During the civil war 1st Maryland fought the Confederates 1st Maryland Infantry during the Battle of Front Royal. It is the only time in us military history where the 2 units of the same numerical number and from the same state fought each other. Many recognized family members and neighbors after the battle.
That’s actually interesting to me because I was born and am originally from Maryland but I grew up and currently live in Front Royal, VA. That blew my mind.
I served in Ireland and the Irish have no problems killing each other over turf wars, religion, or politics. More Irish killed Irish than the British army during the troubles.
During the Spanish Civil War, in the battle of Guadalajara, italians fought against each other: the Garibaldi battalion fought for the Republic and the Corpo Truppe Volontarie for the Nationalist. "History never repeats itself, but it does often rhyme", as Mark Twain once said
In 1876, British sent an expeditionary force, including a Irish regiment, to fight war with the Qing Chinese. The Irish in the Irish Regiment shockingly found out they were facing a regiment of Irishmen employed by the Qing Dynasty in one encounter!
A lot of Irishmen fighting for the Union in the American Civil War were hoping to take the military skills they learned back to Ireland and fight for freedom there. A little rhyme I came across in a book about the period went something along these lines - "When the battles are done and the war it is won and the Union secured forever, sheath not your sword, brave Irish man, for you still have a Union to sever"
@@tk-6967 pffft, bullshit They were colonized by forcing out the catholic population. The "democratic process" only occurred after they forced everyone who would vote against it out.
The Irish have been fighting for foreign armies for centuries, for example the Irish legion who fought for the French in the Napoleonic war's, The Irish Brigade who fought in the Spanish civil war to name a few, Not to mention all the Irish regiment's past and present in the British army.
Irish fought on the Mexican side against the U.S.A. In the Mexican American war. John Riley led El Battalion De San Patricio and to this day these men are still celebrated as Mexican/Irish Heroes.
Americans depiction of Irish: Aw bejaysus, the irish harp! Those are proud sons of erin. How could we shed the blood of our brothers? Actual Irish: HE'S FROM A NEIGHBOURING COUNTY, BREAK HIS KNEE CAPS!
A fratricidal war is terrible. I am Polish. In the history of my nation, there have been many situations like this. During World War I, Poles fought in the armies of all three partitions (Austria-Hungary, Germany, and Russia) and often fought against each other. In the memories of one of the generals, I read that on Christmas Eve in 1914, during one of the battles, Polish soldiers serving in the Austro-Hungarian Army in the trenches began singing Polish carols. On the Russian side, Polish soldiers started singing the same carol from the opposing trench. Suddenly, someone shouted in Polish, "You there, Poles, surrender!" Next day those men had to fight each others. In the same diary, a bit further, the officer described how one of his soldiers took his own father captive, who had been forcibly conscripted into the Russian army. ~530,000 of my countrymen perished fighting in World War I in the name of foreign interests. It's sad that so many people today do not appreciate that they live in an independent country.
Yeah in a way... But then, it's always struck me why people would fight on behest of some Lord (or whatever upper class a hole aristocrat you might have in your country). I'm not fighting, except in defense (much like Ukraine today), period. Conscientious objectors don't get nearly enough credit.
We squandered the gift the provious generations left us. We became complacent to our self interested governments and put against each other in our own country. People do not appreciate the independence because we do not have one anymore.
Polska na zawsze. Poland has saved Europe many times and we may need to call on them again to stop the current invasion of Europe. They are setting an example all of the other nations should be following.
As an Irishman, this scene always breaks my heart. To flee the tyranny of England and come to a foreign land, only to be forced to kill your own countryman must have been truly awful.
As an American, I am thankful for their service and sacrifice. But I can not imagine the hell of the situation as you describe it. Must have been truly dreadful.
Movie is racist should be banned . How dare anyone show the true horrors our ancestors went through for freedom . Under the guise of “democracy” . Film is an 8% on rotten tomatoes because they dared show the confederacy in any sort of positive light . After all , you are convinced brothers shot brothers and endured CANNON FIRE just to keep the 1% to own their slaves . Yaok gang
@@edwardgilson9891 Yes, the Fenian Raiders were incredibly successful, utterly defeated the Canadians and held the colony hostage in exchange for Irish freedom... oh wait, that's not what happened, was it?
I remember standing in that field before the stone wall as a teenager, and later learning I had a cousin who advanced on that very field in the Union Irish Brigade...the only film where I ever wept in the theatre
I served in the 69th infantry when I was in the New York National Guard. One of the lieutenants, he was a West Pointer; would teach us about the history of our beloved 69th from the civil war and WW1.
This makes you feel a certain type of somber after just having watched 1944. Watching countrymen fight and kill each other over someone else’s wars is truly depressing to hear about.
@@NobleKorhedron yes a movie by that title is largely themed around the impact WW2 had on small Baltic countries and their populations, particularly Estonia. Very sad to see a twin brother watch his brother fall in combat, and even more depressing when you realize this was probably a much more common occurrence than you’d expect. These countries were so small I’m sure some of them even fought skirmishes 5 miles away from their family homes, god knows The odds of this actually happening were much greater considering.
My family came from Scotland to America ( the Carolinas) in the 1700s. One member of the family served in the Revolutionary war. In the 1800s, members of the family moved to Texas & Oklahoma. 10 members of the family served in the Confederate army. Members of the family have served in the US military over the years. I have a great nephew currently serving in the 101'st Airborne. I served in the Army 1969 to 71.
One of many tragic moments in the American Civil War, and one that illustrates the most the “brother vs brother” nature that the war took on “Sir it seems that point is held by Irish troops” “Ok so hear me out”
Except that never happened. Northern Irish never fought Southern Irish and the Harp or Erin was never on any Confederate battle flag. Mainly cause most Irish immigrants settled in the North.
@@jonathanrichwine1996 Look at you! Another researcher who has done some fantastic homework. I love it! However there were almost 40,000 Irish in the confederate army, though not at this particular battle, but definitely Gettysburg. Like the 6th Louisiana volunteers and the Virginia Brigade . There were Texas and Alabama Irish volunteers as well. In fact By 1861, the largest immigrant group in the South was the native Irish Catholics and Scotch-Irish Protestants. There is a fantastic book on the subject called The Irish at Gettysburg. It's a great read if you have Irish heritage, like me :) .
@@bad74maverick1 kind of odd that your estimate of Itish Confederates is twice what other historians estimate. Only my English ancestors were here for the war. My Irish heritage got here after it was over.
@@craighightower4736 historian Paul Burns wrote extensively about Irish Confederates. in fact there are many works that show that around 40,000 served in the Confederacy. Sean O' Brian has written about it as well as Damian Shiels. Historians had originally thought that the estimate was somewhere around 20 thousand but in recent years a lot of detail has come to light on Georgia, Tennessee, Louisiana and even Virginia Brigades and divisions who fought and the current general consensus is closer to the 40k. In fact the 1860 census shows 79 thousand persons in the south of Irish birth And 56 thousand in the border states. Now that includes women and men in the census but still the numbers were there. The real number may never be known, but it is usually commonly agreed that it far exceeded 20k.
No other unit came closer to that famed wall on that fateful day than the men of Ireland who comprised that most green & courageous brigade, the best & fiercest in the Union Army. The Irish Brigade stood their ground heroically, & took appalling casualties in the process. With 30,000 such soldiers formed into 3 divisions fighting in the East the Union could have won that conflict by the Summer of 1862. What a spectacular & gritty recreation.
@@nephite467they didn’t break through. No union line broke through the wall at Fredricksburg. The Irish got close to the wall but they already took heavy losses and needed to fall back
In the Mexican/United States War, Many Irish and German Catholics Changed sides, they preferred to fight for Catholic Mexico instead of the Invading Protestant hordes. They formed the San Patricio Batallion.
@@GarrettCates They just arrived from Europe. New York was closer to Europe. The Chose to defend Catholic Mexico from Theft, Pillage and Invasion. No Treason to speak of.
Very accurate combat if not that there would be so much blackpowder smoke that it was always impossible to actually see the enemy formations once the firefight started, but of course, cinematically that would be impossible to film.
The fighting Irish is not a name that has to do with alcahol - but to the centuries of Irish who fought for all armies across europe and beyond, the most famous Irish regiments of France Spain Portugal Austria- Hungry, Russia, and in German kingdoms, eventually the skill of the Irish soldier in french service encourage the British to develop Irish regiments - at the surrender of the french after waterloo, the english demanded the disbanding of the Irish regiments of the French army such was the reputation of those regiments ending 200 years of existence( due to the success of these regiments the other nations listed copied the french and formed irish bigades and regiments), for that long time those regiments became a career opportunity for Irishmen from a land that held no promise for them, a lot stayed on in France, hennessey brandy is one such family, charles de gualle acensters from county down was another such irishman
Perhaps, but I'd rather face Scottish Highlanders than Veteran Irishmen who had fought everywhere. Ones who actually obtained their freedom mind you.@@bobmasencup5819
Scotland the brave still under English control Ireland a free prosperous republic that had a large influence in how the USA evolved I think history tells a different story don't you😂. Éire agus na staití ainthia go braith🇮🇪🤝🇺🇲
69th NY was incredibily brave, one of the elite regiments in the AOTP. "When anything absurd, forlorn, or desperate was to be attempted, the Irish Brigade was called upon."
General William T. Wofford took over command of the Georgia Brigade after General Cobb was killed at Fredericksburg...my mother's grandmother was second cousin to General Wofford .
As a Dane i have read and heard a lot about The Irish people and your complicated history. I wish you would all stop hurting each other over religion and come together as one great people. I mean you helped build America. If it weren´t for the Irish, it would never have evolved so quickly. Cheers from Denmark
@@asgerhyer5325 They lump all of us "White" people together these days anyway. Dane, Irish, German, Anglo, French, it doesn't matter. We all need to come together as a team or we're going to be wiped out.
@@asgerhyer5325 this particular battle had nothing to do with religion. Irish sectarianism aside, the Irish fighting against each other in the USCW basically just got the luck of the draw of which states they immigrated to and were thrust into the war often times through coercion and impressment.
This movie was so good. The acting was incredible. So underrated. The actor who plays Col. Saint Clair Mulholland (Union Irish Colonel) was so good. He makes you feel what he's feeling. Just watching him in the field, you feel the tragedy of the situation. Brian Mallon was also incredible as Gen. Hancock (Union General on horseback). He was amazing in the first film Gettysburg playing the same character as well.
The battle scenes are all good. If rather lacking in gore that would’ve made them more serious. But it’s all the in between stuff, I don’t mind a lot of the scenes about Jackson and Lee, but I need more about the north. Hancock was always my favorite in these movies, yet he never got enough time.
My dad's side came from Ireland in 1845 and fought for the Union. Even fought in Gettysburg and survived. My mom's side fought for the Confederates and were Welsh. Can't win em all, I suppose 😂
cutting away from the one part that matters, the thunderous cheer from the brave Irish Brigade that charged and fell upon that wall, moved every defender to tears and sombre song.
I cried during this worthless slaughter of so many Union soldiers. Especially when it came to the Irish Brigade fighting their fellow Irish at the stone wall. It churned my stomach when so many sons of Erin died at each other's hands in a land that many of them fled to in search of freedom from the British. 😭🇺🇲🇮🇪 ERIN GU BRACH
@@KMZX_700 My great grandfather was either from County Cork or Kerry. I can't remember off the top of my head, but my grandma knows. He was of the clan Donnahue.
Think of it Many of those Irishman left 🇮🇪Ireland during the hard time of the 🥔potato Famine would've been on the same ships heading to 🇺🇸America For a better life only to kill Each other in a War that made no sense to them. I cried during this scene thinking about it I'm Australian With Irish descent 🇦🇺🇮🇪🍀☘💚
My great grandfather on my moms side was in a NY irish regiment. He fought at Antietam, this battle at Fredericksburg and Gettysburg, after Gettysburg he was pulled from the infantry and placed on ambulance personnel because he got arthritis through his legs from the thousands of miles of walking and couldn't walk very well. He survived the war and unfortunately had to go through getting documentation, letters, and proof from his friends, family and officers he served under that he was in the war just to get his war pension because the government didn't want to give it to him because he was Irish.
This movie could've been amazing if there were more scenes like this and less pontificating about the "noble southern cause." Oh well...I still hope they make The Last Full Measure to complete the trilogy.
@@jackspratt8618 My comment had less to do with the content of the pontificating, and more to do with the fact that it was there at all. The book focused mostly on the battles and the men that fought them. The movie took untold minutes trying to justify the cause instead of just focusing on the battles. I remember a scene in Gettysburg where Kemper starts political rambling and Armistead says "oh lord...the cause" and Longstreet chuckles. One of many that made that movie much better than this one.
I always wondered how thick would a shield have to be to deflect a musket ball. Maybe some kind of mobile wall that the soldiers could push into range? I dunno.
A movie based upon Jeff Shaara's book Gone for Soldier (2000) needs to be produced in Hollywood. I was thinking that the green flag helps to remind me of the San Patricios Battalion.
This is even sadder when you realize a lot of these guys fought long side each other in the young Irelander uprising in 1848 lead by the same commander of the Irish Brigade Thomas Francis Meagher they fought for the union to try and gain better treatment from the north who saw them as nothing more but cheap labor and a nuisance and they fought for the south to try and keep their status and they wouldn’t be like their brothers in north with slaves the Irish were viewed as better than some people but in the north they were viewed as scum
Very few Irishmen fought in the 1848 Cabbage Patch Rebellion. Most of these men would’ve emigrated to escape poverty and agitation in the Irish land wars
I read that one of Lincoln's motivations in allowing black volunteers to fight in the Union army after 1863 was that the Irish immigrants in the north were refusing conscription or volunteering for fear that free blacks in the north would take their jobs.
The Irish were treated as scum in the South as well. Used to clear swamps and do other deadly labor thought too expensive to lose African slaves. They all took spots of wealthier Americans who often paid an Irishman to fight in their place.
@@matthewvalentinas actually they were treated better on the south as they were though to be better than the blacks however in the north they were the bottom of the social ladder
The commander of the 24th Georgia (I believe that’s the Rebel unit depicted), Robert McMillan, said to his troops when he saw the Irish Brigade’s flags, “That’s Meaghr’s brigade, give it to ‘em now boys!” Source: Jared Fredrick (Reel History), in the second episode of his Gods and Generals review.
Such a heartbreaking scene 😢😢😢😢. The commanding officers had to know that hill couldn't be taken why keep sending all those regiments to try and take it? The irish music that started playing really adds to the sadness
During the Napoleonic wars the French had a unit of Irish........the Spanish had one as well.......they ended up facing each other during one of the seiges......I could be wrong but I believe that it was Badjoz
weird story. I went bow hunting in Western Maryland, Indian Springs WMA…. Was just getting my rig out of the back of my truck, and herd this rustling all around me- dark as gtfo, then, ghastly ghostly forms started appearing out of the underbrush, dragging stuff, mumbling miserably mostly. I’m like wtf is going on here? It was the extras from Gods and Generals- they were filming there. Bagged a couple secessionists that day. Stragglers.
The battle scenes in this movie were magnificent, rest of the movie was trash. Also visited Fredericksburg twice last year the whole battle was a tragedy. 14 times they tried charging the wall and failed. Imagine being the commander of the 14th unit to charge knowing it will fail because what are you gonna do different from the 13 other tries? Crazy
There’s a great civil war podcast called” Threads from the national tapestry” that talked about this in an episode. A great podcast for those interested
@Paddy234 All empires are "evil" its the nature of empire - but as far as empires go, the British Empire was perhaps one of the least severe. What many Scots, Irish (Americans etc.) don't know is that the English never conquered Scotland, - they never wanted it even, it was Scotland that led an army into England in 1603 and forcefully united the countries, then the Scottish king and his children (Charles 1) and grandchildren (Charles II and James II) established the British empire! The Scottish protestants also colonised Catholic Ireland and then fought tooth and nail for 300 years to keep it British .
@Paddy234 All true but I really think you are perhaps downplaying the passion and forcefulness which the protestant population put into keeping the union - right up until the 1990's. The Republic of Ireland would end up with a terrorist insurgency problem if it were to unify - they don't want this. I think people in America have been really brainwashed for hundreds of years about how anti-English the Scots/Irish were (are), in both the American revolution and in the War of 1812 for example, American forces entered Canada expecting a brotherly welcome from the numerous Irish and Scottish settlers there, against the "oppressive" English crown .... and the complete opposite happened. In fact, the Americans got severely mauled. Also, the Scottish and Irish gentry participated FULLY in overseas colonial administrations at the highest levels, don't think it was only the soldiers - governors of India, Australia, Canada, NZ - plus so many generals - they were definitely NOT excluded. Celts love a good fight, but also want to be paid for it - there's often little to be gained and much to lose in rebellion, so the English provided the martial outlet and requisite payment. On another level, think of the trust the English had - they armed the Scots and Irish to the teeth! Gave Irishmen (yes Irishmen) control over large sections of the army. They could have turned those guns upon the English at any time - yet they never did.
The Irish didn't give a crap about Independence for the African Americans, they were handed a paycheck and a rifle right off the boats coming from a potato plague land. Some may have given a shit but most just wanted food and security for their families.
It seems the creators of this movie weren’t just revising American history, but Irish as well. Back in Ireland the Irish had no problem killing their fellow Irish. The Protestant Irish had been killing the Catholic Irish for centuries by the time this event took place. No one involved in this conflict was under the delusion that the southern states were fighting for their independence given that the purpose, the preservation of slavery was stated in their declaration of war as the cause for cessation and declaration of war.
It's hilarious hearing that Irish Confederate. Complaining about the Irish Union troops, not learning anything at the hands of the English. Meanwhile his side was being armed and funded by england... lol
Barely. England had no sympathy for the south, ironically for their slavery, despite holding numerous colonies where the native populations were treated like dirt. But if Southern blockade runners were able to bring cotton and other goods, who would the English be to not trade for it? It was much more expensive to harvest Indian cotton, and even so, many blockade runners were turned back by the English. The French had more sympathy for the confederacy than England. They tried to help, but were too busy trying to hold Mexico.
The CSA were never funded by the British that's total BS, they did allow the CSA to purchase rifles -- they also allowed the USA to purchase weapons. Altogether, Britain sent over 900,000 Enfield rifles and rifled muskets to America during the Civil War, not to mention accoutrements, bayonets, and ammunition, most of it was purchased by the Union. So according to your logic, the Irish should have had a problem fighting for the Union too. The Enfield was a more accurate weapon than the US made Springfield - so it was desired by both sides, and the British were quite OK with providing weapons to Americans so they could wipe each other out, and they could make a handsome profit too - a win-win situation for them. Had Britain really thrown its weight behind the CSA, the CSA would have won - without doubt. For years the Civil War was such a close fought thing, that the British could have pushed either side to a quick victory. A CSA victory would have been useful for the British, but public sympathy in the UK was with the Union and its abolitionist policy. Also - another fun fact for you - 40% of the "British" army in the 1860's was recruited in Ireland -
I wrote a paper on the Irish Brigade in college and let’s just say the Union Army treated them like cannon fodder most of the time. They suffered over 4000 casualties and if not for their leader Brigadier General Thomas Meagher it could have been much worse. They left home and the tyranny of the English crown, only to be mistreated and used as pawns in a war they had no stake in. Meaghers story alone is very interesting. He was a failed leader of the 1848 rebellion for Irish Independence and escaped a conviction to Australia. He was a true patriot for his people & should be remembered as such.
I don’t understand how fighting for the confederate will get them independence, I mean isn’t fighting for the union is better? With how the CSA have a somewhat relationships with British( even if it’s just trading partners for weapons)
Many people dislike the two movies - this in particular - but politics or whatever aside, i think it's the sort of "pre-CGI-ish" experience that only a huge bunch of reenactors could provide, and there's a lot of merit on that.
As long as you ignore the horrible Lost Cause revisionism that it's dripping with, the action in it is somewhat decent. Myself, I can't watch it because the whole "noble Confederate cause" bullshit the movie is pushing just pisses me off to no end.
@@DariusOfPersia Darius. Many Confederates were noble fellows who fought with honour, as were many in the Union armies. Few, if any, rank and file Confederates owned slaves. They were fighting for their states. The divisive modern identity politics can not be imported and imposed on people and times to which it did not apply.
@@PaIaeoCIive1684 I'm not imposing identity politics onto anything. There was nothing noble about the Confederacy or its cause. Every Confederate soldier was fighting to defend slavery, even if they didn't own slaves themselves. They said as much in their own words. Their entire rebellion and "country" was built on slavery. Movies like this are the reason people still believe the Lost Cause bullshit that the South was just fighting for freedom and their states' rights.
During the war generals on both were cautious of having Irish units face each other as some of their commanders Thomas Meagher had fought along side each other in the Young Ireland movement.
It's a good story and a fun myth but nothing like this ever happened. The 24th Georgia was 'Irish' enough to recognize Meagher's unit as being Irish and shot them down without compunction. The regimental commander of the 24th Geo, Robert McMillan, made a comment about Meagher's Irishmen and then opened up on them with mostly buck and ball from .69 Springfields.
@@santepaulusthat makes no sense. The south was predominantly protestant and settled by Ulster scots and English royalists ,most of whom were protestant and anti catholic.
In the 19th century, 40% of the British army was recruited in Ireland. The Scottish allied against England - the Irish, not really, they were far too busy fighting amongst themselves.
I know armies always had (and still have) no lack of criminally stupid officers, but having a shoot out with an enemy hiding behind stone parapet while your own men are standing in a line in the open field is really demented. Did such encounter as this really happened or is it just imagination of that lost cause propagandist Ronald Maxwell?
If people really want to know, Google "The Fictional Confederate Irish Brigade at Fredericksburg" to read the essay by Ryan Quint on this topic - basically, a lot of this particular scene was either embellishment or just made up for the film to increase the drama, sorry folks. The stone wall at Fredericksburg & its place in the larger battle isn't fiction, though.
Yes, it did happen and the Union Army had a chance to occupy Marye's Heights first. They arrived on the south side of the Rappahannock river BEFORE the Confederates arrived but the army engineers and the pontoon bridge building supplies that was supposed to be waiting hadn't arrived yet. So the army just sat there across the river from Fredericksburg waiting for the supplies to arrive. A few days later, Col. Hancock spotted a small herd of cattle walking across the ice a little bit downriver from the army and, where they broke through, they only went down a couple of feet. He went to his superior officer with the idea of having the army walk across where the cattle did and then, they both went to General Burnside. But Burnside could not conceive of altering his plan in any way and insisted on waiting for the pontoon boats. While they waited the Confederates arrived and, after evacuating the town, began digging in on the other side of Fredericksburg. When the engineers finally arrived, they were forced to construct the bridges under fire from Mississippi sharpshooters in the warehouses lining the river.
Trying to load a muzzle-loader while lying on the ground... Not impossible but difficult and it took time. Breech-loaders were already coming into use in European armies and increasingly were used in the American Civil War, especially by cavalry. And they could easily be loaded and fired by troops in prone position.
@@TheIrishvolunteer trust me there is plenty of accurate history in this film, maybe the slavery or Irish parts of this story aren’t accurate but overall it’s a pretty accurate telling of how Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson would have saw the war. You don’t have to like them, you can agree or disagree but this is how they would have seen things.
@@ardshielcomplex8917 at that time the Constitution was very straightforward as to whether secession was legal or not. It was only post Civil War that the Supreme Court Texas V White case made secession illegal
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During the civil war 1st Maryland fought the Confederates 1st Maryland Infantry during the Battle of Front Royal. It is the only time in us military history where the 2 units of the same numerical number and from the same state fought each other. Many recognized family members and neighbors after the battle.
I remember reading about this somewhere
That’s actually interesting to me because I was born and am originally from Maryland but I grew up and currently live in Front Royal, VA. That blew my mind.
I'm from Maryland knew this it's important to know your peoples history
@@alltimelow2345 : I think it was in an edition of the old Civil War magazine from back in the '90s.
And that is the tragedy of a civil war. It's literally family and friends vs family and friends.
"This is not right! They're our brothers!"
"They're all from Dublin".
"Oh, alright then".
@michaelcollins6616 Dublin's not even Irish anymore
@michaelcollins6616 have you ever been to Cork "Mr.Collins".....
It's a long way to Tipperary
I served in Ireland and the Irish have no problems killing each other over turf wars, religion, or politics.
More Irish killed Irish than the British army during the troubles.
@@michaeldoolan7595 oh that's a lie and you know it.
During the Spanish Civil War, in the battle of Guadalajara, italians fought against each other: the Garibaldi battalion fought for the Republic and the Corpo Truppe Volontarie for the Nationalist. "History never repeats itself, but it does often rhyme", as Mark Twain once said
as an italian i never knew it.
the Corpo Truppe Volontarie were the good guys
@@gryphgaming1887 Nationalists are always the good guys.
@@Assdafflabaff Yeah nazis cunts tend to like them. The rest of the world... not so much...
@@gryphgaming1887 No. They were fascist c*nts. Filth.
Corn was grown in that field and sent to Ireland during the potato famine. Many of the Irish boys died in the very field that had saved their lives.
Thats a full load
Ironic
Do you have any sources or additional literature about this? Would love to learn more about this!
@@kevinbadon5654 I just remember it from the movie. Went to see because my brother was an extra in it.
The cost of freedom
In 1876, British sent an expeditionary force, including a Irish regiment, to fight war with the Qing Chinese. The Irish in the Irish Regiment shockingly found out they were facing a regiment of Irishmen employed by the Qing Dynasty in one encounter!
Sounds very interesting. Do you have a source or link so I can read more?
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Source?? Seems cool to read about
There probably no source just more lie people like to tell about us British
@@hibernii he might be talking bout the Battle of Amoy, but that wasn’t in the 1870s nor did it have Irish on the Qing side
A lot of Irishmen fighting for the Union in the American Civil War were hoping to take the military skills they learned back to Ireland and fight for freedom there. A little rhyme I came across in a book about the period went something along these lines -
"When the battles are done and the war it is won and the Union secured forever,
sheath not your sword, brave Irish man, for you still have a Union to sever"
Thats actually amazing, poignant and beautiful. Sombering and really adds to this scene. Thank you for sharing
Yet still northern Ireland is owned by UK smh pray for my brothers in northern Ireland
How did it work out for them? I know a bunch of Fenians tried to invade Canada after the US Civil War...and now you have Canada.
@@aprilmorgan8133 Because those counties chose to remain in the UK by democratic process.
@@tk-6967 pffft, bullshit
They were colonized by forcing out the catholic population. The "democratic process" only occurred after they forced everyone who would vote against it out.
The Irish have been fighting for foreign armies for centuries, for example the Irish legion who fought for the French in the Napoleonic war's,
The Irish Brigade who fought in the Spanish civil war to name a few,
Not to mention all the Irish regiment's past and present in the British army.
An Irishman will sing at the drop of a hat, ask him to tell the truth, and he won't.
@@LaurenceOConnor-fg4dk "The Irish move to the sound of the guns like Salmon to the sea" Kipling
@@grogscol
Indeed.
Irish fought on the Mexican side against the U.S.A. In the Mexican American war. John Riley led El Battalion De San Patricio and to this day these men are still celebrated as Mexican/Irish Heroes.
@@colonelalejandrovargas7605 monument to John Reily in Clifden, County Galway.
Americans depiction of Irish: Aw bejaysus, the irish harp! Those are proud sons of erin. How could we shed the blood of our brothers?
Actual Irish: HE'S FROM A NEIGHBOURING COUNTY, BREAK HIS KNEE CAPS!
Just breaking knee caps?
Someone was feeling merciful that day
LMAO so true even for American Irish stupid Hollywood
Lovely hurling.
A fratricidal war is terrible.
I am Polish. In the history of my nation, there have been many situations like this. During World War I, Poles fought in the armies of all three partitions (Austria-Hungary, Germany, and Russia) and often fought against each other.
In the memories of one of the generals, I read that on Christmas Eve in 1914, during one of the battles, Polish soldiers serving in the Austro-Hungarian Army in the trenches began singing Polish carols. On the Russian side, Polish soldiers started singing the same carol from the opposing trench. Suddenly, someone shouted in Polish, "You there, Poles, surrender!"
Next day those men had to fight each others.
In the same diary, a bit further, the officer described how one of his soldiers took his own father captive, who had been forcibly conscripted into the Russian army.
~530,000 of my countrymen perished fighting in World War I in the name of foreign interests.
It's sad that so many people today do not appreciate that they live in an independent country.
Yeah in a way... But then, it's always struck me why people would fight on behest of some Lord (or whatever upper class a hole aristocrat you might have in your country). I'm not fighting, except in defense (much like Ukraine today), period. Conscientious objectors don't get nearly enough credit.
@@mysterioanonymous3206because they were all trying to fight for a free Poland or so promised
We squandered the gift the provious generations left us. We became complacent to our self interested governments and put against each other in our own country. People do not appreciate the independence because we do not have one anymore.
*war is terrible
Polska na zawsze. Poland has saved Europe many times and we may need to call on them again to stop the current invasion of Europe. They are setting an example all of the other nations should be following.
As an Irishman, this scene always breaks my heart. To flee the tyranny of England and come to a foreign land, only to be forced to kill your own countryman must have been truly awful.
Have you heard the song " Kelly's Irish brigade" ...chokes me up
Most fighting for the south didn’t own slaves numnuts
I mean it never happened so that’s good. There was no Confederate Irish brigade at Fredricksburg
As an American, I am thankful for their service and sacrifice. But I can not imagine the hell of the situation as you describe it. Must have been truly dreadful.
Movie is racist should be banned . How dare anyone show the true horrors our ancestors went through for freedom . Under the guise of “democracy” . Film is an 8% on rotten tomatoes because they dared show the confederacy in any sort of positive light . After all , you are convinced brothers shot brothers and endured CANNON FIRE just to keep the 1% to own their slaves .
Yaok gang
The Uilleann Pipes made this way more emotional than I was expecting.
Wish there was a movie about the Fenian Raids into Canada. One of the most interesting things I learned about history.
Battle of ridgeway would be amazing to see on screen
Fenian raids are such a bizarre and interesting conflict
They got their asses kicked is all i know
@@laurbster2680 Yep, the Queens Own Rifles met real soldiers and didn't fare well.
@@edwardgilson9891 Yes, the Fenian Raiders were incredibly successful, utterly defeated the Canadians and held the colony hostage in exchange for Irish freedom... oh wait, that's not what happened, was it?
As an Irishman I can relate to this tragic episode..thanks for sharing this with us all...cheers ,sir..E...
You fought in the American civil war?
@@ClawsoftheLion...pogue mahone...
I remember standing in that field before the stone wall as a teenager, and later learning I had a cousin who advanced on that very field in the Union Irish Brigade...the only film where I ever wept in the theatre
Aye! I know what you mean, brüder!
I served in the 69th infantry when I was in the New York National Guard. One of the lieutenants, he was a West Pointer; would teach us about the history of our beloved 69th from the civil war and WW1.
This makes you feel a certain type of somber after just having watched 1944. Watching countrymen fight and kill each other over someone else’s wars is truly depressing to hear about.
1944...?
@@NobleKorhedron yes a movie by that title is largely themed around the impact WW2 had on small Baltic countries and their populations, particularly Estonia. Very sad to see a twin brother watch his brother fall in combat, and even more depressing when you realize this was probably a much more common occurrence than you’d expect. These countries were so small I’m sure some of them even fought skirmishes 5 miles away from their family homes, god knows The odds of this actually happening were much greater considering.
Almost ALL wars are at someone else's convienance pitting brothers vs one anothrr
@@NobleKorhedronmovie about Estonians in the Waffen SS fighting against Estonians in the Red Army
Awesome scene.....truly captures the pain the Confederate commander felt when he breaks down in tears during the fighting.
My family came from Scotland to America ( the Carolinas) in the 1700s. One member of the family served in the Revolutionary war. In the 1800s, members of the family moved to Texas & Oklahoma. 10 members of the family served in the Confederate army.
Members of the family have served in the US military over the years.
I have a great nephew currently serving in the 101'st Airborne.
I served in the Army 1969 to 71.
Vietnam or Germany?
Love hearing that Union Irish commander. Legit sounds like he could commentate a boxing match.
Who is he?
@@The5thBoyWonder the guy at union side shouting commands.
One of many tragic moments in the American Civil War, and one that illustrates the most the “brother vs brother” nature that the war took on
“Sir it seems that point is held by Irish troops”
“Ok so hear me out”
Except that never happened. Northern Irish never fought Southern Irish and the Harp or Erin was never on any Confederate battle flag. Mainly cause most Irish immigrants settled in the North.
@@jonathanrichwine1996 Look at you! Another researcher who has done some fantastic homework. I love it! However there were almost 40,000 Irish in the confederate army, though not at this particular battle, but definitely Gettysburg. Like the 6th Louisiana volunteers and the Virginia Brigade . There were Texas and Alabama Irish volunteers as well. In fact By 1861, the largest immigrant group in the South was the native Irish Catholics and Scotch-Irish Protestants. There is a fantastic book on the subject called The Irish at Gettysburg. It's a great read if you have Irish heritage, like me :) .
@@jonathanrichwine1996
@@bad74maverick1 kind of odd that your estimate of Itish Confederates is twice what other historians estimate. Only my English ancestors were here for the war. My Irish heritage got here after it was over.
@@craighightower4736 historian Paul Burns wrote extensively about Irish Confederates. in fact there are many works that show that around 40,000 served in the Confederacy. Sean O' Brian has written about it as well as Damian Shiels. Historians had originally thought that the estimate was somewhere around 20 thousand but in recent years a lot of detail has come to light on Georgia, Tennessee, Louisiana and even Virginia Brigades and divisions who fought and the current general consensus is closer to the 40k. In fact the 1860 census shows 79 thousand persons in the south of Irish birth And 56 thousand in the border states. Now that includes women and men in the census but still the numbers were there. The real number may never be known, but it is usually commonly agreed that it far exceeded 20k.
No other unit came closer to that famed wall on that fateful day than the men of Ireland who comprised that most green & courageous brigade, the best & fiercest in the Union Army. The Irish Brigade stood their ground heroically, & took appalling casualties in the process. With 30,000 such soldiers formed into 3 divisions fighting in the East the Union could have won that conflict by the Summer of 1862. What a spectacular & gritty recreation.
actually Meade broke through
@@nephite467they didn’t break through. No union line broke through the wall at Fredricksburg. The Irish got close to the wall but they already took heavy losses and needed to fall back
@@__mindflayer__not true Meade broke through at the swamp
@@nephite467 They never got THROUGH they got close to the wall by a few yards. But didn’t get THROUGH. No brigade did.
@@__mindflayer__the swamp was left undefended if Meade had been supported the whole battle is diffrent
In the Mexican/United States War, Many Irish and German Catholics Changed sides, they preferred to fight for Catholic Mexico instead of the Invading Protestant hordes. They formed the San Patricio Batallion.
Que vivan los valientes San Patricios
Man they were some idiots then
And they were all hanged for treason.
@@GarrettCates They just arrived from Europe. New York was closer to Europe. The Chose to defend Catholic Mexico from Theft, Pillage and Invasion. No Treason to speak of.
QUE VIVA EL BATALLION DE SAN PATRICIO Y JOHN RILEY 🇮🇪🇲🇽
Very accurate combat if not that there would be so much blackpowder smoke that it was always impossible to actually see the enemy formations once the firefight started, but of course, cinematically that would be impossible to film.
Fog of war
Those mournful bagpipes get me every time they hit
The fighting Irish is not a name that has to do with alcahol - but to the centuries of Irish who fought for all armies across europe and beyond, the most famous Irish regiments of France Spain Portugal Austria- Hungry, Russia, and in German kingdoms, eventually the skill of the Irish soldier in french service encourage the British to develop Irish regiments - at the surrender of the french after waterloo, the english demanded the disbanding of the Irish regiments of the French army such was the reputation of those regiments ending 200 years of existence( due to the success of these regiments the other nations listed copied the french and formed irish bigades and regiments), for that long time those regiments became a career opportunity for Irishmen from a land that held no promise for them, a lot stayed on in France, hennessey brandy is one such family, charles de gualle acensters from county down was another such irishman
They just don't match the ferocity of the Scottish Highlanders.
@@bobmasencup5819 they are both Gaelic people, essentially the same, even their languages have a common root.
Perhaps, but I'd rather face Scottish Highlanders than Veteran Irishmen who had fought everywhere. Ones who actually obtained their freedom mind you.@@bobmasencup5819
@@bobmasencup5819scotland, named after the irish tribe scotti.... go back far enough we're one in the same
Scotland the brave still under English control Ireland a free prosperous republic that had a large influence in how the USA evolved I think history tells a different story don't you😂.
Éire agus na staití ainthia go braith🇮🇪🤝🇺🇲
A very poweful, and moving feature, I'm in tears.
Take care, and all the best.
69th NY was incredibily brave, one of the elite regiments in the AOTP. "When anything absurd, forlorn, or desperate was to be attempted, the Irish Brigade was called upon."
General William T. Wofford took over command of the Georgia Brigade after General Cobb was killed at Fredericksburg...my mother's grandmother was second cousin to General Wofford .
I watched all 4 hours of God and generals, it very long but I love it watch every minutes, pls more clip battle of bull run, battle of athiem and etc
"Canons cost money. Use up the Irish. The dead cost nothing"
3:37
Women: I can’t believe he didn’t cry during Titanic. Do men even have feelings?
Me: *crying like a baby seeing Irishmen killing fellow Irishmen*
Absolutely heartbreaking but fills me with pride for the brave Irish on both sides.
As a Dane i have read and heard a lot about The Irish people and your complicated history. I wish you would all stop hurting each other over religion and come together as one great people. I mean you helped build America. If it weren´t for the Irish, it would never have evolved so quickly. Cheers from Denmark
@@asgerhyer5325 They lump all of us "White" people together these days anyway. Dane, Irish, German, Anglo, French, it doesn't matter. We all need to come together as a team or we're going to be wiped out.
@@asgerhyer5325 this particular battle had nothing to do with religion. Irish sectarianism aside, the Irish fighting against each other in the USCW basically just got the luck of the draw of which states they immigrated to and were thrust into the war often times through coercion and impressment.
How could you be proud of that slaver scum?
@@asgerhyer5325 lol yeah good luck with that.
This movie was so good. The acting was incredible. So underrated. The actor who plays Col. Saint Clair Mulholland (Union Irish Colonel) was so good. He makes you feel what he's feeling. Just watching him in the field, you feel the tragedy of the situation. Brian Mallon was also incredible as Gen. Hancock (Union General on horseback). He was amazing in the first film Gettysburg playing the same character as well.
I understand why people don’t like this movie, but the Fredericksburg sequence is still pretty good.
The battle scenes are all good. If rather lacking in gore that would’ve made them more serious.
But it’s all the in between stuff, I don’t mind a lot of the scenes about Jackson and Lee, but I need more about the north. Hancock was always my favorite in these movies, yet he never got enough time.
I loved this movie. I don’t care what the reviews say
Confederate propaganda, may the south never rise again
As an Irish American whose family has lived here for over a century, this hit me so hard dude.
My dad's side came from Ireland in 1845 and fought for the Union. Even fought in Gettysburg and survived. My mom's side fought for the Confederates and were Welsh. Can't win em all, I suppose 😂
Nothing wrong with the Welsh
cutting away from the one part that matters, the thunderous cheer from the brave Irish Brigade that charged and fell upon that wall, moved every defender to tears and sombre song.
That Mulholland guy really stole the show in this movie !
I cried during this worthless slaughter of so many Union soldiers. Especially when it came to the Irish Brigade fighting their fellow Irish at the stone wall. It churned my stomach when so many sons of Erin died at each other's hands in a land that many of them fled to in search of freedom from the British. 😭🇺🇲🇮🇪 ERIN GU BRACH
You Irish yourself?
@@KMZX_700 American of Irish heritage
@@kyledunn6853 Same here brother. My Dad was from Dublin. Can't say the same for my Mum.
@@KMZX_700
My great grandfather was either from County Cork or Kerry. I can't remember off the top of my head, but my grandma knows. He was of the clan Donnahue.
@@kyledunn6853 i'm irish and live in ireland have any of you lads ever visited ?
"Do your duty!". Did Mulholland see who they were advancing against?
It’s a shame this film didn’t put in a scene with the angel of Maryes Heights.
IRISH COMMANDER WOW, WHAT AN ACOTR!!!!!
Think of it Many of those Irishman left 🇮🇪Ireland during the hard time of the 🥔potato Famine would've been on the same ships heading to 🇺🇸America For a better life only to kill Each other in a War that made no sense to them.
I cried during this scene thinking about it I'm Australian With Irish descent
🇦🇺🇮🇪🍀☘💚
Agree
Well it’s okay because it never actually happened
@@hollohullu9448What never happened?
@@hiberniithe holocaust
I'm Irish and this is heartbreaking to watch 😢😢😢
My great grandfather on my moms side was in a NY irish regiment. He fought at Antietam, this battle at Fredericksburg and Gettysburg, after Gettysburg he was pulled from the infantry and placed on ambulance personnel because he got arthritis through his legs from the thousands of miles of walking and couldn't walk very well. He survived the war and unfortunately had to go through getting documentation, letters, and proof from his friends, family and officers he served under that he was in the war just to get his war pension because the government didn't want to give it to him because he was Irish.
This is always one of my favorite movies to watch during the holidays.
Why would you want to waste your holidays watching Lost Cause propaganda?
@@Pikkabuu I’d rather watch this than stupid meaningless pointless political news FOX and CNN news both which are more propaganda than this 😂
@@Pikkabuuby the way I’m not glorifying or dehumanizing either side of the Civil War
This movie could've been amazing if there were more scenes like this and less pontificating about the "noble southern cause." Oh well...I still hope they make The Last Full Measure to complete the trilogy.
Yeah it’s utterly southern propaganda in that regard, still decent action
As opposed to literally choirs of angels in other civ war movies from the Federal perspective.
@@jackspratt8618 My comment had less to do with the content of the pontificating, and more to do with the fact that it was there at all. The book focused mostly on the battles and the men that fought them. The movie took untold minutes trying to justify the cause instead of just focusing on the battles.
I remember a scene in Gettysburg where Kemper starts political rambling and Armistead says "oh lord...the cause" and Longstreet chuckles. One of many that made that movie much better than this one.
It's been a long time Hollywood gone too woke to make any ACW war movies
Grant and Sherman going hard in the south would be great to see on the big screen.
I always wondered how thick would a shield have to be to deflect a musket ball. Maybe some kind of mobile wall that the soldiers could push into range? I dunno.
Damn one of those men could have been Conan O’Briens great great grandfather 😮😮
Jordan Schlansky's great grandfather was in the amputation tent with an ornate 19th century espresso maker.
My family made it to San Francisco from Cork during the famine (genocide). This scene tore me apart.
Brave men who fought in the name of their new country. Tragic to see Irish fighting Irish.😢😢😢😢
A movie based upon Jeff Shaara's book Gone for Soldier (2000) needs to be produced in Hollywood. I was thinking that the green flag helps to remind me of the San Patricios Battalion.
This is even sadder when you realize a lot of these guys fought long side each other in the young Irelander uprising in 1848 lead by the same commander of the Irish Brigade Thomas Francis Meagher they fought for the union to try and gain better treatment from the north who saw them as nothing more but cheap labor and a nuisance and they fought for the south to try and keep their status and they wouldn’t be like their brothers in north with slaves the Irish were viewed as better than some people but in the north they were viewed as scum
Very few Irishmen fought in the 1848 Cabbage Patch Rebellion. Most of these men would’ve emigrated to escape poverty and agitation in the Irish land wars
I read that one of Lincoln's motivations in allowing black volunteers to fight in the Union army after 1863 was that the Irish immigrants in the north were refusing conscription or volunteering for fear that free blacks in the north would take their jobs.
The Irish were treated as scum in the South as well. Used to clear swamps and do other deadly labor thought too expensive to lose African slaves. They all took spots of wealthier Americans who often paid an Irishman to fight in their place.
@@matthewvalentinas actually they were treated better on the south as they were though to be better than the blacks however in the north they were the bottom of the social ladder
Also Irish men everywhere did dangerous labor there were many coal mines in Ireland
The commander of the 24th Georgia (I believe that’s the Rebel unit depicted), Robert McMillan, said to his troops when he saw the Irish Brigade’s flags, “That’s Meaghr’s brigade, give it to ‘em now boys!”
Source: Jared Fredrick (Reel History), in the second episode of his Gods and Generals review.
"Did they learn nothing from the English?" Ehh, lads, they're not the ones fighting to preserve slavery.
yeah they are the ones who wanted to return the slaves to their homeland
Such a heartbreaking scene 😢😢😢😢. The commanding officers had to know that hill couldn't be taken why keep sending all those regiments to try and take it? The irish music that started playing really adds to the sadness
GARRY OWEN. ERIN GO BRAGH 🇮🇪
During the Napoleonic wars the French had a unit of Irish........the Spanish had one as well.......they ended up facing each other during one of the seiges......I could be wrong but I believe that it was Badjoz
Cleburne.....top..notch.
This scene gives me goosebumps God save the south
Man all I see in this comment section are paragraph after paragraph…
I had several kinfolks in Co.D of the 24th Georgia Infantry.
weird story. I went bow hunting in Western Maryland, Indian Springs WMA…. Was just getting my rig out of the back of my truck, and herd this rustling all around me- dark as gtfo, then, ghastly ghostly forms started appearing out of the underbrush, dragging stuff, mumbling miserably mostly. I’m like wtf is going on here?
It was the extras from Gods and Generals- they were filming there. Bagged a couple secessionists that day. Stragglers.
Remember guys : the wall, any kind of wall, is your friend !
The battle scenes in this movie were magnificent, rest of the movie was trash. Also visited Fredericksburg twice last year the whole battle was a tragedy. 14 times they tried charging the wall and failed. Imagine being the commander of the 14th unit to charge knowing it will fail because what are you gonna do different from the 13 other tries? Crazy
I cry every time
Irish had it worse than any slave.
" The people hold the true power, have we forgotten?"
long live confederates
There’s a great civil war podcast called” Threads from the national tapestry” that talked about this in an episode. A great podcast for those interested
This is really the only part worth watching in an otherwise terrible movie. Great scene, horrendous movie
I cried when i first saw this scene.
Funny that the CSA Irish soldiers are fighting for the side that was supplied by England.
In the 1860's 40% of the "British" army was recruited in Ireland, about 25% from Scotland, 25% from England and 10% from Wales.
@Paddy234 All empires are "evil" its the nature of empire - but as far as empires go, the British Empire was perhaps one of the least severe. What many Scots, Irish (Americans etc.) don't know is that the English never conquered Scotland, - they never wanted it even, it was Scotland that led an army into England in 1603 and forcefully united the countries, then the Scottish king and his children (Charles 1) and grandchildren (Charles II and James II) established the British empire! The Scottish protestants also colonised Catholic Ireland and then fought tooth and nail for 300 years to keep it British .
@Paddy234 All true but I really think you are perhaps downplaying the passion and forcefulness which the protestant population put into keeping the union - right up until the 1990's. The Republic of Ireland would end up with a terrorist insurgency problem if it were to unify - they don't want this. I think people in America have been really brainwashed for hundreds of years about how anti-English the Scots/Irish were (are), in both the American revolution and in the War of 1812 for example, American forces entered Canada expecting a brotherly welcome from the numerous Irish and Scottish settlers there, against the "oppressive" English crown .... and the complete opposite happened. In fact, the Americans got severely mauled. Also, the Scottish and Irish gentry participated FULLY in overseas colonial administrations at the highest levels, don't think it was only the soldiers - governors of India, Australia, Canada, NZ - plus so many generals - they were definitely NOT excluded. Celts love a good fight, but also want to be paid for it - there's often little to be gained and much to lose in rebellion, so the English provided the martial outlet and requisite payment. On another level, think of the trust the English had - they armed the Scots and Irish to the teeth! Gave Irishmen (yes Irishmen) control over large sections of the army. They could have turned those guns upon the English at any time - yet they never did.
The cheers and tears of the Confederate Irish make this scene even more poignant.
Kellys Confederate Irish brigade were some of the bravest men in the war in Missouri , a great song about them " kellys Irish brigade"
No self-respecting Irishman would be in the south and yes, I'm a union man and I have Irish ancestry
@@mikepenny8940 then you need to study more about your ancestry.....and basic history...
I'm not convinced, this looks more like a reenactment than a real battle. It's too clean.
POWERFUL scene!!!
"Don't they know we are fighting for our independence?"
Ah you see they are fighting for everyones independence.
The Irish didn't give a crap about Independence for the African Americans, they were handed a paycheck and a rifle right off the boats coming from a potato plague land. Some may have given a shit but most just wanted food and security for their families.
Most impactful scene in the movie
It was always the Irish that went in first 😢🇮🇪
what this is missing of course is that almost all the irish there would have been speaking Irish Gaelic
maith an fhear
Depends which parts of Ireland. The language was losing a lot of speakers, and even in that time most of Munster was speaking English
It feels like no matter how many of our sons and daughters die for other peoples wars and causes we will never be left alone
During the Mexican war, many Irish switched sides. The San Patricio Brigade is still honored in Mexico.
It seems the creators of this movie weren’t just revising American history, but Irish as well. Back in Ireland the Irish had no problem killing their fellow Irish. The Protestant Irish had been killing the Catholic Irish for centuries by the time this event took place. No one involved in this conflict was under the delusion that the southern states were fighting for their independence given that the purpose, the preservation of slavery was stated in their declaration of war as the cause for cessation and declaration of war.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A PROTESTANT IRISH!!! THOSE ARE DELUSIONAL ENGLISHMAN!!!
Your "Highlights For Children" concept of history is quite amusing.
@@carltonreese4854 your comment doesn’t make any sense. Try not sniffing glue before commenting and see if that helps.
No more brother wars.
It's hilarious hearing that Irish Confederate. Complaining about the Irish Union troops, not learning anything at the hands of the English. Meanwhile his side was being armed and funded by england... lol
Barely. England had no sympathy for the south, ironically for their slavery, despite holding numerous colonies where the native populations were treated like dirt. But if Southern blockade runners were able to bring cotton and other goods, who would the English be to not trade for it? It was much more expensive to harvest Indian cotton, and even so, many blockade runners were turned back by the English. The French had more sympathy for the confederacy than England. They tried to help, but were too busy trying to hold Mexico.
The CSA were never funded by the British that's total BS, they did allow the CSA to purchase rifles -- they also allowed the USA to purchase weapons. Altogether, Britain sent over 900,000 Enfield rifles and rifled muskets to America during the Civil War, not to mention accoutrements, bayonets, and ammunition, most of it was purchased by the Union. So according to your logic, the Irish should have had a problem fighting for the Union too. The Enfield was a more accurate weapon than the US made Springfield - so it was desired by both sides, and the British were quite OK with providing weapons to Americans so they could wipe each other out, and they could make a handsome profit too - a win-win situation for them. Had Britain really thrown its weight behind the CSA, the CSA would have won - without doubt. For years the Civil War was such a close fought thing, that the British could have pushed either side to a quick victory. A CSA victory would have been useful for the British, but public sympathy in the UK was with the Union and its abolitionist policy. Also - another fun fact for you - 40% of the "British" army in the 1860's was recruited in Ireland -
That’s not accurate at all the south got very little from England
I wrote a paper on the Irish Brigade in college and let’s just say the Union Army treated them like cannon fodder most of the time. They suffered over 4000 casualties and if not for their leader Brigadier General Thomas Meagher it could have been much worse. They left home and the tyranny of the English crown, only to be mistreated and used as pawns in a war they had no stake in. Meaghers story alone is very interesting. He was a failed leader of the 1848 rebellion for Irish Independence and escaped a conviction to Australia. He was a true patriot for his people & should be remembered as such.
I don’t understand how fighting for the confederate will get them independence, I mean isn’t fighting for the union is better? With how the CSA have a somewhat relationships with British( even if it’s just trading partners for weapons)
North treated Catholics bad, and most Irish were Catholics.
It will get them independence from the Union, so the CSA would be an independent state. How is this so hard to understand?
The Union didn’t treat the Irish that well
Many people dislike the two movies - this in particular - but politics or whatever aside, i think it's the sort of "pre-CGI-ish" experience that only a huge bunch of reenactors could provide, and there's a lot of merit on that.
i love this movie it was a good one
As long as you ignore the horrible Lost Cause revisionism that it's dripping with, the action in it is somewhat decent. Myself, I can't watch it because the whole "noble Confederate cause" bullshit the movie is pushing just pisses me off to no end.
@@DariusOfPersia Darius. Many Confederates were noble fellows who fought with honour, as were many in the Union armies. Few, if any, rank and file Confederates owned slaves. They were fighting for their states. The divisive modern identity politics can not be imported and imposed on people and times to which it did not apply.
@@PaIaeoCIive1684 I'm not imposing identity politics onto anything. There was nothing noble about the Confederacy or its cause. Every Confederate soldier was fighting to defend slavery, even if they didn't own slaves themselves. They said as much in their own words. Their entire rebellion and "country" was built on slavery. Movies like this are the reason people still believe the Lost Cause bullshit that the South was just fighting for freedom and their states' rights.
This movie was ass
@@PaIaeoCIive1684no they were fighting for slavery because they thought that freeing the slave would lead to servile insurrection.
During the war generals on both were cautious of having Irish units face each other as some of their commanders Thomas Meagher had fought along side each other in the Young Ireland movement.
It's a good story and a fun myth but nothing like this ever happened. The 24th Georgia was 'Irish' enough to recognize Meagher's unit as being Irish and shot them down without compunction. The regimental commander of the 24th Geo, Robert McMillan, made a comment about Meagher's Irishmen and then opened up on them with mostly buck and ball from .69 Springfields.
Irish has historically always allied against England since medieval times, but with the confederacy???
North treated Catholics badly, and most of Irish were Catholics.
@@santepaulusthat makes no sense.
The south was predominantly protestant and settled by Ulster scots and English royalists ,most of whom were protestant and anti catholic.
In the 19th century, 40% of the British army was recruited in Ireland. The Scottish allied against England - the Irish, not really, they were far too busy fighting amongst themselves.
I feel like loading on the move would have been a good skill to have.
Christian vs Christian 😢
so...most western wars?
I just want to salute and pay my respects to Captain John Riley.
I know armies always had (and still have) no lack of criminally stupid officers, but having a shoot out with an enemy hiding behind stone parapet while your own men are standing in a line in the open field is really demented. Did such encounter as this really happened or is it just imagination of that lost cause propagandist Ronald Maxwell?
If people really want to know, Google "The Fictional Confederate Irish Brigade at Fredericksburg" to read the essay by Ryan Quint on this topic - basically, a lot of this particular scene was either embellishment or just made up for the film to increase the drama, sorry folks. The stone wall at Fredericksburg & its place in the larger battle isn't fiction, though.
Yes, it did happen and the Union Army had a chance to occupy Marye's Heights first. They arrived on the south side of the Rappahannock river BEFORE the Confederates arrived but the army engineers and the pontoon bridge building supplies that was supposed to be waiting hadn't arrived yet. So the army just sat there across the river from Fredericksburg waiting for the supplies to arrive. A few days later, Col. Hancock spotted a small herd of cattle walking across the ice a little bit downriver from the army and, where they broke through, they only went down a couple of feet. He went to his superior officer with the idea of having the army walk across where the cattle did and then, they both went to General Burnside. But Burnside could not conceive of altering his plan in any way and insisted on waiting for the pontoon boats. While they waited the Confederates arrived and, after evacuating the town, began digging in on the other side of Fredericksburg. When the engineers finally arrived, they were forced to construct the bridges under fire from Mississippi sharpshooters in the warehouses lining the river.
This movie isn’t accurate, a lot of it is southern apologist propaganda, there are better civil war movies
Also Cold Harbor, another Union disaster (1864). On the other hand the Confederate Pickett's Charge at Gettysburg in 1863 was also semi-suicidal.
Trying to load a muzzle-loader while lying on the ground... Not impossible but difficult and it took time. Breech-loaders were already coming into use in European armies and increasingly were used in the American Civil War, especially by cavalry. And they could easily be loaded and fired by troops in prone position.
It does hurt me. My Irish brigade being killed by thier own coutnrymen. And them forced to kill their own too.
“Don’t they know we are fighting for our independence”
What crap.
The Irish Volunteer. Then don’t watch the f’cking movie if you thought it was crap, why’d you watch it?
@@arlonfoster9997 I was expecting some History.
Well that's the way Southerners thought about it, after all Secession was Legal in 1860.
@@TheIrishvolunteer trust me there is plenty of accurate history in this film, maybe the slavery or Irish parts of this story aren’t accurate but overall it’s a pretty accurate telling of how Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson would have saw the war. You don’t have to like them, you can agree or disagree but this is how they would have seen things.
@@ardshielcomplex8917 at that time the Constitution was very straightforward as to whether secession was legal or not. It was only post Civil War that the Supreme Court Texas V White case made secession illegal
A great wail rose from behind the wall when they saw the regimental flag, for there was no longer any north or south, only Ireland