For quite some time, something like this has been my dream bike, but for one reason or another I've always written it off as a bit of a silly dream. But recently I realized that pre-pandemic, it felt like I wasn't ever chasing many dreams and was too self-conscious of fitting in to break the mold. There's just something about the classic scooter body that's timeless and ever-appealing to me. I just remember scooters being depicted as the "first-step to freedom" in shows as a kid, and even in one of the Grand Theft Auto games I played (when I was too young for it in the early 00's), a scooter's one of the first vehicles you can drive and explore what once felt like the largest open world, so maybe that's where it started for me. Definitely post more videos on this, it's interesting content, and I need more things to help hold onto this enthusiasm, since I plan on signing up for driving courses in the spring because it's getting too cold now for that.
Very cool project. I restored a Sebring vanguard citicar a number of years ago, all electric with modern motor controls in it. I'm a licensed electrician in CT. Good to hear of people around me getting involved in converting old scoots. I have a 52 wide frame Vespa. I might reach out to them to encourage them along. Thanks for video.
Such a cool project! Vespa has always been high on my list of vehicles I'd like to own someday. Doing an electrical conversion just makes it even more fun. My first scooter was electric, don't even know what the make/model was. It only had a range of 3-4 miles, so when I rode it to work, I had to charge it to get it back home. I replaced that with a 2000 Yamaha Zuma, which was super fun to ride, but a few years later, when I bought my 1990 Miata, the scooter had to go. Watching you work on this scooter with the fine folks at Spark, it makes me want to get et back into the scooter business. I'm thinking something with an open frame like a Honda Ruckus would make for a great conversion base. Then maybe I'll join the club because, oh look, squirrel! Thanks once again for the inspiration!
Awesome. I'm an up and coming designer too, I hope! lol. If I were to teach a class on the subject I would say, don't just design on paper, go out and do things, fail, get hurt (hopefully not too bad) and start over.
That is definitely one sweet ride! And I definitely wouldn't miss that gas-mix smell. I hope you're also going to LED those lights while you're at it. While I really love the amber glow of the old bulbs, when it comes to light output and low battery drain, the modern stuff really can't be beat. And BTW, you're going to need an inline resistor if you're going the LED route.
That was a fantastic video Tim! Really got a kick out of those "Police Kids"! That Vespa conversion is really incredible! BTW, next time you do an overseas transaction, do it as a "Payment On Delivery" basis. That way you receive the item and the seller gets paid as well. Also, if you don't like the item you can simply return it by paying the return shipping charges! Anyway, good luck with that scooter! 👍👍
As a former welder, I can tell you that it is extremely important to always wear protective eye wear when using a welding machine. It will save your eyes from the destruction the light can cause. As for the weld its self. If you want a strong weld, it's best to tack the corners, and a few spots a few inches in-between, then layer a solid weld of a bead over the entire piece. I was taught to start an arc from the piece you're welding to, then move from top to bottom in a C-shape until the piece is welded together. Never sit for more than one second in the same spot as you can cause a hole to form. So be as fast as you can. And if you need more help, look for some welding videos on RUclips. Great work on the Vespa, Tim. Would love to see more videos outside of your musical instruments like you used to make.
More great work. Really enjoyed watching. For certain what comes around goes around. In th UK your vespa would need a number plate, tax and insurance. Or pedals and 15mph limit. 👍😃😎🤘
A friend of mine has a '61 Vespa with an Air Force base decal on it. I wonder if the military bought a bunch of these to putt around on base back then.
Thanks for being upfront about your sour experiences, most RUclipsrs shy away from getting into dark waters like that (though you're in the absolute right to speak out your experience!). As you might imagine, these old scooters are a whole lot easier to snag around here in Europe and while I still have to look into the current legislation, I'm pretty positive I don't have to worry about homologation or registration around here in Portugal when it comes to electric bikes up until a certain power. I'll definitely ponder this as a future wishlist project, thanks for sharing and enjoy it!
I'm sure they are easier and cheaper to get there than here. They certainly live in a grey area, especially, converted. But I think depending upon where you live and want to use it it should be easy to figure out the right thing to do. So say the lawyers of the 49 Cycle Club :)
Very cool! I have a Baja Warrior and we are stretching the frame 18 inches. I'd like to convert it to electric after awhile but as of now it's still the Predator 212 engine.
This is a very fun departure from your usual content. There's nothing more satisfying than taking on a project for the first, or second time, making mistakes so you lean what not to do and what works. I just did my first torched guitar finish with hand rubbed Tru Oil finish, and I learned a lot. I look forward to the next one. Is that the Chinese truck ???
@@timsway I've never heard of that truck. I just looked them up and they are very cool ! Even vans. Are they all under 700cc ? There are quite a few for sale in USA.
@@michaelb.42112 they've become trendy recently and some guys are importing them in bulk. In Japan, it's a class of car for non highway use that's affordable and popular. In the US, if the vehicle is older than 25 years it can sneak through most (all?) states registration process and not be required to pass emissions or safety requirements. You just need the right paperwork from the dealer and state vin inspection. I drive mine every day and it's great,. but I don't go on the highway with it. It's not designed for that. keep it under 50 mph
@@timsway So very cool. I LOVE your electric Vespa and I subbed to SparksCycleWorks. I'm not trying to take away from that video, but I think we'd love to see a Tim Sway episode of that truck. I know I speak for others because it's COOL.
I bought some wireless clip on tail lights with a remote that I then lost in the process! LOL. Since, I've gotten the headlights and original taillights working and have a better idea for directionals. I'll probably put an update video up
I've been riding mine for a while now as a guinea pig and we're still working on the best setup for it.Drop them an email to let them know or get on a mailing list!
Way better than a Tesla! Super hack. Love the patina look. I'm sure it'll smoke an original, gas and oil burning Vespa. Great video, Tim. Cool commercial too. Mahalo for sharing! : )
Hey brother!! It really warms the heart seeing father and son working on projects together, what a great Dad you are Timbo!! What a sweet scooter!! I agree with you, the original paint/patina is golden!! Once you grind it down to bare metal you've murdered the soul!! Great job!! How many chicks does Vance have? I'll bet he's a one chick type dude...one in every town!! OH!! Awesome work as per usual Tim!! Golf Clap!! Jack ~'()'~
Vance is just now reaching the age where he might start looking in to chicks. We're raising him right so while he may have the looks for a chick in every town, he will have the respect to only have one. :)
@@timsway How refreshing it is knowing there are still some mentally solid reasonable people still raising their children old school!! I was raised like that too!! Jack ~'()'~
Absolutely loved this video, YES please keep them coming and tell the SPARK guys to hurry up with the kit because I want one, is there a waiting list? Maybe a funding mechanism?
Based on interest from this video and our real world testing of it, Spark will more than likely do a Kickstarter or similar to get the ball rolling. sty tuned here and there!
Damn. I used to have a 76 Et3 and 80s p150. Wished I didn't sell them. I'm sure you kept it slower to match a 49cc speed, but a top speed of 60 would be much more useful.
I almost wonder if retrofitting a 60 year old scooter kit would be profitable, since there probably aren't many old Vespa scooters left that would be viable candidates for retrofitting, however, it would be great to make a version of the retrofitted prototype from scratch, that resembles a classic Vespa scooter, but better designed to hold a battery, and all the electrical components, while still having those classic Vespa body lines from scratch...Possibly a battery pack under the floorboards, along with the battery pack under the seat for additional range and power, and maybe regenerative braking, etc. Maybe an on-board charger, so the scooter could be charged with a simple 120V extension cord, or somehow add the option of using readily available electric car chargers for a quick charge at the grocery store/super center.
There are Chinese electric scooters available in the US already that are basically "modern Vespas." The Javelin Spark is working on is a "scooter" not a moped, but with a more motorcycle like body that will be made in the USA (of course the electronics still coming from overseas. Baby steps). Indeed there's a place for all these ideas. Me? As a reclaimer/trashpicker and with my personal aesthetic, I like starting with old and retrofitting it as new, so I'm starting here! I def. want to do more. This is as addicting as making guitars! Oh, and my charger is small, works off a 120v outlet and I keep it in the storage compartment of the Vespa already. What would be nice is if I could easily remove the battery and take it inside with me, like the Javelin prototype: ruclips.net/video/nPMrdCCNn0g/видео.html
@@timsway I appreciate the retrofitting of the classic Vespa scooter that was probably beyond repair to get it to operate as originally designed. (The old motor was seized, and wouldblikely be too costly to return to original operation), but I think that building a scooter with similar design lines would be more marketable than a kit to retrofit a 50-60 year old scooter frame, and there likely aren't many old Vespas laying around that aren't already restored to ICE operation, or rusted out and structurally compromised, or haven't already been recycled. Vespa scooters were much more popular overseas, and I believe there are companies making cheap copies of the entire Vespa ICE drivetrain. I think the cool factor of the Vespa design lines would be a major selling point for a newly manufactured electric scooter design that could be easily modified to better use the available space for the requirements of an electric drive train. I think battery packs (removable) could be integrated into components like the floorboards, or under the seat to better utilize the available space for ultimately additional power and range. I don't know if having a removable battery pack would be as advantageous for the end user, since I doubt many people would be removing their battery pack to charge it on their kitchen table overnight, and more likely, the battery could be left in the scooter, and charged in a garage, or while parked next to the house/apartment, since the scooter would likely be used for an inner-city commute, or for running errands where owning an automobile might not be practical.
@@ltd4all absolutely! That's just not where my interest lies. But city use is why people would want to take the batter inside, for security as well as charging ease. Also, Vespa, who owns the design, already does. www.vespa.com/en_EN/models/elettrica/
Do you have a parts list for this build? I'm interested in knowing what combination of hub, controller and battery you are using and, if you are willing to share, where you purchased the items. Thanks!
On this build I used a 3000 watt hub motor, Sabvoton 72v 80 amp controller and a 72v battery. I don't have the exact parts links/receipts as Spark did the ordering. If you bug those guys they might have actual web links. You'll also need a 72-12v stepdown for lights and stuff and some jury rigging to fit a throttle, brakes, etc.
I've been waiting to see the video on this project. I'm not much of a fossil-fuel guy, but I really liked the idea that you were going to turn this old Vespa into an e-Vespa. I also follow Elm City Vintage Dave and really like the stuff he gets up to. I definitely would like to see more content along these lines. I think the e-assist tie-in fits very well with your green aesthetic and if you can solar charge the battery that's even better! I liked the videos you did on the e-trike from a few years back and was hoping you'd do some more content along those lines. I think this fits. I also like that you kept the patina on the Vespa.
Oh wow, you've definitely been around a while if you remember the e-trike! yea, I used to run the spectrum of "reclaimed" and "green" here but in later years settled in o guitar only content as that's how my audience shifted.
LOL. Yours is a monster! probably blow this out of the water. I'm definitely lacking something going uphill, but still tweaking the settings and output.
@@GaryOshust I don't know the brand off the top of my head but its 3000 watts brushless. we're using a really nice MQCON controller that we can micromanage details. right now I'm limiting it at 52 amps, but it should be able to handle up to 55 or 60. Since this is a prototype, we've ordered a backup motor in case we blow this one and we're slowly pushing it more.
@@timsway I'm running a Kelly KLS-H 8430 for the controller 84v nominal, 100A continuous and 300A max. It's interface for programming isn't that sexy, but it does get the job done. I'll have to look this weekend as to what I dialed it back to as I don't remember off hand. Based on what you are seeing on your bike I'd bump up to a controller in the 70-80A continuous range and maybe look at a 5000w hub to get to the performance you are looking for.
@@GaryOshust right. I'm 72v (but the battery is really 84) and the controler is 150 max, which is pretty perfect for the size and weight of the vehicle (until you hit a big hill). I think even if I can get this rig up to 60 amps I'll be able to cruise uphill at 25, right now it's more like 20. This is the prototype so we're trying to weigh cost/efficiency and legality of keeping it in the "49cc" range without raising too many eyebrows. Another 1000 watts or so would be welcome, but not "neccesary"
I can't mention any brand names but I used a 3000 watt hub motor, 72v controller and 72v battery. Spark Cycleworks still plans on making kits, but they've been busy developing other products. maybe later this year? Let them know you are interested.
Great idea! I am done with gas/2 stroke/poison. The EU conversion kit is $6K. If this can be done for $1,500-$2K that will be a game changer...I will find an old scoot for the project.
That's a really cool project, and I'm glad it worked out for you. By default, if the existing engine wasn't "done"..........I wouldn't have been as approving. In this case, I'm fairly certain that scooter would have just gone to pieces for the sake of others.....so it's a cool save.
The guy I bought it off restores and collects them and he would have been able to buy as rebuilt gas motor for it (that was his plan). But he has so many in the works and more lined up that he was wiling to let this one get non traditionally restored.
@@timsway Hi Tim great effort and I get the father son work shop bond ,thats cool and fun to watch in the project all unfold with honesty. In our defence , the difference with the extra expense of our kits is in the quality, we use higher end componnets alround, our swing arms/control boxes/battery trays 4kw motors are a culmination of 6 years research and development, thee most important part of it all is our batteries which are Samsung /LG cells of the highest rating and best on the market built up to a specific size that fits the different Vespa and Lambretta model 100A BMS for amazing preformance also removable from the scooter for indoor charging option,, all in a compact easy instalation conversion kit. We also provide back up to all our customers worldwide with video calls if need be and our You Tube channel has step by step instalation guides as well as any updates, we also have all spare parts in stock.
I had an Allstate scooter just like that! about a decade ago I realized I would never get that motor running again and I gave it away. now I wish I hadn't :-(
Where did this project end up? I have been looking to build an electric system for my vintage Vespa and found your project in my research. Looks like you and Matt have done a lot of the legwork! And agreed, the the European kit offerings seem way overpriced, and much of this can be sourced from electric bike development. Even just the swingarm CAD design would be helpful.
Here's an update vid I made: You'll have to reach out to Spark to see where they are with it. I know they have a lot of irons in the fire: ruclips.net/video/6m-QeQoR7ms/видео.html
You could contact Spark and let them know you're interested. I think it got pushed to the back burner over there as there wasn't as huge a swell of interest as we expected.
Actually, he was contracted at $2 per hour for his services. Although I believe he has never received payment, despite contacting Tim in writing on numerous occasions.
Tim go to your bank and tell them what happened, often they will retrieve your money. I've had to do the same three or four times over the past 5 years and each time I got my money back. If you used a credit card, they'll also get your money back! Good luck brother...if all fails, lemme know, in my past life I was a bit of a "collector" for some nice gents who were motor cycle enthusiasts!! ") They ALWAYS got their money when I was on the job!! LOL! Take care brother!! Jack ~'()'~
I like ideas like this. I just wish big car companies would do the same for cars. Instead of making new, ugly teslas, start creating ev kits to retrofit all the cars we love. Save cars instead of creating more. I know a few small custom shops do it, but why hasn't conversion kits become a large scale idea yet? I know, not completely on topic to this, but just something on my mind. Imagine a quality drop in ev kit for a classic muscle car body or something. Battery tech is probably holding progress back though. EV batteries are large and heavy.
@@timsway in my neighborhood you weren't mod until you had at least 6 on each side and one in the middle to do face checks :) always wanted a true vespa instead of the motorbocaine.
My commute to work is very hilly. It definitely slows way down on the hills. But then again, so does my truck :) This is part of the "real world R&D" we are doing prior to building the kit.
there will be plenty of them - in private collections, museums, etc. Just like steam trains and horse and buggies. We should never lose or forget the past, but we don't have to live in it.
lol. He was doing the hold your arms as long and straight as you can and lean back thing, totally missing the mark. of course you don't want to be face melting close, but you need to not be afraid to be close enough to see the work. He got it.
That's a real problem, when people are riding ebikes at 100,000 mph down trials specifically designed for "non motorized vehicles). Anyone who uses these trails has certainly seen the painful repercussions.
Good job lads! I convert all my Scooters. Been doing it for 20 years now. ONly last ten have been worthwhile though. My latest is a 1961 V5T Vespa, switched from 8 to 10 inch tyres, 72 volt Lingbo Controller like 300 CDN dollars, 5kw hub wheel motor from QS Motor 250 CDN dollars 130 ah Lithium Titrate speed charge Battery 2100 CDN dollars equals-top speed of 180 kph, 0-60 kph in 1,2 seconds, 420 nm of torque, 45% climb angle (hills not issue) range real world of 610 km's per charge. Same as my 1964 Lambretta GT conversion that is my daily driver. SMeet are pretty good, Retrospective UK is the best in the world currently for the price. I prefer to build my own kit which I do and it is not even half the cost and mine are far better, faster, more reliable, easier to maintain and far more price to use relative. The main thing you need is a swing arm for the rear hub motor. after that it is pretty easy. I have been buying used crappy Indian built imitation Lambretta and Vespa Motors from India as they are like 40 USD empty with no gears or cylinder etc. I reuse the original crank and guts with a simply 72v 5kw BLDC motor in place of the crank and chain drive it to the original Wheel minus the original gears.
Feel free to contact me I can give you ultra awesome cheap parts list to build any Vespa or Lambretta conversion easily. You guys and the Spark guys did a great job though! Honestly! Love to colab on a build?
Thanks for all the insight! Yes, we agree that we need to go bigger than 3000 watts for hills and stuff. It;s perfect on flat ground, but I don't live in a flat part of the world! I'd be very, VERY interested in seeing your parts list. you can email me directly via newperspectivesmusic.com
Hi! I have an old 60's Vespa (in many pieces) and would be very interested in an easy to install kit. Feel free to message me wherever, I'm GhostHause everywhere. Cheers!
Check out the Spark Javelin here: ruclips.net/video/nPMrdCCNn0g/видео.html
www.sparkcycleworks.com
I always have a soft spot for videos about father and son projects. I hope he enjoyed helping as much as it seems you've enjoyed this project!
For quite some time, something like this has been my dream bike, but for one reason or another I've always written it off as a bit of a silly dream. But recently I realized that pre-pandemic, it felt like I wasn't ever chasing many dreams and was too self-conscious of fitting in to break the mold.
There's just something about the classic scooter body that's timeless and ever-appealing to me. I just remember scooters being depicted as the "first-step to freedom" in shows as a kid, and even in one of the Grand Theft Auto games I played (when I was too young for it in the early 00's), a scooter's one of the first vehicles you can drive and explore what once felt like the largest open world, so maybe that's where it started for me.
Definitely post more videos on this, it's interesting content, and I need more things to help hold onto this enthusiasm, since I plan on signing up for driving courses in the spring because it's getting too cold now for that.
Very cool project. I restored a Sebring vanguard citicar a number of years ago, all electric with modern motor controls in it. I'm a licensed electrician in CT. Good to hear of people around me getting involved in converting old scoots. I have a 52 wide frame Vespa. I might reach out to them to encourage them along.
Thanks for video.
awesome. I love those citicars. My daily driver is a gas powered Kei truck that I really want to convert, too.
I love this project! A DIY kit will be a hot seller. Cudos to Matt and Tim for working their way through this challenge!
cheers! The idea of the kit would be to create a nice, neat wiring harness and a project box for minimal invasiveness.
Definitely! A very cool concept and well executed! I just need a vintage Vespa now :)
I was literally looking at EV converted vespas just the other week. This is really cool to see.
That was great, thanks for taking us along!
cheers man!
Such a cool project! Vespa has always been high on my list of vehicles I'd like to own someday. Doing an electrical conversion just makes it even more fun. My first scooter was electric, don't even know what the make/model was. It only had a range of 3-4 miles, so when I rode it to work, I had to charge it to get it back home. I replaced that with a 2000 Yamaha Zuma, which was super fun to ride, but a few years later, when I bought my 1990 Miata, the scooter had to go. Watching you work on this scooter with the fine folks at Spark, it makes me want to get et back into the scooter business. I'm thinking something with an open frame like a Honda Ruckus would make for a great conversion base. Then maybe I'll join the club because, oh look, squirrel! Thanks once again for the inspiration!
yes, an electric Ruckus would be great!
Amazing ❤ Vance is growing up !! Great video Tim what a wonderful project with Sparks
This is very cool. I definitely am interested in converting old scooters to electric. Thanks for the amazing video and I hope to see more!
love seeing you create! i feel inspired as an up 'n' coming designer. would love to see more about the vespa!
Awesome. I'm an up and coming designer too, I hope! lol. If I were to teach a class on the subject I would say, don't just design on paper, go out and do things, fail, get hurt (hopefully not too bad) and start over.
Tim I love the father/son project. Parenting done right
Enjoyed this project! It fits right into your recycle/repurpose/restore thing very well!
Yes! A good kit for Vespa is very much needed.
That is definitely one sweet ride! And I definitely wouldn't miss that gas-mix smell.
I hope you're also going to LED those lights while you're at it. While I really love the amber glow of the old bulbs, when it comes to light output and low battery drain, the modern stuff really can't be beat. And BTW, you're going to need an inline resistor if you're going the LED route.
Yes. I want to be seen more than be cool :)
@@timsway Well, one doesn't exclude the other 😉
Yes, more :) Good work done by all involved!
That was a fantastic video Tim! Really got a kick out of those "Police Kids"! That Vespa conversion is really incredible! BTW, next time you do an overseas transaction, do it as a "Payment On Delivery" basis. That way you receive the item and the seller gets paid as well. Also, if you don't like the item you can simply return it by paying the return shipping charges! Anyway, good luck with that scooter! 👍👍
yes keep sharing projects like this
As a former welder, I can tell you that it is extremely important to always wear protective eye wear when using a welding machine. It will save your eyes from the destruction the light can cause. As for the weld its self. If you want a strong weld, it's best to tack the corners, and a few spots a few inches in-between, then layer a solid weld of a bead over the entire piece. I was taught to start an arc from the piece you're welding to, then move from top to bottom in a C-shape until the piece is welded together. Never sit for more than one second in the same spot as you can cause a hole to form. So be as fast as you can. And if you need more help, look for some welding videos on RUclips.
Great work on the Vespa, Tim. Would love to see more videos outside of your musical instruments like you used to make.
While my son had the helmet on, I was closing my eyes. Thanks for the tips!
@@timsway Cool. They also make welding goggles.
Wow - that was the most fun I could have sitting on the couch LOL. Love the concept and the video! Keep up the great entertainment.
Great project. Thanks for the video
Really cool! I was looking forward to seeing this after I heard about it on Dave's podcast.
More great work. Really enjoyed watching. For certain what comes around goes around. In th UK your vespa would need a number plate, tax and insurance. Or pedals and 15mph limit.
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Everywhere is different, for sure. You could register it like any old Vespa I'm sure. It is no faster or more/less safe than a gas aspirated Vespa
Loving your ‘glance sideways’ goggles as you taught Vance.
he had the helmet on, he couldn't see that :)
A friend of mine has a '61 Vespa with an Air Force base decal on it. I wonder if the military bought a bunch of these to putt around on base back then.
interesting... maybe. This is actually an Allstate (Sears import) and I'm sure Sears and the US Military partnered on a lot of things back then.
Whoa! This is super cool.
I have a 1959 Heinkel Tourist I'd love to turn into an electric scooter. Nice work on the Vespa.
that would be amazing electric! If it has a similar motor swing arm, it could be done in the same way for sure.
Love it! I wish to convert one (or both) of our scooters!
So cool and thanks for sharing what you've learned!
Thanks for being upfront about your sour experiences, most RUclipsrs shy away from getting into dark waters like that (though you're in the absolute right to speak out your experience!). As you might imagine, these old scooters are a whole lot easier to snag around here in Europe and while I still have to look into the current legislation, I'm pretty positive I don't have to worry about homologation or registration around here in Portugal when it comes to electric bikes up until a certain power. I'll definitely ponder this as a future wishlist project, thanks for sharing and enjoy it!
I'm sure they are easier and cheaper to get there than here. They certainly live in a grey area, especially, converted. But I think depending upon where you live and want to use it it should be easy to figure out the right thing to do. So say the lawyers of the 49 Cycle Club :)
This is the best. I have a slightly bigger bike (a Vespa 150 Super) that I've been looking to try this with. I'm chasing down Matt and Taryn now!
those are big bikes, Matt got one in to experiment with, so he is thinking about it
Very cool! I have a Baja Warrior and we are stretching the frame 18 inches. I'd like to convert it to electric after awhile but as of now it's still the Predator 212 engine.
Fun! yea, cost-to-performance wise it's still very hard to beat the predator. But I like to be on the cutting edge of things, despite the setbacks :)
This is a very fun departure from your usual content. There's nothing more satisfying than taking on a project for the first, or second time, making mistakes so you lean what not to do and what works. I just did my first torched guitar finish with hand rubbed Tru Oil finish, and I learned a lot. I look forward to the next one. Is that the Chinese truck ???
Japanese Kei truck. 1992 Honda Acty. I love it. cheers!
@@timsway It is SOOOooo cool. I love that the side turns into a ramp. So Tim Sway.
@@timsway I've never heard of that truck. I just looked them up and they are very cool ! Even vans. Are they all under 700cc ? There are quite a few for sale in USA.
@@michaelb.42112 they've become trendy recently and some guys are importing them in bulk. In Japan, it's a class of car for non highway use that's affordable and popular. In the US, if the vehicle is older than 25 years it can sneak through most (all?) states registration process and not be required to pass emissions or safety requirements. You just need the right paperwork from the dealer and state vin inspection. I drive mine every day and it's great,. but I don't go on the highway with it. It's not designed for that. keep it under 50 mph
@@timsway So very cool. I LOVE your electric Vespa and I subbed to SparksCycleWorks. I'm not trying to take away from that video, but I think we'd love to see a Tim Sway episode of that truck. I know I speak for others because it's COOL.
That's really cool! Great job!
That A5 club patch is from a club based in Surrey, UK. My mate is a member.
Interesting. I wonder how it ended up here in the States?
::The Pillows - “Crazy Sunshine” plays in the background::
Very cool. I really dig taking old things and making them useful again!
Would love to see a part 2 to this have u considered a bicycle light kit to get the lights working?
I bought some wireless clip on tail lights with a remote that I then lost in the process! LOL. Since, I've gotten the headlights and original taillights working and have a better idea for directionals. I'll probably put an update video up
Looking to do this to my '64 Vespa. Hoping Spark's kit comes to market soon.
I've been riding mine for a while now as a guinea pig and we're still working on the best setup for it.Drop them an email to let them know or get on a mailing list!
Way better than a Tesla! Super hack. Love the patina look. I'm sure it'll smoke an original, gas and oil burning Vespa. Great video, Tim. Cool commercial too. Mahalo for sharing! : )
Hey brother!! It really warms the heart seeing father and son working on projects together, what a great Dad you are Timbo!!
What a sweet scooter!! I agree with you, the original paint/patina is golden!! Once you grind it down to bare metal you've murdered the soul!!
Great job!!
How many chicks does Vance have? I'll bet he's a one chick type dude...one in every town!! OH!!
Awesome work as per usual Tim!!
Golf Clap!!
Jack ~'()'~
Vance is just now reaching the age where he might start looking in to chicks. We're raising him right so while he may have the looks for a chick in every town, he will have the respect to only have one. :)
@@timsway How refreshing it is knowing there are still some mentally solid reasonable people still raising their children old school!!
I was raised like that too!!
Jack ~'()'~
In 1971 I have Bajaj vespa the no one scooter in the world I love it
A septillion labor hours sure is a lot!.
This is such a cool project. The Javelin also looks very interesting.
I may have underestimated :) here's more info on the Jav: ruclips.net/video/nPMrdCCNn0g/видео.html
Love this project! Gonna have to check them out!
I'm not much of an engine man myself, but you are making me really want to do this😅
neither am I!
+1 for the kit when it becomes available
That B-Roll music. Lord save me I was in a small room when that rip came in at full volume.
Yeah, could've had the guitar track a bit lower there haha
@@Bleats_Sinodai it was great, just unexpected loool
I gotta keep you on your toes :)
@@timsway oh you certainly did 🤣
What a great way for your son to learn.
Frigging awesome tim!
This project was amazing!!! Way to go, so cool!
Great video! Very interesting and inspiring!
Excellent !!!
But does it go to 11 ?
Absolutely loved this video, YES please keep them coming and tell the SPARK guys to hurry up with the kit because I want one, is there a waiting list? Maybe a funding mechanism?
Based on interest from this video and our real world testing of it, Spark will more than likely do a Kickstarter or similar to get the ball rolling. sty tuned here and there!
…like the content. Keep it going Tim.
Damn. I used to have a 76 Et3 and 80s p150. Wished I didn't sell them.
I'm sure you kept it slower to match a 49cc speed, but a top speed of 60 would be much more useful.
I almost wonder if retrofitting a 60 year old scooter kit would be profitable, since there probably aren't many old Vespa scooters left that would be viable candidates for retrofitting, however, it would be great to make a version of the retrofitted prototype from scratch, that resembles a classic Vespa scooter, but better designed to hold a battery, and all the electrical components, while still having those classic Vespa body lines from scratch...Possibly a battery pack under the floorboards, along with the battery pack under the seat for additional range and power, and maybe regenerative braking, etc. Maybe an on-board charger, so the scooter could be charged with a simple 120V extension cord, or somehow add the option of using readily available electric car chargers for a quick charge at the grocery store/super center.
There are Chinese electric scooters available in the US already that are basically "modern Vespas." The Javelin Spark is working on is a "scooter" not a moped, but with a more motorcycle like body that will be made in the USA (of course the electronics still coming from overseas. Baby steps). Indeed there's a place for all these ideas. Me? As a reclaimer/trashpicker and with my personal aesthetic, I like starting with old and retrofitting it as new, so I'm starting here! I def. want to do more. This is as addicting as making guitars!
Oh, and my charger is small, works off a 120v outlet and I keep it in the storage compartment of the Vespa already. What would be nice is if I could easily remove the battery and take it inside with me, like the Javelin prototype: ruclips.net/video/nPMrdCCNn0g/видео.html
@@timsway I appreciate the retrofitting of the classic Vespa scooter that was probably beyond repair to get it to operate as originally designed. (The old motor was seized, and wouldblikely be too costly to return to original operation), but I think that building a scooter with similar design lines would be more marketable than a kit to retrofit a 50-60 year old scooter frame, and there likely aren't many old Vespas laying around that aren't already restored to ICE operation, or rusted out and structurally compromised, or haven't already been recycled. Vespa scooters were much more popular overseas, and I believe there are companies making cheap copies of the entire Vespa ICE drivetrain. I think the cool factor of the Vespa design lines would be a major selling point for a newly manufactured electric scooter design that could be easily modified to better use the available space for the requirements of an electric drive train. I think battery packs (removable) could be integrated into components like the floorboards, or under the seat to better utilize the available space for ultimately additional power and range.
I don't know if having a removable battery pack would be as advantageous for the end user, since I doubt many people would be removing their battery pack to charge it on their kitchen table overnight, and more likely, the battery could be left in the scooter, and charged in a garage, or while parked next to the house/apartment, since the scooter would likely be used for an inner-city commute, or for running errands where owning an automobile might not be practical.
@@ltd4all absolutely! That's just not where my interest lies. But city use is why people would want to take the batter inside, for security as well as charging ease. Also, Vespa, who owns the design, already does. www.vespa.com/en_EN/models/elettrica/
Do you have a parts list for this build? I'm interested in knowing what combination of hub, controller and battery you are using and, if you are willing to share, where you purchased the items. Thanks!
On this build I used a 3000 watt hub motor, Sabvoton 72v 80 amp controller and a 72v battery. I don't have the exact parts links/receipts as Spark did the ordering. If you bug those guys they might have actual web links. You'll also need a 72-12v stepdown for lights and stuff and some jury rigging to fit a throttle, brakes, etc.
I've been waiting to see the video on this project. I'm not much of a fossil-fuel guy, but I really liked the idea that you were going to turn this old Vespa into an e-Vespa. I also follow Elm City Vintage Dave and really like the stuff he gets up to. I definitely would like to see more content along these lines. I think the e-assist tie-in fits very well with your green aesthetic and if you can solar charge the battery that's even better! I liked the videos you did on the e-trike from a few years back and was hoping you'd do some more content along those lines. I think this fits. I also like that you kept the patina on the Vespa.
Oh wow, you've definitely been around a while if you remember the e-trike! yea, I used to run the spectrum of "reclaimed" and "green" here but in later years settled in o guitar only content as that's how my audience shifted.
This is so awesome!
Neat project. I’d consider buying an old, out of sorts Vespa to install one. Also, Electric Vespa would be a good band name!
"Tim Sway and the Electric Vespa" would be a better band name, whether I'm in the band or not.
Good shit tim!
As member #005 I fully support and enjoy this content. Great job Tim!
LOL. Yours is a monster! probably blow this out of the water. I'm definitely lacking something going uphill, but still tweaking the settings and output.
@@timsway getting the right amperage and cooling is key. Which hub motor is it one of the QS wheels?
@@GaryOshust I don't know the brand off the top of my head but its 3000 watts brushless. we're using a really nice MQCON controller that we can micromanage details. right now I'm limiting it at 52 amps, but it should be able to handle up to 55 or 60. Since this is a prototype, we've ordered a backup motor in case we blow this one and we're slowly pushing it more.
@@timsway I'm running a Kelly KLS-H 8430 for the controller 84v nominal, 100A continuous and 300A max. It's interface for programming isn't that sexy, but it does get the job done. I'll have to look this weekend as to what I dialed it back to as I don't remember off hand. Based on what you are seeing on your bike I'd bump up to a controller in the 70-80A continuous range and maybe look at a 5000w hub to get to the performance you are looking for.
@@GaryOshust right. I'm 72v (but the battery is really 84) and the controler is 150 max, which is pretty perfect for the size and weight of the vehicle (until you hit a big hill). I think even if I can get this rig up to 60 amps I'll be able to cruise uphill at 25, right now it's more like 20. This is the prototype so we're trying to weigh cost/efficiency and legality of keeping it in the "49cc" range without raising too many eyebrows. Another 1000 watts or so would be welcome, but not "neccesary"
Hey Tim :)
Can you give more insights into the Used Products?
Like product numbers and names in Detail?
Tranks!
I can't mention any brand names but I used a 3000 watt hub motor, 72v controller and 72v battery. Spark Cycleworks still plans on making kits, but they've been busy developing other products. maybe later this year? Let them know you are interested.
Yes, yes DIY Kit please…
Very Sway 👍
Vesparado!
Great idea! I am done with gas/2 stroke/poison. The EU conversion kit is $6K. If this can be done for $1,500-$2K that will be a game changer...I will find an old scoot for the project.
I spent about $2k, plus a couple hundred for the scooter. You could get a smaller battery/range and save
Hell ya, I can see a market in converting the combustion engine into an electric vehicle.
That's a really cool project, and I'm glad it worked out for you. By default, if the existing engine wasn't "done"..........I wouldn't have been as approving. In this case, I'm fairly certain that scooter would have just gone to pieces for the sake of others.....so it's a cool save.
The guy I bought it off restores and collects them and he would have been able to buy as rebuilt gas motor for it (that was his plan). But he has so many in the works and more lined up that he was wiling to let this one get non traditionally restored.
@@timsway I refer to this as "Rust-O-Ration"...... keep it looking used.
@@DeadKoby As the saying goes, it only has original paint once...
See also Retrospective Scooters, UK. You both ended up with the same solution, around the same time.
They were around before us but are incredibly expensive and overseas. We saw a market for the US.
@@timsway Hi Tim great effort and I get the father son work shop bond ,thats cool and fun to watch in the project all unfold with honesty. In our defence , the difference with the extra expense of our kits is in the quality, we use higher end componnets alround, our swing arms/control boxes/battery trays 4kw motors are a culmination of 6 years research and development, thee most important part of it all is our batteries which are Samsung /LG cells of the highest rating and best on the market built up to a specific size that fits the different Vespa and Lambretta model 100A BMS for amazing preformance also removable from the scooter for indoor charging option,, all in a compact easy instalation conversion kit. We also provide back up to all our customers worldwide with video calls if need be and our You Tube channel has step by step instalation guides as well as any updates, we also have all spare parts in stock.
What is the model of the pickup truck you are using to transport the scooter?
It's a Honda Acty, a grey market Japanese Kei truck import. I freaking love it. Been my daily driver for about 3 years.
AWESOME!!!! 👍😁👍
I had an Allstate scooter just like that! about a decade ago I realized I would never get that motor running again and I gave it away. now I wish I hadn't :-(
sorry I tool so long! lol :)
Where did this project end up? I have been looking to build an electric system for my vintage Vespa and found your project in my research. Looks like you and Matt have done a lot of the legwork! And agreed, the the European kit offerings seem way overpriced, and much of this can be sourced from electric bike development. Even just the swingarm CAD design would be helpful.
Here's an update vid I made: You'll have to reach out to Spark to see where they are with it. I know they have a lot of irons in the fire: ruclips.net/video/6m-QeQoR7ms/видео.html
Any progress on the kit ?
You could contact Spark and let them know you're interested. I think it got pushed to the back burner over there as there wasn't as huge a swell of interest as we expected.
Loved this whole thing but especially your kid getting to get in there and be part of it with you. No dollar amount you can put on that!
Actually, he was contracted at $2 per hour for his services. Although I believe he has never received payment, despite contacting Tim in writing on numerous occasions.
Hey, that's between me and the kid's lawyers, Rico. Stay out of it. :-p
Winner 🏆
Tim go to your bank and tell them what happened, often they will retrieve your money. I've had to do the same three or four times over the past 5 years and each time I got my money back.
If you used a credit card, they'll also get your money back!
Good luck brother...if all fails, lemme know, in my past life I was a bit of a "collector" for some nice gents who were motor cycle enthusiasts!! ")
They ALWAYS got their money when I was on the job!! LOL!
Take care brother!!
Jack ~'()'~
It was a direct wire transfer, which is a little more difficult to contest and unprotected. :/ It's only money, no one needs to get hurt! lol
I like ideas like this. I just wish big car companies would do the same for cars. Instead of making new, ugly teslas, start creating ev kits to retrofit all the cars we love. Save cars instead of creating more. I know a few small custom shops do it, but why hasn't conversion kits become a large scale idea yet? I know, not completely on topic to this, but just something on my mind. Imagine a quality drop in ev kit for a classic muscle car body or something. Battery tech is probably holding progress back though. EV batteries are large and heavy.
Father and son projects...that's how I learned 'man' stuff....and Mum taught me the important stuff later!!LOL!!
Ok. But how slick is it that you use the side of your mini truck for the ramp!!!!! Gah!
the mini truck is the best designed truck out there. Unless you wanna go fast or be safe :)
@@timsway I watch MCM and Marty has a 4x4 tipper version (they are in Australia). They have turbocharged it!!!
@@TheMerc1950 my dream is to electrify it like the Vespa.
Needs more mirrors! :)😁
I got one on the other side now. I was just missing the bolt when we filmed this :)
@@timsway in my neighborhood you weren't mod until you had at least 6 on each side and one in the middle to do face checks :) always wanted a true vespa instead of the motorbocaine.
It’s a bit of a philosophical conundrum: if it doesn’t buzz, is it still a vespa /wasp?
lol. Despite the name, IMO, this is the way the Vespa was always meant to be enjoyed, like a silent cloud rolling down the road...
Drive in mountainous area....see the performance
My commute to work is very hilly. It definitely slows way down on the hills. But then again, so does my truck :) This is part of the "real world R&D" we are doing prior to building the kit.
@@timsway awaiting your invention....make it low cost for pricing
Why?
doeas it have TUUB's ? se told ya - noty analog at all . sounds digital
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such a shame... one day there will be no more 2 stokers..
there will be plenty of them - in private collections, museums, etc. Just like steam trains and horse and buggies. We should never lose or forget the past, but we don't have to live in it.
"Get your head in real close." NO!
lol. He was doing the hold your arms as long and straight as you can and lean back thing, totally missing the mark. of course you don't want to be face melting close, but you need to not be afraid to be close enough to see the work. He got it.
Sabotage!!!!
WHY ?
Ride it and you would no longer ask that question :)
Destruction of a classic vehicle what a shame
Noooo. Why? 😢
I'm all for electric vehicles of every shape and size, just keep the stinking electric motor cycles OFF the bike trails.
That's a real problem, when people are riding ebikes at 100,000 mph down trials specifically designed for "non motorized vehicles). Anyone who uses these trails has certainly seen the painful repercussions.
You should really wear a mask, the light off the tip is super bad for your eyes
While I was teaching my son to weld, he had the helmet and I was just closing my eyes.
Sacrilege! should've picked some other project to do with your son,like build a model airplane.
Good job lads! I convert all my Scooters. Been doing it for 20 years now. ONly last ten have been worthwhile though. My latest is a 1961 V5T Vespa, switched from 8 to 10 inch tyres, 72 volt Lingbo Controller like 300 CDN dollars, 5kw hub wheel motor from QS Motor 250 CDN dollars 130 ah Lithium Titrate speed charge Battery 2100 CDN dollars equals-top speed of 180 kph, 0-60 kph in 1,2 seconds, 420 nm of torque, 45% climb angle (hills not issue) range real world of 610 km's per charge. Same as my 1964 Lambretta GT conversion that is my daily driver. SMeet are pretty good, Retrospective UK is the best in the world currently for the price. I prefer to build my own kit which I do and it is not even half the cost and mine are far better, faster, more reliable, easier to maintain and far more price to use relative. The main thing you need is a swing arm for the rear hub motor. after that it is pretty easy. I have been buying used crappy Indian built imitation Lambretta and Vespa Motors from India as they are like 40 USD empty with no gears or cylinder etc. I reuse the original crank and guts with a simply 72v 5kw BLDC motor in place of the crank and chain drive it to the original Wheel minus the original gears.
Feel free to contact me I can give you ultra awesome cheap parts list to build any Vespa or Lambretta conversion easily. You guys and the Spark guys did a great job though! Honestly! Love to colab on a build?
Thanks for all the insight! Yes, we agree that we need to go bigger than 3000 watts for hills and stuff. It;s perfect on flat ground, but I don't live in a flat part of the world! I'd be very, VERY interested in seeing your parts list. you can email me directly via newperspectivesmusic.com
Hi! I have an old 60's Vespa (in many pieces) and would be very interested in an easy to install kit. Feel free to message me wherever, I'm GhostHause everywhere. Cheers!
Reach out to www.SparkCycleworks.com. He's the guy who will be making them