Timestamps for different parts of the episode: 🪐00:02:06 - What is an archetype? 🪐00:21:17 - The Archai Journal 🪐00:36:00 - Jung and the Red Book 🪐01:07:15 - Outer planet cycles
Hey! So I'm having a hard time hearing what she's saying around 28:35. Is it keplarian/ cepplarian astrology? I'm really curious because I actually formed my own conclusions around that type of astrology without even knowing there was a branch that focused on it. I think aspects and planetary archetypes are really important in astrology because they are unchanging. House systems and Vedic vs western etc.. creates the variation in how to interpret it. Anyways. Yes, can you help me with the name here please? I've tried googling but I am not spelling it right. I'd love to learn more!
First time that I see the video version✨ and from 49 min on as Becca is talking about the spectrum of reality and imagination the color of Becca's frame changes into this pretty interesting spectrum of light🌈 The archetypes literally manifested over the video💖 one of my faves videos of late, thank you both for this enchanting exchange🙏🌸
I'm in the stage of my life where I'm realizing that I want to go to grad school, and hearing about the California Institute of Integral studies feels like a huge sign. Everything mentioned in this podcast completely enamored me and I'm excited to take the next step!
Outstanding!!! Mundane astrology and the influence of the outer planets are my fields of special interest as an astrologer. This conversation could have continued for several more hours and I would have been a very happy listener.
Sometimes it gets a little annoying (not just in this video, just as a phenomenon) when people say nothing happened on the day of the Saturn-Pluto conjunction. Things are not only important when they affect US-Americans. COVID-19 already affected masses in China and upturned societal rhythms there since mid-January. To say that nothing happened when Saturn and Pluto conjoined erases that this disease had already taken the lives of many people in the world months before US Americans started paying attention or taking it seriously. It's important to decolonize the view of time. Not to negate the conversation about orbs but to use orbs to justify the delayed timeframe for coronavirus in the US definitely is a bit misguided when the first case of coronavirus was in late December!
I agree with this perspective completely. And in an earlier episode of the podcast Chris, Kelly, and Austin discussed how the first reported death from coronavirus in China (at the time of the recording at least) was January 11, the day before the exact alignment. Also, when looking at the lives of individuals this is also the case-even for me personally, the day of the exact conjunction was particularly significant, on the day of but even more so in retrospect. Thank you for bringing up this important point of decolonizing the view of time.
Thank you for this important discussion of Jungian archetypes and their expression as seen in the symbols of astrology. I find Ms.Tarnas to be mesmerizing and elucidating in her serene countenance and supreme fluency in this language of symbols. I absolutely loved her clarification that this way of seeing the chart allows for a layering and integration of other methods of interpretation, other schools of astrology - which is so very Jungian to me - allowing for that flow and reciprocity as well as allowing for the symbols to speak for themselves with the knowledge of the technical there as support. Very Saturn in Pisces in a way - providing structure for the mystical realm. Thank you both for an excellent interview.
Jung has North Node in Aries in the 3rd sign. Interesting, isn't it? Perhaps red book was his life mission. Thank you for bringing valuable info and wise people!
I wonder if the theme at the square or opposition will be more related to the gain of function research and the escape of virus' from labs. I'm amazed at how divisive and confusing this time frame was. Great podcast. 🙏❤
Ohh I’m so happy to have stumbled upon this video! :) This is the form of astrology I am currently diving more into the last couple years, especially now that I have a mentor in this @Healerandthedreamerastrology , Martin. Helping me to integrate and utilize Liz Greene’s work even more. :) Thank you both fir this video! 🙏❣️
Dane Rudhyar used Jung's concepts as the foundation for his book "The Astrology of Personality". Which, if Im not mistaken, was a book that was pretty crucial to the development of astrology in modern age. Dane is constantly praising Jung as "the best psychologist that has lived".
My question always is what is the line between a psychic event and psychosis? The reality is it's a very fine line. I dare say the two cross more then people are willing to admit. I went through a psychotic break in 1994-95 soon after the Uranus-Neptune conjunction opposite my sun in Cancer and what I saw was very archetypal.
I also had the vision of flood (like Jung had) few weeks before european floods in 2016. It is just our natural ability that other animals have when they sense and flee in safe places before such desisters. Bust most of the people lost it through conditioning. Saturn is Jungs chart ruler AND first house planet squaring pluto within 0.5 degree. He had special sensibility when he had that flood vision during Saturn Pluto conj. 1914.
I want to make sense of this subject matter and topics discussed....yet it all flew over my head.... my situation of being a layman...lying down...and trying make sense of the beautiful words being spoken 🔥🎉🙏
Per the discussion on Saturn Return & when it returns to the natal sign/the orb/etc.. My natal Saturn is at 1 degree Aquarius so I'm one of those lucky ones that will get multiple transits back to back lol. I definitely started to feel the effects of my Saturn return early on, around Dec 2018 (Saturn was only 11 degrees Capricorn); however, my natal moon is at 9 degrees Aquarius, so around that time in 2018 was when I was have my Progressed Moon return and Progressed Moon had just conjunct the natal Saturn in April of 2018. Plus I have natal Uranus Neptune and North Node in Capricorn too so it was a big ole mess/party haha. But yeah I would say in my experience I felt the Saturn return effects very early on and I'm sure I'll continue to feel the effects for some time after. One could even look back to the most previous Saturn square of course, as Saturn was rounding the corner for the home stretch. That was a significant time of my life where I was really in tune with Saturnian principles of structure/dedication/systems then we kinda fell out of sync for 4-5 years and now are getting back on track. All interesting stuff and definitely comes down to where your other planets are and perhaps where the Progressed Moon is.
Maybe an inversion of how Plato is usually understood might be relevant. Rather than there being a multitude of real yet flawed perceived horses out there which are variously whole or damaged, beautiful or ugly etc, which each embodies the abstract essence of a divine horse form by which we recognize each as being 'a horse', instead perhaps, there is a singular perfect reality out there containing many - in their own unique way - "perfect horses", but it is our individual subjective perceptions of them which are the abstract, symbolic forms, variously beautiful or grotesque.
Love this discussion! I've been tracking the outer planetary cycles since 2011 when Uranus stationed direct in Aries. Many astrologers (notably to my ears Jessica Murray) made "predictions" about the Uranus Pluto square years that bore out. I'm also curious if anyone made predictions about 2020, or Pluto's movement into Capricorn? Especially in the early 2000's or late 90's. Does anyone have any resources in that direction. Thanks.
That's a fascinating talk! Thank you to you both. I think I found my kind of astrology. (curiously, I had noticed in my own chart that the placements are not very telling. It's aspect which describe me, not the placements much...I had no idea Kepler also was of the same view! Refreshing to learn that)...However, I cannot help but correcting people, especially about politics: Becca mentioned that the problems in Middle East started because of Europeans drawing arbitrary borders. This is not the case. This is what US/Europe says to hide their very active and intentional war crimes in the region. The problem was European colonization of Palestine and creation of a new European colony (albeit with settling European Jewish families and formation of the apartheid Zionist state). Not to mention series of coups US and UK did in various countries in the region to remove progressive nationalist or socialist governments in the region (i.e. 1953 coup in Iran, 1960s coup in Iraq, 1970s coup in Afghanistan, etc.) in the context of cold war and/or domination over their natural resources. Not mention US&UK formation of Islamist terror groups such as Mujahedeen and Taliban in Afghanistan in the 70s and 80s, or formation of Alqadea and ISIS (again by US and UK) in recent years....Putting it the way Becca did, implies these wars were organically happened because of land disputes. This could not be further from Truth. US and UK (and the rest of Western countries who act as US satraps) went/and still go out of their way, to actively create war in the region, either directly or via their mercenaries.
Absolutely! Most people in the west view history through an overly simplistic lens because they were taught with the purpose being to get them to pass a test. The main problem being, everyone believes they understand history, and noone has a clue what was actually going on and only know the results. Even professional historians are clueless when it comes to most historical events. If you want to be a historian, you NEED to be very specialized in a particular time. For example, many people are ww2 specialists. Many are Roman specialists. The problems occure when non specialists try to tell a specialist that what they know is wrong, and that's just the internet now.
This is actually the first podcast I listened to of this show and I’m marking it to revisit it before the end of the year. Because it’s near Halloween and it’s relevant; if you’ve ever seen theories of the shining (kubrick) related to Jung’s red book, this is my fault because I wrote a draft maybe a decade ago, forgot, then it started going viral where I deleted it. It somehow still exists. The “red book” isn’t the red book because it wasn’t published yet and reading it, conflict of reception is understandable, but kubrick had placements to explain the movie like catcher in the rye early on where it’s more about archetypal possession/projection than supernatural phenomenon. Characters swapped like Jack is his father, Wendy his mother and Danny is the inner golden child wrapped up in Campbell’s monomyth. Of course, the synchronicity of the shining referring to John Lennon and Lennon being killed by a person obsessed by catcher in the rye the same year the film was released is surprisingly not a conspiracy theory; a friend into the room 237 documentary wanted my weird Jungian angle on the movie and I was surprised to see red book (which is actually a hotel book) turned directly at the camera and much of the film is taken directly from man and his symbols. Personal story related to this video; Jung was pushed on me for years by friends who are psychologists because I discussed my Saturn return which was simultaneous with Pluto transiting my Neptune where I actively engaged with my inner narratives and analyzing dreams similar to red book. I discussed it more than writing them down. Reading Jung was disorienting because I reached similar conclusions while his work filled in gaps, I just haven’t completely “integrated” it yet. I deleted the essays because they were incomplete drafts but a criticism is Jack is misogynistic which is stated in the film by room 237 where you have a sort of Greek siren as an undeveloped anima who he’s repulsed by when she ages which gives insight into his violent behavior afterwards. Elysian Fields has an interesting song called lame lady of the highway similar to this archetype; kind of a siren and succubus. Looking forward to catching up on your shows and I like the addition of chapters.
Because I mistook this episode for another where I discovered I downloaded but didn’t listen, I’ll leave a comment because this was outstanding. I studied Jung eventually after using Jungian analysis related to dreams without knowing it while close friends repeatedly suggested to; I’m stubborn. Jung’s connection to new age philosophy is why I refused to which is why I probably felt a strong connection to him once I actually read his actual writings; I also sympathized with him. I’ll state my own experience is different which is important because I didn’t have a religious or have a mythology background where Red Book didn’t connect despite obvious similarities; many people likely have these experiences and may view it must be religious or mythological; all that matters is the archetype of the individual. My own, others said were prophetic while made respectful jokes about it because it was obviously personal/subjective, but also said “unless there’s a respiratory disease, the United States starts to burn, and race riots break out there’s nothing to worry about..” and, then I started being more serious. Others viewed them as nightmares and I’d say I was never scared by them, I enjoyed them while also concerned I was both bored and lifeless. I’d describe them as zombie apocalypse due to a later surge in movies and tv shows, but the dreams started in 2005 which was before that popular motif started taking off. They weren’t zombies, but similar and it was like a civil war instigated by healthy people paranoid about being infected with a virus where people infected were gradually mutating over a span of 5 years (they declined in occurrence around 2011). The sick didn’t want to hurt anyone, but it became violent from self protection then escalated. My part was not being afraid and being dragged around with healthy people being healthy myself against my will until I stopped which led to the infamous anima dream which, oddly, was reciting basics of Jungian analysis which she said “I don’t need to tell you, you already know”. They ended. Astrologically, what was happening? I looked closer due to this episode. Tarnas asking the question at the end was coincidentally helpful here. Saturn returned to my 12th house to transit my sun and Mercury (Leo) which wasn’t my official Saturn return (yet), Pluto was in direct transit with my natal Neptune (Sagittarius r) and Neptune in its transit was direct with my Aquarius moon. I usually don’t factor nodes but they were oddly flipped (pisces/virgo) on my virgo pisces 1st/7th. Uranus transit of 7th. The Jungian archetype of the “zombie” does fit related to leprosy of the soul which is the “Everyman” which was my fear and what I feared happening in my life feeling “dragged around” into it unwillingly while being lifeless and passive; that was the inner myth narrative. Some relate the zombie popularity to smart phones/social media which may me partially true in the sense of detachment of everyday life addicted to need of acceptance; the “Everyman” aspect. I’ll eventually state as a cynical joke that all it means is a missed opportunity to make a lot of money since the walking dead was written around then and made a lot of money. As said here, it was inspired by collective fears of waking up to a world that no longer exists and trying to get it back. Another book made into a tv series called The Leftovers (which is amazing) was at the same time and inspired by the same collective anxiety. Watch the leftovers today, it’s kind of scary. It proves a point in that what Jung experienced that he may have felt shame and fear of is something that happens more frequently than we pay attention to. What these myths have in common is a desire, not for the world to end, but loss of community and feeling life has purpose which is likely due to the collective illusions wearing off where life feels pointless. There’s a myth that we rise to adversity, but we actually rise after the fact when it’s too late. What the popularity of these shows actually showed me outside of my cynical joke is the walking dead didn’t raise any awareness or help anyone outside of entertainment so I didn’t miss out on anything which is a reflection of Jupiter in cancer in the 11th. I love and have always excelled in the arts, but it’s not the vessel for positive enrichment of lives. That Jupiter placement is a bummer. 😝. I’ll end with why I get pulled into astrology like a baby - kicking and screaming - are due to these exact scenarios. Before knowing my chart I actually knew many details intuitively and ended up doing them anyways. Fascinating episode that deserved a thorough response. A more direct end; the dreams never bothered me (were fun) because people want change and be hopeful for the future feeling there’s purpose. It’s an opportunity and there will be growing pains of course.
Timestamps for different parts of the episode:
🪐00:02:06 - What is an archetype?
🪐00:21:17 - The Archai Journal
🪐00:36:00 - Jung and the Red Book
🪐01:07:15 - Outer planet cycles
Hey! So I'm having a hard time hearing what she's saying around 28:35. Is it keplarian/ cepplarian astrology? I'm really curious because I actually formed my own conclusions around that type of astrology without even knowing there was a branch that focused on it. I think aspects and planetary archetypes are really important in astrology because they are unchanging. House systems and Vedic vs western etc.. creates the variation in how to interpret it. Anyways. Yes, can you help me with the name here please? I've tried googling but I am not spelling it right. I'd love to learn more!
@@for_your_entertainment She was talking about the astrology of Johannes Kepler, who focused on aspects and didn't use the zodiac.
@@TheAstrologyPodcast Thank you so much I appreciate it!
First time that I see the video version✨ and from 49 min on as Becca is talking about the spectrum of reality and imagination the color of Becca's frame changes into this pretty interesting spectrum of light🌈 The archetypes literally manifested over the video💖 one of my faves videos of late, thank you both for this enchanting exchange🙏🌸
I'm in the stage of my life where I'm realizing that I want to go to grad school, and hearing about the California Institute of Integral studies feels like a huge sign. Everything mentioned in this podcast completely enamored me and I'm excited to take the next step!
Outstanding!!! Mundane astrology and the influence of the outer planets are my fields of special interest as an astrologer. This conversation could have continued for several more hours and I would have been a very happy listener.
agreed!
Sometimes it gets a little annoying (not just in this video, just as a phenomenon) when people say nothing happened on the day of the Saturn-Pluto conjunction. Things are not only important when they affect US-Americans. COVID-19 already affected masses in China and upturned societal rhythms there since mid-January. To say that nothing happened when Saturn and Pluto conjoined erases that this disease had already taken the lives of many people in the world months before US Americans started paying attention or taking it seriously. It's important to decolonize the view of time. Not to negate the conversation about orbs but to use orbs to justify the delayed timeframe for coronavirus in the US definitely is a bit misguided when the first case of coronavirus was in late December!
I agree with this perspective completely. And in an earlier episode of the podcast Chris, Kelly, and Austin discussed how the first reported death from coronavirus in China (at the time of the recording at least) was January 11, the day before the exact alignment.
Also, when looking at the lives of individuals this is also the case-even for me personally, the day of the exact conjunction was particularly significant, on the day of but even more so in retrospect.
Thank you for bringing up this important point of decolonizing the view of time.
Thank you for this important discussion of Jungian archetypes and their expression as seen in the symbols of astrology. I find Ms.Tarnas to be mesmerizing and elucidating in her serene countenance and supreme fluency in this language of symbols. I absolutely loved her clarification that this way of seeing the chart allows for a layering and integration of other methods of interpretation, other schools of astrology - which is so very Jungian to me - allowing for that flow and reciprocity as well as allowing for the symbols to speak for themselves with the knowledge of the technical there as support. Very Saturn in Pisces in a way - providing structure for the mystical realm. Thank you both for an excellent interview.
Jung has North Node in Aries in the 3rd sign. Interesting, isn't it? Perhaps red book was his life mission.
Thank you for bringing valuable info and wise people!
Ohhh I really loved this... Becca i came across through Gordon White .. thank you Chris....great conversation 👍☀️🌟🌙
Excellent, well done Chris and Becca!
Chris 💙! nice to see you’re doing fine ! nice subject after listening to Alan the other day 💙
This is gold!! Thank you Chris and Becca.
wonderful talk. II started reading Jung years ago. The Red Book is incredible, love your take on all of this Becca and a great interview too.
Fascinating! Thank you, both, for a horizon-expanding discussion.
Wonderful and informative information. Thank you!
I loved this!! So informative.
I wonder if the theme at the square or opposition will be more related to the gain of function research and the escape of virus' from labs. I'm amazed at how divisive and confusing this time frame was. Great podcast. 🙏❤
Brilliant astrologer....🎉👍great session 🎉 nicely presented Chris🙏
Thank you for making really long content. ❤️
Is it possible to time stamp the conversation so we can click into it?
Ohh I’m so happy to have stumbled upon this video! :) This is the form of astrology I am currently diving more into the last couple years, especially now that I have a mentor in this @Healerandthedreamerastrology , Martin. Helping me to integrate and utilize Liz Greene’s work even more. :)
Thank you both fir this video! 🙏❣️
Ooooooooo she said Platonic Forms 😻
Dane Rudhyar used Jung's concepts as the foundation for his book "The Astrology of Personality". Which, if Im not mistaken, was a book that was pretty crucial to the development of astrology in modern age. Dane is constantly praising Jung as "the best psychologist that has lived".
My question always is what is the line between a psychic event and psychosis? The reality is it's a very fine line. I dare say the two cross more then people are willing to admit. I went through a psychotic break in 1994-95 soon after the Uranus-Neptune conjunction opposite my sun in Cancer and what I saw was very archetypal.
I also had the vision of flood (like Jung had) few weeks before european floods in 2016. It is just our natural ability that other animals have when they sense and flee in safe places before such desisters. Bust most of the people lost it through conditioning.
Saturn is Jungs chart ruler AND first house planet squaring pluto within 0.5 degree. He had special sensibility when he had that flood vision during Saturn Pluto conj. 1914.
I want to make sense of this subject matter and topics discussed....yet it all flew over my head.... my situation of being a layman...lying down...and trying make sense of the beautiful words being spoken 🔥🎉🙏
Loved this
Per the discussion on Saturn Return & when it returns to the natal sign/the orb/etc.. My natal Saturn is at 1 degree Aquarius so I'm one of those lucky ones that will get multiple transits back to back lol.
I definitely started to feel the effects of my Saturn return early on, around Dec 2018 (Saturn was only 11 degrees Capricorn); however, my natal moon is at 9 degrees Aquarius, so around that time in 2018 was when I was have my Progressed Moon return and Progressed Moon had just conjunct the natal Saturn in April of 2018. Plus I have natal Uranus Neptune and North Node in Capricorn too so it was a big ole mess/party haha. But yeah I would say in my experience I felt the Saturn return effects very early on and I'm sure I'll continue to feel the effects for some time after.
One could even look back to the most previous Saturn square of course, as Saturn was rounding the corner for the home stretch. That was a significant time of my life where I was really in tune with Saturnian principles of structure/dedication/systems then we kinda fell out of sync for 4-5 years and now are getting back on track. All interesting stuff and definitely comes down to where your other planets are and perhaps where the Progressed Moon is.
Nice talk
Maybe an inversion of how Plato is usually understood might be relevant. Rather than there being a multitude of real yet flawed perceived horses out there which are variously whole or damaged, beautiful or ugly etc, which each embodies the abstract essence of a divine horse form by which we recognize each as being 'a horse', instead perhaps, there is a singular perfect reality out there containing many - in their own unique way - "perfect horses", but it is our individual subjective perceptions of them which are the abstract, symbolic forms, variously beautiful or grotesque.
Love this discussion!
I've been tracking the outer planetary cycles since 2011 when Uranus stationed direct in Aries. Many astrologers (notably to my ears Jessica Murray) made "predictions" about the Uranus Pluto square years that bore out. I'm also curious if anyone made predictions about 2020, or Pluto's movement into Capricorn? Especially in the early 2000's or late 90's. Does anyone have any resources in that direction.
Thanks.
That's a fascinating talk! Thank you to you both. I think I found my kind of astrology. (curiously, I had noticed in my own chart that the placements are not very telling. It's aspect which describe me, not the placements much...I had no idea Kepler also was of the same view! Refreshing to learn that)...However, I cannot help but correcting people, especially about politics: Becca mentioned that the problems in Middle East started because of Europeans drawing arbitrary borders. This is not the case. This is what US/Europe says to hide their very active and intentional war crimes in the region. The problem was European colonization of Palestine and creation of a new European colony (albeit with settling European Jewish families and formation of the apartheid Zionist state). Not to mention series of coups US and UK did in various countries in the region to remove progressive nationalist or socialist governments in the region (i.e. 1953 coup in Iran, 1960s coup in Iraq, 1970s coup in Afghanistan, etc.) in the context of cold war and/or domination over their natural resources. Not mention US&UK formation of Islamist terror groups such as Mujahedeen and Taliban in Afghanistan in the 70s and 80s, or formation of Alqadea and ISIS (again by US and UK) in recent years....Putting it the way Becca did, implies these wars were organically happened because of land disputes. This could not be further from Truth. US and UK (and the rest of Western countries who act as US satraps) went/and still go out of their way, to actively create war in the region, either directly or via their mercenaries.
Absolutely! Most people in the west view history through an overly simplistic lens because they were taught with the purpose being to get them to pass a test. The main problem being, everyone believes they understand history, and noone has a clue what was actually going on and only know the results. Even professional historians are clueless when it comes to most historical events. If you want to be a historian, you NEED to be very specialized in a particular time. For example, many people are ww2 specialists. Many are Roman specialists. The problems occure when non specialists try to tell a specialist that what they know is wrong, and that's just the internet now.
This is actually the first podcast I listened to of this show and I’m marking it to revisit it before the end of the year. Because it’s near Halloween and it’s relevant; if you’ve ever seen theories of the shining (kubrick) related to Jung’s red book, this is my fault because I wrote a draft maybe a decade ago, forgot, then it started going viral where I deleted it. It somehow still exists. The “red book” isn’t the red book because it wasn’t published yet and reading it, conflict of reception is understandable, but kubrick had placements to explain the movie like catcher in the rye early on where it’s more about archetypal possession/projection than supernatural phenomenon. Characters swapped like Jack is his father, Wendy his mother and Danny is the inner golden child wrapped up in Campbell’s monomyth. Of course, the synchronicity of the shining referring to John Lennon and Lennon being killed by a person obsessed by catcher in the rye the same year the film was released is surprisingly not a conspiracy theory; a friend into the room 237 documentary wanted my weird Jungian angle on the movie and I was surprised to see red book (which is actually a hotel book) turned directly at the camera and much of the film is taken directly from man and his symbols. Personal story related to this video; Jung was pushed on me for years by friends who are psychologists because I discussed my Saturn return which was simultaneous with Pluto transiting my Neptune where I actively engaged with my inner narratives and analyzing dreams similar to red book. I discussed it more than writing them down. Reading Jung was disorienting because I reached similar conclusions while his work filled in gaps, I just haven’t completely “integrated” it yet. I deleted the essays because they were incomplete drafts but a criticism is Jack is misogynistic which is stated in the film by room 237 where you have a sort of Greek siren as an undeveloped anima who he’s repulsed by when she ages which gives insight into his violent behavior afterwards. Elysian Fields has an interesting song called lame lady of the highway similar to this archetype; kind of a siren and succubus. Looking forward to catching up on your shows and I like the addition of chapters.
Does anybody know what is the work on 'the role of the city of Prague in the astrological and transpersonal tradition', which Becca mentions at 34:25?
These Rock!
Wow
im halfway through that book
💘
Because I mistook this episode for another where I discovered I downloaded but didn’t listen, I’ll leave a comment because this was outstanding.
I studied Jung eventually after using Jungian analysis related to dreams without knowing it while close friends repeatedly suggested to; I’m stubborn. Jung’s connection to new age philosophy is why I refused to which is why I probably felt a strong connection to him once I actually read his actual writings; I also sympathized with him. I’ll state my own experience is different which is important because I didn’t have a religious or have a mythology background where Red Book didn’t connect despite obvious similarities; many people likely have these experiences and may view it must be religious or mythological; all that matters is the archetype of the individual.
My own, others said were prophetic while made respectful jokes about it because it was obviously personal/subjective, but also said “unless there’s a respiratory disease, the United States starts to burn, and race riots break out there’s nothing to worry about..” and, then I started being more serious. Others viewed them as nightmares and I’d say I was never scared by them, I enjoyed them while also concerned I was both bored and lifeless. I’d describe them as zombie apocalypse due to a later surge in movies and tv shows, but the dreams started in 2005 which was before that popular motif started taking off. They weren’t zombies, but similar and it was like a civil war instigated by healthy people paranoid about being infected with a virus where people infected were gradually mutating over a span of 5 years (they declined in occurrence around 2011). The sick didn’t want to hurt anyone, but it became violent from self protection then escalated. My part was not being afraid and being dragged around with healthy people being healthy myself against my will until I stopped which led to the infamous anima dream which, oddly, was reciting basics of Jungian analysis which she said “I don’t need to tell you, you already know”. They ended.
Astrologically, what was happening? I looked closer due to this episode. Tarnas asking the question at the end was coincidentally helpful here. Saturn returned to my 12th house to transit my sun and Mercury (Leo) which wasn’t my official Saturn return (yet), Pluto was in direct transit with my natal Neptune (Sagittarius r) and Neptune in its transit was direct with my Aquarius moon. I usually don’t factor nodes but they were oddly flipped (pisces/virgo) on my virgo pisces 1st/7th. Uranus transit of 7th. The Jungian archetype of the “zombie” does fit related to leprosy of the soul which is the “Everyman” which was my fear and what I feared happening in my life feeling “dragged around” into it unwillingly while being lifeless and passive; that was the inner myth narrative. Some relate the zombie popularity to smart phones/social media which may me partially true in the sense of detachment of everyday life addicted to need of acceptance; the “Everyman” aspect. I’ll eventually state as a cynical joke that all it means is a missed opportunity to make a lot of money since the walking dead was written around then and made a lot of money. As said here, it was inspired by collective fears of waking up to a world that no longer exists and trying to get it back. Another book made into a tv series called The Leftovers (which is amazing) was at the same time and inspired by the same collective anxiety. Watch the leftovers today, it’s kind of scary. It proves a point in that what Jung experienced that he may have felt shame and fear of is something that happens more frequently than we pay attention to. What these myths have in common is a desire, not for the world to end, but loss of community and feeling life has purpose which is likely due to the collective illusions wearing off where life feels pointless. There’s a myth that we rise to adversity, but we actually rise after the fact when it’s too late. What the popularity of these shows actually showed me outside of my cynical joke is the walking dead didn’t raise any awareness or help anyone outside of entertainment so I didn’t miss out on anything which is a reflection of Jupiter in cancer in the 11th. I love and have always excelled in the arts, but it’s not the vessel for positive enrichment of lives. That Jupiter placement is a bummer. 😝.
I’ll end with why I get pulled into astrology like a baby - kicking and screaming - are due to these exact scenarios. Before knowing my chart I actually knew many details intuitively and ended up doing them anyways.
Fascinating episode that deserved a thorough response.
A more direct end; the dreams never bothered me (were fun) because people want change and be hopeful for the future feeling there’s purpose. It’s an opportunity and there will be growing pains of course.