Corrosive Ammo in an SKS after 2,200 rounds and 1 month of neglect
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Holy crap. Good on you for having the balls to do this...I've been known to skip meals in order to get mine clean as soon as possible.
Every time I watch your videos I get so jealous... in our country we aren't allowed to have these beautiful guns. Please keep fighting always for your right to bear arms.
Greetings from Argentina.
This may be changing with your new leader in 2024. Am I correct? ;)
Wish I had 2200 rounds to rust my gun up with lol
XLARGE lmao right. you can barely even find surplus ammo and if you do its too expensive.
abraham m Reload your own ammo.
@@abrahamm1325 not in canada lol we get chinese
Tulammo is cheap. It’s 40 round for 12 dollars from where I’m at. Only a dollar more then a 20 round box of 223. It’s pretty inexpensive.
@@ryanwaterman3473 > Reload your own ammo
> most if not all surplus ammo is berdan primed
yeah good luck with that one chief.
I bought a Chinese type 56 SKS for $50. The guy who sold it to me complained of double and triple fires when he would go to the range. I got it out of the stock and started cleaning. It became obvious that he had never cleaned it! The firing pin was wedged forward from all the caked up carbon inside. Getting the upper hand guard off was difficult due to all the grit. Cleaned up nice though and shoots just fine now :-)
PCShogun and you could probs sell it for $900-1200 today
NotAMethDealer Not in America.
NotAMethDealer
judging that you can find them online for around 200 dollars, 300 with tapco assembly...i don't think he can sell his for that much....
@@joshinez8005 no way can you find an SKS Type 56 for 300 anywhere. I've been searching for months and the best I could find was around 450, but the rifle was beat to hell. They are not easy to come by..
@@user-mq1up2fw4r can find them for 299 to 340 in new Brunswick canada cheap gun here
my baby watched this video and the first words he ever spoke were...wust, wust.
Gonna know what NOT to let on his guns!
; )
New drinking game, every time Eric says surface rust or stuff do a shot.
+Randy or okay in most video😀
+Cutlery Addiction I can drink like a fish, but I'll admit, I'd be plastered walking backwards by the 4 minute mark.
2 minutes in I am drunk
How about every time he says he left this rifle without cleaning it "on purpose". I get that. You get that. Eric is just a bit sensitive about having a dirty firearm. Good man.
Needs more SURFACE RUST
corrosive ammo is not a horrible thing to shoot out of your rifle, you just have to clean it really well after you shoot it. i shoot military surplus ammo with my mosin nagant and it is vary accurate. after im done shooting i just use some windex with ammonia on the barrel, bolt, and magazine then use a bore brush down the barrel, a few patches then some oil and i don't have a spot of rust on it
Hoppes #9 It was created with Corrosive in mind. Otherwise any ammonia based household cleaner will do when dealing with a firearm that has fired corrosive ammo
+Albert Ferri what the fuck? You just walk around spitting good facts and think it's ok?
+Albert Ferri Hoppes #9 current formula (both oil and bore cleaner)
DO NOT!!!! account for corrosive salts. I found out the hard way.
Ammonia is not good for corrosive salts, the water in the windex is what does the job, the ammonia just helps the water evap. quicker.
the ammonia WILL mess up your wood on your older guns, especially a with a nice oil finish...
Just use a spray bottle with water, while the barrel is WARM, not scalding hot.
+Albert Ferri Ive used wd 40 on my mosin.
I have used WD 40 and Hoppes 9 together pretty successfully. I haven't fired corrosive ammo in nearly 20 yrs but I have two tins of 440 rds of it for my Mosin. My general rule of thumb is that I'll still fire in a bolt action but I don't want to mess around with anything semi-auto and corrosives. There's just too many nooks and crannies and a gas operating system that can be missed
Don't get me wrong I'm pretty good getting them clean. But the older I get the worse my eyesight is becoming and I would hate to ruin a perfectly good semi auto
"nice" and "rust" are 2 words I would not normally use in the same sentence. :o)
it's nice that there's no rust on my gun.
dutchsouthernrockfan Much better :o)
rust is not nice
unless you're looking for a good rat rod body....
this makes me so sad to see a rifle in this condition.
+AllOrNothinEnt Collectors would disagree with you...
+AllOrNothinEnt It's not well used, it's just plain neglected. I'm curious why he did it with a nice sks and not a cheap(er) Nagant.
Point taken on this video...I appreciate your sacrifice. I've got some of that corrosive ammo, and I was curious about what might happen. Thanks for making this video!
how did the bore look? actually for all that ammo and lack of cleaning it still looked really good. A lot better than I would have expected.
Even when I let my friends fire a few mags through my AR, I always tear down the whole bolt carrier and clean the whole upper. When I test fired 5 rounds in my XD .45 after changing the firing pin spring. I completely cleaned it after
Just terrible
1400 rounds through mine since cleaning over a 6 month period in british columbia humidity. Only problem I had was the firing pin sticking forward once which is more of an advantage in my eyes :)
It would be interesting to see what happened to the bore itself and the gas tube. I doubt all that surface rust on other parts would prevent it from working well.
Thanks, gives us a good idea of how soon the damage can set in with corrosive ammo. I felt guilty when I let my Mosin go 2-3 days after shooting 60 rounds of corrosive in the past, and since then picked up some Russian Brown Bear non-corrosive. I only buy non-corrosive Brown Bear or Tula for my SKS.
"Nice Coat of Surface Rust" Love this guy!
That chipped extractor looks like an old damage, the edges seems rounded off from post-break wear
That went through my head too.
+J. Dana Clark yeah, seemed like it broke off too cleanly, as opposed to it disintegrating away
its probably been like that since 1952... no need to replace it but masewell throw money on the fire "for safetys sake"
An easy thing to do when You're shooting corrosive surplus ammo is to bring a thermos full of hot water, a small funnel and a few cleaning tools along with you when You go shooting. When You're done, pull the bolt out and pour hot water down the barrel and wash off the bolt, then dry and run a couple oiled patches through and over everything. The water washes out the corrosive salts, leaving nothing to damage the metal.
'Simple Green' never really worked that well w/ me; I've always used Hoppes #9 solvent and/or Ballistol as soon as reasonably possible, usually the same day. Works great!
2 parts liquid Ballistol, 8 parts water, mix in spray bottle. Used it for years on both black powder and corrosive ammo. Spray parts thoroughly and allow to soak for a few minutes. Clean, lubricate and re-assemble. What we did in he Army, I still do- the next day, tear down again, wipe parts, lubricate as necessary and re-assemble. You will be surprised what soaks out of the cracks during the night.
@Iraqveteran8888 I have a Savage model 4 C that was my grandpas, it has been in my family for four or five generations now. Atleast I'm fifth generation to ever shoot it. It had not been cleaned once and would never eject bullet. I spent four hours, an entire bottle of solvent, over 100 patches and its working like brand new, their was so much lead fowling that you could barely see any rifeling, now its dead accurate at 150 yards, and works like a charm, just shows that cleaning does help
I have yugo sks and my buddy has a almost new issue grade russian sks, he must have found some corrosive ammo and put a couple boxes through it. he called me up and asked if I would clean it for him, well after bringing it home i saw what i was in for as he had not cleaned it in about a year. Chamber, bolt, gas tube, receiver ext all had huge amounts of surface rust, well 4 hours latter lets just say he owes me a couple beers lol
your a nice guy!
Sounds like an abusive "friend". Keep an eye out for his willingness to help you.
ZdenekJindra no, he literally does not know how to fully disassemble an sks lol
nmdiesel89 I know you already know this, but your friend needs to learn at least how to field strip and clean his weapon. If/when the SHTF, his life and those he protects, will depend on him... not you, my friend.
Pk Spence oh I'm tracking, I sat him down and showed him a step by step.
My SKS gas piston rusted BADLY. It created a thick fur coat of rust. I shot it in a rain and forgot to disassemble/clean the gas piston part. Had to sandpaper it off, no amount of oil and rubbing with cloth would remove the rust. Took a couple of weeks. I cleaned and oiled the rest of the gun the same evening and it's still shiny.
I don't strip down my bolt guns either...I scrub the bore for copper and powder fouling, clean the bolt face, and reapply lube as required on the lugs and sear, then reassemble. If the rifle is exceeding fouled, I'll run a doused patch of hoppes 9 and let it sit overnight, then reengage the next day. My 03A3 still shoots pretty damn well out to 400 yards even with me behind the trigger
I shoot one of my Mosins pretty regularly, about 40 rounds per week, with only corrosive ammo and never clean it. Haven't cleaned it since I first bought it over a year ago. It's still doing fine. Some surface rust but nothing some gun oil wont wipe off. Bore is still decent too. Not sure if its because it is shot regularly or what.
Note:The bore/breech on an sks, or ak variant are usually CHROME LINED. No damage occurs to the chrome lining, it will clean up like new with oil and brush. if the entire gun surface was chrome plated you could shoot corrosive ammo and never see rust or corrosion.
Not true.
12 years later and I gotta say, you're doing God's work by making this video friend
well, the ammo has a primer that has chemicals that when ignited leave a residue of corrosive salts. Most often these primers have potassium chlorate, or sodium petrochlorate which, when burned, decompose into potassium chloride or sodium chloride.Sodium chloride is also known as common table salt.The good side to that is the bulets last much longer,than non corrosive
I did the same with nearly the exact same amount of rounds and time left sitting after shooting. My M59's barrel was coated with rust. I'm talking bad. I had to put a cleaning rod on my drill with a wire brush on the end and let the barrel soak overnight in CLR. After A LOT of elbow grease, I got it back to shooting condition. That's learning the hard way what corrosive ammo does to a non-chrome lined barrel!
Yes, your basically right(All you really need is hot water) the need for soap(Or a bottle of ammonia..Windex is basically all water) is just to help break up the oils that could be covering the salts.
I use pure simple green in a small plastic container with a locking lid to clean the bolt, carrier, small gas piston rod and spring, etc. It works REALLY well. Put the parts in, shake it up, and let it sit for a few minutes. The simple green turns brown right in front of you...
I was shooting surplus 5.45 and left the piston dirty for a couple days. When I came back, there was huge pockets of rust that had formed all over. It even left pits on the shaft of the piston and it is made from stainless.
Norinco surplus has not been corrosive since the late sixties. I shot 750 bullets from factory 71, production year 1996, and about 550 rounds from factory 61, production year 2002. Cleaned the AK about 2 times in the stretch of a year and a half and there was ZERO corrosion. Rounds not super accurate, but I wont miss a human at 200 - 250 meters. Shot it with Norinco Type56S, and to date it have never botched a cycle. The 750 1996 bullets was lacquer coated and the rest copper washed.
I fired 80 rounds of corrosive ammunition out of my new Russian SKS and let it sit a couple months until I went to cleaning it. The front of the bolt and the barrel was pretty rusted up. I didn’t think 80 rounds would cause this, I will make sure I Clean it every time now!
I have a VZ 58 that I only fire surplus corrosive ammo through. I clean it after every shoot with boiling water. I pour it right down the barrel and then use a brass brush and jags. I have never had a problem with the firearm. I love the cheap ammo!
The harbor freight ultrasonic cleaner works a ton better than scrubbing the small parts. Just set it and come back 10mins later and parts come out perfectly cleaned.
This is a great video! Thank you so much for making that sacrifice of that rifle for our education. One question: How well does simplegreen and water really work? I would have guessed that the water aspect might cause the gun to rust further? Is there a ratio of simplegreen:water that you go by to keep the solution gun-friendly and rust-free?
@DeanMLFlame A trick for shortening the cleaning: run something with ammonia and water through it, like windex or hot soapy water with your bore mop. The ammonia will eat through the corrosive salts and the water will wash it out. Give it a dry patch run after
That must have taken a lot of patience to think "I'm going to let this sit and rust, just so that I can show the viewers how important cleaning and inspecting is."
Thankfully, you knew how to correct the situation.
Thanks for the sacrifice to keep us educated.
I use Hoppe's # 9 solvent followed by a light coat of oil. It is best to do the cleaning as soon as possible after a firing session. The simple green and water are for after a firearm has been neglected. Oil and water don't mix, and the water will cause rust in its own right, so a water cleaning should be followed by a good cleaning and oiling. The Hoppe's is an excellent solvent for corrosive ammo cleanup, but the main point is that you need to do your cleaning ASAP after firing.
I had a never fired Russian surplus Mosin-Nagant, which I loaned to a friend. He fired about 20 rounds and put it away. I got it back from him about a year later. When I cleaned it, the Bore looked like it had grown a fur coat. I cleaned and scrubbed the bore till all deposits were gone. After cleaning, the bore was nice and shiny. The rifling was almost completely gone. It looked a lot like a pitted shotgun barrel. My beautiful Mosin was worthless. The lesson is, clean early after shooting corrosive ammo!
How about just using non corrosive ammo instead?
@@ziggyz2958 880 rounds for the mosin used to be sub 200 dollars a number of years back. That's why.
I remember the first time I ever fired my SKS, it was with corrosive surplus ammo and fortunately I was with a friend familiar with that ammo who made me clean the rifle in a bathtub full of warm water & soap. That worked fairly well followed by a thorough drying which was then followed by a light oiling with CLP. Even with regular ammo, it's not a bad idea to do this type of cleaning now and then to remove old gunk in small areas as long as you make sure to it well dry and oil it afterwards.
It's a detergent, and a mild solvent. Used for cleaning up greasy messes and burnt on food, like powder residue.
I would also mention that spray lubricant/protectant (Rem Oil in my case) is great to get rid of small patches of surface rust. Dirties up a patch quite well.
Gun Gripes! Eric and Berry I'll be seeing you guys in July, headed that way for a trip through Atlanta on up to Nashville. I think I'm gonna buy a PLR 16 from yall. Can't wait to see you guys and God bless!
Yeah Ive always wondered that myself. I mean, 2200 rounds is a lot to go through even in a semi automatic rifle. Take into account how much slower a bolt rifle is and you gotta have a relatively small number.
You don't even need soap. The corrosiveness from surplus ammo comes from salt (much like how salted roads can eat away at the metal of your car), and hot water alone can dissolve that. You could use soap though it's not really necessary, but something like hot water+Ballistol or CorrosionX is still much better as it washes away the salt and prevents rusting as well.
Simple Green. It's a common degreaser, it can be found in any well stocked auto supply shop or hardware store.
New drinking game. Drink whenever Eric says "rust" and three times each time he says "surface rust". Empty whenever he says "good stuff". LOL! Just messing with you. Great video :-)
People think because you have an ak-47 or sks that you don’t have to clean them but fact of the matter is no matter what firearm you have you must keep them clean to prolong their life and function
In the Army we used straight solvent tanks to clean the Browning .50s. Grease Em back up, good to go.
i have fired close to 4000 rounds in my sks over about two years and never cleaned it once...and i am impressed cause i haven't even had one jam. sks is built like a brick %%%% house!!!
SKSs have chrome lined bores, generally are not attacked by corrosive primers.
thank you for doing this video eric. Not very many people would risk their weapon to educate others. It also gives an idea into exactly what corrosive ammo does and how long you have before damage is done
in fact, the AA-12 does not need to be cleaned after use, because it was made to enter the water, mud, sand, all without locking ...
i wish i could do all this stuff in my country :-(
When I got mine it was rusted up also, I took it apart and put all the components in Rustolium over night and washed it with water. All rust gone. Works great.
Try pouring boiling hot water down the barrel, gas system and working parts, then lightly lube afterwards, I have always done this and it works well.
Good video. You are right about proper, timely cleaning, but I have cleaned some AR's right after the range and there was much more carbon, but no rust. All in all, that Yugo ammo seems pretty clean! I once loaned a Chilean Mauser to a buddy, who shot corrosive ammo through it, and didn't bother to clean it. Had I known he was using old, surplus ammo; I would have never let him use it. He finally brought it back (after 2 months), not cleaned. I found the bore was pitted when I cleaned it.
Good video. Corrosive ammo is cheap and reliable. It was the standard for most of the 20th Century. It will ruin a weapon if not cleaned but its not as horrible as gun writers say. Boiling water and dish soap will stop most corrosive action. British made ammo is the most corrosive I have ever seen, yet Enfields have dark but good bores. They issued funnels for pouring boiling water down the bore, and they had small screen pullthroughs for scrubbing out red rust. Oil after cleaning.
I used your suggestion from one of your videos a long time ago regarding corrosive ammo. I pour a little Birchwood Casey Muzzle Magic #77 into the chamber and barrel and run nylon brush through it a couple of times before heading home from the range. Works like a charm every time. Thanks again.
I looked everywhere to get some elbow grease to help clean my rifle, ended up doing it myself again 😂
Plain old warm water and a chemical cleaner called 'Simple Green'.
Cheers,
Sean.
That is a very good example of why I avoid corrosive ammo. I clean my guns after every outing, but even so.
yes it will but it will be fine quad rails are aluminum it doesnt rust, the only thing that will happen is your fingers will get a bit dirty after alot of use, not to mention the quad rail will have a finish on it as well.
So I guess the thought process was if you end up with an old neglected SKS with rust all over, perhaps one that was simply not stored properly with oil or cosmoline, worst case scenario is you kick the bolt open, and it'll still run accurately. Perhaps reliably as well, I know my experience so far with my 1954 SKS has been 99.9% reliability. Literally. 1 malfunction in 1000 rnds of Czech surplus lol
I’ve used plenty of this corrosive 7.62x39 ammo and I’ve had no issues. I always clean my firearms after every use regardless of what ammo i put through it.
already shared this with two people with older guns since i seen it 3 days ago. great vid.
It is the chemicals in the primer that is corrosive, not the powder. I agree that using water to clean a firearm is a really bad idea because it accelerates oxidation. If you have to use it, put dishwashing soap which makes it alkaline and acts as a surfactant. Never use drain cleaner. Those products are usually phosphoric acid based. If you put 2200 rounds of anything through a firearm and leave it uncleaned for 3 months, you are going to get rust. Whether I shoot 50 or 500 rounds, I always clean my firearm within 48 hours. Even if you do not shoot your firearm at all, you need to clean it periodically due to ambient atmospheric moisture which can cause rust.
Everybody used corrosive primers back then probably as a cost thing though I'm told the US switched to non-corrosive for their military ammo in the 1950's and I believe the Soviets started the changeover in the late 1970's-early 1980's. I just field strip my SKS and give the parts a good scrub with hot soapy water when I get home from the range followed by a thorough soaking with WD-40 and then clean and re-oil as I would any other rifle.
@Matthew Smith, rubbing alcohol will just take off the oils from your hands, and dry up old oil from the action. I suggest CLP, or M Pro 7, but Rubbing alcohol will dry up old oils, and it will not harm the finish.
great topic, just yesterday I was doing research on corrosive ammo remedies
Water isn't necessary to rusting, it just helps it occur faster. Rust, on Iron and Steel, is nothing more than Iron Oxide, we all know this. All it takes is air and time. Even Stainless stell will rust given time.
Just do what he did here. Use a water/detergent mixture to neutralize the salts found in surplus ammo, then clean and lube the gun in a normal fashion. It's not that big of a deal, you'd need to neglect the weapon for weeks to cause trouble. Just clean up within a few days of shooting.
maybe the area you keep it in is not idea, you want a very dry and mild temperature room to keep it in, and generally the barrel oiled up if your going for long term storage, i try to store mine in special container, wrap it in cellophane and then dump cheap dry rice around it, and that keeps it pretty good.
It's not a Yugo SKS. The rifle is a Chinese Norinco SKS-D with a shorter barrel and AK style muzzle break. When he said Yugo in the video he was referring to the surplus ammo he was shooting.
I bought an ultrasonic jewelry cleaner from the goodwill for $2 and I use it to clean small parts. It rocks.
use dishwasher next time :)
Good vid. really gets the point across. Always clean your firearms!!!!
Aparentemente el sks esta permitido solamente con el cagardor interno.
SKS it's only allowed if it has an internal mag.
I didn't know what corrosive ammo could do to your gun until I watched this video mine sat in storage for 3 months without cleaning.
1/4 of the way through I was on my second Beer!
And about the receivers, Forged is not always better, yes it is heavier and more sought after in the AKs but it is also a bit more brittle.
Maybe use a dedicated copper solvent instead of an ole standby like #9. Dont clean the bore of your rifle as often as you do. A little oil when stored, and never shoot with oil in the bore. A thorough cleaning will kill the accuracy you worked for on the range. A lot of people make that mistake. Clean the bore, go shoot 500 rounds until they get satisfactory groups, then go home and and clean the bore that gave those groups, putting them back where they started. Copper solvent me thinks will do
Good video. I am forwarding this to several of my friends who are new to being gun owners.
Like I keep saying... I HAVE NEVER CLEANED ANY OF MY GUNS, I shoot them regularly, they all shoot accurately and function fine. Guess Im just good at keeping the dirt and grit out of them when I use them. Lots of my fellow peers could say the same too.....Why is everybody acting so pissed about it?
i bought a mosin nagant about 5 or 6 years ago, i shot atleast 3000 rounds through it in a 4 month period and didnt touch it since till last week, (all the ammo was surplus) and with out cleaning the gun for atleast 4 years with corrosive ammo the bolt was stuck to the chamber, the magazine was all messed up, trigger rendered useless... remember, ALLWAYS clean your guns.
I had rust the day after just firing a dozen rounds through a Mosin. I had guests over and did not have time to immediately clean. To me the moral is to just not shoot any corrosive ammo. It's too easy just to get the right brass and reload it with good stuff.
Everyone I know uses Windex with ammonia for corrosive ammo.
sancoffsr the reason why windex works is the 90% of water that's in it
In my shop we use an air compressor set to 90 psi and we go to town then used compresses oil (like a can of rem-oil) to spray the parts, works like a champ. Look into ezzox for an oil/cleaner, it's what we use and have had great results.
The French MAS 49/56 shooting that old Syrian ammo is another one to watch. The powder is bad enough, but the primers are much worse. They'll turn your MAS into junk in a week, even in low humidity.
I'm German and my parents were both born there. YOU are the one taking him seriously. I'm an American and I absorb plenty of anger with the understanding that each human lives in his own reality. Our chubby friend here is just like you and me....full of inconsistent thought processes that lead him to irrational conclusions. JUST.....LIKE....THE....REST.....OF.....US.
actually I know he's nuts. I'm just not as upset about it.
Depending on his State's climate, if its high and dry shooting surplus just means the action is very dirty but absent of all corrosion. The salt accumulates water vapor from the air during storage, no water vapor, no problem.
China is still not allowed to export semi-automatics into the US civilian market, so $75 SKS' and ~$300 Polytech M-14's are still out of the question for us. Our prices are more like $300 Norinco SKS and $800 Polytech M-14. They do still export various manually operated shotguns and rifles though. I have been meaning to try their Interstate Arms 870 clone with a cylinder barrel and dovetail sights.
Geez, up here in Washington state I've been looking for a type M for over a year now with no luck. Great vid!!!
Well, I guess you can't say that "No SKS' were harmed in this video." and this is why I think that guns should be made of stainless steel. It's just a better material that won't corrode. Sure it costs more, but it lasts forever, just like a kitchen sink! :)
i am the kind of guy that cleans my rifle after shooting like 100 rounds at the range a couple times a month :P
Same here lol
The corrosive primers were less expensive and I believe a bit more reliable.
what does the inside of the bore look like?