Labour leadership debate | Channel 4 News
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- Опубликовано: 31 авг 2015
- All four candidates for the Labour leadership - Jeremy Corbyn, Andy Burnham, Liz Kendall and Yvette Cooper - debate the key issues.
Hosted by Channel 4 News’ Krishnan Guru-Murthy.
Kendall is a lightweight. Burnham is a flip flopper. Cooper has been bland for most of the campaign.
Corbyn is the only one who has been consistent throughout and has my vote.
+Amjid Khan Not sure why, but Liz Kendall just seems like she struggles when answering nearly any questions. Doesn't come over as confident at all. I don't think she's got the 'punch' that is required here.
+Amjid Khan Corbyn wants to turn the clock back 30 years...anyone but him will be okay.
+padfootfan123 30 years ago Thatcher was in power. I doubt Corbyn wants that.
+Amjid Khan
As a conservative I do hope that Corbyn gets elected. Because that will be that Labour will not be in power for the next decade.
Come on Corbyn.
Contrabanned look at his policies. It's basically looking to turn the clock back.
bighands69 you've just pointed out the other reason I really don't want Corbyn. The Tories need a good opposition. I honestly don't think Corbyn will give them any competition.
It amused me how Burnham, when talking about the Iraq invasion, was keen to point out that he "lived through that period in time". Like everyone else is 11 years old.
38:20 "you can't just print money" well Labour did it during the banking crises and so have the torys. I guess its only okay to do it for the rich and the banks.
+Baw Jaws
Glad someone remembered!
That's the attitude that leads to inflation and in extreme cases hyper-inflation and ultimately ruins the economy. Printing money doesn't work
+TMCTanks | Home of Black Ops 3 News/Information
You do know you have the exact opposite problem right now. These aren't laws of physics but relations.
+TMCTanks | Home of Black Ops 3 News/Information Sure devaluing the economy is bad but the ability to pay back the debt is better.
Surely being able to pay off the debt is better than not being able to pay it back at all.
+Baw Jaws exactly.... i heard somewhere that if they distributed the money they gave to the banks to "deal" with the financial crisis evenly, to every working person in britain... it would have been nearly 30 thousand pounds per head....
Jeremy Corbyn yet again showing politics of hope........ God i hope he wins
+SUSIEPIP www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/143500/jeremy-corbyn-campaigned-israeli-embassy-car-bombing-pair
So he sits with nutcase islamists and calls them friends ... He gives a platform to those nutters as a north islington mp. He wouldspend spend spend and be a defensive risk. The guys is a nut.
Yup, a dangerous nut. God I hope he's their next leader.Nick Harris
+Nick Harris Better to Bomb any opponents into peaceful democracy, rather than open a diplomatic channel, eh? That old "Bomb some sense into them" policy that has always worked so well. Save them from themselves, wingnut nonsense?
If you're referring Hamas, I suggest you read their charter, diplomatic solutions are impossible when their fundamental goal is to wipe Israel off the map, they aren't changing it for anyone. prpjustice
I think the human, Jeremy Corbyn, made very good points
disagreed with the creatures with human faces
SHADOW MAN!
+Ashirai Musikavanhu pretty dangerous language to use when talking about people , isn't that similar to the way hitler talked about jews.
+FLORIDA right.... its a metaphoric statement of how i feel of politicians carry themselves. Just watch and you can tell that they dont mean what they say (with the exception of Corbyn), merely trying to appear well (as a candidate). Watch Corbyns gestures and body language and you can tell he is a human being that quite frankly is being attacked by this political class (why are previous Labour leaders getting involved in this 'democratic' process... and passive aggressively condemning him as a potential leader)
You choosing to find parallels with nazi germany's hostilities towards jews is entirely up to you and is baseless with what I am referring to NOT as a race but a political class that implies to support, sympathise and relate to the working man (while sipping port in their country estates and really being conservatives).
If people cannot use such language anymore then i guess I better stop reading Game of Thrones (and many good books out there). My advice, chillax dewd.
Hahaha the human. I like that.
It's obvious to me that Yvette's advisers have told her to go on the attack against Jeremy & his policies the way the No campaign did against the Yes campaign in the Scottish referendum debate. Will this be to her benefit or detriment. That's the question. I'm hoping for the latter.
Corbyn for the win.
Corbyn is the only principled candidate here. The others can barely speak their own minds, so trussed up by focus group driven doublespeak are they. They spout platitudes, homilies and truisms where Corbyn just says what he thinks, and demonstrates by his every utterance and action that he understand the issues in ways the others do not. At times it was as if he was schooling the others in topics they should have been experts in. They don't seem to have a clue. The thought that one of those body snatchers could one day be Prime Minister is frightening. Corbyn is England's last hope. [I'm from Scotland, so we already have a few like him here.]
+periurban agreed.
God I hate Liz Kendall. Why doesn't she just join the Tory party?
+periurban Nothing principled about this man, who said that Bin Laden's death was an equal a tragedy as 9/11.
DancinJim no, he said that by killing him no justice was served by never putting him on trial. This, as he points out is an idealogical issue, a tragedy piled upon further tragedy.Only dialogue and finding common ground will change this. The alternative, endless war without end.
Question the motive for assuming this means he felt remorse for this terrible man's death. What is the political Right so afraid of that they feel the need to do this?
+periurban There's a difference between their approaches to politics. AB, LK and LC are all triangulators and that is their single political philosophy and shows how vacuous they all are. Jeremy Corbyn, uses facts because he has deep roots in socialist thinking and he has holistic world view on issues which he sees in a a socialist way and that is why he can speak the truth.
+my youtube account As an American citizen, I can tell you that what you wrote was complete and utter bullshit the *first* time you wrote it. It hasn't gotten any better with this, or any other iterations. You might actually consider:
1) Stopping the self abuse, and the laughingstock you are making yourself out to be, and,
2) understand the nature of this video, and either add to the discussion, or be conspicuous in your silence, and
3) investigating the actual facts surrounding the topic you seem to be desiring to bring to the table. You may be shocked, yes SHOCKED at what current information has to offer you.
Krishnan is more bothered about getting the candidates to argue with each other rather than gaining good answers to good questions. I personally cannot stand his provocative, tabloid-esque interviewing style.
+Bradley Stones He really is bad. I don't know what happened to him, he used to be good.
+Hazelwood Guitars They must have changed his terms of employment?
+Hazelwood Guitars I know what you mean, with Channel 4 News generally this appears to be an issue.
+Bradley Stones If all it takes is KGM to make these idiots argue, the future doesnt bode well for the Labour party.
+Bradley Stones The premise in this election is that leader candidates should be having serious debate about the most significant issues facing the citizens of UK. Getting the candidates to have this debate is worse than pulling teeth. Krishnan got tasked with the effort. It is not entirely his fault that he faces the same difficulties everyone else has had getting three of the four candidates to issue a simple "Yes!" or "No!" on virtually anything! I'm not defending him, per se, but I think it would be fair to at least set the circumstance you are decrying.
corbyn is the only rational person present
"Those that fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it."
Winston Churchill
God help us if andy burnham or liz kendall one day lead this country. Corbyn seems to be the only one who recognises that history is on the verge of repeating itself.
Björn Eriksson much as I admire Churchill that quote was NOT his. The original was made by the Latino American philosopher Santayana, it is none the less true for all that!
And Labour very much failed to learn from history. They failed to learn that left wing leaders result in catastrophic defeats (e.g. 1983) and that more centrist leaders results in huge victories (e.g. 1997). Fortunately they now have learnt this and are back on a winning path.
Jeremy Corbyn absolutely smashed that one. Probably his best to date, the others once again squabbled over each other. If Jeremy wins this election on the most democratic voting system to date, will they oppose him even though he has a mandate through the Labour members.
Then just kept losing leading to a tory 80 seat maj , yes great job not !!!!
He's a clown.
At the end of the day all the nuance of differences between the candidates means relatively little when one of the candidates, Jeremy Corbyn, is offering structural reform which allows for democratic policy making.
That's a real advance in the nature of the politics of this country and I'm in.
Liz Kendall conducting foreign policy scares the fuck out of me
Krishnan is just sniping at them, not moderating discussion.
+Joe List The guy is a fool. More interested in getting short politically charged soundbites that he and hes pals can misinterpret for the following days headlines.
+Joe List. Good point. Paxman wannabe really (and there's only one Jeremy Paxman!)
Jeremy Corbyn talks from a position of knowledge and talks a lot of sense. No flannel
No ability to bring the different sides of the party together, that is why he failed.
Andy just copying eveythink jeremy has said.
I love Corbyn telling off the kids.
Useful to watch these debates years after, Corbyn won the debate then and has been proved correct on almost all the points he made since
Now the 'kids' are telling him off
Love Corbyn! Wish I had joined so I could have voted for him. The only politician that is in it for the greater good, rather than power.
The important thing is not to win at all costs, the the important thing is to make ethical decisions that the country can get behind.
The country is more divided than ever. Corbyn is the only one that can pull everyone together for the common good.
Please can the other candidates stop misquoting him just to create fear mongering sound bites to be used in the tabloid media.
you can tell that Burnham doesn't believe anything, he's a soundbite man
Gotta love the recent Leadership Hustings, but where on Earth are the Deputy Leadership Hustings?!?
Yvette is wrong. All money is created out of nothing by banks or by government. Whether it causes inflation or not is dependent on how it is used. If it is used for productive purposes, job creation, research and services it will not cause inflation.
Banks cause house price inflation but Yvette does not shout about that.
She is a neoliberal fool. Deluded by Harvard neoliberal economics which the lesson is- its ok for banks and rich people to get government subsidy (93 bn a year), but the peasants must borrow from banks. Overt Monetary finance is infaltionary she says. But it is really keeping the poor poorer and the middle classes in debt.
Canada had peoples quantitative easing for decades to grow their economies and SMEs. IT WORKED. www.neweconomics.org/publications/entry/strategic-quantitative-easing
+SANDRA CRAWFORD Correction: not having OMF will keep the poor poorer!
+SANDRA CRAWFORD Its amazing that people are still scared of QE even though there is evidence that it worked in various countries. Especially when you consider how unsuccessful the alternative(s) have been.
+SANDRA CRAWFORD Loud and relentless in her criticism of JC's economic proposals (which Joseph Stigliz a nobel prize winning economist doesn't think are that bad) she doesn't actually say what her proposals are. They really don't get that people are fed up with their ilk. If we wanted the same old timid, tow-the-line, business-before-people labour policies Milliband would have won.
+Imanuela E You were NOT supposed to notice that. She isn't saying, which is a true statement because she has none. That doesn't seem, however to be slowing down her fallacious rhetoric one bit, does it?
why does the audio go off at 21 mins????????
5:39 "So, nobody will top Yvette Cooper's 10,000?". FFS Krishnan, it's not a bloody auction! Seriously Channel 4, you need to raise your game. The refugee crisis is serious, requiring intelligent discourse and thoughtful solutions. You undermine it by asking such facile, simplistic questions.
+Darth Splong New gameshow on Channel 4 - Migrant Wheel of Fortune.....
andy trying to be everything to everybody - desperate
Corbyn is the only option here. The other 3 would struggle to make the shadow cabinet
I doubt a Corbyn government would actually leave NATO or bin Trident - but it would open up a whole new debate and turn the status quo on its head - which is something we all welcome after being mis-governed for so long
Andy Burnham looks and sounds like a double glazing salesman.
Thank you. 5 minutes of this and I'll sleep like a baby.
Mr. Burnham says that Mr. Corbyn is making excuses for Putin. I don't hear this at all. Is he on the same programme?
Jeremy is so patient and such a good debater
He was rejected twice, move on.
I am still asking a question that cannot seem to find an accurate answer:
Who is withholding the release of the Chilcott Report? I wouldn't dare to presume asking a followup question: "Why?"
Corbyn is head and shoulders above the others ... compared to him they're like children. A Corbyn win.
Corbyn is the first politician that seems genuine and caring, the most important thing to me when choosing a leader of a nation.
Haha I love Jeremy's response to Krishnan at 23:20 ... the pause has comic timing and just shoots down his question haha
so yvette cooper's married to ed balls - i wonder why she didn't take on her husband's name......?
Yvette Balls Cooper / Yvette Cooper Balls / or Yvette Booper / Yvette Coolls
Ayat78 i dunno. Cooper-Balls has a certain ring to it, don't you think?
Well Harriet Harman is married to Jack Dromey and she hasn't changed her surname.
+ShieldShinto fucking idiot, Robert was making a joke, Yvette Balls would be ( I've ate Balls) it went totally over your head.
+Neil Wagstaff lmfao I know
Jermy Corbyn. You have my vote.
He's washed up.
In 2015 Labour chose a slice of Clown, this time a slice of power.
I liked the closing bit... where the camera pans out and it's completely silent. I like to imagine the news room was actually that quiet. Like it was that awkward that they just sat there looking at each other.
Jeremy needs to win the leadership. He is the Captain Picard of politics.
More Kinnock
I'm not sure I've cringed this much in a UK political debate in my life. AB, YC and LK talk about "winning" like British politics is a football match. Just so detached.
Liz - people did not vote Labour because we were no different to the Tories - not because we weren't tough enough on the economy!
Anybody else experiencing problems playing this video?
29:30 Yvette Cooper (Balls Edition Mk ii) starts to malfunction?
+Channel 4 News
KGM did a good job here.
Politicians and politician answers are so indecisive it starts to grate.
At the start of this I was on the fence.
By the middle of it I stopped listening to the right side of the table.
By the end I'm leaning toward Corbyn.
I find it funny that the other 3 would vote so they can win something, or vote for party solidarity (seems a bit cultish) But none mentioned they would vote for what is best for the context they are voting in.
For them its about winning and appeasing. Not actually about progress.
You still lean on Corbyn?
Jeremy is superbly thoughtful!!!!!
@jezwecan
Corbyn nailed it.
'You cant con an honest john.'
Is it me or are some of them starting to sound more Jeremy like? Things I know he started saying months ago have suddenly started coming from the others. e.g. Cut off the arms sales, oil sales related to ISIS
It seems to me Jeremy Corben is the only one with any convictions at all. He may of always e 100per cent right but it makes a positive change from all the ifs and buts we are sick of hearing from politicians. Tony Blair at least made a decision. He may have to answer for it but I am sick to death of watching people suffer while we think about it.
Jeremy comes over as cool and confident of his answers which are articulate and detailed. KGM doesn't seem inclined to ask him anything (probably because he knows he can't get the better of him) on a previous interview on C4 News he was despair ate to try and smear him as a racist and willing sympathiser by association with terrorists. It was great to hear Jeremy get one over on him when he pointed out that Blair had met Hamas more times than him. And I would add that Blair has a much more dubious reputation as he has willingly associated with despots in countries like Azerbaijan and Uzbekistan - but I suppose KGM thinks that is ok? It's about time C4 terminated his contract as he is degrading the generally high quality of their reporting - he's so tabloid.
Yvette Stupors necklace looks like the "All Seeing Eye".
Wow Britain finds its humanity in Corbyn.
For someone who has a degree in Economics, why does Yvette sound so thick on the subject? I believe that she knows 'Corbynomics' isn't so terrible and that it can actually work, but chooses to slam it. Notice the language she uses when she addresses Quantitative Easing. She doesn't use the proper term, but rather use phrases to make it sound like a silly idea. Also there is absolutely no evidence that QE causes inflation when the last time it was used by Labour, inflation went up to 0.
She seems to be so against QE even though she agrees it was the right thing to do for the banks. "It was a crises" - her excuse as to why it was okay to use it then. Are we not in a public service and housing crises at the moment? Umm yeah I think we are!
It reminds me of my student days. The well educated well versed lecturer with his three students. Rock on JC
That's right Andy and cooper start hugging up to liz that will win you votes.
Boy, what a trio of lightweights. And people wonder why Corbyn is doing well.
can we have a rerun of the chilcott report because we don t
like the result
Corby is clearly going to win it now. Although I do like some of Yvette Cooper's policies. But Corby is just on form and if he becomes Prime Minister in 2020 he would turn Great Britain back into a truly GREAT country.
Make Britain Great Again? He lost two elections
Sound quality was terrible
The David Brent at 44.47 is class .. Next he'll do the Brent dance
Aaaand Jeremy Won! I think it's great when the most right-wing person in the shadow cabinet is Andy, who's pretty centre-left, socialist cabinet for the win! Andy was always my second choice after Jeremy, Yvette and Liz are far too fascist.
JEREMY PHWOAR-BYN
It's so sad how the host is trying to divide everyone on an issue which needs unity and co-operation
wow - the 3 stooges are so shook up by Jeremy Corbyn!!
I think I will join Labour if JC is leader. But will turn my back on Labour if they rig the vote against him
Why did it get cut off in mid flow with AB accusing JC of supporting Putin? Not what you want the public to hear?
+RJ k Grow up
***** hamas is the elected representative of Gaza you have to speak to them.
29:20 - A root of the smear. - 29:20
44:49 - My G! - 44:49
30.30 Perfect response from Jeremy Corbyn
Kirshnan at it yet again with his rude, aggressive, condescending interview style. All he ever asks for is a number - can he not appreciate the complexity of the issues discussed? A number doesn't mean anything.
Yvette looks like a credible leader of the opposition ... not the opposition to the Tories, the opposition to Jeremy Corbyn.
So, looks like Corbyns the guy?
Maybe MP's that rent out their London homes while claiming Parliamentary expenses for hotel rooms could be persuaded to house a few refugee families. I'm fairly confident that their palatial des reses can accomodate a few more people than the average council house.
Just a thought!
Last time I checked on the last Labour debate on Sky News yesterday, Corbyn was polling on an audience approval rating of 80%!
Yes..,.
wow Corbyn is bang on the money on every point from Immigration policies, status, questionably presented data of 2014-15 and Foreign policies.
From his other interviews, it gave an impression that he might not have clear where his position is when it comes to foreign policy but I can see here he is absolutely spot on. Except for how things would pan out for his plans, understandably which no one can predict considering the current political and economic tensions across Europe.
Shame that MSM is misrepresenting him, and the other naive leadership contenders have no clue on even the current immigration policy or the history of foreign policy, they seem to get sucked into public and media sentiment and react cluelessly.
Hope those many many Bitish people wake up and realize the truth, I don't know how they still believe the MSM and a government which colloborated with the US to violate our privacies to the extreme. It makes me wonder if they wanna stay brainwashed.
I think anyone claiming benefits are unfairly judged by people. If you need housing benefits whilst working full time then you are not getting the handouts, your landlord is getting it. If you need working tax credits and wage top ups just to put food on the table whilst working full time or single parents working part time then they are not getting the handout, your employer is because they continue to pay the minimum wage or sometimes lower.
We really need to rethink the entire way of thinking in regards to people claiming benefits.
Both parents claiming in a work free household is the issue.
The Labour implosion continues. It's the funniest thing I've seen since '83.
its a bastard having to fast forward every time Kendall speaks
Four questions, four politicians. And not one single answer. Just like a bunch of American politicians.
This is really quite encouraging. Any one of this gaggle being elected the new Labour leader will at least guarantee we keep our country free from another nightmare Labour government for a few years.
Senior Labour politicians (Yvette Cooper here, Jack Straw a few weeks ago on Today program) are very keen to insist on the fundamental difference between Quantitative Easing as performed by the BoE and the direct injection of money into the economy through government spending that Corbyn is suggesting. The only difference was that the former was a roundabout and ultimately less effective way of achieving the latter (let's be clear, as the BoE are, that the purpose of QE is to inject newly 'printed' money into the economy; the bailout of the banks by the Government is a completely separate issue).
The fundamental point here is that we shouldn't leave it to private banks to determine the money supply according to whether or not they feel like lending money and for what purposes. It should be up to a democratically accountable entity, similar to the Monetary Policy Committee (only more transparent). Should it conclude that a greater quantity of money is required in the economy then the BoE will 'print' new money to be invested in public infrastructure.
Yvette Cooper is plain wrong if she thinks increasing the money supply in a growing economy is automatically inflationary. In fact that's backwards - an expanding number of transactions (i.e. an increasing GDP) requires an expanding quantity of money in circulation if prices are not to fall. However, 1) this is predicated upon removing private banks' ability to print money, i.e. moving to a 100% reserve banking system, and 2) this is not a blank cheque - and would lead to inflation were it overused.
Jeremy Corbyn should be applauded for raising the issue, but he needs to clarify his position to be more credible. To be fair to him, that's pretty hard to do when his interrogators seem to understand so little about the subject matter.
I'm a Rothbardian Anarcho-Libertarian, (that's what a lot of people would call Far-Right, in case you're trying to figure out whether to hate me or not) and yet, a lot of what Corbyn says (not all, by any means) sounds more reasonable and more evidence-based than the alternative suggestions.
Its almost like Jeremy is debating some sort of three-headed monster. I'm not a labour supporter by any means, but I respect him massively and he does seem to be a genuinely decent human.
He's a deeply unpleasant, divisive man who's been ejected from the party like the washed up Clown he really was.
Kendall can't keep a straight face when she says 'I don't understand'.
This is how you do leadership debates.
44.50 brilliant look to the camera by Jez
Somebody told Cooper she has to try and keep up some weird smile while talking. Dear.
i don't get why its called 'Quantitative Easing' when money is printed for the big banks, but called 'printing money' if we decide we want some new schools and hospitals. Anyone care to explain the difference?
Corbyn FTW
Jeremy, she's concerned about QE because she believes it is a weak point for Corbyn. Unfortunately, she doesn't seem to realize that every time she trots out her "concerns", she is giving Jeremy an opportunity to confirm that she has absolutely, positively NO idea what she is talking about. His subtle and unbelievably successful strategy continues to be to simply allow her to saw off the branch behind her. "Please proceed, Yvette." Classic.
Hurray.! New Labour are back! Yvette and Liz are back! Kier is in charge! We shall all be saved now!! Appeasement will set your free!!
I've voted for AB, but think if he wins, he must put JC in a key role. He is a good communicator & his sincerity shines out.
How's it feel you voted for a flip floper tory lite and more of the same basically ed with a new face.
+Di Soye Well said Di, im just srry you did not vote for JC.
Im Canadian. What I see are three people who have trouble taking positions on issuesv - playing it 'safe' if you will. Then I see one individual who has a clear vision of where he wants to go, where his party should go, and what he wants the world to be.
This one person was routinely attacked for his views and the process he goes about in tackling issues (talking to those he disagrees with is an example).
Which one person do you think I am speaking about?
I see one leader on this stage.
Guru-Murthy boils my blood. In the opening minutes he's asking each candidate to come up with an arbitrary figure for the number of migrants that Britain should be taking in. He complains that no one is answering the question adequately. Why push for someone to just pluck a number out of their head?
It's literally just posturing. A way that he can be shown to have the candidates on the back foot. Creating the illusion that "he" is putting them under pressure. It doesn't fool anybody.
Unfortunately the bravado doesn't work very well when I've got thumbnails to the right of the video showing Richard Ayoade, Quentin Tarantino and Robert Downey Jr. in interviews where this slimy cretin has his own backside handed to him.
One of the major reasons Corbyn won, was because he offered an alternative, the other's offered nothing but the same, they were idea-less Kendall was the worst example of all, trying to make Tory policies acceptable. I'll vote for Corbyn win or lose, because politics is about values and principle and standing up for something, not just winning at all costs.
DONT LET THEM IN....SEND EM BACK..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Looking at Mr. Corbyn speaking to Ms. Kendal about Nato at 25.05, you have to wonder how Ms. Kendal got her First in PPE?It may just be me. But, does she just not understand about NATO? Does she not want to understand?Why is there the profound lack of understanding ?Are they teaching this PPE thing properly?
well done C4 that was the best of the leadership debates
cu
Where is the money comming from
This was the first leadership election I voted for.
Who did you vote for?
@@iwasborn8470Clown Corbyn 🤡
Congratulations Jeremy Corbyn. #RealChange
Summary of the debate: shouting match.
Hold on, we have a housing crisis, people struggling to eat, high immigration, NHS and schools suffering and homeless. I agree these people need help but i don't think it a solution just to let them in.