DPReview TV: Hands-on with Sony's new super-telephoto lenses (600mm F4 GM & 200-600mm F5.6-6.3)
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
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Chris and Jordan, along with editor Barney Britton, traveled to New York for a hands-on look at Sony's newest super-telephoto lenses: the FE 200-600 F5.6-6.3 G OSS and the FE 600mm F4 GM OSS. Find out what they think so far, and vote to tell us who shot the best sample images.
Chris and Jordan, along with editor Barney Britton, traveled to New York for a hands-on look at Sony's newest super-telephoto lenses: the FE 200-600 F5.6-6.3 G OSS and the FE 600mm F4 GM OSS. Find out what they think so far, and vote to tell us who shot the best sample images.
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An honour to be just off camera to the left when Barney's intro-ing the new lenses... thanks for your guest appearances in my video!
6:44 "Go mirrorless they said.
Small and light they said" -😅😅
And for his next lens/camera review, Barney will show us the GH6 with the Panasonic Leica DG Vario-Elmar 100-400mm.
yeah, where's our pancake 600mm f8? :)
I think gone are the days when mirrorless cameras _needed_ to justify themselves with their compactness or light weight in order to have a selling point over SLRs (although that can still remain a selling point for some systems/combos). Modern EVFs are better than OVFs in almost all ways, and any ways in which they still lag behind are technological limitations that will improve with time, not fundamental limitations inherent to EVFs. The mirror assembly was just a carryover from film technology when we couldn't possibly have detailed exposure preview, and it also turned out to be useful with early digital sensors that couldn't continuously be kept on.
@Phil Jones65 I don't think that has anything to do with mirrorless -- if anything, mirrrorless EVFs are much better than DSLR OVFs for manual focus, due to better focus preview options across the frame (focus peaking, punch-in zoom, etc.) and more global adaptability of legacy manual focus lenses due to the shorter flange distance.
It just so happens most modern lenses (for mirrorless or DSLR) are focus by wire, even though that's not an inherent requirement of either system.
Dumb dumb dumb
That 200-600 is my new favourite lens. I've taken it out to Inglewood Bird Sanctuary and Frank Lake recently and I am just falling in love with it. It takes absolutely gorgeous bird shots, especially of birds in flight. It tricks me into thinking I'm a better wildlife photographer than I am lol
You take your gear out in Inglewood? Brave man 😂
I can't wait for the 6000mm lens with integrated forklift....
It saves you on a gym membership
The bottleneck would no longer be the weight or glass quality, but air quality. Check out Nikon P3000.
Well, Canon did a 1200mm, now that's one to show off your muscles with... or your shiny new forklift...
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16500g (vs 3040g for the 600)
Or you could attach a camera to one of these:
www.skypoint.it/en/ota-reflectors/cff-telescopes/8776-cff-telescopes-classical-cassegrain-300-mm-f20-supremax33.html
Which is 6000mm and 17800g (but you might want to block out some of the stray light... it does come with a shroud)
Same thing with a 35mm f1.8.
It's fun watching you work with your boss Chris, very humanizing.
I would love to see this new Sony 200-600mm side-by-side with the Sigma 150-600mm f/5-6.3 DG OS HSM Contemporary Lens and the MC-11 adapter. These have both had recent firmware updates as well
Rather 150-600 Sport or 60-600 Sport. No reason to compare that with Contemporary version.
Great job guys! It's really nice for me taking photos of Air show and jet fighters, I'm now ready for purchase.
Had to vote for Chris, with the hand sharpie photo!
That 200-600... I think I'm gonna get it!
I love how the fireworks reflect in barneys eyes!!!
That shot makes me happy.
Yeah, that shot was a standout. Good job overall on the entire video. 👍
I'm getting 4000 ISO... Any series 3 body handles that ISO really well!
Thanks - especially to Jordan for his thoughts on focus-by-wire.
I just had to check my Sigma 150-600 contemporary, and no, it’s not focus-by-wire.
On the other hand my Canon STM lenses are f-b-w, unless I’m mistaken, and their AF beats everything else I’ve seen. So I don’t know, does f-b-w perhaps generally allow faster AF, or is it just some lenses?
Wow! Very impressive Sony. 2020 Olympics we will see these for sure.
@Strawberry Kiys Didn't say that. :)
Yes, on the billboards.....
:-( covid-19
"And full disclosure, this is a G&T" Lmao
Damn....I like this dude!
Great video guys! Jordan, you bring up an excellent point about focus by wire that I didn't touch on. I also noticed those Canon lenses on those Sony bodies and agree, it's gotta be because manual focus just is such a sub-par experience with these.
It's super frustrating. As you mentioned, the non-extending barrel makes the 200-600mm potentially perfect for a matte box and follow focus, but the focus-by-wire undermines that option. Nice work on your episode as well!
@@thatjordandrake The press release said both of these lenses had linear focusing response, so is it all down to the lack of distance scale for focus pulling, or does even the linear focus by wire not feel right?
@@needles_balloon The 200-600 isn't too bad (though no focus-by-wire system works properly with a follow focus), but the throw on the 600mm F4 was too long for me to use consistently, even with the linear response. I think Panasonic has the best solution on the S series, with customizable focus throw on FBW lenses and focus clutches on high end lenses.
@@thatjordandrake just curious, did you actually ask the camera operators regarding the use of Canon lens? In the video it sounded like an opinion, rather than a confirmed reason for why they had the lens on there. Maybe there's more to it than focusing? Just curious... thanks!
@@thatjordandrake in 2-3 yrs frm now,even video cameras will have better video af and not much people will care for manual focus.
Nice work guys. You’ll have to moonlight as sports photogs. 😊
What is the gimbal head being used for the 600mm?
Its a manfrotto.
Chris has an extremely soothing mellow voice.
Dang. Jordan's assessment was brutal (( Tamron 150-600 version one is a stellar lens. Tack sharp at 600mm with a crop sensor.
I thought my 200-600mm was big. That 600mm must be a beast.
Greetings from JERSEY! Come back and visit the state.
Can you tell us what Sony Camera are you using? a7r III or a9 ?
Really interesting review. Back when I got the original A7 people poo pooed big lenses on them and often mirror less in general. It's interesting to come back to photography after so many years away and seeing how things have changed. Hearing your accent I got very jealous. I would love to be over there making a living from photography. Sadly I lack one key ingredient, talent. I look forward to seeing more videos.
Chris got the far better deal here...he got the 600mm f4 lens later in the game when it got dark. I voted for Barney just because he was at a disadvantage.
Thank you guys!
Pentax used to have nice FA*250-600/5.6 lens... but in this case comparison with Sigma 150-600 S and 60-600 S is inevitable :)
At 6:40 he says: Go mirrorless they said , small and light the said. Mirrorless cameras and lenses are actually small and light. For example the Olympus Zuiko Digital ED 70-300mm 1:4.0-5.6 is small and light with 140-600mm (35mm equivalent) and 600 grams. Also the mirrorless cameras of Panasonic GM series weight around 200g
But it is not light due to the fact it is mirrorless..it is lighter because it uses smaller sensor ... for same sensor size the mirrorless would be lighter as a camera but lenses turned out to be about the same weight
Is the 200-600 an internal zoom lens?
I want to see 200-600mm lens with FS5 mark II. Want to see video focusing of this lens with this combination
Looking forward to hearing more about that 200-600. Thinking that I will sell my sigma 150-600 C for it.
I want to know if the sigma 150-600 C with MC-11 adapter on sony supports AF-C mode? Because I saw the introduction in Sigma website saying it can just do AF-S.
Songxin Liu yes, it works in AF-C.
600mm lens + 2x teleconverter = 1200mm... Can you imagine if this could be adapted to an M4/3 body? That would be 2400mm... Add in high-res mode and you can start cropping like crazy. You could, theoretically, have a 5000mm equivalent focal length. Perfect for those moon shots where you want to see the Apollo landing sites.
Practically every lens in existence could be adapted to fit M43 but I am happy with my own 100-400 although your idea sounds cool just heavy, expensive and not really in the M43 spirit lol
Add a Viltrox EF-M2 to reduce a Canon EF 600+2xTC, gives you the same 1200mm/f8 and reduces it to 852mm (.71x) and regain a stop and some sharpness, for about 1700mm equivalent. High res mode would not work well with the moon because it moves too quickly at that focal length. You could still shoot multiple shots and then merge them later for enhanced resolution but you'll have to align the moon, (or mount it on a tracker).
I doubt you'd be able to use high-res mode at those focal lengths where small movements by the (moving) moon would be magnified over the course of multiple shots.
APS-C is probably better option because you are getting that 1.5x extra reach but you are not loosing as much in low light as you would on current MFT cameras. If there was MFT with something like GH5s starvis senor but really good tracking autofocus system than that would be great.
@leicanoct
And I bought the Tamron 150-600 G2 just a couple months ago. Though 2k is a bit above the price range for me.
You guys do great work. And now I want to buy another lens.
It never ends, I have the 100-400 GM. Now I want the 200-600. And look at the price, I paid more for the 100-400?
@@bcrphoto7 Six hundred millimeters is better for wildlife and bird photography. While the 100-400mm is a great lens, I've hoped for a zoom that reached out to 600mm. I didn't think Sony would be the first one to come out with one on E-Mount. I am glad they did. And I am glad the price is reasonable.
Great video! Thank you for uploading!
600mm F4, that's a nice telescope
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No one uses a 600mm at these types of events. The 400mm 2.8 is the go to lens.
Not true, for soccer the 600mm f/4 is THEE lens to have! I personally use my personal 500mm f/4E VR FL on one of my D5's for soccer and baseball, but for basketball or football I will borrow a 400mm f/2.8G VR! My second D5 usually has my 70-200mm f/2.8E VR FL and for soccer, I typically use a 1.4x TC for when the action gets closer. However the best lens is probably the Canon or Nikon 180/200-400mm with 1.4x TC. However on full frame 400mm is just not enough for soccer. To give you an example, on an NBA basketball court I can fit even the tallest of players in the frame with plenty of room on a 400mm f/2.8, so on the much much larger soccer field 600mm is often NOT enough!
Waiting my 200-600,. Seem very nice, thank you for report. ☺
What sort of video is shot at 600mm?
great job, guys!
I have that problem with the lens collar on my 200-600. It does lock in other positions than default tho. Wich to me seemed like it was badly used before me. But I see now that it might be a factory issue?
This is great news for Sony photographers, and the field of wildlife photography.
Does anyone know the head for the monopod with the 600mm f4?
I’m definitely go for the 200-600, surely when the price can drop down to $1,200 US in real.
Hello , Between a Sony 200 - 600 mm lens And a Sony 100-400 F 4.5 - 5.6 with a multiplier of 1.4 to use on a Sony A7 IV which of the two solutions is better for sports photos at night with very good lighting?
Do you think that with this lens we can take pictures of correct sports at night ... in a properly lit stadium, I want to associate it with an a7iii or an a7riii.? Thank you
I love Liberty State Park. I've been going there regularly for the last 3 years for not only my own enjoyment but for photography. You can get some really great sunsets and sunrises there.
Can't pick either one of you in the poll - I think the 200-600 shots were better due to being able to choose your framing. Chris' shot of that signature with the 600 was great, though.
Did I spot a Gordy's strap on one of the cameras?
Thanks for taking shots of the South Ward (the Empire Supporters Club and the Viking Army). Would have love to shake your guys hands.
"go mirrorless they said, small and light they said". lol
it’s small and light, especially when compared to super telephoto lens from Canon and Nikon
6:43 Barney mumbling: "Go mirrorless,' they said. 'Small and light,' they said." while lugging a tiny mirrorless body with a huge ass lens mounted on a beefy monopod. ;-)
It's a physics reason, you cant built a small 600/4 lens
front element must be 600/4 mm wide
go MFT smaller and lighter , the olympus emx + 300 mm and new coming 150 to 400 * 2 crop factor will be the best combo to shot and run on the line to be in the action
ori mori I agree, if they’d get rid of the DFD and go phase detection.. Oly and Pano need to be able to keep up with the action and I hope they do.
@@johnsoncityaerialphotograp7201 Oly is hybrid phase detect. But really, DFD is very useable IRL IMHO, anywhere but for junior videographers on RUclips. Try it.
LexTNeville I’m sure it would be fine for portraits or RUclips, but in this context we’re talking about their sports and wildlife ability which has already been shown to not be up to par, or at least no where near Canikon/Sony are. Don’t get me wrong I think they’re great cameras and I even considered a G9 but they’re just no where close. I fly a MFT sensor in our aerial work still to this day.
Johnson City Aerial Photography LLC I much prefer m43 for wildlife actually. I was shooting for a Ranch in Texas and ended up putting away my 500 f4 and went with my Olympus setup. Ppl greatly under estimate the importance of composition in wildlife photography. I value it much more than sensor performance. You are simply limited in mobility and composition when shooting the big primes. I just think it’s a fact that is overlooked. My customers never ever know what is FF and what is M43
@@johnsoncityaerialphotograp7201 olympus have 141 phase detection cross type ,the em1x have 2 processors one of them for focusing and new deep learning for cars motorcycles plans trans and will add bird recognition
The Sony 70-200 is mechanical focus too
Yes, it certainly is. It was definitely one of it's selling points when Sony was marketing it. I don't know why they didn't know that.
Instead of the 600 f4 you’re probably better off getting the 400 2.8 and some converters?
Will they make a 800mm 5.6?
Probably, Sony can't stay behind😋
Where are the voting buttons? I do not see them on my.phone
This is great video. Thanks for making it.
Would be nice to get a deeper comparison of the 100-400GM vs. 200-600 G. Is the GM faster focusing with the teleconverter? Is there significant reason they called one G and the other GM?
Around 1:38 it sounds like you're saying the light isn't very bright in the stadium, so you're having to shoot at 4000 ISO. But your shutter speed is at 1/1000 at 347mm. Do you have to shoot soccer that fast? I would have thought you could shoot cut the shutter speed in half, to 1/500, which would allow you to cut the ISO in half, to 2000. Forgive me if I'm missing something. I'm only been doing this about a year now. You said "that's where Barney is probably doing better with that f/4 aperture." I get that the settings were probably for 600mm and then you had to zoom out to 347mm for this shot, but it still seems like the shutter speed and ISO could almost be cut in half to offer you the same light. Am I missing something?
@Foto4Max thank you for your response. I didn't realize it had to be that fast. This will be my next lens.
Test in rain? The lens may be weather resistant...how about the A7Riii and A9? Thanks
I am planning to buy Sony 70-200 f4, but now there is Sony 200-600 f5.6-6.3. So which one should I buy,, that I am a casual photographer, particularly taking pictures of flowers, insects, portrait and moon..
For flowers and insects your best bet would be the 90mm f2.8. This lens will work well for portraits as well. With the moon photography however, you would benifit from having the 200-600mm. I would perhaps buy the 90mm macro, and rent a telephoto lens anytime you want to photograph the moon (assuming its not that frequently).
At 9:45, that's what's everyone's wondering now, glad you asked the question!
“Go mirrorless, they said. Small and light, they said” 😂😂
excellent job. My doubt now is this. I use A7III e-mount with canon 100-400 II + sigma MC-11, with a lot of image quality is good speed, although sometimes I lose focus at the beginning of some shots and I can not use some unique sony focusing tecnologize. Now, This new 200-600, will it be better or not? Seeing my WONDERFUL 100-400 and buying sony? Yes or no?
Will the zoom work in low light? Is it better than the 100-400?
Not as good..
holy moly those are huge lenses
All photos with the 200-600 are at 200 or 3XX - why not show some samples at 500 or 600 to compare the 600 f4??
Ok, I saw the guy with the 600mm is using the a9
You didn't tell us about the face and eye detection with the telephotos.
It would be great if they make a video where they teach us how to use the 600mm f4, what speed to use? What opening to use? What ISO to use?
the sony a7r4 and the sony 200-600 and in several years that I have been taking photos, a bird in flight has hardly ever focused clearly on me. I sent my entire team to sony Spain on 3 occasions and they told me Everything is ok. Even now I sold the sony 200-600 and bought another new 200-600 and it always fails in bursts. .I think that this camera and this lens are never compatible in burst photos with moving objects and animals. My approximate configuration is:
ISO 800
speed 1/1600 or more
f10 always because in f6.3 the static or moving photos come out very little sharp I don't know why
central focus with tracking which is the last option on the menu.
60mpx extra sharp +5
Damn, Rishi you gotta come back bro I miss my brown buddy
Why not 300mm f2.8 E mount?
👍🏻👍🏻 Nice lens
the question is if these lenses are usable for sports or wildlife on a a7r3
Not sure about the a7r3, but checkout Kai W's review of those lenses on the a73. They are just as good on an a73. ruclips.net/video/qELKX--82MQ/видео.html
@@brendanfarthing I hear it's very close between a7iii and A7Riii with this lense
And people wonder why everyone is switching to Sony. Consistency. Come on Fuji with the XH2 and More lenses!!!!!
I was also wondering about the X-H2 and suddenly realized that the X-H1 was just released, last year. It's insane how quickly these cameras start to fall behind, specs wise.
@@SkylerKing I just want a XH2 because the XH1 didn't hit the mark for me. If the IBIS was smoother and had better Autofocus for video I would not be waiting for another camera. I really just want a way bigger battery, smoother IBIS, full phase detection that covers whole sensor, and 4k 60 and they should make a XLR adapter connector accessory and I'll be happy.
@@joshdiditt I've got the X-H1. The firmware updates have helped a lot. I'm hopeful that future firmware updates will do even more (especially seeing what firmware updates have been able to do for my X-T1). But, I agree, the X-H1 would be just "that much better" if it had the autofocus and video capabilities of the X-T3. That would be the biggest bonus, for me (I haven't had any issues with battery life, but that might be because I always use the vertical grip).
@@SkylerKing How do you like the IBIS for video? What other limitations have you experienced? I have the XT3 but looking for a second camera to compliment.
@@joshdiditt with the firmware update, the IBIS works much better. I actually haven't had any issues with it, at all. I actually had the X-T30, as well, but sold it recently. Though the autofocus tracking in video is better in the X-T30 (and X-T3), the X-H1 is actually still very good. Since the X-H1 still has so much in common with the X-T3 and several huge advantages over the X-T2, I haven't really had any issues with it, personally. That updated firmware really helped a lot.
I still think it would be a good marketing for Sony to make these big lenses orange instead of white. Instantly recognisable.
Minolta went white on big lenses before Canon did, and Sony is the "new Minolta", so...
SatanSupimpa and watch all the wild life hide or fly away. Do no wear red orange or yellow when wild life shooting.
nobody mentioned 600 vs 400 x1.4...
at what focal length does it go from F5.6 to F6.3?
Ken Cheng 201 mm
Just over 300 mm
The 100-400 will definitely be better than the 200-600 for airshows, especially if you're shooting planes as they taxi past, as part of your shooting. 200mm is just too tight for some of those shots. Also, for hand holding, the 100-400 is smaller and lighter. That could be an advantage for airshows.
Jay Philip Williams great input. What about video using the 100-400 for air shows? I’m using a a6600.
So which would be the better option for an apsc camera the 200-600G or 100-400GM.
100 to 400gm...is better.
Bog question. So in terms off hair products what ate they wearing? and which of these hipster brothers wore it best?
People with no idea of physics or optcial design complaining about size of 600mm telephoto lenses...
Want smaller options? Buy catadrioptic lenses.
Nikon and Canon, Sony is on your ass and is eliminating all excuses. Sony is bringing the big glass and is in this for keeps, wow. Great photos guys.
Yep, as I slowly age I wonder how much longer I will be carting a 600 f/4 Nikon around with me but, I'm not ready to admit defeat just yet :-)
So did you use your own cameras 📷?
Where in the UK is Barney from
What's the monopod head (looks like a Wimberley) to which the 600mm was mounted.
Dimitris Tsagdis Manfrotto 393 Gimbal
@@benomatography Tnx greatly appreciated !
I am looking at this and then looking at all these broadcast lenses with 60X or even 100X magnification that can capture broadcast quality HD pictures... Given that most of us see photos in 2MP screens, isn't those lenses just better? I am sure used they go close to the A9 plus this lens combo or a Sony videocamera plus this lens.
Id like to see the rumoured 20 2.8 pancake
Little by little, Sony are doing to the camera market what they did to the gaming console market 20+ years ago.
They've been making huge steps the past few years👍😮
good video. I hope you will do more affordable stuff too. lately it's been all highend expensive stuff reviewed.
“Mirrorless small and light”. Hahaha! I always said “BS” to that.
Lau Bjerno g9 with 100-400 all day
Lau Bjerno g9 with 100-400 all day
Mic volume is low..
Chris is the better photographer
Hi, I'm new to photography. I want a full frame camera, what do you recommend the sony a7iii or the nikon z6, I do not have glasses, I've only had one sony a6300. I want to throw pictures to my son who practices judo and to my daughter who will be born soon, in judo there is never good lighting, thanks for the recommendation.
Go for the A7iii with the 24-105 and a fast prime GM lens just for judo 👍🏻
That’s what I would do!
@@whereisramou thanks
A7 III for sure with a 55mm f/1.8 or 90mm f/2.8 if your budget allows it👍
Winner is Jordan
So, Justin Timberlake is doing the lens review too.
who cares about a 2 inch adapter when you are carrying a rocket launcher.
Thumbnail made me giggle
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i wait for the 12-600 F1,4