It’s also worth noting, how vague TFC’s line “Ryan told me everything” is. It could not only mean about how Thomas worked hard to prevent Sailor John from stealing the treasure, but also explaining how he tried to prevent an accident he caused with the dynamite.
If only people in the fandom aren't so annoyingly stubborn to figure that through their head or get a reality check because I'm so sick of people kicking on something that's obviously a dead horse at this point. "tHoMaS gEtTiNg pUnIsHeD tHrEe tImEs iN tHe SaMe mOvIe iZ nAt fAiR!!11!!1 aLl tHrEe oF tHoZe tHiNgZ aRe bEyAnD TaMiZ'es KaNTrOl!!1!" It's like these people are so blind and oblivious, it looks to me that they either assumed otherwise without watching the movie or even reconsidered their thoughts. I was wrong to believe the third incident wasn't entirely Thomas' fault because I should have remembered about that line where Thomas apologizes to Ryan about the dynamite incident. That's like saying Topham bricking Henry up in the tunnel is unjustified, even though the reason for it was because Henry was being selfish about his appearance, not because he did nothing to deserve getting walled up. I find it really ironic or even hypocritical (or a complete double standard) how people in the fandom refuse to believe in any of those dipshit journalists that make up those false claims on "The Sad Story of Henry" for clickbait sake, yet they act like them whenever The Fat Controller told Thomas off on all three incidents that Thomas not only did to himself because of his arrogance and lack of honesty, but because he put the first incident onto Gordon as well. This needs to stop for all I care. Railway Sparrow made his point clear already and no one else has ever heard of a reality check.
@@BriceInkling138And by the way, quoted by The Unlucky Tug, some people talked about how Thomas was out of character when seeing Ryan for a fraction of the movie, but forgot how this dude was in the books, he was a mischievous tank engine that was different from the one we’re looking at here. Sure he’s made growth but can’t we have some of the OG Book’s Thomas for once?
The fact you brought up "Who's Geoffrey?" as a prequel episode to the 2015 movie from your video to begin with makes a lot of sense in one way or another and I am still glad you made the video and I appreciate the research and effort you put into the video from 2022.
One thing I love that the fandom did was the Trainz site Sodor Workshops, which has a downloadable freeware model of a what-if Geoffrey, which is based on Thomas's description of Geoffrey. Honestly, if the fandom can do that, I can't believe all of those who complain or nitpick about Sir Topham and Thomas's attitude haven't just fixed their satisfactions by creating their own version of a prequel of SLOTLT
Me personally, I want a lost treasure prequel to be the episode Goodbye, Fat Controller, The 2nd last episode of season 19. See, in my version of the *entire* CGI series (Yes, I want to rewrite the whole CGI Thomas era), The episode Goodbye, Fat Controller would instead be Topham not planning to leave Sodor, but rather retire, which this time actually turns out to be true, with him making plans. And sorry to say, Thomas' attitude in this movie would be more suited to The Adventure Begins, where he is just as cheeky as in his debut. The real #1 Thomas movie. That way, Thomas' attitude won't have to be exaggerated like it was here, Making Topham come of as more cruel, Ala Dr. Eggman in tails' story (Sonic Adventure) And the movie itself can play out with its own 3 strikes, but after it's found out that STH refused to accept that Thomas saved everyone, things come to a boiling point because he not only let Gordon get away with teasing Thomas, but credited Rocky for discovering the pirate ship where there's no logical way a crane like him could have. For all these actions, Topham is given the boot before he can complete his retirement plans. And Gordon? In my Henry gets the Express rewrite, Gordon gets the Express taken away as punishment for his behaviour.
I think Thomas and The Fat Controller act naturally. Sir Topham Hatt acts like an actual authority figure. And Thomas is mostly cheeky so this fits their classic personalities.
@@whitewolf8051 also the damage done to Thomas and the express coaches would cost a fair bit of the Fat controller's money to repair and of course the ruined rails and sleepers would need to be replaced too so that didn't help matters either. so I can see way the controller of the NWR would be in a bad mood about it all. because of the trouble he caused I think Thomas's number one being covered up by dirt is a fitting punishment
I never really had an issue with the characters of Thomas and Sir Topham Hatt. I merely thought the writers did that on purpose as an Easter egg to what they were like back in Season 1. Even Ryan's character was acceptable. Of course, I never noticed until now how Who's Geoffrey? ties into the plot of SLOTLT! Brilliant explanation!
A relief to see someone actually acknowledge that the dynamite incident *was* ultimately Thomas’ fault. What I think makes Thomas’ character arc from S19 into LOTLT even better is how we got TAB right before S19, to give us the full bookend to bookend story arc. I love Thomas and Topham’s characterizations in this movie. Finally I can take Topham seriously for one thing. Thomas is maybe a little more childish than I’d like him to be but that also comes down to his voice, especially in the US. For the most part, the dialogue itself captures him really well. His flaws are on full display and I’m here for it. The one thing I will say though is I honestly don’t think Ryan was meant to be a “villain,” or even a legitimate antagonist. Overconfident and dismissive is literally exactly how Thomas acts in this movie, and he’s not a villain. He surely would have been less of a nice character, but I don’t think there’s anything to suggest he’d be any more antagonistic than like, Diesel in Misty Island Rescue or something kinda like that. Being overconfident in a way that causes problems, but not being malicious in any way. But even then, I’m glad they didn’t go with that. The fact that Thomas is unjustified in his dislike of Ryan works in the movies favor in my opinion and I’m glad they went with what they did for him.
@@railwaysparrow I can understand way Thomas was worried about being replaced by Ryan on his branch line. this fear is possibly because Ryan is more modern and perhaps a bit stronger than he is
@@matthewsoares9880 But the dynamite only was lit to begin with because Thomas let Ryan take the bad coal purely out of spite. He obviously didn’t anticipate Ryan’s sparks to light an explosive, but he knew the coal would be painful for Ryan, since he’d experienced it himself. He could and should have warned Ryan, but chose not to out of pure pettiness. It’s more indirect than his first two accidents but his actions still led to disaster.
So since "Who's Geoffrey?" ia a prequel to "Sodor's Legend of the Lost Treasure", then Sir Topham hatt should have reminded Thomas about that time he blamed Geoffrey.
Good to see a good explanation of this subject. I was always someone who really liked their characters in SLOTLT, and this video confirmed my opinion. Surprised to have found some other cool things as well as you mentioned, like Thomas constantly looking away. Again, a very well in-depth analysis of my favourite Thomas movie, good job!
The movie was great and this really explains way Thomas and Sir Topham Hatt acted like that. Great explanation! Also like how you brought up “Who’s Jeffery?”
I’m glad someone has put a deeper nose dive into this. The fact that so many people despise this film purely because of the Fat Controller’s treatment towards Thomas is honestly petty and I feel like they don’t know the personalities. *not saying they don’t, but that’s just how I feel* The thing about SLOTLT is that Thomas and the Fat Controller are actually in character here. For so long, the Fat Controller was portrayed as the stereotypical funny fat man. To see him act authoritarian again felt so real and true to his character. After all, it’s this personality that was introduced to us all the way back in 1945 when he shut up Henry in the tunnel then let him back out again, or when he moved Thomas to Edward’s station to learn how to deal with trucks. And the fact that most of the fandom rejected this portrayal in the film is kinda as saddening as how Percy went through a character arc of being brave in TOTB only to regress back into his cowardly nature in the next season. But back to the point, that’s an interesting idea. Who’s Geoffrey and SLOTLT definitely share similarities as you pointed out. In fact, back in 2015 when I first watched it after SLOTLT, I was a little confused to why Thomas decided to tell a lie after his growth in the film, until it was revealed that SLOTLT takes place after Season 19 and the Great Race. After that statement, it all made sense, especially as Season 20 backed this up with the Ryan & Daisy episodes and the Arlesdale Trilogy.
@@dannypalin9583 I know one popular one which was called 'Thomas Leaves Sodor', and being honest, it's not a good fanfic. But yeah, that's really telling how fans reacted to the dynamite incident, and being honest, it's rather childish. The Fat Controller may not have had the whole details, but it was entirely Thomas' fault for not warning Ryan about the bad coal. He had put Ryan and so many others at risk from that. However, credit where credit is due. Thomas was brave with stopping the dynamite and if the construction vehicles had told the Fat Controller exactly what happened, perhaps he could have been less harsh. But it still wouldn't change the fact that Thomas was indeed at fault for what happened, and people can blame everything on the Fat Controller, Gordon or anybody else for it, it all points back to Thomas.
If you were a manager, and you lost money because you lost valuable supplies because an employee was being stupid, you'd react in the same way. But, yes. These people are upset because mean old Fatty is actually being a figure of discipline instead of a dopey goon.
I've stood by this take on the movie since 2015. "Never Overlook a Little Engine", while a cool song, doesn't belong in SLOTLT. I never saw any circumstance where Thomas was put down because of being little. Everything that goes wrong in the movie is on Thomas. He nearly caused a head-on collision with Toby while racing Bertie. He gloated that he could get away with anything because he was the number one engine. People were late for work or important matters, such as hospital visits, because Thomas not only slept in, but decided to fool around with Gordon's coaches. And then, when a pile-up was caused, and trains were delayed until it could be cleared and the tracks declared safe, what does Thomas do? Say it was Gordon's fault. Then Emily's. Then Toby's. Thomas proceeds to complain to the small engines that Gordon caused his banishment to the Construction Yard. It's never his fault. He loses valuable building supplies by rushing in and not listening to warnings. He deliberately neglects to tell Ryan about bad coal when Ryan's handling explosives. He may have saved everyone, but it doesn't change the fact that he put everyone in danger. And yet people insist that the Fat Controller is being aggressive and nasty. If you lost valuable supplies and money because an employee's acting the fool, you'd act just the same. This movie was about Thomas learning to get over himself and get his act together.
And it’s not just Stanley in the great discovery too. In every era this occurs. There’s Arthur whom he literally causes an accident. There is also partially the railway series with Stepney taking an important train I believe.
Funny how some Geoffrey character that doesn't even exsist fixes the whole movie, while hit era characters who get tons of merchandise and marketing have no impact to any of the story at all! (I'm exaggerating of course, really great video!)
I swear this was floating around on the Wiki for ages so I was expecting whos Geoffrey in the end 🤣 great video man :), I think Thomas and fat man are in their classic era prime-personalities in this film it’s wonderful
I didn't really like the fact Topham is way too hard on Thomas when I watched lost treasure for the first, but after watching this it's definitely changed my opinion. Thomas really messed up and Topham had every right to be cross with him, especially when Thomas lies.
@@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967 I like Thomas, but only classic Thomas. I choose to remember the cheeky, smiling but able to make other faces tank engine I grew up with. Models> what TTTE became.
Lost Treasure is the best Thomas movie. It gets better when you consider the context of Who’s Geoffrey and how it plays into the two main characters and their roles in the movie.
Well i think its fine the way thomas acts because hes always been a cheeky doshbag in the rws. The same could be said for topham as he knows any accident or mishap gives the railway a bad reputation
For half of the movie Thomas Has his Number 1 scraped off as he feels he isn't the number 1 engine anymore but at the end of the chase scene it comes back probably because he Is Truly Number 1 again
I was thinking Sir Topham Hatt didn't know about the bad coal, and in his car, only saw Thomas pushing the dynamite cars, and nothing else, and from his point of view, it looked like Thomas was fighting with Ryan in a dangerous way, and that may have been why he got so angry. And about the incident where he fell into the hole, I thought he really was telling what he thought was the truth to Sir Topham Hatt. The narrator said that Thomas did hear the men shouting, but he misinterpreted it as them being happy to see him and not as them trying to stop him, so technically, Thomas wasn't really LYING, he was telling Sir Topham Hatt his perspective of things, even if it wasn't how events really played out.
It’s funny how Thomas has tired to lie and/or stretch the truth, constantly in the past. If he said, “I didn’t hear them.” or “I couldn’t tell what they were saying.” He might’ve been able to get leniency, as this is a genuine excuse, and Thomas actually did mishear them.
Very nice theory! Honestly, my guess for why Thomas and Fatty acted the way they do in SLOLT, is because the writers decided to be a bit more Railway Series accurate. In the RWS (and the seasons that adapted it), Thomas could be kind of a prick at times, and Fatty was usually much more stern and less lenient. Also, nothing against Ryan, he’s a good character and I definitely like him, but his role in SLOLT could’ve easily been filled by Stanley.
Ryan and Stanley both have the same problem. They both feel like plot devices instead of characters. Just somebody to make Thomas jealous. At least Ryan got his personality fleshed out in a future episode while Stanley remained a complete blank slate
@@ryhi5 yeah they do feel like plot devices, but good ones nonetheless. I recently went back and watched Great Discovery for probably the first time in a decade (I’ll be 28 this year, I was 14 when it was new) and it was honestly better than I remember. Thomas and Stanley eventually coming to one another’s aid at the end was definitely a heartwarming moment.
God, 2015 feels like a lifetime ago. The 70th anniversary was phenomenal!!!! I was 13 and in middle school then, now eight years later in 2023 I’m finishing my 3rd year of college and gonna turn 22 later this year. Time is insane!!!
The fact that people say this movie is the worst singularly because of TFC just baffles me and makes me think they must be 8 year olds. They say that he was unjustified when the accidents, which were all caused by Thomas being a selfish little child. Even saying Thomas is out of character in the movie still boils my blood and makes me think that they hate these two because they grew up with either the HiT era or the Miller era and didn't see the Golden era or the RWS. They are perfectly in character; Thomas is the cheeky little prick who occasionally gets in trouble, and TFC is once again a respectable authority figure. And to all you haters who dislike the movie just because of those two reasons, GROW UP
@@worthybutter2004 he indeed did, and became more of a nice guy in the modern years, and in the HiT era he was a literal dumb child, so seeing his RWS character on display in SLOTLT was a nice breath of fresh air.
Here's how I see the Knapford incident. Thomas was indeed his fault, but at the same time, Gordon was the instigator, going on about that "Tender Engines Don't Shunt" bullshit. That being said, Thomas should've ignored Gordon and been like "Keep telling yourself that you big blue baffoon!" or "Silly Litttle Engine? That's the best insult you got?".
In 2015, 2016, and 2017, Thomas acted more of a mischievous comedian with his annoying laugh "hmm-hmm-hmm-hmmm" than his usual friendly, helpful, sensible self, while Sir Topham Hatt experienced more idiotic stuff - Emily has too many roles, Toby only got a few, and Henry acted like a coward
I completaly understand why TFC was mad at Thomas, and all of his scenes where he is angry at Thomas are justified. But for some reason, those scenes still make me uncomfortable to this day. Hopefully this sense of unese was on purpose.
Thomas in this or certain movies literally makes Edward in bad episodes (like “Edward Strikes Out”) kinda look like a saint but at least Thomas has a REASON why he does things and is less worse but Edward is or can be a borderline narcissist
Excellent analysis, I think Lost Treasure might have been Thomas's best characterization. As well as one of if not the best character Arc of the entire series. And it all happened in the span of one movie.
Amazing theory. I kind of thought "Who's Geoffrey?" is kind of a link to Sodor's Legend of the Lost Treasure as well...even though I am not really a fan of "Who's Geoffrey?". But either way, it does make sense, if you consider "Who's Geoffrey?" occurring before Sodor's Legend of the Lost Treasure. But either way, I still love Sodor's Legend of the Lost Treasure, despite how heartbroken I got...with all of Thomas' scenes with the Fat Controller. But I do believe, that his punishment in the first place was understandable, since (as you said) he caused the express coaches to derail, across the main line. ...And personally, I do kind of find Gordon at fault there, because he was once again making "no shunting" nonsense, even though the Fat Controller told him, back in "Percy Runs Away", that none of the tender engines should be making complaints about shunting.
It wasn't Thomas' fault for the dynamite incident IMO. He didn't know Ryan was collecting dynamite. And even if he did, all the crates should have had their lids on. And even if he should've heard the workmen's warnings, the small engines told him to collect the rails.
Both were his fault. He didn't know Ryan would collect it but he did let him collect bad coal out of spite. And the little engines told him how to lay track, rails first, ballets second.
@@railwaysparrowThere is a whole fanfic on Devinantart called "Thomas leaves Sodor", which is an extended version of SLOTLT after Sir Topham Hatt blames Thomas for the dynamite incident, Thomas feeling completely depressed, rejected and heartbroken decides to not be on Sodor anymore by living on the Mainland, get repainted green and then later on Sir Topham Hatt finds out what really happened in the dynamite incident and suffers the guilt for framing Thomas and he, Emily and Gordon look for him. This movie and Who's Geoffrey? do seem to connect with each other at how Thomas sucks at lying and how he can't be trusted at any simple jobs whether it be normal, stupid or impractical he gets at whatever episodes he's spotlighted on, and Sir Topham Hatt in here probably decided to take a stand against Thomas' stupidity after all the years of crashes and property damage he caused in every season, episode and movie.
If they'd actually continue the original Thomas show, I'd have them fix everything and arrange some more experience for the TV history (TATMR, TAB, s5, pc, 2000s, segments, persons, size, movies)
I've Read A FanFiction Story Called 'Restoring Lost Honour', Basically It's SLOTLT But With Some Additional Stuff. But One Part Stands Out. When TFC Scolded Thomas About The Dynamite, What Happens? Well, After All That, Thomas Proclaims His Hatred For TFC And Plans To Leave Sodor To Be Scrapped, Donald And Douglas Overhear This And Tell All The Engines (Barring Edward & Gordon) About What Happened, And When They Reached Emily (Who Is Thomas' Love Interest In The FanFiction), She Charges At TFC, Almost Runs Him Over And Berates Him For The Whole Thing. I Can Post The Link To The Story If You Like?
@@worthybutter2004if went through a huge redemption arc working hard at the construction yard to make up for all the accidents he caused helping out others delivering new dynamite etc.
Theres still one thing that bothers me which is that when Thomas trys to tell Sir topham hat about the pirate ship he ignores him and gives Rocky all the credit for finding it so what im saying is that if Sir Topham Hat ever found out that it was Thomas who found the pirate ship. Im saying this cause it just bothers me a little.
Ive always thought that SLOTLT was the boiling point for Sir Topham Hatt to finally think that he should one day put his foot down on Thomas' shenanigans when Thomas goes way too far with his stupidity, eagerness or arrogance. Something weird that I noticed when I was on the Thomas Wiki 2 days ago or yesterday that I would've wished to be in the aftermath of the treasure chase sequence was that it mentioned Sir Topham Hatt bringing up Ryan also telling him about the dynamite incident. Another thing that I wouldve also liked for Thomas to explain to Topham was that he was the first one to discover the pirate ship not Rocky since he saw it when he fell down the sinkhole. The only time I can recall an engine straight up lashing out at Sir Topham Hatt for an accident he or she didn't cause whether it was something that wasn't out of his or her control or caused by someone else for spite was in Thomas1Edward2Henry3's S3 episode "Sent packing".
I actually kinda like the idea of Ryan being the villain fir some reason. Also, I think one issue with the movie is too much Thomas while old characters being brought back (even shoehorned in Daisy's case). Like, what's even the point if the main focus is always gonna be Thomas?
Man, most of this comments are intolerable, they keep blaming Gordon and TFC for everything. It was clearly all Thomas' own fault, he deserves being punished for his actions :/
While I didn't like the episode (The Fat Controller woul've already knew If a Tender Engine is now on his Railway) and personally I am one of the people who made Geoffrey a real Northwestern Railway Loco (I made him a WD Austerity 2-10-0 Tender Loco) but this was a great video!
If I was you, I'd calmly arranged with Mattel to sort out these series errors, continue the original Thomas show, and make just a few more edits on Sodor
my question is why did thomas start becoming arrogant in the first place we haven’t seen thomas like this since season one and now he starts going back to his old habits
That's what this video explains. Thomas starts lying in "Who's Geoffrey" to get out of trouble and because he doesn't get punished for it he starts getting cocky as we see at the start of SLOTLT.
@@juanserena3221 and the reason why Gordon said "That's what silly little tank engines are for" is not really because he is silly, but because Thomas is a LB&SCR E1 class which were LITERALLY MADE FOR SHUNTING
Personally, while Who's Geoffrey does acts as a nice prequel to SLOTLT, in my opinion I feel like it doesn't really add a lot to the overall plot (Plus, I feel like they should have actually had Geoffrey be real at the end). Not to mention, it doesn't excuse his behaviour towards Thomas. I mean alright, the first two times okay, but the third time? Nah, not on. Couldn't the Fatt Hatt just let Thomas get a bloody word in?! It really hurts just seeing him shouting at poor Thomas, especially the scene after the dynamite incident. What hurts even more is that Thomas doesn't shout back. I mean Thomas has stood up for himself to other characters before (Such as Diesel 10 in Thomas and the Magic Railroad, Spencer in Hero of the Rails and, of course, Hector in Hector the Horrid), so why he doesn't stand up to his own controller? In my opinion, what should have happened is that Thomas should have snapped back at the Fat Controller and run away from the Island of Sodor. The Fat Controller would then feel guilty for his actions and go to find his number one engine and apologise. After that, he then punishes Gordon for being lazy and rude towards Thomas by taking away his express and having him work at the Smelters.
I’m one of those people that does not like lost treasure of that much just because some stuff it’s not really due to the fact control or anything it’s really that I think there should just be another Main character And Ryan don’t get me started on him
I'm not sure it really improves the situation with the out of character writing... so, instead of it being limited to one movie for the story arc, it extends backwards into what looks like a rubbish episode? imo, I think that makes it all worse, that their grip on traits was slipping that early. Thomas can be rude or harsh but he's honest! I will say that in the vacuum of the movie, the cause and effects make sense, but it's on wonky foundation.
king of the railway season 17 tale of the brave season 18 the adventure begins sodors legend of the lost treasure season 19 the great race mfs be wastin my time
Season 19 is definitely meant to be before Legend of the Lost Treasure because I remember at the time they said it was set before it and we all got excited about how they would introduce characters from Lost Treasure and build up the plot points in it. They of course didn't (aside from the Who's Geoffrey connection), but I remember the hype at the time for what could have been.
So you’re telling me my dislike of SLOTLT and it’s seemingly dumb plot points of Sir Topham Hatt being an ass were completely unfounded because of an episode in the actual show? Man what the hell was going on back then that THIS LEVEL of continuity could’ve made opinions wildly different?
Thomas the train is not that freaking old, I don't know how many times I have to say this, Thomas the train is 37 years old, the Railway series were introduced in 1984
@Railway Sparrow, The fat controller was wrong in the dynamite incident. Yes, Thomas should NOT have tricked Ryan into taking on bad coal, but what The Fat Controller does to Thomas is too far. He outright accuses Thomas of trying to kill Ryan! I’m sorry, but no. That’s not right. Thomas isn’t the nicest engine, but he’s not cruel! He would never, ever intentionally try to murder an innocent engine, even if he didn’t like said engine! Also, isn’t not learning the full story too far, even a little?! True, it wouldn’t have changed much since Thomas tricked Ryan into taking on bad coal, but still. So basically, The Fat Controller makes the same mistake he does after the cavern incident. Like I said, giving your kids the message that they don’t matter is just not right at all! I completely understand why The Fat Controller is doing this to Thomas, but I can’t condone it!
Also, about the cavern incident. I agree Thomas wasn’t being very smart here. He shouldn’t have jumped in where he didn’t belong. He should have asked permission to take the supplies first, as well as where the supplies were going. However, once again, the way The Fat Controller handles it is not good. I don’t think Thomas is necessarily lying on that time. Rather, I think he’s telling The Fat Controller what he thinks happened. Maybe he didn’t hear the workmen’s warning (Granted, Thomas should have looked back to listen, but still). He’s not correct obviously, but it’s what he thinks happened. Also, I feel like dismissing Thomas the way he does is not the way to teach kids a lesson. I completely understand that The Fat Controller is trying to make Thomas learn, but that’s just not the way to do it. If you’re a parent, and you dismiss your kid the way The Fat Controller dismisses Thomas in that scene is going to give kids the message that their parents just don’t care about them, and let’s be real. Does a parent want their child to hate him/her? No! Absolutely not!
@@shugriiuchhvcccvahmed77det74 why should he? Thomas threw the first insult and chose to overreact by crashing the express. Even if you don’t like Gordon or Topham in this movie, an insult is minuscule compared to derailing an express train at a big junction.
@@shugriiuchhvcccvahmed77det74 please don’t use that as an excuse to argue against us. Your opinion does not justify running around with a heavy train on the main line. Why should Topham let Thomas off the hook for potentially endangering lives?
Despite Thomas not bothering to warn Ryan about the bad coal, still he sorta does the right thing to push the dynamites away to protect everyone - besides, Sir Topham Hatt becomes out of character to get this furious and harsh ever
In my opinion Thomas should’ve called his controller a mewling q**m during the dynamite that would’ve been so hardcore and showed the fat controller. 😡😅
@@kylemcnellis5893 you don’t seem like it when you’re acting like those online clickbaiters who say he’s authoritarian and treats the engines like slaves.
I agree with what you say about Thomas, but this is The Fat Controller's WORST movie/special appearance to date! He just goes back to how he treated Percy for NO ABSOLUTE REASON in Middle Engine during the 3rd time where he "punishes" Thomas.
🙋🏻♂️ I strongly beg to differ I can rewrite S-L-O-T-L-T and have Thomas & the fat controller in their true colors and not of character whatsoever it doesn’t suit the critics and it didn’t and still today doesn’t suit me Topham was just being so unfair to his Number 1 as Thomas May have caused the accident he couldn’t acted quickly to fetch the breakdown train and Judy & Jerome would put all the coaches back on the rails and then would the fat controller forgive him? Improvement. And then lost treasure won’t be so bad after all. So take note 📝 because I see the better in them as we’re not in the young age anymore. P.S I’m only saying so just to let you know that I’m trying to improve Thomas & the fat controller respectfully.
You really misunderstood this video. Even if thomas fixed the mess quickly (which would be hard when its so big and would take so long) the fat controller would still have every right to be just as angry at him. Also the fat controller being forgiving when engines make an accident isn't in character. He has been just as angry here over smaller issues that were not the engines fault.
It’s also worth noting, how vague TFC’s line “Ryan told me everything” is. It could not only mean about how Thomas worked hard to prevent Sailor John from stealing the treasure, but also explaining how he tried to prevent an accident he caused with the dynamite.
If only people in the fandom aren't so annoyingly stubborn to figure that through their head or get a reality check because I'm so sick of people kicking on something that's obviously a dead horse at this point. "tHoMaS gEtTiNg pUnIsHeD tHrEe tImEs iN tHe SaMe mOvIe iZ nAt fAiR!!11!!1 aLl tHrEe oF tHoZe tHiNgZ aRe bEyAnD TaMiZ'es KaNTrOl!!1!" It's like these people are so blind and oblivious, it looks to me that they either assumed otherwise without watching the movie or even reconsidered their thoughts. I was wrong to believe the third incident wasn't entirely Thomas' fault because I should have remembered about that line where Thomas apologizes to Ryan about the dynamite incident. That's like saying Topham bricking Henry up in the tunnel is unjustified, even though the reason for it was because Henry was being selfish about his appearance, not because he did nothing to deserve getting walled up.
I find it really ironic or even hypocritical (or a complete double standard) how people in the fandom refuse to believe in any of those dipshit journalists that make up those false claims on "The Sad Story of Henry" for clickbait sake, yet they act like them whenever The Fat Controller told Thomas off on all three incidents that Thomas not only did to himself because of his arrogance and lack of honesty, but because he put the first incident onto Gordon as well. This needs to stop for all I care. Railway Sparrow made his point clear already and no one else has ever heard of a reality check.
@@BriceInkling138And by the way, quoted by The Unlucky Tug, some people talked about how Thomas was out of character when seeing Ryan for a fraction of the movie, but forgot how this dude was in the books, he was a mischievous tank engine that was different from the one we’re looking at here. Sure he’s made growth but can’t we have some of the OG Book’s Thomas for once?
These people are real idiots, I swear.
The fact you brought up "Who's Geoffrey?" as a prequel episode to the 2015 movie from your video to begin with makes a lot of sense in one way or another and I am still glad you made the video and I appreciate the research and effort you put into the video from 2022.
One thing I love that the fandom did was the Trainz site Sodor Workshops, which has a downloadable freeware model of a what-if Geoffrey, which is based on Thomas's description of Geoffrey. Honestly, if the fandom can do that, I can't believe all of those who complain or nitpick about Sir Topham and Thomas's attitude haven't just fixed their satisfactions by creating their own version of a prequel of SLOTLT
They even made Geoffrey an ROD 2-8-0, The ROD 2-8-0s are some of my favourite real locomotives so I appreciate what they did with Geoffrey
Me personally, I want a lost treasure prequel to be the episode Goodbye, Fat Controller, The 2nd last episode of season 19.
See, in my version of the *entire* CGI series (Yes, I want to rewrite the whole CGI Thomas era), The episode Goodbye, Fat Controller would instead be Topham not planning to leave Sodor, but rather retire, which this time actually turns out to be true, with him making plans. And sorry to say, Thomas' attitude in this movie would be more suited to The Adventure Begins, where he is just as cheeky as in his debut. The real #1 Thomas movie. That way, Thomas' attitude won't have to be exaggerated like it was here, Making Topham come of as more cruel, Ala Dr. Eggman in tails' story (Sonic Adventure)
And the movie itself can play out with its own 3 strikes, but after it's found out that STH refused to accept that Thomas saved everyone, things come to a boiling point because he not only let Gordon get away with teasing Thomas, but credited Rocky for discovering the pirate ship where there's no logical way a crane like him could have.
For all these actions, Topham is given the boot before he can complete his retirement plans. And Gordon? In my Henry gets the Express rewrite, Gordon gets the Express taken away as punishment for his behaviour.
It sure sucks Geoffrey's not a real character
@@TankEngine75 No, he's a Great Central Railway Class 8K
@@lachlantheGWRengine Same thing, just with a different name
I think Thomas and The Fat Controller act naturally.
Sir Topham Hatt acts like an actual authority figure.
And Thomas is mostly cheeky so this fits their classic personalities.
I mean, if you stop looking at the fat hat as a character, and start looking at him like he's the controller, his actions are mostly justified
@@whitewolf8051 also the damage done to Thomas and the express coaches would cost a fair bit of the Fat controller's money to repair and of course the ruined rails and sleepers would need to be replaced too so that didn't help matters either.
so I can see way the controller of the NWR would be in a bad mood about it all. because of the trouble he caused I think Thomas's number one being covered up by dirt is a fitting punishment
@@eliotreader8220 He's always in a bad mood.
@@eliotreader8220 Thomas also deserved the bad coal from earlier.
@@IloveRio-fp1vg That because Sir Topham Hatt was a big jerk to Thomas for yelling at him that’s why!
Mate Thomas’ character is a cheeky prick, he’s not out of character he’s more in character then he’s ever been since the books!
I thought you hated him!
I never really had an issue with the characters of Thomas and Sir Topham Hatt. I merely thought the writers did that on purpose as an Easter egg to what they were like back in Season 1. Even Ryan's character was acceptable. Of course, I never noticed until now how Who's Geoffrey? ties into the plot of SLOTLT! Brilliant explanation!
A relief to see someone actually acknowledge that the dynamite incident *was* ultimately Thomas’ fault. What I think makes Thomas’ character arc from S19 into LOTLT even better is how we got TAB right before S19, to give us the full bookend to bookend story arc. I love Thomas and Topham’s characterizations in this movie. Finally I can take Topham seriously for one thing. Thomas is maybe a little more childish than I’d like him to be but that also comes down to his voice, especially in the US. For the most part, the dialogue itself captures him really well. His flaws are on full display and I’m here for it.
The one thing I will say though is I honestly don’t think Ryan was meant to be a “villain,” or even a legitimate antagonist. Overconfident and dismissive is literally exactly how Thomas acts in this movie, and he’s not a villain. He surely would have been less of a nice character, but I don’t think there’s anything to suggest he’d be any more antagonistic than like, Diesel in Misty Island Rescue or something kinda like that. Being overconfident in a way that causes problems, but not being malicious in any way. But even then, I’m glad they didn’t go with that. The fact that Thomas is unjustified in his dislike of Ryan works in the movies favor in my opinion and I’m glad they went with what they did for him.
I Agree, I remembered hearing that Ryan's wooden railway box said he knew sailor john? But I couldn't find out if that was true.
@@railwaysparrow I can understand way Thomas was worried about being replaced by Ryan on his branch line. this fear is possibly because Ryan is more modern and perhaps a bit stronger than he is
The dynamite incident was not Thomas' fault. He saved everyone.
@@matthewsoares9880 But the dynamite only was lit to begin with because Thomas let Ryan take the bad coal purely out of spite. He obviously didn’t anticipate Ryan’s sparks to light an explosive, but he knew the coal would be painful for Ryan, since he’d experienced it himself. He could and should have warned Ryan, but chose not to out of pure pettiness. It’s more indirect than his first two accidents but his actions still led to disaster.
@@MainLineEngine112 He actually forget to tell him about it.
So since "Who's Geoffrey?" ia a prequel to "Sodor's Legend of the Lost Treasure", then Sir Topham hatt should have reminded Thomas about that time he blamed Geoffrey.
let's remember that Thomas IS SUPPOSED to be arrogant, that was his character in the RWS
Good to see a good explanation of this subject. I was always someone who really liked their characters in SLOTLT, and this video confirmed my opinion. Surprised to have found some other cool things as well as you mentioned, like Thomas constantly looking away. Again, a very well in-depth analysis of my favourite Thomas movie, good job!
I wonder if sodors legend of the lost treasure was based on a scrapped railway series book that wilbert wanted to tell but couldn’t
The movie was great and this really explains way Thomas and Sir Topham Hatt acted like that. Great explanation! Also like how you brought up “Who’s Jeffery?”
I’m glad someone has put a deeper nose dive into this. The fact that so many people despise this film purely because of the Fat Controller’s treatment towards Thomas is honestly petty and I feel like they don’t know the personalities. *not saying they don’t, but that’s just how I feel*
The thing about SLOTLT is that Thomas and the Fat Controller are actually in character here. For so long, the Fat Controller was portrayed as the stereotypical funny fat man. To see him act authoritarian again felt so real and true to his character. After all, it’s this personality that was introduced to us all the way back in 1945 when he shut up Henry in the tunnel then let him back out again, or when he moved Thomas to Edward’s station to learn how to deal with trucks.
And the fact that most of the fandom rejected this portrayal in the film is kinda as saddening as how Percy went through a character arc of being brave in TOTB only to regress back into his cowardly nature in the next season.
But back to the point, that’s an interesting idea. Who’s Geoffrey and SLOTLT definitely share similarities as you pointed out. In fact, back in 2015 when I first watched it after SLOTLT, I was a little confused to why Thomas decided to tell a lie after his growth in the film, until it was revealed that SLOTLT takes place after Season 19 and the Great Race. After that statement, it all made sense, especially as Season 20 backed this up with the Ryan & Daisy episodes and the Arlesdale Trilogy.
I wonder if slotlt was based on a railway series book that never got published
I think I lost count of the fanfics where Thomas decides to run away because of mean old Fat Hatt shouting at him.
@@dannypalin9583 I know one popular one which was called 'Thomas Leaves Sodor', and being honest, it's not a good fanfic.
But yeah, that's really telling how fans reacted to the dynamite incident, and being honest, it's rather childish. The Fat Controller may not have had the whole details, but it was entirely Thomas' fault for not warning Ryan about the bad coal. He had put Ryan and so many others at risk from that.
However, credit where credit is due. Thomas was brave with stopping the dynamite and if the construction vehicles had told the Fat Controller exactly what happened, perhaps he could have been less harsh.
But it still wouldn't change the fact that Thomas was indeed at fault for what happened, and people can blame everything on the Fat Controller, Gordon or anybody else for it, it all points back to Thomas.
@@dannypalin9583 I think I remember 2
Plus, James becoming more cocky and mischievous, but still kind-hearted
In sir topham hatts defence, if I saw one of my engines chasing another engine with a train of dynamite, I’d be pretty livid
Even if they were trying to save them?
If I saw that too! I would just ignore it and continue what I was doing
Because this is my Logic
All I can say is:
You're a fricking genius.
Thomas destories over a thousand dollars on coaches
The Fandom
tOPhAM IS ToO rUDe
honestly, I 100% agree
If you were a manager, and you lost money because you lost valuable supplies because an employee was being stupid, you'd react in the same way.
But, yes. These people are upset because mean old Fatty is actually being a figure of discipline instead of a dopey goon.
Brenner, he was our genious HERO , we all needed , got and lost
I've stood by this take on the movie since 2015.
"Never Overlook a Little Engine", while a cool song, doesn't belong in SLOTLT. I never saw any circumstance where Thomas was put down because of being little.
Everything that goes wrong in the movie is on Thomas. He nearly caused a head-on collision with Toby while racing Bertie. He gloated that he could get away with anything because he was the number one engine.
People were late for work or important matters, such as hospital visits, because Thomas not only slept in, but decided to fool around with Gordon's coaches. And then, when a pile-up was caused, and trains were delayed until it could be cleared and the tracks declared safe, what does Thomas do? Say it was Gordon's fault. Then Emily's. Then Toby's.
Thomas proceeds to complain to the small engines that Gordon caused his banishment to the Construction Yard. It's never his fault.
He loses valuable building supplies by rushing in and not listening to warnings.
He deliberately neglects to tell Ryan about bad coal when Ryan's handling explosives. He may have saved everyone, but it doesn't change the fact that he put everyone in danger.
And yet people insist that the Fat Controller is being aggressive and nasty. If you lost valuable supplies and money because an employee's acting the fool, you'd act just the same.
This movie was about Thomas learning to get over himself and get his act together.
Nobody cares if Thomas saved anybody from the dynamite. He doomed everybody.
You hate Thomas in the movie!
You thought TFC was going easy on Thomas.
At this point these people who hate this movie and Topham getting annoyed with Thomas aren’t real Thomas fans.
@@joshuaW5621especially the one in the replies who’s immaturely suggests the wrong side of it.
If Who’s Geoffrey was part of the movie, not only this would make SLOTLT a lot longer but the fandom wouldn’t be so picky.
And it’s not just Stanley in the great discovery too. In every era this occurs. There’s Arthur whom he literally causes an accident. There is also partially the railway series with Stepney taking an important train I believe.
Funny how some Geoffrey character that doesn't even exsist fixes the whole movie, while hit era characters who get tons of merchandise and marketing have no impact to any of the story at all! (I'm exaggerating of course, really great video!)
I swear this was floating around on the Wiki for ages so I was expecting whos Geoffrey in the end 🤣 great video man :), I think Thomas and fat man are in their classic era prime-personalities in this film it’s wonderful
I didn't really like the fact Topham is way too hard on Thomas when I watched lost treasure for the first, but after watching this it's definitely changed my opinion. Thomas really messed up and Topham had every right to be cross with him, especially when Thomas lies.
You know what I think would be good character growth for thomas
@@cinnamonmantrainsareawesom7224 they never grow tbh, they make the same mistakes over and over again despite "having learnt their lessons"
@@A.i.r_K ain’t that the truth
@@A.i.r_K At least the characters remains who they are and we like them for that.
@@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967 I like Thomas, but only classic Thomas. I choose to remember the cheeky, smiling but able to make other faces tank engine I grew up with. Models> what TTTE became.
Lost Treasure is the best Thomas movie.
It gets better when you consider the context of Who’s Geoffrey and how it plays into the two main characters and their roles in the movie.
Wait I just realized Gordon was put in a similar position in his railway series book and then he had quite the redemption arc
Yeah yeah sure sure whatever you said, you toxic boy
Well i think its fine the way thomas acts because hes always been a cheeky doshbag in the rws. The same could be said for topham as he knows any accident or mishap gives the railway a bad reputation
And Thomas blaming others for his mistakes was also in character for him.
For half of the movie Thomas Has his Number 1 scraped off as he feels he isn't the number 1 engine anymore but at the end of the chase scene it comes back probably because he Is Truly Number 1 again
Symbolism.
@@IloveRio-fp1vg Nah bro thanks for reminding me of this comment
@@phineas3704 Nah?
For those who complain they never saw the sad story of henry
Those fake fans who complain about Topham in this movie remind me of MostAmazingTop10.
Those winey kids who complain about Topham in this movie remind me of MostAmazingTop10.
I was thinking Sir Topham Hatt didn't know about the bad coal, and in his car, only saw Thomas pushing the dynamite cars, and nothing else, and from his point of view, it looked like Thomas was fighting with Ryan in a dangerous way, and that may have been why he got so angry. And about the incident where he fell into the hole, I thought he really was telling what he thought was the truth to Sir Topham Hatt. The narrator said that Thomas did hear the men shouting, but he misinterpreted it as them being happy to see him and not as them trying to stop him, so technically, Thomas wasn't really LYING, he was telling Sir Topham Hatt his perspective of things, even if it wasn't how events really played out.
His point of view is more important than anyone else's!
It’s funny how Thomas has tired to lie and/or stretch the truth, constantly in the past. If he said, “I didn’t hear them.” or “I couldn’t tell what they were saying.” He might’ve been able to get leniency, as this is a genuine excuse, and Thomas actually did mishear them.
Fun Fact: In SLOTLT When The Arisdale Car If You Hear Really Closely You Can Hear S1-2 Brake Sounds.
Very nice theory!
Honestly, my guess for why Thomas and Fatty acted the way they do in SLOLT, is because the writers decided to be a bit more Railway Series accurate. In the RWS (and the seasons that adapted it), Thomas could be kind of a prick at times, and Fatty was usually much more stern and less lenient.
Also, nothing against Ryan, he’s a good character and I definitely like him, but his role in SLOLT could’ve easily been filled by Stanley.
Ryan and Stanley both have the same problem. They both feel like plot devices instead of characters. Just somebody to make Thomas jealous. At least Ryan got his personality fleshed out in a future episode while Stanley remained a complete blank slate
@@ryhi5 yeah they do feel like plot devices, but good ones nonetheless.
I recently went back and watched Great Discovery for probably the first time in a decade (I’ll be 28 this year, I was 14 when it was new) and it was honestly better than I remember.
Thomas and Stanley eventually coming to one another’s aid at the end was definitely a heartwarming moment.
God, 2015 feels like a lifetime ago. The 70th anniversary was phenomenal!!!! I was 13 and in middle school then, now eight years later in 2023 I’m finishing my 3rd year of college and gonna turn 22 later this year. Time is insane!!!
The fact that people are still upset with Topham today and making hate art of him is embarrassing.
“It’s one of or maybe the best movie.”
Hero of the Rails: *Am I a joke to you?*
Hero of the rails is a good Thomas movie but not the Best absolutely.
Thomas and The Magic Railroad: *Didn’t you acknowledge that I exist?*
@@Kyranyoutubevidsnow this is considered bad, okay, and underrated in some people’s opinion.
0:38 but, that's Thomas's true Character and it always has been. In case you don't already know, Thomas's character IS a cheeky prick
And evil!
His lies were part of the RWS.
@@IloveRio-fp1vg No, not really.
The fact that people say this movie is the worst singularly because of TFC just baffles me and makes me think they must be 8 year olds. They say that he was unjustified when the accidents, which were all caused by Thomas being a selfish little child. Even saying Thomas is out of character in the movie still boils my blood and makes me think that they hate these two because they grew up with either the HiT era or the Miller era and didn't see the Golden era or the RWS. They are perfectly in character; Thomas is the cheeky little prick who occasionally gets in trouble, and TFC is once again a respectable authority figure. And to all you haters who dislike the movie just because of those two reasons, GROW UP
But didn't Thomas become more mature as the show went on?
@@worthybutter2004 he indeed did, and became more of a nice guy in the modern years, and in the HiT era he was a literal dumb child, so seeing his RWS character on display in SLOTLT was a nice breath of fresh air.
This is why I’m making a criticism video on the SLOTLT haters.
@@joshuaW5621 Are you a member of the Thomas fandom, if so then is your name FlyingMallard?
@@ThomastheGOAT1975 yes it is.
Who’s Geoffrey? Is an underrated episode.
Here's how I see the Knapford incident. Thomas was indeed his fault, but at the same time, Gordon was the instigator, going on about that "Tender Engines Don't Shunt" bullshit. That being said, Thomas should've ignored Gordon and been like "Keep telling yourself that you big blue baffoon!" or "Silly Litttle Engine? That's the best insult you got?".
It was actually Thomas who instigated the whole ordeal at Knapford when he went at Gordon with the "Lazy Gordon" bullshit first
@@ThomastheGOAT1975 Must have forgotten that.
I can't believe it's been seven years since Sodor legend of the Lost treasure was created makes me feel old
Too bad there are still people hating on Topham even after this video came out.
Very good and interesting theory I'll admit I never thought of it that way
I wonder if this was planned as an actual prequel or if it was just a happy coincidence
In 2015, 2016, and 2017, Thomas acted more of a mischievous comedian with his annoying laugh "hmm-hmm-hmm-hmmm" than his usual friendly, helpful, sensible self, while Sir Topham Hatt experienced more idiotic stuff - Emily has too many roles, Toby only got a few, and Henry acted like a coward
I completaly understand why TFC was mad at Thomas, and all of his scenes where he is angry at Thomas are justified. But for some reason, those scenes still make me uncomfortable to this day. Hopefully this sense of unese was on purpose.
Same.
Topham is always in the right!
He was going easy on Thomas.
Thomas in this or certain movies literally makes Edward in bad episodes (like “Edward Strikes Out”) kinda look like a saint but at least Thomas has a REASON why he does things and is less worse but Edward is or can be a borderline narcissist
@Railway Sparrow Olivia Coleman joined the voice cast in Tale of the Brave.
Excellent analysis, I think Lost Treasure might have been Thomas's best characterization. As well as one of if not the best character Arc of the entire series. And it all happened in the span of one movie.
I thought everyone hated him in this movie.
I thought you hated him.
Define "him"
@@fairlyoddenginecreations Thomas.
@@fairlyoddenginecreations Dude?
Maybe there's a prequel that explains the treasure.
I highly doubt this was intentional but it sure is a fun headcanon
Amazing theory. I kind of thought "Who's Geoffrey?" is kind of a link to Sodor's Legend of the Lost Treasure as well...even though I am not really a fan of "Who's Geoffrey?". But either way, it does make sense, if you consider "Who's Geoffrey?" occurring before Sodor's Legend of the Lost Treasure. But either way, I still love Sodor's Legend of the Lost Treasure, despite how heartbroken I got...with all of Thomas' scenes with the Fat Controller. But I do believe, that his punishment in the first place was understandable, since (as you said) he caused the express coaches to derail, across the main line. ...And personally, I do kind of find Gordon at fault there, because he was once again making "no shunting" nonsense, even though the Fat Controller told him, back in "Percy Runs Away", that none of the tender engines should be making complaints about shunting.
Who cares if Gordon is at fault as well? He was right to tease Thomas to begin with.
@@IloveRio-fp1vg How?
@@worthybutter2004Thomas started the whole thing at Knapford when he went at Gordon with the "Lazy Gordon" insult first
It wasn't Thomas' fault for the dynamite incident IMO. He didn't know Ryan was collecting dynamite. And even if he did, all the crates should have had their lids on. And even if he should've heard the workmen's warnings, the small engines told him to collect the rails.
Both were his fault.
He didn't know Ryan would collect it but he did let him collect bad coal out of spite.
And the little engines told him how to lay track, rails first, ballets second.
@@railwaysparrow I honestly forgot the latter.
@@railwaysparrow that's fair. Giving bad coal to someone else is bad on its own. The dynamite being lit was just a consequence.
@@railwaysparrowThere is a whole fanfic on Devinantart called "Thomas leaves Sodor", which is an extended version of SLOTLT after Sir Topham Hatt blames Thomas for the dynamite incident, Thomas feeling completely depressed, rejected and heartbroken decides to not be on Sodor anymore by living on the Mainland, get repainted green and then later on Sir Topham Hatt finds out what really happened in the dynamite incident and suffers the guilt for framing Thomas and he, Emily and Gordon look for him.
This movie and Who's Geoffrey? do seem to connect with each other at how Thomas sucks at lying and how he can't be trusted at any simple jobs whether it be normal, stupid or impractical he gets at whatever episodes he's spotlighted on, and Sir Topham Hatt in here probably decided to take a stand against Thomas' stupidity after all the years of crashes and property damage he caused in every season, episode and movie.
@@jeremiahsisaias8677 Everyone hates Thomas. He is evil and unlikeable.
If they'd actually continue the original Thomas show, I'd have them fix everything and arrange some more experience for the TV history (TATMR, TAB, s5, pc, 2000s, segments, persons, size, movies)
I've Read A FanFiction Story Called 'Restoring Lost Honour', Basically It's SLOTLT But With Some Additional Stuff.
But One Part Stands Out.
When TFC Scolded Thomas About The Dynamite, What Happens?
Well, After All That, Thomas Proclaims His Hatred For TFC And Plans To Leave Sodor To Be Scrapped, Donald And Douglas Overhear This And Tell All The Engines (Barring Edward & Gordon) About What Happened, And When They Reached Emily (Who Is Thomas' Love Interest In The FanFiction), She Charges At TFC, Almost Runs Him Over And Berates Him For The Whole Thing.
I Can Post The Link To The Story If You Like?
Feel free to.
Dang, you actually made a pretty good observation, now I understand why fat hat was a jerk in this
You know what I think would be great character growth for thomas after slotlt
What?
@@worthybutter2004if went through a huge redemption arc working hard at the construction yard to make up for all the accidents he caused helping out others delivering new dynamite etc.
@@cinnamonmantrainsareawesom7224 I guess so.
Theres still one thing that bothers me which is that when Thomas trys to tell Sir topham hat about the pirate ship he ignores him and gives Rocky all the credit for finding it so what im saying is that if Sir Topham Hat ever found out that it was Thomas who found the pirate ship. Im saying this cause it just bothers me a little.
Very well hidden Mattel
while i do believe topham and thomas were in character,i never looked at it this way.well done
Finally, Someone that explains this movie perfectly!
They shouldn’t need a gag of repeating how Thomas is a tank engine who is considered cheeky
OMG when I saw the title I literally said its who's Geoffrey!
Cant wait to see what u can do with the new laptop
Ive always thought that SLOTLT was the boiling point for Sir Topham Hatt to finally think that he should one day put his foot down on Thomas' shenanigans when Thomas goes way too far with his stupidity, eagerness or arrogance.
Something weird that I noticed when I was on the Thomas Wiki 2 days ago or yesterday that I would've wished to be in the aftermath of the treasure chase sequence was that it mentioned Sir Topham Hatt bringing up Ryan also telling him about the dynamite incident.
Another thing that I wouldve also liked for Thomas to explain to Topham was that he was the first one to discover the pirate ship not Rocky since he saw it when he fell down the sinkhole.
The only time I can recall an engine straight up lashing out at Sir Topham Hatt for an accident he or she didn't cause whether it was something that wasn't out of his or her control or caused by someone else for spite was in Thomas1Edward2Henry3's S3 episode "Sent packing".
I actually kinda like the idea of Ryan being the villain fir some reason. Also, I think one issue with the movie is too much Thomas while old characters being brought back (even shoehorned in Daisy's case). Like, what's even the point if the main focus is always gonna be Thomas?
ThomasHDMedia has a high quality version of the uk sodors legend of the lost treasure on his RUclips channel.
I think Geoffrey is an LNER 2-8-0 painted dark red with black lining & wheels.
I just realized something sir topham hatt wasn’t too harsh on Thomas that was what the writers wanted us to think
He was going easy on him.
This will actually make sense
Great video and hopefully your new computer will work for you
Man, most of this comments are intolerable, they keep blaming Gordon and TFC for everything. It was clearly all Thomas' own fault, he deserves being punished for his actions :/
That wasn't Eddie Redmayne, that was Jamie Campbell Bower
While I didn't like the episode (The Fat Controller woul've already knew If a Tender Engine is now on his Railway) and personally I am one of the people who made Geoffrey a real Northwestern Railway Loco (I made him a WD Austerity 2-10-0 Tender Loco) but this was a great video!
I wonder what duck, Oliver, Donald, Douglas and the pack would’ve thought of Thomas’s actions during the film
If I was you, I'd calmly arranged with Mattel to sort out these series errors, continue the original Thomas show, and make just a few more edits on Sodor
my question is why did thomas start becoming arrogant in the first place we haven’t seen thomas like this since season one and now he starts going back to his old habits
That's what this video explains.
Thomas starts lying in "Who's Geoffrey" to get out of trouble and because he doesn't get punished for it he starts getting cocky as we see at the start of SLOTLT.
@@railwaysparrow sure took a while for thomas to learn a lesson huh
@@railwaysparrow I still have hope for the Marc Forster film
@@railwaysparrow Which is why you and everyone else hate him.
I personally like Thomas's cheeky personality returning because the modern years mad him too nice
if gordon didn't say "that's what silly little engines are for" thomas never did that 3:01
If Thomas never went for the "Lazy Gordon" insult, Gordon wouldn't have insulted him
@Gaming-sv1jp the reason why thomas said that because it was teach gordon that tender engines do shunt
@@juanserena3221 and the reason why Gordon said "That's what silly little tank engines are for" is not really because he is silly, but because Thomas is a LB&SCR E1 class which were LITERALLY MADE FOR SHUNTING
@@juanserena3221 oh and also short distance goods trains
@@ThomastheGOAT1975 is a E2 not E1 and the E2s are not only for shunting of cause
Personally, while Who's Geoffrey does acts as a nice prequel to SLOTLT, in my opinion I feel like it doesn't really add a lot to the overall plot (Plus, I feel like they should have actually had Geoffrey be real at the end).
Not to mention, it doesn't excuse his behaviour towards Thomas. I mean alright, the first two times okay, but the third time? Nah, not on. Couldn't the Fatt Hatt just let Thomas get a bloody word in?!
It really hurts just seeing him shouting at poor Thomas, especially the scene after the dynamite incident. What hurts even more is that Thomas doesn't shout back.
I mean Thomas has stood up for himself to other characters before (Such as Diesel 10 in Thomas and the Magic Railroad, Spencer in Hero of the Rails and, of course, Hector in Hector the Horrid), so why he doesn't stand up to his own controller?
In my opinion, what should have happened is that Thomas should have snapped back at the Fat Controller and run away from the Island of Sodor. The Fat Controller would then feel guilty for his actions and go to find his number one engine and apologise. After that, he then punishes Gordon for being lazy and rude towards Thomas by taking away his express and having him work at the Smelters.
I’m one of those people that does not like lost treasure of that much just because some stuff it’s not really due to the fact control or anything it’s really that I think there should just be another Main character And Ryan don’t get me started on him
This is we don't have train with what he has...
I'm not sure it really improves the situation with the out of character writing... so, instead of it being limited to one movie for the story arc, it extends backwards into what looks like a rubbish episode? imo, I think that makes it all worse, that their grip on traits was slipping that early. Thomas can be rude or harsh but he's honest!
I will say that in the vacuum of the movie, the cause and effects make sense, but it's on wonky foundation.
They did gets Thomas’ personality right, but it’s in the wrong movie.
king of the railway
season 17
tale of the brave
season 18
the adventure begins
sodors legend of the lost treasure
season 19
the great race
mfs be wastin my time
No S19 aired in the uk before SLOTLT
Season 19 is definitely meant to be before Legend of the Lost Treasure because I remember at the time they said it was set before it and we all got excited about how they would introduce characters from Lost Treasure and build up the plot points in it. They of course didn't (aside from the Who's Geoffrey connection), but I remember the hype at the time for what could have been.
So you will ask Mattel creation television to ask if you want to help.
Let’s form a group with Mattel to go over these series error issues and out-of-character moments
A justified jerk.
This makes mad sense!
in the first place someone shouldn't have put the bad coal and thomas was telling about the bad coal 5:53
What about Thomas and Gordon’s alliance? It’s completely gone in this movie.
Exactly! I thought they had gotten over their silly arguments by now.
It’s been broken since season 5 tbh.
So you’re telling me my dislike of SLOTLT and it’s seemingly dumb plot points of Sir Topham Hatt being an ass were completely unfounded because of an episode in the actual show?
Man what the hell was going on back then that THIS LEVEL of continuity could’ve made opinions wildly different?
You better start liking SLOTLT now
@@xxxmcnuggwtsxxx9859 one watching of Who’s Geoffrey? And the SLOTLT rewatch coming up.
@@xxxmcnuggwtsxxx9859 his opinion is his opinion. All I’m saying, even if I don’t agree.
@@xxxmcnuggwtsxxx9859 Hey. Don't be such an opinion disrespector.
No it was Thomas's 31 anniversary
He's talking about the 70th anniversary of the Railway Series.
Thomas the train is not that freaking old, I don't know how many times I have to say this, Thomas the train is 37 years old, the Railway series were introduced in 1984
@@serenarenfro2668 The first RWS book came out in 1945.
Nice
@Railway Sparrow, The fat controller was wrong in the dynamite incident. Yes, Thomas should NOT have tricked Ryan into taking on bad coal, but what The Fat Controller does to Thomas is too far. He outright accuses Thomas of trying to kill Ryan! I’m sorry, but no. That’s not right. Thomas isn’t the nicest engine, but he’s not cruel! He would never, ever intentionally try to murder an innocent engine, even if he didn’t like said engine! Also, isn’t not learning the full story too far, even a little?! True, it wouldn’t have changed much since Thomas tricked Ryan into taking on bad coal, but still. So basically, The Fat Controller makes the same mistake he does after the cavern incident. Like I said, giving your kids the message that they don’t matter is just not right at all! I completely understand why The Fat Controller is doing this to Thomas, but I can’t condone it!
Also, about the cavern incident. I agree Thomas wasn’t being very smart here. He shouldn’t have jumped in where he didn’t belong. He should have asked permission to take the supplies first, as well as where the supplies were going.
However, once again, the way The Fat Controller handles it is not good. I don’t think Thomas is necessarily lying on that time. Rather, I think he’s telling The Fat Controller what he thinks happened. Maybe he didn’t hear the workmen’s warning (Granted, Thomas should have looked back to listen, but still). He’s not correct obviously, but it’s what he thinks happened. Also, I feel like dismissing Thomas the way he does is not the way to teach kids a lesson. I completely understand that The Fat Controller is trying to make Thomas learn, but that’s just not the way to do it. If you’re a parent, and you dismiss your kid the way The Fat Controller dismisses Thomas in that scene is going to give kids the message that their parents just don’t care about them, and let’s be real. Does a parent want their child to hate him/her? No! Absolutely not!
Thomas shouldn’t even haltfa do shunting so much often, and he shouldn’t halfta be chosen to fetch Gordon’s express coaches
Your annoyed that Thomas has to do his job...
@@railwaysparrow Gordon was right to tease Thomas and say tender engines don't shunt.
Then what is the point of shunters
Just because he has a branch line doesn’t mean he can’t do pilot duties the odd time.
Im here before 1k views
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Wow
Sorry, but i still prefer TAB over SLOTLT.
Nah, I can still see why…
I like slotlt
andrew brenner forgot to fixed thomas ans sir topham hatt
Did you grow up with the Miller era? Because Thomas and TFC are properly in character
@@ThomastheGOAT1975 yes
@@juanserena3221 knew it
@@ThomastheGOAT1975 also i wnat andrew brenner's email
@@juanserena3221 why?
I think one thing they need to fix, is showing Gordon getting in trouble.
But Thomas started it.
🤦 well gordon should apologize to thomas of getting
His in trouble
@@shugriiuchhvcccvahmed77det74 why should he? Thomas threw the first insult and chose to overreact by crashing the express. Even if you don’t like Gordon or Topham in this movie, an insult is minuscule compared to derailing an express train at a big junction.
Yeah but it still my opinion you kown
@@shugriiuchhvcccvahmed77det74 please don’t use that as an excuse to argue against us. Your opinion does not justify running around with a heavy train on the main line. Why should Topham let Thomas off the hook for potentially endangering lives?
The Fat Controller should apologise to Thomas
I agree with you teagan, but what if you opinion that thomas will run away from nwr and never come back
Percy will go with his best friend
Thank you teaganm
Despite Thomas not bothering to warn Ryan about the bad coal, still he sorta does the right thing to push the dynamites away to protect everyone - besides, Sir Topham Hatt becomes out of character to get this furious and harsh ever
Did you even watch the video?
@@railwaysparrow I wonder if sodors legend of the lost treasure was based on a planned railway series book that never got published
@@railwaysparrow Yes
@@cinnamonmantrainsareawesom7224 I don't think so.
@@IloveRio-fp1vg well it feels like one
In my opinion Thomas should’ve called his controller a mewling q**m during the dynamite that would’ve been so hardcore and showed the fat controller. 😡😅
He wouldn’t do that. You aren’t even a real fan, which is why you know nothing about Thomas at all.
@@joshuaW5621Yes I do, I grew up watching dvds of it.
@@kylemcnellis5893 you don’t seem like it when you’re acting like those online clickbaiters who say he’s authoritarian and treats the engines like slaves.
I agree with what you say about Thomas, but this is The Fat Controller's WORST movie/special appearance to date! He just goes back to how he treated Percy for NO ABSOLUTE REASON in Middle Engine during the 3rd time where he "punishes" Thomas.
@@ThomastheGOAT1975 I did, it’s just my opinion.
🙋🏻♂️ I strongly beg to differ I can rewrite S-L-O-T-L-T and have Thomas & the fat controller in their true colors and not of character whatsoever it doesn’t suit the critics and it didn’t and still today doesn’t suit me Topham was just being so unfair to his Number 1 as Thomas May have caused the accident he couldn’t acted quickly to fetch the breakdown train and Judy & Jerome would put all the coaches back on the rails and then would the fat controller forgive him? Improvement. And then lost treasure won’t be so bad after all. So take note 📝 because I see the better in them as we’re not in the young age anymore. P.S I’m only saying so just to let you know that I’m trying to improve Thomas & the fat controller respectfully.
You really misunderstood this video.
Even if thomas fixed the mess quickly (which would be hard when its so big and would take so long) the fat controller would still have every right to be just as angry at him.
Also the fat controller being forgiving when engines make an accident isn't in character. He has been just as angry here over smaller issues that were not the engines fault.
@@railwaysparrow Imagine if TFC went on another angry tirade on Thomas after he said he was sorry.
@@railwaysparrow I thought back to Gordon’s arc in his rws book and it sort of gave me an idea
If you were a real fan then you would understand why Topham was mad at Thomas.