I personally think that had Sam Raimi been given full creative control for SM3 (like he should have been), I think Thomas Haiden Church's Sandman would've turned out even more amazing and he'd be on the same level as Alfred Molinas Doc Ock and Willem Dafoes Gobin in terms of greatness.
I think he still is though. The Sandman origin scene might be the best scene in any Spider-Man movie and I always thought that Sandman was actually a more compelling villain than Green Goblin and Doc Ock. But that's just my preference. It hurts to see how generic Sandman is in No Way Home. He has zero character in that movie.
It felt like I was watching An anniversary video. Your Spider-Man versus videos have been amazing, From discovering your first Spider-Man versus video back in 2018 to the conclusion was a great ride.
To counter one of the criticism’s in this video, doctor strange explained that he contained the spell but some “squeaked through” implying that a small number of people who knew Spider-Man came though but due to the spell being contained not everyone came through which explains why others like Harry, Gwen or alternate MJ are not there. Peter 2 being awkward is in character.
I wish they had made No Way Home a 2 parter. The spell just felt awfully contrived for me. It can erase peoples memories but also requires Strange to manipulate time, space, and the multiverse to do so. Why? I heard originally America Chavez was supposed to open the multiverse for him accidentally and tbh that would've made more sense than Strange doing it.
@@american1207 The film's 3rd act was in a bit of flux for a little while because of a mix of the pandemic & who they could get to come back. The pandemic also affected the production of Doctor Strange 2, as it was supposed to come out first. When DS2 was delayed due to that, Sony & Disney used reshoots to reverse where they take place in regards to continuity. Parts of the movie also feel a bit rushed due to not properly explaining things with the magic, or things coming off as contradictory. Also, the spell doesn't manipulate time, space, & the multiverse. It works on a universal scale to erase memories & physical proof that something happened. With how badly Peter was causing Strange to fuck it up, since Strange said it was delicate, the spell couldn't properly be cast, so something fucked up & the barriers between universes started to break down because of that. That's why that started happening. As a result, it fucked up so badly that it started pulling in people who know Peter Parker is Spider-Man from other universes in the few seconds before Strange contained it & why the second spell stopped the universal breakdown & sent the villains & other Spider-Men home. It's tied intrinsically to people's minds, so it makes sense that the second spell would solve the problem by cutting off the reason why the other people would've come to the MCU by making people forget that Peter is Spider-Man. As for America Chavez, yeah, it might've been a bit better, but it's not like what they did instead doesn't make sense.
@@Scsigs I get erasing people's memory but then it also teleports like 10 dudes from other universes across different time lines. Teleportation is manipulating space, and ripping dead people from the past is the manipulation of time. Both manipulate the multiverse. The spell just makes no sense. What does manipulating consciousness on earth have to do with time, space, and the multiverse? It's just an overly complicated, convoluted spell. Why does strange need to access and manipulate the minds and lives of all these things and trillions upon trillions of beings and planets just to mind wipe 1 planet? It's like they had 2 stories here but decided to cram it into 1. The film should either tackle Peter's identity or the multiverse, not half ass both of them.
@@american1207 I literally said the spell wasn't what brought the villains & 2 other Spider-Men into the MCU. The spell just momentarily weakened the inter-dimensional barriers that the multiverse has due to how it was being fucked with. Strange changing the spell on the fly as he was made it go haywire. It was then tied to people knowing Peter's Spider-Man because of how the spell was supposed to work & they were transported to the MCU. THAT'S how they were dragged into the MCU. Through how we see in the film where they show up, clearly they were teleported to where they showed up from where they were because the dimensional barriers were momentarily weakened. The time travel aspect, I can give you that it doesn't make any sense. I can't find any real way to justify it & I hope they give an explanation for it in the future because it needs one. I can overlook it personally because I like what it gave us, but it's a plot hole that never gets addressed even in a throwaway piece of dialogue & no one questions it. It also doesn't make sense how Otto knew Osborne was Green Goblin or how Sandman knew Green Goblin died by his own glider because it's a big plot point in SM2 that Harry didn't even know. I really wish they either rewrote those scenes (like having Tobey's Peter explain Osborne's death, as he was the only one of them who'd know, or have Strange do a spell to see how they died), or something to make them better. Well, in regards to Peter's identity & the multiverse, how they wanted it to go, I think, is fine. The film has a solid start to it & has a strong ending, as well as is pretty strong most of the way through. Where it falters is bits of the logic involved with the magic & everything that make you question things as opposed to being solid & you can go along for the ride with it. Like, Endgame is a bit wonky at times, but is more structurally sound when it comes to the logic so you don't question any of it. Unless you get confused by how the time travel is supposed to work, but I blame that on how some of the dialogue was written when they explained how the alternate timelines thing works & how the film presents how removing the stones from the new timelines will doom them as the source of confusion as opposed to the internal consistency of the time travel itself, as it's otherwise consistent within the film itself. That was long, sorry. TL;DR, the movie's got a good basis for the plot & story, but falters in the consistency of the logic of the magic & some of the characters that cause them to not make as much sense as they should.
@@Scsigs the spell was botched by strange and it's his spell that manipulates space, time, and the multiverse in an attempt to manipulate the consciousness of 1 planet. It just makes no sense. I get why the writers wrote it like that because it was the quickest way and they couldn't really think of a more organic way but it just comes across as convoluted, rushed, and lazy. I find what ignites the plot to be lazy and make no sense and when we get to the meat of the story it's just rushed and tbh it looks bad. Also the humor just didn't work for me so overall I didn't have a good time with really anything other than Willem Dafoe in the apartment. I did like the very ending after the 3rd act fight but I more so like the idea of it then the execution. Good place to end but just such a mess getting here and it's 1 of the marvel movies I can't really see myself ever rewatching. And Peter is just very annoying throughout the whole film.
For the Tobey entering the portal criticism, could be that he's teamed up w Dr Strange in his universe already and has experienced a lot more in his universe over the years which is why he isn't as surprised or shocked.
I don't think so when it comes to Dr. Strange cuz he really doesn't exist in Tobey's universe. It was just a throwaway line that leads to no where in Spider-Man 2. Not only that but if a Dr. Strange exists in his universe and if Tobey did ended up teaming up with him, then why he didn't bring it up when he literally sees a Dr. Strange in the MCU. I mean Tobey has the most experience over the years of being Spider-Man throughout his movies. Plus he comes into the MCU years after Spider-Man 3. Why should he be so shocked and surprised when he's basically depicted as this older, wiser Peter Parker/Spider-Man?? It's really fitting for his character.
Tobey's Spidey is probably used to seeing random magic related shit all the time, so he's just normal. I mean, we didn't see him for 14 years. So he probably teamed up with Strange, and saw all other villians causing chaos.
While I really like No Way Home, this video made me notice some of the problems, particularly with the first act, that I kinda glanced over in previous viewings because I really enjoyed the movie. I still do, but you made some solid points of criticism and I think the ideas that you gave would've made the movie a lot better and helped make it feel less like a "typical" MCU movie You did a fantastic job with these Spider-Man VS. videos and I ended up agreeing with your opinions more than I thought I would. And just like with the previous one, even though this video is 40+ minutes, it doesn't feel that long at all
I think Tobey's Peter acting so casually about the portal opening up for him is due to him being like, "Well I've seen a lot of weird shit in my day, so..."
i love all 3 of these movies in each their own right. ITSV is just a masterpiece of a film, NWH is ultimately my second favourite theater experience (After endgame and tied with infinity war) and Spider-Man 3 is genuinely the funniest movie of all time and i'm being dead serious
Eric what was your theater experience in no way home? Because that is definitely the best part of the movie. The experience!!!! Watching it with other people, cheering when you see the nostalgia, smiling when you get a reference from a different project, it was all in this movie. The theater experience is by far the best part and I would love to rewatch it in the theater for the e first time again.
Same here. I still enjoyed the movie when I re-watch it at home but the joy of being part of all of the eruptions in the theater when Tobey and Andrew showed up is something that can't be replicated. Even though I knew what was coming I still erupted with joy and cheers and that feeling was amazing
Honestly, I loved my theater experience with this film. Sure, there are stuff that pops out oddly nowadays in regards to the production behinds the film, but I definitely had a lot of reactions I can remember at certain moments in the film.
I'm gonna disagree with you with the way they used the pop and hip Hop songs in into the spiderverse. I thought it matched with Miles Character. And when they combined both near the end, it made it feel that something new was added to his character. That being the orchestral music (the new) being added with the hiphop and pop (the old)
Although I disagree with some of your NWH takes, I do rescept your opinion though and I will admit NWH does have some problems with it's story. Btw love the video! You did a fantastic job with this video, so keep up what you're doing!
I think that the main idea is that Peter does face consequences by public opinion. This affects his life and his friends and families lives to the point where they have to live in Happy’s armored apartment and are constantly looked at in public. It also gets his friends rejected from college, which may not be an issue for Peter but definitely an issue for his friends.
I actually think that the implementation of hip-hop and trap into the Spiderverse soundtrack is what made the music in the film so phenomenal, but I get what you mean. The use of "scared of the dark" with vocals felt wrong to use after Peter A's death, and the gag with "Start a Riot" broke the pacing of a pretty important moment with some unneeded comedy.
Regarding May, in NWH, they shove in our faces the fact that May “helps people”. They even go as far as copying Insomniac’s Aunt May motto: “If you help someone, you help everyone”. MCU’s May DID NOT EARN THIS. We see a hint of her being generous to others in FFH during the first scene i believe, and then her job in F.E.A.S.T, but that was it. In 3 movies they couldn’t show more, done more, have proper development of May’s altruistic ideals, etc. It’s something that SUDDENLY occurred in NWH and felt completely unearned. May’s “moral mission” mentioned in NWH made no sense to me whatsoever because it wasn’t shown in the previous 2 movies AT ALL. Her character is awful, her motivations are everywhere, she is not the beacon of morality that Peter needs as Spider-Man, and her fate could have been more impactful, but she was treated as a joke character for the first two movies and rushed for the third one.
Fantastic video Eric!! It was more than worth the wait! Even though I loved No Way Home and I do disagree with a few things that you said about it, I understand that it’s your opinion. But overall, this is probably one of your best videos. Well done!!!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Well they actually explain why venom was brought into the mcu in the venom 2 post credit scene. All symbiotes share a hivemind. So he would have access to Topher Grace's memories.
But they are symbiotes from different multiverse, so how come they share the same memories? Is like they just try to explain but still not making any sense.
@@EricCarter12 you are a hater of no way home just admit it because when you said Peter and harry teamed up in spider man 3 and forgot how to work as a team first off tobeys Peter was younger when that happened and it wasn’t a team they just worked together to save Mary Jane from venom and sandman and harry literally tried to kill Peter he did save him i know that but the harry killing Peter part was true and tobey and Andrew were great there characters were the exact same don’t give me the oh there making much jokes tobeys Peter wasn’t even quipy in his movies he made a few here and there but he so serious and Andrew literally cracked jokes in his movie and you didnt complain and spider man is meant to make jokes it’s part of his character your just blinded by nostalgia I can tell no way home doesn’t need a 7 out of 10 it needs at least a 9 and daredevil just made a cameo thats all and a court scene is what you wanted why probably because you just like daredevil too much and wanted one in the movie just please stop it and spidervearse is a good movie but even that has problems like literally what ever is perfect just please stop hating and nitpicking all the time for uncessesary things that didn’t need to be in the movie because it would have made it much more longer there nuff said Eric
The problem with Spider-Man 3 has nothing to do with Sam Raimi. It was due to Sony, specifically Avi Arad(The Bastard) that forced him to include the Venom and Symbiote Storyline. So he tried to make the best use of cramming 2 stories into 1, and while it succeed in some regards, it failed in much more. If only Sam could of done the Spider-Man 3 he wanted to do.
4:17 the reason Mj Gwen and both Harrys didn’t get sucked into the MCU was because Peter left the people that he’s really close to out of the spell so they could still remember him while everyone else in nyc forgot who Peter was EDIT: All 3 of Tom’s movies are his origin story
1: The spell (Runes of Kof-Kol) travels the dark borders between known and unknown reality to work. 2: I'm pretty sure not everyone came through because it was contained and only a few of them had actually managed to squeak through, + there was more coming through into the MCU that had to be stopped.
I get that u may have not liked how the Spider-Men have been handled in No way home, but why didn’t you talk about scenes like Andrew saving Mj or Tobey stopping Toms Spiderman from killing Green goblin. Those were great scenes and connected back to their previous films. I feel like you mainly focused on the bad for Tobey and missed the other great scenes they had
We could conclude the point that why both Harrys, Mary Jane, Gwen, Captain Stacy, Raimi's Venom didn't come through because before they could come into the MCU, Strange contained the spell leaving only the villains and Peter 2 and 3 in this universe. As for why Electro came through, I can't really say much but my theory is that Max said himself that he was stuck in the grid absorbing data before dying so he could figured out Spider-Man's identity through digital data (maybe) hence making him one of those who knew Spider-Man's identity.
1. Andrew & Tobey's Peters knew about how they were in the MCU through their Spider-Senses, which is also why they started shooting webs at each other. Tobey's Peter even has the line, "I have this sense that he (MCU Peter) needs my help," referencing it. Same with Andrew's Peter with him saying, _"Our_ help." Not only that, but they got dragged in right as their villains were as well, NYC has places like Time's Square where they broadcast things like breaking news, & it's shown that the Daily Bugle has connections to be able to broadcast their news livestreams on to those screens & other news organizations in the city would also be covering them to a lesser extent. We see MCU Peter watching 1 of the broadcasts after his fight with Green Goblin in Happy's apartment building & losing his Aunt May. I agree that it should've been made a bit more explicit in the dialogue, but it's not like you can't put 2 & 2 together, dude. 2. The writers threw around the idea of bringing in Mary Jane, Gwen, & even the other 2 Aunt Mays while writing the movie. However, COVID restricted some of the people they could get in the movie &/or how they could've shot scenes with them. This is why Sandman only appears in his sand form, Lizard is in his mutated form, & why when they're transformed back to human, they reused the original blue screen footage from SM3 & TASM2 while Thomas Haden Church & Rhys Ifans provided voice acting for them. They were unable to be on the sets for actual shooting due to the pandemic. 3. You say the MCU movies can't be smart...but other MCU movies exist that are. The Captain America sequels, I'll say Iron Man 3 tried to be pretty smart, & even Infinity War & Endgame were more than just the regular fun MCU movies. Hell, even Black Panther. 4. How is Peter taking his mask off in front of people when his secret identity is already revealed supposed to create consequences when he's already passed those? 5. The villains agreed to go along with Peter's plan to cure them & he has his Spider-Sense, which warns him about the Goblin coming out in the scene in Happy's apartment. How is his aunt exactly in danger when he can leap to action to protect her at any moment? 6. I very much disagree that Tom's Peter didn't have character arcs in Homecoming or Far From Home & don't understand how anyone missed what they were trying to do there. 7. The scene of them discussing their villains & shit is charming & funny. I don't get how you can hate that one. 8. How in a movie where the entire point is to develop the main protagonist would you expect them to develop 5 villains? I mean, maybe a few, but I don't see it when that's not the intention of the film. I also don't understand how you can just ignore the great character development the movie gave Andrew's Peter. 9. Stark's nanotech pairs to Doc Ock's arms because he rips off part of the suit, the nanotech get absorbed & incorporated into the arms, & sync with the tentacles' A.I. Peter's then able to pair the remote control in his suit with them. It's actually kinda smart because it's never stated they can't do this, but it's nanotech & can form into a lot of different things, so I don't get this complaint. 10. Spider-Man has a healing factor. In this movie, when he gets blown up, he's shown limping over to May afterwards. His head didn't take any amount (or at least a lot) of the blast, so that adds up. And, Tobey's Peter took a lot of damage, but also clearly had a healing factor in SM1. Plus, he wasn't bleeding beforehand. Tom's Peter _was._
@ Noah Ashtrex Same. Like, I don't think it's improv-ed, but there's a nice improv-ed feeling to it, like how Robert Downey Jr. delivered most of his lines as Tony Stark. Like, I don't understand not liking moments like that. In a crossover like this, you WANT all those kinds of interactions. I personally felt the movie should've been a good 20 minutes longer just so we got more of shit like that. As well as to iron out some plot stuff so there weren't as many logic holes & inconsistencies, as well as stuff that went unexplained. Maybe we'll get that with the extended cut coming out, but who knows?
@@Scsigs I agree with everything except for number 8. His main problem is that none of them except the Green Goblin were given clear motivations, which I think is fair. The movie should still give the villains motivations even if it is trying to develop the protagonist.
@@justoons2949 The way I heard what he said, it sounded like he expected full-on character arcs for all of the villains on top of their motivations not being that clear or being confusing or contradictory. While I can understand the criticisms around the villains either not doing much other than being there, or their motives being confusing, I don't think it's good to expect full arcs for every villain.
They did try to explain how Tom Hardy's Venom briefly ended up in the MCU but I call "bullshit" Apparently the symbiote have this interconnected signal that can reach though out the Multiverse to other symbiotes. So even though, Tom Hardy's Venom never knew a Peter Parker, Topher Grace's Venom has, and it's because of this, it's how Tom Hardy's Venom knew. That's why at the end of Venom: Let There Be Carnage, Venom refers to Tom Holland's Spider-Man as "that guy."
I hate how the fight in No Way Home is shot in complete darkness and has no color. Spiderman 3 had a much better looking fight and can see everything Also, Spiderman 3 had way better action figures
Although Venom was forced into Spider-Man 3 by Sony, Sam Raimi still did a good job in telling the story he wanted. The symbiote works in that film as a little representation of addiction and Peter's bad side.
I think GG is phenomenal but everything else was just meh to me. The movie moves way too fast for my liking without properly developing the villains, the story, the motivations. And I didn't find the final fight to be that appealing or engaging it just looked kinda ugly to me.
I'm just realising that I've been keeping up with you for over 3 years now, including watching another Spiderman versus video come out. Wow, time flies! Best the luck with you for many more videos and years to come!
@@alp5439 But the person that created the symbiotes "knull" is a god that prob exists in the MCU becuase "all black the necrosword" the sword Gorrs using in Thor 4. Was created by knull who used the sword to kill the celestial "knowwhere" decapitating him
Tobey and Andrew were looking for Tom's Spider-Man the whole time by their spider sense and eventually would've ran into each other Ned just happened to open portals to both of them to where they were
Yeah and they also 1 v 1 each other because of their spider senses going off just like in Into the Spider Verse when Miles met Spider-Man for the first time.
@@davidgordillo6583 yeah also before that Tobey mentioned he saw MJ and Ned showing he's been looking for him for the last 24 hrs as this takes place over a couple of days or so
@@elishawilson5342 Right? It just baffled me that Eric said that Maguire's Spider-Man and Garfield's Spider-Man didn't explain how they got into the MCU because they clearly did. Even Garfield's Spider-Man talked about the theory of the multiverse a bit.
Electro does know Peter is Spiderman he just didn't know what he looked like. In the climax Gwen call's Peter by his name in front of Electro. If you don't believe me then watch the climax
13:00. When I was kid I cried for harry when he died and today when I saw aunt may died I just feel sad. Note. When you get bigger your emotional will be bigger too cause you will understand things more so yeah.
"Don't know what this is about" What? It's clear it's just Tobey-Peter and Andrew-Peter realizing the other is Spider-Man through their Spider Sense and to confirm it they decided to have a little showdown for the hell of it. It's basically just them greeting each other in their own Spider-Man way.
The reason that Gwen and Harry wasn't in now way home was because Doctor strange stop the spell before more people came in the universe. But it is dumb that electro is in there
Funny how while Spider-man: No Way Home was struggling to finish its visual effects, Tom Cruise was flying real F/A-18E/F Super Hornets for Top Gun: Maverick. What did you think of that film?
I'll take a messy but single-focused & character driven story (Spider-Man 3) over a convoluted crossover driven by nostalgia (NWH) any day of the week.
Yeah I know its late but if you watched film theory, there is a reason for why electro got brought in that make a little more sense. During the electro fight when Gwen shows up and discuss a plan with peter, there's and instance where Gwen actually calls Spider-man Peter and we cut to electro waking up. It's questionable, but that might have implied that electro learned about peters real first name during a brief moment of consciousness thus bringing him into the fray. I doubt the writers thought of this when bringing him in but it shines a better light on why.
I agree, because when Maguire's Spider-Man said he hasn't been in a team before, I think he meant he hasn't been in big team before. Also, I didn't agree with Eric's points of the Spider-Men talking to each other before the climatic battle because their interaction felt so genuine and realistic and I actually liked how Maguire's Spider-Man told Garfield's Spider-Man that he was amazing. I found that really wholesome.
@@aamiraustin5422 Yep, while I agree with some/ maybe most of his problems with NWH, the rest of it feels overly nitpicky. While I do enjoy Spider-Man 3 as a mixed-bag enjoyable film (though the weakest of the trilogy), NWH wins in terms of story & character over Spider-Man 3. I can agree with Into The Spider-Verse winning almost every segment tho.
@@bro-be3bd Honestly if I were to rank all the Spidey Films from best to worst & with a graded score, it would be this 1. Spider-Man 2 (2004)= 10/10= A+ 2. Spider-Man (2002)= 10/10= A+ 3. Spider-Man: No Way Home (2021)= 9.5/10= A 4. Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse (2018) =9.5/10=A 5. Spider-Man: Far From Home (2019)= 8/10= A- 6. Spider-Man: Homecoming (2017)= 8/10= A- 7. The Amazing-Spider-Man (2012)= 7.5/10= B+ 8. Spider-Man 3 (2007)= 7/10= B 9. Venom: Let There Be Carnage (2021)= 7/10= B 10. Spider-Man (1977)= 6.5/10= B- 11. The Amazing-Spider-Man 2 (2014)= 6/10= C+ 12. Spider-Man Strikes Back (1978)= 5/10= C- 13. Venom (2018)= 5/10= C- 14. Spider-Man: The Dragon's Challenge (1979)= 4/10= D 15. Morbius (2022)= 20/10= A++++++++.
I will say that I love how Willem Dafoe wears fake teeth when he’s Norman Osborn but shows his regular teeth when the Green Goblin takes over. That was a detail that they used in the original Sam Raimi Spider-Man movie and I love that they brought it back.
In Spider-Man no way home the reason that Peter Parker‘s girlfriends, best friends, and aunts did not come throw the multiverse was because he specifically said in the spell to exclude them.
No way home is more of a theater experience than a movie. And it’s such an amazing theater experience like endgame or infinity war. When I finished watching it for the first time it was my favorite Spider-Man movie but after a while i saw it as what it is. A good Spider-Man film with an amazing ending and amazing nostalgia. I personally would rank this as 1. Spider-Man 3 2. ITTSV 3. No way home.
To be fair, the reason Mary Jane, Harry Osborne, Gwen Stacy, and others who knew Spider Man's identity weren't pulled in because remember when Peter was screwing with the spell, he said, "except for MJ, except for Ned" and stuff. So maybe when he said that, the spell excluded girlfriends and best friends etc.
Concept art for No Way Home showed that America Chavez was going to be in this movie and apparently she was going to bring the other 2 Spider men into the MCU but she was cut because her actress couldn't attend filming due to COVID restrictions. Do you think America's involvement could've made the film a little better?
That really depends tbh. America Chavez wasn’t a part of the MCU until Multiverse of Madness and she fits well there. If M.O.M was released before NWH, then I think it would’ve been better if she was the one to bring the other spider man instead of Ned.
I thought all 3 of these films were great, and I think into the Spider Verse was the best out of the three, also there will be a sequel for Spider-Man into the Spider Verse, into the Spider Verse 2, so I cannot wait for the sequel for the Spider Verse.
I read civil war yesterday the comic book, and in that comic they take peters identity more serious. Peter reveals his identity to the whole world on tv after talking to his wife, MJ, and that actually gets him into problems with tony stark when he switches from tony side to caps side. Tony mentions how he can’t just escape when everyone knows he’s been Spider-Man since he was 15 and how controversial the whole thing will be. That’s just some examples of Spider-Man’s identity taken seriously in the comics while no way home seems to fumble with the whole idea of it.
In my opion, no way home has terrible cinmatagraphy. The rain shot was the only good shot. The batman was affected by covid, and it was wonderfully shot. LED screens should be used more.
I agree with the point of Electro coming in, but I really disagree with your point about Mary Jane and the Harry's not coming through with the spell. They MIGHT'VE came through but they didn't make any kind of presence to alert the Spider-Men to their appearance. Well yeah they're not trying to be on the level of the Dark Knight or the Daredevil series. They're meant to be fun comic book movies with tons of emotion through the characters. Strange is arrogant and overconfident as hell and his ego definitely increased after he was the sole reason the Avengers found the one way at defeating Thanos. It was until Multiverse of Madness were his ego and overconfidence began to fade out. Saying "how does a cartoon have smarter writing than live-action" is just insulting to animated films like the Kung Fu Panda trilogy and the HTTYD trilogy. Cartoons can have smart writing but it doesn't mean live-action is worse. You could technically count Tony Stark as his first real loss. Tom Holland had zero development in Homecoming and Far From Home? Seriously? Oh great, you're one of THOSE people who believe in the Iron Boy Jr crap. Come on, how did you not like the talk on the scaffolding between the Spider-Men? You also are soundly pretty pretentious. Suddenly Otto is affected by the MCU formula because they slipped up once? Sandman didn't turn evil. He was just incredibly paranoid. He saw that everything in the apartment was going to shit so he wanted no part in it and left. He then joined the villains at the end because he believed that would've been the quickest way to get the box and be sent home. If he had joined Peter in the end, it would've taken even longer than he wanted because Peter would've "wasted time" trying to cure the other villains. BRO, They literally mention in the Venom post credits that the symbiote have a hivemind connection across universes. This also means that Venom would've known that Peter is Spider-Man because of Spider-Man 3. Again, you're appearing very pretentious and nitpicky around the MCU projects. "He died in MJ's lap, not your arms." WHO CARES? Peter and Harry's team-up was 17 years ago in the timeline. Tobey getting stabbed meant that there was nobody stopping Tom from continuing to kill the Goblin. It was all his decision from then on and nobody was stopping him because the only people who could are too far away or have been stabbed. Bro, you never even talked about the ending! Literally almost everything good about NWH you just brushed over it with a quick line. The talk on the rooftop. The final 15 minutes. Otto's redemption. Literally anything to do with Electro. They couldn't get Rhys Ifans or Thomas Hayden Church on set to film new footage because of COVID. They were able to provide voice work. What's wrong with the pop and hip hop in Spider-Verse? Sorry for this rant, but judging by all your videos over the past few years, you come off as incredibly biased and pretentious against the MCU. Hell, you didn't even like the two Guardians films.
He didn't like the first two guardian movies?, like 2 I can kind of understand it's got a bit too much humor at times but the first one was a big surprise and almost everyone loved it.
Just because it's "explained" doesn't make the explanation good. Edit: also Tom Holland said in his other movies he was more like Spider-Boy and in NWH he was finally Spider-Man.
If u payed attention for the spell scene Peter said he wanted MJ to remember and Ned to remember, meaning that they excluded best friends and gfs out of the spell as for Electro he either knew from from absorbing data or when Gwen hit Electro with the police car she said Peter and Electro woke up immediately after so probably heard it
A teleporting portal is yes weird to him, but he’s been through weird things. He fought a guy with robot arms, a guy made out of sand, and so many things. So a portal is yes mystical, but it might seem that it’s different to him? It’s hard to explain.
For the question about where were the other characters who knew peter in the multiverse, strange mentioned that the spell was contained but there were some people who escaped or "slipped" out of the spell, that's why the villains are in holland's universe. As for Tobey and Andrew's spiderman knowing that Holland's spiderman needs their help, its probably their spider senses that made them realize it. Also, about their interactions in the movie, I think it's a good thing because in my point of view, spiderman is a friendly, chill and easy to talk to kind of person. Sure, he can be serious at times but in the end, he is a friendly neighborhood spiderman. Also, I don't know if you noticed, but Sandman did want to go home and go back to his daughter when he asked where the box was. There may be some other things that I wanna point out but overall, I enjoyed watching this versus video because it made me see the problems of No Way Home that I did not notice in my first few viewings. I would also love to see a versus video of The Batman and The Dark Knight and decide which is the better batman movie.
Yeah. It seems that when something isn't directed by the Russo Brothers, he seems incredibly biased against the MCU. It's like after watching the Dark Knight and the Daredevil series, he immediately expects everything from the MCU to be as serious and great as that.
@@bro-be3bd i know right. He seems to hate anything that isnt dark and gritty. When he should realize that most of the money the MCU makes is from kids, especially for the tom holland movies
@@bro-be3bd I swear this guy is biased towards Russo Brother movies. Like, if he criticized Endgame with the same standard that he criticized No Way Home, then it should be a 5/6 out of 10 or at best a 7. But nah, he gave it a 10/10 lmaooooo
Sam Raimi and Marc Webb should have co directed or the very least been executive consultants for this movie along with Jon Watts. I know all three directors had vastly different styles with their Spiderman movies, but no one but Raimi and Webb know their Spidermen better and where they would be at this point in their lives.
@@dikiiieykick1734 Understood HIS Spiderman (Holland's version). But neither the writers or him knew how to write for Maguire's or Garfield's spider-men, so they put them through the MCU humor machine.
@@dikiiieykick1734 There’s nothing wrong with humor, I said MCU Humor. They’re WAY too over reliant on jokes even when the situation doesn’t call for them. Yes there was humor in the Raimi and Webb movies, but they balanced them with the serious moments. Imagine if Maguires Spider-Man was cracking jokes nonstop during his final battles with the Green Goblin or Otto Octavius on the train?
@@BrandontheBeldam2993 did u watch the spiderman movies they had serious moments in them, I don't think the mcu spiderman was joking when stuck in the rubble
I’m just gonna say right now that I don’t think the MCU would have even touched the multiverse if Into the Spiderverse didn’t do the concept so successfully.
I get why ur being nit picky with no way home but come on I’m just happy that Toby maguire and Andrew Garfield are in this movie I’ve waited so long for this since they cancelled the amazing Spider-Man 3 and I thought this would next happen I’m just grateful we even had them show up at all and not just 1 min cameos
Sony planned to make a crossover film titled: “Spider-Man vs The Amazing Spider-Man” (starting Tobey Maguire, Andrew Garfield and directed by Sam Raimi), which if it was successful, the MCU Tom Halland version of Spider-Man might’ve never existed!!
What do you think of Andrew Garfield’s Spider-Man in this movie? I think he stood out and was GREAT in this film. He was definitely better in this than in his own solo films. Like the part where he rescued MJ was just so good. And it meant more than aunt mays death since we know about Gwen Stacy and care more for her.
Your content never fails to disappoint Me Eric I might disagree with you on No Way Home but I can see the flaws of the film and I respect your opinion I love your reviews. Keep up the good work Eric. I’m a fan of you and your content Eric I love hearing your thoughts on movies and tv 📺 shows and stuff like that 👍🏻👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I also think that it was awesome how the first fight between spiderman and sandman in Spider-Man 3 was shot in my hometown of Cleveland five years before The Avengers filmed there.
Eric Carter: When they Actually have a conversation, it's Almost like an SNL Sketch, Especially when they call Garfield Amazing. Me: Gee, it's Almost If they Actually found a More Brotherly Bond since they Actually discover their own counterparts. Like, Really, what's wrong with them having their moments with Eachother, talking like their brothers, talking like they're Close. Getting to know Eachother and what not. Really, what is wrong with talking about their lives, talking about their kinds of villains, and Really, just having their own fun for a while while they wait? Like, Really, all that felt More Human and even Genuine. Especially Very Much In Character for Spidey. Like, Really. Anything wrong with them Having Fun? And getting Compliments with Eachother abd what not? Fun little callbacks? Really. What is Actually Wrong with that. Especially with Maguire Complimenting Garfield like his brother. Like, Really.
It didn't so much feel like an SNL skit to me but more like average fans wrote their dialogue for them. It just felt basic, and generic and it didn't feel like the characters were talking it felt like people who watched all the Spiderman movies were talking. And their bond didn't feel that tight or like they were brothers. I think it was a mistake to introduce them so late. They arrive for the 3rd act and that's really it. The film went quantity over quality and I think that was a big mistake.
@@sonicdihedgehog1 I just didn't buy it I think introducing them a lot sooner would've made the final act a lot greater. They just felt like strangers who had watched each others movies rather than friends or brothers. I think ITSV handled it better by having the Spidermen spend the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd act together rather than just the 3rd act.
@@sonicdihedgehog1 I just didn't see that. If the writers wanted a more brotherly bond introducing them sooner would've been a better option. They didn't really do much together, had 2 conversations and then a big battle. I just never saw them as brothers because they met at the school talked for about 10 minutes and then went off to fight. Vs ITSV they went from the cemetery to the dorm room, had some lunch, went on a mission, went to Aunt May's place, fought a 2nd time, went back to his dorm room and then went on the final mission.
I actually like that Tom Holland learned his With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility lesson in the third movie cause his entire Trilogy was an origin story for him. We see him learn different lessons in each movie, Homecoming he learns to stay close to the ground and that he doesn't need to be an Avenger to prove his worth, Far From Home he learns to be his own hero and leave Iron Man's shadow, then in No Way Home he finally learns about Responsibility and becomes Spider Man. Tom Holland's version of Spider Man had his story told in a different but unique way and a lot of people liked it. And there are rumours of him getting a new Trilogy too.
You know... I've just now realized this, but phase 4 has a habit of throwing phase 3 ideas out the window the second they get the chance. Spiderman is facing legal trouble? Make a Daredevil cameo and cancel the whole thing. Thor leaving Endgame with the Guardians of the Galaxy? Who needs that, split them up within 10 minutes of Love and Thunder. Loki's dead? Bring him back with time travel. I could go on
Electro said he was in the grid, absorbing data, so he might've figured out through the grid that Peter was Spider-Man, or maybe Harry told him in the Amazing Spider-Man 2 off camera. Also, the symbiotes have a hive mind that transcends the multiverse. So, as long as one symbiote knows that Peter Parker is Spider-Man, then all symbiotes throughout all universes can know.
Sandman Actually Attacked Tom's Peter for the first time because he actually sent Electro somewhere Right Infront Of Him without knowing What He Did. Really, he didn't even Know This Peter the first time. The second time, he just Always seem to want to protect his daughter with all his powers. But, Really, Just thought about getting rid of them. That Is Until Norman Helped Him Realize his purpose after Long Realization. So, Really, of course he didn't want to get rid of them for his daughter's sake.
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Hey Eric. If Sam Raimis Spiderman 4 comes to life, what vilain would you most like to see in it?
What are your thoughts on Harrys New Goblin costume design in SM3?
43:57 Plottwist : The Movies Turn out to be The Prequels To The PS4 Spider-Man Game 😂
Hey Eric are you going to do a review of Sonic the hedgehog 2?
Compare BvS ultimate cut and Civil war
For all of No Way Home’s faults at least we can all agree that Willem Dafoe absolutely crushed it as the Green Goblin.
No he didn't
@@wolfman-hw8yt He did
Definitely Spider-Man's greatest foe!
@@wolfman-hw8yt hater
Agreed. Jamie Foxx are received a better script and story to do this time.
I personally think that had Sam Raimi been given full creative control for SM3 (like he should have been), I think Thomas Haiden Church's Sandman would've turned out even more amazing and he'd be on the same level as Alfred Molinas Doc Ock and Willem Dafoes Gobin in terms of greatness.
Nice profile picture.
@@hoodedmaniac3602 Great minds think alike 🕷 👍
@@tombailey837 Ah yes
He’s still really good
I think he still is though. The Sandman origin scene might be the best scene in any Spider-Man movie and I always thought that Sandman was actually a more compelling villain than Green Goblin and Doc Ock. But that's just my preference.
It hurts to see how generic Sandman is in No Way Home. He has zero character in that movie.
It felt like I was watching An anniversary video. Your Spider-Man versus videos have been amazing, From discovering your first Spider-Man versus video back in 2018 to the conclusion was a great ride.
To counter one of the criticism’s in this video, doctor strange explained that he contained the spell but some “squeaked through” implying that a small number of people who knew Spider-Man came though but due to the spell being contained not everyone came through which explains why others like Harry, Gwen or alternate MJ are not there. Peter 2 being awkward is in character.
I wish they had made No Way Home a 2 parter. The spell just felt awfully contrived for me. It can erase peoples memories but also requires Strange to manipulate time, space, and the multiverse to do so. Why? I heard originally America Chavez was supposed to open the multiverse for him accidentally and tbh that would've made more sense than Strange doing it.
@@american1207 The film's 3rd act was in a bit of flux for a little while because of a mix of the pandemic & who they could get to come back. The pandemic also affected the production of Doctor Strange 2, as it was supposed to come out first. When DS2 was delayed due to that, Sony & Disney used reshoots to reverse where they take place in regards to continuity. Parts of the movie also feel a bit rushed due to not properly explaining things with the magic, or things coming off as contradictory.
Also, the spell doesn't manipulate time, space, & the multiverse. It works on a universal scale to erase memories & physical proof that something happened. With how badly Peter was causing Strange to fuck it up, since Strange said it was delicate, the spell couldn't properly be cast, so something fucked up & the barriers between universes started to break down because of that. That's why that started happening. As a result, it fucked up so badly that it started pulling in people who know Peter Parker is Spider-Man from other universes in the few seconds before Strange contained it & why the second spell stopped the universal breakdown & sent the villains & other Spider-Men home. It's tied intrinsically to people's minds, so it makes sense that the second spell would solve the problem by cutting off the reason why the other people would've come to the MCU by making people forget that Peter is Spider-Man.
As for America Chavez, yeah, it might've been a bit better, but it's not like what they did instead doesn't make sense.
@@Scsigs I get erasing people's memory but then it also teleports like 10 dudes from other universes across different time lines. Teleportation is manipulating space, and ripping dead people from the past is the manipulation of time. Both manipulate the multiverse. The spell just makes no sense. What does manipulating consciousness on earth have to do with time, space, and the multiverse? It's just an overly complicated, convoluted spell. Why does strange need to access and manipulate the minds and lives of all these things and trillions upon trillions of beings and planets just to mind wipe 1 planet?
It's like they had 2 stories here but decided to cram it into 1. The film should either tackle Peter's identity or the multiverse, not half ass both of them.
@@american1207 I literally said the spell wasn't what brought the villains & 2 other Spider-Men into the MCU. The spell just momentarily weakened the inter-dimensional barriers that the multiverse has due to how it was being fucked with. Strange changing the spell on the fly as he was made it go haywire. It was then tied to people knowing Peter's Spider-Man because of how the spell was supposed to work & they were transported to the MCU. THAT'S how they were dragged into the MCU. Through how we see in the film where they show up, clearly they were teleported to where they showed up from where they were because the dimensional barriers were momentarily weakened.
The time travel aspect, I can give you that it doesn't make any sense. I can't find any real way to justify it & I hope they give an explanation for it in the future because it needs one. I can overlook it personally because I like what it gave us, but it's a plot hole that never gets addressed even in a throwaway piece of dialogue & no one questions it. It also doesn't make sense how Otto knew Osborne was Green Goblin or how Sandman knew Green Goblin died by his own glider because it's a big plot point in SM2 that Harry didn't even know. I really wish they either rewrote those scenes (like having Tobey's Peter explain Osborne's death, as he was the only one of them who'd know, or have Strange do a spell to see how they died), or something to make them better.
Well, in regards to Peter's identity & the multiverse, how they wanted it to go, I think, is fine. The film has a solid start to it & has a strong ending, as well as is pretty strong most of the way through. Where it falters is bits of the logic involved with the magic & everything that make you question things as opposed to being solid & you can go along for the ride with it. Like, Endgame is a bit wonky at times, but is more structurally sound when it comes to the logic so you don't question any of it. Unless you get confused by how the time travel is supposed to work, but I blame that on how some of the dialogue was written when they explained how the alternate timelines thing works & how the film presents how removing the stones from the new timelines will doom them as the source of confusion as opposed to the internal consistency of the time travel itself, as it's otherwise consistent within the film itself.
That was long, sorry.
TL;DR, the movie's got a good basis for the plot & story, but falters in the consistency of the logic of the magic & some of the characters that cause them to not make as much sense as they should.
@@Scsigs the spell was botched by strange and it's his spell that manipulates space, time, and the multiverse in an attempt to manipulate the consciousness of 1 planet. It just makes no sense. I get why the writers wrote it like that because it was the quickest way and they couldn't really think of a more organic way but it just comes across as convoluted, rushed, and lazy.
I find what ignites the plot to be lazy and make no sense and when we get to the meat of the story it's just rushed and tbh it looks bad. Also the humor just didn't work for me so overall I didn't have a good time with really anything other than Willem Dafoe in the apartment. I did like the very ending after the 3rd act fight but I more so like the idea of it then the execution. Good place to end but just such a mess getting here and it's 1 of the marvel movies I can't really see myself ever rewatching. And Peter is just very annoying throughout the whole film.
13:16, that effect with the 2 clips side by side and then throwing one of them away, please use that one more. Its pretty neat.
Also, Awesome video.
For the Tobey entering the portal criticism, could be that he's teamed up w Dr Strange in his universe already and has experienced a lot more in his universe over the years which is why he isn't as surprised or shocked.
Sam Raimi has confirmed that in his Spuderman universe that the sangtome sangtoram exists
I don't think so when it comes to Dr. Strange cuz he really doesn't exist in Tobey's universe. It was just a throwaway line that leads to no where in Spider-Man 2.
Not only that but if a Dr. Strange exists in his universe and if Tobey did ended up teaming up with him, then why he didn't bring it up when he literally sees a Dr. Strange in the MCU.
I mean Tobey has the most experience over the years of being Spider-Man throughout his movies.
Plus he comes into the MCU years after Spider-Man 3. Why should he be so shocked and surprised when he's basically depicted as this older, wiser Peter Parker/Spider-Man?? It's really fitting for his character.
@@partyelixir1265 where did he say that? I've never heard it
Tobey's Spidey is probably used to seeing random magic related shit all the time, so he's just normal. I mean, we didn't see him for 14 years. So he probably teamed up with Strange, and saw all other villians causing chaos.
While I really like No Way Home, this video made me notice some of the problems, particularly with the first act, that I kinda glanced over in previous viewings because I really enjoyed the movie. I still do, but you made some solid points of criticism and I think the ideas that you gave would've made the movie a lot better and helped make it feel less like a "typical" MCU movie
You did a fantastic job with these Spider-Man VS. videos and I ended up agreeing with your opinions more than I thought I would. And just like with the previous one, even though this video is 40+ minutes, it doesn't feel that long at all
Love the pfp
I think Tobey's Peter acting so casually about the portal opening up for him is due to him being like, "Well I've seen a lot of weird shit in my day, so..."
i love all 3 of these movies in each their own right. ITSV is just a masterpiece of a film, NWH is ultimately my second favourite theater experience (After endgame and tied with infinity war) and Spider-Man 3 is genuinely the funniest movie of all time and i'm being dead serious
Bully Maguire is comedy gold
I wouldn’t say it’s the funniest movie ever but it is the funniest spider man movie ever
Funniest movie of all time? Yeah not even close.
Eric what was your theater experience in no way home? Because that is definitely the best part of the movie. The experience!!!! Watching it with other people, cheering when you see the nostalgia, smiling when you get a reference from a different project, it was all in this movie. The theater experience is by far the best part and I would love to rewatch it in the theater for the e first time again.
Same here. I still enjoyed the movie when I re-watch it at home but the joy of being part of all of the eruptions in the theater when Tobey and Andrew showed up is something that can't be replicated. Even though I knew what was coming I still erupted with joy and cheers and that feeling was amazing
Nostalgia carried the movie. and u just affirmed it
Honestly, I loved my theater experience with this film. Sure, there are stuff that pops out oddly nowadays in regards to the production behinds the film, but I definitely had a lot of reactions I can remember at certain moments in the film.
Finally! You don’t know how long I’ve been waiting for this one!
I've been waiting for this video ever since I first saw No Way Home. Amazing surprise from RUclips notifications
Agreed
I'm gonna disagree with you with the way they used the pop and hip Hop songs in into the spiderverse. I thought it matched with Miles Character. And when they combined both near the end, it made it feel that something new was added to his character. That being the orchestral music (the new) being added with the hiphop and pop (the old)
Although I disagree with some of your NWH takes, I do rescept your opinion though and I will admit NWH does have some problems with it's story. Btw love the video! You did a fantastic job with this video, so keep up what you're doing!
Thanks very much buddy!! Will do!
I think that the main idea is that Peter does face consequences by public opinion. This affects his life and his friends and families lives to the point where they have to live in Happy’s armored apartment and are constantly looked at in public. It also gets his friends rejected from college, which may not be an issue for Peter but definitely an issue for his friends.
Which is why he went to strange to begin with the public was ruining his life day by day and J Jonah Jameson was the main part of that too
I actually think that the implementation of hip-hop and trap into the Spiderverse soundtrack is what made the music in the film so phenomenal, but I get what you mean. The use of "scared of the dark" with vocals felt wrong to use after Peter A's death, and the gag with "Start a Riot" broke the pacing of a pretty important moment with some unneeded comedy.
Regarding May, in NWH, they shove in our faces the fact that May “helps people”. They even go as far as copying Insomniac’s Aunt May motto: “If you help someone, you help everyone”. MCU’s May DID NOT EARN THIS. We see a hint of her being generous to others in FFH during the first scene i believe, and then her job in F.E.A.S.T, but that was it. In 3 movies they couldn’t show more, done more, have proper development of May’s altruistic ideals, etc. It’s something that SUDDENLY occurred in NWH and felt completely unearned.
May’s “moral mission” mentioned in NWH made no sense to me whatsoever because it wasn’t shown in the previous 2 movies AT ALL. Her character is awful, her motivations are everywhere, she is not the beacon of morality that Peter needs as Spider-Man, and her fate could have been more impactful, but she was treated as a joke character for the first two movies and rushed for the third one.
Fantastic video Eric!! It was more than worth the wait! Even though I loved No Way Home and I do disagree with a few things that you said about it, I understand that it’s your opinion. But overall, this is probably one of your best videos. Well done!!!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Well they actually explain why venom was brought into the mcu in the venom 2 post credit scene. All symbiotes share a hivemind. So he would have access to Topher Grace's memories.
But they are symbiotes from different multiverse, so how come they share the same memories? Is like they just try to explain but still not making any sense.
@@alp5439 i thought he said that they share hiveminds for lightyears
Your content never disappoints Eric. Keep up the good work! 👍
Thanks buddy. Will do!
@@EricCarter12 are you making a binge watch video on the series Obi-Wan Kenobi?
@@bigclay8479 Yes I am. 😉
Do you know who disappointed as its lankybox
@@EricCarter12 you are a hater of no way home just admit it because when you said Peter and harry teamed up in spider man 3 and forgot how to work as a team first off tobeys Peter was younger when that happened and it wasn’t a team they just worked together to save Mary Jane from venom and sandman and harry literally tried to kill Peter he did save him i know that but the harry killing Peter part was true and tobey and Andrew were great there characters were the exact same don’t give me the oh there making much jokes tobeys Peter wasn’t even quipy in his movies he made a few here and there but he so serious and Andrew literally cracked jokes in his movie and you didnt complain and spider man is meant to make jokes it’s part of his character your just blinded by nostalgia I can tell no way home doesn’t need a 7 out of 10 it needs at least a 9 and daredevil just made a cameo thats all and a court scene is what you wanted why probably because you just like daredevil too much and wanted one in the movie just please stop it and spidervearse is a good movie but even that has problems like literally what ever is perfect just please stop hating and nitpicking all the time for uncessesary things that didn’t need to be in the movie because it would have made it much more longer there nuff said Eric
Finally it's here. Thank you for this Eric. We love your videos and we love you cause your amazing. Keep it up ❤️
Thank you so much for these spider man videos and great job!
The problem with Spider-Man 3 has nothing to do with Sam Raimi.
It was due to Sony, specifically Avi Arad(The Bastard) that forced him to include the Venom and Symbiote Storyline.
So he tried to make the best use of cramming 2 stories into 1, and while it succeed in some regards, it failed in much more.
If only Sam could of done the Spider-Man 3 he wanted to do.
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4:17 the reason Mj Gwen and both Harrys didn’t get sucked into the MCU was because Peter left the people that he’s really close to out of the spell so they could still remember him while everyone else in nyc forgot who Peter was
EDIT: All 3 of Tom’s movies are his origin story
Yes thank you sir
Just like film theory said
No way home is still shit
Thank you! Because most of Eric's points of No Way Home kind of frustrated me but I still enjoyed the video regardless.
@@aamiraustin5422 same
I personally loved No Way Home, but to each their own.
Finally, Another Verses video of the Spider-Man series and man, this is gonna get crazier than ever and great analysis Eric and keep it up.
1: The spell (Runes of Kof-Kol) travels the dark borders between known and unknown reality to work.
2: I'm pretty sure not everyone came through because it was contained and only a few of them had actually managed to squeak through, + there was more coming through into the MCU that had to be stopped.
I have been waiting for this ever since you said it was coming out today lol
I get that u may have not liked how the Spider-Men have been handled in No way home, but why didn’t you talk about scenes like Andrew saving Mj or Tobey stopping Toms Spiderman from killing Green goblin. Those were great scenes and connected back to their previous films. I feel like you mainly focused on the bad for Tobey and missed the other great scenes they had
Those scenes were alright to me they just felt a little basic. A better scene to me would be when they were on the roof after May died.
It's a biring abd clichey scene.
We could conclude the point that why both Harrys, Mary Jane, Gwen, Captain Stacy, Raimi's Venom didn't come through because before they could come into the MCU, Strange contained the spell leaving only the villains and Peter 2 and 3 in this universe. As for why Electro came through, I can't really say much but my theory is that Max said himself that he was stuck in the grid absorbing data before dying so he could figured out Spider-Man's identity through digital data (maybe) hence making him one of those who knew Spider-Man's identity.
He just didn't know what he looked like only his name which is why he says I just thought you were gonna be black
@@elishawilson5342 Yep I do know that
@@GenisysPrime yeah I figured just wanted to say that
@@elishawilson5342 okay bro👍
1. Andrew & Tobey's Peters knew about how they were in the MCU through their Spider-Senses, which is also why they started shooting webs at each other. Tobey's Peter even has the line, "I have this sense that he (MCU Peter) needs my help," referencing it. Same with Andrew's Peter with him saying, _"Our_ help." Not only that, but they got dragged in right as their villains were as well, NYC has places like Time's Square where they broadcast things like breaking news, & it's shown that the Daily Bugle has connections to be able to broadcast their news livestreams on to those screens & other news organizations in the city would also be covering them to a lesser extent. We see MCU Peter watching 1 of the broadcasts after his fight with Green Goblin in Happy's apartment building & losing his Aunt May. I agree that it should've been made a bit more explicit in the dialogue, but it's not like you can't put 2 & 2 together, dude.
2. The writers threw around the idea of bringing in Mary Jane, Gwen, & even the other 2 Aunt Mays while writing the movie. However, COVID restricted some of the people they could get in the movie &/or how they could've shot scenes with them. This is why Sandman only appears in his sand form, Lizard is in his mutated form, & why when they're transformed back to human, they reused the original blue screen footage from SM3 & TASM2 while Thomas Haden Church & Rhys Ifans provided voice acting for them. They were unable to be on the sets for actual shooting due to the pandemic.
3. You say the MCU movies can't be smart...but other MCU movies exist that are. The Captain America sequels, I'll say Iron Man 3 tried to be pretty smart, & even Infinity War & Endgame were more than just the regular fun MCU movies. Hell, even Black Panther.
4. How is Peter taking his mask off in front of people when his secret identity is already revealed supposed to create consequences when he's already passed those?
5. The villains agreed to go along with Peter's plan to cure them & he has his Spider-Sense, which warns him about the Goblin coming out in the scene in Happy's apartment. How is his aunt exactly in danger when he can leap to action to protect her at any moment?
6. I very much disagree that Tom's Peter didn't have character arcs in Homecoming or Far From Home & don't understand how anyone missed what they were trying to do there.
7. The scene of them discussing their villains & shit is charming & funny. I don't get how you can hate that one.
8. How in a movie where the entire point is to develop the main protagonist would you expect them to develop 5 villains? I mean, maybe a few, but I don't see it when that's not the intention of the film. I also don't understand how you can just ignore the great character development the movie gave Andrew's Peter.
9. Stark's nanotech pairs to Doc Ock's arms because he rips off part of the suit, the nanotech get absorbed & incorporated into the arms, & sync with the tentacles' A.I. Peter's then able to pair the remote control in his suit with them. It's actually kinda smart because it's never stated they can't do this, but it's nanotech & can form into a lot of different things, so I don't get this complaint.
10. Spider-Man has a healing factor. In this movie, when he gets blown up, he's shown limping over to May afterwards. His head didn't take any amount (or at least a lot) of the blast, so that adds up. And, Tobey's Peter took a lot of damage, but also clearly had a healing factor in SM1. Plus, he wasn't bleeding beforehand. Tom's Peter _was._
@ Noah Ashtrex Same. Like, I don't think it's improv-ed, but there's a nice improv-ed feeling to it, like how Robert Downey Jr. delivered most of his lines as Tony Stark. Like, I don't understand not liking moments like that. In a crossover like this, you WANT all those kinds of interactions. I personally felt the movie should've been a good 20 minutes longer just so we got more of shit like that. As well as to iron out some plot stuff so there weren't as many logic holes & inconsistencies, as well as stuff that went unexplained. Maybe we'll get that with the extended cut coming out, but who knows?
@@Scsigs I agree with everything except for number 8. His main problem is that none of them except the Green Goblin were given clear motivations, which I think is fair. The movie should still give the villains motivations even if it is trying to develop the protagonist.
@@justoons2949 The way I heard what he said, it sounded like he expected full-on character arcs for all of the villains on top of their motivations not being that clear or being confusing or contradictory. While I can understand the criticisms around the villains either not doing much other than being there, or their motives being confusing, I don't think it's good to expect full arcs for every villain.
@@Scsigs fair enough
I agree
They did try to explain how Tom Hardy's Venom briefly ended up in the MCU but I call "bullshit"
Apparently the symbiote have this interconnected signal that can reach though out the Multiverse to other symbiotes. So even though, Tom Hardy's Venom never knew a Peter Parker, Topher Grace's Venom has, and it's because of this, it's how Tom Hardy's Venom knew. That's why at the end of Venom: Let There Be Carnage, Venom refers to Tom Holland's Spider-Man as "that guy."
I hate how the fight in No Way Home is shot in complete darkness and has no color.
Spiderman 3 had a much better looking fight and can see everything
Also, Spiderman 3 had way better action figures
Although Venom was forced into Spider-Man 3 by Sony, Sam Raimi still did a good job in telling the story he wanted. The symbiote works in that film as a little representation of addiction and Peter's bad side.
Waiting for this video was like waiting for the No Way Home trailer. Thank you, Eric!
Your very welcome. 😉
I’ve been waiting for a long time for you to do a Spiderman no way home versus video.
No Way Home may be flawed but the first half is fun (even if it's nothing special) and the second half is amazing and what makes the movie so good!
I think GG is phenomenal but everything else was just meh to me. The movie moves way too fast for my liking without properly developing the villains, the story, the motivations. And I didn't find the final fight to be that appealing or engaging it just looked kinda ugly to me.
Worst movie of all time
I'm just realising that I've been keeping up with you for over 3 years now, including watching another Spiderman versus video come out. Wow, time flies! Best the luck with you for many more videos and years to come!
There's a reason why Venom knows peter.
It's apparently because Venom is in a hive mind and is connected to Tobey Maguires Venom
But they are venom from different multiverse.
@@alp5439 But the person that created the symbiotes "knull" is a god that prob exists in the MCU becuase "all black the necrosword" the sword Gorrs using in Thor 4. Was created by knull who used the sword to kill the celestial "knowwhere" decapitating him
Tobey and Andrew were looking for Tom's Spider-Man the whole time by their spider sense and eventually would've ran into each other Ned just happened to open portals to both of them to where they were
Yeah and they also 1 v 1 each other because of their spider senses going off just like in Into the Spider Verse when Miles met Spider-Man for the first time.
@@davidgordillo6583 yeah also before that Tobey mentioned he saw MJ and Ned showing he's been looking for him for the last 24 hrs as this takes place over a couple of days or so
@@elishawilson5342 Right? It just baffled me that Eric said that Maguire's Spider-Man and Garfield's Spider-Man didn't explain how they got into the MCU because they clearly did. Even Garfield's Spider-Man talked about the theory of the multiverse a bit.
@@elishawilson5342 and NONE of thag is explained or implied
@@dosomestuff1949 since when it's not hard to see why you think they were there in the first place
Electro does know Peter is Spiderman he just didn't know what he looked like. In the climax Gwen call's Peter by his name in front of Electro. If you don't believe me then watch the climax
That's not knowing who Spider-Man is, that's knowing his name.
@@AnAnimatorsWorld yes it is, he knows spiderman is peter because she literally called spiderman by name
13:00. When I was kid I cried for harry when he died and today when I saw aunt may died I just feel sad.
Note. When you get bigger your emotional will be bigger too cause you will understand things more so yeah.
I felt the same way with how BBC and Guy Ritchie handled Sherlock's fall:
Guy Ritchie: 😔
BBC: 😭
"Don't know what this is about"
What? It's clear it's just Tobey-Peter and Andrew-Peter realizing the other is Spider-Man through their Spider Sense and to confirm it they decided to have a little showdown for the hell of it. It's basically just them greeting each other in their own Spider-Man way.
That really pissed me off, some of his arguments just show that he wants to nitpick these movies just for the sake of it.
@@abhinavgandham4883exactly
IT IS HERE! YES!
The reason that Gwen and Harry wasn't in now way home was because Doctor strange stop the spell before more people came in the universe. But it is dumb that electro is in there
Also it's not even the cool looking electro.
Funny how while Spider-man: No Way Home was struggling to finish its visual effects, Tom Cruise was flying real F/A-18E/F Super Hornets for Top Gun: Maverick. What did you think of that film?
I'm agree with all of it. Great thoughts and comparison, as always 👍
I'll take a messy but single-focused & character driven story (Spider-Man 3) over a convoluted crossover driven by nostalgia (NWH) any day of the week.
Bruh
I actually didn’t think No Way Home felt rushed I enjoyed watching it in the theatre but thought that the way everything was happening felt fine
Finally I have been waiting for this since I first discovered your channel last December.
Yeah I know its late but if you watched film theory, there is a reason for why electro got brought in that make a little more sense. During the electro fight when Gwen shows up and discuss a plan with peter, there's and instance where Gwen actually calls Spider-man Peter and we cut to electro waking up. It's questionable, but that might have implied that electro learned about peters real first name during a brief moment of consciousness thus bringing him into the fray. I doubt the writers thought of this when bringing him in but it shines a better light on why.
Matt Part had a good explanation. But it's Just a theory a Film Theory
30:30 in No Way Home's defense, Peter & Harry teaming up in Spider-Man 3 was more of a Duo than an overall team.
I agree, because when Maguire's Spider-Man said he hasn't been in a team before, I think he meant he hasn't been in big team before. Also, I didn't agree with Eric's points of the Spider-Men talking to each other before the climatic battle because their interaction felt so genuine and realistic and I actually liked how Maguire's Spider-Man told Garfield's Spider-Man that he was amazing. I found that really wholesome.
@@aamiraustin5422 Yep, while I agree with some/ maybe most of his problems with NWH, the rest of it feels overly nitpicky. While I do enjoy Spider-Man 3 as a mixed-bag enjoyable film (though the weakest of the trilogy), NWH wins in terms of story & character over Spider-Man 3. I can agree with Into The Spider-Verse winning almost every segment tho.
And that was 16 years ago in the timeline.
@@bro-be3bd Honestly if I were to rank all the Spidey Films from best to worst & with a graded score, it would be this
1. Spider-Man 2 (2004)= 10/10= A+
2. Spider-Man (2002)= 10/10= A+
3. Spider-Man: No Way Home (2021)= 9.5/10= A
4. Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse (2018) =9.5/10=A
5. Spider-Man: Far From Home (2019)= 8/10= A-
6. Spider-Man: Homecoming (2017)= 8/10= A-
7. The Amazing-Spider-Man (2012)= 7.5/10= B+
8. Spider-Man 3 (2007)= 7/10= B
9. Venom: Let There Be Carnage (2021)= 7/10= B
10. Spider-Man (1977)= 6.5/10= B-
11. The Amazing-Spider-Man 2 (2014)= 6/10= C+
12. Spider-Man Strikes Back (1978)= 5/10= C-
13. Venom (2018)= 5/10= C-
14. Spider-Man: The Dragon's Challenge (1979)= 4/10= D
15. Morbius (2022)= 20/10= A++++++++.
Yeah, and also he fought Harry before. So he should understand his fighting style.
I will say that I love how Willem Dafoe wears fake teeth when he’s Norman Osborn but shows his regular teeth when the Green Goblin takes over. That was a detail that they used in the original Sam Raimi Spider-Man movie and I love that they brought it back.
In Spider-Man no way home the reason that Peter Parker‘s girlfriends, best friends, and aunts did not come throw the multiverse was because he specifically said in the spell to exclude them.
No way home is more of a theater experience than a movie. And it’s such an amazing theater experience like endgame or infinity war. When I finished watching it for the first time it was my favorite Spider-Man movie but after a while i saw it as what it is. A good Spider-Man film with an amazing ending and amazing nostalgia. I personally would rank this as 1. Spider-Man 3 2. ITTSV 3. No way home.
To be fair, the reason Mary Jane, Harry Osborne, Gwen Stacy, and others who knew Spider Man's identity weren't pulled in because remember when Peter was screwing with the spell, he said, "except for MJ, except for Ned" and stuff. So maybe when he said that, the spell excluded girlfriends and best friends etc.
Concept art for No Way Home showed that America Chavez was going to be in this movie and apparently she was going to bring the other 2 Spider men into the MCU but she was cut because her actress couldn't attend filming due to COVID restrictions. Do you think America's involvement could've made the film a little better?
That really depends tbh. America Chavez wasn’t a part of the MCU until Multiverse of Madness and she fits well there. If M.O.M was released before NWH, then I think it would’ve been better if she was the one to bring the other spider man instead of Ned.
Uh no I’m actually glad she wasn’t in it it wouldve made less good
I thought all 3 of these films were great, and I think into the Spider Verse was the best out of the three, also there will be a sequel for Spider-Man into the Spider Verse, into the Spider Verse 2, so I cannot wait for the sequel for the Spider Verse.
I read civil war yesterday the comic book, and in that comic they take peters identity more serious. Peter reveals his identity to the whole world on tv after talking to his wife, MJ, and that actually gets him into problems with tony stark when he switches from tony side to caps side. Tony mentions how he can’t just escape when everyone knows he’s been Spider-Man since he was 15 and how controversial the whole thing will be. That’s just some examples of Spider-Man’s identity taken seriously in the comics while no way home seems to fumble with the whole idea of it.
Its time for greatness
This was a great video I have a suggestion for the next vs video sonic 1 vs sonic 2
So Eric, what's your favourite British-based film and what's your next versus video?
into the spider-verse does get better the more I watch it, truly masterfully made
None are as bad as TASM2. TASM2 is the Batman and Robin of Spider-Man.
That's a bit harsh. Batman Forever maybe
Are sure about that ?
Are you ok?
I think you analyze movies way more deeper than Ryan George's Pitch Meetings.
In my opion, no way home has terrible cinmatagraphy. The rain shot was the only good shot. The batman was affected by covid, and it was wonderfully shot. LED screens should be used more.
To each their own
In NWH Peter actually names his romance, best friend and aunt and That’s why only Spider-men and villains game through.
I agree with the point of Electro coming in, but I really disagree with your point about Mary Jane and the Harry's not coming through with the spell.
They MIGHT'VE came through but they didn't make any kind of presence to alert the Spider-Men to their appearance.
Well yeah they're not trying to be on the level of the Dark Knight or the Daredevil series. They're meant to be fun comic book movies with tons of emotion through the characters.
Strange is arrogant and overconfident as hell and his ego definitely increased after he was the sole reason the Avengers found the one way at defeating Thanos. It was until Multiverse of Madness were his ego and overconfidence began to fade out.
Saying "how does a cartoon have smarter writing than live-action" is just insulting to animated films like the Kung Fu Panda trilogy and the HTTYD trilogy. Cartoons can have smart writing but it doesn't mean live-action is worse.
You could technically count Tony Stark as his first real loss.
Tom Holland had zero development in Homecoming and Far From Home? Seriously?
Oh great, you're one of THOSE people who believe in the Iron Boy Jr crap.
Come on, how did you not like the talk on the scaffolding between the Spider-Men?
You also are soundly pretty pretentious. Suddenly Otto is affected by the MCU formula because they slipped up once?
Sandman didn't turn evil. He was just incredibly paranoid. He saw that everything in the apartment was going to shit so he wanted no part in it and left. He then joined the villains at the end because he believed that would've been the quickest way to get the box and be sent home. If he had joined Peter in the end, it would've taken even longer than he wanted because Peter would've "wasted time" trying to cure the other villains.
BRO, They literally mention in the Venom post credits that the symbiote have a hivemind connection across universes. This also means that Venom would've known that Peter is Spider-Man because of Spider-Man 3.
Again, you're appearing very pretentious and nitpicky around the MCU projects.
"He died in MJ's lap, not your arms." WHO CARES?
Peter and Harry's team-up was 17 years ago in the timeline.
Tobey getting stabbed meant that there was nobody stopping Tom from continuing to kill the Goblin. It was all his decision from then on and nobody was stopping him because the only people who could are too far away or have been stabbed.
Bro, you never even talked about the ending! Literally almost everything good about NWH you just brushed over it with a quick line. The talk on the rooftop. The final 15 minutes. Otto's redemption. Literally anything to do with Electro.
They couldn't get Rhys Ifans or Thomas Hayden Church on set to film new footage because of COVID. They were able to provide voice work.
What's wrong with the pop and hip hop in Spider-Verse?
Sorry for this rant, but judging by all your videos over the past few years, you come off as incredibly biased and pretentious against the MCU.
Hell, you didn't even like the two Guardians films.
He didn't like the first two guardian movies?, like 2 I can kind of understand it's got a bit too much humor at times but the first one was a big surprise and almost everyone loved it.
Just because it's "explained" doesn't make the explanation good.
Edit: also Tom Holland said in his other movies he was more like Spider-Boy and in NWH he was finally Spider-Man.
Dark knight had equal or even more plot holes than NWH
If u payed attention for the spell scene Peter said he wanted MJ to remember and Ned to remember, meaning that they excluded best friends and gfs out of the spell as for Electro he either knew from from absorbing data or when Gwen hit Electro with the police car she said Peter and Electro woke up immediately after so probably heard it
All ready know this will be my favourite RUclips video
A teleporting portal is yes weird to him, but he’s been through weird things. He fought a guy with robot arms, a guy made out of sand, and so many things. So a portal is yes mystical, but it might seem that it’s different to him? It’s hard to explain.
For the question about where were the other characters who knew peter in the multiverse, strange mentioned that the spell was contained but there were some people who escaped or "slipped" out of the spell, that's why the villains are in holland's universe. As for Tobey and Andrew's spiderman knowing that Holland's spiderman needs their help, its probably their spider senses that made them realize it. Also, about their interactions in the movie, I think it's a good thing because in my point of view, spiderman is a friendly, chill and easy to talk to kind of person. Sure, he can be serious at times but in the end, he is a friendly neighborhood spiderman. Also, I don't know if you noticed, but Sandman did want to go home and go back to his daughter when he asked where the box was.
There may be some other things that I wanna point out but overall, I enjoyed watching this versus video because it made me see the problems of No Way Home that I did not notice in my first few viewings.
I would also love to see a versus video of The Batman and The Dark Knight and decide which is the better batman movie.
I kinda disagree with a lot of what you've said on NWH but I respect it
The Batman is better
@@dosomestuff1949 who cares
@@dosomestuff1949 Obviously it is but that doesnt make NWH less good.
1:18 when you phrase it like that it sounds bloody hilarious
I’ve been waiting for this
i have been waiting for this since november of 2021
Awesome vs video very entertaining Enjoyed it great video
Thanks Cade!!
Your very welcome
He’s definitely going to rank No Way Home at the bottom
Yeah. It seems that when something isn't directed by the Russo Brothers, he seems incredibly biased against the MCU.
It's like after watching the Dark Knight and the Daredevil series, he immediately expects everything from the MCU to be as serious and great as that.
@@bro-be3bd If dc made nwh he would call it the best superhero film
@@bro-be3bd i know right. He seems to hate anything that isnt dark and gritty. When he should realize that most of the money the MCU makes is from kids, especially for the tom holland movies
@@bro-be3bd I swear this guy is biased towards Russo Brother movies. Like, if he criticized Endgame with the same standard that he criticized No Way Home, then it should be a 5/6 out of 10 or at best a 7. But nah, he gave it a 10/10 lmaooooo
@@partyelixir1265 Yeah I don’t get why everything has to be dark and gritty to him
Spiderman 3 is a great film
It most definitely is
the reason that gwe, Mary Jane, Harry and Harry weren't pulled in was because was that Dr strange said only some people got sucked in.
Sam Raimi and Marc Webb should have co directed or the very least been executive consultants for this movie along with Jon Watts. I know all three directors had vastly different styles with their Spiderman movies, but no one but Raimi and Webb know their Spidermen better and where they would be at this point in their lives.
Jon watts understood spiderman what are u saying not visually but story telling
@@dikiiieykick1734 Understood HIS Spiderman (Holland's version). But neither the writers or him knew how to write for Maguire's or Garfield's spider-men, so they put them through the MCU humor machine.
@@BrandontheBeldam2993 umm what?
What is wrong with humour? It still does affect the story of the movie
@@dikiiieykick1734 There’s nothing wrong with humor, I said MCU Humor. They’re WAY too over reliant on jokes even when the situation doesn’t call for them. Yes there was humor in the Raimi and Webb movies, but they balanced them with the serious moments. Imagine if Maguires Spider-Man was cracking jokes nonstop during his final battles with the Green Goblin or Otto Octavius on the train?
@@BrandontheBeldam2993 did u watch the spiderman movies they had serious moments in them, I don't think the mcu spiderman was joking when stuck in the rubble
Hey Eric will you do a sonic vs sonic 2 video soon? And also I love your videos
I’m just gonna say right now that I don’t think the MCU would have even touched the multiverse if Into the Spiderverse didn’t do the concept so successfully.
I think they would’ve done it eventually for sure, but agreed it wouldn’t have happened nearly as quickly had “Spiderverse” not excelled first.
I just can't wait to see into the spider-verse 2
I get why ur being nit picky with no way home but come on I’m just happy that Toby maguire and Andrew Garfield are in this movie I’ve waited so long for this since they cancelled the amazing Spider-Man 3 and I thought this would next happen I’m just grateful we even had them show up at all and not just 1 min cameos
Sony planned to make a crossover film titled: “Spider-Man vs The Amazing Spider-Man” (starting Tobey Maguire, Andrew Garfield and directed by Sam Raimi), which if it was successful, the MCU Tom Halland version of Spider-Man might’ve never existed!!
Great video
What do you think of Andrew Garfield’s Spider-Man in this movie? I think he stood out and was GREAT in this film. He was definitely better in this than in his own solo films. Like the part where he rescued MJ was just so good. And it meant more than aunt mays death since we know about Gwen Stacy and care more for her.
he had good parts but overall he did things with tobey that was not related to storyline
@@vickramsingh5814 Not really.
@@terrellthaddies7867 yes really
Your content never fails to disappoint
Me Eric I might disagree with you on No Way Home but I can see the flaws of the film and I respect your opinion I love your reviews. Keep up the good work Eric. I’m a fan of you and your content Eric I love hearing your thoughts on movies and tv 📺 shows and stuff like that 👍🏻👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I also think that it was awesome how the first fight between spiderman and sandman in Spider-Man 3 was shot in my hometown of Cleveland five years before The Avengers filmed there.
Eric Carter: When they Actually have a conversation, it's Almost like an SNL Sketch, Especially when they call Garfield Amazing.
Me: Gee, it's Almost If they Actually found a More Brotherly Bond since they Actually discover their own counterparts. Like, Really, what's wrong with them having their moments with Eachother, talking like their brothers, talking like they're Close. Getting to know Eachother and what not. Really, what is wrong with talking about their lives, talking about their kinds of villains, and Really, just having their own fun for a while while they wait? Like, Really, all that felt More Human and even Genuine. Especially Very Much In Character for Spidey. Like, Really. Anything wrong with them Having Fun? And getting Compliments with Eachother abd what not? Fun little callbacks? Really. What is Actually Wrong with that. Especially with Maguire Complimenting Garfield like his brother. Like, Really.
It didn't so much feel like an SNL skit to me but more like average fans wrote their dialogue for them. It just felt basic, and generic and it didn't feel like the characters were talking it felt like people who watched all the Spiderman movies were talking.
And their bond didn't feel that tight or like they were brothers. I think it was a mistake to introduce them so late. They arrive for the 3rd act and that's really it. The film went quantity over quality and I think that was a big mistake.
@@american1207 Nah, felt like they were Brothers trying to get to know Eachother. Really, felt natural and Really felt like they bonded.
@@sonicdihedgehog1 I just didn't buy it I think introducing them a lot sooner would've made the final act a lot greater. They just felt like strangers who had watched each others movies rather than friends or brothers. I think ITSV handled it better by having the Spidermen spend the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd act together rather than just the 3rd act.
@@american1207 Nah, they just act like Brothers. Looking out for Eachother and all.
@@sonicdihedgehog1 I just didn't see that. If the writers wanted a more brotherly bond introducing them sooner would've been a better option. They didn't really do much together, had 2 conversations and then a big battle. I just never saw them as brothers because they met at the school talked for about 10 minutes and then went off to fight. Vs ITSV they went from the cemetery to the dorm room, had some lunch, went on a mission, went to Aunt May's place, fought a 2nd time, went back to his dorm room and then went on the final mission.
It's official. Spider-Man, no way home is my 3rd favorite movie of 2021. But still a good Entertaining movie.
I actually like that Tom Holland learned his With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility lesson in the third movie cause his entire Trilogy was an origin story for him. We see him learn different lessons in each movie, Homecoming he learns to stay close to the ground and that he doesn't need to be an Avenger to prove his worth, Far From Home he learns to be his own hero and leave Iron Man's shadow, then in No Way Home he finally learns about Responsibility and becomes Spider Man.
Tom Holland's version of Spider Man had his story told in a different but unique way and a lot of people liked it. And there are rumours of him getting a new Trilogy too.
You know... I've just now realized this, but phase 4 has a habit of throwing phase 3 ideas out the window the second they get the chance. Spiderman is facing legal trouble? Make a Daredevil cameo and cancel the whole thing. Thor leaving Endgame with the Guardians of the Galaxy? Who needs that, split them up within 10 minutes of Love and Thunder. Loki's dead? Bring him back with time travel. I could go on
And almost every other character except for Mcu Aunt May were somewhat develepoed in one movie and they’re deaths were more impactful.
Electro said he was in the grid, absorbing data, so he might've figured out through the grid that Peter was Spider-Man, or maybe Harry told him in the Amazing Spider-Man 2 off camera. Also, the symbiotes have a hive mind that transcends the multiverse. So, as long as one symbiote knows that Peter Parker is Spider-Man, then all symbiotes throughout all universes can know.
If electro did find out that Peter was spider man then why did he think Peter was black?
@@rawrdscaguSdchIUDcbIHcsdg Because he never saw Peter's face.
This video did not disappoint. Totally worth the wait.
Yes finally YOU LEGEND
Sandman Actually Attacked Tom's Peter for the first time because he actually sent Electro somewhere Right Infront Of Him without knowing What He Did. Really, he didn't even Know This Peter the first time.
The second time, he just Always seem to want to protect his daughter with all his powers. But, Really, Just thought about getting rid of them. That Is Until Norman Helped Him Realize his purpose after Long Realization. So, Really, of course he didn't want to get rid of them for his daughter's sake.