Sex and the City: How Carrie Was Wrong About Everything
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- Опубликовано: 5 июн 2024
- Sex and the City is one of the most beloved shows of its era, but we don’t love it because its characters are always loveable. In fact, part of its enduring appeal is that it centers on four women who are flawed and frustrating and often get things wrong - we enjoy watching them learn and grow on their journey. And at the middle of this imperfect quartet is narrator Carrie Bradshaw.
She’s the main character who many love to hate, the kind of heroine that occasionally makes us throw stuff at the TV, because so many of her choices and attitudes are just plain wrong - from the way she treats her friends and partners to her deep seated self-esteem issues that she was never quite ready to work on. So let’s take a look at some of the things Carrie was totally wrong about (and how her willingness to keep trying despite her faults was her saving grace.)
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CHAPTERS
00:00 Intro
00:47 Not being a very good friend...
02:35 Taking, but never really giving
04:00 Prioritizing the wrong things (& making her own life more stressful)
06:37 Only wanting what she can't have
08:12 Never taking responsibility for her choices
10:15 Why we love her despite (or even because of) her flaws
The Take was created by Debra Minoff & Susannah McCullough
This video was written by Ellie Slee, produced/narrated by Jessica Babineaux, and edited by John Tod 
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Can we collectively agree that Carrie is a horrible narcissist?
We now know that if it doesn’t work it was their fault. However there was a patriarchy, if it didn’t work we thought it was our fault. We were told to have fortitude 😢 The Duchess is a similar story, keep in mind it is fictional.
I hated how she went to therapy ONCE and realized her therapist was right sooo she decided to stop going.
lol yes! She really thought her friends could be her FREE therapists for forever.
I liked it, it's realistic on how many ppl actually do when the therapist isn't one to support bad habits
honestly, Carrie saying she thinks therapy is BS is the biggest endorsement for therapy I've ever heard
@@frankinsaneandmyrrh1202 However, it reflects the zeitgeist of the 90s/2000s. Mental health hasn't been taken seriously for so long.
OMG this ! I instantly remembered this. These were a era when people only worked on themselves when they were diagnosed not just to work on their own trauma
Rewatching the series as an adult, I say confidently - I wouldn’t want to be friends with Carrie!
ye me neither she awful
Kinda ironic?
Agreed. She's an awful person and an awful friend.
I want to be friends with Samantha and Miranda!
Yes! Thank you.
Carrie treated Aidan the same way Big treated Carrie.
Even worse
Thats the point. Its like wi tbh family matters larua treated steve the way steve treated mya
But Aidan didn't treat her in a good way either. He wanted her to quit smoking, to like country life, for example. This is a usual way, when abuser meets a woman with bad and good habits and starts trying to change her the way he wants. She is a city girl, why insist her to go to his country house? She smokes a lot, why ask her to quit? He is not a good guy.
@@olgalopatina9715 asking your partner to stop smoking is not abuse, smoking is slow suicide...
@@Puerco-Potter it was a pressure, not just asking. A mature person decides it by her/himself.
Samatha was right: For a sex columnist, she had a narrow view of sexuality. The biphobic moment was disgusting.
Miranda and Charlotte were also biphobic but ok
@@thefriesofLockeLamorayeah it was but you would expect a person who writes about sex for a living would be more open minded
Says the woman who being a supposedly successful PR representative couldn't do her job in Abu Dhabi just because it was a Islamic country and didn't bother to do what Samantha did with no problem (learning about the country). We have to assume that they are great professionals just because the script says so
@@MatildeVallespinCasas Wasn't Samantha the PR person? (I haven't watched the movies.)
@@HuntingViolets that's what I meant. I was just pointing out the script inconsistencies with all characters
Her whole “not like other girls” thing about Natasha was so childish. There was nothing wrong with Natasha but Carrie decides she must be boring because she’s not like Carrie.
Well, she redecorated Big's apartment to be all beige.
@@MyAccountForCommentingwhich gives you NO insight to who a person fundamentally is 😂
But this is acknowledged in the show. The show knows she’s the villain in that story. But when you do wrong things, you’re stuck with yourself. That’s the beauty of Carrie’s character. We’ve all been the bad guy and been stuck with it.
But so many grown ass women do it!... They need to see how unlikable it is.
Yeah. . .It always sounded like the kind of thing that someone would tell themselves when they're deeply in pain, but not mature enough to dissect that pain, rather than directing it toward others.
That’s the best thing Charlotte ever said was “money and friends don’t mix”
yes! I agree 100%
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I never loan money to anyone. I gave it to a gift and only in the amount I can afford. I never expect money I give out to ever come back. I make this my mindset.
We’ve all learned that lesson in a more or less hard way.
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Carrie taking her 💩 on Charlotte for not offering her money I just wanted to yell at her: "Stop spending money on luxury goods you cannot really afford and start to act like an adult!"
Why didn't she sell all those shoes and bags. I'm pretty sure it can settle a huge part of the money issue?
And then declining money from BIG! She was freely letting him use her up but can’t take money from him? Sickening
@@sethulakshmyes7534right? But that would mean she finally grew up and got her priorities in order
@@EB-mz4nkexactly! He wouldn't even notice he's missing a dime and she was too proud to take anything from him yet didn't have an ounce of integrity when she came yelling at her friend for not offering to solve her problem
@@EB-mz4nkuse her up? 😂
I was always a samantha fan, samantha was always there for her friends and didnt judge.
She definitely judged…judged Charlotte for being a prude and having kids.
She did not tho. I'm doing a rewatch atm and Samantha only makes really snide remarks when Charlotte did something admittedly unwise. She was the least judgemental of them all and never called Charlotte names or sth. Whereas Carrie and Miranda more than once indirectly called Sam a sl*t and Charlotte said her vagina was always open... not comparable to Sam in any way. Sam just called out the unrealistic and absurd fairytales fantasies Charlotte had for the most part of the show. Heck, she even helped Aidan pick out the right engagement ring for Carrie...
Yes she did judge A LOT. She all but tried to write Miranda off as soon as she had Brady and if anyone was getting married or had children.
@@konpulsivSam was a slut.
I actually think this is mostly correct but Sam did judge the women when they were domestic. She also projected when Carrie walked in on her with the random delivery guy. She felt ashamed
Carrie may be the leading lady, but she's easily the worst character, it's inexplicable how anyone would tolerate her as a friend or romantic partner.
To me that makes her interesting character and therefore a good one (not to be confused with good person). In all of this moral purity BS we've lost that distinction.
Moral purity? 😂😂😂 she’s a dick, selfish and not accountable. She’s written that way so who cares 😂😂😂
@@saltycrunchexactly, I’d rather watch an unlikable interesting character than a boring one.
This is why the remake has such bad reviews - fans of the show have not forgotten how terrible she was.
She has main character syndrome as the main character 😂. I like that she’s there. I learned a lot from watching her mistakes. They showed consequences for her bad behavior.
In Just like that, Miranda needs a home, Carrie is selling her apartment, never offers it up to Miranda. Instead she offers it to a nobody and a slacker at a huge discount price. Charlotte was the one who saved her from being out on the street. So much for passing it forward. Hmm Carrie a worthless friend to have or just a frenemy!!!!
OMGGGG yes! That made me so angry! Like shouldn't be common sense to offer it to Miranda? Pathetic.
Would have been a clever way to keep the iconic apartment in the show
WHOA. WHAT?!?! I haven't watched the new show, but this is happening? WTF Carrie!
@@tracys169, Carrie sold her iconic apartment for a bargain price to a young girl who moved in down stairs .
Miranda had no home because Steve and her separated .
I think she should of sold it to Miranda instead
When was this
I always wondered how Carrie's friends were never bothered about her writing about them in her column. She apparently used their real names and everything, so you'd expect them to establish some boundaries.
I never noticed this
it’s almost like they never read it lmaoooo
I’ve noticed this and wondered the same thing.
They were ok with it. Samantha said enough times in season 1. Charlotte also established boundaries where needed.
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Carrie was the ultimate "pick-me" girl before it was even a concept.
Carrie is the type of person to do things wrong, and think an apology is going to fix it.
"You have to forgive me! You HAVE to FORGIVE me!" ugh
unfortunately carrie also sucks at apologizing lol
My first hint that there was something wrong with Carrie, was when she started generalizing her behaviors as universal for all women, when they didn't seem to be true or even healthy.
Watching this it's nice to feel vindicated.
Pshhhh. I was 22 when i saw the episode where she had no money but had spent $40,000 on shoes. And then got mad at charlotte for not offering her a loan. She lost me forever after that.
When this mentions Carrie doesn’t do the work to figure out where her insecurities it made me realize. It always bugged me Carrie has no family. No parents. No siblings. We meet everyone else’s. It seems like there was an untold story there. Why is she no contact with the parents? And why does she never speak of it? She might have some stuff she is avoiding.
Good point
Aside from Charlotte’s brother, I don’t think we see any of the other characters family. She also mentions in the show that her dad abandoned the family very early.
@@bloojkl4520 we meet/see all of Miranda's brothers and sister during My Motherboard, Myself. She also talks about visiting her grandfather in the Freak show episode. Charlotte's father is giving her away at her wedding (I presume it's her father anyways) and of course Wesley. Sam talks about her mother's life at Sam's age and about her mom's cure all Fanta/cough syrup concoction. And we see Steve's family, Big's mother, and Aiden's parents.
Yeah maybe we see everyone’s was an exaggeration but they’re not as invisible and unmentioned as Carrie’s. I know. I have kind of a bad relationship with my brother and friends of mine who’ve known me for many years are sometimes surprised to learn I have a brother because I just do not like to talk about it.
idk i always found this to be really relatable in a way that a lot of characters aren’t. carrie is definitely from a higher class background than me but a lot of us have escaped abusive homes to get to a major city in our early twenties and have nothing good to say about our childhood/family/upbringing. i too feel like i spawned at 20 years old in the middle of a busy intersection kyle XY style. i appreciate the focus on her life now, that’s the part that matters.
As a guy who has always been taught to be like Aidan and saw him as the most aspirational male character on that show, the way Carrie treated him really pissed me off
actually, I'll second that, yeah. it makes rewatching the show hard, tbh. and to hear they brought him back for And Just Like That...
He was previously great on _Northern Exposure_ in a similar role
No! Aidan is not a aspirational male character. He wanted to change her, he did not understand what she wanted, he was insecure.. or I mean still is insecure and needy.
yikes
@@JulianaTabares admittedly, it's been a _very_ long time since I watched the show, I may have forgotten some things ...
You could drink yourself unconscious with how many times Carrie was a hypocrite.
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The awful truth is that out of the four women Carrie was actually just child or teenager at best. It shows in how she behaves towards her friends, boyfriends, deals with finances and career. She is not serious about anything really that her own issues, buying shoes and obsessing about Big. Just rewatching the series, listening to the things she says and how she says them, it is clear that she teenager trapped in the body of a 35 year old woman. She is really lucky to have such strong and wise women in her life to guide her although she doesn't treat them as well quite regularly.
Well stated. Thank you
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Was just thinking how odd this show was so relatable to me… when I was a teenager
Having an honest hookup is way more decent than being a homewrecker of dishonesty 😅
She hasn’t faced a lot of the problems people with such unbridled spending habits would face (poverty, debt, bankruptcy). Her column unrealistically skyrocketed her into apparently massive wealth, supplemented by that of her now-deceased beau. So the shopping and outfits are fun, but I hope peole are able to contextualize this as just entertainment and not typically achievable by someone of her station.
It has been compared to the fact that the guys in Friends are able to afford living in the heart of NYC with salaries that in real life wouldn't let then live even in a hut in Bronx. But they need to either advance the plot or put the setting
Candace Bushnell the real life Carrie and series author hit it big with the book then the series and movies. Prior to that she was a freelance writer. When she started out she chose designer clothing over apartment furniture but at the end she took care of her finances. While in the series Carrie seems to coast by to financial success.
@@benjaminroman916 lmao everyone knows that; it just isn’t a typical scenario for a freelance writer… especially one who writes about relationships. You’d have to get pretty meta and have Carrie’s column parleyed into a major TV series that spawns two films and a reboot
Growing up is realizing how trash carrie was as a human being - and 'm so glad it's not just me, seeing all these videos on RUclips and TikTok doing deep dives into the characters is so fun
Having just watched the entire series all the way through as an adult the same age as the characters (and what an existential crisis that was, let me say), Carrie drove me up a wall, especially in the early seasons. The screaming insecurity, the total lack of boundaries, the constant myopic self-centeredness...If I had a dollar for every time she got upset because she wasn't 100% the focus of a friend or lover, maybe I could afford a down payment on an apartment. Okay, probably not, because prices are ludicrous now, especially relative to the '90s. But I could probably swing a pair of designer shoes. I'm all for a messy, imperfect protagonist, but Carrie has no growth across the series. She ends it as the same immature, selfish person she started, just without the chain smoking habit, and that's what I find most frustrating.
As for Aiden...He's a good egg, and I see why people like him, but I think it should have been obvious that he was never end game. Precisely because Carrie is impervious to change. They were always on fundamentally different pages, and she was never going to adapt for him the way her friends did for their partners. I like it that Aiden drew a boundary and stuck to it. These are not two people who would be happy as a couple on a permanent basis.
Honestly, what would a guy like Aiden have seen in a girl like Carrie, in real life? They're so different - and, emotionally, she had nothing to give him
Carrie's behavior is word for word the same behavior that the "alpha men" with microphones are spouting these days. "Women love a man who cheats on them" "You have to be emotionally unavailable or women wont respect you"... Watching this show back as an adult the only positive thing I can say about it is that it's nice to see how much I've grown since I saw it last.
Toxicity atracts toxicity ig
i wish you’d make some videos on Girlfriends, specifically talking about Toni Childs and Joan’s toxic friendship
That would be dope
Yes!!!!!
Facts
That would be better from black women perspective
Yes!
Rebecca Bunch from Crazy Ex-Girlfriend seems to be the healthier Carrie Bradshaw in a lot of ways.
Like Carrie, she’s an obsessive romantic hypocritical neurotic, at times narcissistic, mess who’s bad with money, relationships, and friendships.
The difference is, she gets better and is almost always held accountable for her actions. She goes through therapy, she gets a diagnosis, and she learns to make better choices for herself and her friends.
Yes 100%. SatC walked so CXG could run. Plus it’s a musical! 😁
Don't do my girl Rebecca dirty like that, she's just a girl in love! 😤
Ok - but that last clip about getting married to herself and being registered at Manolo Blahnik… she had a good point! Her friend didn’t want to return Carrie’s shoes that were stolen when she had to take them off to enter their house and Carrie had been more than happy to spend money on her friend’s wedding, baby showers, etc.
Even Sarah Jessica Parker has said in lots of interviews that Carrie is soooo different from the real SJP. SJP is very grounded. She married her "Aidan" (Matthew Broderick) instead of trying to make it work with RDJ (who she was with while he was struggling with substance abuse). She had kids, still lives in the townhome they bought decades ago, has no house in Malibu or LA and doesn't seem to flaunt her wealth (and occasionally is seen taking the subway still).
PS: I am now 2 years older than Carrie was at 35 when she was struggling with her finances... woah.
Carrie is not based on SJP. It's based on the author Candace Bushnell who in real life had said she's more of a Samantha, didn't marry her Mr Big and never had friends like Charlotte or Carrie. Carrie is a washed out disfunctional mess character for the masses.
@@benjaminroman916 LOL of course I know this. I know of the book. I know of Candace Bushnell. I watched the show while it was on TV when it first aired. I'm that old. My point was that people tend to see SJP = Carrie which is so far from who she is in real life.
Such BS saying Aiden loved Carrie for Carrie.
He was trying to mold her into what he wanted.
She wasn’t the white Pickett fence girl. She didn’t want children.
They weren’t right for each other either.
Thank you! Aiden and Carrie's relationship was never healthy and both were at fault (not equally but still). They were just wrong for each other but people idolize Aiden for just being nice and available. That's just the bare minimum yall get a grip. She doesn't have to want a guy just because he wants her and that's probably part of the reason they had so many problems because she kept trying to convince herself of something she didn't feel.
Okay. So break up without being deceitful
Carrie was so materialistic as a 35+ year old women who could be around her weekly, acting like a 20 year old, she’s so behind all her friends in relationships & career
I was a teenager watching this and I couldn’t stand Carrie. She just seemed like an awful person and friend.
Same. I asked my sister, who used to watch the series as a teenager, how she could root for Carrie. And she told me she never rooted for her at the beginning!
SJP adds a sweetness and the costumes are fabulous! However, she needs a BetterHelp Sponsorship.
Carrie is just exhausting. I haven’t watched the new show, “Just Like That”. So I’m not aware of Carries current character/life changes/choices. After the 2nd SATC movie, I was out. I always loved Samatha Jones (Kim) x
British film critic Mark Kermode, when reviewing the 2nd SATC movie, went on a famous rant about it. You should check it out.
@@MrIrrationalSmith it’s a thing of beauty. I listen to it every so often to cheer myself up
Good for you , it’s worse than the movies
8:25 I love Miranda giving advice to Carrie especially the time she wanted to move to Paris.
Carrie was completely self-absorbed and insufferable. While she was fun to watch on the series, I would steer clear of her in real life.
I like all the characters from Sex and the City. They have flaws, they say thoughtless things. They're real. Nowadays, all protagonists are perfect, do everything right on the first try, and as a viewer, you're not shown 'this is wrong'" or "this is not how one should behave" or put into a situation where you question the protagonists decision. The problems and behaviors from back then still exist today.. it's just not being shown anymore.
Yup. I never understood the live for this character. Toxic, rude, entitled, etc.
I was 18 the first time I watched Sex and the City, and thought, "Omg, I'm such a Carrie!!!! ^_^" But I watched it again at 35, and realized, "Oh shit... I'm a Carrie..."
I quadrupled how often I go to therapy.
Same. At 35, I no longer want to be a Carrie.
I've maintained since I watched the original run, Carrie is fucking awful and the least interesting of the 4.
Both in the show and real life
@@georgia8592idk cynthia nixon is pretty insufferable
I hate Carrie, but the episode with Samantha performing oral sex on the delivery driver is not the smoking gun against Carrie folks try to make it seem. Carrie didn’t say anything about what Samantha did until after Samantha kept probing her about it because she (Samantha) was embarrassed that she got caught. And I know we’re always framing Samantha as sexual liberated (sure) but anybody would be shocked walking in on their friend at their place of work having sex with a stranger.
This! And when she walks in on Stanford, she admits to Carrie that she realizes how unpleasant that would have been for her.
These examples are almost all terrible, and I have a counter for them.
I like Sam, but don’t get me started on how dangerous it was for her to not get tested for HIV when she lived in NYC during the height of of the aids epidemic, and clearly she had a lot of gay friends
I wouldn't. Especially if I knew my friend would do it anywhere anytime with whoever she wants.
@@brontiq Because your friend has a propensity for having sex in appropriate places, you wouldn’t be shocked to see them engage in a sex act when you’re not expecting it? Ok.
Samantha became very caricaturesque in the last seasons and culminated in the movies where she showed an incredibly unprofessional behaviour in Abu Dhabi. Trying to be funny they took it too far
Carrie was busy capitalizing on Samantha's sexual exploits in her column. For her to come face to face with it and be judgmental, after all the times she cashes in on Samantha's lifestyle, a lifestyle she isn't bold enough to assume for herself, but feels at liberty to write about, requires some introspection on Carrie's part. If this was Charlotte or Miranda who walked in on Samantha, I'd agree give more leeway for being subsequently judgmental.
I'm glad the video recognized that Carrie's flaws were a big reason WHY we watched the show. If she had been too perfect (or even just less flawed) people would have thought she was boring. We don't go to movies and watch TV to see people NOT screw up. Each woman on the show had flaws, Carrie's were the most dominant because she was the lead. Videos like this are just a classic example of looking at a 20+ year-old show with present day eyes which is a bit unfair. We all look back on our own lives and cringe at certain things but that shows growth. Same with movies and TV. We look back at some earlier works and wonder how they could have been accepted or embraced but that just shows we and society have evolved past certain representations (which is good). The show was a comedy don't forget and it held up a mirror to dating in NYC in your 30s that resonated with a lot of women at that time. But... I was living in NYC in the late 90s/early 2000s and I can assure you this was NOT the conversation people were having about SATC and Carrie. It was a phenomenon (suddenly cosmopolitans and designer shoes were everywhere, everyone wanted to guest star on the show) and a lot of people loved it and loved Carrie (flaws and all), believe me. Times change.
Yup! Exactly right. Rewatching the show I can name a few friends who have been like Carrie. We all know the person who cheated, we all know the people with dramatic relationships etc
Yes thank you! Isn’t it fascinating how quickly humanity evolves
i never wanted to BE a carrie, but i needed to rewatch the series after growing up to realize what a BAAAAAAD friend, girlfriend and spouse she always was. just a horrible person. someone like carrie would never be able to be friends with people like samathan, charlotte and miranda. they would have kicked her to the curb after a year or two.
Funny thing is....Alexandr Petrovsky imo was a very good match. He was wealthy, artistic, interesting.....Carrie just needed so much personal attention and affection and he was literally too busy. I would have been thrilled to hang out quietly in Paris and given myself a bit more time to make new friends. Carrie could have grown a lot, had she given herself more time and become more emotionally independent.
The one time she did make friends tho, he manipulated her into making it about him and literally left her in the background when he got his chance at the limelight. He may have been a good match, but he was definitely a narcissistic bastard, too. He’s the type that the relationship needs to revolve around him and his needs, which his ex wife even confirmed in so many words.
AHT AHT AHT... you had me the entire way, nodding along, until you tried to say "Aidan loved Carrie for Carrie". No. Aidan loved the IDEA of Carrie he had in his mind. He wanted to change her into his perfect little tradwife. He wanted a homemaker and Carrie was not that kind of a person. And he couldn't even pick out a ring for her - he asked her friend instead of talking to her about it. Did Aidan deserve better? Yes. He deserved a woman who actually wanted to marry him. But everyone conveniently forgets that time he was upset with her and slapped her nicotine patch on her back - that was unnecessary aggression, and a big red flag. Carrie should be criticized but people so often forget Aidan displayed toxic behaviour. They were not good for one another.
none of them was a "girl's girl" by your definition. Samantha and Miranda judged Charlotte desire to get married, Charlote judged samantha for her sexuality more than once. All of them were flawed, Carrie's flaw are the most visible because she is the main character.
Samantha was 100% the best character on Sex and the City. She was the most likable, the funniest, the least judgemental, and she was a mood. I sure hope her back is still in good shape after carrying Sex and the City on it.
It was stale when it first happened. Now it’s covered in inch-thick mould and crawling with maggots.
@@J.Blackk Just get your vibe and move on mate; nobody's holding you hostage
@@punter1 Y’all think your SATC fans and you post this lame shit bunch of simps goof on you @punter1
@@punter1 Nahhhww. I love you too, buddy. 😘💕 Brothers in frustration forevah! ✊
@@J.Blackk It’s a SM thing and the masses all have hiveminds bruh
I dont think carrie was ever meant to be likeable, she was meant to be real. Big never made her feel safe and secure and she obsessed as a result. Its natural and happens to people all the time. Of course she bitched about Natasha - Big chose her over Carrie. Again, its natural. Was it right? Nope. Was it understandable- yes.
All this Carrie bashing is silly. Shes was never meant to be perfect because none of us are.
I love the ending of this - yes, Carrie is infuriating, but I think it's because in some ways aren't we all a little guilty of putting a guy first at some point or not making the right financial decision? And how frustrating would it be, even if you are super happy for a friend, to see them get a Park Avenue apartment in a divorce settlement and then tell you to straighten up your finances when they don't even work. She's kind of the worst in all of us and I have to respect her from that even if I don't like her very much. She's completely exhausting and self-centered but we're all fighting those tendencies, so I get it.
Carrie Bradshaw was a female anti-hero we couldn't help watching. I first was drawn to her character when I was younger, but then I turned into Miranda, and now I'm a Samantha. I feel good about that progress.
I am not always crazy about Big and don’t approve of many of his decisions. However, I feel he was honest with her about who he is and what he wanted from the beginning. Carrie wanted him to change, but he didn’t want the same things she did.
She needed to believe him right from the get go when he constantly explained about what he wanted.
In the movie, she knew he never wanted to get married again or was anxious about marriage based on his past, but she kind of forced it on him.
I don’t think it’s enough to merely say “yes, she has a lot of flaws… but that’s what makes her so relatable!”
There are some flaws that make a character relatable.
But there are also flaws that make a character unlikable.
Especially if they are not sufficiently balanced with redeeming qualities or tempered by a redemption arc.
Not every character needs those things; it’s fine for her to be an anti-heroine or even a villain. But not all flaws represent quirky endearments that entitle a character to our chagrin affection.
I don't understand the trending Carrie bashing. She was obviously flawed and that's what was entertaining! Loved to see her craziness, egocentric behaviour and flaws because we all have (some of) that inside our souls.
Finally someone that talks about this! I actually couldn't go through after the 2nd season because of this she does so many awful things and her attitude about everything is full of psychological issues, and that's not even the problem, she doesn't change, she doesn't even try or acknowledges her problems to be better, it's so hard to watch
Carrie is easily the worst character on that show
Fuck. I'm a Carrie.. I'm a damn Carrie.. 😭
Its ok I am too. haha At least we are aware. Thats gotta count for something on the growth scale. And I am in therapy. haha
I'm in the minority I guess, but it's so odd to me to see the current wave of 'Carrie was the worst' characterizations - she's a TV character and her flaws and messiness were what made her compelling to watch in that era. A "perfect" Carrie who dated all the right men, was always the most reliable friend and always spent wisely would have been pretty underwhelming to watch? I see it happening with other shows I grew up watching in real time as well (Girlfriends, A Different World, etc). Reconsideration is great - internalized misogyny and the pick-me mindset did so much damage - but also good screenwriting benefits from characters that aren't flat lol??
What are people saying about A Different World?
Samantha, Miranda and Charlotte also had their flaws, yet it seems that none of them were being terrible friends, or treating men badly.
@@MyAccountForCommentingTends to be about how Dwayne Wayne and Whitley’s big wedding scene (baby, baby please) was him being toxic by interrupting/breaking it up, etc.
@@hellobecky84Oh. 😂 Yeah, people are doing too much.
@@MyAccountForCommentingim saying loll 😭
The thing is male audience tends to glorify archetypes such as Tony Soprano and Walter White, despite their atrocious crimes; yet the female audience despises archetypes as Carrie Bradshaw or Alicia Florrick, for not ending with whom they wanted.
The difference is that males can see the "fictional" aspect of those characters...the "dark aspects" and such, and still celebrate their success as a husband and a man that dose none of those things. Yet women of certain eras and upbringing celebrate not only the "dark triad" these guys possess, but the "teenager with a bank account" life that Carrie portrays throughout the entire series that demeans females as a whole as chasing fashion and staus as the end goal, vs being independantly successful or part of a family unit. Ive served with strong women in the military for 8 years, pilots included, and none of them would catagorize being a wife or bearing children as a weakness.
As a guy, it was tough to watch. Didn't get Carrie's decisions at times. When she revealed how much she spent on shoes, I WAS TURNED OFF. Stopped watching the show.
Sam is the friend who will give it to you straight no chaser... it's very rare.
It's trendy now to hate on imperfect and toxic characters, especially when they repeatedly make the same mistakes or seem to get lucky too often. But I don't think it's as unrealistic as people say. Many people truly never learn. And it's not like Carrie didn't face consequences for her unwise decisions. She was literally left at the altar. Plus, her 'happy ending' (before the revival) might not even be that happy if you aren't a fan of Big. Yes, the messiness can be frustrating at times, but it also makes the show entertaining. I don't see anything wrong with that characterization, as long as you don't mistake her for a role model, and that's up to you.
I thought Miranda was kind of messed up for that. Carrie was trying to tell her she didn’t have time and Miranda just interrupted her and said THANKS. I’ve thrown my back out, I know how much it sucks. But I can’t expect my friends to drop everything in their lives to help me
I'm going to say something unpopular Aiden was not right for Carrie. Carrie was flawed and very human and made mistakes over and over again.
People really have given up thinking for themselves, huh?
I love the new profile picture of the channel! Well done!
Just comment about Charlotte and the ring/money: It wasn't that she didn't give her the money (and she ultimately did), it was the lack of the OFFER to help after S and M had said they would would help C out. And it's FUNNY (because it's a COMEDY) that Charlotte lectures C about standing on her own while she's standing in her ex's apartment and living off her alimony. I could go on, but it's ridiculous because it's a TV SHOW, and not real!! The beauty of fictional characters, is that they are just that, fictional!
I think part of the problem is that SATC simply didn’t age well. So much of it (excluding costume/wardrobe) feels so dated. I was a diehard fan of the show and watched the episodes multiple times during its original run and saw each of the movies. But years after the series ended I stoped watching old episodes. I totally lost interest & found them dated & unbearable to watch. I also had no tolerance for Carrie’s shenanigans.
I actually think it’s timeless for women who became adults from the 1980s and on, when this lifestyle became popular. According to the stats, almost half of women aged 25-45 will be in the position of these four women by 2030. The show will actually become more relatable than ever.
@@modernhumanity7 I don't think so. The circumstances may be familiar but the attitudes are not. The bi-phobia, the freaking out over anal, etc. Hell I became an adult in the mid 90s and I thought some of their attitudes then were already outdated. Honestly I think the Golden Girls has aged much better.
@@MR-hu3ht Those were a few isolated episodes out of the many that showed how hard it is to be a single woman in her mid to late 30s. Those main storylines very much hold true today. Also, many predict a counterculture swing away from the overdone leftist tropes. Most heterosexual people, man or woman, are turned off by bisexuality when it comes to a partner for marriage. Sex, and by association a**l, will also be given less freely once people feel the blowback from hookup culture, dating apps, and OF… that’s what I mean. I agree that it was a bit cringe to be as closed-minded as they were. But on the other hand, they are also voicing opinions that are almost taboo to say today due to the risk of being cancelled and thrown out of your job. These ideas are considered hating and phobia until you’re in the locker room with the biological man, until you find out the man you’re dating has had sex with men, etc. etc. Obviously by “you” I mean the viewer. You may not care if your partner is bi, but it matters to me. It may seem phobic and hateful, but it’s still a social issue that continues to be talked about today. Anyway, that’s my opinion and I like your response and still respect your opinion too.
@@MR-hu3htI had a marathon of SAC and the Golden Girls after each other 2 years ago circa, and I find that the second show is getting old soooo much better!
I think less of people who do not like Carrie 😊
You kicked ass 🤘
@@soundtrip1175 i know
@@punter1 why is everyone hating on Carrie
@@skymaxwell9351 they are just being comatose fecal brained
@@skymaxwell9351 It’s a not so new SM thing.
On the original airing, we all knew she was a flawed “every-woman” but it made her relatable. And we saw ourselves in her (and the others) to different extents.
It all came down to, "It's all about me!"
I still remember when I was younger and so many women hated Charlotte for not just giving Carrie the money for her apartment when I thing she had a point. Money and friends don’t mix, especially when it’s someone like Carrie who isn’t responsible and doesn’t think things through. Not only that, it’s not like she asked for a loan to pay her back. She just wanted the money handed to her.
Ok some points need to be made here:
1. Carrie is the main pov character so us the audience see her flaws in more focus than the other characters.
2. Yes, agreed Carrie is incredibly flawed! That's kinda the point. If she wasn't there wouldn't be anything for her to learn, any character arc to follow.
3. Carrie isn't made to be a role model. She and the other characters are representations of the types of people, circumstances, mistakes that people make. That is how the audience engages with the series. Love or hate it we've all known someone who has behaved in these ways.
4. Carrie does get punished time and time again for her mistakes. Her choices have consequences. She gets called out for her behaviour.
Does Carrie actually suffer consequences? Is she left homeless and having to squat with one of the girls and then have to rent a shitty apartment with multiple housemates? Is she forced to consider leaving NY because she cannot afford it? Does she ever have to declare bankruptcy and sell everything?
@rosabellavitaalvarez-calde5836 Oh you are right about all of that. However that's more a thing of the writing. A sort of plot armour if you will. The creators aren't going to want to design a brand new set for a new apartment, cast new regular appearance characters as her roommates and give them their own arcs in a series that already has a large cast of reaccuring actors.
Also watching the central pov character go through that would have altered the overall tone of the show which was at it's primary core an escapist comedy for it's target audience with some dramatic plot through lines running within which if you notice the majority of the time happen to the other 3 women so they are deliberately B plots in order to keep the tone mostly comedy.
My earlier point was that Carrie's faults are shown to be faults. It is made clear to the audience the behaviour is not to be praised, admired or emulated.
Lots of great points! I disagree that Carrie is not a girl's girl though. People do not perfectly support their friends 100% of the time.
The only Carrie i like and sympathize with is Carrie White.
I can relate to a bullied victim.
It didn’t sit right with me when she lashed out when Miranda voiced that she’s over the drama with Big, telling her that she’s allowing herself to be pulled back in and that she’s not keen on holding her hand through it when she knows how it goes. Then Carrie feels hurt and frustrated so she claims that Miranda threw Steve away when even Steve told Miranda that’s not how it went down at all and AFTER ALL OF THAT, Carries never really apologizes like Miranda did
If it's not Charlotte's JOB to take care of Carrie's finances, then it's also not Carrie's JOB to go running to Miranda because she hurt her back. 1. Carrie didn't refuse to go to Miranda's aid, SHE HAD TO MEET WITH HER EDITOR. 2. Carrie didn't KNOW Miranda was naked on the floor. And 3. Aiden had to pick Miranda's ssa up off the floor and CARRY HER to another room. What in the heck was Carrie supposed to do for her?? Carrie was tiny as hell, she couldn't pick her up and carry her 🤬
And I always wondered why Miranda didn't just call 911 for an ambulance.
Agree with you on the Miranda part, but in my opinion, it's still not comparable to what Carrie expected from Charlotte. Nobody should expect their friends to lend them 30 grand bc they themselves bought too many shoes (and I'm saying this as a thirtysth with money problems).
I've said it before and I'll say it again: honestly, Carrie saying she thinks therapy is BS is the biggest endorsement for therapy I've ever heard
The heroine to hate and avoid was Nurse Jackie, although Edie Falco was great in the part
I like that she has flaws. That’s what makes her human. 💁🏻♀️
In Carrie’s defense, why would Miranda call her in a medical emergency? Carrie is 5’0 ft tall and 90 pounds what do you expect her to do? Also Miranda is supposed to be the smart one why not call 911?
I get what you are saying and it is true. But I think she didn't want anyone to see her naked and felt comfortable around Carrie.
Maybe for Carrie to fix her non-clothes situation to then call 911? She didn't have to collect her from the floor, it could harm Miranda more. She was supposed to cover her up before anyone of profesional help could see her.
I was looking in the comments for this. I don't think Carrie would have been able to do anything for her. Miranda couldn't get up a little bit on her own. Also, she had an important meeting she had to get to, it's not as if she didn't have a good excuse. Not that I don't understand Miranda not wanting to be naked in front a man she didn't know that well, but still.
@@TheKukuryk She's going to end up in a no-clothes situation at the hospital anyway, that's the norm in a medical situation.
@@leapintothewild not the same thing.
she was not just a flawed character, she was selfish toward her friends,
everything was about me me me with her!
she was unlikeable as hell. I hated her.
9:55 - This is what is called the Hedonist Wheel. When the hedonist (Carrie) buys a new pair of stileto heels, she begins her ride up on the wheel, whicj will peak in a day or so and at the 12:00 position the wheel now turns again and now the happy feeling you received from the shoes begins to diminish and then evaporate. As the wheel returns to its start position, the hedonist again feels empty and must make another purchase.
After 10 years, Carrie was becoming the woman who lived in her shoes...
The way she treated Aiden is enough to understand her awful, self-centered and insufferable personality. Can’t believe we were supposed to root for her and think that everyone is just so in love with her. I’ve known couple of people like her, and they always end up alone with their regrets and endless apologies.
Remember when Miranda wanted to get an abortion and Carrie TOLD her boyfriend!! That's such a breach of trust. To make matters worse, said boyfriend was bf with the father! That was so wrong an pissed me off.
Well Aidan wanted to change her. He wanted to be with a girl who doesn’t smoke. So he started this relationship with a smoker… to do what? Change her, so she’s comfortable to be with? She didn’t like the cottage, but he made her to go there anyways. He’s cool, but not for her.
I would love to see The Take cover Girlfriends and other black classics as much as they do Sex and the City!
the "when Big colours, he rarely stays inside the lines" is from the first movie and she's talking about him being good in bed.
And incredibly cringe
@@CMStrawbridge every time it showed them making out or in bed it was so awkward. it wasnt sexy. Samamtha always made it look real at least lol
@@CMStrawbridge agreed. she did miss the point of the line though
@@LoversLane16 agreed. her n chris noth were close friends and i imagine it was hard for them to film that scene cos in the SATC you really rarely see them kiss. plus it'd been a long ahh time since the series ended
Carrie was and is a terrible friend
Carrie may actually be a pick me
I hate that Carrie says “I wouldn’t have taken the money” but then she does. However, a flawed character is more interesting than a perfect one.
I know what its like to be friends with a Carrie - I had one!
She was every bit the same. She demanded sooo much. Wanted to talk everyday - about herself.
Was very selfish and whiny and always wanted advice which she never took.
She relied too heavily on her friends without caring how much it was sucking the life out of us.
It was EXHAUSTING. When we eventually stopped talking I didn't miss her at all.
Several years went past and she finally reached out again. I thought give her one more chance, maybe now shes older she will be better to tolerate. She was WORSE.
I've blocked her now. Never again. My sanity is too important.
So many people are missing the point of the video. Carrie is flawed but that's what makes her interesting to watch. You don't have to look up to her or like her as a friend (does anyone want to befriend the characters from Breaking Bad or The Sopranos or Mad Men?) in fact most lovers of the show were Samantha stans more than Carrie. But she was an entertaining mess. True the show was outdated and there were times when she should have faced harsher consequences for her actions but that was life back then. You can admit those things without hating on the character that brought you so much entertainment.
When i first watched the show i loved Carrie and found her so relateable. I was a teenager who had just gotten her first "serious" boyfriend lol. Watching it again at the age Carrie was, i hate her, and i realize that Charlotte was actually less uptight than she got credit for.
Facts spoken like always Melanie! The times I look back at when I’ve put myself through stress and gave up my money to travel to see a man just makes me wince! Live and learn is right bc babyyyy never again!
i think calling Carrie not a girl's girl is a bit extreme. these examples happen but I don't think all these things that she did should define her. She overall did care about her friends and overall was there for them. charlotte also had moments of judging Samantha. they all had moments of judging each other. doesn't mean they weren't good friends to each other.
Carrie and Aiden had nothing in common, I am surprised their relationship lasted so long.
Don't y'all have enough SATC discourse? What about Girlfriends, Living Single, The Bold Type??
lol I doubt they have seen those shows....(I loved Living Single and The Bold Type btw
@@AmySharzer This is like their third video about Carrie bad. Hell, even show us how Carrie had positives.
The way Carrie treated Aiden broke my heart as a teenager 😂
,, And I was lucky enough to find 3 of them”…and then SATC AJLT came along! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The character was meant to be an anti-hero. I like that, it is refreshing to watch a character on tv who is not perfect and full of flaws - like normal human being. Also Carrie was the best of friend for the other three as far as I can see i.e. the three of them went to her for friend time, not so much with each other. The other three probably did not stay in this foursome friendship without her. With all her flaws, the three saw something kind in her. They were many moments in the series how Carrie at sided and supported her friends against others.
It is up to a friend if they want to loan you money or not. Making your friend feel guilty for not offering you $30,000 is pretty damn narcissistic.
I honestly don't think she was wrong about everything. I think this video is unfair. Carrie was the one that took care of Samantha when she was sick (with the flu), the one that was with Miranda during her mother's funeral, the one that went to Charlotte when she lost her baby (and the one to know first about Trey's problem). Also, I think that Aidan was an asshole during their relationship. He was always trying to get Carrie to become something that she was not. Specially with that damn cabin in the woods, he knows she was miserable there and still made her go. He pressured her to get married, and I'm pretty sure he would pressure her for a baby - that, in the end, she didn't want.
I think she made many mistakes, and that's why we like to watch her and the show is the success that it was and still is. She's certainly not perfect. It's trendy to diss her, but I think it's unfair and that people go too far to do so. Honestly.
I am glad that this channel has made a video about all the main characters, pointing out everything that is good and bad about them. Carrie remains the most unlikeable one because that was the whole point. I agree, she was (often) a good friend too. Re Aidan, I think he was a good guy but just not for Carrie. I also found him forcing her to marry after they had a talk about postponing it was manipulative. If you watch, And Just Like That, I feel like he is doing the same thing again....making her wait over something that is not gauranted.
Definitely agree. I’ve started rewatching the show and while Carrie is very flawed, the other women are too! They all have selfish and bad moments. People talk trash about Carrie because it is a trend and makes them feel better about themselves. When in reality, Sam and Miranda were very selfish too. They’re just not as sensitive and vulnerable as Carrie, so people don’t gang up on them.