I finally passed this today. For almost a decade I thought it would be impossible for me. I cannot express how it felt when I made it to the slowdown after the death streams with 0.0001% of my dance meter left, fully expecting to fail right then, and somehow recovering. 1:23-1:31 felt like an out-of-body experience
When DDR Extreme/Extreme 2 were the most popular, this was THE hardest song that they had. its still one of the hardest songs out there, but its been relegated to more of a gatekeeper; if you can't reasonably pass this, you have no change with the 17s, 18s, or even the 19s.
This is where I plateaued. Charts with heavy crossovers/mandatory crosses are so much more incredibly difficult for me compared to a front facing chart like legend of maxx or maxx unlimited/max 300 etc. Been actually ready to tackle charts with more crossovers
there are a decent few 17s easier than this imo. emera csp is a crossover-heavy 17 that i would place below this in terms of reading and passing difficulty
1:09 - 1:22 is easily one of the best runs ever made in DDR, if you don't start off facing the right way and turning the right way at the interval changes then you risk screwing up the flow of the stream and have to double step your way out haha.
16/17? This shit was a secret/first 11 footer for DDR in Extreme. Deadly flow, masterminded chart, great song. PSMO / So Deep are expertly charted for fun / difficulty. Give those employees kudos.
Well, like yeah, Paranoia survivor is just slower and Paranoia survivor max is just the same song, but with speed up and makes it more challenging, just like MAX 300 turns into MAX 360.
@@Pokaroquai Paranoia Survivor Expert has a progressing curve in terms of difficulty with the crossovers that appeared near the end of the song, in which I found the crossover drills more pain to do than the 9 step crossovers afterwards. Paranoia Survivor Max Challenge just throw you the crossovers from the beginning and there's isn't any other songs that you can practice your crossovers at that speed at the time.
Really? Aside from the ending run I'd argue this chart breaks flow quite a few times in fairly annoying spots, still fun to nail. I'd argue it's about on par with most modern 16/17s as far as quality
oh yeah I remember the first time I saw someone pass this back in the day. You got talked about if you could clear this chart. and of course we had JSB AA'ing this shit like two months after it came out and everyone just felt inept lol
The first two steps are left foot on down, right foot on left (if you play the jumps going into the stream moving only one foot between each jump, you end with your left foot on down). As long as you start the stream with a crossover like this, the entire rest of the song flows perfectly!
@@rickwoods5274 Thanks for the advice!! I think it's something that I've got to go through and study a few times at slower speeds on YT, and then give it a few tries on the actual pad. The tricky thing for me is both the speed and how unforgiving the patterns are - it's pretty hard for me to recover there if I mess up the stream at any point. But that's what makes this a fun 16 :D
@@gonzo_o_o Yeah totally, if you lose your place in the stream, or get foot-tied, you're done for. One thing that can help get the pass is relentlessly forcing alternation -- the rhythm is extremely straightforward (it's just an unbroken stream, with gaps at very specific predictable measured spots), so if you internalize that rhythm, never stop stepping, and constantly alternate feet, you will *probably* never get foot-tied, and have an easier time recovering if you lose your place. Once you get that down, the twists will start coming more naturally, and you'll eventually FC the section. It's hard, but you can do it!
@@rickwoods5274 I wanted to come back to this old thread to say that I passed this today! I started passing 17s recently, so I decided to give this a shot. This honestly felt like another 17 to me... hella streams with almost no breaks, and those final crossover runs really put the pressure on. But thanks again for the advice - happy to finally get this crossed off my list 😎
As someone who played DDR a lot but quit after Extreme, I was always baffled when I started getting back into it that this was only a 16 footer. ESPECIALLY since Maxx Unlimited (SIGNIFICANTLY easier) is also a 16 footer. What is the point of widening the difficult scale if you still end up rating songs of such different difficult on the same level?
I personally believe this is a 17, it’s technical and tiring as shit. It pretty much goes on for the entirety of the song duration with barely any breathing room.
yeah back in the day, you got talked about if you could pass this chart. i always say this is the song/chart that pushed dance simulator games to the next level.
I just watched a few Level 17 charts, and I feel like this just misses the mark for a 17. Those other charts were both faster and longer, but it had the same theme of constantly bringing the heat. Although I feel like a lot of boss charts now-a-days just throw spaghetti at the wall and hope you figure it out.
Absolutely. This song instilled fear into me during the extreme days. I rather play 17s and 18s than this song. I've only passed it and am afraid to touch this song even though I have higher scores on most of my 17s. I'd rather play faxx than this song lmao. It's a mental block. Update: 3 Attempts later since my previous message and I've 960k it. Increased the speed mod helped even if it was a bit fast for my comfort. Still going to avoid this song until I plan on AAAing it.
@@spacemonkeys6786 Yeah I have stupid muscle memory on this when I was bad at it. If it was released today, I'd probably find it to be easier. I need to not touch it and forget about it until it feels like a sight read.
That's why it was always called the Hell Run. The entire song was pretty simple (If you could pass the Maxs, then the start of this was no problem). That run is what killed it for people lol
The patterns in this song are pretty random and extremely (lel see what I did there) hard to read, and in Paranoia Hades CSP, it's the same crossover patterns I've been seeing for years.
Psmo's crossovers are way more forgiving. For each set of crossovers, there's a small set of easy patterns on the tail end. With hades, it's nonstop crossovers at an incredibly fast speed, with no leeway between crossovers. On top of that, there are jumps in the middle of the crossovers
It's harder to read PSM, but even though Hades has easier crossovers it's slightly faster, longer, and has several jumps. I know exactly what you mean, btw.
@@Kain_R_Heinlein maybe? Definitely not the same difficulty as Paranoia survivor Expert, I feel the BPM change is enough to warrant it to be higher, at least, that said, PSMO is significantly harder than its expert chart.
I can't imagine how people dealt with this when Extreme came out. I've played pretty much every song in that game and NOTHING preps you for the ending. The MAX songs are faster versions of stuff you've already seen but I don't remember anything that played like the ending here. And also unlike the MAX songs you can't just push yourself harder and harder to win. That's part of it obviously but really you can either read it or you can't. I don't think it's a 17 but MAXX UNLIMITED isn't even close.
Back in the days of DDR Extreme (almost two decades ago), Oni was the name for what is today known as Challenge Mode. So the Challenge version of Paranoia Survivor Max was called Paranoia Survivor Max Oni. This was arguably the hardest track in the series until DDR SuperNOVA came out and introduced tracks like Healing D-Vision and the Fascination series. Thus, this track was often shortened to PSMO due to its notoriety!
Funny you mention this, because Chris is currently blazing through the entire 16 folder for the white lamp. We are gonna see this song's first MFC soon I imagine...
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I finally passed this today. For almost a decade I thought it would be impossible for me. I cannot express how it felt when I made it to the slowdown after the death streams with 0.0001% of my dance meter left, fully expecting to fail right then, and somehow recovering. 1:23-1:31 felt like an out-of-body experience
That's freaking AWESOME!
Paranoia Survivor MAX times 1.25 = Paranoia Revolution Lite (357 BPM)
gratz bro! how's the progress going? :D
@@denis-yj3tw I am now working on easy SP 18s and medium DP 17s!
@@extraordiberry that's impressive, leave us some! :D
i'm proud of you!
\m/,
When DDR Extreme/Extreme 2 were the most popular, this was THE hardest song that they had. its still one of the hardest songs out there, but its been relegated to more of a gatekeeper; if you can't reasonably pass this, you have no change with the 17s, 18s, or even the 19s.
I passed like five 18s before this one though
This is where I plateaued. Charts with heavy crossovers/mandatory crosses are so much more incredibly difficult for me compared to a front facing chart like legend of maxx or
maxx unlimited/max 300 etc. Been actually ready to tackle charts with more crossovers
there are a decent few 17s easier than this imo. emera csp is a crossover-heavy 17 that i would place below this in terms of reading and passing difficulty
Triple cross and bi expert are both easier than this chart
my man this gives me more trouble than Max 360
for some reason I think 0:36 may very well be one of the most satisfying slowdowns to execute ever, idk why
The 0:30 one feels so good to me. 😂
Does it make you want to clap, then move out the way for the next player?
@@AwesomeHairo no, you play??
@@AwesomeHairo I see what you did there
for me, it's 0:18
1:09 - 1:22 is easily one of the best runs ever made in DDR, if you don't start off facing the right way and turning the right way at the interval changes then you risk screwing up the flow of the stream and have to double step your way out haha.
Yeah, DDR's chart design peaked here as far as boss songs go.
16/17? This shit was a secret/first 11 footer for DDR in Extreme. Deadly flow, masterminded chart, great song. PSMO / So Deep are expertly charted for fun / difficulty. Give those employees kudos.
*CHRIS HAS DONE IT!* He ended up getting the Lv. 16 White Lamp off of this chart!
Chris is now the definition of "unstoppable".
Paranoia Survivor expert and Paranoia Survivor Max Challenge are day and night, frfr
Well, like yeah, Paranoia survivor is just slower and Paranoia survivor max is just the same song, but with speed up and makes it more challenging, just like MAX 300 turns into MAX 360.
@@Pokaroquai Paranoia Survivor Expert has a progressing curve in terms of difficulty with the crossovers that appeared near the end of the song, in which I found the crossover drills more pain to do than the 9 step crossovers afterwards.
Paranoia Survivor Max Challenge just throw you the crossovers from the beginning and there's isn't any other songs that you can practice your crossovers at that speed at the time.
1:08 welcome to crossover hell I’ll be your tour guide
I collapsed to this the other day. Shit’s not friendly
I can now do this chart without feeling exhausted. PROGRESSION
It’s been 6 months, wow
Character development
@@BizerkPixel my goal HAHA
This is so much more fun than the 16/17 charts they make now. Even though the whole song is gimmicks and crossovers it flows well.
Really? Aside from the ending run I'd argue this chart breaks flow quite a few times in fairly annoying spots, still fun to nail. I'd argue it's about on par with most modern 16/17s as far as quality
I feel like most modern 17s are just hard at for the sake of being hard and aren't nearly as fun as this was.
@@itzbebop This was probably made exclusively to be the hardest chart in the game at the time
I remember how this song was impossible back in 2003 on extreme.
oh yeah I remember the first time I saw someone pass this back in the day. You got talked about if you could clear this chart. and of course we had JSB AA'ing this shit like two months after it came out and everyone just felt inept lol
I've rewatched this track for years and I will never not be confused by that fucking stream at 1:09
The first two steps are left foot on down, right foot on left (if you play the jumps going into the stream moving only one foot between each jump, you end with your left foot on down). As long as you start the stream with a crossover like this, the entire rest of the song flows perfectly!
@@rickwoods5274 Thanks for the advice!! I think it's something that I've got to go through and study a few times at slower speeds on YT, and then give it a few tries on the actual pad. The tricky thing for me is both the speed and how unforgiving the patterns are - it's pretty hard for me to recover there if I mess up the stream at any point. But that's what makes this a fun 16 :D
@@gonzo_o_o Yeah totally, if you lose your place in the stream, or get foot-tied, you're done for. One thing that can help get the pass is relentlessly forcing alternation -- the rhythm is extremely straightforward (it's just an unbroken stream, with gaps at very specific predictable measured spots), so if you internalize that rhythm, never stop stepping, and constantly alternate feet, you will *probably* never get foot-tied, and have an easier time recovering if you lose your place. Once you get that down, the twists will start coming more naturally, and you'll eventually FC the section.
It's hard, but you can do it!
@@rickwoods5274 I wanted to come back to this old thread to say that I passed this today! I started passing 17s recently, so I decided to give this a shot. This honestly felt like another 17 to me... hella streams with almost no breaks, and those final crossover runs really put the pressure on. But thanks again for the advice - happy to finally get this crossed off my list 😎
god you can even hear how late this is
Guess I wasn't the only one who felt that
Ace late is torture
that's why I call Chris the human metronome. cause how the fuck did he MFC this?
This song changed everything
i’ve been playing extreme 2 for about 13 years, and i have yet to pass this. other boss songs i’ve been able to do, but honestly, fuck this
Almost no breaks, full of 8th note crossovers, and just straight up screams technicality. This should be 17. If not, it's pretty much 16.99.
As someone who played DDR a lot but quit after Extreme, I was always baffled when I started getting back into it that this was only a 16 footer. ESPECIALLY since Maxx Unlimited (SIGNIFICANTLY easier) is also a 16 footer. What is the point of widening the difficult scale if you still end up rating songs of such different difficult on the same level?
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I personally believe this is a 17, it’s technical and tiring as shit. It pretty much goes on for the entirety of the song duration with barely any breathing room.
if this is a 16, it is the APEX of 16s.
I love how this references wild rush
Where? I've never noticed, Paranoias reference other songs all the time though.
@@elblogdelfeno around 0:25
To be fair a lot of these songs use the same samples.
Maxx Unlimited uses the same sample (downpitched) right before the freeze too
GENOM SCREAMS also has the same sample. I don't see it as a reference.
Those crossovers are just nuts
First try and the sloppiest attempt I did so far.
the penguin from happy feet better watch his shit after seeing this lmao
Endymion at one point
yeah back in the day, you got talked about if you could pass this chart. i always say this is the song/chart that pushed dance simulator games to the next level.
1:08
inb4 this becomes Chris's last 16 MFC
I just watched a few Level 17 charts, and I feel like this just misses the mark for a 17. Those other charts were both faster and longer, but it had the same theme of constantly bringing the heat. Although I feel like a lot of boss charts now-a-days just throw spaghetti at the wall and hope you figure it out.
this is one of the charts that not many people know about
This is still the most aggro 16.
Absolutely. This song instilled fear into me during the extreme days. I rather play 17s and 18s than this song. I've only passed it and am afraid to touch this song even though I have higher scores on most of my 17s. I'd rather play faxx than this song lmao. It's a mental block.
Update: 3 Attempts later since my previous message and I've 960k it. Increased the speed mod helped even if it was a bit fast for my comfort. Still going to avoid this song until I plan on AAAing it.
@@spacemonkeys6786 Yeah I have stupid muscle memory on this when I was bad at it. If it was released today, I'd probably find it to be easier.
I need to not touch it and forget about it until it feels like a sight read.
Fue la última canción que demoré en pasar en la DDR extreme.
ty for the upload!
I thought this was hard...
Then I got to 1:09 o_0
PlutoThe1st harder than Over the Period on Challenge ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
If you can get past that part, which isn't THAT long, you can get through the whole song.
That's why it was always called the Hell Run. The entire song was pretty simple (If you could pass the Maxs, then the start of this was no problem). That run is what killed it for people lol
I wish this was on Apple Music
Lol this is a hard fucking 16 here
4 real
Paranoia respect its a joke compared to the difficult of this chart and you tell me konami this have a difficult of 16 foot? re rate this NOW
Is it me, or is that long ass stream at the end way harder the the one at the end of Paranoia Hades CSP?
Varis Thunderheart it's not even close to hades lol
The patterns in this song are pretty random and extremely (lel see what I did there) hard to read, and in Paranoia Hades CSP, it's the same crossover patterns I've been seeing for years.
Psmo's crossovers are way more forgiving. For each set of crossovers, there's a small set of easy patterns on the tail end. With hades, it's nonstop crossovers at an incredibly fast speed, with no leeway between crossovers. On top of that, there are jumps in the middle of the crossovers
It's harder to read PSM, but even though Hades has easier crossovers it's slightly faster, longer, and has several jumps. I know exactly what you mean, btw.
If you start each run crossed over, the rest of it feels like unwinding naturally
this is a hard 16
Maybe the expert should be a 16 too IMO
@@Kain_R_Heinlein maybe? Definitely not the same difficulty as Paranoia survivor Expert, I feel the BPM change is enough to warrant it to be higher, at least, that said, PSMO is significantly harder than its expert chart.
@@Cardmaster12 it is harder than Maxx unlimited and some easy 16s so I think it should be
Yeah, it's a really draining chart.
Yeah, it's a really draining chart.
12 crossovers
I can't imagine how people dealt with this when Extreme came out. I've played pretty much every song in that game and NOTHING preps you for the ending. The MAX songs are faster versions of stuff you've already seen but I don't remember anything that played like the ending here. And also unlike the MAX songs you can't just push yourself harder and harder to win. That's part of it obviously but really you can either read it or you can't.
I don't think it's a 17 but MAXX UNLIMITED isn't even close.
So I’m a little lost on something. What does the O mean in PSMO?
Back in the days of DDR Extreme (almost two decades ago), Oni was the name for what is today known as Challenge Mode. So the Challenge version of Paranoia Survivor Max was called Paranoia Survivor Max Oni. This was arguably the hardest track in the series until DDR SuperNOVA came out and introduced tracks like Healing D-Vision and the Fascination series. Thus, this track was often shortened to PSMO due to its notoriety!
How is this just a 16 if it hasn't been MFCd yet?
Does nobody have trouble with this song anymore or something?
Funny you mention this, because Chris is currently blazing through the entire 16 folder for the white lamp. We are gonna see this song's first MFC soon I imagine...
@@BoldNBrash Finally a decent update it's late 2021 already
@@BoldNBrash update: he did it
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This song isn't hard if you had an actual keyboard or controller. But because it is your feet this is almost impossible
Index players have fun with this chart
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