Are the secrets of the Vikings in their teeth? with Cat Jarman
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- Опубликовано: 25 фев 2024
- What we know about the mediaeval period comes, in large part, from what people wrote down about themselves and others. How do we find out about less-literate societies, like the Vikings? Cat Jarman has spent the last few years working on the the remains of the Great Army at Repton and the material artefacts they left behind. In her new book - River Kings she talks about the huge leaps archaeology has made with new technologies and all we can now learn from their teeth, jewellery, and even the metals of the Vikings. Welcome to Future Imperfect!
Producer: Natt Tapley
Audio: Pete Dennis 
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I hope that trend of historical podcast will continue it’s been a real pleasure. Thanks for the great content and interviews.
RUclips is grabbing them from the library over time.
@@ModernKnight Do you mean they are being taken down, by RUclips?
So glad to hear this podcast again. It is a winner for so many reasons!
Great conversation. Thank you both 😊
That was an excellent conversation! Thank you both❤️🤗🐝
Our pleasure!
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Thank you for this! Fascinating introduction to "Vikings" your unique dissection of this important ethnic group in polite conversation unravelling facts that Cat's research is continuing to unravel. Another book to purchase alongside your excellent publication 'Rebellion'.
I'm currently reading Cat's book and am enjoying it a great deal. This was a well-done interview with great questions and lots of time for the answers. Thank you, both of you.
I'm really liking this format. Thanks! T
Thank you. This was an informative, entertaining listen.
Sir I love the podcast, Keep up the hard work
Such an interesting period, thank you for this!
When these Vikings tested for best port locations on Greenland, back a thousand years ago when Greenland was arguably green on the southern end, they dumped wood boards/planks overboard out in the ocean off that coast. They chose places for their ports that that lumber was found to have been brought to by the natural ocean currents at that time. Smart.
I think that they must have had a rallying point in calling themselves something, like any worldly power would do. Only question is, was that “Viking”, or some other word/name.
For sure, they are responsible for all the gingers in the UK today. Probably responsible for that heresy too, that “gingers have no soul”, tho I can see why folks would have a long memory on something like that.
As I understand it, viking was basically a verb and not a noun. Viking is a thing you do. I would guess they used a variety of terms depending on what the main activity was expected to be on any given outing.
Regarding the discussion about bone structure @16:30; this topic is probably a bit outside of Cat's field and is more related to sports physiology. Although there are exceptions, in general bone mass is heavily influenced by how physically active someone is and what type of activities they regularly participate in, regardless of whether they are specialised or not. Bone mass develops along with lean body mass and someone who is fit, strong and leads an active lifestyle will have more bone mass than someone who doesn't. The main point that gets brought up about English archers is not just that they tended to have heavier bone density than average, but more than they had lopsided development which indicates long-term specialised training with heavy bows. However, the bones of any cadaver in good enough condition can be used to reasonably estimate how much lean mass that person carried.
Jason I wanted to ask, in medieval times who enforced laws? There were no police I assume
shire reeves, the local guilds, magistrates and judges etc.
@@ModernKnight thank you !
Great podcast interview. Even better questions. You are a natural interviewer.
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Jimmy - the Welsh Viking said they picked their teeth and had dents from picking at them . this is fascinating
There was a general improvement in Northern Europe in the climate round about 800AD. That was pointed to, a few decades ago anyway when I was in university, as a reason for the Scandinavian expansion in the early Middle Ages.
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Great podcast thanks alot 👍😊
Skipping it here but have subscribed to the actual podcast
Great ! Thanks.
Ooh I have her book❤
fascinating
The biggest thing about “Dark Ages” is that it should be treated as a relative term not an absolute description. It was a time of slower growth than the periods before and after, empires were falling instead of rising, trade was becoming more fractured, fewer great monuments were erected, etc. Unfortunately too many people go too far and think it was a time where nothing got done at all which is certainly not true. This then leads to a weird counter narrative as some try to overcorrect and say that actually there was no difference between the Dark Ages and the periods before and after, which is closer to the truth than the other extreme at least. Also some people retort that it was only a slow period in Europe and other places like the Middle East and Asia did just fine, which I’ve always disliked because yeah that’s how geography works. If I’m talking about the Warring States period I’m talking about ~500-200BC in China and not implying anything about what Europe was like at the time.
so the diffrence between between criminal damage and a historily important text is time
Again and again we can read in Viking sagas that this and this person was a famous Viking. And this was said about them when they for example was on a peaceful visit in Iceland and not at all on Viking.
So it could clearly be something you could be referred to as being also. (I must admit that i have read mostly Norwegian and Icelandic Viking sagas, so i do not know so much about the Swedish or Danish Viking sagas, beside from what most people who are a little interested in this know about those.)
A typical way a Viking adventure started in Norwegian and Icelandic sagas was from local leaders and kings that got a visit from another high ranked person who was planning to go on Viking, but first visited the local king, and they did a service for him for a certain time.(usually by being a part of their hird for a certain time, hird being the elite soldiers of the Viking king.)
Then they asked the king if it was ok for him that they traveled on when the spring came.
If the king was pleased with what they had done for him(or liked them in general) he would then often offer them a ship and men for that ship.
Also they was very superstitious when it came to for example luck, so a leader that had proven he had good luck would have a very easy time getting new people to join him, so just like to day, the more successful you had been, the more easy other people would follow you.
Also being able to be on a successful Viking tour would mean a lot of "money" for every single person that was on that Viking tour, this alone would make it pretty easy to get people to join.
I also believe there was a lot of Vikings that truly disliked Christians(for good reasons for them, but that is another story) so for many of them it was not even about making "money".
(Historians that must have absolutely prove of things before they dare to say anything about it, will deny this, specially if they them self are Christians, but if you read a lot of Viking sagas, it is pretty easy to read this between the lines.) And it is a fact that Christians started to target those in the north that was not Christians, both by direct attacks and by making it illegal to trade with them.
And i believe that was the main reason for why the Viking age started.
Just like when the Chinese did the same towards the Mongolians, and we all know how that ended.
(And to day we try to do the same against the Russians.. )
By the way, the Christians won the religious war, and it was Christianity that ended the Viking age. And again, yes it was a religious war.
There is other evidence for Viking age helmets. The Middleton crosses (9th-10th century) for example show typical conical helmets with nasals, like those across the rest of northern Europe at that period. There are fragments surviving from several other helmets as well. We certainly can't assume that helmets weren't just as common (or rare) as the rest of Europe based on limited survival.
Will this be uploaded to Apple / Spotify Podcasts? I'd love to binge all of these podcasts while working!
A lot of them should be available if you search for future imperfect podcast.
The thing about the Western Kingdoms of Europe being all one family of Vikings fighting for glory, reminds me of a funny scene in one of Bernard Cornwall's novels. The Black Prince is resting for a moment in the middle of a battle in France which he isn't thinking is going well. He meets the novels protagonist, a semi-commoner who he knows and respects from other battles, and in the comradery of battle, says something like "How are we doing?".
"Grand, lad, now on your feet, we have to fuck these Frenchmen, it's our duty as Englishmen" is the basic answer, delivered by someone who is SURE that
Englishmen triumph over the French.
This is his Prince, so he is English.
And the Prince has a sort of semi-serious revaluation of his "origin" . . . "We ARE English now, aren't we".
And the protag says "What? Of course we are, now get busy !".
My work mate has had his Dupuytrens corected in both hands and to to honest the viking does show strong in this guy 😁
Interesting comment re the importance of who your father was. In Scottish Gaelic "Co as a tha thu?" means 'where are you from' , but equally can be interpreted as 'Who are you from?'' i.e who is your father, according to a BBC Alba programme I watched recently. A ladting linguistic & cultural remnant of the Viking settlers in those areas of Scotland perhaps
Cat Jarman is wrong in one respect though. The Frankish Annals shows that Denmark was unified already around 800 AD. Ulf Näsmann believes it was unified much earlier and dominated the North Sea area during the weakening of the Franks in the seventh century, but there is no evidence for that, only indications.
Dudo of Skt. Quintin says that harald Gormsøn of Denmark (Harald Bluetooth) is related to Rikard of Normandy, which is why he leads a fleet/an army (same thing at the time) to support him. And Bernhard "The Dane" rules Rouen, so even if there were Norwegians in the army that settled in Normandy (which there likely was, at the time magnates and warriors from all over Scandinavia and England follwed whoever was the more succesfull), some of the leaders would be Danes.
Good talk Jason.
i made a crochet piece of Havelok on a boat.
Oh, rarely I see actual videos with this aspect ratio (podcast in this case, but in form of video)
I should have gone raiding during a gap year. :)
Excellent. And if you want to be a Viking ,just play Bannerlord computer game. :D
Where's Sturla when you need him 😅
A chat between these two would be great!
I know real viking history and never wanted to play as one in a game or watch media of them.
Fantastic podcast, though the start did dishearten me a tad. I hope we aren't so passive / terrified of inadvertantly upsetting someone as to give free reign to extremists to appropriate whatever cultural symbolism they want. I do not want to live in a world where discussing your heritage is walking on eggshells because people have allowed a tiny minority to have a monopoly on whatever they fancy.
A bit of cultural sensitivity required - just because the swastika has a begin historical connection walking around with one in Israel or Germany where it really has a specific local meaning that is quite traumatic and still just about in living memory... it would be rather inappropriate, if not outright hostile to the folks around you to do so, even if for you it has a different meaning. So outside of a very very specific academic type setting that symbol shouldn't be used there at all. One day the locals may have mellowed enough to accept the symbol predates the Nazi and it can become appropriate enough to use in its other contexts again, but until that happens...
You wouldn't want a heap of folks dancing on your lawn wearing, saying or otherwise doing stuff you find deeply offensive either.
In Japan it is a normal symbol and you see it on temples everywhere. And yeah, it is the original symbol, not the reversed one nazi used. But people still get deeply offended by seeing it. People who never been to Japan and never learned about its culture. Weird, right? For me it is more about people searching for enemies where there are none than cultural sensitivity issue. So, you found the "enemy", you wasted your energy, get more misconceptions and get depressed for no reason. It happens with anything, not only with this old symbol
It's historically significant to numerous Native tribes in the US as well, and historically in India.
After WWII, the Navajo Nation agreed to stop using it to distance themselves from the nazis - but again, that this symbol holds significance in so many different cultures that have existed since time immemorial, it seems unfair that one group should be able to ruin it for those who've outlived the bad one.
@@Your-Least-Favorite-Stranger true. And thanks for the new info, I was not aware american natives used it too
I just watched a video on the channel Captain Eggcellent telling me that Jason Kingsley is CEO and Cofounder of Rebellion, who makes awesome games like Sniper Elite 5.
Just watch the clip at the time 5:39 on this video:
I would have said that it was that Scandinavia was beginning to become over populated.
That drove exploration.
Britain, Greenland, Faroe Islands and the had lower population levels with Britain having marshes with plentiful eels.
This ‘need’ to expand beyond tribal borders drove the technology needed to satisfy this desire.
As is often said: Need is the mother of invention.
Gfy about "extremist"
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Who pays for the isotope analysis?
presumably the researchers?
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They DID pillage
What kind of pathetic cowardly idea is this? We fought and won WW2 I`m sorry wer are NOT just going to give our runes or other norse symbols to the extremists.
I think you go over symbols like swastikas too easy. I live in Germany now, and it is forbidden by law to wear symbols misused by the nazees.
Of course some people will demand freedom of choice, maybe those people should go visit one of the KZs.
Maybe they can learn about other peoples feelings there.
It was tangential to the subject, a breakdown of how the use of symbols in the modern era have shifted is a subject for its own conversation.