12 years of sobriety and shadow work first and then finding non duality and the fetters. So much of this has been realized and so much has been let go of Love this series and all of your pointings No interpretation or attachment or resistance.... Well on the way. ❤
This was such a good series. So methodical and busting so many myths about awakening. I like Kevin's concise, no-nonsense, explanation and Angelo, your contributions are always so valuable when you speak...Thank you, thank you...both...
I love how Angelo still has that laugh reflex when Kevin says "When the 8th fetter falls, suddenly there's no I or me." The joke probably never gets old...
My takeaway from the series is that there’s lots of work for me to do. Happiness won’t happen without serious effort on my part. Like the effort of a child playing a game seriously.
Excellent pointings and explanations. Thank you Kevin for adding the Self Guidance through the Fetters to your website. These interviews have been invaluable here, especially in explaining the gap. Angelo, you have a knack of asking the perfect clarifying questions. 💞🙏🎉
Golly Kevin and Angelo this is exactly where im at! What kevin says here about resisting the urge to "do something" The belief that im a failure if i cant help I have so many impulses to fix save control and it is becoming right out front and center Specifically in the current experience i am coming into contact with the fear of faulure and i have a chick(baby chicken) that is challenging me to leave it alone. It has a birth defect and is under the mother hen. It probably wont survive and im challenged to let nature take its course. This is directly challenging my deepest fear of failure and identity. Who/what will i be if i cant help? Will the sky fall if i dont do something? So grateful that you two are here and that this is available to help me navigate this!!!
Definitely experienced grief, but another strange aspect was not finding the one to struggle with grief. And, paradoxically feeling great at the same time.
This is why I think enlightenment is about feelings. We don't get enlightenment from the mind but we do get it from the body. We begin to walk a little lighter. Ease 🙏❤️
Hi, I just broke the last fetter. For me, I wanted life to be reliable and have 100% security guaranteed all the time. 😂 No wonder I am passionate about cybersecurity. I find it humorous that Kevin is an engineer who wanted everything to be predictable and reliable. That would be an engineer’s dream! Thank you for the series. I got through it and the fetters quickly, but I had about 25 years of therapy as a prerequisite, so that sped things up immensely. But I am so relaxed now, and my cravings for caffeine have gone down immensely during this process. Thank you both again.
Loved the series. Kevin has a real tenderness to his words and body language. I think these last two fetters are important points to discuss on the path. A lot of people think once anatta is realized that these last two fetters just naturally drop away - which is the usual sales pitch - that hasn’t been my experience and it seems useful to normalize why this is the case for people doing this work. Thanks Angelo and Kevin, Good luck out there everyone!
And... My back has given out... I literally have the physical manifestation of a pain in my ass if i dont stop if i dont take it easy if i dont slow down ... And yes trauma in the body. Being here for me and with me so to speak not abandoning my body to help "you" or to not fail to fix manage or control It is bittersweet because im so grateful to have gotten to this point but also as you say its a lot to let go of and tears... What was it? Whatever it is or was its going awayy.....
Thank you both and bless you both so much. This series was really helpful. I think I'd say the 9th and 10th fetters have been more like shackles for me, and take a lot of work. Also, wanted to note if anyone is interested in linking this to western thinkers, the 10th fetter to me sounds a lot like the 'object small a' of Jacques Lacan, the French psychoanalyst. Prayers for everyone's liberation.
amazing, thank you for all the videos from this series and for the channel in general! I find it very helpful and precise. Its funny that what was interesting to me from the start of spiritual journey was the impermanence and then when it was realized it dropped this belief from life, and then later i came across the katie byron's the work, which seems to me has the same mechanics being and then questioning beliefs. Again thank you for the series :)
Love the series so much 🙏❤️ I’m committed to follow each one of them and work on it. Still working on fetter 4&5 😢 but so glad to see more and more subtle reactivities come to surface
I tho k that’s so important tho as so many overlook it and it’s the most directly related to love/compassion perhaps aside from the realization of no-self.
I definetely prefer Angelo s playlists and pointings to Truth,sometimes presented in a humouros manner. I guess this series is extremely accurate and valuable,yet it has a flavour of seriousness,severe suffering almost like its a curse for "one😂" to wake up,not a blessing. I might be wrong ,yet the eastern traditions tendency of emphasising that "life is suffering" and repeteadely dissmising the body&mind experiences sounds unnecesarily dramatic especially in our days. Might be wrong of course,just a humble opinion.
Jesus says: (1) “The one who seeks should not cease seeking until he finds. (2) And when he finds, he will be dismayed. (3) And when he is dismayed, he will be astonished. (4) And he will be king over the All.” Jesus says: (1) “If those who lead you say to you: ‘Look, the kingdom is in the sky!’ then the birds of the sky will precede you. (2) If they say to you: ‘It is in the sea,’ then the fishes will precede you. (3) Rather, the kingdom is inside of you and outside of you.” (4) “When you come to know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will realize that you are the children of the living Father. (5) But if you do not come to know yourselves, then you exist in poverty, and you are poverty.”
I really appreciate this series on the fetters. It makes them much clearer and more intuitive than the Theravada/Suttavada approach did. In the absence of the "I am/I exist" conceit after the 8th fetter falls, does the sense of making choices or of a "doer" still persist? It seems that it doesn't and that everything just seems to be happening. Maybe it's difficult to talk about these subtle shifts precisely with the conventional language available. Thanks again 🧡
"You become more effective at noticing circumstances that can change and work towards that change". This statement epitomizes my confusion with being told that life is just happening and there is not only no self but only emptiness. What or whom is noticing and creating change? My understanding has been there is no free will. Isn't noticing and working towards a desired change needing a doer? Feel I take 2 steps forward then hearing this 3 steps back. Is this just another case of how words can not explain this. Thanks.❤
well that's the strange and obvious thing isn't it? when there is realization that there is no doer this won't be a proble, but when there is a sense of being a doer, that teaching will make no sense. So I say do not adopt a belief about non-doership, it's simply not helpful and just binds up the mind or ads to doubt and hesitation :)
@@SimplyAlwaysAwake yes, thank you Angelo. Can see how I fall into doubt and hesitation, as you say and get tripped up. In appreciation for the reminder bells. Laughing at the memory of once being proud of having a strong philosophical mind. 💞
Angelo, does the unfettering process happen in a linear fashion? I swear I’ve been experiencing this but in terms of fetters 4 and 5 I still feel like there is reactivity albeit it will quickly rise and fall.
i think the 8th just fell yesterday and now everything feels effortless ( i didnt know but had been stuck at the 8th for about 6 moinths not knwing it )
The 9th and 10th fetters sound a lot equanimity. Once we see that the self is impermanent and the world is as changing as water is, anything that arises are just movements, emotions are just movements, self is just a movement, life and death are just movements. There is no more doing because how can anyone change this moment . So what’s the difference between equanimity and these fetters?
@@birgit8996 yes thoughts. I was interested in subtle differences between the two. Equanimity being w thought/self and fetter 9 and 10 without thought/self. Why does the self/thought believe it’s an entity, when it’s clearly seen itself as a thought?
You are lucky you can still somehow explain something to make a sense of that apparent something. What do you when this living ungraspable weirdness becomes so normal that you can’t even talk about it anymore 😂
Feeling triggered rn 😬😂, jesus christ whyd this process unfold in this time of my life! Well whatever theres no going back anyways This doesnt care about the inidividuals limitations or life situation, itll just burn through it all, holy moly.
This helped me so much, I’m all reactivity now. These fetters crystallized all the work I have left. Much thanks to both of you. Healing humanity one human at a time.
Well at that point you are not pure consciousness you are simply not. With the self structure or illusion of identity out of the way and resistance pattern with associated beliefs will have literally nowhere to hide. It's quite intense but the nowhere to hide aspect is the perfect medicine actually.
@@SimplyAlwaysAwake I see, yes, I meant you are not (pure Consciousness is the term for "it" in Advaita Vedanta, but feels the same). Just, for me, already the knowledge that I am not is a full acceptance of what ever arises, so I did not really get that. I must say that I looked all the series, and somehow for me it feels the other way round, that is, once there is an understanding, the whole concepts and beliefs fall one by one and the "work" (for example 4/5) just happens sort of automatically. Here the approach seems the other way round, I work with changing my experiences to get the full understanding. Right? The other question I have is: the "I" sense does not really disappear, just the ignorance about it. Because, we must function.
@@nbenda well part of this is that it is quite deep stage realization we’re talking about with 8th fetter. I know very few people who ok confidant have actually realized it. And to be clear the I sense actually does disappear. Nisargadatta described it like this “if you regress properly the I Am sense will disappear.” Turns out you actually function just fine without it. But you have no filters anymore :)
@@SimplyAlwaysAwake Do you mean just like in a flow state where there is no "I" sense, but we function fine? only all the time? ok, I will inquire into that. Now I abide as the Witness, I am very in peace, bliss, happy, but there is a sort of "I" sense.
A point of curiosity on the topic of the end of suffering, isn't pain a form of suffering? I saw a video of David Hawkins recently talking about how he went through major surgery with no anasthetic several times without feeling pain, because he could surrender deeply - so let go of resistance fully each moment. So I understood the end of suffering to be the end of all suffering no exception. Thoughts welcome :)
I know this is about the last fetters but there was a point when Kevin was talking when the 1st fetter fell for me. No big deal but there are no big deals for me anymore.
Re the concept of me identity.."it is no longer there... it was never there... and couldn't have been there" What do the last 2 statements mean? Because the me/identity WAS there?!?!?
This should be called, The sanity guide to loosing your mind. lol Loved this series, thanks to you both.
12 years of sobriety and shadow work first and then finding non duality and the fetters.
So much of this has been realized and so much has been let go of
Love this series and all of your pointings
No interpretation or attachment or resistance....
Well on the way.
❤
The birth right of all human beings 🥳🙏
This was such a good series. So methodical and busting so many myths about awakening. I like Kevin's concise, no-nonsense, explanation and Angelo, your contributions are always so valuable when you speak...Thank you, thank you...both...
I love how Angelo still has that laugh reflex when Kevin says "When the 8th fetter falls, suddenly there's no I or me." The joke probably never gets old...
It never does.... 😂😂😂😂
It’s so not funny anymore, but it is 😂
My heros ❤🙏
14:00 - 14:40 This really sums it up. Pure gold.
My takeaway from the series is that there’s lots of work for me to do. Happiness won’t happen without serious effort on my part. Like the effort of a child playing a game seriously.
Seems strange that anyone would ever think that life is predictable.. how could it be? It never has been..
so good to find out what is happening to us. or happened-
Excellent pointings and explanations. Thank you Kevin for adding the Self Guidance through the Fetters to your website. These interviews have been invaluable here, especially in explaining the gap. Angelo, you have a knack of asking the perfect clarifying questions. 💞🙏🎉
Golly Kevin and Angelo this is exactly where im at!
What kevin says here about resisting the urge to "do something"
The belief that im a failure if i cant help
I have so many impulses to fix save control and it is becoming right out front and center
Specifically in the current experience i am coming into contact with the fear of faulure and i have a chick(baby chicken) that is challenging me to leave it alone. It has a birth defect and is under the mother hen. It probably wont survive and im challenged to let nature take its course. This is directly challenging my deepest fear of failure and identity. Who/what will i be if i cant help?
Will the sky fall if i dont do something?
So grateful that you two are here and that this is available to help me navigate this!!!
Fruition!
Definitely experienced grief, but another strange aspect was not finding the one to struggle with grief. And, paradoxically feeling great at the same time.
I know what you mean, quite paradoxical
Thanks for taking the time to point to this
This may have been the most helpful of all the fetters series. I don’t know why that seems to be so. Thank you both . 🙏🏻
Felt that too, including wondering about why this one seemed more so.
This is why I think enlightenment is about feelings. We don't get enlightenment from the mind but we do get it from the body. We begin to walk a little lighter. Ease 🙏❤️
Hi, I just broke the last fetter. For me, I wanted life to be reliable and have 100% security guaranteed all the time. 😂 No wonder I am passionate about cybersecurity. I find it humorous that Kevin is an engineer who wanted everything to be predictable and reliable. That would be an engineer’s dream!
Thank you for the series. I got through it and the fetters quickly, but I had about 25 years of therapy as a prerequisite, so that sped things up immensely. But I am so relaxed now, and my cravings for caffeine have gone down immensely during this process.
Thank you both again.
Wonderful thank you both!!
Thank you both so much....
Loved the series. Kevin has a real tenderness to his words and body language.
I think these last two fetters are important points to discuss on the path. A lot of people think once anatta is realized that these last two fetters just naturally drop away - which is the usual sales pitch - that hasn’t been my experience and it seems useful to normalize why this is the case for people doing this work.
Thanks Angelo and Kevin,
Good luck out there everyone!
We have ceased fighting anything or anyone. ❤
Thank you for sharing this!
And... My back has given out... I literally have the physical manifestation of a pain in my ass if i dont stop if i dont take it easy if i dont slow down ... And yes trauma in the body. Being here for me and with me so to speak not abandoning my body to help "you" or to not fail to fix manage or control
It is bittersweet because im so grateful to have gotten to this point but also as you say its a lot to let go of and tears... What was it? Whatever it is or was its going awayy.....
Thank you Kevin & Angelo
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I really appreciate this series. Thank you. ❤
What an awesome series, thanks so much, this kind of guidance is priceless
Finally ready to make use of this! Thank you both. 🎉😊
Thank you, this has been very helpful. So appreciative of you both. 🙏🏽❤️
This is it, thanks Angelo and Kevin
🍀❤️🕉️🙏😄✌️
Thank you both and bless you both so much. This series was really helpful. I think I'd say the 9th and 10th fetters have been more like shackles for me, and take a lot of work. Also, wanted to note if anyone is interested in linking this to western thinkers, the 10th fetter to me sounds a lot like the 'object small a' of Jacques Lacan, the French psychoanalyst. Prayers for everyone's liberation.
This series i so helpful❤ Thank you so much
amazing, thank you for all the videos from this series and for the channel in general! I find it very helpful and precise.
Its funny that what was interesting to me from the start of spiritual journey was the impermanence and then when it was realized it dropped this belief from life, and then later i came across the katie byron's the work, which seems to me has the same mechanics being and then questioning beliefs. Again thank you for the series :)
Thank you SO much, Kevin and Angelo! This series was so incredible insightful!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Lovely conversation. Really helpful. Thank you both 💗
interview Shinzen Young
Thank you 🫒
You’re welcome 😊
25:00 We relax and take it easy we don't struggle
Love the series so much 🙏❤️ I’m committed to follow each one of them and work on it. Still working on fetter 4&5 😢 but so glad to see more and more subtle reactivities come to surface
I tho k that’s so important tho as so many overlook it and it’s the most directly related to love/compassion perhaps aside from the realization of no-self.
"every last scrap of identity disappears". I'm going through a bit of this and not sure what's ahead.
Gratitude.
I was here four months ago and what a gd four months it has been. Hell!
I kept saying what the fuck do you want from me god.
The answer...
Everything.
Thanks!
Thank you!!!!!!!!!!
I definetely prefer Angelo s playlists and pointings to Truth,sometimes presented in a humouros manner.
I guess this series is extremely accurate and valuable,yet it has a flavour of seriousness,severe suffering almost like its a curse for "one😂" to wake up,not a blessing.
I might be wrong ,yet the eastern traditions tendency of emphasising that "life is suffering" and repeteadely dissmising the body&mind experiences sounds unnecesarily dramatic especially in our days.
Might be wrong of course,just a humble opinion.
Jesus says:
(1) “The one who seeks should not cease seeking until he finds.
(2) And when he finds, he will be dismayed.
(3) And when he is dismayed, he will be astonished.
(4) And he will be king over the All.”
Jesus says:
(1) “If those who lead you say to you: ‘Look, the kingdom is in the sky!’ then the birds of the sky will precede you.
(2) If they say to you: ‘It is in the sea,’ then the fishes will precede you.
(3) Rather, the kingdom is inside of you and outside of you.”
(4) “When you come to know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will realize that you are the children of the living Father.
(5) But if you do not come to know yourselves, then you exist in poverty, and you are poverty.”
I really appreciate this series on the fetters. It makes them much clearer and more intuitive than the Theravada/Suttavada approach did. In the absence of the "I am/I exist" conceit after the 8th fetter falls, does the sense of making choices or of a "doer" still persist? It seems that it doesn't and that everything just seems to be happening. Maybe it's difficult to talk about these subtle shifts precisely with the conventional language available. Thanks again 🧡
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27:53 !!!❤❤❤
"You become more effective at noticing circumstances that can change and work towards that change". This statement epitomizes my confusion with being told that life is just happening and there is not only no self but only emptiness. What or whom is noticing and creating change? My understanding has been there is no free will. Isn't noticing and working towards a desired change needing a doer? Feel I take 2 steps forward then hearing this 3 steps back. Is this just another case of how words can not explain this. Thanks.❤
well that's the strange and obvious thing isn't it? when there is realization that there is no doer this won't be a proble, but when there is a sense of being a doer, that teaching will make no sense. So I say do not adopt a belief about non-doership, it's simply not helpful and just binds up the mind or ads to doubt and hesitation :)
@@SimplyAlwaysAwake yes, thank you Angelo. Can see how I fall into doubt and hesitation, as you say and get tripped up. In appreciation for the reminder bells. Laughing at the memory of once being proud of having a strong philosophical mind. 💞
Angelo, does the unfettering process happen in a linear fashion? I swear I’ve been experiencing this but in terms of fetters 4 and 5 I still feel like there is reactivity albeit it will quickly rise and fall.
i think the 8th just fell yesterday and now everything feels effortless ( i didnt know but had been stuck at the 8th for about 6 moinths not knwing it )
Awesome
i’ve never liked olives and still don’t ;)
super video. l thank you !
The 9th and 10th fetters sound a lot equanimity. Once we see that the self is impermanent and the world is as changing as water is, anything that arises are just movements, emotions are just movements, self is just a movement, life and death are just movements. There is no more doing because how can anyone change this moment . So what’s the difference between equanimity and these fetters?
But.....who is seeing this?
@@birgit8996 thoughts
@@Kim-sherie
and what's the difference between equanimity and these fetters?
@@birgit8996 yes thoughts. I was interested in subtle differences between the two. Equanimity being w thought/self and fetter 9 and 10 without thought/self.
Why does the self/thought believe it’s an entity, when it’s clearly seen itself as a thought?
If there is no thought of equanimity, then what is equanimity?
Can a thought see itself....or isn't that also a thought "I see a thought"?
You are lucky you can still somehow explain something to make a sense of that apparent something. What do you when this living ungraspable weirdness becomes so normal that you can’t even talk about it anymore 😂
It takes care of itself, just live. Then maybe words will come about that which is beyond words, and maybe they won’t :)))
@@SimplyAlwaysAwake
It loves to laugh at itself for sure since it can’t explain itself no more 😆
Sorry I disappeared I'm back lol 11:35
Can it be permanent predictable controllable?
Can it be satisfying can we always feel good?
Can we know what's happening?
Yum
Are you certain that there isn't an 11th fetter ?
😂😂
22:08
Feeling triggered rn 😬😂, jesus christ whyd this process unfold in this time of my life! Well whatever theres no going back anyways
This doesnt care about the inidividuals limitations or life situation, itll just burn through it all, holy moly.
Yeah... the "well whatever" naturally comes up right as more grieving settles in. And then it feels warm. ❤
🤎🤎🤎 6:58
counting numbers is made up by the mind
Sounds quite depressing to me 😥
It’s not depressing.
Definitely long car journeys should be shorter!!
What's a fetter? I need to start this series from the top.
Yeah I recommend starting with the first vid on the playlist
This helped me so much, I’m all reactivity now. These fetters crystallized all the work I have left. Much thanks to both of you. Healing humanity one human at a time.
But I thought... I would find out the metaphysics of the universe 😅
Well you do but only directly… 😂😂
@@SimplyAlwaysAwake 🥴
I don't get it: how can you be not happy with what is, if there is no "i" sense and you are just pure Consciousness?
Well at that point you are not pure consciousness you are simply not. With the self structure or illusion of identity out of the way and resistance pattern with associated beliefs will have literally nowhere to hide. It's quite intense but the nowhere to hide aspect is the perfect medicine actually.
@@SimplyAlwaysAwake I see, yes, I meant you are not (pure Consciousness is the term for "it" in Advaita Vedanta, but feels the same).
Just, for me, already the knowledge that I am not is a full acceptance of what ever arises, so I did not really get that.
I must say that I looked all the series, and somehow for me it feels the other way round, that is, once there is an understanding, the whole concepts and beliefs fall one by one and the "work" (for example 4/5) just happens sort of automatically.
Here the approach seems the other way round, I work with changing my experiences to get the full understanding. Right?
The other question I have is: the "I" sense does not really disappear, just the ignorance about it. Because, we must function.
@@nbenda well part of this is that it is quite deep stage realization we’re talking about with 8th fetter. I know very few people who ok confidant have actually realized it. And to be clear the I sense actually does disappear. Nisargadatta described it like this “if you regress properly the I Am sense will disappear.” Turns out you actually function just fine without it. But you have no filters anymore :)
@@SimplyAlwaysAwake Do you mean just like in a flow state where there is no "I" sense, but we function fine? only all the time?
ok, I will inquire into that. Now I abide as the Witness, I am very in peace, bliss, happy, but there is a sort of "I" sense.
A point of curiosity on the topic of the end of suffering, isn't pain a form of suffering? I saw a video of David Hawkins recently talking about how he went through major surgery with no anasthetic several times without feeling pain, because he could surrender deeply - so let go of resistance fully each moment. So I understood the end of suffering to be the end of all suffering no exception. Thoughts welcome :)
I know this is about the last fetters but there was a point when Kevin was talking when the 1st fetter fell for me. No big deal but there are no big deals for me anymore.
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Re the concept of me identity.."it is no longer there... it was never there... and couldn't have been there" What do the last 2 statements mean? Because the me/identity WAS there?!?!?
oh really? What was the nature of that identity that was there and now isn't?
@@SimplyAlwaysAwaketo clarify, it still is here, I have not released the first fetter. It's just wierd to say something doest exist, when it does?
@@calculusmetalis Santa Clause real?