Very informative and helpful. I appreciate that you give the size and type of fasteners and the many different install options. Great video! I wish that you did ALL of the DIY videos
Hello Chris. Thank you very much. I really enjoyed doing that video and may start doing them again in 2023. A lot of these accessory manufacturing companies just leave too much to the imagination making installation of their products sometimes frustrating. Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Ron Knapik
Excellent, informative, clear, detailed explanation of options for mounting basic folding boat seats to boats with flat bench or pod seating - right down to the size and type screws needed.
Ron, thank you for all your help and taking the time to make this video. I have a tracker topper 14 and can't get access to put a nut on the bolt to secure or lock it in place. I will be solely reliant on screws to secure the mount for the seat. I thought about adding JBWeld as well as screws or even a toggle bolt type fastener but using a toggle bolt is not practical as the holes would be too large to get it in the hole. I may use the rails because it seems to be more secure or possibly cover the bench with plywood mounting the bracket prior to installing the plywood cover. Unfortunately my son and I are not the smallest guys and with the boat vibration over time I can see these screws coming loose or popping out. The other option would be to cut a access panel out of the side and remove some of the foam but I didn't really want to degrade the little bit of foam that was placed in the boat as a flotation safety feature. The higher the pedestal the more secure it needs to be . I have tried the clamp downs when I was younger and did not care for them. The video really helped give me ideas and options, if you could link the slider items on the post that would be terrific. Kind RegardsGary
This is a great video I came across I'm trying to install some seats into my John boats it was a lot of help thanks to this video keep up the good work!!
When using the Attwood slider system, you will find that the head of the bolt used to mount your seat or swivel to the aluminum slider plate will contact your boats surface causing damage. To eliminate this, use 1/4 20 stainless flat head bolts. Or use stainless carriage bolts and grind off about 1/8" off the head of the carriage bolt. Either solution will give you the required clearance to prevent damage to your boats bench seat or surface.
8 minutes in... Can you recommend where to find those type of rails? I can't find sliding rails like that at all anywhere online. Thank you for the great video
Actually they are all over the net but for some reason hard to search for. You need the 33 inch set including the rails and slider base. Here is the Amazon listing. www.amazon.com/Wise-8WD73-Sure-Mount-Bracket/dp/B0000AXOYQ/ref=asc_df_B0000AXOYQ/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312114712708&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=14698536493655186530&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9052778&hvtargid=pla-567204018856&psc=1 I think if you search for jon boat seat slider, that should work. Both Attwood and Wise make the good ones. But remember you want the 33 inch and be careful, some sellers show the kit but sell the rails and the base slider individually to get more money. Hope this was helpful and thank you for watching my video. Ron Knapik Knapik's Marine Amsterdam, NY 12010 Just Google Knapik
Thanks from Canada! Ron you did a fine job with this video. Good thing that despite Trump trading restrictions there still is cross border commerce or else all the different pieces of hardware surely would not fit together.
Use a Springfield Removable Seat Bracket with rivnuts set into the blind seat, then mount the Springfield Seat Swivel, 7" x 7" to the bottom of the seat. The rivnuts are used as blind nuts into the seat that is boxed in so you can not tighten a nut on the bolt.
hello Ron. great video. didn't realize I had this many options for mounting boat seats. I purchased the clamp on style swivels but they didn't come with the brackets that keeps them from coming off if one was to lean back to far. Are these brackets sold by themselves to make the add on to my existing clamp on swivels? Thanks for any help.
Hi Ron. I bought some stainless steel rods and cut them to 2 1/4 length. I'm still having problems finding the stainless steel non threaded flange nut. Can you give me a link for that item as well. Thanks for all the help so far.
Great video! Can you recommend the type of hardware to use if mounting the slider system on top of 3/4 inch plywood that was affixed to the aluminum box in the stern.
Mr.Ron kknapik, ýour video on how to install seats to your row boat,,top,just top of the line on how to do somethings, keep it. up it was as they say above the waterline.
Hi Ron I've been looking for 2 1/4 or 2 1/2 inch length stainless steel 1/4 20 studs. Can you direct me to a website to buy these. In Canada I can't find it anywhere.
Great vid Ron. My question is do the #14 screws hold the seat secure enough to withstand the constant bouncing of the boat? The reason I ask is because I have a Lowe Line boat and need to secure some mounts to the seat and cannot get under the bench because of all the Styrofoam.
joe c yes they will but give them the ability to have maximum hold by making sure you do the following.Use only stainless steel #14 pan head screws.Use #14 stainless washers under the screw heads.Always use the proper diameter drill bit for the screw size and material your mounting it into. This info can be found using Google. What drill bit size for screw size. For example, if your putting a stainless #14 screw into thin gauge aluminum you need to use a 3/16 drill bit. This is very important to get maximum screw holding power. Enjoy the season. Ron Knapik
Ron, thinking of purcjasing a Wise folding seat with a Wise swivel. Do you know if it comes with all the hardware necessary to install eg nuts, studs, screws, etc ? Great instructional video, thank you.
Jay, only the seat comes with 4 machine screws to mount the seat to the swivel but that's it. If you want to use other hardware I show in the video, you would have to buy it at a good hardware store.Ron
Hi Ron; Because my rear seat is on one side of the boat I need to have the front passenger offset to the opposite side so the boat is balanced when underway.. I've been looking at the slider systems for installing a seat on the front aluminum bench seat of my Alumna-craft 16v. I noticed you used the Attwood brand slide system and was wondering if you prefer that to the Wise slide system or consider them to be of equal quality? Your video is very informative and a great value to the do it your self type of guy. On other thing I have been considering is when I have a slider system in place that I would use aluminum rivets in addition to the screws. Any comment on that. Thanks Dave Gulick
Hey Ron, how do you stop the seat from sliding out off the slider when sitting on it? Is it a lock on the slider or on the swivel? I cant find any locking swivels. Thanks, great vid
The swivel has nothing to do with preventing from sliding. Due to the design of the 30" slider and plate we use, the weight of you sitting on the seat prevents it from sliding from side to side.Any seat used in a boat that has a swivel attached to it when used at speeds over 5 miles per hour requires a locking swivel to prevent the seat from rotating uncontrolled and causing the person to be thrown from the seat. We use a WISE 12 position locking swivel. They are available all over the place. Just Google it.Ron
Ron, nice video! I am currently using the sliding system in my Lowe 1648. I am happy with it but would like to be higher up on my seat. Is there a good way to put a pedestal system in this boat without too much cutting and drilling? I'd like to be about 12" above the bench seat like in the bass boat I had previously. Thanks for the great video!!
Unfortunately there is not enough support in the aluminum seat to mount a pedestal. The only possibility would be to mount a 3/4" piece of plywood or King Starboard to the entire surface of the seat using oval head stainless machine screws. Then mound a pedestal to that. Use about 10 #12 or 14 size screws. Attwood make a 7" and 13" solid pedestal and then mount your swivel and seat on top of that.
Trying to figure out how to install seats in my Sylvan Sea Snapper, came acrossed your video with the slider option, pretty much what I had in mind.............trying to find these in Canada, looks like your videos show about a 30" one, I can only find about a 6" one around here, any good places I could order a couple from to ship here?
I have 2 of the seat swivels. One new and one I’ve had for over a year. Neither swivel very easily. I’ve lubricated the older one with light grease and still doesn’t rotate easily. Any ideas that I might try?
If your trying to rotate them using your hands you will not be able to. They have to be mounted down and with the seats mounted to them also. Then sit in the seat and try rotating.
Ron, you recommend using stainless hardware. Is there any issues with the stainless hardware contacting the aluminum boat? Any corrosion from dissimilar metals that needs to be worried about?
@@henrypauling6641 At this time we are completely shut down due to our move to a new location. Our entire business and all our equipment is being stored in a warehouse and not available for access. I will try to locate that information and get back to you. Where are you from? Thank you, Ron Knapik at Knapik's Marine.
I could not find a part number, but here is what you want to search for. Boat Seat Mount Bracket Slide Bench 30" Rails Kit. They are hard to find online. I did see some on eBay. Make sure it says 30 inch, otherwise you will get the 15 inch. For the 30 inch with the slider, a complete kit goes between $88 and $100. Swivel is not included. If the price is around 50 to 70 dollars, it will be the 15 inch. Also I saw Wise Seat Company makes a 33 inch set. Pt # Wise 8WD73. Saw them on special for under $60. Just make sure it includes the rails and the slider plate and specifies 33 inch. If you find something, send me the link and I will check it out. My email is ron@knapiksmarine.com
That is not a slider. It is a device that allows you to mount any swivel with the option to remove it, therefore being able to remove your seat out of the boat. There are several styles on the internet. This one is a, Garelick Universal Boat Seat Swivel- Removable Quick Release Model #75019
Great video! So to fasten the rails to the bench, you just use screws? I'm scratching my head trying to figure out how to bolt something to the metal bench when I can't access the backside. I thought screws would just fall out if there's no nut.
It depends what your mounting. You said rail. Our slider kits come with the hardware. The rails come with #8, self tapping pan head screws. You will use stainless, self tapping pan head screws for anything that you cant access the back side. For #8 screws use a 1/8" drill, for #10 use a 9/64, for #12 use a 11/64 or 3/16, and for a #14 screw use a 13/64" drill. If you have any addition questions, please direct them to the email address in the video which is ron@knapiksmarine.com Have a great boating day.
Great Video, Ron. I'm in the very early stage of buying a 14 or 15 footer. I've always liked the tiller rather than the console/steering wheel arrangement. However, somewhere along the line I traded my passions for pizza and I have a very large abdominal area where the seats that I see are not adjustable to the degree I need. Do you have any ideas (in lieu of a major weight loss program) where a seat is adjustable back far enough? Thanks, JEE.
Thanks John, more videos to come including a revised one on installing the Attwood 30" slider system. Enjoy the season. Best regards, Ron Knapik Knapik's Marine
It's an Attwood product you can get online. You will need these 2 Attwood numbers. SP-15200 and SP-15100. We sell it as a kit at the link below.www.knapiksmarine.com/seating.htmlBest regards,Ron KnapikKnapik's MarineAmsterdam, NY 12010
In order to clear the gunwale on my utility boat, I’d like to install a 4” high pedestal for the seat at the tiller. Do you see any issues with this? All I see on others are swivels installed, and that doesn’t give me the clearance I need.
It becomes a safety issue usually but at only 4 inches rise and using the correct size hardware you should be ok. Obviously make sure there is absolutely no structure weakness or dry rot if your mounting into wood. Use stainless hardware. If using pan head screws use #14's. If using machine screws with nuts use 1/4-20 and locking nuts if possible. Using stainless nuts with the nylon locking will be easier. If you can use flat washers, this will add additional support. Enjoy your new setup and have fun.
just wondering if there's a way to attach the seat clamp to a plastic or poly sun dolphin jon boat? would the material be strong enough to support screwing in the retainer brackets? thanks
bruce b The only concern is that the screws may loosen over time. The only way to tell is after using the seat a few times see if the screws have gotten loose. If not I would check them once or twice a year just to be on the safe side.
Hey Ron, do you have any idea where I could buy the safety retainer clamps without purchasing another set of seat clamps? The ones that I bought did not come with them. Thanks, B. Sideris
Hi Ron, Great demo, well done. Ron I know this video was done a few years ago but I was wondering if you would be able to ship 4 seats and 4 swivel clamps to South Africa for me or if you knew someone that would be able to assist me in this matter. Regards and blessings Chris
+Chris Cope Hello Chris. We do not ship outside US. But I will give you the brand and part numbers. Then you will be able to get them from Amazon or iboats.com. Talk to you tomorrow. Ron Knapik
+Chris Cope Hello Chris. The seats are made by WISE Seat Company. The low back solid color are WISE number WD334PLS. The dual color high back seats are WISE number WD588PLS. The clamp on unit is made by Springfield. Their number is 1104010. All these numbers will be searchable on the web. Thanks for contacting me and have a great day. Ron Knapik
Just be aware that using stainless steel fasteners in aluminum will cause galvanic corrosion and will eat away at the aluminum. Do a search on youtube about galvanic corrosion.
After 53 years of experience I never ran into such a situation on any of the hundreds of aluminum boats I have sold or serviced including mine. You are apparently not familiar with the properties of MARINE GRADE aluminum and the grades of stainless hardware that are recommended for marine use. All aluminum boat manufacturers specify using high grade marine stainless hardware for mounting anything on their boats both above and below the waterline. It is also what all aluminum boat manufacturers use in their production. So, I have to advise my readers to IGNORE your warning and to use only high grade stainless hardware when mounting anything to there aluminum boats unless instructed differently by the items manufacturer.
You can make your own if your in a hurry. Just buy 2 1/2 inch long 1/4 20 bolts and cut the heads off with a hack saw. If using just for an alignment tool just get regular bolts.(easier to cut) If using them for mounting, get stainless. You can also get 1/4 20 stainless rods at True Value hardware, to cut your own. But the easiest way is to just go to this link where you can buy stainless 1/4 20 studs in any length you want. www.grainger.com/product/304-Stainless-Steel-Fully-WP143073/_/N-8k0Z1z0o17h?s_pp=false Ron Knapik Knapik's Marine Just a little plug for my business.... On May 27th 2014, Smokercraft boats has named Knapik's Marine their number 1 row, jon and utility boat dealership in the Northeast United States.
With all the seats, sliders and swivels that I have installed over 40 years I have had none that got loose. If you use cheap or small hadware they will. But I use premium grade #14 stainless pan head screws of a proper length based on what they are going through.
MusicMusicMusic We only sell tow versions of seats made by WISE, even though they make several different grades. The problem is that the big box stores portray the cheap junk as not being cheap junk by not listing the entire model number. Some online merchants also do the same. We offer a low back that has decent comfort and most my customers feel the same way. We sell these seat discounted at $46.00 and $43.70 for my boaters advantage members. If someone tells you they are selling the same seat for under $40, they are full of it. The high back we sell use a 2 density foam on sale for $65. While not the top of the line $89 seat, these high backs provide a high level of comfort along with long term durability against puddling and foam degradation. And my customers have given only good ratings on these. In my store we have one of each mounted on a floor stand with a swivel so customers can try them out for themselves and see the difference between the low back 1 density versus the high back 2 density and decide which way to go for their money. We also carry a tailored fitted seat with a lumbar support and 4 densities of foam. These seats are usually purchase by my customer who have bought a Starweld boat from me and have become spoiled by these seats and will not settle for less. Sale price on these seats is $350 each. You get what you pay for, but as I mentioned earlier, if big box stores or online stores say they can sell you the same for a lot less, they are pulling the wool over your eyes.
To keep these videos in perspective as to a persons ability to complete such an installation, I believe that a person needs the basic skills of drilling holes and using tools to take on such a project. For safety reasons, I do not wish to show how to handle drills, bits, power tools or any of the basic tools required.
Very informative and helpful. I appreciate that you give the size and type of fasteners and the many different install options. Great video! I wish that you did ALL of the DIY videos
Hello Chris. Thank you very much. I really enjoyed doing that video and may start doing them again in 2023. A lot of these accessory manufacturing companies just leave too much to the imagination making installation of their products sometimes frustrating. Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Ron Knapik
Thanks for your patience, support, and customer service.
Best explanation I've seen on the internet for mounting seats on your boat period.
Excellent, informative, clear, detailed explanation of options for mounting basic folding boat seats to boats with flat bench or pod seating - right down to the size and type screws needed.
This is a very clear and well explained tutorial. Thank you
Ron, thank you for all your help and taking the time to make this video. I have a tracker topper 14 and can't get access to put a nut on the bolt to secure or lock it in place. I will be solely reliant on screws to secure the mount for the seat. I thought about adding JBWeld as well as screws or even a toggle bolt type fastener but using a toggle bolt is not practical as the holes would be too large to get it in the hole. I may use the rails because it seems to be more secure or possibly cover the bench with plywood mounting the bracket prior to installing the plywood cover. Unfortunately my son and I are not the smallest guys and with the boat vibration over time I can see these screws coming loose or popping out. The other option would be to cut a access panel out of the side and remove some of the foam but I didn't really want to degrade the little bit of foam that was placed in the boat as a flotation safety feature. The higher the pedestal the more secure it needs to be . I have tried the clamp downs when I was younger and did not care for them. The video really helped give me ideas and options, if you could link the slider items on the post that would be terrific. Kind RegardsGary
This video is exactly what I needed. Thank you Ron for putting it up!
This is a great video I came across I'm trying to install some seats into my John boats it was a lot of help thanks to this video keep up the good work!!
great vid. you answered how to mount my fixed swivel! i tend to over- think! thx
Great job on the video,thanks for sharing the information.
Always helpful and informative. Thanks Ron
Great video! Thank you!
When using the Attwood slider system, you will find that the head of the bolt used to mount your seat or swivel to the aluminum slider plate will contact your boats surface causing damage.
To eliminate this, use 1/4 20 stainless flat head bolts. Or use stainless carriage bolts and grind off about 1/8" off the head of the carriage bolt.
Either solution will give you the required clearance to prevent damage to your boats bench seat or surface.
I REALLY appreciate this video!
Any questions. Email me. ron@knapiksmarine.com
8 minutes in... Can you recommend where to find those type of rails? I can't find sliding rails like that at all anywhere online. Thank you for the great video
Actually they are all over the net but for some reason hard to search for. You need the 33 inch set including the rails and slider base. Here is the Amazon listing.
www.amazon.com/Wise-8WD73-Sure-Mount-Bracket/dp/B0000AXOYQ/ref=asc_df_B0000AXOYQ/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312114712708&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=14698536493655186530&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9052778&hvtargid=pla-567204018856&psc=1
I think if you search for jon boat seat slider, that should work. Both Attwood and Wise make the good ones. But remember you want the 33 inch and be careful, some sellers show the kit but sell the rails and the base slider individually to get more money. Hope this was helpful and thank you for watching my video.
Ron Knapik
Knapik's Marine
Amsterdam, NY 12010
Just Google Knapik
Thanks from Canada! Ron you did a fine job with this video. Good thing that despite Trump trading restrictions there still is cross border commerce or else all the different pieces of hardware surely would not fit together.
Use a Springfield Removable Seat Bracket with rivnuts set into the blind seat, then mount the Springfield Seat Swivel, 7" x 7" to the bottom of the seat. The rivnuts are used as blind nuts into the seat that is boxed in so you can not tighten a nut on the bolt.
I'm doing the trick where I'm mounting swivel with self tapping and wanted to use the studs and flange nuts without using the sliding system.
hello Ron. great video. didn't realize I had this many options for mounting boat seats. I purchased the clamp on style swivels but they didn't come with the brackets that keeps them from coming off if one was to lean back to far. Are these brackets sold by themselves to make the add on to my existing clamp on swivels? Thanks for any help.
The brackets should come with it. You can buy brackets from Cascade Depot on the internet. Their part number is 2100097.Ron
Hi Ron. I bought some stainless steel rods and cut them to 2 1/4 length. I'm still having problems finding the stainless steel non threaded flange nut. Can you give me a link for that item as well. Thanks for all the help so far.
Great video!
Great video! Can you recommend the type of hardware to use if mounting the slider system on top of 3/4 inch plywood that was affixed to the aluminum box in the stern.
Are you going to use a swivel, or are you going to mount your seat directly to the slider plate?
Ron
Not the original poster but I have the same question. I am Going to use 3/4” Coosa board and will install the seat into a swivel.
Thanks your video helped alot
Mr.Ron kknapik, ýour video on how to install seats to your row boat,,top,just top of the line on how to do somethings, keep it. up it was as they say above the waterline.
Hi Ron I've been looking for 2 1/4 or 2 1/2 inch length stainless steel 1/4 20 studs. Can you direct me to a website to buy these. In Canada I can't find it anywhere.
Also another question Ron. You said to use non locking flange nuts but I only can find serrated on ebay.
Great vid Ron. My question is do the #14 screws hold the seat secure enough to withstand the constant bouncing of the boat? The reason I ask is because I have a Lowe Line boat and need to secure some mounts to the seat and cannot get under the bench because of all the Styrofoam.
joe c yes they will but give them the ability to have maximum hold by making sure you do the following.Use only stainless steel #14 pan head screws.Use #14 stainless washers under the screw heads.Always use the proper diameter drill bit for the screw size and material your mounting it into.
This info can be found using Google. What drill bit size for screw size.
For example, if your putting a stainless #14 screw into thin gauge aluminum you need to use a 3/16 drill bit. This is very important to get maximum screw holding power.
Enjoy the season.
Ron Knapik
Ron, thinking of purcjasing a Wise folding seat with a Wise swivel. Do you know if it comes with all the hardware necessary to install eg nuts, studs, screws, etc ? Great instructional video, thank you.
Jay, only the seat comes with 4 machine screws to mount the seat to the swivel but that's it. If you want to use other hardware I show in the video, you would have to buy it at a good hardware store.Ron
would you recommend using a
Attwood SP-67749 Swivl-Eze Lock'N-Pin Aluminum Boat Seat Pedestal Mount - 7-Inch x 7-Inch Base, 3/4-Inch
.
Ron still can't find those flange nuts can you link me to a site to purchase them. Thanks
Thank You. If there is any thing else you would like to see a video on please let me know.
Ron Knapik
Ron Knapik thanks very helpful
Hi Ron; Because my rear seat is on one side of the boat I need to have the front passenger offset to the opposite side so the boat is balanced when underway.. I've been looking at the slider systems for installing a seat on the front aluminum bench seat of my Alumna-craft 16v. I noticed you used the Attwood brand slide system and was wondering if you prefer that to the Wise slide system or consider them to be of equal quality? Your video is very informative and a great value to the do it your self type of guy. On other thing I have been considering is when I have a slider system in place that I would use aluminum rivets in addition to the screws. Any comment on that. Thanks Dave Gulick
Hey Ron, how do you stop the seat from sliding out off the slider when sitting on it? Is it a lock on the slider or on the swivel? I cant find any locking swivels. Thanks, great vid
The swivel has nothing to do with preventing from sliding. Due to the design of the 30" slider and plate we use, the weight of you sitting on the seat prevents it from sliding from side to side.Any seat used in a boat that has a swivel attached to it when used at speeds over 5 miles per hour requires a locking swivel to prevent the seat from rotating uncontrolled and causing the person to be thrown from the seat. We use a WISE 12 position locking swivel. They are available all over the place. Just Google it.Ron
Ron, nice video! I am currently using the sliding system in my Lowe 1648. I am happy with it but would like to be higher up on my seat. Is there a good way to put a pedestal system in this boat without too much cutting and drilling? I'd like to be about 12" above the bench seat like in the bass boat I had previously. Thanks for the great video!!
Unfortunately there is not enough support in the aluminum seat to mount a pedestal. The only possibility would be to mount a 3/4" piece of plywood or King Starboard to the entire surface of the seat using oval head stainless machine screws. Then mound a pedestal to that. Use about 10 #12 or 14 size screws.
Attwood make a 7" and 13" solid pedestal and then mount your swivel and seat on top of that.
Trying to figure out how to install seats in my Sylvan Sea Snapper, came acrossed your video with the slider option, pretty much what I had in mind.............trying to find these in Canada, looks like your videos show about a 30" one, I can only find about a 6" one around here, any good places I could order a couple from to ship here?
Everything is from Attwood Marine.
Ron
I have 2 of the seat swivels. One new and one I’ve had for over a year. Neither swivel very easily. I’ve lubricated the older one with light grease and still doesn’t rotate easily. Any ideas that I might try?
If your trying to rotate them using your hands you will not be able to. They have to be mounted down and with the seats mounted to them also. Then sit in the seat and try rotating.
Ron, you recommend using stainless hardware. Is there any issues with the stainless hardware contacting the aluminum boat? Any corrosion from dissimilar metals that needs to be worried about?
Stainless is good with aluminum as long as you have not used any other metals for mounting anything. Ron
Any idea where you could buy the the mounting components minute 18:05?
What is the part number for the removal sliders and locking swivel for the flat top box scenario. Thanks
@@henrypauling6641 At this time we are completely shut down due to our move to a new location. Our entire business and all our equipment is being stored in a warehouse and not available for access. I will try to locate that information and get back to you. Where are you from? Thank you, Ron Knapik at Knapik's Marine.
I could not find a part number, but here is what you want to search for.
Boat Seat Mount Bracket Slide Bench 30" Rails Kit.
They are hard to find online. I did see some on eBay.
Make sure it says 30 inch, otherwise you will get the 15 inch. For the 30 inch with the slider, a complete kit goes between $88 and $100. Swivel is not included. If the price is around 50 to 70 dollars, it will be the 15 inch.
Also I saw Wise Seat Company makes a 33 inch set. Pt # Wise 8WD73. Saw them on special for under $60. Just make sure it includes the rails and the slider plate and specifies 33 inch. If you find something, send me the link and I will check it out.
My email is ron@knapiksmarine.com
The same ones you show at 17:50 ? Thank you
Where can I buy the rails and that plate? I really like that idea because the clamps won't work on my boat.
These are an Attwood product. You will need to buy both items. The rails and the plate. SP-15200 and SP-15100. Ron
where do you find the locking removable slider at 07:22,? I didn't see it on Attwood's page, thanks for your video!
That is not a slider. It is a device that allows you to mount any swivel with the option to remove it, therefore being able to remove your seat out of the boat. There are several styles on the internet. This one is a, Garelick Universal Boat Seat Swivel- Removable Quick Release Model #75019
i am wondering what can i use too put on the floor i am not wanting too go over board on the small boat because i plan on getting me a bigger one
Great video!
So to fasten the rails to the bench, you just use screws? I'm scratching my head trying to figure out how to bolt something to the metal bench when I can't access the backside. I thought screws would just fall out if there's no nut.
It depends what your mounting. You said rail. Our slider kits come with the hardware. The rails come with #8, self tapping pan head screws.
You will use stainless, self tapping pan head screws for anything that you cant access the back side. For #8 screws use a 1/8" drill, for #10 use a 9/64, for #12 use a 11/64 or 3/16, and for a #14 screw use a 13/64" drill.
If you have any addition questions, please direct them to the email address in the video which is ron@knapiksmarine.com
Have a great boating day.
@@rfknapik thanks you SO much...I'll keep your email on hand 👍
I used rivnuts. Seems a lot more secure.
Great Video, Ron. I'm in the very early stage of buying a 14 or 15 footer. I've always liked the tiller rather than the console/steering wheel arrangement. However, somewhere along the line I traded my passions for pizza and I have a very large abdominal area where the seats that I see are not adjustable to the degree I need. Do you have any ideas (in lieu of a major weight loss program) where a seat is adjustable back far enough? Thanks, JEE.
Thanks John, more videos to come including a revised one on installing the Attwood 30" slider system. Enjoy the season.
Best regards,
Ron Knapik
Knapik's Marine
great info.
where can I get those sliders for the swivel.
It's an Attwood product you can get online. You will need these 2 Attwood numbers. SP-15200 and SP-15100. We sell it as a kit at the link below.www.knapiksmarine.com/seating.htmlBest regards,Ron KnapikKnapik's MarineAmsterdam, NY 12010
www.knapiksmarine.com/seating.html
What about the other sliders... the smaller ones?
In order to clear the gunwale on my utility boat, I’d like to install a 4” high pedestal for the seat at the tiller. Do you see any issues with this? All I see on others are swivels installed, and that doesn’t give me the clearance I need.
It becomes a safety issue usually but at only 4 inches rise and using the correct size hardware you should be ok. Obviously make sure there is absolutely no structure weakness or dry rot if your mounting into wood. Use stainless hardware. If using pan head screws use #14's. If using machine screws with nuts use 1/4-20 and locking nuts if possible. Using stainless nuts with the nylon locking will be easier. If you can use flat washers, this will add additional support. Enjoy your new setup and have fun.
@@rfknapik Thanks very much for the detailed response. This will help a lot. - Gary
just wondering if there's a way to attach the seat clamp to a plastic or poly sun dolphin jon boat? would the material be strong enough to support screwing in the retainer brackets?
thanks
bruce b The only concern is that the screws may loosen over time. The only way to tell is after using the seat a few times see if the screws have gotten loose. If not I would check them once or twice a year just to be on the safe side.
Hey Ron, do you have any idea where I could buy the safety retainer clamps without purchasing another set of seat clamps? The ones that I bought did not come with them.
Thanks,
B. Sideris
Brady Y Sideris Retainer brackets*
Hi Ron,
Great demo, well done.
Ron I know this video was done a few years ago but I was wondering if you would be able to ship 4 seats and 4 swivel clamps to South Africa for me or if you knew someone that would be able to assist me in this matter.
Regards and blessings
Chris
+Chris Cope Hello Chris. We do not ship outside US. But I will give you the brand and part numbers. Then you will be able to get them from Amazon or iboats.com. Talk to you tomorrow. Ron Knapik
Thank you Ron.
+Chris Cope Hello Chris. The seats are made by WISE Seat Company. The low back solid color are WISE number WD334PLS. The dual color high back seats are WISE number WD588PLS. The clamp on unit is made by Springfield. Their number is 1104010. All these numbers will be searchable on the web. Thanks for contacting me and have a great day. Ron Knapik
How long was that rail system? And can it be mounted if I have Eva foam on top of the metal bench seat ?
Ours are 30 inch. Not familiar with EvaFoam. As long as it's solid like plywood yes.
@@rfknapik the foam is like hydro turf peak and stick cushion basically how do you keep the bottom of the back plate from scratching your bench?
Just be aware that using stainless steel fasteners in aluminum will cause galvanic corrosion and will eat away at the aluminum. Do a search on youtube about galvanic corrosion.
After 53 years of experience I never ran into such a situation on any of the hundreds of aluminum boats I have sold or serviced including mine. You are apparently not familiar with the properties of MARINE GRADE aluminum and the grades of stainless hardware that are recommended for marine use. All aluminum boat manufacturers specify using high grade marine stainless hardware for mounting anything on their boats both above and below the waterline. It is also what all aluminum boat manufacturers use in their production. So, I have to advise my readers to IGNORE your warning and to use only high grade stainless hardware when mounting anything to there aluminum boats unless instructed differently by the items manufacturer.
Thanks
What live well cooler mod whuld you recommend for a 12 ft boat
Sorry Ron in the last message I said threaded I meant to say serrated.
Wait a minute - the sticker on that console seat says 200 lbs max. I'll have to go on a diet before getting in the boat!
It would be mounted to the swivel.
You can make your own if your in a hurry. Just buy 2 1/2 inch long 1/4 20 bolts and cut the heads off with a hack saw.
If using just for an alignment tool just get regular bolts.(easier to cut) If using them for mounting, get stainless.
You can also get 1/4 20 stainless rods at True Value hardware, to cut your own.
But the easiest way is to just go to this link where you can buy stainless 1/4 20 studs in any length you want.
www.grainger.com/product/304-Stainless-Steel-Fully-WP143073/_/N-8k0Z1z0o17h?s_pp=false
Ron Knapik Knapik's Marine
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screw to a bench? It will loosen.
With all the seats, sliders and swivels that I have installed over 40 years I have had none that got loose. If you use cheap or small hadware they will. But I use premium grade #14 stainless pan head screws of a proper length based on what they are going through.
Many aluminium boats have the rear bench running the other way along side the boat. How would you install a seat then ?
Watch the video from the beginning! It's there!
email me a picture of the inside of your boat and I will see if any options are available.
Ummm Did you ever sit in the seat in this video?
MusicMusicMusic
Yes, many times, why do you ask.
Ron
People say some of these aren't comfy, and others are, depending on the FOAM
MusicMusicMusic We only sell tow versions of seats made by WISE, even though they make several
different grades. The problem is that the big box stores portray the cheap junk
as not being cheap junk by not listing the entire model number. Some online
merchants also do the same.
We offer a low back that has decent comfort
and most my customers feel the same way. We sell these seat discounted at $46.00
and $43.70 for my boaters advantage members.
If someone tells you they
are selling the same seat for under $40, they are full of it.
The high
back we sell use a 2 density foam on sale for $65. While not the top of the line
$89 seat, these high backs provide a high level of comfort along with long term
durability against puddling and foam degradation. And my customers have given
only good ratings on these.
In my store we have one of each mounted on a
floor stand with a swivel so customers can try them out for themselves and see
the difference between the low back 1 density versus the high back 2 density and
decide which way to go for their money.
We also carry a tailored fitted
seat with a lumbar support and 4 densities of foam. These seats are usually
purchase by my customer who have bought a Starweld boat from me and have become
spoiled by these seats and will not settle for less. Sale price on these seats
is $350 each.
You get what you pay for, but as I mentioned earlier, if
big box stores or online stores say they can sell you the same for a lot less,
they are pulling the wool over your eyes.
You don't show any installation
To keep these videos in perspective as to a persons ability to complete such an installation, I believe that a person needs the basic skills of drilling holes and using tools to take on such a project. For safety reasons, I do not wish to show how to handle drills, bits, power tools or any of the basic tools required.