The Fate Fandom vs. The JoJo Fandom
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"because they want you to spend money so they feel less shamed"
Most FGO players: 10/10 would not recommend
also FGO fans: *you get a nuke code, you get a nuke code, everyone gets nuke codes*
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That's hell you're walking into
Great characters, best plot/stories you'll probably ever read from a mobile game, and the voice acting for each and almost every character in the game is just on a whole nother level. 10/10 would not recommend.
FGO players: Thats hell you're walking into
@@jomybaby22-gaming This I could get behind. Thanks for the gold kind stranger
The FGO fandom is the best Fate fandom out there. We literally ask people to get away from the game, can't get more wholesome than that.
FGO vet has high saline tolerance
much higher salinity than the Dead Sea
Also They'll giv u free n codes
Yep. It's weird, the Nasuverse fandom is a giant cesspool of toxicity but somehow FGO fandom has almost none of that. Sometimes I wonder if it's even the same people in these fandoms since the atmosphere is so different.
@@bobjones2959 You should take a gander at Beast Lair. The amount of butthurt, elitist old school type moon fans that just have complete, UTTER contempt at Fate GO and its fans is ridiculous.
Fate fans: There are too many sabers
Jojo fans: there are too many stands
Hxh fans: TOGASHI PLEASE
togashi : i can't i'm playing dragon quest.
He got lost in gacha hell
I’ve never heard a jojo fan complain about too many stands. It’s more about stands not really being fleshed out or just being completely irrelevant.
"There are too many sabers" is such a dumb statement (in general not in this comment though, I found this comment hilarious)
It's as corny as saying there is too many doctors in the world
People need to understand that saber isn't a character's name but it's the class any sword wielding hero falls into
@@mohamedelhediissa289 I think they are talking about the saberfaces. You know, Artoria Pendragon twenty something versions ?
As someone who has been in the fate fandom for years let me say one thing, the people who actually scare newcomers into getting into fate the most are usually the hardcore fans that want other people to start in the most perfect place possible (aka the way they want), so they end up fighting in the comments about the watch order scaring newcomers (when just taking the first step and starting at the place they preferred would probably be way more effective into getting them into the series).
this is true, to be honest i just watched whatever was released first which was fate/stay night 2006
The only right way to start a discussion about the watch order is saying there's no correct watch order and then leave.
Yup, this is 100% true. I got into Fate last year and it was Garnt's short version which helped me with the "watch order". The Fate/SN subreddit made everything confusing as fuck.
Yeah i remember there's a fate fan trying getting me into fate as the conversation goes on things is getting more complicated and i become more confuse while he's trying to explain fate
Start with the Fate VN or perish
Garnt: "JoJo is weird."
I guess you could say JoJo is quite a *"Bizzare Adventure"*
Drum roll....
@@justsomeguyontheinternet.4398 Ba dum Tusssh
With time, the Joestars sealed their *FATE*
@@bestpriest2224 Yes, the arcana is the means by which all is revealed
Part 6 is just weird
Especially the first episode
"It's done in secret.."
" I was staring at the bars, so.."
Like wth is that?
If i wanted to get someone into JoJo i would just have them watch the "Let's go eat italian food!" episode from part four. Because that perfectly explains what JoJo is about wile being completely servicable as a stand alone short too.
Ngl one of the greatest fights in the animated series..I will also mybe put part 5 train battel
Perhaps also an episode from stardust crusaders? Or janken boy vs rohan?
“Let’s Go Eat Italian Food” and “The Sun” are great intro episodes to JoJo, as is “Dio the Invader”
Make them read the first rohan spin-off instead. It has pretty much everything; beautiful art, standalone story, an amazing ''fight'' scene, a good twist at the end...
@@faustsies1366 well, that could work, but I think it’s much easier to watch a 20 minute, self contained episode instead of reading an entire book. Though I think it could work for manga fans maybe.
Being a fate fan is like being in a religion
More like a cult
Let’s be honest the fate franchise is hentai with more steps!
Jojo will always rain superior
@@rudysmith1552 i mean most people start fate from astolfo and hentao anyways
Being deep in any fandom is like being in a religion and/or cult, with all of the good and bad they bring to the "faithful." Media fandom and investment is essentially what fills the hole for modern secular people that religious faith once did for so many people before the post-boomer generations started to widely associate religiousness and faith (mostly of the Christian varieties, although a little bit with other belief systems as well) with institutional oppression.
Fate Fans: No! Don't you see this contradicts with my intricate meta-narrative I've been constructing since Notes?!
FGO Fans: Lol, jokes are the deepest lore.
For some reason i like FGO's lore than Fate
@@smugofbishamonten1447 because FGO acknowledges that it’s batshit insane so they’re free to do whatever they want
@@ghostshrimp5006 ah yes funni events gib free lores
@@sherrypineda2080 the best lore
I love this so much
FGO players suffer together and encourage each other. We swim in salt and we do it together as brothers and sisters in degeneracy and gacha hell.
Still, Fate and the Nasuverse is a commitment. Once you get in, it’s a lot of fun, getting in deeper and seeing just how much there is to explore from EXTRA to Grand Order, to Nasu’s other works like Tsukihime and Kara no Kyoukai
Hell even a lot of Melty Blood fans aren’t even TYPE MOON fans
Yet there are still the „Got her in 1 ticket" (or 1 SQ in jp rn) a**holes.
@@vojtaniedelsky8011 “ftp btw”
I got gilgamesh 1 hour into the game and my friends were having a mental breakdown
@@velgard. I'm having a mental breakdown rn and I don't even know you.
I remember getting "whittled down" when I first wanted to get into Nasu stuff, At first I was just gonna watch UBW, Then I read about the -Fate- route so after like 2eps I told myself I'd read at least that then watch the anime. TL;DR I am now on the cusp of reading heaven's feel and probably gonna dive into the greater Nasuverse in due time. It's honestly super fun.
Funnily enough Garnt’s video on Fate from a few years ago was one of the reasons I chose to start watching Fate
Another big one was Astolfo lol
Saaaaameee!!! If it wasn't for that video I probably wouldn't have watched any of the Fate series or play Fate GO so yeah I should have listened to the video 😂
@@YoshiiHime I’d play GO but I can’t find it on the App Store, though that might just be because I’m only on a 6s atm
@@lonewolf9578 weird you should try searching with a VPN I'm from Latinoamérica so I can only download it through a VPN
@@lonewolf9578 you can download it with an APK installer if you have an android phone
@@lonewolf9578 which AppStore? Because an update about a week ago updated the device requirements on Apple platforms, I can’t recall if a 6s still makes the cut. My iPad Air 2 has been struggling a little bit since that update (may or may not be connected to new Gilgamesh animations having an insane number of particles)…so I can’t imagine the issues a 6s would have
The FGO fandom is genuinely one of the best and most wholesome fandoms out there. A far cry from the Type Moon Fandom
Yeah say whatever about the shit gameplay but FGO community is fucking wholesome. We don't take things too seriously and just enjoy whatever Nasu and pals shove into us.
@@sirawichsiri601 We're literally telling people to get away from that game, can't be more wholesome than that.
FGO is just self insert shippers. They’re far from wholesome considering how dedicated they are to their degeneracy but they aren’t toxic
Yes. "10/10 would never recommend" is the most wholesome line I've heard there
@@deletedaccount6388 am I the only person who’s a fan of the story and not the creepy JPEG art? I mean, admittedly as a history & myth buff I go nuts over half the characters, but mostly because of the novelty of a game where they are all characters! It’s the ultimate crossover!
Maybe I'm weird in this regard, but I've never really had trouble following Fate as I watch it. I just accept that like the animes and games and stuff are more or less their own universe. If one is linked, it'll usually be mentioned during a subsequent series' run. It seems to get complicated when you MAKE it complicated.
You're not alone. I did my research and learnt of the three story branches of the visual novel before they got adapted to anime, and got a general idea of where each entry of the series stood ("Apocrypha" is self-explanitory, if you look up the word's definition).
I kinda disagree, like fate on its own is like any other series, it's had it easy points and hard points but overall it's not to difficult to get into. What makes Fate and by extension the nasuverse confusing is how everything comes together. For example and this is a spoiler for fate grand order, Fou in fate is a beast and a threat to humanity but comes to understand humanity alittle. However in Tsukihime he is primate murder which is connected to alot of other things like dead apostles. That what makes Fate and by extension nasuverse confusing is things like this or things that aren't mentioned too much in the more popular parts of the series.
@@trinity5502 yea then there’s Solomon arcuied apostle yumei rin and gigguck isn’t even mentioning lord el-meloi case files or the games besides visual novel but it’s interesting getting it from gigguck perspective
nah man, I too am on the same page as you. I started with fate zero, watched two episodes and already knew i was gonna like it. so i kept watching it. I found connections and references and accepted it while enjoying the series as well. And that's all there is to it.
Same tbh, I don't know what people are talking about when they mention wikis and all that. I just watched UBW first and brnached off to everything else and didn't feel like I missed a lot. I'm sure there's lore here and there about past events or characters but I've never felt the story come to a stop because of my lack of certain knowledge regarding those aspects.
The FGO fandom got me an A on my history class. As a newcomer, I'm so proud to be a part of this welcoming fandom.
Welcome to the fandom newcomer!
Same. Even tho I’m not studying history, i feel like engaging in Fgo fan base really helps with my stress.
It's kinda hurt to see Connor saying that Fate aren't self contained stories, because almost all of them are. They weren't connected at all by anything except some concept and cameos
Even prequel is basically it's own timeline (because of some inconsistencies regarding characterization of few characters and some minor details, but still)
@@vladprus4019 I still don't get how so many people (even the ones that have read the visual novel) overlook that Kirei's development on Zero should have already happen by that point on the story, they even used the same concept of his wife's suicide with his father's death.
@@camiloprovoste7288 I'm guessing because that makes Kirei dynamic and not static character so he is more interesting to watch than most of other characters.
But yeah... if you think about his backstory that was already established at this point, his character development feels redundant.
Connor is an awesome guy but just don’t take everything to heart. You enjoy this cuz you like it. And he doesn’t. And it’s ok. You gotta understand from his perspective, he has his own things he want from a series or not. Plus he still thinks Fate and type moon as anime. Let him think what he wants.
As a fate fan I literally spend weekends picking a random obscure anime and just binging it to burn out the idea of arguing with other nasuverse fans online. That's how bad it is XD
Bruh hit me up with that list need me something new
@@Mm-vr9mt I don't have a list I just go to my anime streaming site, pick one at random and watch it.
@@yammoto148 noice wish I could still do that but I've seen too much XD
@Just an idiot lurking the internet So true. I once had an online argument around a year ago with a few fate fans about how Gil vs Shirou in UBW was full of plot armor and it went on for days. There are still people who reply to my comment which was just a reply to another comment. It's a good thing that starting to play FGO separated me from all that toxicity and replaced it with salt.
Oh, ever seen serial experiment lain?
Imo you can easily enjoy Zero and UBW without reading the wiki or anything, it's explained in details and all one needs to do is pay attention.
Heaven's Feel might require some digging as the ending isn't explained well enough.
Also as a person who's been playing FGO for 5 years, will not recommend
They better just watch it on youtube. FGO I mean
wiki's not very reliable tho, since people enjoy editing in their own interpretations of statements instead of just putting words in verbatim. I think there was a fan-made snow globe analogy at some point for Reality Marbles replacing the already existing canon Analogy.
Imagine fighting over how to start Fate when the right way is obviously through the doujinshis
Based
Entering FGO for the first time is like entering a bar for the first time.
Everyone is chill and relaxed while falling to existential crisis. Best part is that they accept that fact and tell people to fuck off before its too late like a failed drunk father.
For an FGO fan myself, there has not been a single day of peace and solace especially in the JP server.
One thing I kinda disagree is that most (that I know of) FGO players don't necessarily want you to spend money on the game. Most would just give tips on how to play and adjust your strategy depending on what you got.
Because, believe it or not, you can complete FGO without relying on rare servants. The so-called "meta" is just there to make it easier/simpler for farming/gathering materials. The reason why people spend is mostly for waifu/husbando reasons.
Clearly the way to win this game is to waifu/husbando the top tier supports…like everyone after LB6
@@HelplessFangirl God, the LB6 Servants are insane in how all of them are good, like B+ to A tier. Then they dropped Koyanskya and Oberon back to back afterwards, both S tier supports, with a Castoria banner rerun in the middle now that people have grown to love her character on top of her busted support skills?
They were taking no survivors whatsoever.
Thank god for Clairvoyance EX, so now I know to save for Castoria not just for gameplay but to save hard for character reasons. (Looking at you Melt.)
@@gunnarschlichting9886 bro I know the feeling. Cry for my sanity, I want Oberon, Koyanskaya, and Morgan. Not to mention Castoria
@@HelplessFangirl Currently, I am saving for Castoria's banner next year, and I'll go from there. I'll probably roll for Fairy Lancelot because having both a ST NP and an AoE NP is really cool, but Oberon also seems awesome especially because of *spoilers.*
If I don't get Castoria though, I'll save for her post LB6 banner as well. I've got no idea how well I'll hold out, but that's the plan at least. Being F2P is hard.
Exactly, never spent a penny on this game. But just saving and rolling strategically and being pretty lucky myself, I have most servants I want. I even have okita at np2.
Then there's me who is a fgo player for more than 3 years and I have never touched the money option nor will I ever do so. 100% f2p from day 1.
Same
GSSR only guy here
Still staying FTP deserves respect in such an unforgiving system
@@water_color yeah this is me im f2p untill gssr i do those its hard to pass up
@@water_color gssr is such a good deal, it's not too hard to justify the money when you are very invested in the game already
Damn that's great, I am f2p on my jp account as well, but spent 800+ sq on Morgan
I remember when discussing the Tsukihime remake on Reddit, some people said that they hope it won’t get an English release because they don’t like casuals in their communities. WTF man…
Wtf? Bro that's bullshit what we actually want is no anime adaptation because I don't want casuals.
No way ☠☠
And i assume these people got downvoted into oblivion because i know what the reddit fate community looks like and they are literally dying to get a translation, just look at mahoyo which just got a movie while the english translation isn't complete after 10 fucking years.
What you saw on reddit that day was one boomer i've got literally 100s of counter example
Gatekeepers is a lot more popular these days.
"Secondary" has historically always been the go to insult for the Type-Moon fanbase. It was used in 2011 to deride F/Z anime-only watchers, and since then, it's has been used to pretty much exclude anybody who hasn't read the VNs from discussion.
The interesting about FGO though, is that it's also divided the Type-Moon fanbase into people who only like "classic" Type-Moon stuff like Tsukihime, KnK, and F/sn and the people who are just pretty open to FGO and new stuff coming out.
F/Z anime-only people are some of the most annoying things to happen though.
If you ever call someone a secondary I immediately lose all respect for you as a human being
I'm not sure how it's used now but I do remember that the term "secondary" was coined in response to certain Fate/Zero anime-only watchers being incredibly toxic and running around proclaiming Fate/Zero was gods gift to anime and the rest of Type-Moons work was trash and how both the UBW anime and the original VN were inferior in every single way... despite having never read the VN.
@@im_sorry_i_forgot_my_username It was in response to F/Z fans calling series like F/SN trash because it didn't pander to their taste. They would often use excuses such as Shirou being naive unlike Kiritsugu or that F/SN was just a fanservice lighthearted work. Words that wouldn't come to mind if you actually watched or read it.
TL;DR secondaries is a term that is rather similar to Flat-Earthers, It's often applied to people who want to argue about something but refuse to read anything about it.
@@davedavedave0118 Maybe that was its original use, but nowadays I see it get thrown around at anyone who prefers F/Z and hasn't read the visual novel, even if they haven't done anything wrong or disrespectful to the VN fans, aside from just stating their opinion
It's actually funny how he mentioned how hype jojo fans are, because when I started it yesterday and told my friend who is a massive jojo fan, he proceeded to talk about jojo with me for an hour or so, it was cool seeing him so happy
As a fate fan I think there are 3 points that absolutely need to be made:
1. We get you into Fate Go to get you to fund the next anime, we're conniving bastards.
2. Don't engage with the beast's lair fandom just enjoy the show.
3. As someone who understood 90% of Fate I'm still scared and confused with Evangelion. Try telling me thats not complicated
ruclips.net/video/Ho07Ag6lV9g/видео.html here's a good video that explains evangelion in 7 minutes, you could also read the wiki too to understand it but the video pretty much covers everything that's in the wiki. A lot of the explanations comes from the PS2 game too lol
we dont even get you _directly_ into Fate Go
1. we always tell others *_Thats hell you're walking into_* .. thats not endorsing the game, thats keeping people away from the pain and salt
2. we provide high-quality fan-arts and *NUKE CODES* .. now thats how we *_convince you_* that the game is good
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True i understood most of the lore of fate and I'm still confused about evangelion
@@jomybaby22-gaming jalter nukes are one of the best fgo "manga" that's just facts
or just read the manga (turas realta) game only get's better after camelot but this manga makes the erlier ones so enjoyable and the MC has an actual character development/personality, he's not just a way to insert you way into the game anymore. I 100% recommend checking it out even if you have played the game (I've only read the prologue and orleans and it was really good orleans was EPIC, it made me cry at the end lol)
Favorite type moon fanbase is the Melty Blood players. Dedicated to their game to where they host tournaments in bathrooms
FGC is on another level, not smash player tho
*Majin Obama has arrived*
MB players don't play to read, they play to fight.
I think it shows that I've got most of my friends into JoJo very easily, but they were adamant to start on part 3 for some reason. But I've only managed to get one friend into fate. However that one friend has also read the VN, watched Apocrypha and prillya, and played FGO, melty blood and extra like me. Jojo is easier to sorta fall into I guess. But the natsuverse is more of a dedication.
@@ZuuZuu2 i feel like the main appeal of JoJo is the memes. Fate has memes but you have to understand the series to get it. But with JoJo you can at least pretend to get it without having seen the anime.
@@ZuuZuu2 part 3 was literally made so you can enjoy it even if you missed some episodes lol
In other words, Fate is for nerds. And I’m a nerd.
Part 1 wasn't bad by any means, but I feel like most of the people that start the anime are expecting stands and crazy powers but instead we get Hamon and Vampires. Part 2 was the same as part 1, but I feel that Joseph made it even more entertaining with his attitude. Part 3 is long and has a very plain protagonist. But it compensates with the return of Dio, side characters and the introduction of stands. Part 4 and 5 have a really good plot with the adventure of finding out the identities of their antagonists Kira and Diavolo. Part 6 has an amazing cast with completely new characters. And finally both part 7 and 8 are intriguing and fascinating because of the new world that is presented and I feel is the 2 parts that have the most of that "Aralia style" that we all love.
No. I'm sorry. How does part 3 compensate with the return of DIO? He's barely on screen, when he is he's just there in the darkness, being a drama queen, spewing cryptic sh*t or just messing with the people he's talking to. And when he does finally properly return, it's just another stand battle (stand user gets introduced, they struggle against him, Jotaro pulls a previously unseen ability of star platinum and then he wins), only slightly longer. It's about as compelling as my pfp
I think that for a lot of people Part 1 just felt generic in the middle and kinda melodramatic throughout. I find curious that people think that Jotaro is plain when he is basically written to be a guy trying to act though when he is in reality he is quite the Jonathan. He is a Teenager/Adult passing through an edgelord phase, which makes him intrinsically funny (to me at least).
I don't think that JoJo has any actually bad parts by any means, it just that in parts 1 and (maybe) 2 Araki didn't fully find what JoJo should be about yet. Because of that, i don't understand why the JoJo fandom is so against the idea of skiping parts. Maybe someone who skiped parts might be more inclined to comeback to those skiped part because he simply grew to apreciate the great work that is JoJo, meanwhile someone who was not feeling it in part 1 just might never comeback. Anyway, it is just weird that there is such a pushback against that.
@@floricel_112 Dio is always a drama queen who spews cryptic shit and messes with people
And also while it’s a very good comparison, Dio vs Jotaro is a more compelling then you’re profile pic
Also you didn’t mention that the battle is absolutely awesome (I suppose like you’re profile pic)
@@oimate6357 don't really see the "compelling part" of the fight. Neither of them met each other up until that point, so it's not like they that any history. Jotaro thought of him the same way he thought of all his previous opponents: that he was scum. And Dio didn't see him as a genuine rival, even though he was wary of him as a Joestar. And Dio and Jotaro didn't really have any *personal* beef with each other. Sure, Jotaro's mom got sick because of him, but it's not like Dio did it on purpose to screw with Jotaro, nor was she the only Joestar affected. She was just collateral damage. It's not like with Dio and Jonathan, were the two grew up together, saw each other as rivals and clashed several times throughout part 1. Not to mention Dio attempting to ruin Jonathan's life throughout the years
Heck, Polnaref or Kakyoin vs Dio would be more compelling, because they DO have personal with Dio: they were both brainwashed by him and Polnaref even lost his sister because of one of his cronies
@@DarkHunter047 ahh you see those who part skip simply don't return to previous parts then get confused and then complain when they don't understand. Also I don't have anything against part skippers it is just what I have seen from part skippers.
treat everything (outside Zero, UBW, Fate and Heavens Feel) like you would the Final Fantasy universe. Most of em are based in separate universe but share aspects and world-building. I.E things like magic circuits, magic crests, origins, ley lines and heroic spirits all transfer to other works as well. Pretty much once you watch one of the main shows you're set.
Or forget everything and fuck lore all together. One of the great things about fate is that you can really just forget about most of the lore other than " People with magic fight other people with magic, sometimes with heroes from the past which may or may not be gender bent but hey who cares its anime"
You can definitely get into the nitty gritty of the Nasuverse, but you really dont have to. Grants video really showcased the bliss of understanding the Nasuverse but honestly its optional
Remember, older stuff is better and more powerful because it has more Mystery and will always beat newer stuff. Except for when it doesn't. *Cough* Gilgamesh vs Shirou, Kiritsuga's Origin bullets, f*cking D'EON HAVING A RANKED STR WTF, Black Barrel, Drake/Da Vinci/Tesla/Any Servant with Pioneer of the Stars, just Chaldea as a whole, etc *Cough*
@@gunnarschlichting9886 Old beats new isn't an actual ironclad rule, Napoleon is predated by Mandricardo but Mandricardo winning would require plot armor for example.
Also, G vs S was a matter of affinity, Kerry's OBs specifically fucks up Magic circuits due to how they work but is basically just a bullet that causes necrosis, D'eon is weird and self-hypnosis is weird, Black Barrel is Black Barrel, Honestly everything after that point is explained by "Old beat new" being fanon.
I like both, both is good.
To be honest I love Fate more than JoJo since there are so many contents of with tragic.
Don't get me wrong I am a hard-core JoJo fan too but I love tragedy more than bizarre.
A lot of fate is pretty mediocre though
How tf is fate tragic? The most generic shit out there. Jojo more than bizarre, p6, 7 and 8 are story-heavy and have more tragedy.
@@erickramirez6772 its funny if you not denial the only good jojo is part 7, and the other is just shounen generic with super plot armor lol
@@punani_slayer4209 and from 8 part of jojo the only good one is part 7 lmao, the other is just shounen generic
The problem is that others like Kaleid and Grand Order are very mid from the start. Then the latest chapters of both goes explaining the multiverse to the point everything is just insane and I can't wait to see more.
You guys might think Jojo fans thinking that everything is a jojo reference is annoying but last month for me was just people being like "YO IS THAT A LOSTBELT 6 SPOILER???"
🤣🤣
That's because how the LB6 is laid out.. some people want to read the translated story as a whole.. so for them seeing someone summarizing the story or even theory crafting is considered as a spoiler..
@@SuperDio58 They only just saw a picture of Howl from Howl's moving castle
Still you can't compare how annoying JoJo fans
Someone will be running and then JoJo fans will say "IS THAT A JOJO REFERENCE!?!?"
@@guycrimson6885 At least JoJo fans are just joking around.
Someone running would somehow not only spoil the entirety of lostbelt 7.5 for Fate fans but they also are actually complaining to people about getting spoiled.
Let it be known, basically every FGO player warns against starting FGO.
After all,
*That's hell you're walking into*
if people can get into the MCU despite marvel in general having a more labyrinthine lore with even more parallel universes/timelines/continuities, people can totally get into any subset of the fate franchise
Exactly
I mean, there's A LOT less MCU content than Fate content. Remember, Fate has the games and the VNs, as well as the various spinoff novels.
well the marvel stuff is easy, there is a specified order and some tv shows (also with a specified order), there aren't games or other things that are considered canon that you need to go to a different place to get it, it's all on disney+ available right from the start.
JoJo fans will fight anyone outside their fandom for disagreeing with their opinions.
Fate fans will fight everyone in their fandom for agreeing with their opinions.
Zero exaggerations included in this comment.
May Akasha protect us from beginners who discovered Fate Zero and decided to insult everyone liking other type moon stories because "lol fate zero is the best too mature for you fsn is a hentai you degenerate what a shitty spin off of F/Z rofl" because they deserve an enuma elish right to their faces.
@@crash-testproductions9341 Starting with Zero isn’t wrong per se
But those particular people are very annoying and narrow minded to dismiss the rest of TYPE MOON
@@water_color One of the main reason to that is Fate Zero was written by Gen Urobochi and his style is predominant in the show so Fate Zero fans are often less fans of FS/N and more fan of Urobuchi style, which is why they demean other type moon media who don't have the style they wanted from F/Z. For example, if you watch the ending of F/Z and Psycho Pass season 1, you simply can't miss they have been written by the same author. So, instead of going to Fate medias after watching F/Z, most of them should try Urobochi written animated series instead.
@@crash-testproductions9341 if we are being honest fate stay/night fans are just as rude to fate zero fans as fate zero fans are to fate stay/night
(and so the cycle of hatred continues)
@@yurineri2227 Ironic considering Nasu and Urobuchi are friends. This is Naruto vs One Piece all over again.
I like how Garnts example of fate toxicity was people giving shit because some watch the show out of order, only for Connor to essentially do the same for skipping parts in JoJo.
And his "they are already losers, because they are Fate fans"
@@vladprus4019 lol. As a Fate watcher , I can say that is accurate
Exactly so hypocritical
Of course, people are fine if it’s only an anime.
Jojo: Manga that got an Anime Adaption and goes from Part 1 onward.
Fate: A Visual Novel that got anime adaptations, that have Highlights of something 3 times the size of Lord of Rings Trilogy.
They are very different kinds of Adaptations.
I like both Type-Moon and JoJo, but there's an extreme difference between the two. It's comparing Apples to Oranges. You don't HAVE to read JoJo since there's really no inner monologuing going on, but you really do need to read Fate/Stay Night to really appreciate it.
You legit never have to read or watch any other Fate series to understand any standalone series or game. Each one explains the important concepts within itself. The stupid ass gatekeepers who insist you read the Vn or watch in a specific order are the only people who make Fate seem super complicated.
Pretty much. Only time a specific order is necessary is for Stay Night and Zero, after that you can basically do whatever the fuck you want.
@@asshatt6908 that’s also untrue. You can watch stay night and Zero in whatever order you want. If you watch Zero first, you are going in chronological order so most people do it that way. But if u watch fsn first, you will have a lot of lightbulb moments about why things are the way they are in FSN, and you can see foreshadowing that you will connects to events you saw in fsn.
Also I just like Zero better than any FSN route. I think it’s more satisfying. So watching that AFTER FSN just feels more cathartic. (Though brave shine and last stardust are better songs)
Either way, just watch them in whatever order you want. You could literally start with FSN, go to Apoc, go to Babylonia, and end with Zero. And it would still be 100% acceptable.
Just don’t watch Last Encore. That shit was trash. Sure it’s beautiful, but you’ll come out of it understanding LESS about Fate Extra when you’re done than you did going in. It’s a HORRIBLE standalone series.
No we insist you read the VN because UBW and HF are horrid adaptations. Do whatever you want after that.
Garnt: "The FGO community is just wholesome"
Me: SASUGA G-
Shiva sama?
Greg sama
@@berington123 what's the story about Greg-sama again?
@@razzildarkbrew1952 mod in fgo fb group who look like adult waver
As a fate fan, I love your content and I think you've done a lot of work to open the community up. Keep up the great work Garnt!!
The fate series is only as complicated as you want it to be. Its because people seem to consider everything at once even though almost all of it except Fate Zero and FSN can be ignored at first. The only question that needs to be considered is do i want to take the ideal route with the FSN VN or do i want something quick with the FSN anime? That's all
Man, toxicity of the Fate fans can be infuriating. Even as a Fate fan myself. Especially on watch orders... I rarely touch that subject...
FGO's fans are pretty decent. We're even persuading people to not play the game for their own sake.
2:30 that chart is nothing compared to all the fate novels that haven't been adapted yet
that chart is nothing to all the type moon works that haven't been made yet :(
@@hesklairvoyant exactly bro, all the wonderful stories that are sitting still getting dusty
@@DouglasAlexanderRivas yes hopefully a tsukihime anime :)
@@hesklairvoyant wasn't there a really old tsukihime anime?
@@SirWheaty it does not exist.
As someone who has gotten into Fate somewhat recently I don't really get why everyone else says its so complicated. You have a visual with three different endings, Fate/Zero is a prequel, and literally everything else is alternate timelines/universes. That's it. It's not really that hard.
I hate to be that guy, but Fate/Zero is also an alternate timeline to FSN
Yeah, I know we're gonna get attacked here, but Zero is a non-canon prequel to Stay Night. So it's also an alternate timeline.
@@miteigi8334 I'm like 90% convinced that it wasn't supposed to be an alternate timeline but they say it is because Urobuchi contradicted the writing of the existing characters in several places. So because it's Fate and they make up lore to justify everything, they can just go "fuck you, it's an alternate timeline, now there's no contradiction, 10/10 masterclass writing."
"You have a visual with three different endings"
And here's the thing:
people just ignore Visual Novel, mainly due to 3 reasons:
1. Less mainstream medium, so people don't know if they would like it
2. Long, so it can scare away because of commitment
3. Due to way Type-Moon is publishing stuff... let's just say if you are not in Japan, this particular VN is not the easiest in terms of accessibility
Which is a sad thing, because reading VN is the simplest way to get into Fate (if you don't see problem with any of the 3 points). You don't need to think about orders and stuff, you just read. This isn't adaptation, this wasn't written as spin-off or prequel.
But due to those 3 reasons... yeah... you have this weird thing of people arguing about orders.
@@bobjones2959 Iirc, I think it's also because Nasu didn't properly supervised it. So both of them are to blame.
Here’s the thing with fate
Most of the series currently adapted are (usually) self contained in their own timeline separate from the others
The only time that certain things cross paths is in fgo
For example
In apocrypha
There are next to no references to fate zero or stay night besides the flashbacks to Mordred’s past cause ya know
Son of King Arthur and all that
Fgo (and technically carnival phantasm and grand carnival) are the only times that stuff crosses over
I’m probably wrong so let’s see how this goes
You're right tho
Connor- jojo fan
Gigguk- fate fan
Joey- 👁️👄👁️
Connor: “Watch it in order”
Also Connor: “Fate is so hard to get into, I have to read/watch it in order”
I don't understand how people find a series with 2 animes that have 24 eps each and 3 movies to be hard to get into. The main timeline is literally all you need to know if you enjoy it then you can drift off to the other stuff like fgo, apocrypha, prisma illya etc.
You don't even need main timeline. I started with Apo instead. So is more you choose what you think is interesting. (Just ignoring the Fate Extra anime...and Grand Order). There rest are good starting points,Redline Fate/Strange Fake, Requiem (also sounds like this but i don't read it)
yeah but to a random person getting in to fate it looks really complicated and kinda kills your motivation to watch it, when I was planning to watch fate for the first time I was confused as hell because I kept looking for a "proper" way to watch it and I was completely new to the series, I got lots of images of the timelines of the series with words I haven't even seen until then, like heaven's feel ritual and fate/stay night visual novel, I was like "there's a visual novel? I thought it was an anime??", then after much time and research I just said fuck it and watched fate/zero then the stay night adaptation by studio deen then UBW, I started to understand stuff as continued to watch the series and since I did some research before watching it I didn't go in completely blind, then after reading a few stuff on the wiki and after finishing multiple animes I understood what the hell was going on, it's not super complicated however you have to know and understand stuff essential to the series, so to a newcomer who doesn't wanna put in the amount of effort I put in when I started watching the series, they would be put-off by the series and not watch it cuz' to them it's too complicated and not worth the effort, I was genuinely interested in the fate series and later on the nasuverse(tsukihime and kara no kyokai) so that helped in watching the series, also because I was just enjoying the plot, the lore, everything, all of it in my eyes was just so cool and interesting watching for the first time, so it was really fun watching.
Seriously, JoJo is far harder to get into as far as I'm concerned from sheer episode and series count given they're all main timeline compared to Fate's.
Well the problem is that it's not possible to find a watch order without spoiling other series, therefore everyone recommends a different watch order, and don't forget the 06 adaptation, it's also part of the main timeline
@@_rebix_7887 the problem with deen's adaptation is that it tried to mish mash all the other routes into 1 while focusing more on fate route, so it ends up kinda spoiling some stuff about heavens feel and ubw.
Fate Go fans are so welcoming NGL. I asked why I should start the game and they said that I shouldn't. They are trying to save me from the hell. But jokes on them I'm a masochist so I the play the game. Still playing it and I need help please
You new? If so good luck on your journey and always spam heracles it works most of the time
Connor’s rant about external research is really good, and it also made me realize just how weird of a series Fate really is (AS A FATE FAN). Like watching the mainline stuff (Zero, UBW, Heaven’s Feel, and even Deen Stay Night), you really don’t need to research anything else if you don’t want to, since all the concepts are explained well. It’s when you get into the extra lore and the spin-offs that it becomes horrendously complicated (like do not even get me STARTED on Fate Extra)
Zero, UBW and HF are the main titles. The rest, you can watch if you want, it doesn't matter. As a FGO player though, I still am waiting for other Singularities/LBs to be animated too...
You can always recommend Babylonia for the NPs and cool fight scenes.
@@AzureDragon100 its also a great recommendation to destroy speakers
@@Silver-Arrow hey, dubstep Enuma Elish is best Enuma Elish
don't forget Fate route, that one's actually pretty important too (though it doesn't have a super faithful adaptation yet unfortunately)
@@asshatt6908 fate route is the regular battle royale the holy grail war was always meant to be. Other than establishing the mystery of archer and why shirou is so good at projection, /Zero is "better" at delivering that experience
So far I have watched about four or so fate shows from the entire franchise and from those few shows/anime series I'm pretty content with the information that I do know about the fate franchise despite not watching a few prequels and sequels.So far the shows that I watched from the franchise in order of what I've watched first would be fate zero,fate Staynight unlimited bladeworks,fate aprorypho,fate grandorder-The series and the movie and fate Encore.From just those few pieces of the franchise I am pretty content with my experience with the fate franchise as well as the premise of it.Being the 'kinda fate fan I am,I would recommend this franchise to anyone who's looking for just a good time with an intriguing story.
The FGO fandom is basically like r/drug subreddit
We (fate fans) don't want people to spend money.... We just want someone to geek out with
"Fate is complicated! Look at this chart!"
Me: *laughs in Homestuck*
Warhammer 40k has lore for years.
I have heard of it, is it good? :0
Me: *laughs in MegaTen*
@@blazehensen8399 It's very good, but you have to focus on it and nothing else. The best way is find a fan that read a lot of books from the "Black Library" and ask him just the basic of the universe and worldbuilding, like the "Horus Heresy" and the main races
@@farsight1215 i got into warhammer 40k recently( maybe not the best time) and damn the universe is interesting, as an avid fate fan i think i have a weird obsession for lore because all i did was watch brickys video on the factions and i immediately got hooked
I genuinely don't think that fate timelines are super hard to explain. It just sounds really convoluted when you get into the kitty gritty and ask the specific questions. But that's the thing, its only complicated if you make it complicated, if you simply lay down the facts, you can connect the dots. Then you can start asking questions.
The problem with fate is that the official in source explanations always go for a more mystical sounding explanation, with tons of new names for concepts and ideas that aren't actually that hard to grasp. At least in FGO they've started using more metaphors and connections to more scientific comparisons, but as I read it described in the Fate Lore Spacebattles Thread: Take away the chuuni speak, and the ideas aren't that complicated.
alright then. Would you mind explaining why there is no ruler class servant in the 5th holy grail war ?
@@freddiem6805 Because a Ruler only pops up if a specific fail safe activates, that being if all 7 masters decide to team up the Grail will summon another set of 7, and since team battles of that scale are far riskier in regards to collateral and revealing magic a Ruler is there to keep things contained.
Technically, if things were working better, it's possible a Ruler should have been summoned. However, since the Einzberns fucked up when they summoned Avenger Angra Mainyu in the 3rd Grail War and it was killed, resulting in its soul entering the Grail itself, the system was partially corrupted/damaged since then. That's why actually Evil/Monstrous Servants were able to be summoned, think Gilles in the 4th War or Medusa in the 5th. Without the corruption from Avenger's soul, it would've been impossible for those two to be summoned.
Tl;dr we only know Ruler gets summoned for sure when it's a 7v7, and the Grail in the main timeline had been corrupted/damaged by Avenger's soul ever since the 3rd Grail War.
@@gunnarschlichting9886 why wasn't it a 7v7 in 5th grail war ?
@@freddiem6805 So, Apocrypha is a divergent timeline from the original timeline. The difference is that the Einzberns cheat differently in the 3rd Grail War.
In the main timeline, they try to summon an overwhelmingly powerful Servant in the Avenger class, and ironically get a super weak Servant instead who dies pretty much right away, but whose soul corrupts the Grail and system.
Then, 4th Grail War (Zero) happens, followed by 5th Grail War (Stay Night). While these, especially the 5th, are filled with issues and the like, the specific conditions needed to trip the fail safe to summon a Ruler and 2nd faction (that being all 7 Master and Servants teaming up) never occur.
In the Apocrypha timeline, they try to play is smart and cheat by summoning a Ruler class Servant, and summon someone who normally wouldn't quite qualify, since normally Rulers are supposed to not have a wish but the person they summon does. They do this because the Rulers get Command Seals/Spells for every other Servant, which while they can be overpowered by the Master's Command Seals/Spells still would waste their opponents biggest trump card/creating a moment of vulnerability.
In the Apocrypha timeline, the 3rd Grail War ends with Darnic Preston Ygdemmillenia (I think that's how you spell it) stealing the Greatsr Grail and the whole infrastructure with help from the Nazis, then immediately betraying them and running off with it on his own. Then, after 60ish years of experiments and studying the Greater Grail, he understands it well enough to run a full fledged Grail War in his backyard. He purposefully sets it up so him and his allies all summon 7 Servants as a faction, and let the fail safe activate to summon a second set of 7. This also results in a Ruler being summoned, since it's part of the same failsafe that results in the second set of 7 Servants being summoned.
For me the best fandom is the ace attorney fandom, pretty chill and wholesome.
Spongebob fandom for me
Never ever going to understand how people think Fate is that complicated beyond seeing at all the current adaptation s and just seeing size. Even if almost all of them have nothing to do with the other beyond same general rules. And regarding stay night it feels like they never heard of different routes in a videogame before
1. Every Fate series has its own authors with their own sets of stories who uses different sets of characters who have their own sets of backstories which are rarely accurate to their IRL stories depending on who or what they're based off of and some of those characters even have alternate versions of themselves which just makes it more of a hassle than it already is.
2. Surprisingly not a lot of people play the VNs including myself, and unfortunately most of them got scared off because of how the toxic fans keep saying it's complicated af even though it's not really all that complicated.
3. Once you're in the rabbit hole, you can never get out.
@@apolatyne_decova for the first one, nothing is connected to stay night and the spin offs are set on their own universes, so it doesn't matter too much to know all the lore.
@@camiloprovoste7288 Only a few are technically connected to FSN. What I was trying to say on the first part is that every Fate series (FAC,FGO,FER/FEL,FTR,&etc) are made by different authors that are using different characters. And those characters each have their own story that you'll need to understand for certain scenes of each series. It's complicated but it's far from being rocket science.
tell that to the poor soul that stumbled on Fate Last Encore on Netflix and decided to give it a try.
The one similarity i see with both fandom is that both will hate you for not following the "proper" order of watching/reading the series.
I started JoJo because of the Meme with Dio and Jotaro. Oh boy, I waited for so long to get to that episode. However, I realized that the build up and the things happened before was really amazing. It was really interesting and very different from other anime
Fgo peeps is pretty calm. Cause they need translation for latest Lostbelt lol
Summer soon baby
Still busy simping to Morgan and Oberon lmao
An interesting thing about Jojo on Netflix, they release Thus Rohan Kishibe Spoke before DIU. Part 4 is already in netflix but months after Rohan's stories.
It depends on what region. We got Part 4 before the Rohan anime came in.
Saying Fate is complicated to get into is like saying Star Wars is complicated to get into. You can just watch the main line of zero and a stay night variant and then everything outside that is extended universe stuff you don't have to interact with unless you want to.
It's not even that, Fate Zero is also in an alternative timeline so the only thing that matters is to watch Fate Stay Night in order. And then the correct anime watch order it's not complicated, it's just doesn't exist (yet... I hope), you are going to be watching an incomplete product anyways so if you don't want to get into complicated explanations watch whatever the fuck you want and shut up.
People are acting like all the fault is at the fate fans for explaining things from their different experiences, but if they didn't want a discussion and a elaborated explanation just google "fate franchise" and the first thing you are going to find is "fate stay night" or that the first thing ever released was "fate stay night" and you will know that fate stay night comes first. It's not harder than that and I got into fate like a year ago.
It's really tiring to see people bitching about the discussions when you could just say "fuck it" and watch whatever you want to watch if they are a real problem to you. It's just entertainment anyways, as long as you had fun it doesn't matter what some random people on the internet thinks.
@@camiloprovoste7288 on second thought maybe they were right
@@camiloprovoste7288 "It's really tiring to see people bitching about the discussions when you could just say "fuck it" and watch whatever you want to watch if they are a real problem to you. It's just entertainment anyways, as long as you had fun it doesn't matter what some random people on the internet thinks."
Shouldn't you be saying 'fuck it' about this discussion of it being complicated or not if it's tiring to see the discussion by your own standards then?
@@shinobisauren yes, I don't read them anymore, but it's still sad to see so much people complain about something I love for such an stupid reason
@@camiloprovoste7288 Yeah, but that you love it doesn't mean other people can't have their own different feelings and discuss about it, afaik?
I find it weird to go " 'it's just fun, it shouldn't matter', and the fact that you're not doing that matters a lot to me!"
2:28 "Look at this Fate Graph" ~ Garnt
" I am the bone of my sword,
steel is my body and fire is my blood,
I have created over a thousand blades,
Unknown to Death,
Nor known to Life,
Have withstood pain to create many weapons,
yet, those hands will never hold anything,
so as I pray,
Unlimited Blade Works!"
I starting watching Fate with Fate/Zero and was blown away and have been a fan ever since. I waste a lot more time than I should on exploring the lore and all that. But that's kinda how I am with all shows I like.
The thing about trying to recommend Fate to others is hard for me cause I recommend they watch Fate/Zero but the first episode of Fate/Zero has a LOT of dialogue which I personally enjoy but I know many probably stop there but I usually try and tell them that after that episode it starts to pop off and THE ANIMATION will BLOW THEM AWAYYYY! The fight scenes in Fate have always just BLOWN ME AWAY. At least the ones done by UFOTABLE.
These last heavens feel movies honestly have been some of the most insane anime moments I've ever experienced in terms of how good they looked when fighting. Hope more people get a chance to enjoy them. Sometimes I recommend a Fate amv to try and get people into it too sometimes even though they may get spoiled a bit with the fight scenes.
agreed
The issue is people trying to watch Fate to begin with, when it really never was nor will be as good in animated form as the VN is, outside F/Z of course which is helped by being a prequel to said VN. So naturally people get batshit about where to start or in what order in general, because most people watch maybe F/Z, then go directly to UBW and then wonder why it may be a clusterfuck.
if people stick to the Ufotable versions chronologically , its an easy watch
The problem with that is that it's kinda like watching Star Wars starting with the prequel trilogy. Fate/Zero in some ways was explicitly written to be experienced with the context of Stay Night, and it spoils many major reveals from Stay Night in just the first episode.
That being said though, given that the Ufotable adaptation is currently incomplete (the first route of the VN is still unadapted), starting with Zero is pretty much the best anime only way to get into Fate unless you're willing to fuck with the DEEN adaptation.
Fate is good. DAMN GOOD. But also quite Daunting. The main reason I wanted to get into the Fate Series is because I saw a small video of Saber Alter vs. Berserker from the Heavens Feel Movies. After watching Zero, UBW, Heavens Feel, and Apocrypha I decided to call it there. This isn't to say that I don't want to expand into the Nasuverse further, but I'm content with what I did watch.
As for Jojos, I still haven't taken the plunge, but it will happen eventually. If for nothing else, the memes.
Fate is really complicated, specially when you get into the whole nasuverse and Fate GO.
But I feel empathy to Fate fans saying read the visual novel, since I am an index fan and the anime adaptation screwed the LN over a lot
I was looking to get into index at one point, heard the adaptations where worse than fates and just decided to wait until I can be bothered to read the novels.
I feel like I really hampered my own experience with fate by watching the anime’s first, so I didn’t really wanna make that mistake again, especially considering from what I’ve heard the anime’s butcher toumas character worse than the fate ones do for Shirou.
Just watch Carnival Phantasm, the true Fate experience
It's so frustrating to hear them making the same points over and over again about Fate. Just pick a series and then watch whatever you want afterward, it's really that simple. People that make that it more complicated than that hurt the community.
Evangelion is defintely one of those shows for me where it makes more sense if you read external stuff that actually describes what happened because the series itself rarely does. Still love the series tho but the way the story is told really makes it hard to understand the first time you watch it.
Can confirm, Parts 1 and 2 had me on the edge of my seat.
Three episodes into part 3 with over 40 episodes left looming over my head and I busted out the Joestar Secret Technique and _Nigerundayo'd the fuck out of there._
I'll give part 6 a shot though, Jolyne seems cool.
I enjoyed Jojo part 3 beginning.
Well yeah part 3 has the worst pacing, worst protagonist Jotaro and the only redeeming quality is Dio
What I tell is just skim through 3, enjoy the final fight and continue normally from 4 because it's amazing from there.
Aye, me too my man. I'm thinking of maybe giving Part 5 a go, since it's so disconnected, but I just could not get past the beginning of part 3.
@@gunnarschlichting9886 Part 5 has some connections to part 3 and 4.
I like Fate, because many author beside nasu can write and tell their own version of Fate like Apo, Strange Fake, Proto etc. Even FGO singularity/LB
Of course they cannot change too much of the nasuverse
One of the FGO writers that I like is Minase who have some good chara development from writing a bad chapter(Agartha) to something great(Ooku and LB 4(.
I didn't really have a hard time understanding most aspects of the Type-Moon multiverse, though i attribute that to my time in the Transformers fandom and exploring that multiverse. So stuff like The Moon and TYPE Ultimates are as easy to process to me as Kiss Players and Multiversal Singularities are.
"That's one of them. And the other one is..."
[conversation veers off]
GARNT
I mean connors take is kinda weird because the anime was made to appeal to the visual novel fans so the visual novel is part of the story.Like i read the visual novel and then watched it in chronological order.Thats all you have to do.It is self contained.
so because it was made to appeal the VN fans then nobody gets to enjoy it? the experiences of all those who enjoyed fate without the novels are invalid? if you answer yes to any of those two questions then you can keep your fandom, because i dont want anything to do with it.
@@BioMatic2 im not saying you cant enjoy it just saying dont be confused why it seems complicated without reading the source material.
I'm a visual novel fan and can say without a doubt I wasn't appealed to.
A few years ago I really tried to get into JoJo by watching part 1 and I just couldn’t do it. I think I dropped it at least 3 times and eventually just forgot about it. Then when Part 6 came out on Netflix and was literally all over my recommended, I gave it a shot and to be honest I enjoyed it a lot more than Phantom Blood
The complication and confusion of fate comes from the fact the source material is a visual novel with 3 different routes. When it comes to Fate/zero though, there's really no complication it's just a prequel to what happened before the start of the visual novel (no routes just the anime) and those fans berating people are just smug assholes.
Unlimited blade works and heavens feel are 2 seperate routes not sequels/prequels to each other and I can easily see why people might get confused if not knowing that.
All other weird fate anime you hear about without those titles mentioned above imo can be ignored.
This basically. The secret to simplify Fate is to just highlight Stay Night and Zero (and maybe the other Type Moon stuff like Tsukihime, Mahoyo, and KnK if you're feeling adventurous), and treat the other Fate stuff as supplementary materials. This is actually why I really like Red Bard's intro to fate video, its the only one I've seen that actually makes this clear distinction.
I love how Connor complains about reading/watching Fate in order, but will critique people for watching JoJo out of order.
Advice I give to my friends if they wanna watch Fate. "Just watch the Ufotable ones"
As a jojo fan i would said it’s true I always tried to get my friends into jojo.
I never watch fate thinking of starting on Fate/Order Babylonia seeing clip it does feel they have their own self-contain story. That’s just me tho
Yeah Babylonia is not a self contained story
@@phattuan7000 Really? I need to watch every fate show to understand Babylonia? Babylonia don't even have saber
@@commonsense5199 The thing is, you can probably get away with watching Babylonia by watching the F/GO prologue OVA and the one episode OVA prior to Babylonia. But watching Fate/Stay Night will definitely explain more about their magic system and commands spells, servants and what not. It will help in this character called Gilgamesh because in Fate/Zero and Fate/Stay Night, he was this asshole tyrant but in Babylonia, he's this wise king who will always put his people first
Bottom line: You might be able to watch Babylonia without prior fate knowledge but it might hamper your enjoyment a little bit.
@@commonsense5199 Babylonia is part of the Grand Order series. It's the 8th chapter actually. So the only thing you need to see to understand it is everything "Grand Order." Funny thing is, the OG "Saber" Artoria Pendragon never appeared in *ALL* of the chapters of Grand Order. The closest thing? Throwbacks.
The thing is netflix makes you start at different parts of jojo. When I got into jojo it was telling me to watch stone ocean first. Netflix does this kind of thing to all kinds of shows
I already left both of the fandoms Fate and Jojo a long time ago, and since then I now always read the original source material first before watching any anime adaptations and thanks to that I now discovered Umineko which is honestly the best story I've ever read in my entire life, I regret not reading any VN sooner.
Oh shit... it's Lady featherine itself
umineko has great music and some of the mystery setups + arguing over them with red truths is really entertaining. It falls flat on its face everywhere else, mainly thanks to its horrible prose and ryukishi being unable to write a decent mystery to save his life, but the aforementioned aspects are just pure fun
@@tsurugi5 did you finish Umineko?
@@Satella_witch_of_dreams I did indeed.
@@tsurugi5 did you felt dissapointed with the ending? And did you read chapter 8 the manga afterwards? I'm just curious with other people's experiences and their own interpretation of the tale.
I remember how I got into Fate.
I watched Heaven's Feel, I didn't understand shit but thought it was freaking amazing (thanks Ufotable), so I went on and watched Heaven's Feel II, understood a bit more, fell in love with the Saber Alter fight, went straight into Fate Zero and tgen went on from there.
Meanwhile Araragi and Hitagi are sipping tea laughing at how people think the Fate series is bad....
Honestly though it's pretty easy to get into. Just follow the anime release order (For Monogatari I mean).
I think the anime order isnt right
i did that and i did not regret anything
Monogatari isn't complicated, there's a lot in terms of the number of series, but they're all connected, unlike Fate. The main argument is whether you watch chronological or broadcast order, which is simple enough.
Fate is easy to get into but understanding it can be confusing
Anime release order is probably the worst order u could watch fate
In terms of "needing to go outside of a show to understand it" I wouldn't say it does. Follow release order, que up Dean Stay Night, and you can follow that show without issue. The problem is most of the fandom hates the thing that was meant to be the starting point.
Once you finish that, there is the post it note of knowing that "practically each series follows a different timeline, some with small differences, some that follow an entirely different path;" but I just summed that up in a sentence.
I just want to have an official translation of the original visual novel. I'm too much of a boomer(and paranoid) to get it by....other means.
mirror moon is probably the best way to get an official translation, they "require" you have a legit copy but there are ways around it seeing as a 2003 game is hard to come by. The same applies for Hollow Ataraxia and Tsukihime
google is your friend
YOROKOBE SHONEN
I remember when I first started as a fate fan it was fun to interact with other fans now I don't even want to bring it up cause most interactions are just obnoxious at best and toxic at worst I have been waiting to watch jojo maybe now is the time just cause it does seem more fun to be a fan of jojo
This might be a JoJo reference, I can't tell yet...
I enjoy both, Fate was great for what i saw. However for those who want to start JoJo, you can watch Part 1 and 2 without stopping, its all good. However when watching Part 3, do it in sessions cause you either get bored of it and drop it, or you skip it entirely and miss a few key things. Dont do a marathon as thats the mistake i made. Part 4 is fine to watch it all, i found myself interested as to what would happen next, its wacky but also serious at times.
I watched all of part 3, then I realized I could’ve skipped most of it.
the hardest question to ask a fate fan define fate as the mangaka intended
This is such a big brain fight
the ending of part 3 though, makes it all worth it
yeah part 3 is one of my least favorites but i still appreciate the last few arcs
If there is one thing fate fans can all agree on, is the r34 stuff is pretty damn good.
And imma throw hands with anybody disagreeing
Sooo Connor stated with Jojo any way you watch it is fine as long as you aren't skipping parts. But coming in at random points of fate is a bit like skipping parts, which is why people tend to bring it up. The awkward part is there isn't really a proper adaptation of the first true part of the VN (DEEN thing is a fusion of all parts, not the first part) so that makes the where part a bit awkward.
Which I suppose is why people resort to saying just read the VN. Fate Zero, which is the best part (Heaven's Feel being a close second or better in some people's books), is a prequel which supposes you've gleaned the info from the part that takes place in the future (the un-adapted first part), but it's still the best place to start if you don't like to read.
To add that: VN also is completely self-contained, has all explanation of stuff so you don't need to "do research" to understand things and overall most of problems of "getting into Fate" are just non-existent if you start with VN so it is simplest way of doing it (with the exception of stuff like... searching it on the web, because it just cannot be accessible on Steam, no).
ALSO every single spin-off clearly assumes you know Stay Night, as they don't even bother explaining stuff that are not specific to that spin-off (like, Apocrypha having 3rd Magic as plot point yet not telling what it is).
It is just some people are acting like it matters way too much than it actually is and are overzealous about it.
I just wanna watch a good anime dude. And maybe enjoy ufotable's godlike animation along with it. So I just started with Fate zero . Fucking loved it. then watched UBW ( Liked the episode 0 which is shown from Rin's perspective. Episode 1 onwards : Shirou is just not that fun to watch lol. Honestly for me a lot of stuff that I enjoyed in Zero were missing in UBW ) , then the Heaven's feels movies : Kirei is back in full glory baby. which automatically makes it better than UBW . In the end , if you stick to what ufotable has made , you will have a fairly self contained story.
@@freddiem6805 If you're still interested, I actually recommend reading the VN when you have the time. The thing you mentioned about Shirou not being so hot is a bit of a flaw with how Ufotable adapted him since they removed a lot of his inner monologues which gave deeper context to most of his actions. Also the VN has even more Kirei so if you like him, there's that (the fight at the end of HF actually lasts for twice as long as it does in the anime, and is way more climactic)
I have been a fate fan for ages but I never touch other works of Type-moon.
I just don’t care enough
How do you guys usually access fate information? Because most well-known sources of fate Lore are usually unreliable (reddit, wiki-fandom,...). I usually dig around on Beast lair but now considering what kind of fucktard are on there, i'm starting to questione whether it's reliable or not. So is there any other, better sources?
To summarize:
Fate fandom: "Did you not get into Fate through how we think you should get into Fate? GET OUTTA HERE."
JoJo fandom: "MORE JOJO FANS LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
.....there are just 3 main timeline shows (well 4 but....you can skip that one) and 2 starting points, they both have there pros and cons. that's why people argue....and some people are stupid. that's it lol. idk why people complicate it. it's not even that big (episode amount) the main timeline is like 50 eps (75 if you watch 2009 fate, but most people skip that) and 3 brilliant movies. everything else is a spinoff, you can get into it if you want to consume more fate, it's not necessary.
You are really pretending as if Jojo fans dont shit over people who skip parts and call them "fake fans"?
these guys need to talk about gundam
I don't understand why people that have read the vn must pass for people that have a lot of time to lose. People that say this are the same that can farm in gacha games for hours each day or watch entire animes in one day. Just admit that you don't want to read 1 hour a day or so.
yep, and they would cry out “but it’s looooong”, as if they haven’t wasted most of their life watching shounenshit like Fairy Tail or Wan Piss