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  • Опубликовано: 11 фев 2020
  • Labour leadership candidates Emily Thornberry, Rebecca Long-Bailey, Keir Starmer and Lisa Nandy go head-to-head in the first televised leadership debate. Subscribe to our channel here: goo.gl/31Q53F
    Making their case to lead the Labour Party and succeed Jeremy Corbyn, the four leadership candidates lay out their plans in a Newsnight special hosted by Katie Razzall.
    The Labour leadership contest was triggered when Mr Corbyn announced he intends to step down following the party's fourth general election defeat in a row.
    Labour’s performance in December’s general election was the party’s worst defeat since 1935.
    Labour’s next leader will be announced on 4 April.
    Rosena Allin-Khan, Richard Burgon, Dawn Butler, Ian Murray and Angela Rayner are currently in the running for the deputy leader role.
    Newsnight is the BBC's flagship news and current affairs TV programme - with analysis, debate, exclusives, and robust interviews.
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Комментарии • 967

  • @tutenvanman2715
    @tutenvanman2715 4 года назад +75

    Worse episode of Would I lie to you ever screened.

  • @olninyo
    @olninyo 4 года назад +52

    not a fan of the host poking the candidates (metaphorically) with a pointy stick to get a reaction, rather than asking hard questions and promoting debate.

    • @1dkappe
      @1dkappe 4 года назад +2

      Olly Skillman-Wilson seems to be part of the BBC journalism standard moderator course. Interrupt. Badger. Ignore the answer. This wasn’t a debate.

    • @olninyo
      @olninyo 4 года назад +1

      @Crom true, and I think they do, I just found out it irritating as a viewer

    • @ryanodonnell6748
      @ryanodonnell6748 4 года назад

      Why not poke them..?? If it was an Illegal war (IRAQ) and its not Tony Blairs fault then who is to blame then?? The IRAQ WAR is 1 of the reasons the Labour Party has lost Scotland and the opportunity to get Scotland back passed many years ago (TRUST ME ON THAT 1) The reality is of course that the Labour Party cannot get back into power without Scotland and Scotland will never ever allow them back in. So when the Labour Party let SCOTLAND down unbeknown to everyone outside Scotland was they let down the English Labour voters also because the TORIES will win every General election now.

    • @patrickolliffe8892
      @patrickolliffe8892 3 года назад +1

      It would be funny if she did it literally on random intervals.

  • @bb4l881
    @bb4l881 4 года назад +46

    This is what you get for paying your TV licence fee!

  • @nicksimmons7234
    @nicksimmons7234 4 года назад +186

    Terrible moderator! Just wanted sound bites.

    • @borntodoit8744
      @borntodoit8744 4 года назад +2

      Actually the lack of real probing by interviewer was a good thing.
      Did you not see the leader hopefulls ..didn't bicker ..didn't undermine each other ...and did manage to state their positions clearly on issues.
      That's the benefit of interviewer being less examining...these guys got to say their peice!
      Next round sure ask more questions find the overlap and the differences.

    • @James-oo9ov
      @James-oo9ov 4 года назад +17

      @Crom No it's not u daft guy

    • @sunnybunny6278
      @sunnybunny6278 4 года назад +2

      yep. A vanity interview.

    • @jamiengo2343
      @jamiengo2343 4 года назад +1

      BornToDoIt they barely answered the questions!

    • @Clavinovaman
      @Clavinovaman 4 года назад +4

      Exactly, terrible interview, even by Newsnight's standards.

  • @daftwod
    @daftwod 4 года назад +70

    90% of the people watching this are here to mock it.

    • @disobeytoday4685
      @disobeytoday4685 4 года назад +9

      Rightfully so

    • @Clavinovaman
      @Clavinovaman 4 года назад +3

      Would you like to highlight a key element of the interview where you feel Labour have the seeds to shine?

    • @daftwod
      @daftwod 4 года назад +3

      @@Clavinovaman The chick on the left is doable and hasnt annoyed me in the past..

    • @Clavinovaman
      @Clavinovaman 4 года назад +1

      @@daftwod That's not what I asked you.

    • @daftwod
      @daftwod 4 года назад +3

      @@Clavinovaman it was a gay question and i only do manly men.

  • @rowdogspeaks5900
    @rowdogspeaks5900 4 года назад +40

    This presenter is just trying to get them to throw each other under a bus. Glad they're not falling for it.

  • @thegooddoctordeep
    @thegooddoctordeep 4 года назад +47

    Emily Thornberry looks like she's always angry.

    • @bigpete4227
      @bigpete4227 4 года назад +15

      She has an
      “I’m better than you” look on her face.

    • @swlyons
      @swlyons 4 года назад +8

      So would you if you looked like Emily Thornberry.

    • @PhoebeMostafa
      @PhoebeMostafa 4 года назад +1

      It's her eyebrows.

    • @MrP1.01
      @MrP1.01 4 года назад +3

      Thornbury the Hutt has anger issues and the personality of ground glass

    • @mattmatt4000
      @mattmatt4000 4 года назад +3

      Superiority complex

  • @fredsmith5473
    @fredsmith5473 4 года назад +22

    Mirror mirror on the wall, which is the wokest of them all?

  • @yasminelever
    @yasminelever 4 года назад +11

    TERRIBLE moderator.

  • @yaxl
    @yaxl 4 года назад +67

    When is the Change UK debate on?

  • @jerryjones9799
    @jerryjones9799 4 года назад +69

    Thornberry -"if you cut off a snakes head all you get is a dead snake" ...WTF.....hilarious. We want dead snakes!

    • @forestpump
      @forestpump 4 года назад +9

      Yeah her analogy died very quickly there, the rest of the snake isn't very deadly without its head

    • @thegooddoctordeep
      @thegooddoctordeep 4 года назад +4

      I don't think she knew where she was going with that one. She just ended up with a dead snake.

    • @WatchAlfiePlay
      @WatchAlfiePlay 4 года назад +3

      I really tried to make sense of that one... I think she is saying that you haven't solved the problem, you have removed the head... the thinking part, the part that can be changed through words and early release sentences... That's as far as I got before I realized that she is as looney as the other three. 10 years of Boris here we come.

    • @SkiddyGaming
      @SkiddyGaming 4 года назад +8

      She was trying to make a Libya analogy I think, in which case you absolutely don't want a "dead snake". They cut off the head (Gaddafi), and were left with a dead snake (complete anarchy followed by a still ongoing civil war that turned part of the country into a recruiting field for ISIS. No effective government at all).
      To expand on the analogy, having a snake burrow in your yard can be scary... but killing it and leaving the corpse by the door can be far worse given time... carcasses attract all manner of vermin, and become deadly vectors for disease. In this case, the "disease ridden vermin" are terrorist organizations... and they are far more likely to spread out and affect you directly than the "snake" itself would've been to aggressively leave the burrow and strike you... the "Snake" is deadlier in the immediate, should it choose to strike... but it's FAR less likely to than the vermin that will be drawn to its carcass... and their affect on you and your yard is lingering, and hard to wash away. Unfortunately for us, on our little ball in space, we don't have anywhere to take and dispose of dead snakes once we've cut their heads off... they just have to stay by the door... drawing all manner of vermin. Better to leave the "Snake" to its burrow if you have the choice.

    • @skilso
      @skilso 4 года назад

      Jerry Jones the lardy bottom that is the great white thornbelly

  • @gben6156
    @gben6156 4 года назад +13

    They don’t understand the country

  • @maidsubrena
    @maidsubrena 4 года назад +11

    on Immigration, there is no mention of certain ethnic minorities responsible for grooming gangs, no mention of the dilution of a "British" culture. Right of wrong, many people voted for Brexit on the basis of controlling our boarders, Labour, and for that matter, the BBC simply will not enter into this issue. Boris won on the basis of common sense over political correctness.

    • @taswariqbal2917
      @taswariqbal2917 2 года назад

      To be honest all these things you mention it's all lies and corruption especially the grooming cases there is no justice go to Oxford and ask the Asian community most are wrongly imprisonment it's purely racism and jealousy you have to pay your way round

  • @agt155
    @agt155 4 года назад +13

    Remember when Thornberry paid her brother to dress up as a builder so she could pretend to be from a working class background. Her brother was a well known photo-journalist who lived in a £3m Islington townhouse.

    • @mattygino
      @mattygino 4 года назад

      Just had a quick look at her [Thornberry] wikipedia, here's an short except: 'When Thornberry was seven, her parents divorced and she had to leave their home with her mother and two brothers. After this, she relied on free school meals and food parcels, and their cats were euthanised to save money'. She has done well for herself to get to where she is now, but If you are talking about her background, it most certainly does appear to be working class.

    • @agt155
      @agt155 4 года назад +1

      @@mattygino You missed out the bit about her father being a practicing law professor, deputy secretary general of the UN and former Labour parliamentary candidate for Guildford, and her mother being head of English at a prestigious school and later councillor and Mayor of Guildford. Just your typical working class upbringing.
      Dig in to Long-Bailey and Starmer's true backgrounds and you'll see the same pattern. Wealthy labour-activist parents, privileged upbringing, posh schools, gifted job in the Labour party/unions.

    • @gibsonagg
      @gibsonagg 4 года назад +1

      @@agt155 No I didn't miss that part, I read it. My point is, most if not all people who have had truly privileged upbringings don't usually have sections of their lives where they are having to live hand to mouth relying on food parcels, they are financially secure. Her education also appears typical of a working class background having attended a secondary modern.

    • @agt155
      @agt155 4 года назад +1

      @@gibsonagg Not only must she have been the only working class girl with a head teacher mother and law professor father in the UK, but she also has a track record of lying about her upbringing, and sneering at the class she pretends to be a part of. You are making the mistake of believing what she says.

    • @skilso
      @skilso 4 года назад

      agt155 such a fraud

  • @user-tj2ry1vz2v
    @user-tj2ry1vz2v 4 года назад +40

    I'm not sure why but Thornberry saying foreign policy is 'kind of her thing' is hilariously condescending

    • @djbabbotstown
      @djbabbotstown 4 года назад +2

      派耀诚
      and she’s so clearly lacking.

    • @robgreen1818
      @robgreen1818 4 года назад +1

      She was shadow foreign secretary.

    • @user-tj2ry1vz2v
      @user-tj2ry1vz2v 4 года назад +1

      @@robgreen1818 I understand entirely. It was the way in which she said it that I found rather amusing.

    • @MaisieDaisyUpsadaisy
      @MaisieDaisyUpsadaisy 4 года назад +1

      Daniel Clark Clark A lot of people who are experts in international relations are going to stumble when it comes to remembering small details like that. Why? Because international relations is hyper complex and constantly changing.

    • @nnnn818
      @nnnn818 4 года назад

      she is so incredibly unlikeable

  • @jonlawford7426
    @jonlawford7426 4 года назад +32

    It's just a race to the bottom for Labour now, isn't it?

  • @benvids
    @benvids 4 года назад +41

    I’m surprised nobody is complaining about a ‘lack of diversity’ on this panel.

    • @jeffrejr1
      @jeffrejr1 4 года назад +2

      Ben this is England they've never had a diverse leadership race in any party.

    • @mrc3014
      @mrc3014 4 года назад +16

      would of been great to see diane abbot there, that would of made my day. you dont get more diverse than her.

    • @MrP1.01
      @MrP1.01 4 года назад +6

      They have a Ginger

    • @mrc3014
      @mrc3014 4 года назад +8

      @Zola mate he isnt complaining and he does have a point, this is 2020 and its the labour party, who pride themselves on diversity, just not when it comes to the important jobs clearly.

    • @filipmacamhalghaidh9493
      @filipmacamhalghaidh9493 4 года назад +1

      would love to see one of their diversity hires like abbotpotamus or lammy up there, talking absolute drivel!!

  • @british.scorpion
    @british.scorpion 4 года назад +4

    Stop paying the TV licence 'tax'. It's not as hard as you think, not watching live TV. The BBC is haemorrhaging viewers and needs to become a subscription service. Decriminalise non-payment of the licence fee. Labour is a dead snake already.

  • @cameronw3159
    @cameronw3159 4 года назад +8

    Is it just me or does Emily Thornberry remind you of Dolores umbridge

    • @sallykat6944
      @sallykat6944 4 года назад

      Pretty sure Umbridge was based on Thatcher - have you seen their speeches?

    • @snkethan
      @snkethan 4 года назад

      you know... i kinda see it

  • @MonsterTrouserSnake
    @MonsterTrouserSnake 4 года назад +20

    This is what you get when you don't listen to the 'people'

    • @andysvlogsandfoodreviews6947
      @andysvlogsandfoodreviews6947 4 года назад +4

      Totally agree with you teddy face don't think it makes any difference which one is leader labour won't win maybe they have been listening to much to Jo swinson

    • @natasharenston3675
      @natasharenston3675 4 года назад +1

      More like.. they didn't have a 3 word catchphrase on repeat. It's not like the Tories ever listened to anyone.

  • @godking5848
    @godking5848 4 года назад +16

    Our university system owes us reparations

    • @godking5848
      @godking5848 4 года назад +4

      @looes74 looes74 write better

    • @godking5848
      @godking5848 4 года назад +1

      @looes74 looes74 it doesn't have to be Wordsworth mate but put some effort in

    • @superchazney198
      @superchazney198 4 года назад

      Go on then.... why?

    • @daftwod
      @daftwod 4 года назад

      If you really think that, you are ironically correct.
      Any university that failed you this badly still owes you something.

  • @guvnormcfc66
    @guvnormcfc66 4 года назад +7

    Vote Labour for the Criminal not the Victim.

  • @davidevans5955
    @davidevans5955 4 года назад +6

    Emily whingberry should be a actor she can look you straight in your eyes and lie

  • @peterallison4464
    @peterallison4464 4 года назад +5

    The party of irrelevance. This has become a political party with no significance to modern Britain. I was a labour supporter no longer, they are absolutely useless and a embarrassment.

    • @chulz1080
      @chulz1080 8 дней назад

      you might want to reconsider

  • @callum6486
    @callum6486 4 года назад +21

    Can we just not pick any of them and ignore labour from now on?

    • @johnathanpearson3203
      @johnathanpearson3203 4 года назад +10

      @looes74 looes74 typical Corbyn voter.

    • @gos4343
      @gos4343 4 года назад +2

      You want to ignore them but you watch them......so the answer is ; yes you and others can ignore them but first stop watching them....do you see how that works hmmm ?

    • @mrc3014
      @mrc3014 4 года назад +2

      @@gos4343 I think its best to form an opinion after watching them not before, going by the looks of those four the conservatives are in for a long run. labour vs the torys is like watching the student union vs the teachers.

    • @TheGodsrighthandman
      @TheGodsrighthandman 4 года назад +1

      @@gos4343 You want to ignore a slow-motion car crash but you still watch it . . . Doesn't mean you want any part of that shit in your life, hmmm?

    • @HUMPTYNUGGET
      @HUMPTYNUGGET 4 года назад +1

      @@gos4343 no I love watching the far left eat itself ...it just gets better and better ...they haven't got a clue why they lost ...so no Labour government for at least 10 years ..happy days🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @dc8890
    @dc8890 4 года назад +8

    Rebecca Long-Bailey seems like the most tedious by far. And Keir seems the most sensible to me.

    • @kwameaboagye7959
      @kwameaboagye7959 4 года назад +1

      Becky Long Bailey makes a lot of sense than that toff Starmer

    • @markfisk2243
      @markfisk2243 4 года назад

      Does he come across as a strong leader though ? I would say no .

  • @jagsherdhaliwal3191
    @jagsherdhaliwal3191 4 года назад +6

    Sound bites sound bites sound bites, I want sound bites. This is just so wrong

  • @graham7176
    @graham7176 4 года назад +13

    We do not want to stop immigration just control it effectively. They always use the NHS as a reason not to. Travel to any major Town or City and see practically complete suberb areas populated with immigrants. Do they all work in the NHS, no they don't. It needs controlling fairly for all people or it will cause big problems in the future.

    • @drybokes7055
      @drybokes7055 4 года назад

      In the future?

    • @luxfer7794
      @luxfer7794 4 года назад +2

      Ye dude thats the problem with our country. Its all the immigrants hahahah. After we leave the EU then what will you blame it on? Or maybe you will start to wake up

  • @doug5101
    @doug5101 4 года назад +6

    Is there nothing else to report on out there? Or is the bbc carrying on with there support for the labour party?

    • @johnathanpearson3203
      @johnathanpearson3203 4 года назад +2

      @@hydrophobicspider are you saying that newsnight is not biased?

    • @ashleyauty9642
      @ashleyauty9642 4 года назад +3

      @@hydrophobicspider Millennials came through a Labour education system and thier the least productive generation so far. Socialism for you.

    • @danlewis92
      @danlewis92 4 года назад +1

      ashley Auty Thanks for explaining Britain’s productivity crisis in no uncertain terms. New Labour’s education policies clearly to blame, nothing to do with Tory austerity...

    • @ashleyauty9642
      @ashleyauty9642 4 года назад +1

      @@danlewis92 lack of minimum wage jobs for that generation is down to Labour. "Rub thier noses in Diversity" Bliar said. Austerity was a consequence for Labour spending and punishment for voting the party in that spent it all. 90% of people I've seen on the news using food bank have been overweight, can't claim one is starving if one has a case of muffin top.

    • @danlewis92
      @danlewis92 4 года назад +1

      ashley Auty You clearly know the square root of zero about economics and are lacking in altruism. I suggest you take a trip to your local food bank for a visit and read Austerity by Mark Blyth.

  • @markcafferkey9230
    @markcafferkey9230 4 года назад +17

    Nandy came across very very well here.

    • @ZaydDepaor
      @ZaydDepaor 4 года назад +2

      No she comes across as a stooge of Zionism.

    • @markcafferkey9230
      @markcafferkey9230 4 года назад +9

      @@ZaydDepaor fuck off you crackpot

    • @ZaydDepaor
      @ZaydDepaor 4 года назад

      @@markcafferkey9230 No, you can go and worship your masters.

    • @geezalee1677
      @geezalee1677 4 года назад +6

      @@ZaydDepaor She is Chair of Labour Friends of Palestine, you still think she a stooge of Zionism.

    • @ZaydDepaor
      @ZaydDepaor 4 года назад +2

      @@geezalee1677 Yes I do, as was clear from her words (and she said she was anyway in this clip). Friends of Palestine means nothing in the mainstream political establishment, as it usually recognizes Israeli illegitimacy, crimes, oppression and theft etc. She was saying that denying Israel's right to exist is anti-semitic, which is false, lots of Jews say it shouldn't exist. And how can it have a right to exist when it didn't exist? People who opposed creation of Israel on Palestinian land were anti-semitic? That means anyone who opposes a black guy robbing your home and denying him the supposed 'right' is racist against blacks.

  • @andrewclarke6916
    @andrewclarke6916 4 года назад +5

    Poor interviewer. For goodness sake, give them the chance to say their piece first, THEN ask questions afterward. She just keeps interrupting them mid-sentence. Seen this interviewer on Newsnight before and her interview technique is very annoying.

    • @jamiengo2343
      @jamiengo2343 4 года назад

      Andrew Clarke if they drift off topic and start talking bollocks which is irrelevant to the question, then they always have every right to interrupt

  • @hipsterbrigadier9428
    @hipsterbrigadier9428 4 года назад +11

    BBC you're really bad at appearing impartial, the chair is just trying to get a "gotcha!" moment

    • @MaisieDaisyUpsadaisy
      @MaisieDaisyUpsadaisy 4 года назад

      HipsterBrigadier That is not about them being impartial, it’s how the media works: they don’t care about truth, they just want gossip.

    • @vaclavmiller8032
      @vaclavmiller8032 4 года назад

      If they treat both wings of the political spectrum in the same way, I don't see how that indicates bias.

  • @bs4754
    @bs4754 4 года назад +7

    Imagine slagging off a party that’s for the normal person and then voting a party that is going to dry bum them by offering something that is going to dry bun them also. Little England indeed.

    • @lasttango7522
      @lasttango7522 4 года назад +1

      BS Appropriate for a left winger BS. Give me little England any day than a bloody Marxist vile aggressive cult. How many votes did you nob heads get in the GE. Um dissmal. Anti semetic crap. Go and live in Venezulea.

  • @robertomancini9755
    @robertomancini9755 4 года назад +3

    What a load of tripe,start to finish...

  • @bigpete4227
    @bigpete4227 4 года назад +9

    Diane abacus for Labour leader. She would put her best two left feet forward.

    • @johnathanpearson3203
      @johnathanpearson3203 4 года назад +2

      I believe that she would win it big for labour. She's a women and she is from an ethnic minority background. She is perfect.

    • @swlyons
      @swlyons 4 года назад +2

      lol

    • @jonnobloggs1139
      @jonnobloggs1139 4 года назад +1

      Quality Big Pete !

  • @FH-cm1dj
    @FH-cm1dj 3 года назад +9

    The host kept trying to catch starmer out on international law, when he is literally a lawer.

  • @1jasonmatthews766
    @1jasonmatthews766 4 года назад +5

    😂😂😂😂😂 looks like Sajid was too honest to be in the governments front bench (allegedly)😂😂😂😂
    😂😂😂 The MPs promoted
    that are happy to cover up the embezzlements of the taxpayers money (
    allegedly)
    The fraud squad should do audits on every single MP in parliament to see where the money comes from
    And if there's any backhanders through the back door
    and if they're all legal and aboveboard.
    I bet you we will find a lot that isn't (allegedly) 😂😂😂😂
    I have to cover my arse 😂😂😂😂

  • @Aarontlondon
    @Aarontlondon 4 года назад +6

    Nandy is the only candidate who will provide the change that Labour needs. If RLB wins this the party will well and truly be in opposition for the next 50 years.

    • @lewisparkes5038
      @lewisparkes5038 4 года назад +1

      I agree I definetly listened to her and got the sense she was a big voice for change

    • @markfisk2243
      @markfisk2243 4 года назад

      Consider this.... Lisa Nandy signed a bill yesterday to designate groups within the Labour party that don't accept the whole "trans women are women" argument as hate groups. Calling for the dispellment of anyone "transphobic" or "hateful" from the party .

  • @chtholly8084
    @chtholly8084 4 года назад

    I need approximately 50 minutes of comedy to play in the background whilst I do some video game resource grinding. This'll do.

  • @chrisjmirvine4980
    @chrisjmirvine4980 4 года назад +10

    The good thing about debate is is the fact that all four have demonstrated that they are all unsuited for national leadership.
    What is disappointing however is that none of these individuals would perform as an effective opposition taking the current government to account.

    • @noodle1987able
      @noodle1987able 4 года назад

      Did you support Boris?

    • @chrisjmirvine4980
      @chrisjmirvine4980 4 года назад

      No I do not align with any party. I vote for who I deem best for the country not out of for a team or a person.

    • @noodle1987able
      @noodle1987able 4 года назад +2

      @@chrisjmirvine4980 who do you deem best currently? If you could pick any major UK politician?

    • @chrisjmirvine4980
      @chrisjmirvine4980 4 года назад

      noodle1987able good question!

    • @noodle1987able
      @noodle1987able 4 года назад

      @@chrisjmirvine4980 haha. Well you have a good few years to decide!

  • @kenboon1478
    @kenboon1478 4 года назад +3

    Lisa Nandy " people are smarter than we think " you don't say ! obviously the labour party probably thought all working class voters are as thick as two short planks !

    • @skilso
      @skilso 4 года назад

      ken boon condescending windbags.......really nothing but hot air..... the same old bs

  • @forestpump
    @forestpump 4 года назад +3

    Just don't get the fuss about Keir Starmer, he seems the worst candidate

    • @JUSTTRYANDSTOPIT
      @JUSTTRYANDSTOPIT 4 года назад

      He is the choice of the PLP...lets see if he is the choice of the members

  • @scottweightman5117
    @scottweightman5117 4 года назад +1

    The moderator was terrible. Rude, constantly interrupting, and clearly desperate to get a soundbite. The whole thing just turned into a contest of raised voices because of her incessant interruptions, it was awful to watch and very difficult to concentrate on what exactly was being said. Pretty much what I've come to expect from the BBC. Not allowing the debate to breathe and not allowing any room for nuanced discussion of very complex issues.

  • @Mohegan46
    @Mohegan46 4 года назад +18

    Sack the chair, get a professional, Lisa Nandy is the only leader

  • @markshirley01
    @markshirley01 4 года назад +6

    I'm hoping Labour will put proportional representation at the top of it's manifesto. It seems like the perfect time to do it. Britain isn't right wing but we seem to have a Tory government for 70% of the time. I'm sure if you offered this to the other partys they would except it. We need to change as a country and it'll take a brave man or woman to finally achieve that.

    • @TheGodsrighthandman
      @TheGodsrighthandman 4 года назад

      I'd much rather have them proffer a ticket of "Written Constitution" . . . Magna Carta is truly a wonderful thing but is so very dated and definitely needs Amending.

    • @tig3662
      @tig3662 4 года назад +3

      Because Labour produce such shit leaders and have been a poor opposition for the past 10 years? You only got near power if you have a strong leader. That's what the Tories have had since David Cameron. Nobody wants to vote Labour because it's become a protest party under Corbyn. Corbyn couldn't even win over Theresa May, one of this country's weakest leaders. Lmao

    • @markshirley01
      @markshirley01 4 года назад

      @ukn leo1 wow - get help

    • @alfiesharp5181
      @alfiesharp5181 Год назад +1

      yo want to change the rles of our elections because you never win. LMFAO.

    • @markshirley01
      @markshirley01 Год назад

      @@alfiesharp5181 thats right Alfie - just like the 60% who's vote counts for nothing for 70% of the time, first past post suits the right wing. Thats why we get such terrible tory Governments, because they know their standards can be much lower than the other parties and still get voted in.

  • @robertomancini9755
    @robertomancini9755 4 года назад +3

    I love the way they talk about our communities.
    They're not your communities any more,and never will be,like Rotherham for example,you looked the other way while the industrial rape of our daughters took place.you made your choices and so did we.

  • @pccorner101
    @pccorner101 4 года назад +6

    They all just don't get it, fools utter fools.

  • @farrongoth6712
    @farrongoth6712 4 года назад +2

    If Labour want to know why they lost they need look no further than what all of them said about immigration not a single one of them address people concerns about immigration, all they did was make out that people are unhappy with foreign nurses, really you think that is all immigration is, how about you actually touch on the issue immigration does cause not a one one brought up grooming gangs not one brought deportation of foreign criminals.
    They do this with everything they only ever look one way.

  • @troiztv6580
    @troiztv6580 4 года назад +6

    Lisa Nandy needs to win

  • @yayamon769
    @yayamon769 4 года назад +3

    They are ghost's of the dead, you can see straight through them & they touch nothing

  • @andrewtully3622
    @andrewtully3622 4 года назад +2

    "Tax is the mark of a civilised society that cares for it's people." - Lisa Nandy.
    Every Greek person: :o

  • @moshemankoff7488
    @moshemankoff7488 4 года назад +2

    I've no intention of signing those pledges and I think it's shameful that anyone had to.

    • @stueymorris
      @stueymorris 4 года назад

      But they signed other religious pledges without any hesitation

    • @johnlowe6611
      @johnlowe6611 4 года назад +1

      @@stueymorris perhaps you could list all the pledges signed that were proposed by those representing a foreign state? Not only that but a foreign state which has human rights questions hanging over it's government? A far right foreign government, with current, active UN human rights sanctions, that continues to oppress another nation? ... Didn't think so...

    • @stueymorris
      @stueymorris 4 года назад

      @@johnlowe6611 250 million Christians persecuted last year, all by one specific group, Sweden's a war zone, thousands of grooming gang victims last year alone, 26,000+ islamofacists in the UK, mass voter fraud (against human rights conventions) fgm etc etc by eagerly signed by labour.
      You misunderstand my point, I'm not on favour of any religious council's never mind political parties signing pacts.
      On another note I've zero interest what the 100% corrupt UN has to say

  • @Swman1982
    @Swman1982 4 года назад +4

    I got to 7 mins and had to watch something else. Emily thornberry nothing is your thing. My goodness what they talking about.

  • @simpleasliam657
    @simpleasliam657 4 года назад +3

    I liked Kier but his waffling and nonsense in this debate was cringe worthy

  • @karenedonald
    @karenedonald 4 года назад +2

    They're CLUELESS

  • @lifecycleproject
    @lifecycleproject 4 года назад +1

    Katie Razzall dreadful... Pushy and rude trying to show that she knew more about the issues that the candidates. Does she have a particular problem with Kier Starmer who she kept interrupting and trying to correct ?

  • @WatchAlfiePlay
    @WatchAlfiePlay 4 года назад +9

    Good to see the BBC investing in good comedy programming once again.

  • @tonydecastro6340
    @tonydecastro6340 4 года назад +15

    a plague on all your houses.

    • @swlyons
      @swlyons 4 года назад +3

      And their reply would be "A tax on your houses and your wallets and your cars and anything else we can think of"

    • @Geffo555
      @Geffo555 4 года назад +2

      Perhaps you should give it a year and see how the CONservatives effect your life adversely.
      Then see who you are cursing.

    • @tonydecastro6340
      @tonydecastro6340 4 года назад

      @historypoliticsbb i am pro-Labour. but the way Corbyn botched up the party's position on Brexit and other issues showed lack of leadership and foresight and care for the future.

    • @Geffo555
      @Geffo555 4 года назад +1

      @Silvercloud141 141. Labour are just arguing for justice. But justice is becoming unfashionable in this age of populist BS.

    • @Geffo555
      @Geffo555 4 года назад +1

      @Silvercloud141 141. Did you even bother to listen to what Corbyn said? The majority of those being deported are not rapists or hardened criminals. And how is it reasonable to doubly punish people who have already served their time? This whole business is just gesture to those with hardened beliefs and has nothing to do with justice or the victims of crime.

  • @CJL7777
    @CJL7777 4 года назад

    No need to look any deeper than momentum Kier. Timeline would suggest the more powerful they get the worse your election results become.

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      @disobeytoday4685 4 года назад

      What did you say to them in your original email?

  • @randomclick2826
    @randomclick2826 4 года назад +8

    Kier has a brain but no heart.
    Lisa has a heart but no brain.
    Emily has 1 year of experience 20 times over.
    Rebecca has no redeeming qualities.
    My moneys on Rebecca to win it now.

    • @jcmacg034
      @jcmacg034 4 года назад

      Which is good cause Boris because no one will vote for her socialist policies, guaranteeing Boris for 10 years

    • @MrVice101
      @MrVice101 3 года назад

      RandomClick lost and then sacked. Labour getting serious.

  • @StripyViper
    @StripyViper 4 года назад +4

    Keir Starmer has my vote!!

    • @StripyViper
      @StripyViper 4 года назад +2

      Purple Turtle I agree, Nandy would be my choice if Starmer wasn’t an option.

  • @kasegiyabu5030
    @kasegiyabu5030 4 года назад +2

    Corbyn babbling about "enrichment", which means "replacing indigenous".

    • @tobywall755
      @tobywall755 4 года назад

      kasegi Yabu indigenous? Fucking hell, get over yourself. You couldn’t be more clueless.

    • @Pocko213
      @Pocko213 4 года назад

      @@tobywall755 I dont know why you're so confident. Your comment suggests you have anything but a flexible mind.

  • @helenshall9014
    @helenshall9014 4 года назад +1

    Emily and Keir were dreadful. It's got to be Rebecca or Lisa.

    • @andrewtully3622
      @andrewtully3622 4 года назад

      I think Keir makes some good points, but his diction is that of a lawyer. Makes him seem insincere about what he's saying.
      Lisa Nandy seems a good choice.

  • @SuperFerdie1965
    @SuperFerdie1965 4 года назад +7

    Oh no. How the hell will the UK manage without Ms Thornberry as Prime Minister? The only politician with a face like two tins of condemned veal.

  • @robertomancini9755
    @robertomancini9755 4 года назад +4

    Why do I get a chill when these people talk about transformation,we've had enough of your transformation.

    • @robertomancini9755
      @robertomancini9755 4 года назад

      @Joe Banks well that says more about you than it does me.

    • @robertomancini9755
      @robertomancini9755 4 года назад

      @Joe Banks 15 years of labour transformation is what I'm talking about,to rub the rights nose in diversity.spending money they don't have,cultural Marxism, indoctrination of the youth,illegal wars.
      Mass migration "Joe" you mite not care but I do,what they did in the 15 years of power has scarred this country forever.

    • @robertomancini9755
      @robertomancini9755 4 года назад

      @Joe Banks go sing a song Joe.

    • @robertomancini9755
      @robertomancini9755 4 года назад

      @Joe Banks how's about some laughing emojis for Rotherham aswell pal.

    • @robertomancini9755
      @robertomancini9755 4 года назад

      @Joe Banks supporting labour-"oh dear"

  • @koalasquare2145
    @koalasquare2145 3 года назад +1

    Why don't they talk about progressive economic policies like UBI or worker coops?

  • @rougebaron76
    @rougebaron76 2 года назад

    Wow, what a shortlist on in-touch political talent they had! 😆

  • @MrP1.01
    @MrP1.01 4 года назад +8

    3 reasons Labour failed - 1) Total disconnect from the voters in traditional heartlands. 2) Overloaded and top heavy policies with no realistic schedule for delivery. 3) Quality and calibre of the Labour MP's their distorted world view and conflict of interests that arises between their own MP's and voters - The Labour party is the party of dissent and has no clear aim to move the country forward. Labour is finished - It's over!!

    • @oriongriffiths3030
      @oriongriffiths3030 4 года назад

      Michael Palmer sounds more like you want them to be over. The Labour Party are not finished, they will always be able to speak to their heartlands despite this momentary blip, the polices were overloaded I agree, but Labour does have a vision, and it is the only vision that we’ll secure a future for you and the ones you care about. It’s called social democracy and it is the Tories who haven’t clue, you will see that, managed decline whilst the richest scoop up short term gains from selling this country down the river.

    • @forestpump
      @forestpump 4 года назад +3

      Bollocks, if that was the case why would folk vote for the Tories? what connection to they have with Labour heartlands? this was all about the bullshit being fed into these heartlands from the media about the EU being responsible for all our ills

    • @oriongriffiths3030
      @oriongriffiths3030 4 года назад +1

      And you will find empirically, western or developed countries who have social democratic systems (policies laid out by Labour) of welfare and governance have healthier and more productive populations and that has been empirically been proven again and again. This is not mention challenges like an ageing population and ecological disaster which require an intervening state and strong public sector. Most advances that we count as examples of free market or entrepreneurial success in the late 20th century/21 st century came from publicly funded research in state owned American universities.

    • @oriongriffiths3030
      @oriongriffiths3030 4 года назад

      And therefore it is the tories and their neo liberalism and managerialist inclinations that have nothing to offer

    • @ken-yo2hz
      @ken-yo2hz 4 года назад

      Cheesy McCheesy Was Labour finished in 83 when Thatcher won? Stop being delusional.

  • @neilmorris31
    @neilmorris31 4 года назад +9

    Thought I was watching CNN then and the Democratic nominations :o) lol. And they wonder why we want to scrap the licence fee,,,,,BBC will never get a penny out of my pocket ever again !!

    • @maduransundaresan1096
      @maduransundaresan1096 4 года назад

      What a idiotic comment. Didn't the BBC cover the Torry leadership race?

    • @callum4387
      @callum4387 4 года назад

      Maduran Sundaresan They did

  • @MrDanielfff777
    @MrDanielfff777 3 года назад

    Why do they want to renationalise water and electricity? Why is that a good idea?

  • @johnlowe6611
    @johnlowe6611 4 года назад +1

    Surely 2017 was a draw?

  • @andrewbaumann2661
    @andrewbaumann2661 4 года назад +3

    The 1970s called. They want their policy proposals back.

  • @richiesquest3283
    @richiesquest3283 4 года назад +4

    The Labour party used to be a working class party they are now regarded by many as a ethnic party.

  • @danielon6577
    @danielon6577 4 года назад +1

    It is so strange that the BBC moderator is so hostile?

  • @issavirgo4838
    @issavirgo4838 4 года назад

    We need a new party

  • @emmalouisejay387
    @emmalouisejay387 4 года назад +4

    I noticed Rebecca Long-Bailey's LOVE UNIONS badge...

    • @emmalouisejay387
      @emmalouisejay387 4 года назад +1

      @Ian Brown I did, because Long-Bailey speaks and appears like she is in a trance.

    • @daftwod
      @daftwod 4 года назад +3

      She looks like a punch and judy doll

    • @jonnobloggs1139
      @jonnobloggs1139 4 года назад

      Lol Dafty ! ...now I've had a chance to pause for thought she also resembles Mummy Woodentop .

  • @joebloggs5186
    @joebloggs5186 4 года назад +9

    I like that you played communist Chinese music 😂

  • @patrickedwards5804
    @patrickedwards5804 4 года назад +1

    Think about this, after Brown every successful Labour leadership candidate has platformed on dissing the last Labour Government’s Iraq policy. Even Ed Miliband.

  • @robertomancini9755
    @robertomancini9755 4 года назад

    How can you win the argument,then get absolutely smashed at the ballot box.
    Unreal....

  • @mrc7966
    @mrc7966 4 года назад +3

    My mum has been a labour party member for her whole life. This week she was told she wasn't allowed to vote in all of the leadership ballots because she was white British.
    Suffice to say none of our family are now members of the Labour party.

    • @brentnall101
      @brentnall101 4 года назад +3

      😂😂 Grade A Bullshit

    • @noodle1987able
      @noodle1987able 4 года назад +2

      Stop spreading fake news you stupid bot!! This is a great big lie.

  • @Derek-jg4bd
    @Derek-jg4bd 4 года назад +11

    Can't listen to more than a few minutes of them waffle on. De fund and abolish the BBC.

    • @kebabtank
      @kebabtank 4 года назад

      @looes74 looes74 Prove what he said was wrong then.

    • @noodle1987able
      @noodle1987able 4 года назад

      @David hill amazing!

    • @albal156
      @albal156 4 года назад

      The sheer lack of peoples ability to separate the BBC's political coverage, which was terrible (along with this), from the rest of the content the BBC does staggers me.

    • @Derek-jg4bd
      @Derek-jg4bd 4 года назад

      ​@David hill Wow, so much hate and clear self reflection, sorry you have so many problems in life David, I send my best wishes and hope one day you can be a real adult and get sorted out. We need everyone to wake up soon or our country as we know it is history .

  • @Irishtradchannel
    @Irishtradchannel 4 года назад +1

    The Tories just have to be less snooty and more in touch with the electorate, especially the working class than Labour.
    Sad state of affairs that that is near certain.

  • @jerryjones9799
    @jerryjones9799 4 года назад +1

    Where did they get Katie Razzall from? Local fish market?

  • @daftwod
    @daftwod 4 года назад +3

    We need a better opposition. A completely different party ideally.

  • @johnfisher7757
    @johnfisher7757 4 года назад +25

    It looks like the Tories are going to be in power for the foreseeable ...

    • @richardburgonforlabourlead3270
      @richardburgonforlabourlead3270 4 года назад +7

      Racists supporting racists. We will bring down this far right racist Tory government by fighting on the streets !

    • @johnathanpearson3203
      @johnathanpearson3203 4 года назад +7

      @@richardburgonforlabourlead3270 are you encouraging violence in a public forum?

    • @swlyons
      @swlyons 4 года назад +4

      @@richardburgonforlabourlead3270 yea anyone who isn`t extreme left is a racist. The Labour party is a racist party. Corbyn and his cult following support terrorist gangs that want to fight a genocidal war against Israel and the Jewish people and cleanse Brits living in northern Ireland. He also wrote on twatter that the only party that stands up for black and brown Brits is Labour. Very colonial.

    • @swlyons
      @swlyons 4 года назад +5

      Thank God. A party that will help the working class to get on and succeed. Although they need to sort out the housing problems and returns us into a home owning nation.

    • @TheGodsrighthandman
      @TheGodsrighthandman 4 года назад +2

      @@richardburgonforlabourlead3270 What I find most perplexing is the accusation that the 'Right Is Racist!' and yet it's the Left that are invariably the first people to bring up Skin Colour as a theme or topic every time . . . It does rather make one question "Who Are The *Actual* Racists In My Country?"
      Also, why is it nearly always the non-melanine-skinned Lefties who bring it up? I find that extraordinarily racist, too, in that the apparent assumption is that PoC can't speak for themselves . . . . And don't even *mention* the whole "jazz-hands-instead-of-clapping" phenomenon: Have these people never *seen* the Black & White Minstrel Show?

  • @adam_sports1983
    @adam_sports1983 3 года назад

    44 nationalities working on a patient in a hospital, surely this isn't right. Why are there such low numbers of UK medical staff?

  • @seniorelzappo9919
    @seniorelzappo9919 4 года назад +1

    I dont know why they are bothering. there just fighting over a corpse ..

  • @claireb9127
    @claireb9127 4 года назад +4

    None of them look like they really want the job.

  • @JfkJames
    @JfkJames 4 года назад +3

    Lisa Nandy sounding like Joe Biden

  • @James-wy7pd
    @James-wy7pd 4 года назад +1

    If Keir starmer was leader in December he would now be prime minister and we wouldn’t have left the EU and wouldn’t end up w no trade agreement when the transition period ends in a year’s time and we leave the EU properly (because we are effectively still a member until the end of this year just without a say on new EU legislation)

  • @evanichal
    @evanichal 4 года назад +1

    Starmer always answer not directly

  • @jezza10181
    @jezza10181 4 года назад +5

    "We are not a racist party, we are an anti-racist party" :/

    • @hlund73
      @hlund73 4 года назад

      How inconvenient for you:
      twitter.com/hashtag/AndrewSabisky?src=hashtag_click
      but racist Tory gaffes are like buses aren't they?

    • @jezza10181
      @jezza10181 4 года назад

      @@hlund73 Why is this inconvenient for me?

    • @Clavinovaman
      @Clavinovaman 4 года назад

      @@hlund73 Not necessarily. You have any evidence to suggest what he said is wrong? Not that I like what was said, of course.

    • @hlund73
      @hlund73 4 года назад

      @@ClavinovamanSabiski? It's entirely possible, but why say it when gathering conclusive evidence is almost impossible and it'd still be insignificant. You'll never be able to differentiate people's intellect by their skin colour alone.

  • @lesferguson593
    @lesferguson593 4 года назад +8

    Labour still living in their bubble

  • @LossyLossnitzer
    @LossyLossnitzer 4 года назад

    Choosing the next leader is like choosing between a rock and a rock as they are all the same and will deliver the same failure for labour.

    • @seerjc123
      @seerjc123 4 года назад

      rock and a hard place ?

  • @aticusaticus9138
    @aticusaticus9138 4 года назад +1

    why didn`t you ask thornberry about the photo she tweeted of the flag of st george and the white van and then rediculed it.

    • @robgreen1818
      @robgreen1818 4 года назад

      aticus aticus congratulations, you have won the award for the dumbest comment in the video.

    • @aticusaticus9138
      @aticusaticus9138 4 года назад

      @@robgreen1818 i wasn`t aware there was one, perhaps you`ve given the title up and it now goes to me. on a serious note is your comment the only thing you have to offer.
      surely even a fuckwit like you can string something together to support your opinion instead of just repeating schoolboy humour.

    • @aticusaticus9138
      @aticusaticus9138 4 года назад

      if you have an issue with my original comment then let`s hear your argument. was what i said untrue? if so please enlighten me. i`m happy to listen to anyone that can form a logical response and bring a sensible point of view to my comments instead of childish fuckery. however, this is probably above your pay grade.

  • @robertomancini9755
    @robertomancini9755 4 года назад +3

    Yes were in favour of free movement .
    We need a new electorate.

    • @lewisparkes5038
      @lewisparkes5038 4 года назад +1

      Rob Mann what a dumbass statement 😂😂

    • @robertomancini9755
      @robertomancini9755 4 года назад

      @@lewisparkes5038 why is that statement dumb?

    • @daftwod
      @daftwod 4 года назад

      @@robertomancini9755 because if you want a foreign electorate you could just move instead

    • @robertomancini9755
      @robertomancini9755 4 года назад

      @@daftwod you really are daft aren't you.

    • @robertomancini9755
      @robertomancini9755 4 года назад

      Asuka nge gets it,I'm the biggest brexiteer going,satire yes.

  • @Gorebashed
    @Gorebashed 4 года назад +3

    Wow, they are all so clueless, Lisa seems the best as she is the only one who acknowledges this. Questioner was terrible as well but pretty much expected from BBC these days.

  • @ladypoppy6117
    @ladypoppy6117 4 года назад +1

    I voted for Brexit, I voted Conservative, I then voted for The Brexit Party & voted for them in the EU elections. I voted Conservative...for Boris. The only way I would even consider voting Labour ever again is under Lisa Nandy if she did well. But even then I'd only consider it.

    • @matt94alexander32
      @matt94alexander32 4 года назад +1

      Jennie Morley I voted UKIP then voted for Brexit, abstained in 2017, voted Brexit Party in 2019 then spoilt my ballot in GE... I wouldn’t vote for any of these, completely useless & untrustworthy including Lisa Nandy who I’ve heard people praising... she’s wearing a mask, you’ll see.

  • @Graham-gt4gr
    @Graham-gt4gr 4 года назад

    So you didn't want to let him govern and you didn't think you should let him have an election? What the FUCK kind of political system is that.