I agree with some that Kx of diamonds makes a ton of sense. You float the flop with nut flush draw then nail a pair on the turn prompting the check raise
I agree. I know Bart’s whole thing is people ubderbluff with pairs, but you are absolutely boned here at showdown with a king. You’re either winning the hand no matter what you do because hero has trash and has shut down or you’re beat if your Diamond draw fails and have to bluff and ace off the hand.
Whether it's right or not, I think that's a super common line with diamonds from the opponent. They see the nice cheap card getting a great price rather than risk getting 3 bet on the flop, on the turn they know they're behind an A or a K now and the hero can clearly have a billion hands that aren't AK played this way, so goes for the check raise so that they can bomb any river to either get folds or value if it's a diamond or not.
Especially QJ, Q10d where gut shot comes into play along with the flush. The only credible hands you're behind here are A5 and sets of 4s and 5s. It's hard for me to imagine that folding A's up in this scenario in 2-5 is the right decision unless you have a solid read on the other player tendencies.
Personally, I do not totally know about "the Billion" hands that Hero continues firing with into two people: One can probably give him all Broadway Combo Flush draws; and AQ exactly may easily be the bottom of his Value range. - On the other hand, he can hold most 2-pair combos, and all sets. Raising (with draws) might not make that huge sense, when Villain has actually quite the overall range/ Nut disadvantage: A4s could be already close to the weakest hands in Hero's range. All I want to say is: I don't know, and I am not really convinced. 😉
It also seems like a line that 7-6 would take. But yes, my first thought on the turn was that Q-J, Q-10, and J-10 of diamonds are now combo draws. 7-6 played this way can bluff any diamond river. I think villain can have all 16 combos of 7-6 here, but I'm not sure how many of the flush draw combos we can give him.
It could be the SB folding that changed things...but usually not. This is usually a line that indicates hitting the king on turn. Seems like a fair amount of KXdd for villain. Especially K4dd. This is the BB & he closed the action on a small open pre-flop, he can be very wide. And what hand fits with the river jam of 110% pot? Maybe 55. But why didn't 55 raise the flop? When it's very hard to make sense of a line; it's often a bluff.
Bart, I don't understand why you are recommending folding Turn and River here. It's such an obvious bluffing spot, and villains check-raise bluffing a front door flush draw on the Turn then barreling a busted flush draw on the River is a place where you can scoop huge pots with premium hands like Aces up. I just don't get the logic.
I like an overbet on the turn to $180. Someone usually has a flush draw here, or straight draw or pair plus flush draw. Once in a while you also get a call from AQ or AJ. No point in targeting A6-AT with small bets, and those hands usually fold to a full pot bet anyway.
He didn’t bet full pot he bet 2/3 and Ax is going to call that at 2/5. AQ/AJ is going to be raising a bunch pf. I like the 80 bet as it sometimes will get raised like it did here. Now just 3bet jam turn.
I'm thinking on the flop, BB might be scared that SB has a better flush draw. Once the turn bet folds out the SB, the BB took it as an opportunity to start his bluff.
Kx diamonds, but especially K3 or K4 diamonds, makes the most sense to me for the way it was played throughout. Any Kx of diamonds going to raise here on turn when they pick up equity from hitting a pair. If they were going to blast off with their solo flush draw and no pair then it makes more sense to do so on the flop. On the river K3 or K4 diamonds, with 2 pair, beats all of the single pair Ax they could be facing, which makes up more of the hero's range and they block some of the Ax 2 pair range that hero can have. Definitely an interesting call.
I don't know why no one is considering the backdoor broadway combo draws like qj qt and jt of diamonds. There is a reason the guy raised the turn and not the flop and that King implies it's a broadway combo because he's not likely to have AK AA or KK after preflop smooth call. I'm calling that down all day, maybe it's wrong at nosebleed stakes to call the turn raise IDK but to me it screams backdoor broadway combo. If I was to break it down to combos and such I would be discounting the backdoor diamond hands with a 2 or 3 since he smooth called flop and raised the K turn, I would include the flopped nuts especially 32 of diamonds not sure if villain would call offsuit 32 preflop. If he had flopped nuts he might have wanted to keep both players in on flop and wait til turn or river with no diamond, once man in the middle folds he starts blasting off. Also possible he was worried SB had flopped nuts and was willing to rep it after SB folded out so perhaps there are some hands like 22 or 33 that might go for a bluff.
I don't know... there's so little value here, and all value (sets and A5) I feel like raises flop super frequently. Forget what bluffs he has (agreed, not many) but I struggle to find a hand that I'm losing to because 55, 44, and A5 would seem to almost never overcall flop
with BB overcalling on a draw heavy flop...i dont think turn is a fold at all. it looks like a semi-bluff with gained turn equity vs the weakish turn bet by hero. The only reason why I would fold the turn is if its vs a super passive OMC who would flat AK preflop.
Call all day long. So many draws that miss and if villain is worth anything he is jamming 100% of the time on the river for value or as a bluff. If he misses, the bluff only needs to get through a 3rd of the time. Also, there’s a fair amount of value hands that we beat. AQ/AJ/ Kxdd/ K3dd, etc…
My 1st instinct was to shove turn, once raised.. Then bart said its a fold I still think shoving was the play. Had outs if he had trips ..and get some draws to fold.
picking up a gutshot lights this fuse? why not more simple; KXdd ? He overcalls the flop with the nut flush draw, then pairs the turn. Maybe double pairs turn? K4dd?
Cmon… I’m all for exploitable folds at this level but KXdd and especially K3dd and K44dd are his most likely holdings. Even fish would raise that hand. And I like the raise because against two bets into two people a pair of Ks is no good. Might get a weak Ace to fold
This would be a terrible fold on the turn imo. Villain can have any number of diamond hands like 67d, JTd, QTd, Kxd that he chooses to raise once SB folds. Bart says villain would likely raise a hand like 67d on the flop, but by that same logic he’s also raising probably close to 100% with 55 and 23s (not diamonds) as well given those hands would need protection and villain knows hero will have to call with strong aces. Bart suggesting folding AK in the same spot is even more ridiculous… assuming hero won’t VPIP 23s on the button the only better hands he has are sets. If hero is folding as good as aces-up this is a much too profitable spot to bluff.
I don't see very many check raises on the Flop from premium draw hands at the lower stakes. Most players are happy to see a Turn card on the cheap, then start bluffing the draw.
@@LionAndALamb I agree - at lower stakes villains are less likely to x/r draws and more likely to do it with value, which in this hand means villain is even LESS likely to have value like 55 or 23s when he overcalls flop. I think this is a 100% call on turn for me, maybe 60/40 on river once X2d or 67d comes in with the 3.
turn action is crucial to find out what V had. There could be only 2 possibilities: 1) Protection bet 2) Bluff (drawing hand) If we exclude the one, then the one that's left is the answer. S, the Q: is he bluffing (drawing hand)? Anything but "yes" is a "no". Therefore that is a protection bet. In this scenario, A4 is not as strong enough to call. Therefore: FOLD.
@@pot_kivach160 first my comment was made when i was on the turn in the video but after some thought i still love it. The reason is: Villian has a microscopic value range. AA,KK,A5,23,44,55 are just almost never there as played. These hands raise pf and/or on the flop almost always. A small raise pre then calling oop after a sb call. Then a call on the flop after a 2/3 pot bet and a sb call. Then a c/r turn. What value is this? 32d yes 1 combo and then a few loose combos where villain just does something that is almost never done boo hoo we have a few outs vs them, let’s go. This is always a combo draw, just always*. We don’t know what we need to dodge along with a diamond so jam turn expect to get snapped, then try to fade 12-20 outs. *when i say always and never obviously know i don’t actually mean always and never.
@@Stockhandle123 I love it. I thought much the same. Villain never has AA or KK here, unlikely to have AK either. We block 44. 55 will often raise flop 3 handed. On the other hand; this could easily be kings up or KX of diamonds. His semi-bluff range looks way bigger than his thick value range.
K3 of diamonds may play it that way although it’s not a great play. Having the K gives hero less combos of AK. He has a pair, flush draw and gut shot on the turn, then rivers 2 pair
I normally like Bart’s analysis but folding on any street seems absolutely insane here, no way is there enough value in that raising range to fold turn
@@pot_kivach160 AK raises pre, 55 and 44 very likely raise flop due to flush draw. A5 is the most likely hand you mentioned, but it could raise flop, and probably does not raise turn.
@@johns783 ok. So, what does he have? Flush draw does not raise this heavily (it could be easily blown off with a shove), ...seems he had nothing? Well, it does not seem that one would heavily raise turn with nothing, does it. personally, I'd either shove or fold. In no way I am calling this turn raise. More precisely: I fold. Reason: no point going into the dark blindfolded.
@@pot_kivach160 Of course a flush draw could raise that turn. The fact that Bart's reaction was a fold shows that he has fold equity. All combos of broadway diamonds can do this because they now either have nut straight outs, or if it's a Kdxd they'll think they have trip and two pair outs.
15:00 Yeah no shit. He had JT, QT, QJ of diamonds, Obviously. It makes exact sense as played. What did they think he had, pocket 5s? Other than that it's broadway diamonds and once in a while just a bare diamond draw semibluffing now that it's heads up.
Fish love to hang themselves when they think their hand has improved regardless of what street it is on. 100% this guy turned a king high flush draw and thought that he picked up so much equity that he might as well just get it in now. Their goal is to always get it all in with a draw that way the pot is already big by the river. They don’t understand what a value bet even is or how to win at showdown, they just know that if they hit their hand they want to win at all, so what better way than to get their money in in advance to ensure they win a big pot!
OMFG they still think he could have a 2. He has no 2s. WTF, Bart and the caller are coming off as pretty stupid here. And he's definitely still jamming a set on the river, he just has only a few combos of sets and just as many missed broadway diamond draws.
A creative player with 76 of diamonds? The ace and the king though. It makes it more likely for draws to call as opposed to blasting off into the range and nut advantage.
fold to what? a set/ straight isnt overcalling a draw heavy flop unless BB had specifically 23dd. its never a fold. The only reason why I would fold the turn is if its vs a super passive OMC who would flat AK preflop.
In these smaller games I could easily see someone with King 4 or King 5 suited making that kind of a raise on the turn
I agree with some that Kx of diamonds makes a ton of sense. You float the flop with nut flush draw then nail a pair on the turn prompting the check raise
I agree. I know Bart’s whole thing is people ubderbluff with pairs, but you are absolutely boned here at showdown with a king. You’re either winning the hand no matter what you do because hero has trash and has shut down or you’re beat if your Diamond draw fails and have to bluff and ace off the hand.
Whether it's right or not, I think that's a super common line with diamonds from the opponent. They see the nice cheap card getting a great price rather than risk getting 3 bet on the flop, on the turn they know they're behind an A or a K now and the hero can clearly have a billion hands that aren't AK played this way, so goes for the check raise so that they can bomb any river to either get folds or value if it's a diamond or not.
Especially QJ, Q10d where gut shot comes into play along with the flush. The only credible hands you're behind here are A5 and sets of 4s and 5s. It's hard for me to imagine that folding A's up in this scenario in 2-5 is the right decision unless you have a solid read on the other player tendencies.
Personally, I do not totally know about "the Billion" hands that Hero continues firing with into two people: One can probably give him all Broadway Combo Flush draws; and AQ exactly may easily be the bottom of his Value range. - On the other hand, he can hold most 2-pair combos, and all sets. Raising (with draws) might not make that huge sense, when Villain has actually quite the overall range/ Nut disadvantage: A4s could be already close to the weakest hands in Hero's range. All I want to say is: I don't know, and I am not really convinced. 😉
It also seems like a line that 7-6 would take. But yes, my first thought on the turn was that Q-J, Q-10, and J-10 of diamonds are now combo draws. 7-6 played this way can bluff any diamond river. I think villain can have all 16 combos of 7-6 here, but I'm not sure how many of the flush draw combos we can give him.
It could be the SB folding that changed things...but usually not. This is usually a line that indicates hitting the king on turn. Seems like a fair amount of KXdd for villain. Especially K4dd. This is the BB & he closed the action on a small open pre-flop, he can be very wide.
And what hand fits with the river jam of 110% pot? Maybe 55. But why didn't 55 raise the flop? When it's very hard to make sense of a line; it's often a bluff.
Bart, I don't understand why you are recommending folding Turn and River here. It's such an obvious bluffing spot, and villains check-raise bluffing a front door flush draw on the Turn then barreling a busted flush draw on the River is a place where you can scoop huge pots with premium hands like Aces up. I just don't get the logic.
I came here to say exactly this. I fully agree, especially at these stakes.
Facing turn raise I think villain can have: KXdd/QJdd/QTdd/JTdd/67dd/68dd/78dd
I think so too. Felt like K10dd, KJdd, etc.
QJd, QTd, JTd
I like an overbet on the turn to $180. Someone usually has a flush draw here, or straight draw or pair plus flush draw. Once in a while you also get a call from AQ or AJ. No point in targeting A6-AT with small bets, and those hands usually fold to a full pot bet anyway.
He didn’t bet full pot he bet 2/3 and Ax is going to call that at 2/5. AQ/AJ is going to be raising a bunch pf. I like the 80 bet as it sometimes will get raised like it did here. Now just 3bet jam turn.
Encore-BH calls are the best since Bart vents about it every time prior to the hand starting. 😂
You can check raise the turn with all your draws and Bart will fold aces up to you now aggression works my friends
I'm thinking on the flop, BB might be scared that SB has a better flush draw. Once the turn bet folds out the SB, the BB took it as an opportunity to start his bluff.
Kx diamonds, but especially K3 or K4 diamonds, makes the most sense to me for the way it was played throughout. Any Kx of diamonds going to raise here on turn when they pick up equity from hitting a pair. If they were going to blast off with their solo flush draw and no pair then it makes more sense to do so on the flop. On the river K3 or K4 diamonds, with 2 pair, beats all of the single pair Ax they could be facing, which makes up more of the hero's range and they block some of the Ax 2 pair range that hero can have.
Definitely an interesting call.
I don't know why no one is considering the backdoor broadway combo draws like qj qt and jt of diamonds. There is a reason the guy raised the turn and not the flop and that King implies it's a broadway combo because he's not likely to have AK AA or KK after preflop smooth call. I'm calling that down all day, maybe it's wrong at nosebleed stakes to call the turn raise IDK but to me it screams backdoor broadway combo. If I was to break it down to combos and such I would be discounting the backdoor diamond hands with a 2 or 3 since he smooth called flop and raised the K turn, I would include the flopped nuts especially 32 of diamonds not sure if villain would call offsuit 32 preflop. If he had flopped nuts he might have wanted to keep both players in on flop and wait til turn or river with no diamond, once man in the middle folds he starts blasting off. Also possible he was worried SB had flopped nuts and was willing to rep it after SB folded out so perhaps there are some hands like 22 or 33 that might go for a bluff.
How about a good old fashioned KX of diamonds?
@@EllieBanks333 KX of diamonds is possible, but it makes more sense with a broadway diamond draw. Possible though.
Seems like King high diamond draw. If he's got KdxD that would explain him flatting on the flop. He doesn't want to chase out a worse flush draw
I think just 3! shove the turn. Hard for villain to have a set or straight.
I don't know... there's so little value here, and all value (sets and A5) I feel like raises flop super frequently. Forget what bluffs he has (agreed, not many) but I struggle to find a hand that I'm losing to because 55, 44, and A5 would seem to almost never overcall flop
with BB overcalling on a draw heavy flop...i dont think turn is a fold at all. it looks like a semi-bluff with gained turn equity vs the weakish turn bet by hero. The only reason why I would fold the turn is if its vs a super passive OMC who would flat AK preflop.
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Call all day long. So many draws that miss and if villain is worth anything he is jamming 100% of the time on the river for value or as a bluff.
If he misses, the bluff only needs to get through a 3rd of the time. Also, there’s a fair amount of value hands that we beat. AQ/AJ/ Kxdd/ K3dd, etc…
Bluff pays back 1 in 3? Under ideal conditions which never occur in reality. So, knock that one off.
My 1st instinct was to shove turn, once raised..
Then bart said its a fold
I still think shoving was the play.
Had outs if he had trips ..and get some draws to fold.
8:00 How about JTdd or similar that picked up a combo on the turn
Against run of the mill poker players first aggression is shown when they perceive they "made" their hand. That skews this river jam to a bluff.
Exactly what I thought; it's the king hitting the board that villain likes.
Check raise bluffing a front door flush draw on the Turn is one of the first bluffs that rec players learn.
Probably broadway D draw. QJ QT JT of D and turned a double draw then shot for the 🌙 on the river
Q 10 diamonds check raises with gutter on turn? Or J 10 diamonds?
picking up a gutshot lights this fuse? why not more simple; KXdd ? He overcalls the flop with the nut flush draw, then pairs the turn. Maybe double pairs turn? K4dd?
@@EllieBanks333 an extra 4 outs feels like a million when you are a donk trying to steal a pot
@@EllieBanks333 Why would that be more simple? KXdd is less simple. Rather have a gutshot than a pair in that situation.
Can he just rip it in on the turn?
Cmon… I’m all for exploitable folds at this level but KXdd and especially K3dd and K44dd are his most likely holdings. Even fish would raise that hand. And I like the raise because against two bets into two people a pair of Ks is no good. Might get a weak Ace to fold
Some people just bluff even tho the other guy can have the nuts.
This would be a terrible fold on the turn imo. Villain can have any number of diamond hands like 67d, JTd, QTd, Kxd that he chooses to raise once SB folds. Bart says villain would likely raise a hand like 67d on the flop, but by that same logic he’s also raising probably close to 100% with 55 and 23s (not diamonds) as well given those hands would need protection and villain knows hero will have to call with strong aces. Bart suggesting folding AK in the same spot is even more ridiculous… assuming hero won’t VPIP 23s on the button the only better hands he has are sets. If hero is folding as good as aces-up this is a much too profitable spot to bluff.
I don't see very many check raises on the Flop from premium draw hands at the lower stakes. Most players are happy to see a Turn card on the cheap, then start bluffing the draw.
@@LionAndALamb I agree - at lower stakes villains are less likely to x/r draws and more likely to do it with value, which in this hand means villain is even LESS likely to have value like 55 or 23s when he overcalls flop. I think this is a 100% call on turn for me, maybe 60/40 on river once X2d or 67d comes in with the 3.
I am not folding I think I call to much but there are too many missed draws
What about JdQd, Jd10d, maybe even 10dQd? Aren't those possible the way he played it?
(On the turn)
Nevermind. You finally addressed those possibilities on the river
All 3 of those certainly could be call, call, check/raise on the turn. And Hell, he could have even bluff shoved the river!
I would re jam turn
turn action is crucial to find out what V had. There could be only 2 possibilities:
1) Protection bet
2) Bluff (drawing hand)
If we exclude the one, then the one that's left is the answer. S, the Q: is he bluffing (drawing hand)? Anything but "yes" is a "no". Therefore that is a protection bet. In this scenario, A4 is not as strong enough to call. Therefore: FOLD.
Interesting I’m 3 bet jamming the turn here.
@@Stockhandle123 interesting. Why?
@@pot_kivach160 first my comment was made when i was on the turn in the video but after some thought i still love it. The reason is:
Villian has a microscopic value range. AA,KK,A5,23,44,55 are just almost never there as played. These hands raise pf and/or on the flop almost always. A small raise pre then calling oop after a sb call. Then a call on the flop after a 2/3 pot bet and a sb call. Then a c/r turn. What value is this? 32d yes 1 combo and then a few loose combos where villain just does something that is almost never done boo hoo we have a few outs vs them, let’s go. This is always a combo draw, just always*. We don’t know what we need to dodge along with a diamond so jam turn expect to get snapped, then try to fade 12-20 outs.
*when i say always and never obviously know i don’t actually mean always and never.
@@Stockhandle123 I love it. I thought much the same. Villain never has AA or KK here, unlikely to have AK either. We block 44. 55 will often raise flop 3 handed. On the other hand; this could easily be kings up or KX of diamonds. His semi-bluff range looks way bigger than his thick value range.
Villain can have all King X of diamonds as a semi bluff on the turn to try to fold out Aces
K3 of diamonds may play it that way although it’s not a great play. Having the K gives hero less combos of AK. He has a pair, flush draw and gut shot on the turn, then rivers 2 pair
No one is shoving for slightly over pot on the river for value in their own mind with K3.
@@EuthanizePitbulls I agree they shouldn’t but you never know.
I normally like Bart’s analysis but folding on any street seems absolutely insane here, no way is there enough value in that raising range to fold turn
Why V can't have A5, set of 55, 44, AK?
@@pot_kivach160 AK raises pre, 55 and 44 very likely raise flop due to flush draw. A5 is the most likely hand you mentioned, but it could raise flop, and probably does not raise turn.
@@johns783 ok. So, what does he have? Flush draw does not raise this heavily (it could be easily blown off with a shove), ...seems he had nothing? Well, it does not seem that one would heavily raise turn with nothing, does it.
personally, I'd either shove or fold. In no way I am calling this turn raise. More precisely: I fold. Reason: no point going into the dark blindfolded.
@@pot_kivach160 Of course a flush draw could raise that turn. The fact that Bart's reaction was a fold shows that he has fold equity. All combos of broadway diamonds can do this because they now either have nut straight outs, or if it's a Kdxd they'll think they have trip and two pair outs.
Guys check raise turns are never bluffs in low stakes. Just fold and when they get you so be it
Who won the three 5% stakes?
K4d is what I was thinkin
15:00 Yeah no shit. He had JT, QT, QJ of diamonds, Obviously. It makes exact sense as played. What did they think he had, pocket 5s? Other than that it's broadway diamonds and once in a while just a bare diamond draw semibluffing now that it's heads up.
Missed his diamonds with the 6d7d
K2d makes the most sense to me
I doubt that's an overbet on river. A 2 is the nuts.
@@EllieBanks333 any 2 on the river is the nuts. But K2 diamonds is the nut flush draw on the turn then rivers the straight.
What real draws miss ? KQ or JQ ♦️ not believing it
He could have K2-K4 of diamonds
Sounds like a room I wouldn't go to because of how they run it.
I thought it was for sure K10dd, KJdd, etc
Fish love to hang themselves when they think their hand has improved regardless of what street it is on. 100% this guy turned a king high flush draw and thought that he picked up so much equity that he might as well just get it in now. Their goal is to always get it all in with a draw that way the pot is already big by the river. They don’t understand what a value bet even is or how to win at showdown, they just know that if they hit their hand they want to win at all, so what better way than to get their money in in advance to ensure they win a big pot!
If I get to the river I call here.
villain had 23dd
36 dd seems possible
I'm calling without results.
Bb has so many missed diamond draws
I'd have snapped it of 12:25
14:59 well ... 23dd is also a missed diamond draw and 67dd also
Why the hell are they so obsessed with these Qd3d type hands when the more obvious are the broadway combo draws? Duhh!!
OMFG they still think he could have a 2. He has no 2s. WTF, Bart and the caller are coming off as pretty stupid here. And he's definitely still jamming a set on the river, he just has only a few combos of sets and just as many missed broadway diamond draws.
You’re all wrong. Villain had K2dd.
I don’t agree with folding turn. Seems super exploitable and awfully weak
KQ diamonds
Folding two pair on any street here is ridiculous. People bluff
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Could just be the 23 lol
Fck 10.00
plz boycott anywhere with increased rake
King 5 of clubs. Not much.
If the king improved him somehow.
A creative player with 76 of diamonds? The ace and the king though. It makes it more likely for draws to call as opposed to blasting off into the range and nut advantage.
Smells so much of 55
Who's playing 3Qs? 😂
How many people think that this is just a simple fold on the turn?
I would probably shove turn… only realistically beat by 2/3 or possibly pocket 5’s
Don’t think so think it’s a call once flush bricks to be honest more bluffs than value. Before reveal thought QJd or kxd
It's usually a fold here. Set heavy. Diamonds usually raise the flop.
Seems like he turned a little more equity with 10J diamond or Q10 diamond and that was the reason behind the x/r
fold to what? a set/ straight isnt overcalling a draw heavy flop unless BB had specifically 23dd. its never a fold. The only reason why I would fold the turn is if its vs a super passive OMC who would flat AK preflop.