenient then piracy
LTT could make a video to share OpenWrt which is FOSS and have Wireguard + Policy Based Routing, which would allow easy and automatic tunnel for specific use cases (like Netflix).
Firewall is a thing ...
All I want in life is to find friends I trust as much as I trust Linus to tell us about his sponsor.
😂😂
deep
Yeah, no. Even though I wasn't sharing my account outside the house, their practices are way too predatory for me to support them anymore. They aren't "losing money" to the account sharing. I was paying for 4 screens, they already have their money for 4 viewers. They shouldn't be able to say where those viewers can be. I killed my subscription and went and watched Wednesday... elsewhere.
That said.. if Disney or HBO try pulling this kind of stunt.. I will be setting this up for a couple of people. Unlike netflix.. they actually still have good content libraries.
If they weren't losing money on sharing, why would there be so many leeches complaining about not having free Netflix anymore?
After years of market, Nf is maybe one small step to face a mass loss of subscribers.
The whole thing is not only about money, but it's about keep the respect for us customers!
YESSS, finally bringing attention to tail scale. My favorite open source software I've ever found. Makes it so easy to network share across all my devices everywhere
Yes but with more users using this , the app will go from free to use to paid .
@@Luislgsoto fax
If you can’t beat the hacker then be the hacker💀
Me when I lost a game to a hacker in CSGO 10 years ago
To help reduce the attack surface you could just have the "server" with one port linked to a DMZ (a subnetwork with no routing to the "main" network) and use that for the vpn internet connection (this assumes at least 2 ethernet ports)
That does although involve some router tinkering and depending if your router normaly supports it, mine for example has a setting for that (although I don't use it currently).
And since this is all in the internal network unless they somehow manage to log the local IP adress of the device, from the outside it should all just appear as your router's public IP.
I believe in wireguard (and maybe also other services) you can also just restrict the allowed outgoing ips to exclude your lan, so that anyone connected to through that tunnel can't actually interact with any local network. Doesn't need any extra ethernet ports, and despite it being purely software it should be secure.
Its more concerning that if someone is doing something illegal its reported from your isp. I dont have any friends id risk sharinh my connection with
@@hiddeninthewires2308 At that point, you may as well just use the other persons profile on Netflix to watch a movie once a month. That will achieve the same result w/o giving away anything to anyone.
Didn't they already raise prices saying "we know ur sharing passwords" are they gonna lower them in response or leave the price increase with the ban
I don't think anybody is going to go through this much hassle just so they can watch Netflix from anywhere they'll probably switch to another streaming platform
Ya that is me and my sisters case, we just switched to hulu and hbo max and canceled netflix. Even though I could do this, I am not going through the hassle.
the biggest issue is teaching the people you share the account with how to connect to a vpn. worse yet, having to guide them through the connection every time it disconnects
@@leodaza2151 Just write a step-by-step guide and leave it next to their computer or device they use for Netflix. For bonus points, have pictures in the guide. Also create a "Common errors and how to fix" page. It's what I did. The ENTIRE process took like 1.5 hours and my parents who can barely turn on a PC have been doing this for over a week non-stop, not 1 single phone call so far and constant Netflix use (easy to monitor the 100+ gigabytes extra in your network)
@@leodaza2151 piracy is just utterly more practical than that
@@duduza1 in what world?
Pirating is much more hassle.
Even if you set up a system that works 100%, setting that up is still more hassle than just setting up a VPN.
Ya know this is way to much effort for a streaming service that you really only watch like 3 times a year when that one show gets a new season
Yep, just use free streaming services that don't give a toss where you are as long as you consume their ads, or something like Peacock that does not care either unless your on a Linux based machine then it just won't work, but it's super cheap, and so is an Android tablet for when you're traveling.
Setting up a vpn at home was also my first thought when I heard about this, I just figured it would be way too much of a hassle for most people
Especially for devices where apps like Tailscale are no option like LG WebOS or TV's running Tizen. A site-to-site VPN could be done but that requires some more 'complex' networking equipment.
There's also issues with data limits. Someone VPNing in to you will be downloading and uploading through your network so 2x the data added plus their own data on their own network. I'm already banging up against Comcast's limits a few times a year. Fine if you're on unlimited though.
@@ilovefunnyamv2nd True. Lots of ISPs do burst limits so you get a fast chunk for buffering (or speed tests) but the sustained throughput is a lot lower.
Using something like GL.iNet router with built in vpn is a good alternative for those who doesn't want to configure a pi
Here in brazil, i live in a different state from my parents because of uni, and they pay netflix and spotify for me, according to Netflix we are not a family because we dont live together?
It’s like Netflix wanted us to switch to Amazon prime
123movies is better than amazon prime
And I did after 1 month, before all this.
Prime is mostly junk programming too
i mean everyone has prime any way for the faster deliveries and offers on amazon
@@thes7754 i mean, i dont. And a lot of people I know don't either. I don't find it useful to get faster deliveries when i only order something off amazon every couple of months.
I did get it for two months to watch the grand tour though. Worth it.
Despite being a geek and perfectly capable of setting those up, the first time I get an extra bill my Netflix account is toast. individually IP lock the four accounts I'm paying for (bearing in mind the extra just for 4k!) or we're done. It's not worth the money for what they provide otherwise.
Linus Tech Tips being such a large channel means they have Netflix by the balls. Because either they do jack shit and act offended over their own anti-consumer maneuvers, or they go harder on their anti-sharing policies to the point it actually drives a significant number of customers off to a competitor. Glad to see linus using the power of being a large channel for the benefit of the people
Competitors WILL do the same, don't have any delusions about this. And they are right, if people want to use a service, they should pay for it. Having half a neighborhood on one Netflix account is so morally corrupt that I really have no pity at all for these people. And just let them cancel, Netflix was losing money on them anyways. Providing high quality streams to literally dozens of people on one account probably cost them more money in electricity than what the account made them.
Being big on a platform does not usually help like that, they can just sue Linus for promoting piracy online (implied by the hat and eye patch), which is probably illegal since YT is an American company and Linus is Canadian, both countries probably hate piracy in general, or they can takedown this video based on some kind of TOS infringement, the system is just too easy for corporations.
This video is going to get a massive amount of views today.
Can we get a hard R? LMAO
Overall a great idea. The one caveat is if you have a residential ISP with a slow upload speed (common in the US) your download speeds at the client are limited to the upload speed at the host. Your 5GUWB phone connection might be limited to the 25Mbps upload Crapcast offers at home.
Even 25 Mbps is plenty for a single Netflix stream, especially on a phone.
Aren't you the optimist. Comcast uploads are limited to 10 MBps for most of their plans. Simply awful for 2023.
@@spacecadet2172 Correct. Fixed :)
You are missing the point really. You only need to check-in. Nobody is saying you need to stream via the VPN all the time. Check-in, renew the home location, carry on with your travels 👍
@@KJ4EZJ if it was a single stream we wouldn't be here having this conversation in the first place.
2 days ago: "We got hacked because of certificates stored to reduce logins". 2 days later : "Just select, do not expire key"
it was cookie sessions from web browsers.
Bruh, I was 100% expecting Nord VPN. You got me. @0:45
"Make sure you can trust the people you're giving access to."
Or make sure you properly set up your tailscale ACLs to prevent accessing your local network.
It's actually quite easy to avoid it by just cancelling Netflix
Cancel and find any of the 1000 free movie websites online...
I've used tailscale for remote access to my Raspberry pi NAS and it's super simple and easy to work with. Even for a networking noob like me
Is it free tough?
A couple things to note: Netflix could easily detect that a VPN is active on the device. Spectrum, for example, won’t work on my AppleTV when I have a Tailscale VPN session active (which I need to connect to a remote Channels DVR server). A workaround for this would be to implement the Tailscale channel on an external device through which the AppleTV (or other set top box) would connect.
From a security perspective it is a bad idea to give others access to your network by implementing an exit node on your LAN. A better solution would be to set up a Tailscale exit node outside of your regular network or isolating its access from your network a strong firewall.
I really appreciate this video. Regardless, when my account becomes enforced by Netflix and I'm no longer able to share my account with my parents, it's bye bye Netflix.
fr, if Netflix wants a chance of surviving at this point, they can't be limiting to the end user..
Interesting that Linus is happily advocating this while being super outspoken against adblocking on RUclips, despite the latter being (imo) way more reasonable because the ads genuinely make the viewing experience worse.
it would be more comparable if he was against sharing account with someone who has youtube premium
@Jonathan Persson I think the connection is he considers ad blocker piracy. Which is where the privateering thing comes from. Still one of his worst takes imaginable.